This conversation is asinine. The president and the congress cannot control what happens in a private sale between private citizens, and they know it. As long as the sale doesn't cross a state line, then it doesn't qualify as interstate commerce. Therefore, the federal government has no power to regulate it.
We must appeal to the State government to Nullify the Unconstitutional legislation hey are trying to force on us. And if our home states won't do it, then we need to relocate to a state that defends the Constitution.
A few things interesting things happening in State Nullification, right now.
Tenther Radio Episode #79: Nullification of Agenda 21 and Obamacare, 2012 Tenther Year in Review
Indiana Introduces Bill Nullifying UN ‘Agenda 21′
Indiana Bill Would Make the Implementation of “Obamacare” a Felony
Indiana State Senator Phil Boots has introduced a bill that would nullify implementation of Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act in the state.
SB 0230 would amend the Indiana Code concerning state and local administration.
Wyoming Legislators Take on the NDAA
Wyoming state representative Kendell Kroeker, along with reps Hunt and Miller, and Senator Case, are introducing a bill that declares the indefinite detention provisions of the 2012 NDAA to be unconstitutional, prohibiting enforcement of the federal act.
H.B. 0114 – The Liberty Preservation Act – is currently up for consideration in the Wyoming legislature, and could be heard later this week. It declares the above sections of the NDAA to be “inimical to the liberty, security and well being of the people of Wyoming” and further states that they were “adopted by the United States congress in violation of the limits of federal power in the United States Constitution.”
The bill not only cites the various constitutional violations of the NDAA, but makes it a criminal misdemeanor for state employees and public officers to participate in trying to implement the aforementioned provisions. This would be a bold step for Wyoming. If passed, they could possibly be the first state to make participation with the feds in kidnapping people under the NDAA a criminal act.
Representative Kroeker affirms that it comes down to the basics of his role as a legislator.
“The oath that I take is pretty simple; to uphold the United States Constitution, and the Wyoming Constitution. The provisions of the NDAA are a direct violation, and we have an obligation to push back against it.”
Several other states, including Washington and Texas, have similar legislation coming up this session. Sources close to the Tenth Amendment Center tell us to expect at least 12 states doing the same in 2013. (more…)
Obominationcare NULLIFIED In Alabama, Montana & Wyoming!!!
Bullcrap! Biteme can BITE ME!
It's just another case of "never let a good crisis go to waste".
Come and TRY to take my guns!
Does Biden realize then that we will actually have MORE illegal guns on the street not less?
Somehow I doubt it.
"Biden hints at outlawing unregulated ‘private’ gun sales".
Hey Joe, does that include all the 'unregulated private gun sales' in Obama's home town Ghetto, you hypocrite.
All the more reason for States to reject ALL FEDERAL Fiat legislation, concerning registration and make firearms available to Legal citizens which are not criminals or felons.
The moment you allow the feds to KNOW you have a firearm, will be the moment they begin to attempt to take that right away.
REJECT oBoZO and his Marxist Agenda. Uphold our Constitution, Get OUT of the UN NOW!
Arrest the FRAUD and Usurper Obozo and his corrupt Socialist/Marxist Administration. Restore Freedom and Liberty as our Founding fathers intended for this Nation.
There's nothing this guy wouldn't say and do to impose Obama's agenda on us. All the while with a sly grin.
First point- Biden is a nasty creepy disgusting little man, let alone a dumb@ss of enormous proportions, who wouldn't know, let alone care about the US Constitutionality of anything.
Second- The President, when issuing any executive order, it technically only applies to Fed govt agencies.
Obama cannot make laws, tax or otherwise, arbitrarily, or for whatever specific reason, via issuing an executive order that effects the civilian population, other than Martial law. Only Congress has that authority to make laws that effect the civilian population. Thus if he, Obama, were to do so, would be an Impeachable offense, even criminal. Of course, this RINO led Congressional House, and Obama-rat led Senate, will never hold Obama responsible for anything Illegal / Unconstitutional, let alone the Supreme Court.
But Obama does whatever he wants to, usurping the US Constitution as he wishes with impunity, because he knows nobody will do anything about it. Laws are only strong and effective when enforced. So if the US Constitution is not upheld, not enforced, even against the President, as with Obamacare's unconstitutionality being upheld by SC CJ Roberts, via his rubber stamping of his illegal mandate act, Obama knows no one will, especially not the Congress.
This is how great civilizations throughout time disappear from existence, by the corrupting of, the ignoring of their core values, principles, and legal, moral, ethical laws, let alone creating a system of tyranny and oppression that govt dictates their will upon the people of a nation, culture, society, even the world.
As the law is currently written, a seller in a private sale already IS actually responsible if a buyer would be disqualified per 4473 criteria and the seller was aware of said disqualifying criteria prior to the sale.
Few if any sellers have probably ever been prosecuted on this little known point though.
I've not seen any BJS data that ever drilled down to a granularity fine enough that would allow these type of prosecutions to even be identified.
My wife and I are planning to buy several weapons very soon. One of the reasons is this very kind of bull. There is no way that this Marxist agenda will not cause a second civil war. My question is why is the ubber insane left going out of they're way to produce such a tragedy that they claim they wish nothing more but to prevent? This is why I use the term INSANE!
I apologize for the length of this post but the information is excellent. It was sent to me from a Lawyer friend and I thought it was pertinent to our conversation.
Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.
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The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.
Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654 of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.
The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, “the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States.”
The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.
During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.
The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.
Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: “The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States.” In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, “that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it.”
“This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose.
Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power.”
The Honorable William Gordon
Congressional Record, House, Page 640 – 1917
Some things biden and leftist don't want us to talk about...
1.Eric Holder: Gun Owners Should 'Cower' in Shame Like Smokers
2.Obama Executive Order Needed To Sieze Assault Weapons Bought for Illegal Alien Gangs
3.Real gun threat: Illegal-alien street gangs
4.Illegal Immigrant Gangs Commit Most U.S. Crime
Criminal street gangs—mostly comprised of illegal immigrants—are responsible for the majority of violent crimes in the United States and are the primary distributors of most illicit drugs.
The alarming, but not surprising, information is revealed in a new report published by the Justice Department’s National Gang Intelligence Center (NGIC), an FBI task force created in 2005 to curb the growing threat of violent gangs in the U.S. The NGIC teams up with state and local law enforcement agencies throughout the nation to enforce, study and intercept gangs and has published several reports documenting their activities.
Before the agency’s publication was made public a national newspaper revealed some of its findings. It says that up to 80% of crime in the U.S. is committed by gangs and that gang membership in this country has grown to 1 million, an increase of 200,000 in the last few years.
5.Gun Owners: America’s New Bad Guys
It seems this administration will stop at nothing to install their agenda.
Prominent rifle manufacturer killed in mysterious car crash days after posting psych drug link to school shooters
(NaturalNews) What you are about to read is astonishing. I'm not even sure what's the right conclusion to draw from it. But here's what we know so far:
John Noveske is one of the most celebrated battle rifle manufacturers in America. His rifles, found at www.NoveskeRifleworks.com are widely recognized as some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware ever created. (I own one of his rifles, and it's a masterpiece of a machine that just keeps on running.) Sadly, John Noveske was killed in a mysterious car crash just a few days ago, on January 4, 2013.
According to the Outdoor Wire, his car "traveled across the oncoming lane onto the dirt highway shoulder until it struck two large boulders. The vehicle rolled and Mr. Noveske was ejected."
But barely a week before this incident, John Noveske posted a lengthy, detailed post on Facebook that listed all the school shootings tied to psychiatric drugs. At the end of the post, he asked, "What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on?"
In all of this screaming, has anyone, ANYONE, suggested that maybe criminals who use illegal guns be given siffer jail time penalties? Why is the focus on LEGAL gun owners and NEVER on vast majority of the people who commit the real crimes in this country? Mass shootings (thankfully) are very rare. The bulk of the murders are committed with the use of ILLEGAL guns, like all the gang violence that is currently taking place in Chicago. There will always be some innnocent people killed with guns. That has always been the case in this country. But why not give harsher jail time to the bulk of the people who use illegal guns to break the law? That would probably do a lot more to reduce gun deaths than constantly making life more difficult for legal gun owners.
Here's an idea, let's look into Obama's background for a change.
Okay, Sober already did that one.
Here's another idea: Let's pretend the Bill of Rights exists, and is the law of the land.
What we need to start doing is getting in touch with commanding officers to find out where they stand. Constitution or Obama.
Why is Obama doing all this?
Obama has been taking lessons from after the great depression ever since he took office. He's following to the letter the actions of the liberals back then that claimed they pulled us out of that terrible time. He also knows that the only thing that actually did pull them out of their status was WWII.
Hmmm, now all he has to do is find a country that he doesn't like and start a war. Oh, I know. How about the United States of America. He doesn't like us very much and a war here would suit him just fine.
Want to bet the government will manage to get additional tax revenues from these former 'private' sales and the 'universal' background checks?
It's funny how they are fine with drug cartel's having U.S. guns but not law abiding citizens..They are good at what they do because I have been waiting for someone to pay for anything.There used to be a time when we could "prove" there was wrongdoing..but we are livng in a time when all proof has plenty of time to walk away..
Nothing has made me sadder in 2013 then listening to a vet who is now legally blind and pretty much needs help to do everything, ask what he did it all for..If we can lose our freedom right at home, with no one aiming a gun at him...??
Biden is THE LOOSE CANNON on the deck of the ship !
He can't keep his thoughts or tongue straight
AND Biden has IDEAS?
YEAH - RIGHT!
NRA stmt from WH mtg - no suprises, WH has no focus on protecting children, focus is on limiting 2nd Amendment. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/news-from-nra-ila/2013/statement-from-the-nra-regarding-today%27s-white-house-task-force-meeting.aspx?s=&st=&ps=
Well that's good because now all the drug dealers, excons and gang bangers won't be able to buy anymore guns because it will be against the law. If they would just take away the drivers licenses of those who commit drivebys we could put and end to that too.
How IRONIC this is
ZERO is probably not even qualified to be PREEZY
but HE is demanding background checks on US Citizens!
He is loving every second of this - He is a sick bastard!
I think WE did a pretty thorough background check on Biden and Obama, and we tried to warn folks. But the LSM covered everything up and spoon fed the low-information voters.
And now we must all suffer the consequences!
That's just racist! Come to think of it, doing a background check on potential gun owners is potential profiling. What are these people, background truthers or what?
Hmmm, I think we have something here...
Oh Lordy! Crazy Joe is at it again! I guess he's Zero's mouthpiece now? Does Zero have laryngitis? They just don't get it. They are going to push as hard as they can to try to control or ban guns, by piecemeal if necessary. Hey Crazy Joe, tell your master this: try banning anything that has to do with Second Amendment rights will cause civil unrest and loss of life...or is that what you all want? If you want civil unrest, you and yours will be classified with the likes of Stalin, Mao Zedong, Hitler, and all of the other totalitarians of the 20th century. However, your fate will be much different from theirs.
I've come to notice that every time Obama wants to do something that is potentially damaging to his political career, he has Biden put it out and then tells the media to say it was just a Biden gaffe.
Biden doesn't do anything that Obama (and his boss, Valerie) haven't already told him to do. It works better than a poll.
Zero's CYA skills are impressive. I don't believe he has truly blamed himself for any of the ills he has brought on this country. If he has owned up to something, I haven't heard about it. He always blames others. He and his administration are the worst collection of worthless do-nothings this country has ever seen. Heck, Zero is still blaming Bush for his f-ups, even after he said the recession was over...twice. When is he prepared to take responsibility for any of the damage he has done? Where's the accountability? It must be good to be the Messiah.
Hey Joe you sorry SackofSH#T. What I bought legally I will in turn sell any time I DAMN WELL FEEL LIKE IT you no good elitist ignorant stupid POS! The left wants a war and it seems they have forgotten that we on the right have most of the guns. I HATE THE LEFT!
I was asked the other day, "Why are not more 2nd amendment supporters speaking out?".
I replied that after having visited several sporting goods stores and multiple websites selling 2nd amendment goods it is obvious.
The stores and websites I visited are all out of stock of the same items and have no idea when products will be available again!
People paying attention are preparing...
good luck convincing tens of millions of outraged parents about what the debate is supposedly about. If people don't have something BETTER than Feinstein's grab, then guess what we will end up with - a gun grab. We have about 2 weeks before this garbage will be rammed thru congress. You better have a good argument why people ought to defeat it. So far, I hear only Preaching To The Choir. Yawn. How about some new ideas. And soon.
Problem is the leftist control the narrative. The right play polite and try to answer questions. Wrong play, right needs to take control put the left on defense and never let go. The right needs to ask why the left always creates these defense free zones know as gun free zones! Ask them why everywhere gun control has been enacted why has violent crime increased! Ask them why they call for violence to end violence!
Here is another question for everyone; why everyone is distracted with gun control what is the left doing while we are looking away? Must be a whopper they are about to impose upon us!
Oh goody, there will no longer be gang bangers with guns! You go Joe! The idiocy of Washington never ceases to astound me. This same group, the liberal, and increasingly atheistic left have consistently pushed federal courts to deregulate behavior that is reprehensible, have done everything in their power to make it almost impossible to uphold laws against perpetrators of crime, and have pushed to negate ones conscience as to standards. YET, they think they will get rid of murder by banning a object, in this case, a gun? Are they so disconnected with cognitive reasoning ability to understand they have created this problem in the first place, and by continuing down their road to hell they will make it a paradise?
Symbolism over substance, tyranny over freedom, kneejerk over common sense, ignorance over wisdom, lefty opinion over constitutional guarantee.
Guess what? No.
There ain't nothin' you can do about it. Try obeying the law of the land yourself for starters. Who's beating down your door demanding guns be regulated and/or restricted even more? Can you not glean some info from those areas with the strictest gun laws already? How many sleeping giants do you want to awaken?
Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum, you are absolutely dumb.