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Wow. Just wow. Allen West, speaking before the Americans against Hate Pro-Israel Conference gave an amazing speech where he talked about the Islamist threat that both we and Israel face, and said that the time has come when we need to wake up to this threat and stand with Israel.

We can sit around and we can talk about all the things with our economic situation. And we can fix our economic situation – we can get Americans back to work. That’s not an issue. But even once we recreate economic prosperity in this country – all the great technological advancements, all the biotech advancements, all the beauty that you see in Israel – if you can’t have safety, if you can’t identify your enemy, if you can’t stand up to that threat then it’s all for naught. If you’re held hostage within your own boundaries, it’s all for naught. …I tell you one simple thing. It’s my duty to stand up and defend Israel.

This is definitely a must listen. Maybe even a couple of times.

Awesome!

Note: There’s another version of this floating around on YouTube, but it’s not the whole speech like this one.

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  • Shane2813

    Thank GOD for Allen West.

    • http://twitter.com/ltlblugrl Nancy

      I thought this guy was representing Floridians, not Zionists. What are we so proud of?

      • Theragdoll1

        Right. Because it always boils down to some Zionists conspiracy on part of some. Give me a break. If America does not stand besides those who carry the banner of democracy and evolved human rights into the future, then do not surprised when that naive isolation mentality produces more long term enemies of it (aka us).

        • Theragdoll1

          Let me be the first to call out my grammar errors in my last reply, by the way. But point still stands. Israel is a friend of freedom and human rights, therefore, more of a close friend of America’s than the vast majority of Islamic countries in the Middle East. In this increasingly interconnected global world, to try to hide under a rock and become isolationist in nature is not only unwise, but will eventually usher in more of that which spits in the face of freedom and human rights. If one refuses to get in the ideological game and form/stand with sound allies as much as possible in the process, then others who may not be as noble in nature in regards to thier governments, views on human rights, etc. who actually are in the game will.

      • Comandomac19

        HE REPRESENTS FREEDOM. SO DOES ISRAEL. SO SHOULD WE, IF WE WANT TO SURVIVE.
        MAC

      • Harry O

        It is obvious your not informed of the role Israel plays in the world. The scripture is clear for those who bless Israel will also be blessed. American is a Christian nation founded on Judeo Christian values and I believe when American politics finds men and women like Rep King, we will again become a blessed nation. So Nancy my advice to you is study the bible and study the importance of a strong tie to Israel

  • Anonymous

    I thought as a Congress-critter it was his duty to stand up for his district and maybe the “nation.”

    Silly me.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      I guess you know that standing up for Israel is standing up for America since we both are on the same side. Granted their problems with Islam are more difficult given who they are and their geography, but we are in the fight together.

      • Anonymous

        Standing up for the Israel which has spied on the U.S. and admittedly killed several U.S. citizens is standing up for America, is it? It is hardly inconceivable that standing up for Israel could hurt the people in this region known as the United States.

        They are allies of circumstance, the US and Israel are not attached at the hip and they are not extensions of each other, if it is ever in Israel’s interest to disavow it’s relationship with the US it smartly would. It would be wise for Americans to recognize the inverse should be a consideration.

        Such an attitude should be adopted in the relations with all other peoples, even the UK.

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

          You know as well as I do that there will be no ‘real’ peace in that region and that we, the US and Israel, should stand together against the threat of Islam and for freedom and democracy.

          • Anonymous

            Democracy is not freedom, it is the imposition of mob will onto the will of others, often in the form of redirecting capital or the products of individuals’ labor towards ends the individual may or may not value.

            Representative Democracy is rule by the mob with regards to those counted among the Oligarchs.

            Democracy, just like an Autocracy, Timocracy, Monarchy, Plutocracy, unabashed Oligarchy, and Theocracy are all antitheses of freedom, systems put in place to act in opposition.

            • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com PunditPawn

              Well then, its a good thing WE ARE A REPUBLIC, not a democracy.

              • Anonymous

                Republic = Representative Democracy; I covered the system of the United States, it’s Oligarchic mob-rule.

            • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

              A Republic is the rule of LAW, not men. If our elected officials kept their SACRED OATH OF OFFICE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, then it wouldn’t matter a tinkers damn what a majority of the American people want. The whims of hundreds of millions would be – should be- null and void in light of the constraints purposely structured into the Constitution.
              There is a word betraying your Oath of office, and by extension your nation, it’s called TREASON.

            • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

              A Republic is the rule of LAW, not men. If our elected officials kept their SACRED OATH OF OFFICE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, then it wouldn’t matter a tinkers damn what a majority of the American people want. The whims of hundreds of millions would be – should be- null and void in light of the constraints purposely structured into the Constitution.
              There is a word betraying your Oath of office, and by extension your nation, it’s called TREASON.

            • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

              A Republic is the rule of LAW, not men. If our elected officials kept their SACRED OATH OF OFFICE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, then it wouldn’t matter a tinkers damn what a majority of the American people want. The whims of hundreds of millions would be – should be- null and void in light of the constraints purposely structured into the Constitution.
              There is a word betraying your Oath of office, and by extension your nation, it’s called TREASON.

              • Anonymous

                Those “laws” in this tax farm are are written by men, you attach a degree of otherworldly sanctity to legislation and man-made laws that they do not deserve, in my opinion.

            • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

              A Republic is the rule of LAW, not men. If our elected officials kept their SACRED OATH OF OFFICE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, then it wouldn’t matter a tinkers damn what a majority of the American people want. The whims of hundreds of millions would be – should be- null and void in light of the constraints purposely structured into the Constitution.
              There is a word betraying your Oath of office, and by extension your nation, it’s called TREASON.

            • albert silver

              Well, that leaves us with anarchy and cave-man tyranny, is that what you stand for and advocate ?

              • Anonymous

                I’m anti-state, yes.

        • iwantmycountryback

          hmmmmmm… let me think. We have Israel that we can help save or we have all the other Muslims over there that would just as soon see US (that would be us … as in the U.S) wiped off the map right after Israel. Wake up … Israel has the same values as we do. It is in our best interest to support freedom and democracy in the world whether you “personally” like it or not. It is a guise by the Palestineans and others that they want peace. If they did, they would be more willing to come to the table. Isreal has been forced to give up PLENTY to try and attain peace. BTW … every country spies on other countries. That is not a secret.

          • Anonymous

            See my post directly above yours in regards to “freedom and democracy,” and I’m well aware that Israel has already given up a lot, that peace talks are often a distraction technique by the palestinian leadership and that spying is commonplace.

            The thing is, typically when spies are caught, they are dealt with as the intruders they are, the United States government shrugged it off when Israel spied on the nuclear programs.

            I’m not anti-Israel so to speak, I just find it strange that so many Oligarchs of the United States regard themselves as directly responsible for the safeguarding of something which is not part of the Unites States. Israel has it’s own Oligarchs, unelected officials, and revenues stolen from it’s people for that purpose. The conventional wisdom of the US “right” seems to be that Israel be treated as a de facto colony/outpost of the US.

            • iwantmycountryback

              Maybe some just feel the people there (Israel) have the right to be able to live in peace. They are a small county compared to a lot of nations there that would easily band together and wipe it out if it weren’t for our intervention. Leadership … in whatever … ocracy you want to call it will always have it’s problems. But, that does not, IMO, mean that we/they should ignore a country that shares our values and beliefs, and that others would gladly and admitedly, wipe off the face of the earth. That I can and will defend.

              • Anonymous

                Well, I’m no fan of “nations” or “countries,” but that won’t be relevant for a long time if ever. The point though is that Israel has it’s own State, and if the defense industry here weren’t so cartelized Israel would be able to buy hardware on it’s own without the nonconsensual subsidization via US tax money (plunder).

                Your support is your choice and you are perfectly free to do exactly that, and I encourage you to do so if your values dictate it. Feel free to donate a check or two or finished goods. If I wish to let Israel watch it’s own business (that includes no meddling in my name on their relations with Palestinians), I have no choice though whether my money goes there regardless.

                Sorry, if that was a tad incoherent, it’s late and I’m very tired.

                have a good one.

              • Anonymous

                Well, I’m no fan of “nations” or “countries,” but that won’t be relevant for a long time if ever. The point though is that Israel has it’s own State, and if the defense industry here weren’t so cartelized Israel would be able to buy hardware on it’s own without the nonconsensual subsidization via US tax money (plunder).

                Your support is your choice and you are perfectly free to do exactly that, and I encourage you to do so if your values dictate it. Feel free to donate a check or two or finished goods. If I wish to let Israel watch it’s own business (that includes no meddling in my name on their relations with Palestinians), I have no choice though whether my money goes there regardless.

                Sorry, if that was a tad incoherent, it’s late and I’m very tired.

                have a good one.

                • Bill589

                  Israel is our imperfect friend. Don’t magnify their mistakes out of proportion.
                  We have worked together for years, and they are loyal.
                  We have mutual enemies. The difference is they are surrounded by them.
                  They are our ally, among a sea of enemies. Let’s remember to treat them as such.

                • las

                  Dan… listen… frankly you are a tad incoherent. And this incoherence goes right back to the fog of non-interventionism which I emphasized to you previously: it’s pure fantasy. I too love philosophy, but I am a tad more utilitarian with it. I recognize realities. This is not about saving democracy as some would contend. Democracy is the least component part. On this issue with Israel… we must be absolute realists. Look… I’ve lived in Europe… and travel there regularly. I’ve seen that as it stands right now Europe, old Europe is gone… and it is coming to our shores. Europeans are suicidal… and it is happening here. This is not about democracy. This is about the salvation of Western Civilization and Europe is burning… literally… There is no European country unmolested by Islam. This is all about Islam. Non-interventionism is not going to shield us. It’s pure self delusion.

                  I’m not going to get “eschatology” on you, you don’t need a Bible to parse the issues with Islam. You can do it studying “dhimmitude”. Read up on Bat Ye’or… books like Eurabia, or her studies on Islam in the Levant etc. West is absolutely right. America’s problems are bigger than the economy. And yes… America and Israel ARE joined at the hip. It goes back to the Founding… Judeo Christian values woven into America’s very fabric. This topic is very big… but I say this with respect because you have a good strong mind, but give your head a shake. Don’t hold to tightly to doctrinaire libertarianism. Realities have a habit of divesting us of our most cherished positions.

                • Anonymous

                  (With exception to the 3rd path I write from the perspective that the State and it’s mechanisms are a legitimate concept)

                  The eschatology cases are the weakest ones there are to be made to an atheist, so I’m glad you didn’t get into that.

                  Any incoherence is probably due to the fact that I tend to transition between this reality and my wishes without segue.

                  1. You did get right to the crux of our issue then, you’re (more) Utilitarian while I’m (for lack of a better term) Deontological. Kant was regarded as ludicrous for his response the famous “lying to an axe murderer” question, and there may be some small similarities between that principle and the reaction to the Non-Aggression Axiom and today’s reactions. That lone Libertarian ethic is regarded as absolutistic, which it is.

                  2. I’ll have to ask again where exactly in the founding documents can one find relevant Christian or scriptural language from which one can properly conclude a foundational link between the United States and a state (Israel) which had not yet been reestablished and has not petitioned to enter in the “union.” I would then also ask how it is such a contract would be binding on any individual who was not personally involved or even alive at the time to give any input.

                  3. Europeans also have a historical tendency to be prone to propaganda, and there has been a ceaseless campaign of it along the “Islam is Peace,” line for awhile. This is on top of Europe’s habitual collectivism and instructed hatred of one’s own heritage or identity. The only vocal opposition to the rapid morphing of cultures in Europe are people who often play very well into the xenophobic accusation, slurs are abound and assertions are presented as arguments.

                  4. Nothing in your point responds to the fact that Israel has Israeli representatives (supposedly) representing Israelis, and Allen West is a Florida representatives (supposedly) representing Floridians. I was unaware that representatives in the United States held positions in several nations similar to the King of England (King of England & Duke of Norway). Granted that wasn’t in the specific post you responded to, but it was the original point which, I felt, was clear and needed reiterating.

                  Speaking from a personally subjective perspective, now, this feels more like a religious alliance/affinity being imposed on the whole of the population with support being non-negotiable by the individual.

                  P.S. None of that is even addressing Neo-Lockean property rights.

                • las

                  Dan… Man… don’t you sleep?

                  1. You are right… eschatology is like trying to convince a fish to walk on dry land. He’ll never understand nor can he conceive. Eschatology has absolutely no traction to the atheist mind. It’s all bunk to him… so he remains in the sea, unable to walk. I’ll only say this that Biblical inquiry into these issues go a long long way to understanding where we are at presently. But I’ll leave that aside right now.

                  2. Nuf said on non-interventionism for now. You and I can duke it out later with that.

                  3. You said – “This is on top of Europe’s habitual collectivism and instructed hatred of one’s own heritage or identity.” —True indeed, but the collectivist self hatred is fairly recent since the 1960’s. The older generation does not share this.

                  You said -“The only vocal opposition to the rapid morphing of cultures in Europe are people who often play very well into the xenophobic accusation, slurs are abound and assertions are presented as arguments.” — If by “play” you mean accused and demonized. Yes that is true. If you are saying “they” (the so-called xenophobes) are making assertions presented as arguments, then where is your evidence? These people face car bombings, “nightly car-beques, the mosquing of schools and work places, the shariaization of laws, on and on it goes. This is beginning in the US as well… to a lesser extent in Canada. Islam is a deliberate non-assimilating non-integrating virulently supremacist anti-Western theocratic ideology. I’ll present evidence if you wish, but it is burning Europe to the ground and it is coming to our shores. So xenophobic… hardly. Only the liberal left play the xenophobic card.

                  4. Quite right… Nothing from the Founders screams “Thou shalt support Israel”. But the spirit of the principles in the Declaration does. Keeping in mind that from the 16th century through the 19th century English Old Testament references were the stock-in-trade of English revivalist movements. The Pilgrims and Puritans had foremost in their minds the Moses story and understood very well escape from slavery. Preacher John Wise, who is called the Father of American Independence wrote “The Law of Nature in Government” and parts of his work appear word for word in the Declaration. George Whitefield, the Father of American Evangelicalism, was the bron of the First Great Awakening and was a very close friend of Benjamin Franklin. Franklin was deeply influenced by that “thorn in the side Whitefield and was aware of the Moses Wilderness experience and likened it to America. I could go on here. These deep Christian and Moses roots are translated later into the the whole warp and weave of the American understanding of Liberty. This is just a sampler. The forgetting of these roots, the rewriting and revisionism (Soviet style) are at the root why the progressive left narrative has become the default narrative. I’ll stop here on this for now only to reiterate… Judeo Christian, emphasis on Judeo!

                  As for West representing Florida. What? He represents America also and has every right to voice his opinion on foreign policy and to want to shape it. It’s not unseemly. He will undoubtedly argue it is in America’s “interests”. But he will undoubtedly argue that above America’s interests, supporting Israel is an even higher calling. I can elaborate further, but not now. This is something the “lying for Jesus” crowd can never understand because they hate the Judeo Christian foundation. Why do you think they excoriate and demonize the right and conservatives? They finished off Christianity through court challenges and mock Christians at every turn. Now they are coming in for the kill… to destroy the Republicans and conservatives and expunge them from society. They understand well that conservatism in America is the last remaining political repository of Judeo-Christian values, the last political/cultural force with a Christian worldview in America. That is why they hate. They are engaging in cultural jihad. And sadly, too many libertarians have bought into this act as well. That’s why it can be safely said “Libertarian, not necessarily Conservative, Conservative not necessarily Libertarian.

                  Religious/alliance affinity no! Understanding the foundation of America, Yes!

                  Anyway my friend… nuf for now.

                • Anonymous

                  Lol yes, I sleep, just very little, so much to read, so many seminars to watch, exercise to catch up on, and friends drama to suffer through with so little time!

                  We agree on the first two, so there’s no point in touching those. I get the feeling due to the essential differences of your “realist” consequentialism and my focus on the rightness of action that #2 is irreconcilable between you and I.

                  #3 Is the label thrown around too often as a conversation-stopper by the belligerently ignorant and the conspiratorially self-destructive? Absolutely. But just like jokes, all hysteria has in it somewhere a kernel of truth. You and I, well not you probably, see people such as Pat Condell and understand that though he is blunt, he is also true to reality and the discomfort on hearing his delivery is necessary to shock some people from the stupor. There are also others, though, who embrace the position of reactionary and go to the other dangerous extreme. It can be seen in Russia, Sweden, and somewhat in Germany, a rise in hateful nationalism and racial solidarity. To a lesser extent you have the same occurring in the UK with the BNP.

                  You can think of these movements as modern (thus more illiterate and belligerent) incarnations of the Nativists and Know Nothings from American History. Xenophobe may have been largely diminished as a criticism due to it’s over use as a knee-jerk epithet like “racist,” but the word still has a real meaning and there are people out there to whom it genuinely applies. These caricatures are then used to discredit more reasoned expressions in Europe and the US.

                  I’m no friend of, or apologist for Islam. I won’t, though allow their Iron Age idiocy to drive me away from my belief that people have the right to be Iron Age idiots with the caveat that their right to swing their fist ends at the tip of my nose.

                  4. I won’t touch the substance or the lack there of of the Moses stories or Moses character, but I think you are overlooking the influence of non-clerical and non-scriptural influences on the American Revolution. Things like Cato’s Letters, the much more impassioned and readable series of essays publishing the ideas of John Locke. They were first published in England and then republished in the colonies in the 1750s.

                  What I don’t understand is how you, or anyone, can somehow twist the story of Moses into a story of equal freedom for individuals. The story of Moses has always been collectivistic with the referring to the hebrews as a chosen people. Freedom stopped acting as any kind of central theme the instant in the story they escaped the Pharaoh, after which it became a narrative of genocidal conquest. Though, I suppose it’s not unimaginable that even the puritans cherry-picked as much as people do today.

                  The story ultimately comes down to one group favored over all others, children killed and people plagued for the decisions of a monarch, and whole peoples wiped out for the lands to be put under the chosen group. This sounds antithetical to “life, liberty, and [property].” Even outside of that, I also do not see where religious inspirations for freedom from a distant monarch translate directly into obligatory support for a State which did not exist, nor can I find distinctly Christian or Scriptural language in the Constitution (a fact which chagrined Patrick Henry to no end).

                  Allen West does not represent the United States, he is the representative from FL-22. The House of a representatives as a whole is supposed to be representative of the United States as a whole through DISTRICT representatives acting as part of the body. If Allen West represented the United States and everyone claimed by the borders, I would be able to petition him as a constituent, but I don’t live in FL-22, I live in FL-15 so I get to futilely chase after Posey. If I COULD go to him as they say I could for Bill Posey, then effectively representation is the same in the House of Rep.s as in the House of Commons (where every one of them represented the empire as a whole).

                • las

                  No. 2. my “realist” consequentialism and my (your) focus on the rightness of action that #2 is irreconcilable between you and I”. Man, that was nasty. Consequentialism the slippery slope of “ends justifies the means”. No Dan… how could you say that about me? Nothing I said supports that, at least I don’t think so. Go back and review what West said in the clip. Plenty of “rightness of action in what he advocates” We can still go there (non-intervention) if you want.

                  “Russia, Sweden, and somewhat in Germany, a rise in hateful nationalism and racial solidarity. To a lesser extent you have the same occurring in the UK with the BNP.” Sweden? There is nothing in Sweden remotely like any nationalism except perhaps the SD party… which hardly can be described as xenophobic. The Swedish media and elites in Parliament have constructed a cordon sanitaire around them to push them out of the debate, much like Belgium parliament has demonized Philip DeWinter and excluded them from the process. But in Sweden… naw, does not exist. Germany, small with an overarching PC class ready to clamp down. UK… BNP, even the BNP has gone mainstream and are welcoming in Asians (non-Muslims). The big guns in GB are aimed at the EDL, because the EDL is not racist by any stretch therefore the greater target because they undermine
                  the bogus assumptions of the left-wing liberal elites. Russia has always had it, but Russia is the big surprise because Islam is swallowing it almost whole and it’s a story not really heard.

                  A quick note on the Nativists and Know Nothings. It’s almost exclusively used as a slag term. The “liars for Jesus” crowd… Chris Rodda and her Military Religious Freedom Foundation is so fond of it. I suspect she may use Know Nothings to refer to the Republicans, (kinda ironic that… they became anti-slavery, but that would hurt the liberal narrative now wouldn’t it?) But I have to be careful, however because I have not specifically seen her use the term Know Nothings. But the term is meaningless, like racist, islamophobe ad. Nauseum.

                  Point 4: Agreed, there are non-religious influences which are soundly ground in John Locke. No disagreement from me on that. Thomas Payne’s “The Age of Reason” and his little tract “Common Sense” comes to mind.

                  Regarding Moses… you said, “Freedom stopped acting as any kind of central theme the instant in the story they escaped the Pharaoh,” Incorrect there. Jewish tradition in the celebration of the Passover being the chief example it is also throughout the Psalms and elsewhere in the bible. You could only reach this conclusion if you were to interpolate into the discussion distaste for Levitical practice of the law, or latter day arguments about genocide, which you obviously have. There is a depth here to this issue which again would be rejected in knee-jerk fashion by your average atheist.

                  You said, “This sounds antithetical to “life, liberty, and [property].” Agreed, but Biblical Historical development does not end the story there. If I were to lay out the Biblical themes like covenantal promise, (even Abraham didn’t live under the law, that’s why he was not slain for marrying his half-sister) slavery (as metaphor for man’s fallen nature), deliverance, freedom, the giving of the law, inability to keep the law, wrath of God, need for New Covenant… many more themes, promised deliverer, freedom in Spirit as opposed to flesh… all of these things are important to understanding who man is.

                  Here is what I’ll say…I would just encourage you to remain agnostic on this one for a while… we can go into that at length on this later and I would love to engage you on it. But I encourage you to stay away from the trite one-liners so fashionable from the religion haters, like Hitchens. I absolutely love Hitchens, he’s a brilliant guy but his arguments on this issue are rarely intellectual, but emotional and exceeded only by Dawkins.

                  Lastly Members of Parliament are not limited to their regions. And West was NOT representing Israel… he was representing American foreign policy (or discussing it I should clarify) What I think you and I are running up against is your distaste for his interventionist position… and that’s fair enough, but I think you have constructed a false dichotomy on this one.

                  Anyway… now let me go… suppers’ waiting.
                  cheers

                • Anonymous

                  #2. I may have taken your statement of utilitarianism too far. Utilitarianism usually leads very easily into a consequentialism and can at times be used interchangeably. My mistake.

                  #3 With Sweden I was referring more to the rise of neo-nazism, swastika panting and other examples. Some or a lot of these swastikas and attacks are committed by Muslims, but the reaction to the blatant Islamization of European countries is hardly as reasoned as you or I would wish. That goes along with the similar reports I’ve seen from Germany and the video I had the misfortune of stumbling upon of Russian Neo-Nazis beheading a man in the woods (I didn’t sleep that night). The message of the BNP has perhaps moderated, but they were extremely nationalist last I looked, and the forums I visited have multitudes of slur-ridden diatribes, “muzzie” being a more take version. Geert Wilders in Holland is hit/miss for me, at times he sounds like a proud cultural conservative, other times he sounds creepy like when he wanted to ban the Koran.

                  4. I could have sworn Age of Reason was written after the American Revolution, but that is a good’n.

                  As for Moses, I don’t regard continued traditions of remembrance or references in other books as examples which can be counted as part of the story of Moses’ freeing the hebrews, leading them to the promised land and then seizing it. They are just that to me, remembrances/references. An example of this would be the Psalms reference to the exile after Nebuchadnezzar II and calling for the children of Babylon to be dashed on the rocks.

                  The more I know about Hitchens, the less I take him seriously, he’s entertaining but his rants get a bit “meh.” I like Robert G. Ingersoll and what I know about John Shelby Spong.

                  That is exactly what I said about members of parliament.

                  Anyway, I have textbooks to order.
                  Peace

                • Anonymous

                  #2. I may have taken your statement of utilitarianism too far. Utilitarianism usually leads very easily into a consequentialism and can at times be used interchangeably. My mistake.

                  #3 With Sweden I was referring more to the rise of neo-nazism, swastika panting and other examples. Some or a lot of these swastikas and attacks are committed by Muslims, but the reaction to the blatant Islamization of European countries is hardly as reasoned as you or I would wish. That goes along with the similar reports I’ve seen from Germany and the video I had the misfortune of stumbling upon of Russian Neo-Nazis beheading a man in the woods (I didn’t sleep that night). The message of the BNP has perhaps moderated, but they were extremely nationalist last I looked, and the forums I visited have multitudes of slur-ridden diatribes, “muzzie” being a more take version. Geert Wilders in Holland is hit/miss for me, at times he sounds like a proud cultural conservative, other times he sounds creepy like when he wanted to ban the Koran.

                  4. I could have sworn Age of Reason was written after the American Revolution, but that is a good’n.

                  As for Moses, I don’t regard continued traditions of remembrance or references in other books as examples which can be counted as part of the story of Moses’ freeing the hebrews, leading them to the promised land and then seizing it. They are just that to me, remembrances/references. An example of this would be the Psalms reference to the exile after Nebuchadnezzar II and calling for the children of Babylon to be dashed on the rocks.

                  The more I know about Hitchens, the less I take him seriously, he’s entertaining but his rants get a bit “meh.” I like Robert G. Ingersoll and what I know about John Shelby Spong.

                  That is exactly what I said about members of parliament.

                  Anyway, I have textbooks to order.
                  Peace

                • las

                  The swastika painting is truly all from Muslims. There was never been a neo Nazi movement in Sweden. Skinheads from the seventies to the nineties is probably what appeared there. But not real neo-nazi movement exists.

                  Spong… bad choice, but read on.

                  You may not regard such Jewish remembrances, but it still is a part of the Moses narrative… and incontrovertible at that. A bias against something does not nullify its veracity.

                  Regarding Nebuchadnezzar… this is from Ps 137. This was a prophecy, also a similar one in Isaiah. It was not a prescription for the Jews to kill children. This was what happened to the Babylonian at the hands of the Medo-Persians when they sacked Babylon in 539 B.C. It was exactly what the Babylonians did to Judah when they sacked Jerusalem in 587. It was a prophecy where the Persians would rejoice at killing Babylonian children. It was a case of them reaping what they had sown.

                  One more thing about Wilders… his banning the Koran suggestion is misconstrued constantly. What Wilders has said is that according to Dutch Law, (I forget the statues in the criminal code off hand, i’ve read them,) but according to Dutch Law, Mein Kampf is banned for the hate ideology contained within. Germany has the same thing. He said for Dutch law to be consistent, the Koran should be banned.

                  Members of Parliament… sorry, my Canadian slipped out… I meant Congress… my argument still applies.

                  Catcha

                • las

                  P.S. Spong is an unrepentant (if I can use that word) post-modern relativist, a quintessential relativist who eschews absolutism.. all absolutism, that is, except his own.

        • GladIdontThinkLikeYou

          The day Americans start thinking it’s wise to have the same attitude of third world countries or fall in line with Eurabia(UK) where they allow Islamic sharia law courts to exist then we are all screwed. What a statement, check your head.

    • illegalpointofview

      do your homework look at the breakdown of the district he represents

      • Anonymous

        Is it a district of Israelis? No, I didn’t think so.

    • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

      So the rest of our representatives who vote to support our troops fighting in Iraq and Afganistan, etc., that’s OK because…????? Silly you, indeed.

    • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

      So the rest of our representatives who vote to support our troops fighting in Iraq and Afganistan, etc., that’s OK because…????? Silly you, indeed.

    • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

      So the rest of our representatives who vote to support our troops fighting in Iraq and Afganistan, etc., that’s OK because…????? Silly you, indeed.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think they should be in Iraq or Afghanistan, nor do I think a magic uniform/costume gives individuals the miraculous right to kill other people who haven’t directly aggressed against them.

        I don’t consider the platonic singular collective identifier of “America” being attacked to count as an aggressed to individuals.

    • Drawsilver

      Allan West makes it crystal clear that by defending the only democracy in the middle East America is also defending the very principles of democracy, freedom and respect for diversity on which it is founded

      • Anonymous

        See my post far above regarding “freedom + democracy,” the two are mutually exclusive.

    • Moekev

      All West does stand up for the majority of his district. The small exception are uneducated and nieve to what is going on. This country was built on the Allen West’s of this country…..

  • iwantmycountryback

    I am just so grateful that this year has brought out some of the best of conservative Americans that I am proud to support. He, Rep. Allen West, being right there amongst the best of them … I am still holding my breath though and hoping they don’t let me down like so many in the past have done. Awesome speech.

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com PunditPawn

    This guy’s a big problem for Obama, Sharpton, Jackson. His command of speaking and audience engagement easily rivals, and I think succeeds, that of the Orator-in-chief.

    Watch for the liberal media coming at West with everything they have because they cannot allow for a well-spoken, educated, clean cut war hero to exist as a Republican. At least, not a black one.

    • halfmadjesus

      This is why the Dems played so dirty during West’s campaign – something I hope he continues reminding the media of at every opportunity. Fortunately, Floridians saw through the B.S.

      If he gets too uppity, though, I expect the Left will begin hammering West in ways that make the election campaign look like playtime.

  • http://twitter.com/DogOnCrack Erik Benson
  • Adriane

    Fantastic

  • J.A. Topfke

    I find little to cheer about when an American Congressman pledges his allegiance to a foreign country. “It’s my duty to stand up and defend America.” Check. “It’s my duty to stand up and defend the Constitution.” Check. “It’s my duty to stand up and defend a foreign nation.” Sorry, it leaves a little bit of a sickening feeling in the stomach.

    • Anonymous

      What makes you sicker? Standing up for honor and protecting the weak? Or standing by and doing nothing while an entire race of people is murdered?

      Would you stop a mugging in process or run away because it’s none of your business?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QHIB3HSTHJ6B7QZE6HGU6AMTYE Josh

      The point is that Israel faces the same foe that we do. Protecting the Jewish state of Israel IS our responsibility. We have been their ally for years and those who wish to destroy Israel know that. They know if we allow Israel to fall, the US will fall as well. Not to mention that they see us as Israel’s ally and therefore a target.

    • Aerialcat

      Israel is the ‘canary in the coal mine’… Ignore her at your own peril.

    • smittie

      We have allies, countries that will stand with us it we need them and countries that we need to stand by if they need us. Israel is one of those. Do you think that the USA needs no friends and should not stand with any other country. I think that Israel would stand with us n matter what. Name another country that would do so.

    • las

      Ah… the marvels of Muslim proverbs.

      Have you ever heard the expression, “First comes Saturday, then comes Sunday”. Ask a Muslim what it means… you’ll be in for a fine conversation. Years ago, I had a Muslim business partner who used this expression. Of course then, I knew nothing of Islam. Then I got the explanation.

      Meaning: First we kill the Saturday people (the Jews), then we kill the Sunday people (the Christians).

      No J.A. it’s our duty to defend and support Israel. And West is reiterating a point of American foreign policy that was established since Eisenhower. Although US relations with Israel were at times contingent on the influence of France, Great Britain and the Soviet Union, especially during Suez, it was under Johnson that America’s unwavering support became solid with massive military aid given to ensure Israel maintained military supremacy over her Arab neighbours. That position has remained ever since, until Bush was the first US President to entertain the idea of a two-state solution. It’s been downhill since then now that “The One” is in power.

  • Diablosho

    This speech is poetic! Every time he speaks, I find myself praying he would run for president. I would vote for him before Rush. And for any trolls around here, I’m white, so it’s not a racist thing (not that I even CARE about being called a racist).

  • Aerialcat

    “When tolerance becomes a one way street, it leads to cultural suicide”… Do you hear that dhimmis? He is talking to you.

  • Anonymous

    LOVE THIS GUY!!!

  • West

    He’s a great speaker!

  • illegalpointofview

    wow!!! Palin/West Palin/Rubio support this man

  • matterin

    I really like this guy. He has something so many in Washington lack, honor. That’s why they will not like him.

  • Mzhovda

    Palin/West 2012

  • http://twitter.com/MrsSmithGoes2DC Catherine Crabill

    Allen West for President! This man is as rare as they come. He has the character, disposition, integrity, strength, wisdom, and humility of a George Washington. God Speed Allen West!

  • Bmw396

    This guy is awesome! I would love to see him in person.

  • Phil Orenstein

    To Dan, Topfke and others. Unlike Dan I need to sleep so these comments will be (hopefully) brief. On democracy, I have had this continuing discussion with my libertarian friends that the representative democracy we are in finds it’s basis in the famous lines from the DoI that states, “Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” It’s founded on the righteous principle of elected individuals representing the people who voted them in. This is the basis of our republican form of government that is the fundamental bulwark against tyranny unless you believe the people are an “unruly mob” like our liberal Democratic politicians who sneered in fear of the everyday folks at the townhalls during the healthcare reform debates. The liberal politicians who most likely engage in all sorts of voter fraud, massive machine driven politics and community organizing believe in the antithesis of our democracy – that they are the anointed ones, the all-wise, infallible rulers to govern the greedy capitalists and the rest of the unwashed rabble. I believe that great patriot Rep. West has faith in the American people who will rise like lions to the dangers on the road ahead and who will keep the flame of liberty shining on. That’s why they elected him!

    On Israel, I would as well shy away from the eschatological arguments, whatever they are. Israel is our staunchest ally. Period. My libertarian friends & Ron Paulites complain of the measly $2-3 billion in military aid to Israel, America’s indestructible super-carrier in the midst of the religious tyrannical Mideast nations. Isreal has been a strategic asset of US military intel and a bulwark against the Soviet Union during and after the cold war era and now Iran. As Gen Keagan, Dir of USAF Intel said, Israel is worth over $50 billion in intel, R&D, captured and transferred Soviet weapons system, the equivalent worth of “5 CIAs.” Not a single US serviceperson is stationed in Israel, while 100’s of 1000’s are committed to Germany, Japan Korea and many other part of the globe which means a savings of over $5 billion/yr.

    The war we are in is the totalitarian movement of the 20th century that has morphed into the unholy alliance of the radical left and the islamist movement who make common cause for the destruction of their common enemies, the great satan America and the lesser satan, Israel. It’s the same liberated feminists, leftists, radical profs, and LGBT who will not condemn the anti-gay, misogynist, oppressive, authoritarian, barbarian nature of the enemy we face who end up as the strangest bedfellows bent on our demise.

  • http://rutimizrachi.blogspot.com rutimizrachi

    Excellent. How DARE anyone say to me that I am prejudiced against blacks because I don’t care for what Barack Obama has to say, or what he appears to stand for. If a leader shows that he is a man of parts, then I don’t care what is the color of his skin. This man has shown deep content in his character. We Israelis are fortunate to have such a friend. May Hashem protect him, and guide him, through a long and healthy life.

  • Bigmo

    I have never seen such bunch of Trotskyist Neocons groiuped together. The only reason why the Arabs come after us is because of our blind and unconditioanl support for Israel And this love affair is one sided. Not one person here can migrate to israel. yet Jewish groups here have supported the 1965 immigration act to displace European Americans. Nobody calls Israel Judeo-Christian, yet America has to be Judeo -Christian.

    No other nation sees it like this because Zionist have taken hold over America.

  • http://twitter.com/kcsinger33 Marina Samoylovich

    I would vote for Allen West.