By The Right Scoop


This is ridiculous. The photo below actually came from the Obama campaign’s website on a page entitled “What women need to know about Paul Ryan.” Notice the first bullet point:

What a disgusting lie from the Obama campaign who claims that Romney is the one playing dirty. But Romney doesn’t do this crap.

This is way below the belt, if you’ll forgive the pun.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/brandonandcassy Brandon And Cassy Brackett

    so, what is the problem?

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      If you don’t understand the problem, maybe you aren’t in the right place?

      • michael carpenter

        You know you are not in the right place when yours is the only comment AmericanborninCanada does not like.
        By the way, I always like AmericanborninCanada’s comments;)

    • PVG

      Is that sarcasm I detect???

    • B-Funk

      lol ^_^

    • Landscaper59

      I’ll buy your birth control and you can pay off my mortage. Deal?

  • badbadlibs

    I wish Ryan could take away my responsibility now to pay for someone else’s birthcontrol, abortions, and otherwise poor choices thru their lives?

    Speaking of things pertaint to birth: side note….I became a great grandmother this afternoon to a beautiful 6lb 4oz baby girl. And I want to Praise the Lord for protecting mother and baby thru a very difficult birthing process and scary time for the darling baby.
    God is good, even in the midst of the chaos that surrounds us… :)

    • Patriot077

      Congratulations!!! God Bless you and Mama & Baby :)

      • badbadlibs

        Thanks, Patriot!

    • p m

      No greater gift – congratulations to all of you! Has she a name yet?
      Maybe you could sneak that in your next post, bad!

      • badbadlibs

        Thank you for the congrats! Mommy and “Peyton” are doing very well today, thanks be to God our Saviour! :)

    • PVG

      Woo Hoo……Congrats Great Grandma! Yes, God IS good and faithful!

      • badbadlibs

        Thanks very much, PVG! I totally agree, God IS good and faithful!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      YAY!!!!! Congratulations badbad!!!!! Aw! God Bless your family and your precious newest addition!!!! :-D

      • badbadlibs

        Thanks American! :)

    • leel004

      Congrats Tutu (Hawaiian for gramma) !!!
      May many blessings be a stowed upon this special new keiki (little one)
      Aloha

      • badbadlibs

        What a special greeting, thanks so much!

        • leel004

          Mahalo nui o'ha …You are welcome very much! God bless

    • sDee

      A very fortunate baby. Such good news. Front Page news!!!!!!!

      It sounds like mother and child are doing well. Congratulations.

      • badbadlibs

        Thank you so much. Yes, mommy and baby are recovering nicely, thanks to God.

    • Nukeman60

      Do I detect a 54th President of the United States? Congratulations. What a wonderment of God’s love and grace.

      • badbadlibs

        Yes, I believe you do detect a conservative 54th President!
        Thanks so much for your kind words. How I agree with your assesment that God’s love and grace is a wonderment!

    • Orangeone

      Congratulations!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPPAOLOEQKRXT2SI7R2UDGK5CI Al

      Congrats on the baby. Wonder why you call birth control a “poor choice”? Do you believe people should only have sex to reproduce?

      • badbadlibs

        I didn’t call birth control a poor choice. And what I believe about sex is truly none of your business.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPPAOLOEQKRXT2SI7R2UDGK5CI Al

          Well, nothing you believe is my business… but you chose to post your thoughts on a public message board, which I happen to have read.

          I took the statement “birthcontrol, abortions and otherwise poor choices” to mean you felt abortion and birth control were amongst the poor choices.

          I personally feel that it is healthy both mentally and physically to have sex with your partner on a regular basis and, unless one desires a new baby every nine months, that would mean birth control is a necessity to a healthy relationship and a very wise choice.

          • badbadlibs

            I don’t care and I venture a guess that nobody else cares what you believe is healthy regarding sex. But, I suppose you feel you’ve let everyone know how “enlightened” you are…whatever.
            I do feel murderering the child you have concieved is beyond a poor choice, it’s a criminal and morally bankrupt choice and I don’t care to be made to pay for the murder of any child in or just out of the womb.
            Pay for your own birthcontrol and if you can’t afford it, then don’t make the “poor choice” of having sex unless you are prepared to face the responsibilities.

  • piperlord

    I really just need to vomit or take a shower, will you excuse me, sir?

    • badbadlibs

      Understandable. These vile people involved with king vile know no shame.

  • odin147

    this is classic saul alinsky, this is about getting this out there so as many people can see it. I don’t think this will move any independents, this is about energizing their base. Hate drives liberalism.

  • chris alkire

    I keep seeing friends (I am in Washington state) posting that Ryan is against invitrofertilization…what’s up with that?

  • wales777

    I just don’t think this crap is going to work. After decades of the same old crap…new media has finally crushed the only tactic the left have ever known how to win.
    They no longer control the power of information. WE DO!

    Let the games begin!

  • proudhispanicconservative

    Lol, I am ecstatic, that this is the only thing they can come up with, this just proves how little, if anything that the liberals can throw at Romney/Ryan, I am having a blast enjoying the liberals destroying themselves.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    Oh well heck, yeah, because nothing in the world, in politics, in life, in the universe, is as much on the minds of women as free birth control, the right to murder your baby and tax funding for a company which murders babys based on sex and race. I mean really.

    Fret not thyself because of evil doers, neither be thou envious of workers of iniquity….

  • http://teapartyreaganconservative.blogspot.com/ TeaPartyReaganConservative

    Good people know a propagandist scam snake oil lie when they hear it and see it, which is why it’s argument sounds so absurd, because it is.

    But let me give some ammunition against them, concerning the Obama radical agenda of and in Obamacare-

    This is the far left’s vision of contraception, and part of their vision of a eugenics program in America as dictated by and in Obamacare, which female liberal lawmakers approved of..

    Quote-

    “When the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act–a.k.a. Obamacare–was enacted in March 2010 it included (in section 2713) a non-specific requirement that health care plans must provide “additional preventive services” to women. These unspecified “additional preventive services,” the law said, were to be “provided for in comprehensive guidelines supported by the

    Health Resources and Services Administration,” a division of the Department of Health and Human Services.

    In developing the regulation to define these “additional preventive services,” HHS commissioned a federally funded committee at the Institute of Medicine (IOM) to recommend what they should to be.

    In July 2011, this committee issued a report that said: “The committee recommends for consideration as a preventive service for women: the full range of Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling for women with reproductive capacity.”

    The committee report said that “with reproductive capacity” meant “from the time of menarche to menopause.” Menarche is the beginning of menstruation–again, on average, about the age of 12 for American women.

    On Aug. 1, 2011, HHS announced that it was adopting the IOM committee’s recommendation almost verbatim. In fact, it added just one word–placing “all” in front of “women with reproductive capacity.” -unquote

    Edwin Black, author of “War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America’s Campaign to Create a Master Race”, told CNSnewsdotcom: “I find it abhorrent that a 15-year-old (or younger) girl, who is not old enough to consent to sexual activity, who is not old enough to consent to buying a beer, who is not old enough to drive herself to the hospital could possibly be considered old enough and mature enough to give informed consent for her own sterilization. And the most vulnerable of these girls will be those who are wards of the state who are presented a piece of paper and told ‘sign here,’ as they were in Virginia and California.” -unquote

    Need I say more about their so called free contraception deception and true nature of their plans.

  • James1754

    Simply telling more lies, though I do not have a problem with not funding Planed Parenthood.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Skinner/100000598231323 Brian Skinner

    If I was Paul Ryan I would ask Biden if he supports planned parenthood having human size Penis and Vagina costumes and if he thinks such an organization that peddles smut to our teenagers is a good way to spend our tax dollars.

  • MaxineCA

    Let’s see where we are: THEY’VE got nothing, nada, zippo – other than lies since they can’t run on their record. DESPERATE, YOU THINK?

    We can only hope there will be more smart people voting than useful idiots (dead or alive). That pretty much sums it up. We’re down to the smart vs. the stupid and the illegal votes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/VaBhodi Darrell Griffin

    That’s the game.

    Doesn’t matter if it’s Medicare, SS, Medicaid, “free” birth control, Obamacare’s “free” health care, food stamps, college loan rates, ethanol subsidies, wind subsidies, etc.

    Democrats implement entitlements, then EVERY election cycle they campaign on the Mean Republicans taking them away.

    Here’s the punch line….all of US are paying for the goodies that they bribe people’s votes with.

    • kong1967

      “Democrats implement entitlements, then EVERY election cycle they campaign on the Mean Republicans taking them away.

      That’s a perfect way to describe it.

  • AustindPowers

    My response poster would be:

    Obama’s VP pick: a crazy old buffoon…
    “they’re gonna put ya’ll back in chains!”
    “(insert any quote from Biden here)”
    “(and another)”
    “are you joking? is this a joke?”… what a joke.
    we need real leaders in Washington.
    stand with Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
    http://www.mittromney.com

  • kong1967

    I think this is all going to backfire on Obama. It might work with far lefties that watch MSNBC, but not with bluedogs and Independents.

    • WordsFailMe

      Wonder why they buried this ad in the website? Haven’t seen this particular list of accusations anywhere. Is this a poster for the women’s locker room at a university?

      • kong1967

        Most women in universities are probably liberal and will vote for Obama anyway, but I suppose it doesn’t hurt for him to push them a little to make sure.

        If it’s already this bad, what do they go to next? How do they top their last, biggest lie?

        • WordsFailMe

          They could always exhume some more bodies from the Steelworkers Union graveyard and autopsy the women. Romney could be blamed for the cancerous cadavers.

          He can drag his mother’s well worn corpse out and take it for a victory waltz at the convention.

          Or, if he’s will will to pay copyright fee, he could have Trayvon’s body dug up and stuffed for a bus ornament.

          He could replace the “happy Days are Here Again” communist theme song at the convention with Aretha Franklin’s, “Chain of Fools.”

          Lot’s of fun in store I guess.

          • kong1967

            Lol, I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that none of that happens. :)

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPPAOLOEQKRXT2SI7R2UDGK5CI Al

          Most women in Universities are probably liberal….. because they are educated and don’t feel their place is in the kitchen?

          Probably right.

          • kong1967

            Nice way to stereotype conservative women in a dishonest and inaccurate way.

            You’re giving liberal women credit where it’s not due. Most young students are liberal regardless of them being male or female. It has more to do with not understanding the implications of wearing your heart on your sleeve and just acting out of compassion. It’s not bad to feel that way, but the consequences from what feels good are not always good. For example, letting your child live with you until he’s 45 is not doing him any favors. It’s actually hindering his development as a man.

            Not trying to attach libs to that behavior itself, but it can be applied to many things over. Yound college students have not learned their life lessons yet so we can attribute them being liberal to ignorance and stupidity.

  • 911Infidel

    Tell O’Dumbo and his dufous VP to go pound sand. The rest of us know that “birth control” is just a leftist euphemism for “abortion”. No one is trying to take away Sandra Flunky’s rubbers. She can go buy then anywhere. If we could put an end to infanticide, I’d have no problem with that. So cram it lefties…

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

    Well, his birth right gives him that right to be president AND have opinions. All you got are opinions with no birth right to be president.

  • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

    Obama is a vile man

  • GEDouglas

    Lying is a sign of desperation…and the BO campaign is desperate…so expect much more of it. The nature of the lies have become so obvious and transparent that even the most uninformed voter should be able to see through them. Hopefully they will also be insulted by BO taking them for granted and tell him where to stick it…uhhh metaphorically speaking.

    • NCHokie02

      As Obama said in 08, if you can’t run on your record you result to demogoging and scare tactics. Hmmm….there is some irony somewhere but I just can’t seem….Oh, there it is! Obama is demogoging and using scare tactics because he can’t run on his record. Interesting.

  • NCHokie02

    Are there honestly people out there who believe this??? I mean seriously?

    “Paul Ryan wants to make you pay more in taxes so he can have less at the same time he wants to burden you with the responsibility of raising children that you would have otherwise chosen not to have while enjoying your right to sleep with whomever you want to!”

    Just ridiculous. It’s scary that there probably are some people out there who will believe that, and they can vote.

    • sDee

      Scary that people believe it but looking back this is exactly how we got to where we are. Americans accept the propaganda. Give up freedom to the politicians in exchange for perceived protections against an imaginary threat.

      This is classic propaganda. Really how different is it than propaganda like this?
      http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/antisemitism/Jew-eating-Palestinian-cartoon.jpg

    • unclesamnephew

      shamefully yes! people who do not want to go and work for their daily bread. shamefully yes! people who do not believe the Word of God, who instead look to bigger and bigger government to supply their daily bread

  • Rshill7

    The first two bullet points aren’t even possible are they?
    No, Rs, they aren’t.

    If you’re dim enough to believe that are you not already one of O’s base?
    Yep, you got that right.

    Do I often talk to myself?
    Yes, but only when I need an expert opinion.

    Why not accuse Ryan of reversing the direction of the Earth’s rotation? That way the entire world can be against him. Or how ’bout this? Ryan’s favorite breakfast, 7 days per week is, wait for it…wait for it…a bowlful of kittens. Crunchewy! Even in milk. Sometimes though the kittens slurp the milk before Ryan can slurp the kittens.

    These people are to scum what scum is most people.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1388784674 Joel Cruz

    Barack Hussein Obama in 2008: “If you don’t have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.”

  • B-Funk

    Desperation has really set in with these people, hasn’t it. They can’t talk about their record, or what they want to do, so all they have left is smears. More and more, I just get the feeling the internal polling from Obummer’s people is very not good. You don’t run stuff like this if you’re truly ahead.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6TFSBPXVSCDIMIGDESK63L4VKY Michael

    Does it really matter?? This is all they have….Boy can you see all the Doctors telling women….do you know that for that last 14 years Ryan has effectively ended Contraception?? Think about it??? It is just desperation….they have been telling women Mitt is the same for the last 4 months. By the way since when does a Campaign run against the VP??? I think it is soo funny to see this.

    Again this is all they have…..divide, envy, class warfare….NOTHING POSITIVE AT ALL!!

    OBAMAA OFFERS NOTHING ABOUT JOBS AND THE ECONOMY NOTHING!!

    More try to paint as extreme………JUST LOOK IN THE MIRROR MARXIST…THAT IS EXTREME!!

    And ladies why would you ever vote for a man that does nothing but PLAY ON FEAR??? Do you really see Paul Ryan sneaking around….I WANT TO TAKE LADIES BIRTH CONTROL AWAY??..Come on People….Grow up!!!

    Paul Ryan is PRO-LIFE……AMEN!! God how dare he care about the HELPLESS BABIES!!! Just amazing….how so many left wing creeps will SCREAM OVER A PUPPY OR CAT BEING ABUSED BUT COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE MURDER OF A DEFENSELESS BABY!!

    Oh Hail to the Marxist Messiah!

  • LIBERTYUSA

    …just bring on November 6,2012 .”(period)

    • unclesamnephew

      cousin liberty, be sure to inform liberals, that they have a special day to vote! wed nov 7th. yes! just for them!

  • MaroonRepublic

    We need to run an ad, “Obama wants to take away your rights..”

    Would force you to abort x number of children.
    Will take away all your income and give a little back.
    Don’t worry about Medicare because under obamacare you won’t make it to 65.
    Etc….

  • Kordane

    An individual who advocated free market laissez faire capitalism would do the following:

    “Ban common forms of birth control” – NO.
    “Eliminate a woman’s right to choose / have an abortion” – NO.
    “End funding for planned parenthood” – YES.
    “Abolish the Lilly Ledbetter fair pay act” – YES.

    They’d answer this way because they’d know that the government’s only legitimate role is to protect the individual rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Banning birth control is a violation of individual rights, just as banning abortion is a violation of individual rights.

    • Arrrggghhh

      I agree with all of your points except one. I can’t think of a greater violation of individual rights than to be killed after you are conceived but before you are born. It’s the first inalienable right in the DOI. If you disagree, please tell me at which point you think the child gets its individual rights. I’ve even heard speculation that newborns are fair game for murder. Partial birth abortion? 8 months? 7 months? It’s a slippery slope to make it anything less than conception. How about making people act responsibly for their actions and avoid conceiving if they don’t want to get pregnant?

      I’m absolutely no fan of government regulation but someone has to look out for the rights of the unborn. It’s not just a moral issue, it’s also a legal issue that goes back to the question that I posed above.

      • Kordane

        I like the current system of “viability”. If it can survive being removed from the womb, then it’s an individual in its own right, but if it can’t survive being removed from the womb, then it’s not an individual. It would be a violation of the individual rights of the woman if she was forced to keep it within her against her will. I think biologists are pretty clear about the time frame at which a foetus becomes viable for survival outside the womb.

        But you know, if you can come up with some technology that allows foetuses to develop fully outside the womb even earlier than our current technology allows, then go market it.

        What astounds me is how the ‘pro-life’ side doesn’t actually consider what their “ban abortion all the way back to conception” policy would actually require. I mean, imagine it: A woman gets pregnant and wants to have an abortion. She’s willing to do whatever it takes to get those cells/foetus out of her body (home-made chemicals, metal hangars, etc) – So what you’d have to do is stick a gun to her face, strap her to a bed for the 9 or so months, sod all her work commitments, sod her social life, sod her life completely, she is now just under total government control, and then at 9 months force her to give birth without resistance, because she could complicate things, so you’d have to sedate her, cut her open, and then take the foetus (now a baby) out of the woman’s womb…. and then finally let the woman go. That’s pretty fucking tyrannical and disgusting, if you ask me.

        • JoeMontana16

          A newborn baby can’t survive on its own either so are those in your throw away column. The argument that its OK to destroy a life because it can’t survive out of the womb is ridiculous.

          You have zero grasp of common sense. Women would resort to metal hangers? Idiot. How’s about this crazy idea? If you don’t want to clean your “cells” out with a hanger then have responsible sex!!! Put the #ick down!! Problem solved except for your total lack intelligence. I would rather have abortions of existing adults that decide it better to murder an innocent than practice responsibility.

        • Nukeman60

          First of all, why not try to clean your language up.

          Secondly, there are many people from cradle to grave that can’t survive without outside help, at every level of life. Let’s start to narrow down who we can legally kill and get them off our responsibility list. Perhaps, we can pass laws to allow only those 21 to 51 to have rights. The very young and the very old are such a burden to our gay and carefree lives. If that child under 10 isn’t developing into a perfect child, it should be gotten rid of. If that parent has just gotten too frail to keep working, we should put them out of our misery.

          Life is life and that life begins at conception. If you have the desire to do things that create a child, you should have the responsibility to take care of that child or seek out someone who will. I think every person that wants abortion should be forced to hold a newborn baby before making that decision.

          This argument about being able to survive on their own outside the womb is a stale and retarded argument. Individuality has nothing to do with survivability. Take all children under the age of 14, cut their arm off and ask if they can survive on their own without medical help. That would define them as individuals, right? Bull hockey.

          Find a better argument for killing our children.

        • Arrrggghhh

          Granted, it’s a very complicated issue. The other side to the “forced carry to term” dilemma is the current state of affairs. Abortion has become de facto birth control. If I remember correctly, there have been something like 50 million abortions since Rowe v. Wade. Many young people especially have absolutely no sense of responsibility for their actions because there is always a relatively easy out. I’ve heard young girls speaking candidly about abortion openly on the NYC subway system. Getting an abortion has become as routine as getting a cavity filled. I’m sure that you’d agree that that is not right either.

          Viability is a function of technology. Babies that are born well under one pound can survive now. Should the viability point change over time?

          The crux of the problem is that the rights of two people are involved. That point is largely lost on the pro-choice crowd.

          As a libertarian-leaning conservative, honestly, I don’t like the scenario that you painted either, but I just can’t ignore the rights of the unborn child.

          If abortions weren’t such as easily secured, perhaps young women, and men, would act more responsibly. By more responsibly, I mean less sexual activity and more precautions. If those fail, there are thousands of couples that can’t conceive that would absolutely love to adopt their babies.

          I understand the pro-choice argument. I used to be pro-choice. I changed when my two daughters were born and I realized that they were much, much more than merely a choice.

          • Kordane

            1. “Getting an abortion has become as routine as getting a cavity filled. I’m sure that you’d agree that that is not right either”

            I don’t see anything wrong with it, so long as it’s done before the point of viability. It’s something called “freedom”.

            2. “Viability is a function of technology. Babies that are born well under one pound can survive now. Should the viability point change over time?”

            Of course.

            3. “I don’t like the scenario that you painted either, but I just can’t ignore the rights of the unborn child”

            It doesn’t even have individual rights until it’s viable for survival outside of the womb. So what rights are being ignored exactly?

            4. “If abortions weren’t such as easily secured, perhaps young women, and men, would act more responsibly. By more responsibly, I mean less sexual activity and more precautions”

            I don’t see what business it is of yours how responsible people are with their own lives. You don’t own their lives. So long as they’re not violating your individual rights, then you should have no concern whatsoever. Let people make their mistakes and successes; don’t meddle in their lives of other individuals.

            • Arrrggghhh

              I could care less what someone else does, UNLESS it curtails the rights of someone else. There are limits. One can’t just walk down the street and punch a stranger in the face. Would you argue that that is Freedom? Of course not. The only thing we disagree about is the point at which a person has rights. I think it’s conception and you think it’s some point several months down the line.

              I am merely standing up for someone that has absolutely no “choice” whatsoever.

              • Kordane

                Well the thing is that if you say it’s “from conception”, then what do you do with women who no longer want the organism within their body? You end up in the scenario of having to stick a gun to their head, strap them to a bed for 9 months, and all that evil tyrannical stuff.

                But..

                If it’s “from viability”, then when a woman no longer wants the organism within her body, then it can be removed and actually survive as an individual human being, minus any tyranny, and the woman’s individual rights are upheld.

                The “from conception” crowd really need to realize what the practical application would be if their idea was put into practice, because when it is then it leads to some very evil and very tyrannical outcomes, and there is NO way around that. Do you think just passing a law against abortion will stop abortion? – I could cite you countless examples of how ineffectual laws are at stopping human activity, especially in cases where individuals really believe that they should have the freedom to do whatever it is.

                Quite frankly, the fact that you can’t remove the earlier stages of growth and have it survive as an individual human being, should be all the evidence you need to see that said stages of growth do not make an “individual”. I would argue that it’s just “a part of the woman’s body”… until it becomes viable outside of said body. It’s part of the woman’s body, until it becomes viable outside of said body, and just like tonsils or an appendix – It can be removed.

                • Arrrggghhh

                  Let’s agree to disagree on the pro-choice, pro-life argument. I know that you can’t change my mind and you are the only one that can likely change yours.

                  Let’s agree to agree that tyranny is wrong and must be fought tirelessly.

                • Nukeman60

                  It’s part of the woman’s body, until it becomes viable outside of said body, and just like tonsils or an appendix – It can be removed‘ – k

                  Unlike tonsils or an appendix, it is a seperate human being. It does not have the DNA of it’s mother and does not have the DNA of its father. It has its own unique individual DNA, different from every other creature in the Universe. And it has that seperate, individual feature from the moment of conception. It doesn’t gain it later, when its survival might be more viable than earlier.

                  And you can’t claim it’s just like a tumor or cancer cell, because a cancer cell is not a human being. Because we haven’t yet figured out how to help it survive in its early stages doesn’t make it any less of a human being. It just makes us imperfect.

                  Yes, it is a quandry about the woman who truly doesn’t want the child. But, remember, there are three people involved here. If two people conceive a child, the mother doesn’t want it and the father does, then the mother gets an abortion. The father has no say. To you that’s okay.

                  If two people conceive a child, the mother wants it and the father doesn’t, the mother gets to keep it. The father again has no say and you’d call him a mysogynistic, sexist a$$ if he demands an abortion.

                  In both cases, the child has no say, gets no vote and is the one who suffers the ultimate price for the other two having no sense of responsibility.

                  I realize that you rest your entire case on the circular reasoning of ‘viable survivability’. You claim it’s an individual only if it can live outside the womb and you then try to define what an individual is by starting at that point.

                  I call that ‘plausable deniability’ because you are fooling only yourself in that regard. The only difference between a fetus the day before birth and a baby the day after is what it breathes, not who or what it is.

                  You will always fall back on viable survivability as a definition of individual, so therefore you will never be able to truly define what an individual is (because your premise is your definition).

                  People like you will always like abortion and people like me will always hate killing our children. That fact remains true and your singular circular reasoning just gets old and stale time and time again.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “If two people conceive a child, the mother wants it and the father doesn’t, the mother gets to keep it. The father again has no say and you’d call him a mysogynistic, sexist a$$ if he demands an abortion.

                  If the woman wants to conceive a child, but the man doesn’t, then it’s not up to the man, since until “viability” the organism is part of the woman’s body, and her body is her property, and after “viability” the organism becomes an individual in its own right, and the man cannot violate its individual rights by demanding that it be destroyed.

                  If the woman does not want to conceive a child, but the man does want her to, then again, it’s not up to the man, since until “viability” the organism is yet again part of the woman’s body, and her body is her property; she can choose to destroy/harm her body. If the woman decides she does not want to conceive the child after “viability”, then it’s too late for her because the organism has become an individual with individual rights, so she cannot destroy it; she can only choose to have it removed and for it to go on to live its own life separate from her.

                  I’ll get to your other points later.

                • Nukeman60

                  You completely missed the point, of course. You continually say it’s an individual after it’s survivability is viable and therefore viability is equal to individuality. It’s getting really old.

                  Try this – If I put a gun to your head and pull the trigger (using just an example, mind you), we watch to see if you can survive. If you do, then you have viable survivability, you must be an individual, and what I did was wrong. If you don’t survive, then you didn’t have viable survivability, you must not have been an individual, and I therefore did nothing wrong.

                  That example is exactly what you’re saying about a human being. It sounds ridiculous as a viable excuse for killing, and so does yours. Period.

                  You won’t understand it, you never have, and you will come back with your same, lame excuse for killing over and over again, so I’m done. respond if you want to, but if it’s the same rhetoric, don’t waste your time.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “You will always fall back on viable survivability as a definition of individual, so therefore you will never be able to truly define what an individual is (because your premise is your definition)

                  It’s not a separate entity (an individual) until it is separated from the host (the woman). Go right ahead, pull out that pre-viable foetus, let’s see it try and survive separately from the woman – Oh wait, it can’t, because it’s not an individual; it’s completely and utterly dependent on that woman, until someone invents technology that can replace the woman’s body.

                  What this really boils down to is whether women should have the choice to remove things from their body that they do not want there. You say they shouldn’t be allowed to; you say that the woman should be forced by the government, at the point of a gun, strap her to a bed for 9 months, until it is fully grown and birthed. Sod the woman’s individual rights, right? She was ‘irresponsible’, according to your own personal standards, so therefore she must pay the price of her ‘irresponsibility’ by having government stick a gun to her head and strap her to a bed for 9 months, and suffer who knows what kind of trauma and suffering as a result. I just cannot abide by that sickeningly disgusting and tyrannical view of yours. Quite frankly, the pro-life view is immoral, if not downright evil.

                • Nukeman60

                  There is no intrinsic or natural premise that an entity is an individual only after it’s viable. That’s your definition and your own creation. It isn’t a natural law. You make the assumption, then you make your points because you say the assumption is fact.

                  Many people don’t survive all through the range of life. Babies can’t survive on their own. Some people need assistance all through their lives. It doesn’t make them non-individuals because you say they’re not viable. Your assumption doesn’t hold water. It merely excuses your killing desires.

                  By your standards, if a woman tires of a child at ten, she can then kill it for her own convenience. And if you say, no, it’s no longer a part of her body, well I tell you it stopped being a part of her body at conception. You just don’t understand that or want to admit it.

                  you say that the woman should be forced by the government, at the point of a gun, strap her to a bed for 9 months, until it is fully grown and birthed‘ – k

                  No, you said that. I did not say that at all. It was just a meme you invented in reply to someone else. You see how you concoct a fantasy (much like your viable survivability meme) and then declare it a fact? A child in her womb is a responsibility just as a child out of her womb is. There are laws of society that stop her from killing that 10 year old (doesn’t stop her from doing it all the time, but they are there) and there can also be laws that stop her from killing it before birth. It’s not that difficult to understand if you have morals. But then, you will revert back to your ever repetitive meme (viable survivability), won’t you.

                  Quite frankly, someone who feels it’s immoral, tyrannical, and evil to not want to kill our children has a moral problem of their own that they must come to terms with. You have chosen to hide behind ‘viable survivability’ as an excuse. I realize you must find whatever reason you can stomach to excuse your reasoning, but it’s obvious from the lame way you do it that there is a disconnect between your reasoning and reality. Sorry to see that.

                • Kordane

                  1. “There is no intrinsic or natural premise that an entity is an individual only after it’s viable. That’s your definition and your own creation. It isn’t a natural law.

                  I said that an individual is a separate entity; in this case, separated from the host. That may be my own definition, but I think it’s logical, since earlier stages of development are not separate entities; they’re utterly dependent on the host. I would consider that a natural law, since it is in accordance with the laws of nature that are clear on this fact: Foetuses cannot survive (with our current level of technology) before they’ve reached viability.

                  But let’s put your theory to the test: If it is an individual before biologists consider it viable, then remove it from the host (when the host does not want it) and see if it survives. You can help it all you want when it’s out, of course.

                  2. “It doesn’t make them non-individuals because you say they’re not viable.

                  It’s not me saying that. It’s nature saying that. Nature says that they’re utterly dependenton the host, that they’re not an ‘individual entity’, and that if you try to make force them to become ‘individual entities’ (by removing them), then they will die as nature has decreed.

                  3. “By your standards, if a woman tires of a child at ten, she can then kill it for her own convenience

                  Erm no, where did you get such an idea from? I’ve stated that when the foetus has reached viability then it is an individual, since it can survive as an individual entity.

                  I’ll answer more points later on.

                • Nukeman60

                  1) even if it dies, it’s still an individual, just a dead one.

                  2) People die all the time. It has nothing to do with individuality.

                  3) You dodged the issue once again.

                  Don’t bother answering more points. You’re not answering anything, you’re just spewing. The argument of viability and individuality are two seperate issues, but you’ve combined them to make your lame point.

                  You’re better off talking to the mirror, because that’s the only entity that believes you.

                • badbadlibs

                  A child in development doesn’t stop developing after being full term in the uterus, the child continues to develop sometimes as long as 23 years post delivery.
                  You are evil to the core. Just wanted to let you know that, you have a black heart and have been brainwashed by lies unfathomable in years past.
                  The children I carried were never my tonsils or appendix, you sick twisted evil pos.

            • Arrrggghhh

              BTW, do you know when a fetus is considered “viable” in the Jewish faith?

        • unclesamnephew

          dear cousin kordane, psalm 139 vs 13 “for you created my inmost being; you knot me together in my mother’s womb”. psalm 119 vs 73 “Your hands made me and formed me”. Jefferson 1776 declaration of independence our rights of Life, Liberty, and persuit of happiness are not from a government, rather from God

          • Kordane

            I never said that individual rights were from government. I insist that individual rights are necessitated by our nature as a rational being. It’s a falsehood to claim that the only sources are “from god” or “from government”.

  • brendawatkins

    Is this a Hollywood movie? OH THE DRAMA!!!

    • nyctreeman

      gonna take your birf controls away, all you sluts!
      gonna kick all you old peoples into da streets, to die wifout medicashuns!
      gonna stop spending money on edumicashuns and put little kidz to work in facterys!
      gonna make all ur waters and airs real dirty so we can gets more richer!

      *sinister laugh*

      • Sheik Yerbouti

        BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
        Lolcat Bankster!

        • nyctreeman

          hey Sheik

          didn’t know you were an Lolcat fan :P

          • Sheik Yerbouti

            HA!
            Actually, my daughter is always quoting lolcats stuff to me, so I kinda recognized it.
            I was actually hoping I wasn’t confusing it with something else. I’m pretty slow on the internet meme thing.

      • brendawatkins

        There’s no action going on over here.. I guess I’m a stingy slut.. haha

  • Rshill7

    Hey, I just read that the “Justice” department might investigate Romney for securities fraud. In other words, Holder, already guilty of contempt of congress, is going to investigate Romney. I’ll bet he’ll do a bang up job of that, even though he is “incapable” of doing anything about investigating Fast and Furious.

    If there is any shame anywhere in the world, could someone please locate it, grab it, and dump it all over Holder’s head? These folks are flesh-eating bacteria, you know that?!

    When Romney wins, I hope he nails these bastards to the wall and let’s them hang there, on display, as a deterrent to others.

    I was in a good mood too. I hope this is a sick rumor. If someone can substantiate it, I’d appreciate it.

    P.S. OK, it appears to be someone suggesting that it very well COULD happen. Sorry :-)

    • sDee

      Smart elephants, knowing this is coming could have the ad ready..

      “What does a desperate president do when losing relection?

      “Have his top cop trump charges against his political opponent”

      “I am Mitt Romeny and I approve this message”

    • johnos2112

      Obama will just pardon the pukes.

      • Rshill7

        He’d better do it before Ro-meany gets in :-V

        Heads need to roll like balls in a nationwide bowling tournament. But first they need to get their heads out of the gutter. Rimshot!

  • Nukeman60

    Typical White House press corps question and answer session with Obama (if he ever has one again):

    What is your solution to unemployment? – Romney’s company, Bain Capital, killed millions of people.

    What will you do about our excessive debt? – Romney loves the rich 1%ers, and wants to give them all your money.

    How will you secure our borders? – Ryan wants to ban birth control, thereby forcing 20 kids on each of you.

    What solutions do you have to stop Iran from getting Nukes? – Israel is mean to poor, innocent Arab nations. We need to help our Muslim friends.

    How will you handle Social Security and Medicare going broke? – Ryan wants to throw Grandma over the cliff. You all have Grandmas, don’t you?

    Will you raise taxes on the middle class? – Did I mention Romney is rich, with offshore accounts?

    How will you restore America to it’s former greatness? – I inherited the worst economy ever from Bush. You’re lucky to be alive, thanks only to me.

    Will you ever answer our questions with straightforward answers? – Did I mention I killed bin Laden? Thank you. Thank you all. You’ve been a great audience. Don’t forget to vote for me and vote often. Goodnight.

  • stevenbiot

    The only thing the administration forgot to add to the list is that Ryan would make sure alleys are clean so that women could perform their own abortions with hangers. What a bunch of wanker hacks.

    • Rshill7

      Yeah, prudent investors will be buying stock in hanger mfg. companies. Cha-ching!

      A great addition to one’s portfoli O’

      • stevenbiot

        One can use them for so many things: pop the lock in a car, fish wires in a house or a boat, hang clothes, hold on a car bumper or tailpipe, or perform you know whats. They are as versatile as duct tape down South.

        • unclesamnephew

          cousin steve, country boys (and girls) can survive, by clining to their God and guns. h

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000679899592 John Bohler

    Yup, If you’re a praticing Roman Catholic, be prepared for the hdious lie that you’re “going to take away peoples birth control.”

    Saw that same tactic first against Santorum, now against Ryan… How low they can go….

  • marketcomp

    Ryan is so innocent looking even an advertisement to demonize him will have no effect. Ok so on Saturday we were told that the dems were so happy and anxious to have Ryan on the ticket because now they can tell old people that he is going to take away their medicare. Well, that must not be working because in the process of telling people that Ryan was going to take away medicare Obama is now forced to talk about the economy and Medicare. However, today we get more scare tactics that little ole Paul Ryan hates women and he wants to take away your birth control. This is so ridiculous!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    If you can’t afford birth control then you shouldn’t be having sex. BC is cheap and readily available everywhere. Abstinence is even cheaper since it is free.

    Lily Ledbetter Act was to extend window longer in order to sue.

    Scoop is right this ad is unconscionable. If America doesn’t stand up and say this is to far then we are doomed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/newmanlon Lon Newman

    Both Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan have expressed their support for laws that confer constitutional and legal rights of “personhood” at the point of fertilization . . . many common forms of birth control (IUDs, for example) might have a post-fertilization effect. What is untrue about the claim?

  • maynardb50

    Well, so what? We could use more USA babies instead of all those Mexican babies.

  • https://twitter.com/#!/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    RS, I suggested that the debates will be rigged and that Obama and Biden will be fed the questions they will be asked. I also suggest that one of the questions for Ryan will be, how do you think you will be able to ban contraception and is it really fair to force women to have babies…………..just watch. I GARUUUNTEE.

  • http://twitter.com/thicker EB

    89 comments, all of which fail to address the issue at hand, as did the original post.

    Ryan cosponsored H.R. 212, which, unless it were amended, outlaws most forms of birth control pill, which work in part by making the lining of the uterus inhospitable to a fertilized egg..

    Is the issue that the pill is not a “common” form of birth control?

  • desertdigs

    Every word in the ad is TRUE about Paul Ryan. (Check congressional records)
    As Brandon & Cassy succinctly wrote: “so what’s the problem?
    Maya Angelou said ” when someone shows you who they are, believe it”
    Mitt Romney in his pick of Paul Ryan as his VP is showing us who he is.
    Believe it.

    Thirty 8 years ago I knew a woman who was raped at knife-point, and when the police showed up, theywere skilled -and brave – enough to shoot and kill the man who was STILL HOLDING THIS WOMAN AT KNIFE POINT. Her dreadful, horrific experience is true, and real, and thousands of women here and around the world have experienced this atrocity. (Read about the Bosnian war). Paul Ryan would force the woman I knew
    to have the baby produced in that horror.

    So,what’s the problem with the ad???????????????????????????????????????????????

    • badbadlibs

      I know a woman who was raped at gun point, kept her baby and has a fantastic, healthy relationship with him.
      Your point is mute, besides the fact that research shows that women who do not murder their innocent baby fair better then those who do.
      Further, much to my distaste, it’s Romney’s policies that would be in effect if he could even change the abortion laws, as the Mormon religion does not prohibit abortion in the case of rape.
      But, I do so enjoy you liberals showing your ignorance as often as possible.

  • comradecreek

    Didn’t Margret Sainger, the founder if planned parenthood state this was the way to control the black population?

    • desertdigs

      No.

      • badbadlibs

        You are ignorant of the facts. In her own words:

        “On the extermination of blacks:
        “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,” she said, “if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” Woman’s Body, Woman’s Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CPPAOLOEQKRXT2SI7R2UDGK5CI Al

    Which part is untrue?

    • badbadlibs

      If you want to spend your money enabling women to murder their children, pay for their birthcontrol and hope it works, pay for men to have the opportunity to be able to walk away from their responsibilities, then by all means, donate every single red cent you have to make it happen.
      But, just stop making the rest of us have to do the same. Put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is for a change.

  • cristina page

    Ryan is a the father of the federal “personhood” law which would outlaw all hormonal forms of birth control. So, it’s accurate.

  • Bbygiirl1206

    This man is just dumb as hell why in the hell would you take away birthcontrol and planned parenthood teenagers need to be on it and so do alot of older women. Why take away the a womens right to decide if she wants a baby or not what if she was raped or it was incest. Or maybe the girl is to young for a child think about what this man would do to the women out here we would all be screwed….