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Bachmann hits Perry hard on the fact that Merck, who contributed thousands to his campaign and whose chief lobbyist was Perry’s former Chief of Staff, made millions of dollars due to his Executive Order mandating Gardasil. And I have to say Perry’s answer wasn’t all that convincing:

Not only did Bachmann handle that very well, but Santorum also responded great. I think Perry will probably be better prepared for that attack come next debate, but tonight he loses on this one.

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  • Anonymous

    Bachman was disgraceful for insinuating that Perry was “bought” and was corrupt by hurling a baseless accusation during a debate like this. She lost my vote and my respect.

    • CitizenHill

      I’ll wait and see how the dust settles and who’s left standing with the most credibility before I’ll make such a call

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDAKYMXLZIRLMLGEZJXV3AOO7E Vorlath

      Bachmann rocked it tonight and I don’t even like her. She had some great moments against both Perry and Romney, especially on Obamacare. That was a complete smackdown.

      • Anonymous

        This is not a Congressional election cycle. She accused someone of corruption with no evidence and that’s over the top. Sorry she is bat-sh*t

        • Anonymous

          There are obvious connections. Like the campaign contributions and then his chief of staff going to work for Merck.

          • B-Funk

            Yah, that’s usually enough to start an investigation. Her claims were not without evidence. The connection is too close to not be asking that question.

    • Anonymous

      It was crony capitalism. All politicians indulge in it – he just pick a pretty nasty deal with Merck. She told the truth. If you do a little research you will find it. Also if you look into the NAU and related international deals that Perry helped design , influenza outbreak control in the US by foreign governemt panels was also included.

      Perry also responded badly. He did call the EO a miskae but should not have defended forced inoculation in principle. He also asked if she really thought he could be bought for $5,000. So how mucch does it take Rick? she should have rsonded.

      • Anonymous

        I think I can take a magnifying glass to Bachman’s past and see if she’s made any mistakes.

        I don’t agree with Perry’s decision. He said it was a mistake, and it DID have an opt out.

        Bachman will not win and Romney is a phony robot.

    • Anonymous

      It was crony capitalism. All politicians indulge in it – he just pick a pretty nasty deal with Merck. She told the truth. If you do a little research you will find it. Also if you look into the NAU and related international deals that Perry helped design , influenza outbreak control in the US by foreign governemt panels was also included.

      Perry also responded badly. He did call the EO a miskae but should not have defended forced inoculation in principle. He also asked if she really thought he could be bought for $5,000. So how mucch does it take Rick? she should have rsonded.

    • Anonymous

      Perry is done. game over.

      • Anonymous

        Are you wrong every time, or is this an aberration?

    • Anonymous

      She never had your vote so stop pretending she lost something last night.

  • Don Bethune

    Well, M_J_S , you are blind and completely uninformed for thinking that was a ‘baseless accusation’ and you’ve got a little research to do if you can’t yet see that Perry is a scum bag sellout that cares nothing about anything except for campaign contributions, big government, ‘Hillary-Care’ style socialized medicine, and licking the boots of the corporate puppeteers that have their hand shove up the gaping hole in his back.

    • Anonymous

      LOL! So who is your canidate dummy???

      • Don Bethune

        Dummy?? Really?? Shows an amazing level of maturity and intellect as would be expected based on your earlier comment. My candidate is the ONLY candidate from both parties that is NOT bought and paid for, and that actually gives a crap about this country, the constitution, and it’s future. The only people who deny it and bash him, are the ignorant, uninformed main stream media sheeple – Ron Paul. I know, I know…he doesn’t have pretty hair or read well from a teleprompter or from the talking points pre-prepared for him like the rest of the robots….but he is the only honorable human being in this race.

      • Don Bethune

        Dummy?? Really?? Shows an amazing level of maturity and intellect as would be expected based on your earlier comment. My candidate is the ONLY candidate from both parties that is NOT bought and paid for, and that actually gives a crap about this country, the constitution, and it’s future. The only people who deny it and bash him, are the ignorant, uninformed main stream media sheeple – Ron Paul. I know, I know…he doesn’t have pretty hair or read well from a teleprompter or from the talking points pre-prepared for him like the rest of the robots….but he is the only honorable human being in this race.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          I’m not going to call names, but I think Paul needs to learn more about Islam if he intends to stick it out in this race. He’s very smart in areas, but this is not one of them.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          I’m not going to call names, but I think Paul needs to learn more about Islam if he intends to stick it out in this race. He’s very smart in areas, but this is not one of them.

          • Anonymous

            I yelled the same thing at him over the TV :)

            He actually did pretty well tonight but is completely naive and/or ignorant about islam. That is fatal for all humanity.

          • Anonymous

            I yelled the same thing at him over the TV :)

            He actually did pretty well tonight but is completely naive and/or ignorant about islam. That is fatal for all humanity.

          • Anonymous

            I yelled the same thing at him over the TV :)

            He actually did pretty well tonight but is completely naive and/or ignorant about islam. That is fatal for all humanity.

          • Frederick

            I agree he needs to be better educated on Islam, but, he is utterly blowing it on foreign policy mainly because he fails to communicate what he is really trying to target. Because of his opinion on certain foreign policy questions such as terrorist controlled palestinian territory, his message about irresponsible US, and CIA involvement with foreign governments is lost. There is a legitimate point that can be made from an originalist perspective, but he is not articulating it well at all.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

            Not just Paul. It would appear that Americans and Canadians alike are sodden with islamic propaganda. If it were possible to bring people to their senses about this scourge , we might have a chance to avoid a lot of misery. Islam is nothing more than a political system traipsing around in the trappings of a murderous militant religious organization bent on world domination.
            I offer these:

            Mabu Imran, leader of Sharia4Belgium –

            “Because we are Muslims and thus we are victors, who are here to dominate. And those who cannot accept the dominance of Islam will have to leave. For my part, to hell.”

            Anjem Choudary, leader of the in England banned Islam4UK, sounded very threatening in Antwerp.
            “We will only rest when the flag of Islam flies everywhere.”

            NAZIs/Islam
            http://www.tellchildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

            Hitler Youth
            http://tinyurl.com/3mq92a3

            Bare Naked Islam
            http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/

            Hamas Child warriors

            Hamas summer camp
            http://tinyurl.com/3petykh

            Then, of course, people could actually rely on their natural investigative tools – their eyes and ears but so far, those haven’t served well.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

          Unlike the Canandian I don’t mind calling names when everyone knows it’s the truth.

          Paul Nut loser trash. Typical castrated anti-social POS geek freak. Go to hell.

          • Anonymous

            wait.. so you shat on me claiming that i bring the level of integrity down at RS but yet you use words like “paul nut loser trash”? how does that help the discourse??

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

          Unlike the Canandian I don’t mind calling names when everyone knows it’s the truth.

          Paul Nut loser trash. Typical castrated anti-social POS geek freak. Go to hell.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

        Canidate dummy?? What is it?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

      I’ll have to add you to the list of brain dead zombies that trod the Right Scoop.

      Is it the focus on video content that draws this gutter level cretin?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

      I’ll have to add you to the list of brain dead zombies that trod the Right Scoop.

      Is it the focus on video content that draws this gutter level cretin?

  • Anonymous

    Very tough night for Mr. Perry, great night for Ms. Bachmann. I still don’t think it gains her any big endorsements, but keeps her relevant

    • Anonymous

      you got it ’bout right, I’d say

    • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

      I think it certainly helped Romney. Bachmann hit Mitt hard too, but not as devastating as the vaccination stuff with Perry. Perry was smart to say it was a mistake, but it was still a blow, in my opinion.

      • Anonymous

        Perry did say his executive order was a mistake but then stopped short of saying forced HPV vaccinations program are a mistake. Same geneal approach he is using defending the in-state tuition program. I think this is going to hurt him. 8 or 10 years ago he could have fuzzed over this kind of stuff with the help of a friendly media. But the people have been reading up.

      • Anonymous

        Perry did say his executive order was a mistake but then stopped short of saying forced HPV vaccinations program are a mistake. Same geneal approach he is using defending the in-state tuition program. I think this is going to hurt him. 8 or 10 years ago he could have fuzzed over this kind of stuff with the help of a friendly media. But the people have been reading up.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    I thought he lost on that one as well. I do hope however, and I am no fan of Perry, but they’ve called him out already, made their points, so let’s let it go now. Perry got a whoopin’ tonight on it, and I think anyone who cares about the issues already knows this one. Let’s let it go now folks. Please, because next time, it’ll look petty.

    • Anonymous

      I know the readers here have heard this issue before a few times but I was watching the debate with family who are just getting their feet wet on the Kabuki theater.

      They sensed Perry was squirming but did not really understand the significant of Perry’s action on the vaccine. We just had a great discussion about Perry’s action in context of the role of government. So this may be a good issue to keep alive.

    • Anonymous

      Once there is blood in the water it is going to be feeding time. As long as they remember every democrat is just waiting to feed on our own wounded eventual candidate. I just hope there isn’t some vendetta being carried out that ends up with another 4 years of Obama.

    • Anonymous

      Once there is blood in the water it is going to be feeding time. As long as they remember every democrat is just waiting to feed on our own wounded eventual candidate. I just hope there isn’t some vendetta being carried out that ends up with another 4 years of Obama.

  • Jack B. Erhart

    Not really.

  • Jack B. Erhart

    Not really.

  • Jack B. Erhart

    Not really.

  • http://www.kennethballard.com Kenneth

    If Bachmann and Santorum have a problem with the vaccine in particular, why don’t they just come out and say it? “I’m against Gardasil.” That’s all they have to say, but then they’ll have to explain themselves and that’s where they could end up sticking it to themselves. I mean it’s a vaccine against an STD. There is really only one reason for them to be against it… that is unless they’re anti-vaccine in general.

    Santorum is correct that we require students in public school to maintain vaccines according to a particular schedule to prevent the spread of communicable diseases — MMRV, DTaP, Polio, and a couple others. So why should Gardasil not be part of that equation? Bachmann hits Perry on the apparent conflicts of interest behind his executive order while Santorum makes it sound like he’s against the vaccine period.

    Where Santorum should have stopped is just in saying that it was the wrong policy, and I agree in part. Gardasil should be on the vaccine schedules for public schools, but by going through the proper legislative process, not by executive order.

    • Anonymous

      Bachmann is against the government completely outstepping its authority and forcing parents to submit their daughters to a vaccine. There is precedent for vaccination programs for openly communicable diseases that lead to massive deadly or crippling outbreaks, but not a prophylactic drug for a sexually transmitted disease.

      • http://www.kennethballard.com Kenneth

        They’re not being “forced” per se. Vaccine schedules are part of the requirements for attending public schools in the United States. Parents had several options: 1. get the vaccine, 2. get an exemption for the vaccine (which I hear is very easy in Texas), or 3. withdraw their daughter from public school.

      • http://www.kennethballard.com Kenneth

        They’re not being “forced” per se. Vaccine schedules are part of the requirements for attending public schools in the United States. Parents had several options: 1. get the vaccine, 2. get an exemption for the vaccine (which I hear is very easy in Texas), or 3. withdraw their daughter from public school.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

        Exactly!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

        Exactly!

    • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

      Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but unless a girl is having sex, how can this disease be passed on? In other words, how is it the government’s responsibility to protect against STDs?

      A parent should choose, with the council of their own, private, doctor whether they want their girl to have this vaccine. Not mandated by the state. I agree with Santorum. Let’s have an opt in, not an opt out.

      • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

        The unspoken assumption is that adolescent American girls will be sleeping around.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

          We’re not talking adolescence here.

      • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

        The unspoken assumption is that adolescent American girls will be sleeping around.

      • http://www.kennethballard.com Kenneth

        All other vaccines are opt out. If you want your child to attend a public school, the vaccine schedule is required unless you have obtained exemptions.

        Contrary to Santorum’s words, parents can get a waiver for the Gardasil vaccine by following the mandated process for it. Perry’s executive order did not change that. Instead what he tried to do was amend the vaccine schedule established by the Texas legislature without going through the legislature.

        And did you know that there are over 120 types of HPV identified? Not all of them are sexually transmitted either. The vaccine targets 4 of those 120: types 6, 11, 16 and 18. The latter two are known to cause cervical cancer and other cancers of the genital area, while the former two can cause warts and benign tumors called papillomas in the genitals and other parts of the body.

        So the vaccine is actually protecting against more than just cervical cancer, but other potentially recurrent issues.

        [Source: Wikipedia - Human Papillomavirus]

        Further vaccine programs are one of the few areas of public funding with a positive net benefit with regard to the health care sector.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

      How can you equate Gardasil with vaccines for measles, whooping cough, polio or tuberculosis at grade school level? You might want to do some legwork on it.

      • http://www.kennethballard.com Kenneth

        I have done plenty of legwork on vaccines, including this one. If Gardasil is similar to any other vaccine currently on the schedule, it likely would be tetanus, against which individuals are vaccinated as part of the TDaP triple vaccine (tetanus, diphtheria, acellular pertussis).

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

      How can you equate Gardasil with vaccines for measles, whooping cough, polio or tuberculosis at grade school level? You might want to do some legwork on it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GFZ4NQSAULWUMOKXDI4Y7YJGZU Eric

    At this point Perry needs to be able to better defend this issue. Admitting to the mistake is a good start. He could follow with: “I govern a state with a large population of students with low income earning parents, partly because of the lack of border security priority by the federal government. Having it as an opt-in would not have forced insurance companies to lower the cost of the vaccine and those students most at risk still would not have received the vaccine. At the time I believed the cost to the state of Texas for the treatment of cancer far outweighs the costs and risks of mandating the vaccine. I should have let the Texas voters decide if my belief was right.”

    • Anonymous

      There is not opt out, or opt in, or regulations around here. Most private insurance covers it as does Medicaid. It is free at county clinics for the asking. Three shots of about $100 each for anyone not using above options.

      Whenever the government gets involved – things always get more expensive and more screwed up. This whole HPV vaccine issue is over-sensationalized to gin up crony capitalism and nanny state government intrusion.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

      This is a tempest in a teapot. America doesn’t give a rats ass about Gardasil compared to JOBS. What has that Ed Rollin’s client ever done for jobs? Nothing. Talk. Besides she has no more right to the job than The One ever did. Way too inexperienced. She’s a nobody. She’s our nobody but, still, a nobody.

      Trust me. It will all be forgotten when Sarah endorses Perry…

      • Anonymous

        The Gardaisl issue in TX is extremely relevant because it tests the role of limited government, and is a classic example of crony capitalism.

        Government overstepping its constitutionally granted authority, out of control regulations, all fueled by crony capitalism is the root cause of the JOBS problem.

        Government can fix the JOBS problem by just getting the hell out of the way.

        • Anonymous

          thank you! and RCL doesnt get it. he’s too busy calling everyone here names.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

        You obviously know a lot about talk and hot, useless air.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

        You obviously know a lot about talk and hot, useless air.

  • http://twitter.com/conservative__ conservative

    As a person who lost a family member to cancer–sized like a grapefruit, on a lung- and witness said member wither away as every function shuts down, I am INSULTED that these candidates are “pro-life” when they ignore the facts completely who is really pro-life. Please, leave the ignorance and fact failing to liberals. And if you are a liberal, get off that stage and shut the hell up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

    The mandate was voted down. How could Merck have made millions when it never happened?

    The fact is the Gardasil program is standard procedure in many states including mine, California. I didn’t want my daughter to take it but the girls ( the wife & daughter ) told me to shut up so I did. No big deal.

    IMHO I think Anita asked him to do it so he did. Women in general and nurses in particular are generally pro government health initiatives.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

    The mandate was voted down. How could Merck have made millions when it never happened?

    The fact is the Gardasil program is standard procedure in many states including mine, California. I didn’t want my daughter to take it but the girls ( the wife & daughter ) told me to shut up so I did. No big deal.

    IMHO I think Anita asked him to do it so he did. Women in general and nurses in particular are generally pro government health initiatives.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Not this woman.

      • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

        Hear, hear. I second that motion.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly, RCL. Her “Merck made millions and millions from this mandate” statement was an outright LIE. How do you make millions from a mandate that never happened? So I now know that Michelle Bachmann is capable of lying when it benefits herself — she made that very clear last night. But I sure wish Rick Perry was a little quicker on his feet in deflecting untrue accusations like that.

      I also didn’t appreciate over over-use of the words “little innocent girls,” “bad drug” (tell that to the millions of parents all over this country who have requested the vaccine for their daughters), “forced” (not if there’s an opt-out), and the insinuation that we parents are just too stupid to figure out how to opt out of something. Lying and sensationalizing an issue for self-preservation is very unbecoming. I was impressed with her performance last night up until this argument, and then I decided NO WAY.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL

    Perry has been an outspoken pro-life advocate for his whole career. When he was for Gore, Al was pro-life. Rick takes shots for his faith and values repeatedly. You would think overt Christians like Bachmann and Santorum would show some level of empathy with Gov. Perry. To see these holier than thou munchkins pile on is more revelatory of their fallen nature than of Rick’s error.

    I expected it from Bachmann but I’m truly disappointed in Santorum. Perry is the best hope for the pro-life movement in 2012. Mitt doesn’t have a committed bone in his body. Santorum has no chance in hell but he’s happy to tear down a fellow believer all for his vanity. He should step aside and go on retreat to salvage what remains of his honor.

  • Eve

    This issue has become worn out and bickering over and over about it, I don’t think is helping any of them. It really doesn’t make me think he will Executive order everything and give Merck special advantages.

    I do believe it should be the parents choice and never mandated, it was a mistake. He’s apologized over and over for it, in the end the People won, it didn’t go through. I’ve found it is more of a distraction instead of the bigger immediate real issues that are truly going to win the election.

  • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

    Perry has cojones–he manned up and admitted he was wrong about the vaccines. Now if the other GOP candidates bring it up again, people will think they are grasping for straws by beating a clearly-dead horse.

    • Anonymous

      Yes and Romney still defends his healthcare plan-WTF? Also, where has Romney been? In the Mitness Protection Plan. Any Tea Party Rallies? NOPE.

      • http://escapingmediocrity.wordpress.com Natassia

        Romney is clinging to that Tenth Amendment claim–states can force citizens to purchase goods and services but the federal government cannot.

        It is a weak argument. What prevents him from mandating that all people purchase a vehicle or a house?

        • Anonymous

          The citizens of his state, they don’t have to re-elect him, and they can override his executive orders.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

            Very cogent.

      • Anonymous

        “MITNESS PROTECTION”……..you’re killin’ me!

  • Anonymous

    Perry killed Bachmann when he joined the race so I was glad to see her spit in his eye before she disappears from the polls altogether. I thought she hit a home run.

  • http://www.gopalin2012.com Matthew J. Weaver

    Besides his staff lobbyist, I seriously doubt the $5,000 in disclosed donation Perry received is the sum of it all. Consider that Texas has among the loosest of state laws regarding cronyism. Has Perry been getting other non-monetary benefits?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

      Looser than California or Illinois? Implausible but possible, I suppose.

  • Anonymous

    I think this whole issue is being blown out of proportion. It’s a democrat tactic, focus on the micro not the macro (much like the don’t vote for McCain because he wants to take birth control off insurance plans and grow classroom sizes), this is a single issue that he said he did the wrong way. The vaccine was approved by the FDA and has obviously been extensively tested, and the order had an opt out. Instead of focusing how great loser-pay and low taxes and tort reform would be for the whole country, we are focusing on a single issue.

  • Anonymous

    There is a ridiculous claim from Aces and others going around. That Sarah Palin allow Gardasil as an option for parents in Alaska if they choose to allow their kids to take it. Put on the same level as Perry mandating Gardasil, received $28,000 in contribution from Merk, have people from Merk work on his staff! Yea Palin and Perry are corrupt, yea right!

    Palin was not even lobbied by Merk! Here is my proof.
    http://www.followthemoney.org/press/ReportView.phtml?r=290
    And http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/13/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-talk-about-gardasil/?nomobile

    Here Palin’s e-mail about the issue in 2009.
    http://rawdata.sarahsinbox.com/11279.pdf

    Palin2012!!!

  • Anonymous

    There is a ridiculous claim from Aces and others going around. That Sarah Palin allow Gardasil as an option for parents in Alaska if they choose to allow their kids to take it. Put on the same level as Perry mandating Gardasil, received $28,000 in contribution from Merk, have people from Merk work on his staff! Yea Palin and Perry are corrupt, yea right!

    Palin was not even lobbied by Merk! Here is my proof.
    http://www.followthemoney.org/press/ReportView.phtml?r=290
    And http://michellemalkin.com/2011/09/13/the-right-and-wrong-way-to-talk-about-gardasil/?nomobile

    Here Palin’s e-mail about the issue in 2009.
    http://rawdata.sarahsinbox.com/11279.pdf

    Palin2012!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZIL4KEDI7TFBKNUDAIWWYOA4CM Larry Gibby

    I think folks need to look into this Gardasil issue. I wouldn’t let my daughters be vaccinated with the poison. It kills people. Look it up!