[UPDATE: DEAL REACHED] Mark Levin explains the RNC rules change and why we must defeat it


Mark Levin wrote on his Facebook earlier today in a post entitled “Damn it, defeat this RINO power grab!” about a RNC rules change that would completely undermine the grassroot delegates during the convention:

Conservatives of all stripes, especially Tea Party activists, this is an attempt to destroy your ability to influence the presidential and vice presidential nomination process in the Republican Party. It is an attempt to eviscerate the input of state parties. It is a brazen assault on the grassroots. And it is sleazy to the core.

If I didn’t know better, I’d think Obama was behind it. Instead, Romney’s operatives are orchestrating it.

He went into much more detail on his radio show. Listen below:

UPDATE: According to Chron.com, the backers of the rule change backed down:

In an e-mail obtained by Hearst Newspapers (available below), Republicans who led the fight against the proposed change said the GOP leaders “heard the concerns of the conservative grassroots voices in our party” and amended their proposal.

“This will allow Republicans of all stripes to come to the convention united and focused on defeating Barack Obama in November,” they said.

Under the deal, delegates who are bound to a presidential candidate that hasn’t bowed out of the race or released them to vote for another contender are barred from casting a vote for a different person. During this convention, the change effectively would mean a delegate bound to Mitt Romney could not instead opt to throw his or her support behind Ron Paul, who has not freed his delegates.

Any vote for another candidate would be voided and the delegate would lose his or her position.

But under the compromise, states would still able to select individual delegates under their own laws and party rules. GOP leaders agreed to remove the rule change provision that would have allowed state-party-selected delegates to be disavowed.

Spokesmen for the Romney campaign and the Republican National Committee did not respond to requests for comment.

Fredricks said the agreement appeared to satisfy Texas’ concerns.

A Georgia delegate, who wrote an open letter to the RNC, says at first glance the verbiage looks acceptable:


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  • marketcomp

    The point to all of this is that Karl Rove is trying to effectively eliminate the tea party’s influence in the republican party. Now the question is what will we do to diminish Karl Rove’s influence in the republican party. Karl Rove is a disaster for the republican party and every since Christine O’Donnell Rove has hated and degraded the tea party. We must find away to get rid of Karl Rove!

    • don’t vote for romney

      • marketcomp

        At this point Carolyn Dixon, I am not voting for anyone else but Romney. We have to gain influence where we can and I hope that the delegates in Tampa know what’s happening with this huge power grab orchestrated by Rove and company. At this point Romney is the man and I will vote for him because I have no choice. I am not voting for Obama by any stretch of the imagination, Ron Johnson or any stupid green party candidate.

        • Gary Johnson. Ron Johnson is a GOP (Tea Party backed) senator from Wisconsin who is not running for president.

          • Finrod Felagund

            Voting 3rd-party helps re-elect Obama.

            • Maybe, maybe not

            • Guest1776rcp

              Actually it helps neither candidate if you want to stick with just the facts of the matter.

              • Actually, it helps Obama. Remember Ralph Nader? I hope JillStein takes some votes away from Obama.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  Only if you believe you are some sort of medium and know all those votes would have gone for Gore in all the right places. It reminds of the silly Perot got Clinton elected nonsense. Read my lips: H.W.Bush blew it, Ross Perot didn’t force Bush to go against his word and loose the American people’s trust. Bush did it to himself. Same goes for the GOP if Romney loses, its my fault, they don’t own my vote. Blame the GOP for not nominating someone I could vote for.

            • That is simply not true. We have an Electoral College not a popular vote picking the President. If people vote Libertarian (for instance) in deep Blue or Deep Red states (ie not swing states) it will make a statement and not effect the outcome.

              • MLCBLOG

                I don’t think so. The EC is basically based on the popular vote though splitting hairs and getting all academic obscures that, making it seem unfair to give the smaller states a more balanced stature with the larger states, which was the idea all along. Sideways voting (Libertarian instead of a much-needed Repub vote) can result in lost elections.

            • I’m willing to take that chance; 4 years marxist beats 8 years fascist.

              • KenInMontana

                Did someone resurrect Benito Mussolini and forget to mention it?

                • If so, I hope he gets it again, exactly the same way.

              • Then you’re on the other side. Cheering on Obama, I didn’t think this was a RINO site. How about some cheese to go with your whine?

          • marketcomp

            Opps, sorry Chet Field! You are so right.

      • Vote for Romney now, build Conservative Party after. If Obama wins because conservatives refused to vote for Romney, then we will lose any traction for creating a third party.

        • keyesforpres

          We will flat out lose our country if the illegal alien gets back in.

        • You people do not get it. Romney cannot beat Obama. Romney is going to get flattened by things he has been hiding financially/and offshore and Obama is going to use the Dept of Justice/CIA/IRS to dig all the goodies up and ruin his campaign. Romneys numbers are going to plummet so fast of the likes you have never seen.

          There won’t be a damned thing Romney will be able to do about it because only one network supports him and all the rest are going to work together to bury him. He is done already. Watch.

          • PFFV

            Romney/Ryan will win in a landslide because ‘We the People’ are awake and we are the Tea Party! It’s time to take back our government and it starts anew this November! See you at the polls my conservative patriots! 🙂

            • You guys are so much in denial that is disgusting! how can you support a man who is getting the position by fraud and corruption? do you believe that corruption will change corruption? you crazy, this is a handover to obama, it’s 08 all over again. WAKE UP PEOPLE you have the change if you fright this corrupt fraud not to support the very people that are planning our destruction. crazy.

              • tinker_thinker

                Because that is how bad we want and need to vote obama out. If obama is re elected our country is lost, if Mitt is elected then we have a chance to change things…are you really voting for obama?

                • Guest1776rcp

                  If obama is re elected our country is lost

                  The country survived Civil War, FDR’s socialistic ways, high taxes, Carter etc… Please! If you must insist on going that route then don’t worry because the Mayans say the world is going to end on Dec 21st this year. LOL!

                • Idahoser

                  The country did NOT survive the so-called Civil War. It is no longer a union if membership can’t be cancelled. That destruction of “states” was completed when their representation was stolen in 1913.
                  The Republic designed by our founders is no more, this is a democracy.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  The 17th basically turned us into a direct democracy almost. And they used the same excuse to pass S.679 even worse Paul Ryan voted yes with the Democrats on that Bill. Obama could have appointed Van Jones to a lower level position if that was in place in 2008.

                  Regardless, what little freedoms we and states have left is not going to be saved or slowed by RINOs. The writing is on the wall and to anyone not living in bizarro-world actions speak much louder than words.

                • tinker_thinker

                  ABO…that means Mitt.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  Technically, writing in Daffy Duck falls under voting for Anybody But Obama. 🙂

                • tinker_thinker

                  LOL even DD is better than obama.

                • MLCBLOG

                  We can fight it. Perhaps it is not inevitable. I do not believe in giving up while there is life in us.

                • Actions do speak louder than words. Obama’s actions have destroyed the country and Romney will be infinitely better. The RINOs are the ones like some posters here who aren’t voting for Romney and cheering for Obama, it’s not Romney.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  How bizarre!? You have that exactly bass-ackwards. The RINOs delivered Obama on a silver platter in the first place. Conservatives don’t vote to expand the size and scope of government, unfunded entitlements, raise the debt ceiling etc…. etc…

                • Conservatives look at another Obama term with absolute fear and revulsion.

                  I know Powell and Crist won’t, JohnnyMac said we wouldn’t have to, but we know his words and his actions and we do.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  I look at a Romney presidency with as much revulsion as an Obama one. Its why Daffy is getting my vote. At least the GOPe will oppose Obama’s progressive agenda and not rubber stamp it.

                • On what planet will the GOP leadership oppose Obama’s agenda? Boehner’s been a very weak Speaker.

              • canscrap

                Antoniette, you go ahead and vote for obama, Ron Paul or Gary Johnson…. Silly you, I’ll take my chances with Mitt Romney and ALL the American people that LOVE this country.

              • MLCBLOG

                so you like O then?

            • leslymill

              PFFV your delusional.

              • His delusional what?

                • Guest1776rcp

                  Romney landslide is delusional, I concur. If anything it will be like Bush vs Gore.

                • MLCBLOG

                  That is your opinion.

                • Nope. Most Americans, the ones who LOVE this country, will be voting for Mitt. They’re plain-out sick of Obama.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  From a political perspective I’d say most Americans are sick of being told by both parties what makes them American, and regardless of what you or me think the American people will sort it out in the end.

            • jlw7895

              Uh, excuse me, the Tea Party is a CONSERVATIVE group, they DO NOT support Mitt, he is a liberal moderate at BEST! Sure some will hold their noses, but DON’T imply we support this loser! ANYONE that voted for Mitt in the primary, PLEASE sit out next time, you are responsible for Obama’s next 4 years!

              • They’ll ALL vote for Mitt if they’re ACTUAL conservatives who care about getting rid of Obama. REAL conservatives aren’t cheerleading for another Obama term.

          • leslymill

            His campaign is already ruined. He is a thug and no conservative and no republican. At the least hope the delegates Abstain and let them fight for Newt, Palin Paul or Santorum…anyone but Romney or Bush.

            • tinker_thinker

              Thugs? Hahaha….obamabots, mittbots, paulbots…you mean those?

              • I’ve never noticed this phenomena of Mittbots. I’ve only seen a few major supporters of his before he got it, and they aren’t rabid and threaten to sit elections out and cheerlead for the other guy.

                • tinker_thinker

                  Really? Where were you?

                • I didn’t notice this meme. Some people liked him but he didn’t have a lot of vocal, in-your-face supporters.

                • tinker_thinker

                  I’m not sure what or where you are talking about. I’m talking about on the web. They didn’t advertise they were mittbots but went ahead and attacked every republican(that wasn’t for mitt) as if they were obamabots. Those responses you mentioned…. were mostly because of them.

            • Wow, I would say you are the one who is delusional-calling Romney a thug? Go back to your boss, the liar in chief, and tell him we have already established the fact that HE is the thug, and to try and come up with an origi al idea. Stupid troll.

          • canscrap

            Nice try but not buying your talking points. I listened to Dick Morris last night and I’ll go with his positive assessment of Romney. There is NOTHING hidden in Mitt Romney’s past and for the Dems, THAT’S the problem.

            ROMNEY/RYAN 2012

          • And Romney deserves it too!

          • MLCBLOG

            With friends like you, who needs enemies?

        • Guest1776rcp

          Jimmy Carter: Put the Ayatollah in charge now and we’ll convince Islam to get into the 20th century later.

          Yep, IMO your comment makes about as much sense.

          The country is twice as dumb as it once was and its by design. There’s nothing to fear but fear itself and its going to take twice as long to get our Reagan in 2016 because the country is two times dumbed down since 1980.

          • Sigh. You really compared my comment to Jimmy Carter? You might as well have kicked me in the nuts. That’s pretty low.

            My point is that if people like you and me who desperately wanted someone else but Romney vote for someone else – or refuse to vote – and Obama remains in office, then we go around trying to form a 3rd party, everyone who voted for Mitt would blame us and never allow that 3rd party to be formed, including the majority of Tea Party patriots.

          • You explicitly want Obama to win the election, and you accuse others of being like Jimmy Carter? No, if anybody’s like him, it’s you.

            • Guest1776rcp

              Actually I want Daffy Duck to win and that’s why I am writing him in. The obvious thing one could gather from my opinion is that I don’t like Obama or Romney. You shouldn’t put words in people’s mouth then comment on them, its rather bizarre.

              • tinker_thinker

                Well, just sleep in, why waste your time/gas/paper going to vote? BTW why are you wasting time here if ya have no dog in the fight?

        • jlw7895

          A vote for Romney just tells the RNC to keep pushing liberal moderates on us and we’ll keep voting for them! Uh, NO!

          • Romney had the second best score on immigration out of all of our candidates when he was running. That should be a good sign, at very least he won’t be as beholden to am-nasty as Bush (who had a consistent and deep emotional connection with it) was.
            He’s gotten a little shy a couple of times after it was secured, but that doesn’t change the fact we finally got a nominee who’s talked about self-deportation and could be good on the border.

        • Start voting 3rd party now and worry about the consequences later. If we can’t get traction for a 3rd party now with the blatant NWO orchestration of a Romney/Obama Goldman Sachs party hack orgy, we never will.

        • MLCBLOG

          Exactly. Whip Obama and then we will still have a country, when we can duke it out re. immigration and abortion and the other issues.

      • Patriot077

        do you want more obama?

        • leslymill

          There is no difference in either one and your argument is foolish. Many will go for 4 years of tyranny over 8.

          • Gregory Derrickson

            Umm, yes, there is a gigantic difference. Your argument is the foolish one!

          • tinker_thinker

            Huh? One wants capitalism one wants socialism…those are not the same.

            • Guest1776rcp

              Medicare expansion which Bush and the GOPe passed is not socialism? The GOPe gives us lip service and political stunts such as the Ryan budget but when it counts they do nothing of the sort just like Ryan’s voting record proves. Fiscal hawk my arse, fiscal hawks don’t vote for auto bailouts, TARP, unfunded entitlement expansion, unfunded wars, raising the debt ceiling etc…. Sorry but that’s not the definition of fiscal hawk.

              • tinker_thinker

                Bush? Good lord! This is another day…time. I smell a paulbot.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  Your nose must be clogged. It is interesting how you socialist minded folks (whether you realize it or not) try to stereotype an individual like myself and label me a Paulie. I could hold my nose and vote for him at least and I like his son much better but I am not a Paulie by any means. The man doesn’t understand the difference between Shi’ites and Sunnis let alone understand Islam. Sorry to disappoint but you aren’t going to stick a unique individual like myself into any pre-defined socialist mentality and out me into one of your little groupings of collective BORG-like creatures where the thinking comes from the top down.

                • tinker_thinker

                  Yes, I think I will stick you in a group…dolts. You fit very well.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  Ouch, now you’ve gone and hurt my feelings. LMAO! Good one. And good luck with that, the professionals call it “transference” or “projection”.

                  Have a nice day.

                • tinker_thinker

                  No, I hate to break it to you…that wasn’t transference or projection.

                • “socialist minded folks” Good Lord, YOU’RE the one who WANTS Obama to get another term!

                • Guest1776rcp

                  If the GOPe controls the senate and house what is to fear?

                  Do you not trust the GOPe to capitulate to Obama? EOs are easily reversed by a conservative President in Jan, 2017. I trust Romney on judges as much as I do Obama. I don’t fear a four year lame duck like you do.

                • “Four year lame duck”? Nope. We won’t be able to survive his “harmless & fun” EOs for those four years. Boehner is a weak and flaccid Speaker who’d as soon go after Bachmann as Obama and reach “deals” with Obama also and even without Congress he still has the power to ruin America. I think Romney is at least considerably more conservative than Boehner, and he doesn’t cry so easily.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  EOs are just as easily removed by a conservative POTUS as they were put in place by Obama, and yes the country will survive a four year lame duck. Do you think Romney is going to give back powers the executive branch has expanded upon under BushObama? I don’t, I see Romney as just as power hungry as Obama and he showed his true colors at the convention with the rules changes. Romney is RINO establishment all the way. No thanks.

            • Idahoser

              you’re projecting, thinking McRombee wants capitalism (which by the way is a derogatory term, invented by the soviets). But there is of course no way another 4 years of Zero can be tolerated, even if Rudy McRombee is just as bad.

              • tinker_thinker

                No, I’m not.

          • You really want Obama to get another term. Go to your friends the DailyKos, we don’t have people like that on here who pretend to be conservative.

      • Are you nuts, like it would be good for America to have four more years of despair and chains.

      • Vote for Obama? Good idea, comrade.

      • Why drink a shot of spoiled milk when you can chug a quart of strychnine, right, Carolyn?

      • leslymill
      • SKL53

        A vote for Obama is for sure the ‘you ain’t seen nothing yet’ when it comes to power play!!!

      • canscrap

        Carolyn, I am voting for Mitt Romney NOT Ron Paul or Gary Johnson therefore obama

      • MLCBLOG

        not a good answer in my opinon…..though we can’t stand Karl Rove and the other RINO’s who totally don’t get the Tea Party and are obviously threatened by it…we need to remain unified.

        That is the best part of the RNC right now. Unity.

        We have plenty to disagree on, namely immigration and abortion, but we need to whip the big O.

    • Romney is the Anesthesia the RNC will use while they cut the legs off America!

    • The O’Donnell disaster cost us one seat in the Senate.

      • marketcomp

        Well if the people of Delaware loved that RINO they would have returned him, right? So Obviously they wanted to remove him also. Karl Rove is an infectous sore in the republican party who was partly responsible for the agenda in the Bush admnistration and consequently the huge loses in 06′. Now those are just the facts.

      • mark1955

        Mike Castle, a leftie who would have voted with the dems on almost everything.Moving the repub Party to the left,By the way and undoing everything Reagan had stood for, is the goal of MITTEN’S/Jeb/Rove and the entire repub establishment.

        • Guest1776rcp

          The writing is on the wall but some won’t see it until they’re lined up against it.

    • cathmom

      Yes, let’s do find a way to get rid of Karl Rove AFTER we get rid of Obama. First things first. And Not voting for Romney is not going to help us get rid of Obama.

      • Guest1776rcp

        So the right thing to do is to succumb to the RNC’s blackmailing us? I’m not afraid of a second term four year lame duck myself.

        In 1980 the American public was smarter in general so it only took four years of Carter to get us a Reagan. Unfortunately the American public is much more dumbed down and indoctrinated than in 1980 so its going to take eight years of Obama to get our Reagan. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Electing a RINO is not the way to get a conservative in the WH.

        • cathmom

          It won’t be a lame duck term, that’s the problem. Obama will rule by Executive Order and bypass House and Senate. He has already done that several times during this term.

          • If it happens, the Congress should have the spine to impeach the man for usurping the Constitution. I don’t see it happening, but it should.

            • cathmom

              Yeah don’t hold your breath on that one, they should have impeached him already……

              • And what confidence do we have that Congress will not roll over for Romney when he wants to pull a few GW’s while in office.

            • Finrod Felagund

              Obama could kill and eat a baby on live network television and there would still be 34 Democrats in the Senate that would not vote to impeach him.

              • Not sure what you are getting at, but the GOP should do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. Yet, if the GOP in the House refuses to file motions for impeachment for a president that is defying the constitution what makes one think that they will not roll over for Romney when he desires to pull a few GWB’s and expand government anyway.

                • Finrod Felagund

                  The point is that while we might be able to impeach Obama, like we did Bill Clinton, there is absolutely no chance that the Senate will convict him of that impeachment and remove him from office, no matter what he’s done. It takes 67 Senators to vote for impeachment to remove a President.

                • That does not matter as much as demonstrating that GOP has a backbone. It is principled leadership we desire not a bunch of finger-in-the-wind pansies.

                • Principled leadership sure. Cheering on another Obama term is SO PRINCIPLED. That is SO conservative, isn’t it? The answer is no.

          • Guest1776rcp

            Any EO can be removed by a conservative POTUS with an EO of his own. ROmney is not a conservative and not going to give up powers Bush and Obama expanded upon. In fact all evidence points to ROmney being just as big if not bigger power monger than BushObama.

            Also, if Boehner had Nancy Pelosi’s balls he’d defund Obama’s agenda. Its well within his power to do so.

            • A lot of people thought Reagan was going to be like that, too.

            • We see the real RINOs here and those who liked it. Romney worse than Obama? After what we’ve seen? Gee, I’m starting to think you’re a plant.

              • Guest1776rcp

                My oh my! Look who’s using a play straight out of the communist playbook (whether he knows it or not). Tsk tsk!

                Most around here know I have a different view on how to get an actual conservative in the WH in 2016. Take your rovian-bushie BS and stick it. Rovians and RINOs delivered Nancy, Harry then Obama on a silver platter and are now telling me to shut up and do what I’m told. How bizarre!

                • I’m FAR from a Bush/Rove type or supporter. I simply care about saving the country from another Obama term and by the way, the mood is different and Romney is to Bush’s right. It’s ironic someone who wants another Obama term would talk about other RINOs throwing elections. But I guess that’s okay from the Colin Powell/Charlie Crist playbook.

                  Imagine another Obama term. Watch the movie. We will cease to exist, he’s the most radical President ever. Saving the country’s more important than settling a score.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  You are at an unhealthy level of hysteria over Obama. The country will survive Obama just as it survived FDR, Carter and others. You seem to mistake the U.S.A. for some tiny S. American country or something.

                  Don’t you trust a GOP controlled House and Senate to hold Obama’s feet to the fire? And if you don’t then why do you trust them to hold Romney’s feet to the fire?

                • You trust Boehner & Cantor to hold Obama’s feet to the fire? Their leadership is weak.
                  And you saying I’m in “hysteria” over Obama after his horrible four years during this dangerous time reminds me a lot of John McCain saying “We have nothing to fear from Obama”.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  So let me get this straight. You don’t trust Boehner to hold Obama’s feet to the fire but you trust Boehner to hold Romney’s feet to the fire? Boehner won’t be trying to please and appease the RINO version of hope and change from his own party?

                  Cognitive dissonance much?

                • You think Boehner’s been hard on Obama? He won’t be hard on either one, but we don’t need him to take a leading role on Romney, just the Tea Party caucus to make things vocal and pressure others. As things stand today, he’s the most powerful Republican in government.

          • mittens and his team are trying to rule by executive order now, how much more so will he if and when he wins the presidency?

            • Still not sure the RNC crap is coming from Mitt. I’ll keep an open mind on that until after the convention when more conservative outlets (not just Levin and Malkin) are reporting on the crap that happened with the delegates.

              As much as I want Mitt to defeat Obama, I would like a debate moderator to ask him if he supported the rules change regarding delegates.

        • I think people were more dumbed down and indoctrinated back in the Carter years. Too much information from our side getting out to the masses with internet and radio.

          My fear is being RULED by a dictator through hundreds of executive orders and allowing the EPA to create regulations bypassing any Congressional oversight.

        • If you aren’t afraid of another Obama term, then you don’t know anything about him, must see the same halo around him MSNBC does. You are the REAL RINO who thinks he’s a “nice guy” and “not threatening” if you think him getting another term with NO constraints like another election is a good thing, and I shouldn’t even have to explain that.

          • Guest1776rcp

            I know all about Obama and I also know a GOP controlled house and senate can neuter him and his agenda if they want to. I’d rather have the GOPe fighting progressive Obama than rubber stamping big government solutions can be run more efficiently Romney. I think Romney will Bushize the GOP brand again and the conservative cause will be lost for a long time to come. That’s my opinion I could be wrong. Time will tell.

            • After the Tea Party now people are awake to that. They aren’t going easy on Boehner, if Romney takes us down that path they won’t go easy on him either. Heck in Bush’s last years it was the right’s grassroots who was curtailing him.
              About Congress: 1. Obama doesn’t NEED Congress’s approval. That’s why he issues so many executive orders. He thinks he’s above things like that. 2. Has Boehner really been effective against Obama’s agenda? Newt he ain’t. There are others who certainly have, but the Weeper’s supposed to be the second most powerful in government, hasn’t opposed O that hard. Still important to stay in the majority there, can’t have the witch Nancy coming back, and Reid needs to be beat. I’m hoping the Akin flap didn’t spoil the Senate chances. 3. You can bet they aren’t going to impeach him either.

              It’s no excuse to be like Charlie Crist.

              • Guest1776rcp

                Indeed holding the House and taking the Senate is by far more important than taking the WH. Its also why you shouldn’t insult those of us who can’t hold their nose and vote Romney but will vote for conservatives in other races.

  • anyonebutbarry2012

    listened to mark, then contacted the 2 committee rules members for my state I had emails for, was sad my state republican committee, was ill informed,then told me they did not have information on how I could contact them.

    michelle malkin though has the information, thank you michelle malkin and mark levin 

  • freenca

    If these rules be adopted it could spell the end of the two Republican parties. The Conservative Party could very well become a reality before 2016. People are sick to their stomachs of being dictated to by the “big” boys. The states must be supreme in the delegate system and not the DC club. Ask Sarah!

    • B-Funk

      If ever we needed Sarah, it’s now!

      • But she chose not to run. How can you ‘need’ someone who decided that Romney was good enough?

        • freenca

          She’s not dumb, or deaf. She, IMO, knew that This is our chance in THIS election to start to turn the ship around. She can be in the background, being influential, in house and senate elections, in order to be set for 2016. Romney is the guy that can start to turn the ship and it will take someone Like her, or Rand, or another rising star, to take it home for Americans, after the next term.

          • B-Funk

            Absolutely. This is exactly how I feel. This election is only the beginning. After this, we have a lot of work to do to turn this country around. Romney’s only the beginning. He’ll help things start turning, but it’s going to take multiple Presidents with a mind to slice & dice the DC fat. Anyhow, great points!

          • Guest1776rcp

            You are not replacing a sitting POTUS in a primary in 2016. Delusional at best! We couldn’t even get a conservative nominated. This was the best chance in decades to get an actual conservative in the WH and the RNC went out of its way to make sure it didn’t happen. Good luck with that!

            • Lyndon Johnson would have likely lost his Primary before he dropped out. But as you wave the pom poms for Obama, Romney will beat him. He doesn’t need DailyKosers.

              • Guest1776rcp

                The GOP might lose because pinheads like you aren’t smart enough not to insult people. Many people can’t vote for Romney but will vote for senate and house races. You want to encourage those who can’t vote for Romney to at least vote for conservatives they like in other races. The WH matters less than flipping the Senate and keeping the House.

                • You want Obama to win. Just sayin’.

                  Then he’ll fundamentally remake America into nothing.

                • Guest1776rcp

                  No, I think Daffy Duck would make for a more conservative President than Obama or Romney. Get over it.

        • B-Funk

          I’m not talking about her being President, I’m talking about her being a voice against this tyranny in the RNC. Besides, I think Mitt could be good enough. Sarah’s time could come. In years to come, she might run for President. For now, we just need her voice and toughness to stand up against the left in the republican party.

          • PFFV

            Understandable comments my friend indeed. One thing to remember, Reagan was a Democrat and he learned the error of his ways. I believe Romney will surprise us all by being much more conservative than we ever thought he would be. The big difference now is that ‘we the people’ are watching government more than ever before and we don’t like what we are seeing. We will hold Romney’s feet to the fire if need be 😉

            • Unsure if Romney even cares.

            • B-Funk

              Thank you. ^_^ Yah, things have changed for me- and, likely, for everyone else. I think Romney will be a pretty neat guy to have in the presidency, but now that I’m awake to the DC way, I’ll never fully trust a President ever again. As you said, we’ll hold his feet to the fire. That, I believe, is how the Founders wanted it. Anyhow, thanks for the comment. I think Scoop tends to take comments the most negative possible way. At least, that’s been my experience with him, unfortunately. :-/

      • freenca

        Yea! She has a good handle on the mood of the country. She’s going to know going forward what the middle Americans really feel.

  • Freempg

    Third Party (and I don’t want to here any crap about splitting the vote). The GOP establishment is and remains enemy number one. They are the ones that enabled Obama and will enable another one sooner rather than later.

    Romney operatives have been hard at work since their efforts to destroy Sarah Palin even before the 2008 election results were in. Sarah made a terrible mistake by saying, early on, that she would not entertain a third party run. She should have leveraged her grass roots power and the threat of third party to get something, at least a speaking convention, at the convention.

    • goldenprez

      Gee, didn’t someone on these boards predict that the GOP establishment, being the real enemy, was going to give rise to a third party?

      Why, yes. It was me. Back in February and March of this year.

      Of course, I got tired of battling the “Conservatives 4 Palin,” and removed myself from their website.

      Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

      Barracudas Maximus

      Illegitimi non carborundum

      • Wouldn’t Conservatives 4 Palin be more open to that? I honestly don’t know their position.

    • dude, it’s called tactics. defeat the marxists first. then we crush the rinos. think of world war ii.

      • Freempg

        See my comment to keyes.

    • keyesforpres

      Sorry, no third party this go round. In 2016? Absolutely! Right now we have to get Obama out!

      • Freempg

        I thought that was understood. It’s obviously too late this go-around.

    • I think it’s frightening how many users just nod along when you talk about how we need to throw a tantrum, run a third party in this election, split the vote, re-elect Obama, and celebrate. And that Obama isn’t our top enemy. The biggest RINOs will support Obama anyways, some RINOs on here will grandstand and not vote for the ticket.
      You’re as much of a RINO as Rove is. Both undermine and work against our interests.

      Want to talk about enabling Obama? They do, but certainly so do people who blatantly want a third party against our ticket to defeat Obama.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbycMtTUDfE Listen and listen good. It’s somewhere towards the end. Like Jesus and the moneylenders in the temple. He makes it clear what he’s talking about.

  • StandProudNow

    The republican party seem to have a death wish. They think we will just sit down and shut up??

    Who would even THINK of such a power grab?? They must really think we are dumb!!

    I see the seeds for a third party being born…….

    • I’d switch to a Conservative Party. You betcha!

    • Stehekin912

      I was kinda figuring that after this election, a new Conservative party would be formed…..wonder what we’ll call it.

      • goldenprez

        The Freedom Party !!!

        Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.

        Barracudas Maximus

        Illegitimi non carborundum

      • Why should it be a new one? The Constitution Party has a good platform if you’re for putting America first instead of globalism and illegals (I do). They’re a good, traditional conservative party, if you have the guts to walk the walk.
        The Libertarians can pull out some people. Some don’t like them, but many do. They should be larger too.
        I want the Green Party to succeed too. Only fair for the alternate liberal party to gain traction as well.

    • Guest1776rcp

      They brainwashed you with ABO so they could shove Romney down the throats. The sad part is smart guys like Levin fell for it.

      You will do as your told and vote Romney, the RINOs are counting on it. Its damn near blackmail but there it is.

      • You have some room to talk calling anybody a RINO. You want Obama to win the election.

        • Guest1776rcp

          Last time I will explain this to you. I want Daffy Duck to win, that’s why I’m writing him in.

          • You said you’d rather have Obama get another term than Romney.

            • Guest1776rcp

              My vote will be counted for Daffy Duck, not Obama, not Romney as my conscious won’t let me vote for either of the progressives.

  • Don

    If the RINOs are delusional enough to think they are going to shun the Tea party supporters they are more unstable than we think. Without the Tea party, the RINOs are a pathetic third party at best. You can take McCain, Graham, Rove, Boehner, McConnell and the rest of their cowardly group and they couldn’t get elected dog catcher in a one dog town. If Romney turns on the conservatives, it will be a fatal mistake. We MUST concentrate on Congress and flush the RINOs. Having conservatives control Congress is mandatory in keeping whoever is president from further destroying our country.
    2010 AGAIN

    • Romney’s already turned on Conservatives more than once. You guys MUST vote conservative congress and senate, or we’ll be no better off with mittens.

      • No better off? That’s intellectually dishonest if you really think he’s as bad as Obama.

      • Guest1776rcp

        Leopards don’t change their spots. Anyone who thinks Romney is going to give back executive powers expanded on by Bush and Obama are delusional. He wants even more power and Ryan’s yes vote for S.679 proves Ryan’s a go along get along guy and not an actual conservative.

        • More power than Obama? Have you been even paying attention?

  • Spartan4Palin

    Everytime I watch Rove I can’t help thinking of Porky Pig. Abeed,,,,Abeed,,,,Abeed that’s all folks!!!

    This is EXACTLY why so many of us cannot get behind Romney. It has nothing to do with his religion, if that becomes an issue. If this is the issue, even before the convention gets started. It can than be considered, which is the lesser of the two evils?

    Romney picked Ryan to gain the ‘Conservative’ vote without having to officially recognize Tea Party folks. It is disgusting that we could end up back at square one because these asshats couldn’t get past their friggin’ egos to get the most disgusting and American hating president this country has had in our history?

    Karl Rove is the most inept jackass. His only saving grace that keeps him on Fox is that he can hold up a white board and spew a bunch of numbers that most people end up falling asleep listening to.

    • opinionatedhermit

      Hey Spartin,

      Great points you make.

      Karl Rove was part and parcel involved in the tanking of this Party, in the first place.

      Now, his genius includes having us believe he can save it all over again, one white board at a time …..

    • I have no sympathy for anyone who’ll withhold their vote from Romney, our last chance to beat Obama. And neither did Breitbart.

      • Guest1776rcp

        I have no sympathy for people twisting themselves into pretzels defending RINOs and doing long term damage to the conservative cause for perceived short term gain. Good luck with that.

        • You want Obama to get another term. 2016? You want that movie to become reality and want long term damage to happen to America. You can’t call anybody a RINO.

          • Guest1776rcp

            You’re an ironic individual or BORG or something, why do you keep doubling down on the marxist tactics? My goodness! Grow up!

            • Marxist tactics like America’s survival? Gee, I guess by your logic calling anybody a RINO would be “Marxist”, including Romney. And about growing up, I’m not the one who won’t try to defeat Obama because of a petty grudge.

              • Guest1776rcp

                The America won’t survive BS is just that, nonsense. I don’t hold a petty grudge against Romney, I simply don’t trust the man to do what he says since he’s willing to say anything. Romney is the RINO version of hope and change in every single way IMO. Good luck with that.

  • Spartan4Palin

    I also can’t help but think of what Palin said Saturday when she was on Fox. She made a very big point, and took a shot across the bow to the Republican leadership. ‘History is a great teacher. And if the leaders of the party don’t start listening to the people, they just might find themselves going way of the Whig party?’

  • Islam_Sucks

    And this is PROOF that Romney is totally different than Obama … yep totally different

    • You know Islam than vote for Obama okay…I am sick of this argument…GET OVER IT ALREADY!! Then sit in your little corner and go I TOLD YOU SO!! Grow up….The differences cannot be more stark….I am not sure where you live in PERFECT CANDIDATE WORLD but go manufacture someone in a lab and label: THE PERFECT CONSERVATIVE!! Okay and then be happy…I am sick of this crap. Romney is not perfect but I will darned if some self serving individual like yourself tries to tie Romney to Obama….that is pathetic and they share little if anything in common. Mitt is not as conservative as I would like at times but do I think he is Obama not even close…and if he wins Ryan will be the future and that is conservative…Mitt chose him when he could have easily chose a RINO!

      • There’s nothing wrong with pointing out mittens’s rinoism. People will vote for him, as they must, but that doesn’t mean folks can’t point out the fact that there is very little difference between rombama and obamney.

        • Guest1776rcp

          My wife is playing hardball and threatening to “cut me off” if you know what I mean. 😉 I have until the convention is over to get on board the ABO train. 🙁

          • Finrod Felagund

            Your wife is smarter than you are; listen to her.

            • Guest1776rcp

              People tell me Levin is smarter than me too but I remember the ABO meme he pushed which the RINOs used as an excuse to force Romney on us. And Yes she’s a Levin fan but she knows I was right about Mark and others parroting ABO way to soon. I’m undecided still, she is serious too. Women! 🙁

  • I hate the word operatives….first WHO ARE THEY…we get all worked up over sources that are never named and is this real? I love Levin but there is so much misinformation right now that I am reluctant to just go out on a limb. I have no doubt that there are people behind Mitt that are left wing liberals but there is a reality check. Remember these same operatives did not want Ryan either. How did that work out? Sometimes these things are floated deliberately. Rove is what he is….love him or hate him…but people here are correct without the conservatives the GOP is a joke. They face extinction if they play games….the RINOs have no power base whatsoever. If they force a choice they will be crushed….I just do not think Mitt wants that headache…I think again this is behind the scene losers that continually drum up problems.

  • jethro

    Romney is working hard to get Obama re-elected.

    • That was senile “my friends” McCain. Romney wants to win, he’s gave Obama some good hits and he’s been working for this for six years.

  • sDee

    The battle between the two parties of our politcal elite is not over central government vs limited government. The battle is over who will emerge in control of the Central Government.

    People from all parties need to start realizing is the people vs central government, and unite. The window is closing.

    • p m

      Agree. Thanks sDee for tipping us off about this coup earlier today.
      Rove and the other shadow players have chosen their time well – a time when no sane person would consider re-election of Zero an option, and others need to see salvation in R&R. Have they jumped the shark? We’ll see how well this gauntlet is picked up by the delegates tomorrow. Otherwise there’ll be a third party.

    • Guest1776rcp

      Yep! Its a game to the Really Not Conservative RNC and Dems. Its just a game of musical chairs to see wo is left sitting to be dictator when it all collapses because of the policies of both parties. The 1% is in DC not NYC.

  • Stehekin912

    Not surprised Romney operatives are behind it. Conservatives are voting for Romney because they have to, for our country. I didn’t see a listing for contacting the members from WA, so if anyone has them, please post. If I find them, I’ll post.

    Romney, don’t be another word for Tyrant. We already have one of those.

  • proudhispanicconservative

    I dont have to hear it to know that mark levin is right, and I bet that much of it is coming from the likes of bush (Jeb) this guy is one of the biggest threats to us the tea party. He is trying to present himself for a run at the white house in 2016. The most recent example was in a recent interview where he was telling the republican party how we have to change our attitude towards immigration, basically saying that because we are for legal immigration that somehow thats wrong. Jeb Bush is the next Charlie crist mark my words.

    • I liked Jeb a lot when he was our governor, but I sure wish he’d go away now and find another line of work away from politics.

      • proudhispanicconservative

        Trust me he is another rino in the waiting, and we will be waiting to have him lose like Charlie Crist.

        • I believe you. As much as I liked him before, I’d never vote for him… too much establishment. He’s been evident where his views lie since he left office.

    • I agree completely man! I can’t stand Jeb Bush! He needs to shut it!

  • Ha, I told you guys there is no hope but you wouldn’t believe me. This proves that we have turned the corner to oblivion. The corrupt powers have killed the moral, political and educational legs of our society. The financial leg is fractured and will fail within a year. After that the only salvation is the Good Lord Jesus or should he tarry an armed response to bring us back from the abyss.

    • celestiallady

      Thanks for your uplifting post!

    • mark1955

      You wouldn’t be from media matters trying to dispirit everyone would you?

    • Guest1776rcp

      The corrupt powers have killed the moral, political and educational legs of our society.

      Indeed the American voters are dumber now than in 1980 and indeed its by design. It took only four years of Carter to get a Reagan and unfortunately because of the dumbing down its going to take eight years of Obama to get our Reagan in 2016. The people who think they can primary a sitting President and win are delusional. There is nothing to fear but fear itself. Nobama will be a four year lame duck, I don’t trust Romney’s nominations for the bench and I don’t believe GOPe will repeal Obamacare because it would require them to have the balls of Nancy Pelosi and RINOs only have them balls when it comes to fighting conservatives.

  • Spartan4Palin

    I had read a few months back that when Ron Paul had faded a bit during the campaign, that many of his supporters were working feverishly to gain ground at the convention later on.

    This was just a few days ago?

    This was back in July.


    And this was interesting?


    But it would explain quite a bit as to why this rule change is happening? Does it make it right? HELL NO!!! Between Ron Paul and his wacky foreign policy, and Huckaboob in his rant about ‘bring your gods,,,,,,,,,and the establishment left his candidate bleeding on the field battle’ nonsense. It will be a shock if we can make it out of the convention without it becoming a laughing stock?

  • and so what is it exactly that this Ruling elite must have at all costs…..a continuation of open borders cheap labor supply.

  • anyonebutbarry2012

    Lead Story
    Floor fight: Grass-roots activists battle attempt to rig GOP convention delegate rules Updated

    here is the phone numbers for each state, plus the committee members info


    to contact them before tomorrow

  • Rove seems to be more of an elitist operative conniving to empower the Obama agenda which he began under George W Bush. Regardless of Rove, Obama must go along with Rove.

    • mark1955

      The “Obama agenda” and the repub establishment agenda are one and the same.

      • Why do you put Obama agenda in “quotations”?

    • PAWatcher

      All Rove’s agenda amounts to…… Jeb Bush will be president!

  • I will not vote for Romney based on this.
    As a lifelong Republican, I am ashamed at this move. This move alone proves the Democrats thoughts that Romney is for the rich only. The working man and Man on the ground is now being shunned.

    • So, you’re voting for obama? Come on folks …

      We can’t risk having Obama win! We won’t have a country in 4 more years! Vote Romney – or at least vote Paul Ryan. We must win this election …

      Then, we can turn all of our attention on cleaning out the GOP. We don’t need a new party … we just need to flush this one out real good! We’re already taking seats, and in 2014, we can take a lot more.

      Be patient … the reward will be sooooooo sweet!!

    • proudhispanicconservative

      It has been amended, the romney and the rnc backed out.

  • sjmom

    It’s time for a third party; the Consrvative Party and to the the GOP to take a hike! They could not win without us or our money.

    • StrangernFiction

      It’s time for secession, but I’m down with a third party as well.

      • Is_Sense_Common

        If Barry’s re-elected, I sincerely do look for a secession. Arizona for one. How many states will the Federal Gov’t declare war on before they render themselves more a liability to the States and not an asset?

  • Romney is the anesthesia the RNC will use to cut off the legs of America!

  • Linky1

    Mittens’ true colours, along with the RINOS that got him to where he is now, are showing.

    So much for “We, the People.”

  • bjohnson55

    You Rino’s had better rethink and I mean fast. I will not tolerate this kind of garbage, I have worked long and hard to help get Romney where he is now. If you pull this kind of low life garbage then I and allot like me are out of here. I will vote third party this time around if this is not changed and I mean NOW!!!!

    • proudhispanicconservative

      Its been amended

      • bjohnson55

        Whew that was close, almost had to break out the big can of ugly.

  • StrangernFiction

    It isn’t about R vs. D.

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    Thanks Mitt. Just when the go along crowd here and everywhere was starting to convince people that we should submit to their “reality”, you and the RNC wake us up to the real deal…….Defeat the Tea Party and Sarah Palin is job ONE beating Obama is secondary. Know your enemies!!

    • proudhispanicconservative

      Its sad but he didnt get away with it, there is a lot of power in the grassroot movement, they just feel threatened by how little they matter to us americans that have seen how terrible they the rinos have led this nation when given the chance, (Bush) need I say more?

      • It is not over yet, there seems to be more talking. Michelle has an update that I posted below.

        • proudhispanicconservative


    • mark1955

      Yes! MITTEN’S/Jeb/Rove and the GOPe,think they are going to make up for the loss of the Conservative base,by replacing it with the illegal alien mexican vote. That’s also the way Jeb and then his son,George P., think they are going to carry the Bush dynasty into eternity.

  • proudhispanicconservative

    It was amended, thank god, and thank Texas who as always was the leader here, and also Mark Levin for bringing it to the forefront.

    • anyonebutbarry2012

      michelle malkin sent out the phone numbers of every states State Republican Party Headquarters office she also listed all the state Rules Committee Members, phone numbers and emails. so everyone could contact them . she worked hard on this.
      constituents all over worked hard on this. Myself contacted my rules committee members. Tea party in georgia sent out letters. Right scoop, c4p, had threads on this.
      so many were the leaders here, including, Mark Levin

      • proudhispanicconservative

        Yes, I forgot Michelle(great patriot)she is always working hard for us, Scoop another great web page. And let me tell you thank god for the internet in another time this would’ve never been brought to the forefront if it wasnt for us on the Web.
        Shame on Romney, and all the rinos in power that tried to pull a fast one on us, just when we were getting more pumped up for the convention. But despite all of this lets not lose focus, our main objective for now is defeating Obama.

        • anyonebutbarry2012

          great post, exactly right 🙂

    • It might have been amended, but that doesn’t change much…. the GOP are still anti we the people, anti tea party and pro government control. But, at least it may have woken some folks up who might have believed mittens is better than dear leader.

  • weird stuff…

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    Deal was amended but the true colors are visible for all to see. Delegates still have reduced liberty to change their vote at Convention if anything has changed or come to light since the primaries, several months before.

  • I see the RNC remains clueless.

  • I read about it the other day. Doesn’t surprise me. This is like a mittens executive order already. I’m completely disgusted with the GOP establishment and I hope we have a third party right after the elections. I’ve been done with republicans since the last election.

    • proudhispanicconservative

      A third party will give the dems more power, what we have to continue to do is to keep electing great candidates (no Rinos) and before you know it the republican party is going to be called the Tea Party.

      • p m

        The point of this attempted rule change is to disqualify candidates by disqualifying the delegates. No good electing Tea Party and true Conservative candidates if you can’t even get them in the house.

        • Then we start using common sense, and instead of going around, we go through.

          “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

          As far as I’m concerned, Pelosi is just as wrong about this, as she is, everything else: the People DO have the power to recall sitting, national congressmen, and that is precisely what we need to start doing. ASAFP. We need to start with spineless punks like Speaker Boner, his flying monkey Cantor, and continue down the list. EACH and EVERY single member of the Republican establishment needs to be dishonorably drummed out of service, and everybody needs to see it happen.

          • The problem with this is that the people of those districts. Are they really going to do just this. There was no challenges from others over the leadership. The best way now would be to kick Boehner out of the Speakership. It would prove how entrenched all the GOP’ers are and see if they are really willing to stand for the Constitution over their own re-election.

          • The problem with this is that the people of those districts. Are they really going to do just this. There was no challenges from others over the leadership. The best way now would be to kick Boehner out of the Speakership. It would prove how entrenched all the GOP’ers are and see if they are really willing to stand for the Constitution over their own re-election.

          • Gee…I don’t like Boehner, but no mentioning about recalling Democrats like Pelosi and Rangel and the others?

    • Like our friend p m said. And we need to remember how they have derailed many desired tea party candidates already. They’ve been manipulating every race for at least a few years. After what they did the last election, the congressional ones, what they did to Sharron Angle and others, by not supporting them. I mean she was up against Harry Reid of all people, and was winning! They didn’t support her one bit! They preferred harry. What they did to Sarah Palin when she was VP candidate, what they’re doing to Michelle Bachmann now…. we can’t have much of a chance to get tea party conservatives in because the establishment doesn’t want them in.

      • p m

        Hi AbiC – have missed you and other favourite posters on some of the R&R articles – perhaps because discretion is the better part of valour? Forgive me if that is presumptious. I support R&R as a means of slowing down the rot, not stopping it and frankly, how could it be better to abstain or vote for another four years of zero?
        Yet the only option for the future is a party that can serve what I see as the majority of deeply decent Americans, that is, people who know right from wrong and haven’t succumbed to the societal brainwashing and DOE indoctrination that started after WW2.

        Is there a chance for that to happen by 2016, and to enlist the Palins, Bachmanns, Wests and Cruzes? Or will there just be a huge sigh of relief when R&R get elected, and will people forget the constitutional knowledge they’ve gained this cycle and relinquish their future to the latest elites? I believe even the GOPe has long known this year would see a landslide for the reps. and that was why they behaved as they did for Romney in the primaries, why they shut out Angle and O’Donnell in 2010 and why this attempted rule change happened now to shut out Tea Party and other Conservatives and Constitutionalists.

        As a comparative novice about US politics, I wonder, is a third party a realistic option when all one hears about is the rock solid power of the two entrenched, but not so different parties? Can we hope, do you think? I know in the UK, the UK Independent Party has being gaining ground in the face of equally ineffective and undifferentiated parties, but it’s been a long slog for them. Offsetting that is the full-on rot there has been on full view for far longer than here, plus the unique vibrancy of US politics. Can we hope?

        (Hope you and yours are safe, and not being waterlogged by Isaac.)

        • Hi p m! Excellent points, and I don’t know. I really don’t. I’ve been trying to stay away from commenting on the R/R threads, because I let my frustration and disgust show too much I think. But I still don’t know all the ins and outs of American politics myself. I only have been able to vote once in my life, back home when I turned 18, there was a Prime Minister election year. Canada had 3 parties then (maybe still do, I’m not sure) I voted for the Conservative party, because even back then I couldn’t stand socialists or democrats, and those were the choices. But even the conservatives were not, so in essence, I had to plug my nose for my very first time voting, so it seems even though I can’t vote now, 20 some years later, folks are still having to plug noses and it just disgusts me. I don’t know what the answer is, other than plug, and pray. And not necessarily in that order. I’ve been praying for years for this country. My hope lies in Jesus, but I hope also that something good can come out of our politics while I wait for our real Savior 😉

          Thank you for your kind words. We did get some floods, but we needed it, so I’m happy. I just hope it doesn’t hit the northern gulf too hard.

          Have a Blessed day my friend!

          • p m

            Thanks for taking the time to reply, and for letting us know you are well and safe. I guess we none of us know what will happen, so you are wise to plug and pray – hoping if enough of us do that it’ll work. Good night, and stay well.

      • We’ll still be able to stack Congress with Tea Partiers, with or without their worthless help. It’s unfortunate some didn’t who should have (thanks to voter fraud or heavily blue states), but a lot of others got through. Mourdock and Cruz for example are going to go through. If what you’re saying is always true about them succeeding in derailing them, the Tea Party caucus wouldn’t have formed and Reps. like West and Sens. like Paul, Lee and Toomey for example wouldn’t have won.

  • Everybody that likes losing freedoms, thank a rom-bot. This is the SECOND TIME he’s made an assault on American freedom and society, even without being in political office.

  • Is_Sense_Common

    Keep it up Republicans. Soon you’ll be the 3rd party.

  • opinionatedhermit

    Republican vs. Democrat = Bloods vs. Crips

    If they cared about you, they would listen to you.

    I liked how Jonah Goldberg put it a few months ago. If my memory serves correct, it went something like this: Voting for Romney is more akin to a “transaction” in order to gain something you need. Or, better said: It isn’t love driving this transaction. But rather an act that moves you forward to a position in life that is more tolerable.

    Because of this, I too will be voting for Romney. But, I hold ZERO illusions of what the leadership of the Republican Party is all about. This is a war between elites in this party and evidently we are the fodder according to them.

    But, and this is the main point: if they think that edging out grass roots efforts is the answer that grass roots voters are going to ultimately accept, they really are as stupid as they are corrupt.

    But, hey. These are the same people who have lectured us to go back to “Mordor” while increasing the national debt with no checks in place to Obama. No budget offered to the American People. Just a bunch of disparaging remarks, from a bunch of old and cranky Senators, just so they can pocket some spending cash.

    Because, while I don’t speak for others. I can assure the leadership of this party that I remember, quite well, the embezzlement of millions of dollars that went on within the National Republican Leadership.

    Remember Levin: Support the Campaign directly. Do not give the leadership your proxy, EVER. And do not expect them to do anything other than their own bidding.

    • Who was Jonah Goldberg’s candidate anyways? NRO was very pro-Romney during the primaries, and they and him came down hard on “zany” Gingrich.

  • 01_Explorer_01

    Mess with Conservatives and you will have a third party Preibus.

    • Landscaper


  • Betsey_Ross

    Be careful R’s. This rule change could still end in bad news for the party. Grass roots are not in the mood for this kind of nonsense. Conservatives are going to fight it every where it raises its ugly head. I know I’m itching for a reason to go to another party that actully takes the Constitution and holds reverence for it. Don’t give me a reason to leave. I’m not the only one.

    • Landscaper

      BR, a split now would be a repeat of the 3rd party Ross Perot helping getting Clinton elected by splitting the vote. Does anyone want Obama back? We have time to deal with the RNC later. If all this is over Ron Paul, to heck with him, Obama has to go.

      • I am not so certain we will have that much time. If this is how Mitt is treating the grass-roots, how slow do you think he really desires to go over the cliff? Even at half the speed of Obama, it is way too fast.

        • Landscaper

          You dodged the question. Romney or Obama? It’s a simple question. Which one?

          • I did not know that there was a question in the first place. Sorry about that. The answer right now is neither. I do not buy into the fallacy that “a vote not for Mitt is a vote for Obama”.

            I am one sold on the idea that I must vote my conscience. I did vote for Palin last time around, but am not willing to vote just for the VP. Mitt at best is a chameleon as we see here with his desire to squash the Tea Party and align himself with the “Establishment”.

            Fortunately for all those opposed to the idea of voting according to conscience, I do live in what is turning out to probably be a very red state this go around (I will be voting for the conservative people on the ticket). Since I am a firm believer that the person who will be president is already been appointed by the Almighty, I am very free to vote as I intend without suffering from any lack of sleep by searing my conscience.

            Again, sorry for not seeing your question earlier. I was not trying to back away from it.

        • Landscaper

          You dodged the question. Romney or Obama? It’s a simple question. Which one?

  • Mitt Romney won the nomination fairly and democratically. Get over it, Ron Paul lunatics. Ron Paul isn’t a grassroots conservative. He’s an extremist with liberal views on many issues. Santorum, Gingrich, and everyone else has accepted the results. You aren’t any more important than the rest of us, Ron Paul.

    • jlw7895

      I guess being in China, you miss a lot of news! There wasn’t a state primary that Mitt didn’t trample the rules in, most he just straight up strong armed people and even resorted to physical violence in some, all while being pushed by the liberal media! There was NOTHING fair or democratic about Mitts “win”.

      • The rules were abided by in each primary. Additionally, it would have been Gingrich and Santorum who were hurt, not Paul, if Romney cheated. Paul finished well behind both of them.

  • Landscaper

    I saw this thread and found a web article. The fuss started with the Texas delegation and some Ron Paul hold-outs and took off from there? Scoop?

    • KenInMontana

      Pretty much, it was the RNC’s over-reaction to threats of an attempt to hijack the nomination process by diehard Ron Paul supporters. The RP camp has been threatening this since early in the GOP primaries.

      • It may be an over-reaction or taking advantage of the making of a possible crises. Hmmm, taking advantage of a crises, where have I heard that one before……

        • Landscaper

          Yes, our current crises in the oval office.

          • Yes, I am fully aware…it just seems to be a bit ironic that the RINO’s and the Dem’s are playing from the same playbook.

      • Landscaper

        Thanks Ken. In an earlier thread Paul was scorched over his foriegn policy views. Did this become a Ron Paul love fest? Seems like sore losers………

      • By “hijack” do you mean a bunch of grassroots activists being more informed, more organized, more passionate and showing up in greater numbers? That kind of “hijack?”

        Or do you mean “hijack” like manipulating the RNC Rules Committee with a bunch of unelected, beltway, insider $500/hour lawyers to be sure that grassroots activism means nothing in the GOP?

        As far as I’m concerned, the GOP was hijacked by beltway RINOs circa 2000 and we had John McCain and now Mitt Romney to show for it.

        • KenInMontana

          By hijack, I mean using a loophole to go against the expressed will of the voters. The time for grassroots to be heard was at the ballot box, that time has past in the primaries. The move by Paul supporters comes off as nothing more than sour grapes.

  • MerlePearl

    Does anyone know which individuals were behind this?

    • Seabee

      Mitt is behind this.

    • This is an article I read Saturday… explains it pretty well. http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/romney-executes-republican-party-power-grab

      • Sadly, it would seem that the adage, “you get what you pay for” is coming home to roost.

        I have never been a fan or supporter of Mitt Romney, but I must say that I had never seen this coming. One does wish that if Mitt is so ruthless in house why he seems to refrain when he opens the door.

        • I have to admit, when I was researching him during the primaries, and he was my last choice other than Huntsman and Paul, there was more than enough that I couldn’t stand about him. Now that he’s “the one”, it’s a bitter thing to swallow. I agree with something White5 said the other night, and have been thinking much the same thing… we get the leader we deserve… well, I do believe we’ve gotten the choices we deserve, and either way, it ain’t gonna be pretty. What is easier to take, instant death by dear leader, or death of a thousand cuts by mittens. Oh I pray Jesus comes soon.

          • I am too praying ABC. It seems that conservatives may never see another restful day in the political realm as long as we believe we can transform the GOP. I think that this is another wake-up call.

          • You got the one the establishment wanted… a set up to lose to Obama…the people wanted someone else… tomorrow we shall see who the delegates want 😉 I am betting it won’t be Rmoney when the dust settles!

        • I saw it coming, and I have said so, more than once. WILLARD is not a Conservative, and no friend to the Republic. He has pushed socialism, and virtually everything I’ve despised in Obama’s governance, WILLARD did, first. This is the second time he’s made an assault on America’s freedom, without even getting into the Oval Office. Like I said: if you like losing your freedom, thank a rom-bot. There’s plenty of them, here.

          • Granted, I knew about Mitt’s lack of any credentials of conservatism with his love for Romneycare and being from Mass. However, in trying to railroad those who even voted for this man. My goodness, he is a nut.

          • NHConservative0221


            I was the biggest Palin supporter you could find, but then she didn’t run (she was really the only one who could’ve stopped Romney).

            Then I supported Cain, then Bachmann, then Santorum. I was anyone but Romney or RuPaul.

            I and many on here, lost. Romney won.

            And I’m smart enough to realize that Romney ain’t no hardcore marxist.

            Sitting at home saying they both suck ain’t going to fix anything, it’ll just make it so America is lost for good.

            SO nice job surrendering there virus, I’m sure the Founders would be really proud!

          • ryanomaniac

            And I’ll say that if you want to lose your freedom vote for Obama. Romney was no ones first choice but does that matter now? Win the Senate. More conservatives in the house. That’s how you make sure the things you listed don’t come to pass.

  • DRW1960

    Romney Campaign and Activists Reach Compromise on Delegate Rule


  • Just read this update at michellemalkin.com

    Update: 10:53pm Eastern…So here’s the upshot. As you read above in Drew’s summary, grass-roots activists revolted over Rule 15 (the delegate selection provision to be renumbered Rule 16) and Rule 12 (the power grab that would allow the RNC to make executive convention rule changes and rewrite the rules between conventions without any input/consultation with grass-roots, delegates, or state leadership on hand).

    A source tells me the situation on the ground and in delegate meetings right now is “tense” and “dynamic.” A very healthy alternative to stale, apathetic, passive, and static. This is a showdown worth having — the flexing of Tea Party/grass-roots muscle is a reminder that the rank-and-file are a force never to be taken for granted.

    As long as the proposed Rule 12 remains in place, this “deal” or “compromise” should be a no-go. Don’t back down, activists!

  • I was ready to hold my nose and vote for Mitt, now he’s making it harder with this rule change… Mitt is trying to help Obama getting re-elected.

  • Nice try RINOs but Texas said hell no we would fight it on the floor if we had to!

    • Martin2717

      Gotta love my state.

  • After this election, it’s time to go rogue and create a new party!

  • I don’t go as far as Levin does. Romney wants this because the Ron Paul nutters are making a distraction.

  • Another update from michellemalkin.com. Please forgive me Scoop for the length.

    Just as an update, it’s been a busy evening as you’ve probably gathered. It looks like there’s an acceptable compromise on the table on rule 15/16, but nothing yet on them pulling back the new “rule 12″, which lets the RNC change the rules between conventions.
    They try to sell this to people with the idea that it is a high bar (75%), but a few things:

    1) As longtime conservative activist and RNC committeeman from VA Morton Blackwell points out, this is no safeguard, because the chairman generally gets whatever the chairman wants. No disrespect intended to Priebus in that, but who knows who the next chairman may be. He points out that the chair always has lots of favors to give away.
    2) The RNC has never had this power before (with the minor exception limited to the fixing of the primary calendar issue in 2008 in order to coordinate w/various state governments and Democrats). Rule making authority has ALWAYS been with the convention…and it remains set for 4 years…so ALL campaigns or potential campaigns konw what the rules will be. If the RNC has this authority, it will soon become a battleground for various presidential contenders looking to monkey with the rules to give themselves a leg up over the competition.
    3) If this is so necesary for some specific purpose, why not limit it to that purpose? Kind of makes you wonder…

    Bottom line, everyone I’ve talked to so far is holding fast on objecting to Rule 12 and supportive of a minority report…as well as having the states necessary to require a roll call vote on it if necessary.

    All that needs to happen to turn this off is for them to agree to pull this rule back at the same time they move the compromise on Rule 15/16. Then we can all go have a beer can celebrate and then start focusing on fighting Democrats.
    Please encourage people to continue to contact Rules Committee members and party leaders and keep the pressure on opposing Rule 12.

  • Landscaper

    Attention Ron Paul supporters: He IS NOT running against Obama. Take your lunch boxes and go home children. If you are older than 21 get some cheese to go with your “whine”. The task at hand is to DEFEAT Obama.

    • Huh??? There has been no one on this thread supporting RP, but many anti RP’s that seem to think this is all about RP. It is about the “party insiders” trying to take it to the grass-roots.

    • jlw7895

      Remember that come Nov. 7th. There is NO WAY Mitt beats Obama, you can’t beat a liberal progressive with a moderate progressive! When Mitt loses this for us true conservatives, YOU “Take your lunch box and go home child. If you are older than 21 get some cheese to go with your “whine”.” YOU probably voted for this gun grabbing, abortion defending, gay marriage promoting, socialized health care supporting, liberal judge appointing, tax increasing, Constitution despising, Liberal Progressive that is Willard Mitt Romney!

      • No way he can beat Obama huh? Is that you, Meghan McCain?

  • Good for delegates.

  • Good for delegates.

  • This is really intended at stopping the Ron Paul brigade, who tend to show up at state conventions and subvert the will of the primary electorate by nominating Paul-supporting delegates. It is a significant problem for the party, although it will probably not last another cycle, as Paul is finally getting too old to run.

    • It seems to be more of an over-reach, overly reacting to this whole scenario to try to remove the Tea Party from having a voice. I think Michelle M. wraps it up best.

  • I’m within a fraction of a millimeter of leaving GOP and registering Independent (or something else), rather than continue to allow RINO sobs any more influence than they already have and do not deserve. Mark, as usual is spot-on right.

  • It really takes something when Mark Levin defends Ron Paul.

  • The DNC successfully nullified Randall Terry’s delegates also.
    Maybe this is old news because of the settlement, but still.

  • No_RINOs_Please

    If Flip Robme is elected and essentially continues business as usual, doing little to undo what Obummer has done, and fails to take a buzz saw to federal spending and regulations, we will face another credit crisis that will dwarf 2008. Whoever is in the White House at that time, their party will be shellacked in the 2014 midterms.

    What’s worse: Obummer remaining in office another four years, with a veto-proof Republican majority in both houses of Congress elected as a result in 2014; or, electing Mittwitt and watching Nancy Pelousy reclaiming the Speaker’s gavel in the House in Jan. 2015?

    • How do you possibly think there will be a veto-proof Republican majority in both houses of Congress if Obama wins? I cannot envision any scenario where that would happen. All of the libertarians/conservatives/Paulbots/etc. etc. etc. posting on this page that are pissed at Romney and the GOP are not going to vote for Romney but are going to vote for GOP REPS & SENATORS???? Besides, I don’t think there are enough senators up for re-election in this one cycle to turn the tide all the way to a veto-proof majority. With the mess Akin created, a 51-49 majority is in jeopardy.

      • Akin may have stepped in it but it is the RNC that is perpetuating the mess. Talk about being dismal. No one I know is disengaged from the need for conservatives to take the House and Senate and will vote down ticket whether they vote for the person on top or not.

    • Guest1776rcp

      I concur, Romney and the GOPe lead by Boehner and McConnell is replay of Bush years where congress rubber stamps their President. No thanks! Heard that tune before and they doubled the debt, expanded the size and scope of government, expanded entitlements and didn’t fund it etc…. Romney will get us Hillary in 2016 and possibly as you pointed out with a Dem controlled congress.

    • No RINOs huh? That’s an ironic name since you’re CHEERING on Obama to win.

    • Already posted, nvm.

  • TJinNJ

    Didn’t Prebus go on Levin’s Show last week and a lovefest insued? It’s the RINO infiltration of Republican Party and DoorMitt is an example of that.

  • Scoop…

    There’s a new update. Take a look at Michelle Malkin’s article:


    Or here:


    Bottom line:

    Rule 12 is still in play. It MUST be stricken. It’s a power grab that would allow the RNC to make executive convention rule changes and rewrite the rules between conventions without any input/consultation with grassroots, delegates, or state leadership on hand…which of course negates any victory from the so-called compromise since the RNC can just change it on its own later on back to whatever it wants.

    Information at both those links on contacting State Rules Committee members. Call/email them and urge them to oppose Rule 12!

    Please everyone…call RNC Chairman’s office:


  • I’ve been saying this and saying this and now here we are. Don’t accept this is a done deal! They are pushing conservatives out of the party. Someone who does this doesn’t get my vote. The primaries were rigged from the very beginning and the real candidate that can fix this country, Newt Gingrich, was pushed out.

    I hope all of you Romney fans love your candidate because he’s nothing but a crook who wants power. I no longer belong to this party.

    • Newt and the others all understand how important it is to get Obama out of the White House.

  • Romney cannot beat Obama. He has been on the same side as Obama on many issues. Hope all of you are satisfied what you have done.

  • Guest1776rcp

    Seems Mr Romney is just like BushObama and wants all the power in his hands.

    So glad I decided not to defend RINOs.

    • stevenbiot

      We get it. You are clairvoyant and omnipotent. Instead of getting on every thread and repeating yourself, just sum it up here, so we don’t have to hear it anymore. We all know Romney is a liberal. He’s what we got. If you are so smart, try and understand that Romney is less dangerous to the economy than Obama. We aren’t supporting him because he’s the messiah. We are supporting him because he’s less destructive than Obama. That’s it!

      • Guest1776rcp

        The economy? I’m not as worried as you are because I understand its the uncertainty of O-care causing much of the problem with employment. No matter who wins there will finally be certainty on O-Care and the hiring will commence. Personally I don’t believe the GOPe is capable of repealing it because it would require them to use the Dems tactics against them and RINOs don’t have Nancy Pelosi’s balls. They’re more the spinless jellyfish types.

  • stevenbiot

    This guy is bad news. I’ve always despised him. He dismissed Reagan, implemented Obamacare, small scale, and will not repeal the Affordable Care Act. Although we are screwed, he will extend the Bush tax cuts and be unquestionably better than Obama on the economy. Beyond that, Obama and Romney are brothers from different mothers.

  • stevenbiot

    Romney knows he’s got conservative and Tea Party votes, no matter what. There is no need for him to pretend to be conservative anymore.

    • he doesn’t have all of us yet. if this rule change happens he will lose millions of us and he will be sitting home wondering what he did to lose the race.

      • stevenbiot

        I hope he doesn’t lose millions of us. If people can’t discern between voting for someone that will provide a sure death for this country and someone that is a lukewarm republican, we are already up the creek without a paddle. Nobody’s worse than Obama on the economy.

  • There’s no deal on Rule 12. Until that’s resolved, the whole premise of the Chronicle article is a distraction. Rule 12 allows them to change the rule any time they like. Worse, by continuing to run with this Chronicle “deal” story, people are fueling the misinfo.


  • sameolbs

    It is too bad that Romney is corrupt or at the very least his employees are; Romney may just be ignorant. Either way, it doesn’t look good. I cannot throw my support behind a candidate that endorses this type of behavior. It really does look bad. It looks like I’ll have to vote 3rd party or not vote at all since the two party system is corrupt.

  • Guest1776rcp

    Rhetorically speaking the writing is on the wall people, don’t be POed when Romney is lining conservatives up against the wall and people like me are STH saying we told you so.

    • stevenbiot

      Who on this site believes Romney is the conservative savior? You are preaching to the choir. Between Romney and Obama, Romney is clearly a better alternative.

      • Guest1776rcp

        Voting the lesser of two evils is exactly how this country got to this point in the first place. My conscious tells me Romney is wrong choice if I ever want to see an actual conservative in the WH.

        Isaiah 46:9-10

        • If you follow God’s word, you’re take a devout Christian (Romney) over someone who’s fanatically for killing babies and violating his laws (Obama).

          • Guest1776rcp

            Well actually….

            Galatians 1

            No Other Gospel

            6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

            …I think Paul just described Joseph Smith to a tee. But what ever, Romney’s progressiveness coupled with a RINO controlled RNC willing to please is my problem with Mitt, not his religion.

  • Guest1776rcp

    I’m not sure yet but I’m seriously considering calling my wife’s bluff and the RINOs bluff and just writing in Daffy Duck rather than go against my instincts and vote for Rinomney.

    Isaiah 46:9-10

    • stevenbiot

      “Daffy Duck?” So, to prove you are pure, you are going to do something moronic and illogical? I Hope Daffy comes out on top. But, statistically speaking, write-ins don’t tend to win. Although, when America gets downgraded a couple more times, and entitlements grow, I will remember that you were right.

      • Guest1776rcp

        Yep! The country is twice as dumb as it was in 1980 and its going to take eight years of Carter this time to get our Reagan in 2016. I know one thing for sure, we won’t get a Reagan in 2016 if Romney is elected and most likely we get a Hillary win or worse. No thanks! I’m fighting to win the war and not betting the whole thing on the battle for Romney because in the long term it hinders not helps the conservative cause. My opinion I could be wrong.

        • So you’re explicitly cheering on Obama to win? NO. You’re the RINO.

          • Guest1776rcp

            Not quite, silly man. We just happen to disagree on how to get an actual conservative in the WH in 2016.

            The best I can do for Romney is support his reelection in 2016 if he turns out to be the extreme conservative he claims to be, instead of the big government solutions can be run more efficiently pol he is. Call it “trust but verify” if you will. 😉

            • We won’t survive another Obama term. He wants to fundamentally remake America and he’ll make America cease to exist. If it makes you feel better though, if Romney gets in and becomes really unpopular with both sides like Lyndon Johnson was after his first term, he might face a real primary challenge, decide it’s not worth it and not run again.

              • Guest1776rcp

                AMerica survived civil war, FDR’s socialist policies and 90% tax rate, Carter etc… and will survive Obama. Besides the world is going to end on Dec 21 this year….just ask the Mayans.

                Obviously I don’t trust progressive Romney with the RNC RINOs willing to please and appease their new President, you apparently do. Good for you.

  • Here’s the deal, for me: I have communicated my displeasure (via the “Levin Surge”) over this issue. I also noted that I am an active Romney volunteer (because we MUST replace Obama) – and I’ll vote for Romney, no question – but I will NOT volunteer for his campaign EVER again, nor will I make a donation to the campaign should this coup take place. Period. The conservatives are the MAJORITY of this party, and to shut us out, after forcing us to swallow Romney’s nomination is the ULTIMATE middle-finger-showing.

    Now, I’m no Nero.. I won’t stand there and watch Rome burn. But the RNC isn’t leaving us much choice, now are they??

    We’re sitting on a keg of powder, and there’s Obama holding the match… And instead of rallying to not only blow out the match, but tackle the guy holding it, the RNC is handing him (and his progressive friends) kindling and lighter fluid.

    Good God Almighty.

    • sameolbs

      The damage by the Romney campaign has already been done. He showed his cards and what he truly represents and now he and his campaign are backpedaling. It may be politics as usual and maybe all politicians do it, but most of us are disgusted with this type of behavior.

    • The drama queens who won’t vote for Romney and are cheering on Obama? They’re the RINOs and they’re letting Rome burn. I have no sympathy for them, and neither does any other true conservative.

  • MiketheMarine

    I hate the RNC establishment exactly as much as I hate the DNC. They really ARE the same in their intentions of taking over the country and your money.

    • Debbie Wasserman Schultz is an especially vile person. Listen to her talk and you might change your mind. Preibus looks so nice compared to her.

  • bygeorge

    I’m sorry Carolyn Dixon, but Mickey Mouse is not running. I will vote for anyone except Obama and Romney will do just fine.

    • go right ahead and vote for the power hungry rino who will lose in november. I for one after he and his team have done this to get rid of conservatives and tea party supporters supporters will not pull the lever for him or obama. constitution party gets my vote.

      • Virgil Goode was a heavy earmarker when he was in the House.

      • It’s time to lock and load

  • jlw7895

    This idiotic power grab is making me have second thoughts on Mitt Romney! This is a “hill to die on!” Kind of makes one wish a covert delegate mutiny would dump Romney and nominate a true conservative!

  • Reckoner_3

    Ridiculous power hungry, egos. Rove’s fingerprints are on this from the Romney kabal

  • Constance

    So, am I to understand that Mitt Romney and his operatives are attempting to shut out the conservative base here? Cool. Don’t expect me to show up and vote, Mitt. And, I won’t.

    • Then you’re cheering on Obama. Listen to Breitbart on this when he was at CPAC this February and listen GOOD. False doctrine angered him, me, and Jesus too when he drove the moneychangers out of the temple.

  • KenInMontana

    Boy Howdy, did this turn into “the thread of the long knives” or what?

    • Let’s hope everyone got it out of their systems so we don’t have to keep seeing it all during the campaign.


    OF COURSE the RINOs were going to try to hijack the convention. Even if they do get away with some stuff, they won’t win. There is too strong a conservative base now and there are too many vocal and believable people speaking out.

    Let us stick to our guns!!

  • I was going to voat for Romney but not now.All on they’re no more help from me.I’m finished with the rep & dems