By The Right Scoop


Harold, Texas started the Guardian Plan back in 2007 to allow teachers to carry concealed weapons. Superintendent David Thweatt says that the school personnel considers themselves the first responders and they want to be there to protect their children.

Of course, they are getting a lot of attention now:

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  • Rshill7

    Michigan house and senate just passed a bill enabling those with some extra training to carry in schools and churches but the governor is getting tremendous heat to not sign it. Calls coming in from all over the country to him. Hopefully, sanity prevails over lunacy, and you all know which side is which don’t ya’.

    • Rshill7

      Dagnabbit, he just vetoed it.

      Long live the sitting duck zones?

      Would that millions more people had far less capacity for irrational thought and the ridiculous conclusions which grow from them.

      • Orangeone

        Take out the schools and it will pass. Can you imagine Detroit teachers having loaded guns in classrooms? I would veto the bill too.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwWW2DQS_DU Booker T.

        The issue is way too hot now. I kinda of understand where he is coming from. Maybe at a later time.

    • http://www.facebook.com/paul.christian.942 librtifirst

      Is there actually a law that prohibits them in churches?

      • Rshill7

        According to my in-the-know peeps you can still open carry in churches…and in schools where they “allow it” (individual district decision), also the Governor, I just learned, did not veto the entire bill, just the concealed in school and church part. When I find out for certain, will post it somewhere.

  • MiketheMarine

    Somehow, it doesn’t surprise me that this started in Texas and I think most Texans can handle the responsibility. I don’t feel the same way about any teachers in new england, however.

    • maynardb50

      Does that mean you and this old Texas soldier vet are okay now? I know we are on the same page from most of your posts. Keep it up Marine.

      • MiketheMarine

        The old Texan Vet and this old MD Vet are now and for always will be beyond good. We are a simple band of bad assed Brothers.

        And, In these times, we truly need one another. No worries, my Dear Friend. I am simply out of sorts with this event. I can’t do what I feel comes naturally and that is to arm up and kill the threat. I feel completely helpless and don’t like feeling this way. I’ve never felt like this before and am having trouble with it. I will, however, overcome.

        • maynardb50

          I realize it is close for you (geographically) and media wise, which makes it worse.
          Non-stop video, etc. Don’t let it wear you down. I’m not going to run out and join a militia just YET (although I have been invited). Stay tuned.

          • MiketheMarine

            Hahaha, I’m not writting another other than that tho. I woke up grumpy today and shall keep my yap shut mostly today, I think

        • axmickl

          Lets see if you still feel like arming-up and killing the threat when they come to collect your guns.

          • Orangeone

            Are you asking if he would arm up and kill the threat who is taking his guns?

            • axmickl

              yes

    • aZjimbo

      Because they are a bunch of liberal wussies.

      • Orangeone

        And not worth defending w/conceal & carry if someone is trying to do them bodily harm. I for one will not risk being sued for defending a liberal.

    • Kelly60

      As a matter of fact, the student Senate at Texas A&M has initiated the call to carry again on campus…it will probably pass…already got my girls their permits and armed.

      • Orangeone

        Excellent!

    • Kelly60

      As a matter of fact, the student Senate at Texas A&M has initiated the call to carry again on campus…it will probably pass…already got my girls their permits and armed.

    • Orangeone

      Or the midwest. Union thugs with guns in classrooms filled with impressionable children, whatever could go wrong.

  • Joseph ewing

    Arm the teachers. If they don’t want to do that, hire a retired cop to be armed and patrol the school. There’s plenty of them, and the cost would be well worth it.

    • Orangeone

      Best to hire the experts to do what they’ve been trained to do, retired law enforcement and vets. TX is the only exception because they all grow up with and respect guns.

      • XXIIFan

        Don’t get me wrong. I love Texas, but they don’t all grow up with and respect guns. There are plenty of goof balls in the Lone Star State.

        • Orangeone

          Are they CA exports???  That would explain it.  I love TX too but the nutcases are leaving CA for TX by the bucketload now that they’ve ruined the sunshine state.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Kawasaki/1798183858 Dave Kawasaki

            Plenty of CA ex-pats in Austin. Blame Dell.

            • Pyrran

              Amen to that. I was born here in Austin, or Moscow on the Colorado as I call it, and if it isn’t Californians it’s Agenda 21 cyclists, or environmental idiots coming in and screwing up what used to be a very nice place to live. I am planning a move away from this insanity while I still have the money to do it with.

  • NJK

    Pilots were armed until Jimmy Carter came into office. If they were still permitted to carry weapons on 9/11, it probably wouldn’t have happened.

    • badbadlibs

      Ever wonder how people like carter (and I use the word people loosely) sleep at night?

  • NJK

    Yes, we all think the only responsible people to carry firearms is the govt., right?
    What is an assault weapon? The II Amendment protects citizens from any ban on weapons.

    I think it’s Obama and Holder that need to be banned from weapons. I certainly hope that the shooting in AZ and CT weren’t a continuation of a Fast and Furious operation? Are there any ties to Obama of this shooting in CT? He is friends with William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn? I heard the hard drive of the shooter’s computer was destroyed and they can’t get any information. That’s kind of odd, isn’t it? That doesn’t seem normal for a young guy that age, to destroy his own hard drive. Usually they sort of flaunt what they’ve done?

    I just heard on Rush that one of Obama and Holder’s Fast and Furious AK-47’s that they sold to the drug cartels in Mexico, killed a beauty queen from Mexico. She was used as a human shield. Obama and Holder committed this crime, to make it appear as though legally bought guns in AZ, were sold to drug cartels to murder people.

    They were attempting to frame Americans, and have murdered over 300 people, including two Federal Agents. Gee, you would think that would lead to impeachment wouldn’t you?

    • Rshill7

      And so far have gotten away with it…just like Benghazi.

      Obama and Holder have the most powerful race card in history. It allows them to break laws and violate the public trust with impunity.

      It would be nice if congress demanded justice and the rule of law. This Justice Dept. has not, does not, and will not.

      I’m wondering what will come of Holder being held in contempt of Congress.

      • Orangeone

        And now Bloomers is telling Barky Boy to issue and EO and abolish the 2nd Amendment.

        • Rshill7

          Bloomberg and Obama can go straight to Hell. I’d like to see him try it. That would be the proverbial last straw.

          • Orangeone

            How many hundreds of millions of guns in the US??? Gun sales are skyrocketing again as are ammo sales.  I just got back from another purchase, many types were sold out!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    The key to this being successful is the element of surprise

    Any intruder must be unaware of the weapons being aimed at him

    Broadcasting this info is counterproductive

    • Rshill7

      Which sign would be more likely to deter a mass killing gunman? “Gun Free Zone” or “Armed Security And Staff On Premises”.

      If they go elsewhere, you do not need the element of surprise. They will go to the gun free zone where the sitting ducks are.

      • Pyrran

        How about this?

        IF YOU CAN READ THIS, YOU’RE IN RANGE

    • tinlizzieowner

      If you look down and see a little red spot on your chest, you think that might be enough of a hint?
      ;-) ;-)

  • jleinf

    Don’t mess with Texas-teachers that is. No unions in my area too!

  • 911Infidel

    Why is this so controversial? Not long ago kids and teachers carried their their guns to school during hunting season or during 4-H quals, No one ever got hurt. Teachers and students admired each others firearms, traded hunting experiences and kept their weapons in the gun rack in their trucks…or checked them into the principal’s office if they were doing their 4-H thing at a young age.

    This was back in an era of John Wayne, Gunsmoke, Bonanza, the FBI, and many other shoote’mupbangbang TV shows and movies. Big difference is that the bad guy(s) always lost in a constant stream of morality plays.

    Today, by contrast, that morality play is gangsta rap which worships gang violence, murder and mahem…treats women like a ho…morals be damned.

    You can have a warrior culture without the lunatics; if you marginalize and villify the nutcases, the godless and the soulless. That starts with the culture: Hollywood, TV and the schools.

    Good luck with that, when traitors like Ayers and the Annenburg are writing school books
    and Jesus Christ is relegated to guru status, Itah becomes self. Morality is what feels good. Judgement is relative rather than inalienable and self-evident. Common sense then becomes irrelevant; replaced by emotionalism and political expedietcy.

    • badbadlibs

      I don’t know that I’ve read a finer commentary. Kudos for an excellent post.

      • 911Infidel

        Thanks.

    • badbadlibs

      Also, may I copy and paste your commentary and send it to a few folks I know? I will only mention it was written by someone else other then myself.

      • 911Infidel

        Sure. Help yourself.

        • badbadlibs

          Appreciate it.

  • aZjimbo

    Excellent. Now that is the way it should be.

  • proudhispanicconservative

    Gooooooooooood do I love Texas, I live in Florida, I think the devilcrats have been planting seeds here for a long time, its only a matter of time before the libs take over here.

    • tinlizzieowner

      Not over here on the southwest side of the state. The Atlantic side is full of northeastern ‘transplants’ who moved down here to get away from paying ‘their fair share’ of all the taxes they voted for, for others to pay.

  • John3_3

    We are so desensitized to common sense that when we see or hear it we think its extreme.

  • sjmom

    I pray more states follow suit and allow administration personnel and teachers to carry concealed weapons.

  • jgilman1

    My kids school has had armed Police officers randomly since I was there and I live in quiet Upstate NY. But then again I also live in a Union Free school district with good teachers, reasonable budgets, and no tolerance for a teachers political beliefs. I have actually seen a teacher fired, in one day.

    • RKflorida

      I’m from upstate NY. Kingston area. Never had guns in schools in my rural area since there was no need. Actually I don’t think gunpowder had been invented yet.

      • jgilman1

        We’ve never needed it either but it makes sense now.Please don’t take this in a mean way but it is actually pretty funny for us up here in the Adirondacks. Kingson, upstate, really? Anything below the Albany is downstate. For Kingston to be upstate one would have to agree that NYC is the nexus of NYS. NYC is like a Skin Tag so I don’t blame you for wanting some distance.

  • ecosse

    Mass exodus to Texas anyone?

  • chatterbox365

    I love this Superintendent’s thinking! Texas has guts…I need to move there.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YTW457NVTTIB2NPVUGR7WXAXFM General Lee

      It’s nice from the outside looking in but I lived there. Just a word of caution, much of the south is still living the Civil War and if you are from the north, be prepared to be treated as such. Even the cops are prejudiced against “Yankees”; Iv’e experienced it firsthand…

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GSRKCLKMZLQNGFRGJSMLK2XSYQ Rebecca

        Bah, I moved to Texas last July (from the Peoples’ Republic of Maryland, which isn’t yankee, but pretty close) and it’s not that bad. My community and neighbors are all incredibly friendly well-adjusted people. I’ve seen no indication of civil war anything. I suspect that your history contains some sour grapes. I can see where the locals might get leery if you were of a liberal political affiliation. (A conservative with bumper stickers will get keyed in Washington DC, but I’m pretty sure most Texans wouldn’t do that to a liberal’s car). Then again it might be the part of Texas you were in, keep in mind it’s a big state and probably has people of all stripes. I am kind of offended by the way liberals I know personally will quickly stereotype Texans. My own brother said “I don’t envy you” when I said I was moving here but things are so much better for raising a family here. We can afford a single family home. We have a real yard the kids can play in. I have met all my neighbors and talk to them regularly (instead of pretending not to notice them) and there haven’t been any murders on my block. (A man was shot dead a few blocks from my old house… lovely place.) We also live in an area with an impeccable school district so my father’s words of warning to me about how–OMG they teach creationism in the south!–is all ridiculous and false.

        The towns around here all have strong pride and community spirit. I thought it was interesting that all the schools in my town have the same mascot which means that everyone wears the same icon on their clothes and colors when they want to go cheer for their local team. This really simplifies things if you have a kid in high school and one in elementary and also builds some continuity for kids that are in sports and folks here really do pour out their hearts for the local teams.

        Bottom line, Texas can be an exemplary place to live. When other states in the country are going broke or deeply into debt and you feel like your neighbor is living in the misty clouds of his head utopia, then maybe it is time to relocate somewhere that the people are down to earth and just trying to bring up their kids in the best way they can.

  • snowshooze

    Fantastic!!!!
    I want to send my girls to his school!!!

  • snowshooze

    I’ll be willing tobet they still teach the three R’s too.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CZSU2D67ODNZOKEZYHXONQ4F5Y John

    Hey, liberal: who is the only one, carrying what – able to stop an armed madman?
    .
    Hey, liberal: who is the only one, carrying what – able to stop an armed madman?

  • CO2isGood

    Danged common sense, and the difference between wimpy liberals and truly concerned conservatives, sure does make it much easier for bad guys to attack kids in utopian states.

  • bobemakk

    Carry permits are necessary in schools, with proper training. We’ve had enough violence and shootings in schools. I am fed up with the pansy A$$ people who disagree.

  • snowshooze

    Marksmanship should be a required course.

  • westernhunter

    Thank you Superintendent.

    There is a story in my State today that a 16 year old who left a box of shotgun shells in his truck from the weekend of duck hunting (not his gun) is suspended from school. This is a good kid with great grades. This is so wrong.

  • 1fromhinterland

    Teachers and school officials have the DUTY of providing a level of responsible SAFETY for our children once placed in their care! While parents pay (taxes) for education and rightfully expect a certain amount of learning to take place, they also FULLY expect their children to return home ALIVE at the end of the school day. Sometimes, even with the best of care, unavoidable bad things happen. However, there is a standard of care that our court systems have used for a long time in this country. The REASONABLY PRUDENT PERSON clause demands a certain level of action and/or reaction to provide care by someone in a place of responsiabilty espcially when involving a minor. Considering the amount of violence our children have grown up consuming via movies and life taking video games it is no wonder many of them have become DESENSITIZED to murder. Granted most kids are psychologically stabile enough to distinguish between KILLING a zombie (living dead human) and KILLING a living human!! However, we have a certain percentage of children, and adults for that matter, who are not mentally or emotionally stable. Given this fact, I believe that the “guardian plan” is not only reasonably prudent but should be applauded and adopted by other schools where reasonably prudent adults are in charge!!

    “ALWAYS BE PREPARED!” Boy Scout Motto

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FRBA2DT5LMKVGS7PZCWFAGAUXE ken finch

    safty first

  • JeremyJanson

    @1fromhinterland Exactly. It’s not optional for the children to not be armed, so it shouldn’t be optional for teachers to be armed. If the teachers don’t like it, they can quit, and the rest will get a pay raise!

  • JeremyJanson

    @westernhunter There should be consequences to administrators making these sort of knee jerk decisions that affect the lives and reputations of students permaneantly. We need a new version of slander adapted to the bureaucratic environment, and those dishonorable liars should be taken to the cleaners, AND blacklisted.

  • JeremyJanson

    @snowshooze Probably, although even just Gun Safety would be helpful. It’s basically the same logic as Sex Education when you think about it.

  • JeremyJanson

    @bobemakk Not just carry permits, CARRYING. If you don’t bring your guns to school, you should be FIRED.

  • JeremyJanson

    @General Lee Umm, yeah, Texas isn’t the South. I thought it was before I lived in the South, having most of my family from Texas and being familiar with the great republic my whole life, I always thought Georgia was the largest county in Texas, but it ain’t. Texans are a lot less petty, a lot more tactful, a lot more serious and a lot less hypocritical. In fact, there really isn’t much hypocrisy to speak of in Texas, except on sex, Texans love to talk about sexual morality and then have Italian-style love affairs, complete with spoiled mistresses or (for the ladies) used men, because they’re really somewhat Spanish people.
    Actually, even on the Civil War (which, by the way, I am a proud descendent of Arkansas volunteers just so you know) Texas is… actually somewhat embarassed. They don’t really have the northern OR the southern view of the Civil War. The Civil War was the only time in Texas’ long and glorious history when they were ever divided or one part of Texas ever stabbed in the back another part of Texas, with the slaveowners in East Texas galloping in to vote on secession before the West Texans could get there. So understandably, the Civil War is something of a touchy subject for Texans in a way that it is not for confident, proud Southerners.  It’s the ultimate attack on the Texas Pledge of Allegiance, which states “one state undivided.”They wouldn’t be very fond of the north either, and if you decide to put salt in their wounds by downtalking them they won’t be happy with you, but they aren’t proud of secession in the way that Southerners are because it actually involved stabbing a lot of people in the back and there’s nothing Texans hate more than a backstabber.