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I don’t have a ton of time to write this up as there are other things I want to blog tonight, so I’m just going to give you the debate and let you hash it out in the comments. I will say they really got going pretty good and they both made interesting arguments.

Enjoy!

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

    Glenn Beck schooling Bill O’really “stop talking about WWI” – LOL

    • Linkmeister2

      O’Reilly’s arrogance and ignorance sure shone through tonight as Beck once again schooled (or tried to, over the interruptions) him on history, how looking at history overall, we ar erepeating the mistakes of the past.

      • poptoy1949

        Think about this….O’Reilly is the History major.

        • Anonymous

          That, my good sir, just depressed the life out of me, I may have to change my major now…ugh.

        • Linkmeister2

          History major? He sure looked minor last night. It’s not just with Beck, it’s with other better informed guests and commentators. He keeps reiterating how he’s just a simple man – you say something often enough, it becomes reality.

          Mr. O, you are a pinhead.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=647186311 Thomas Parker

        I’m of the opinion that it isn’t generally a lack of historical knowledge that dooms us to repetition… it is the arrogant belief that somehow bad things won’t happen to us because collectively we are so much more intelligent than our predecessors.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    off-topic, but Chris Matthews is in the news again today (hotair)- found this on another forum, thought it would add to the Chris Matthews is stupid meme-

  • Anonymous

    When our leaders take this posture we’ll know they’re serious about dealing with Islam.

    http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=58390

  • Jimbo

    One plane, one pilot, one stealth and one nuke. Fight to win.

    • Anonymous

      The worlds largest glass parking lot….

    • Anonymous

      The worlds largest glass parking lot….

      • poptoy1949

        NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

  • Jimbo

    One plane, one pilot, one stealth and one nuke. Fight to win.

  • Anonymous

    We’re going to be in all out war with Islam. That’s a given it’s only a matter of when. We don’t have much of a leg to stand on where it comes to proclaiming freedom in that region. I was a part of the don’t look to close crowd because our approach seemed to be working. History now shows it wasn’t working, it was allowing the problem to fester and grow.

    After Egypt or what ever country strikes at Israel strike back but not in the winning hearts and minds sort of way. Strike back in the this is what happens to your country if you choose to go down this road sort of way.

  • Anonymous

    We’re going to be in all out war with Islam. That’s a given it’s only a matter of when. We don’t have much of a leg to stand on where it comes to proclaiming freedom in that region. I was a part of the don’t look to close crowd because our approach seemed to be working. History now shows it wasn’t working, it was allowing the problem to fester and grow.

    After Egypt or what ever country strikes at Israel strike back but not in the winning hearts and minds sort of way. Strike back in the this is what happens to your country if you choose to go down this road sort of way.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    Seriously- Glenn was about to reach over and smack BOR- Wish he would have.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.mahoney Robert Mahoney

    O’Reilly…what a pinhead.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    Could Beck be moving towards having a non-interventionist foreign policy that The Founders & Rep. Ron Paul have? I’d love to see how Beck’s views on FP compare to that of Rep. Allen West.

    • B-Funk

      Washington only really was pushing the idea for the first 20 years so that America could build up a sufficient military defense to prevent any retribution for foreign entanglements. He may have wanted it for longer, but he realistically was only planning for the first 20 years.

  • guest

    beck is an idiot and its a shame that he gets any air time at all.

  • Dickg

    Cannot believe what a simpleton beck is ! What a fear monger.

  • Peter Warner

    For Heavens sake, those two cannot conduct a cohesive conversation. O’Reilly kept interrupting, and Glenn kept responding to O’Reilly’s asides and interruptions. After listening to that noise, I still have no idea what the position of each actually is.

    Clear as mud.

    Gentlemen: let the other talk for two minutes, then respond. Outline your position on paper perhaps. Slow down and listen, then explain yourself, and consider the other. Where do you stand? Why? What do you see as the best course? Stop cutting into each other. You are there (on TV) to convince the audience, not the other personality person.

    I truly like and respect Glenn Beck, and agree with his values. His relationship with O’Reilly does not seem productive for clear thought, however. I really wish O’Reilly would listen and think more.

    Best regards, Peter Warner.

    • De_Facto

      B.O. consistently trys to make Beck his STOOGE.

      I really wish Beck would (could?) divorce himself from that relationship.

  • Tyler

    Anyone who seriously didn’t realize that O’Reilly was a neo-con needs to just labotomize yourself to finish the dumbing down.

    It’s all going to be a giant distraction. All out war with Islam? Glenn’s actually starting to say much of what I said a while back which is that those who are using Islam for political terrorism are really communists. The people of Turkey who I had heard saying this almost a year ago are probably either dead or hiding now.

    Distraction is the best word to describe it. You want a worldwide revolution to bring in the one-world government? What better way than to get religions involved. Nobody gets more passionate and riled up than religious folks.

    The 2012 prediction? If we don’t reverse this hate-filled path…I don’t think we’ll even make it that long.

    • poptoy1949

      Almost but not quiet.

  • poptoy1949

    I am a die hard Conservative. Over the years I have judged more than one debate in debate competition. This one I give the edge to O’Reilly about 52-48. You cannot be Switzerland today much less even 30 years ago. A Thesis could be written on just this one debate and its argument. That said think about this….It seems the Biblical writings are coming true. There is even a strong case for Nostradamus here. But whatever the outcome there is one fact that is true. Nobody is going to win this one…that is if there is a WAR in the near future. Conclusion…..The World as we know it will end. The sad part about all of this is Zero sitting in the Oval Office not knowing what to do and/or not really caring. GOD help us.

    • Tyler

      I have a hard time believing that only 144,000 out of the almost 7 billion people of our planet are going to be ascended.

      • fcdc

        Don’t forget, that’s 12,000 from each tribe of Israel. There will be millions more of the rest of us ascending! :)

  • poptoy1949

    I am a die hard Conservative. Over the years I have judged more than one debate in debate competition. This one I give the edge to O’Reilly about 52-48. You cannot be Switzerland today much less even 30 years ago. A Thesis could be written on just this one debate and its argument. That said think about this….It seems the Biblical writings are coming true. There is even a strong case for Nostradamus here. But whatever the outcome there is one fact that is true. Nobody is going to win this one…that is if there is a WAR in the near future. Conclusion…..The World as we know it will end. The sad part about all of this is Zero sitting in the Oval Office not knowing what to do and/or not really caring. GOD help us.

  • http://twitter.com/MooseOfReason MooseOfReason

    “Stay away from World War I.”

    That’s not an argument!

    You’ll notice, too, that O’Reilly doesn’t tell how the Shah came to power in Iran, although I think I can predict what he would have said about that:

    “Stay away from the coup, you pinhead.”

  • http://twitter.com/ajroo alec russo

    Its just such a complicated issue, a 7 minute segment cant begin to scratch the surface.

    Beck is right in saying that WW1 as an event, and Woodrow Wilson’s progressive designs on foreign policy before, during, and after its occurrence was the fork in the road that has led us down the path we are on right now. Just like an over powerful federal government which involves itself with every aspect of life and piles mistake on top of bigger mistake trying to fix what is truly an inherent flaw in the idea, the US becoming a country of wealth redistribution and world policeman has only involved us in an ever growing set of problems that we can never mend or remove ourselves from until the day we change our view of our role in the world.

    Once a Defender of freedom with the Monroe Doctrine, we became a pusher of progressive ideals on the world…..those are very different paths and it seems America has slowly evolved into the later since WW1.

    War is the last option and should be ruthless and destructive as possible. Not a way to find favor with a country’s people. Iraq and Afghanistan are perfect examples of progressive foreign policy hidden in the cloak of defending freedom.

    Those wars should have been over in 2 years, not still going on. We have lost sight of the true use of war, and the true idea of freedom. From everything i read, blame truly falls on progressive thought, and its tempting faux compassion.

    Ronald Reagan was our last President who understood true American ideals when it came foreign policy but it was still impossible for him to fix 70 years of progressive tinkering.

    Useful idiots in our own country have been the worst enemy to freedom America has ever known.

    • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

      I agree 100%, Part of the reason is none of these debacales are actually wars. There was NEVER war declared on Iraq, or Afghanistan.

      These Long term “military police actions” never end well, Outside of a formal declaration of war we should not invade another country, period. it has never ended well in history and I can not see it ever ending will if allowed in the future.

  • Anonymous

    I repeat (from another post on this blog):
    I would propose that ISLAM AND DEMOCRACY ARE INCOMPATIBLE, and that any attempt we make at getting countries like Egypt and Iraq to “convert” to democracy will fail either in the short term or in the long term because Islam, without sacrificing its central tenets, is not a religion of freedom but of bondage. Sharia law will tolerate no rival, even if patience and a peaceful facade have become the Islamic strategy in the west. The endgame is always domination.

  • Anonymous

    Beck is doing here what liberals do all the time. His point was fairly incoherent because he’s lost without a script and trying argue anything with Bill O’Reilly is enough to make an Einstein look like a fool. Beck is no Einstein.

    Beck’s position is despicable. He is parroting the Libertarian/Ron Paul view that it’s America’s fault because we don’t mind our own business. Except! Beck thinks it’s all the Progressives fault! Yeah. Just like every liberal who hates America and everything it stands for blames Right Wing Christian Conservates for why we deserve every thing they throw at us.

    Hey, Glenn, you’ve been watching too many Reverend Wright sermons. You sound just like him.

    • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

      Never have I heard Beck even come close to saying that it is America’s “fault”.

      He is standing on a principle that all free people should. That is one of Honest Dealing and support of free men.

      I will never side with a dictator of any type, no matter how much they support the USA. I rather have 100 truly democratic, freely elected governments that hate the USA than 1 despot that is abusing his people but happens to love the USA, or rather our Money and Military support.

      • Anonymous

        “Never have I heard Beck even come close to saying that it is America’s “fault”.”

        Yes you have. He just said it in that video. America won’t mind its own business and is hypocritical because we lie when calling for freedom while supporting tyrants who torture their own people. That’s exactly what he said.

        The fact that he blames the Progressives for it is beside the point. He’s arguing the exact point that Jeremiah Wright argues. He’s just using a different justification for why those chickens come home to roost.

      • Anonymous

        “Never have I heard Beck even come close to saying that it is America’s “fault”.”

        Yes you have. He just said it in that video. America won’t mind its own business and is hypocritical because we lie when calling for freedom while supporting tyrants who torture their own people. That’s exactly what he said.

        The fact that he blames the Progressives for it is beside the point. He’s arguing the exact point that Jeremiah Wright argues. He’s just using a different justification for why those chickens come home to roost.

        • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

          That is a statement of fact, not a statement of blame..

          If he is “Event X was caused because of Police Y and no other reason” that would be a statement of blame.

          Facts are the facts or are you stating that is a Untrue statement, that we have minded our own business and never supported any abusive tyrant?

          Liberals want to destroy the nation. I believe Beck wants us to LEARN from the mistakes, and yes supporting tyrants is a MISTAKE we made, so we can be a better nation

          BIG BIG difference

          • Anonymous

            Thanks for agreeing with me that Beck is saying exactly what Reverend Wright has said.

            Take your moral equivalence elsewhere. Nothing the United States has ever done in it’s history justifies the America hatred Beck is lamenting here. He’s no better than liberals who blamed Bush. It’s despicable what he’s saying.

            • Anonymous

              United States 20th century foreign policy, and large parts of the 19th, was little more than leaping into bed with every autocrat who was so much as not communist or not Islamist or gave the politicians the time of day.

              When you lay with dogs you’ll wake up with fleas, it’s time to wake up, Jaynie, the great holy empire of the “U.S. of A” is not some infallible force in the global freedom crusade. Democracy and freedom is the rhetoric, but from the perspective of everyone else in the world it’s a “freedom for me, but not for thee” playbook our “leaders” have been using. You can’t have any credibility as a force for good in peoples eyes when their only experience with you is war or installing and/or propping up human rights violating tyrants for short term political expediency. It’s no small wonder why every time a US supported dictator is overthrown the people flee to the group which is the least like the United States and often most opposed to the USA.

              I guess the CIA is anti-American too in your book, since the term is “blowback,” and they use it all the time. It’s where Ron Paul and other Libertarians got it in the first place.

              • Anonymous

                Take your moral equivalence elsewhere. Nothing the United States has ever done in it’s history justifies the America hatred Beck is lamenting here. He’s no better than liberals who blamed Bush. It’s despicable what he’s saying.

                • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

                  You have a strange definition of “America Hatred”

                  I guess you still directly touch hot objects since you clearly lack the ability to self analyze, admit when you have made a mistake and then adjust your behavior accordingly.

              • http://www.facebook.com/AMrSmith Robert Smith

                Call it what you will, but this is nothing more than foriegn bankers and our central bank making money off human despair and wars,

                • Anonymous

                  I don’t disagree with that either, Mr. Smith. There very clearly are war profiteers in this country who have EVERY incentive to use violence as one of the first resorts to solve a problem because our military industrial complex separates and distances the risk from the people reaping the benefits.

        • http://www.theancient.us The Ancient

          That is a statement of fact, not a statement of blame..

          If he is “Event X was caused because of Police Y and no other reason” that would be a statement of blame.

          Facts are the facts or are you stating that is a Untrue statement, that we have minded our own business and never supported any abusive tyrant?

          Liberals want to destroy the nation. I believe Beck wants us to LEARN from the mistakes, and yes supporting tyrants is a MISTAKE we made, so we can be a better nation

          BIG BIG difference

  • http://onfollowingchrist.wordpress.com Paul B.

    OR constantly must be in control, and sometimes that disjoints the conversations. The truth was to be had somewhere amidst the counterpoint. For now OR is king, and Beck is doing obeisance. But give Beck a better time slot and see what happens.

  • Anonymous

    What will Blowhard Bill ask BHO during his Super Bowl Sunday interview? I can hear it now, “Bill I just want to talk about the Steel/Pak not the Af/Pak”. I stopped watching O’Reilly because I can get the true scoop on The RightScoop.

  • chris

    Sounds like Glenn beck is starting to become Ron Paul republican. Hopefully

    • Tyler

      I’d like to see him detract the neo-con comments he’s made in the past about Ron Paul supporters. I won’t hold my breath though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/AMrSmith Robert Smith

    God is Time so let’s give Yahweh a chance to deal with His children, the Hebrews.

  • Elijay

    Um…did you guys just hear Glenn Beck say he wants the U.S. to be “Switzerland.” When did he turn into a hippy? Good thing he didn’t want to be Switzerland before we invaded Iraq, right? Who are you people who admire this guy? He’s not even bothering to be internally consistent and he is laughing all the way to the bank.