By The Right Scoop


Consider this your open thread for Thursday night:

Mankind has transformed itself from an agrarian culture to an industrial culture over centuries. Now, the United States is changing in a matter of decades from an industrial society to a post-industrial one. What will our economy look like in the new year and the decades that follow, and how will this impact government? Find out as Bill Whittle tells you about the things to come.

Since it’s an open thread, I’ll also mention that Jake Tapper moved today from ABC News to CNN for an anchor job on a new weekday program and chief Washington correspondent. Looks like CNN is finally trying to get some real talent.

Also, I saw Major Garrett who used to be on Fox News working the White House for CBS News. I think he’s been there for around 2 weeks.

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  • Sober_Thinking

    As long as we maintain the principles outlined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights… I’m fine with a little adapting. What Bill described sounded like government and unions needed to be smaller and less intrusive. I’m all for that.

    • white531

      I agree.

      • http://twitter.com/KathleenRBollin Kathleen R. Bollinge

        The tease was that a judge has agreed to review his case based on human rights violations against him. http://www.GoogleProject2013GetNow.qr.net/jOUs/Wonderful4=CE0Q904gtMI

        • colliemum

          This post is a scam. Don’t click on the link.

          • aposematic

            My default is anything that includes Google is a SCAM until proven otherwise!

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            Sorry mum. this one got by me lol. I had a few of them again last night.

            • colliemum

              Don’t worry – the eagle-eyed scoopers will notice them anyway!

              They’re all over Breitbart, and are easily recognised: an av with ever-so-tastefully displayed tits, a sort-of relevant sentence and a totally irrelevant link.
              They’re getting better at placing these scams, usually where disqus doesn’t allow a reply, and they’re less blatant about the links.
              Still, the av and the weird names are a dead give-away.
              I love flagging them!

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                lol. Go get’em mum! :-D

  • demographicallychallenged

    The Obamanation has a new document to guide the country. It will be called The Declaration of Dependence. Just stand in line and be processed.

    • warpmine

      It will be self titled “My Declaration”.

  • Earthforce1

    I don’t blame Jake for jumping ship after ABC passed him up for hosting This Week on a permanent basis.

    • white531

      I don’t care what Journalists do. They are nothing more to me, than spit on the sidewalk.

      • badbadlibs

        Hear, hear. Snake oil salesmen get a bad rap, the worst one on earth is a million times a better person compared to today’s journalists.

      • PatrickHenrysBody

        No offense to spit on the sidewalk.

    • trouble06

      Maybe Obama gave ABC marching orders to get rid of Jake when he broke ranks and challenged Obama during the press conference. In Jake’s infamous question to Obama “where have you been on gun violence?”

      • PatrickHenrysBody

        So where’s Jake gonna go to now? Fox News? I don’t know if that would be the wisest of career moves if he did go to FN.

        • Orangeone

          He’s going to CNN. Can you get any lower?

          • PatrickHenrysBody

            Great. They’ll have him on a short leash.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDAKYMXLZIRLMLGEZJXV3AOO7E Vorlath

    How much do things have to fall apart for the government to actually get smaller. Governments don’t get smaller. They get annihilated and rebuilt. Usually with disastrous consequences. After that’s done, sure, things can begin to advance again. But that transition is always a dangerous place to be.

    • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

      I’m hoping we can be the first example where the annihilation can be avoided.

      Maybe a soft revolution. Maybe the Republicans will go the way of Whigs and we put West in the White House and fix the mess.

      • http://www.facebook.com/kingofthehokies Jim Land

        I’m with you on the Republicans. They have fooled me way too many times, and I am voting for the libertarian in the future. At least until Republicans convince me that they are serious.

      • Orangeone

        Could we put West in the West Wing tomorrow K-Bob? And can Pirro or Gowdy or Scott join him as VP? Or maybe Scoop as VP?????

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Interesting point.

  • MaxineCA

    I’m so glad there’s a timely open thread. Heads up regarding Jon Hammar, there will be a news report from Mexico City coming up shortly on Greta’s show. The tease was that a judge has agreed to review his case based on human rights violations against him. Tune in as it might be good news. If you can’t, the show will replay in another couple of hours.

    Dana Perino is filling in for Greta tonight.

  • badbadlibs

    Here’s something to warm your heart thru and thru, I can’t think about it without choking up.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57560221/ex-marine-dad-stands-guard-at-school-after-newtown/

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      I love it. I’ve seen a few of these badbad. A few around the country. Mostly Marines, but also a dad who’s a cop did it at his daughter’s school and even had lunch with the kids. This is what is needed and these guys are awesome!!

      • badbadlibs

        Thanks for telling me about the others, American, I wasn’t aware. It’s heart warming to hear.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          It really is. I’ve been seeing some on twitter and facebook. Wouldn’t it be so cool if more start doing it? I mean just like these, volunteering? They are awesome! Thanks badbad!

    • Orangeone

      It is so awesome and is all over Twitter as well. Many retired military want to do the same…..

      • badbadlibs

        You see, problem solved. But, all bo and his thugs want to do is take away rights from Americans.

        • Orangeone

          Barky Boy has underestimated Americans, and most importantly our retired Veterans!

  • 911Infidel

    The Mahdi-ists in Tehran are planning terrorist strikes in Europe in 2013. Reza Khalili has the details:

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/forget-dec-21-watch-out-for-111-211-311/

    • PatrickHenrysBody

      The spineless Euros will bend over an take it, if the attacks do occur. They are well on their way to annexation by the Islamifascists anyway.

      • 911Infidel

        Hard to say. They might dismiss it as some sort of ‘workplace violence’ or something. Or they might triple down on sanctions and find ways to aid the Iranian opposition. Or quietly hook up with the Israelis.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      And Kuwait passes anti blaspheme law which calls for death penalty:http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kuwait-passes-law-to-execute-those-who-slander-islam-and-the-prophet/

      • 911Infidel

        Oh yeah, I keep up with the goings on in the land of the death cult. I prefer Muslim sources. Apostate Muslim sources that is…MEMRI is really good. Jihadwatch, Shoebat…etc. I dismissed Beck long ago.

    • Orangeone
      • PatrickHenrysBody

        It would be his wet dream to get a similar law or EO effected in this country.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Oy! Mind bleach!!

      • 911Infidel

        I caught that story on Shoebat and Jihadwatch. Glazov and Stecklebeck were also talking about it. Barkey-Boy could care less. He’s thrown his hat into the ring with the Sunnis. He’s about as useless as teets on a bull.

  • marketcomp

    Yeap, “FORWARD” to the past, Thomas Sowell.

  • PatrickHenrysBody

    And this is what is considered “progressivism”.

  • williamm

    Dr. Phil and Robin Read a Very Special Poem

    Poem about the Sandy Hook children.

  • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

    Bill has brought up a good thing to focus on for the next few years. Oddly enough [considering the timing], I just saw Glenn Beck’s hour-long interview with Penn Gillette, and Penn was pointing out something similar: technology is going to make it harder for the government to ride herd on the populace, not easier.

    This crystallized a few things I’ve been thinking about as well. Bill points out that the information age began around fifty years ago or so. I’d move it back a few years to when Sputnik was launched, at least. Why? Because Arthur C. Clarke, famous science fiction author and former member of the British RAF, had predicted the use of satellites as a means of relaying television and microwave signals in a way to[that would] cover the planet. He did this in 1945.

    Importantly, he stayed positive about the chances of mankind, and predicted years ago (sorry, I can’t find a cite) that satellites would help man take a great leap toward peace, since they make it much harder for governments to hide movements of armies, rocket launchers, and other aspects of major warfare. He’s gone now, but there are other things to be positive about, as Bill Whittle points out.

    Computers are really cheap now. And very small. This means governments really can’t stop you from having a computer (unless they want to conduct round the clock cavity searches, and hey, that costs a lot of money).

    Governments have always had big, scary agencies like the CIA and supposedly even more secret agencies (NSA, and ???), all with the power to spy on our enemies, and coincidentally, us. But thanks to the latest technology, this means we now have the ability to play, too. Who’s watching the watchers now? Us. Sure, a lot of the gear you can buy now is nowhere near as sophisticated as the stuff the big boys have, and seems more for spying on your family members or workers. But you can buy secure phone equipment, and you can transfer data securely over open networks, thanks to modern encryption techniques. It takes some money to do this stuff, but security is now big business.

    This means it’s not the sole province of governments anymore. Not even the real harda$$ countries like Russia and China.

    Also, the recent “3D printed gun” stuff on the web shows that, even if it’s only good for a few shots, people everywhere are going to be able to access some form of defensive weapons, no matter what governments do to try and stop it.

    Is this anarchy? No. It’s just reality. And that reality is moving faster and faster on many fronts, so that it’s no longer possible to be like I used to be—an alpha geek that knew everything about computers, period. [ (OK, maybe that's a slight exaggeration.) ] Nobody can do that anymore. There’s stuff going on in Japan that we barely know about. Stuff going on in Israel that we won’t know about until later. Stuff in development in China (for hacking the net) that could make life difficult for us for a while.

    It’s still best to prepare for hard times. That will always be true, even when the Dems become the ugly Eloi (People like the #Occupy movement parasites) being sustained by the beautiful Morlocks (Conservatives is good lookin’ people) who actually work for a living. But: stay positive for the future of mankind. The socialists cannot win the long game, because they spent all of the world’s money just arriving. Their departure will be nasty, uncomfortable, and quick.

    Stay productive, pursue prosperity, and keep the faith, baby. Let’s stick it to the man!

    (EDITS as shown. Sorry.)

    • PatrickHenrysBody

      Your commentary, sir was most appreciated.

    • Orangeone

      Well said K-Bob! Because of forums like Scoop and this fantastic community, we are all more informed, better prepared and most of all, not alone in the battle to reclaim OUR America.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Cheering over here K-Bob! Thanks! I needed that!!

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
    George Mason

    “The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    “The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending against all hazards: And it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.”
    Samuel Adams

    “Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”
    Patrick Henry

    “God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. And what country can preserve its liberties, if it’s rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    I don’t want it, but Is it time? Seems like the government’s doing it’s best to bring it.
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/a-what-if-gun-seizure-scenario/

    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/gov-dossiers-on-us-citizens/

    • PatrickHenrysBody

      They were visionaries. They knew all too well that the government of this country could become exactly like the government of whose clutches they and others fought to escape. So sad that what they warned against is happening so soon.

      • badbadlibs

        And to think of the men and women who gave everything so we could be free only to turn those freedoms over to the likes of bo , holder, Clintons, reid, Pelosi, etc.. What a crying shame.

        • PatrickHenrysBody

          Heartbreaking. My grandfather is a vet and in looking at the present state of affairs, he can’t believe this is the country he fought for.

          • badbadlibs

            Thank him on my behalf and the behalf of my family. My heart breaks for him.
            My grandmother had 7 stars in her window during WWII. She was prepared to see every son sacrificed for this country. You see, my grandfather had the wisdom to immigrate here from Russia just before the revolution. They understood freedom.

            • PatrickHenrysBody

              Thank you, badbadlibs and thanks to your father and uncles for their service. I will tell him when I speak to him tomorrow. That must have taken a lot out of your grandmother to know she could lose them all. But people were willing to do that back then. A few who were classified as 4-F committed suicide because they wanted so badly to serve. If any of your uncles were KIA, his/their sacrifice was not in vain, even in view of the shape our government and country is in today. I take it your father survived, which means it made if possible for you to be brought into the world. I feel the same way about my grandfather and am of course very thankful he survived.

              • badbadlibs

                Oh, I’m so glad you will convey my gratitude!
                God was/is good to us, every single son came home safe! My father came home with the Bronze Star with V.
                Truly they were/are the greatest generation.
                Merry Christmas to you and yours!

                • PatrickHenrysBody

                  Yes, I spoke to him today to thank him for the Christmas gift he sent. He is happy there are still those who appreciate the sacrifice of others. He told me to let those who expressed their gratitude know that he appreciates your expressions and that the ones we should be really grateful for are the ones who didn’t get to come back because they paid the ultimate price for our freedoms. I just about lost it on the phone right there with him when he said that. I’m glad to hear that your father and uncles came back safe and sound and that’s fantastic about your father and the medal he received. Merry Christmas to you and your family as well!

                • badbadlibs

                  I can’t tell you how meaningful this exchange we’ve had has been to me.
                  Your grandfather is so right, we owe much to those men and women who died on our behalf. :(
                  I think of them often. Such bravery, such courage.
                  Take care, my friend.

                • PatrickHenrysBody

                  Thank you! You too!

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              I love you badbadlibs.

              • badbadlibs

                I love you too, American!
                That made my day, btw!
                Merry Christmas to you and yours! :)

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  You sure are a blessing badbad. God Bless you my dear friend and have a wonderful Christmas! xoxoxo :-D

                • badbadlibs

                  Now you went and made my day twice! :)
                  Here’s a great big cyber hug, my sweet friend! (((((((())))))))
                  You are just the best!

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  You helped mine too badbad! ((((())))s back! :-D

                • badbadlibs

                  :-)

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            Please thank your grandfather for me too P. I will do whatever I can to regain the freedoms for those who are fighting elsewhere and for those who fought to give it to us. We can NOT let it go for their sakes. Must not.

            • PatrickHenrysBody

              Thank you, AmericanborninCanada. I will relay your thanks. We must never forget what they did, as many in this country would like us to do.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        Visionaries and prophets. I love them!

  • Orangeone

    Watching my favorite Beau Davidson video “Blessed” and praying every member of our military comes home safely to their families and that all veterans realize how respected and honored they are.

    • PatrickHenrysBody

      Brings tears to my eyes. I was speaking to a disabled Vietnam vet today and I thanked him for his service. I had to hold the tears back while I was talking to him. He as well as other combat veterans truly despise Zero and those like him.

      • Orangeone

        Bless you.

    • badbadlibs

      Thank you so much for posting that link. It was the first time I had seen it…it’s just awesome!

      • Orangeone

        Please share with all you know. This song and video sums up the love we have for our Veterans!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Amen Sister. I pray they come home soon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/paul.christian.942 librtifirst

    I am sorry to say it, but Whittle disappointed me on this one. I suppose that if you think that our national trajectory for the last 100 years was just a natural occurrence, then so be it. The problem is that it was not naturally occurring.

    Does anyone actually believe that republicans and democrats ratified treaties that would shut down our industrial base because they actually thought that it would be good for our economy and future prosperity? I knew that it wasn’t for that purpose when they signed them. I knew the consequences of it in the early nineties.

    Who actually believes that the consequences to a free society were not known when they created the Fed Res and passed the income tax in 1913? Check out the history, and the warnings from the founding fathers. There has been a struggle with the British banking powers since the inception of this country to have a central bank, and it was known what they would do to us then.

    We cannot, and have not left the industrial age behind. We have just moved it overseas. You cannot have an information age without industry. How is it that information is transmitted and propagated? You need things like fiber optic cable, massive servers, etc. etc…. Industry creates those things. Without industry, there is no information age.

    Government did not “need” to create the system that we have now. That is a false statement by Whittle as he gave excuse to Obama as the inheritor of all of this. Anyone who doesn’t understand how much livable land has been tied up and made unusable by “the people” due to government ownership and control needs to look into how much land is not occupied in this country. Why is it that people cannot still homestead these lands? Government central planning is designed to limit liberty and force everyone on the government books. This is not a natural occurrence, but a planned one.

    Our prosperity is disappearing because of the same tactics that governments and rulers have been using for thousands of years. This is just a modern repeat of history, so in that respect, this is a natural occurrence, but don’t try to tell me that it was a necessary one, as Bill seems to be saying.

    Socialism is a disease that destroys liberty and prosperity. Socialism was not “needed”, as Bill seems to be saying, to govern an industrial society. Free markets without government growth and intervention with regulation and taxation would have produced much more real wealth while retaining our liberties. Technology would have prospered far beyond what it has, because government controls the patents, and has suppressed technology and medical advances.

    This centralized governance was a plot that was proliferated by those in power who wanted more power, and to steal the wealth of the citizens of this country. It was not “necessary”.

    • mark1955

      Agree 100%! This has been goin on by design since at least 1913,with the purpose of undermining us from the inside,so the Bankster oligarch’s, Rockefeller/Rotschild among others,can have their dreamed of, “New World Order,One World Government” marxist/islamist fabian socialist slave state. And the key to that is destroying the United States of America,because if we are a Free, prospering Republic,we put a hold on most of the Bad guy’s from achieving their goals.

      Also as you say “This was no accident”. Just take a look at recent History. since Obama was first elected. Every single one of Obama’s ( The Banksters ) objectives could have been stopped but a republican alway’s seems to step forward to bail him out at the last second when instead they could have chosen to stop Obama: Olympia Snowe ( Obamacare ), Scott Brown ( Dodd/Frank ), Tom Coburn ( Food Safety and Modernization Act ).

      Then we have the case of not just one or two repubs bailing Obama out,but many repubs bailing him out as in the: Start 2 Treaty,The NDAA,renewal of the Patriot Act,Drones over the Entire USA among other votes. All of these were Liberty crushing Freedom destroying pieces of legislation yet somehow Obama got the Votes. Not one single time have the repus stepped forward on the side of saving Liberty but have alway’s stepped backward as a party to helping Obama destoy our Liberty. That’s no accident and it’s not due to stupidity or fecklessness or cowardice…But instead Treasonous Complicity!

      You have to destroy the United States of America if you are going to realize your goal of a “New World Order,One World Government” marxist/Islamist,fabian socialist slave state,because if we are around as a prosperous Liberty loving Republic,we can stop most of the world’s bad guy’s from taking over. In order to destroy us you have to do it from the inside. That’s why in light of the repubs actions since at the very least President Reagan left office, i believe most of the repubs in the legislature,especially the ones we view as most Conservative,have been alway’s rabid socialist,who have been selected to run as pretend conservatives,to lie in wait and to vote against Liberty at key times,while in the past voting mostly conservative on harmless issues to build up some fake conservative street cred as a mask. Nothing else explains this. Not Greed or avarice or Blackmail. Even with all that,some repub would have stepped in and stopped this.

      This didn’t just Happen. This is being done according to some very old blueprint to get us to this point.

    • WordsFailMe

      I think Bill was reaching for a positive message this time, some way to say that there’s hope, there’s always a calm to follow every storm.

      I liked the observation about the “hands off,” weak government control which was the “reflection” of how people thought in the agrarian era. And how the progressive/communist thought — rights of workers, concern for the environment, building codes, distrust of the rich industrialists, etc., reflected popular thought during the industrialization era. Probably all of that was necessary.

      I think Bill’s main point was that history rolls along in phases and nothing is quite a sure as change. As the value of Unions has diminished in a world where every worker can bargain with an employer for wages and benefits and every employer is looking only for the best person, the most qualified and the one who will produce more than he costs, unions have no place.

      Today’s “unions,” are not “Trade Unions. They succeed where there are unskilled, workers, people who are trained by the factories to work in the factories, where they work develop skills which are virtually worthless on the open market and, as you point out, these factory jobs are, by an large headed out of this country.

      I think Bill is saying that these top down, top heavy governments, like the one we have allowed to develop, will crush themselves under their own weight. Look at the Postal Service, and agency I generally admire–800,000 people doing work that no longer has any real demand, work better done by commercial shipping and delivery, an agency unable to trim back to its core competency because it is hamstrung by unions and an entitled, aristocracy of bureaucrats. If the USPS had been privatized 20 years ago, it would employ about 100,000, highly skilled logistics and processing specialists and be showing a profit each year. Every single USPS letter carrier would be an independent contractor or a member of the military.

      I don’t know what comes next. I am just barely hanging on to the trailing edge of the information age, but I suspect that those who are successful in this new era will be pretty self sufficient and those traditional values (See ABC’s list of founder quotes below) will be reborn in the coming generation. The socialists, the Republicans, the tyrants, the megalomaniacs, the racists, the communists, and the misogynists will fade into history or, like traditional manufacturing, will migrate to places like Mexico, Russia and Nigeria where the romantic age of man against the machine continues.

      Good riddance..

      • http://www.facebook.com/paul.christian.942 librtifirst

        I may have misread his overall message, but some of his statements didn’t sit well with me. I agree with what you are saying in general, but I don’t see how the US will come out of this thing looking good in any way. We have no real wealth to sustain us any longer. I tend to see totalitarianism as being a long term probability if the social systems fail. Under such a rule, technology would be reserved for the elites of society. It will still be used for manufacturing and communications, even space flight, but it won’t be for the average person to have freely in their daily life. I personally see a global regime of governing bodies shutting down the previous industrialized world and transferring the production to the third world for slave labor. As they take the basis of economic prosperity out of the developed world, the people are being subjected to loss of liberty and property, and will eventually be thinned out and made usefull rather than free. Those who are not useful will die off due to hunger, disease, etc., and those left over will be the new slave labor force.

        It will take a lot of turmoil, war, terrorism, etc. to thin down the populations of the now developed nations, but those running the show won’t be subject to it. They will rule from a far away place. We may still have political puppets to keep us in line, or fooled about being free for as long as possible, but ultimately their intent is to reduce consumption of what they consider to be “their” global resources. They don’t want us using their metals, oil, etc any longer. They know that these things are finite, and have no interest in allowing the populations to deplete them.

        Technologies have been supressed for a long time. Some of these technoligies could have transformed the world into energy independent nation states almost overnight. Energy independence is freedom, and that is not their goal.

        The people of the world will either fight them for control of their lives and resources, or lose it all, in my opinion.

        • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

          I gotta go with Words on the “trying to be positive” thing. I think Whittle knows about the points you made, but didn’t want to introduce that stuff in his Silver Lining commentary.

          You are correct about all of those things, and I’m afraid we’re already in a Post-American period. I just agree with Whittle in that we do have the means to fight back against this crap. We aren’t ever again going to have liberty from sea to sea. (Look at what those fools in New York are planning to do at the behest of Cuomo. Which makes Michigan Gov. Snyder’s veto of the “no gun-free zones” bill even more tragic, by comparison.) And that’s sad, but hey, we have to get over it. If some people want to be France, but with bad food, then let ‘em. But if Barack tries to infringe our Second Amendment via Executive Order, then several states ought to put out a warrant for his arrest.

          • http://www.facebook.com/paul.christian.942 librtifirst

            I think that your are correct, on all points. Whittle wasn’t off the mark by saying that what we have was a natural progression concerning the nature of mankind. I don’t see a clear path to liberty without the whole system of man being destroyed. Since I believe in end times prophesy, I also believe that this will happen. Otherwise, we probably would be looking at a long term tyranny, or a natural destruction of the earth through nukes and genetically modified organisms getting out of control. Those are the man made threats to the earth, not carbon dioxide.

            I hope that those states you talked about will make their stand. I also wish that I was in one of them as things get worse. It appears that the gun freedom Oregon has enjoyed is going to be threatened on a state level as well as whatever the feds do.

            Government is going to create a whole new group of law breakers if they pass bans and restrictions. I don’t see many people turning in the kinds of guns they will go after. They may hide them, but they certainly won’t go away, as government wants. The consequences of this will probably be much greater than any threat the guns ever posed. When government creates criminals via new laws, the mindset of many will become more and more criminals, which will lead to more crime. You can’t choke a population without consequence, and the consequences are not always obvious.

            • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

              Well wrote! Those last two lines, especially.

  • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    More of a de-centralized government? Sounds like you want to give more power back to the states and less to the Federal Government. Good luck with that idea. If the last election told us anything, it was that the majority of Americans LIKE a big, socialized, Federal government giving out lots of goodies to people. And the states know this. Why do you think states like California, which is essentially bankrupt, isn’t in a state of panic right now? Because they know that, in the end, they will be considered “too big to fail” and will be bailed out by the Federal government. We will have a collection of mini-Greeces right here in America, with states like California, New York, and Illinois (to name a few) that are about to go bust. So do we let them go bust, or do we bail them out, like GM? With socialists like Obama in power, of course we will end up bailing them out. Federalism used to work, but with the states giving up more and more power to Washington just so that they can receive more Federal money, you are simply going to get one all-powerful central government that keeps on growing and getting more and more expensive to operate. And since we can’t really afford that, then we WILL end up like Greece and Spain by 2016.

    • mark1955

      To me the last election was about Voter Fraud. I’m not buying that most of the Country wants a Handout. The establishment of both parties wants us to believe that,so they can have a built in reason to take this Country left. The numbers in the election don’t even begin to add up or make sense mathematically. I believe we are still in the majority. It’s like Obama’s speech the other day about Firearms legislation. He sais several times paraphrasing,” Most Americans want it”. Then you see “What Americans really Want” ,as they are emptying out the shelves of Firearms stores. That’s real impiracle hard evidence that we are still in the Majority.

  • BeyondPolls

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  • Judefour

    “changed humans from being hunters and gatherers…”. False Mr Whittle. The first people on earth were Adam and his family. Adam was a gardener, and Cain & Abel were occupied with ‘husbandry’ as their general vocation. Much of the knowledge from these critical fields has been lost, and in many ways today, much sought after. Though we have technical ways of looking at organisms and experimenting with their DNA, only a small percentage of the populace knows the field of husbandry like the ancients. Anyone that suggests that early mankind wasn’t as intelligent as men today, is simply wrong, and their standard of measurement is flawed.

  • Judefour

    No “asteroid” ended the existence of the early reptiles, the Flood of Noahs time did. People are so proud of ‘man centered’ wisdom, but as can be expected, they are “Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” Like silly women led away with divers lusts, they are easily taken captive.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    The Information Age is why Obama got elected, twice. The GOP needs to move into the Information Age or they will become irrelevant. Better yet, let them become irrelevant. I still believe that most of the USA is conservative. The key is to bring this conservative horizontal diaspora into the Information Age’s “New Media”, facebook-blogs(therightscoop)-twitter-, etc. Dominate the “New Media” and the MSM becomes a dinosaur!

  • wraith67

    Bill is a little bit of an optimist. Human nature is what it is, and empires get debauched and collapse.

  • lonhosford

    Brilliant. This short video provides a super foundation for not only how national government should be perceived but also your personal career choices and your business aspirations if any of you have any left.

    Absolute the need for large Government workforce is archaic. Information age as replacements. A prime example is the Postal Service which is a carcass right now on life support. Centralized staffs to redistribute money for education on a national basis is a simple math formula that any software program could do and thus the Congress could right the laws to suite such system or better do away with it because in the bottom line the information age is rapidly changing even the access to education. Other than the actual remnant of physical presence for paper document, it is over. Top that with the move to work from home information workers and distributed work schedules, you see the erosion of even the need for the centralized cities.

  • 12grace

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