The Biggest problem with finding the best person for the job, is the laim stream media! no one in their right mind would want to present themselves on a siver platter for the L S M to run rough shot over them! that is the problem today! the media is NOT unbiased any more or never has been!
Excellent points. I am a conservative, anti progressive, anti big gov, anti GOP, anti RINO guy etc.
But I learned my lesson with Ross Perot. I was disgusted in 80s after the Tianamen square protest, I watched as students who stood up to tanks were jailed, and then Bush senior (who I had supported) grants China most favored nation status, all in name of free trade. Great, so that guy in front of the tank can make a cheaper pair of sneakers for us at gunpoint now. Angrily, I voted for Perot "in protest."
What did my protest get me? A Clinton upset victory, higher taxes, and Clinton selling nuclear missile MERV technology to the Chinese, the Los Alamos fire nuke secrets to the Chinese, WACO, Ruby Ridge, blue dress impeachment disgrace on and on...
Oh yeah, and 3000+ dead Americans when Clinton didn't accept Bin Laden on a silver platter from a foreign ally who HAD HIM in custody. Why? Political optics. Benghazi anyone?
Ron Paul and Johnson know all this. For them to not bow out and throw support to Romney now is dangerous arrogance for our republic. They had their chance and both ran in the primaries.
We simply cannot survive an Obama victory from a "protest vote"... not going to go though all the Romney vs Obama differences, cause you know em all or can go to their websites. But consider just this one point... we have four, that's FOUR Supreme Court justices approaching age 80 next year or two. That's four appointments Obama can destroy us with. The word libertarian will be a distant pleasant memory if that happens folks. It's your choice: Orwellian nightmare or at least a chance with Romney, who BTW does not like the FED or QE infinity either.
You are not alone PoliticalM. my whole family has learned that very same lesson! and I hope there are enough of us out there to make a differnce this time around, this time the stakes are so much higher than ever before, this Great Country of ours can not take another 4 yrs of this P O S in the WH, him and all his fools running this Country like we cant see what is going on in his "transparent" administration?!!!!, there has never been a more secretive, partisan and untrustworthy admin. in the history of this Great Nation a Nation built on the Blood, sweat and tears of countless patriots throughout our history! we can not, and I believe will not, let this "Man" distroy what our Forefathers, with the guidence from God, has produced, to help more people, from more countries prosper and live in peace and Freedom.
LORD, let me say this the way I mean it. I've been wrestling with this dilema since it became obvious that Romney would be the Rebublican nominee. I understand the argument that not voting for him on conservative principles would be unpatriotic and would clearly cause the downfall of our nation. On the other hand, God's Word says that men or Angels that bring a perverted Gospel are accursed. If a man's Angel or Prophet says that JESUS and Satan are brothers, their gospel is perverted. "Let GOD be true, and every man a liar." I will not vote for any of the presidential candidates for my conscience toward GOD, and will put my faith and trust in Him, come what may. "For GOD so love the world that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Robert H.: all of what you said has a lot of merit, but on the other hand, I believe would be playing right into the devils hand, you see the devil was Gods right hand man at one time, but he became to big for his own britches so the speak, so God banished him to what became known as Hell! and in doing so the devil has been working against good for ever! Can you in good conscience let bho have another 4yrs. to place extream lefties on the Supream Court! (roe v. wade would go on forever),can't you see that one point? that in and of itself is bad enough for me. Please reconcider and think some more about the long term damage that 4 more yrs of bho would do, who would you trust with a member of your family? a "man" with no past, (unsealed records anyway) or a man that has been an open book, that has given so much more of his OWN $$$$ in all probablility than all the Presidents Cabinet! (I would believe that more than the other way), Mitt is a member of a Religion that is not so diff. than most Christians, and they ARE Christian, the man does not smoke (anything) drink alcohol, swear, (no one has ever heard him), and is a devoted husband and father of a beautiful family, and we know who his father's father is (for sure) that has been stable and faithfull in their beliefs, and has nothing to hide, no sealed records, all his school records are there to see. Mitt has a love for this Country that bho will never have for any country, his "love" is in social ideas that have no place in America! and never will.
Why don't you see this on the left so we can be even stevens? Why don't vocal numbers of them refuse to vote for BHO and get behind the Green Party? There wasn't a bitter feud/divide after they got upset with Nader for their loss that was noticeable.
I'm fine with Gary Johnson as a person. He had a good line in the little time he had in the debates, has a good tax cutting record and while he'll do really good for a 3rd party candidate I'm sure, he won't threaten Romney's election. Many of Paul's people wouldn't vote for us anyways, and the college kids Paul gets are way more likely to have been in Obama's constituency so they could get more votes that would be Obama's otherwise.
Obviously I'm voting for Romney, Paulbots are actually right on drugs and the Patriot Act, but they're unfortunately unhinged and have an obvious deeper, nastier vendetta against Romney than they do against Obama. And this is THE last chance to get America back before it's gone because after another Obama term, America would never be the same. Obama hates America and won't even have limited constraints of an election in a second term so we may not survive another term from him, Romney will have a conservative House and Senate to keep him in check if he goes astray as President. People at home were holding Bush's feet to the fire by 2006, so the Tea Party's not going to die but keep America alive.
I've seen Paul trash almost every major person in the conservative movement as evil and the bots are worse, but I have yet to see him say something memorable and harsh against Obama except the Al-Awlaki killing. And that's the guy in power, the man, the most big government President ever. His bots prefer sniping at the right who agree on smaller government 90% of the time.
They say everyone's a fiscal liberal but endorse the Occupy Marxist movement with it's class warfare. He'll negotiate with Achmadinejad and seems to think Clinton was impeached for adultery instead of perjury and used that in an attack ad. Ventura thinks 'religion is for the weak-minded' and we're somehow better off now than four years ago.
They talk about the media's bias, I hate it too and of course it's biased, but when they talk about it, well, they really hate Fox News. Their attacks on the 'MSM' are either Fox News the station with the most amounts of opposition to the tyrannical government, or generic CNN hosts. I don't see a lot of wrath most of the time against the White House's unholy Pravda at MSNBC. They like the explicitly Obama partisan Daily Show.
They somehow claimed the media promoted the other candidates, but the one other candidate that didn't get his wrath was Huntsman the Obama appointee who actually got the liberal media's approval.
Sat. 10/20 9:30 pm CST: Fox News- Geraldo had Gary Johnson on his show. Johnson was boohooing not being on the national ticket. When asked if he was trying to be a "spoiler" to take votes away from either canidate, he replied he didn't care because "the people" that being US have to know the views of the Libertarian Party. I could kick this guys a--s !
The following items are from the website of Gary Johnson (GoTo > Issues > Foreign Policy).
Let me start with three items only, and see how things go.
 "With Osama bin Laden now killed and after 10 years of fighting, U.S. forces should leave Afghanistan's challenges to the Afghan people."
This shows his utterly useless and mind-boggling out-of-this-world ignorance of a politico-theocratic-genocidal-suicidal-hegemonic world view called Islam with its attendant sharia laws, some of which can be reviewed below. Gary Johnson thinks that killing OBL and Afghan war is everything. Scrap-note to Gary Johnson: The root cause is Islam:
Concept of Taqiya (taqiyya, taqiyyah, taqiyya):
While you are at The Religion of Peace, check this out:
(scroll down for more, from 2001 to the present)
Concept of Abrogation (Naskh):
Killing of non-muslims is legitimate; muslims are innocent in eyes of allah:
Islam: What the West needs to know (1 hr: 38 mins: 41 secs):
All non-Muslims are Kafirs (kafur, kufir, kufur), Infidels, Unbelievers, and include apostates from Islam, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Practitioners of Jainism, Confucianism, Taoism, Shinto, Sikhism, Bahai Faith, Druidism, Native American Spirituality, and Atheist, Agnostic, Eclectic, etc., all minor religion practitioners, all indigenous religion practitioners, all other various religion practitioners, and everyone who do not believe in any religion whatsoever (as long as they are not muslims).
Because Jews and Christians have a theological and historical Abrahamic link to Muslims (as claimed by muslims but has been debunked easily by scholars), they are accorded a special subclass of Kafirs: They are called, "People of the Book", or "People of the Scriptures".
Muslims will do THREE things to Jews and Christians (People of the Book) as Kafirs:
(a) Conversion to Islam.
(b) Relegated to low-class Dhimmi status (and retaining their Jewish and Christian faiths, and still can be alive.)
(c) Conquer and kill them.
Muslims will do TWO things to the rest of the Kafir population (Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, all other religion practitioners, and people who do not believe in any religion - excepting Jews and Christians):
(a) Conversion to Islam.
(b) Conquer and kill them. (There is NO Dhimmi status accorded for this group. If you are a Hindu, a Buddhist, an Atheist, any other religion practitioners, or if you do not believe in any religion - other than being a Jew or a Christian, you will not be given a chance of keeping your faith and continue to live - even as a low-class Dhimmi. You will be given TWO options only: Become a Muslim or die.)
Conversion to Islam (Stealth Jihad by various means including: starting from innocent looking befriending, gradual exposure to Islam, using the pretense of studying multiculturalism, exchange of theological ideas, studying as foreign exchange student in Muslim countries, hiding behind the tenet of free speech in free countries which no Muslims enjoyed in any Muslim countries, naive and/or desperate students of any age, naive and/or desperate girls and women, down and out desperate people who are looking for anything to ease their emotional pain, prisoners, seduction, gradual coercion, and when they are in a stronger position - conversion to Islam under the sword.)
Dar el Islam = In the eyes of Muslims the world is divided into two areas. Dar el Islam is the area where the Islamic state reigned and the Islamic Sharia law is sovereign. Meaning: "House of Islam".
Dar el Harb = The rest of the area of the world. Meaning: "House of War", or "War Zone". It meant that outside the "dar el Islam", there is perpetual war until the end of time.
Salaf = "In his works, the illuminated doctrinaire (Ibn Taymiya) of the thirteenth century postulated:
(a) The Islamic state was the result of a commitment by the early founders, including the companions of the Prophet and his successors, the salaf; they possessed the only right codes of behavior, which brought about the rule of Allah on the planet. They acted in a way that satisfied the maker of Heaven and Earth. Hence, only the way of the salaf was the the right way …..
(b) Those Muslims who diverted from the path of the salaf were to be considered as infidels or apostates …..
(c) There could be no peace with the infidels ….."
Hence the term: Salafi, Salafist.
Muslim Brotherhood memo for U.S. infiltration: “An Explanatory Memorandum: On the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America”:
http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf a 32 pages document, pages 16 to 32 being in English translation.
Muslim Brotherhood "Project":
http://www.glennbeck.com/publish/uploads/2012/09/The-Project-Arabic-and-English.pdf a 24 pages document, pages 15 to 24 being in English translation.
Jihad by the Numbers:
The Future of the Global Muslim Population - Projections for 2010-2030:
39 Ways To Serve And Participate In Jihad:
To Our Great Detriment: Ignoring What Extremists Say About Jihad (Stephen Collins Coughlin):
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, December 10 1948:
Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam, 1990:
"ARTICLE 24: All the rights and freedoms stipulated in this Declaration are subject to the Islamic Shari’ah. ARTICLE 25: The Islamic Shari’ah is the only source of reference for the explanation or clarification of any of the articles of this Declaration."
Here is the indispensable Prophet of Doom:
Quran, Ahadith, Tafsirs for the die-hard skeptics. It's all in there:
Skeptic's Annotated Quran:
The Noble Quran (Muhammad Al-Hilali, Muhammad Muhsin Khan) (pdf, 29.56 MB):
King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur'an (Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah, Saudi Arabia):
Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu-Dawud, Malik's Muwatta (ahadith):
Check Chapter 52. Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihad). There are 288 ahadith in this chapter. Click "Next" at the bottom of page:
Sahih Al-Bukhari, volume - 1 (19.21 MB):
Sahih Al-Bukhari, volume - 2 (17.10 MB):
Sahih Muslim, volume - 1 (19.23 MB):
Sahih Muslim, volume - 2 (19.23 MB):
Tafsirs (Commentaries) are very useful to find out what the Quran really means. For example: you can find out about "The Verse of the Sword", Sura 9:5 by going to chapter 9, verse 5, and it will explain to you in detail with a full commentary. You can also check 2:216, 2:191, 3:56, 4:95, 5:33, 8:12, 8:15, 8:16, 8:65, 9:29, 9:73, 9:111, 9:123, 48:20, 48:29, 61:4.
(Use the dropdown menus to choose the Sura, Verse number, Schools and Tafsir, and click Display)
In the Shade of the Qur'an (Tafsir by Sayyid Qutb, 18 volumes):
Tafsir Ibn Kathir (10 volumes, 31.66 MB):
 "Decades after the collapse of the Soviet Union, American troops remain scattered throughout Europe. It is time to reevaluate these deployments."
Gary Johnson needs to speak to Anatoliy Golitsyn and David Horowitz. Communism is alive and doing well internationally. A flaming jihadi communist going back for three generations as POTUS, not that he and his cohorts did not tell the world who they really are.
New Lies For Old - The Communist Strategy Of Deception And Disinformation (Anatoliy Golitsyn) 1.5 MB:
The Perestroika Deception (Anatoliy Golitsyn) 1.5 MB:
Discover The Networks:
Frankfurt School, Political Correctness, Cultural Marxism:
Tactics Of The Left:
Soros and related items:
We have already seen him many times but it will not hurt the cause to remind people occasionally: Yuri Bezmenov:
 "The U.S. must make better use of strategic alliances which allow greater sharing of the human and financial burdens at less cost of protecting national interests."
Google "Agenda 21" and weep. Communism in slow-release cyanide capsule.
American Policy Center:
Agenda 21: Conspiracy Theory or Real Threat?:
What is Sustainable Development?
The Sustainable Development Timeline 2009 - while the Right is sleeping:
(Check the Archives and Gateway)
Our Common Future: Brundtland Report (1987, pdf, 300 pages, 3.96 MB):
Brundtland Commission Chairman: Gro Harlem Brundtland (Norway):
Rio Declaration on Environment and Development (A/CONF.151/26/Rev.l, Vol. l, June 1992, pdf, 492 pages, 39.98 MB) :
The Forest Principles, A/CONF.151/26 (Vol. III), August 14, 1992:
United Nations Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform:
United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development (UNCSD), Rio+20:
Rio+20 Conference website:
I have left out many reading materials and video links.
I only chose 3 items from the Foreign Policy section. I went through the site and decided to give a rest to the remaining sections and items. The case against his stance is so overwhelming that the readership will easily become bored to death just by reading the above links. With such unbelievable weakness in policy stance, especially foreign policy, there is no way that Gary Johnson stands a chance in the national and international scene. I really do not want to do this. But every where I go someone is always pushing Gary Johnson in people's faces like a clown in a county fair. His world view looks great on paper and also as a random collection of theories not supported by real world events and situations.
Austrian School of Economics and Libertarianism (free pdf books):
General Index: http://mises.org/Literature
By Authors: http://mises.org/Literature/Authors
The Online Library of Liberty (free pdf books):
You might as well vote for bho! that is what you are doing. Giving a "man that hates America, and will taint the Supreme Court for many yrs to come, over what?so you can feel good about voting for your guy? I would vote for him also, but he has NO chance, I would vote for any one or thing before I voted for bho! but it just so happens that Mitt Romney is very qualified for the office of POTUS, enough said.
My son recently became a small business owner and up until then he had always worked for large corp businesses. Now with all his responsibilities, his clear understanding of the tax structure for small business by virtue of paying huge sums of money to the government, and his knowledge of what is about to hit his business venture with heavy tax burdens (such as Obamacare) he has clearly voiced his outrage. In fact, he is pissed! (Can I say that?) He has little to no trust with any politician let alone the governments that be. He has also voiced his dismay with the choice of candidates before us and he feels that neither candidate will curb the burden of big government and has told me he wasn't going to vote. I said, "What?"!
We have gone round and round (we were texting all this too, ugh!) on the subject and ultimately I told him, look, if the current administration gets four more years and you succumb to heavier taxes and regulation, then don't come complaining to me. I was that blunt. I literally told him that Mitt Romney was a far better candidate than what we have now and how important it was to vote in new, conservative-leaning candidates in the house and senate. It is that crucial.
It's interesting because he wants so badly to be left alone and be able to achieve whatever his God=given talents allow him. I told him I couldn't agree more. But I said that America wasn't conceived in a day and it will take time and several election cycles to turn this mess around and he must remain vigilant!
He told me that in fact he will be voting come election day!
On a side note: He voted Obama in 08! ( I was really pissed! ) Oh well, live and learn!
My sister voted for Obama in 08 because "he was black". Her honest words. She now also says she was an idiot and is voting for Mitt Romney. Every time I give her crap about it she's just smiles and says "I know I know....I stupid."
I am not a fan of texting….. Recently, my 20something year old son told me that most his age dont listen to voicemails anymore. They just look to see who called, and either text them back- or call them.
Definitely a generation gap thing.
Earlier this year all four of ours were in the same room at the same time, rare. I told them: that "item" in their hand was a phone that has texting. If they want dear old dad, they better CALL me because mom will text you back. But I'll put my foot in your butt if I get a text asking for $ : )
We were on vacation earlier this year- outstanding beach, great pool. We couldnt believe how sooo many YOUNG couples were glued to their phones. We locked ours in the safe. At one point this couple was sitting near us at a poolside table and we wondered if they were TEXTING each other.
No, we'll make sure you Paulbots never get a chance to interfere in our primaries again. That way we can finally get OUR candidate, rather than splitting our votes with yours and getting the GOP candidate. If you're a Libertarian, then keep your Libertarian ass in the Libertarian party, and stay OUT of our party's political selection process.
To be honest about it, I believe they just want the Federal government out of the drug business. Which I agree with. Do I think they should be legal in the separate states? No, but that is something that should be left up to the states and people respectively as the 10th Amendment says. The federal gov't has not power over the drug industry. Now if some of the libertarians are too naive to believe that if the federal gov't gets out of the drug business, then all drugs become legal then thats their fault. I believe the majority of states would keep all drugs illegal. Some would allow marijuana but thats about it.
The point here is that Paul (who is NOT a Republican) ran under the guise of BEING a Republican to take OUR money (that we donated FOR REPUBLICANS to use) to get his name out there. He STOLE money from OUR candidates' campaigns to use for his own, IN ADDITION to using his own campaign donations (the point being he STOLE from OUR candidates of choice). He has been one giant fraud since the very beginning...and you really could not care less that he stole money from real Republicans in our own primary race...
While I totally agree that a Ron Paul or Gary Johnson vote is a throw-away vote, I think that Republicans should do more to embrace Libertarians as part of their platform.
In places like San Francisco, a Libertarian would be more palatable than an average Republican. In all the Democrat strongholds, maybe a new approach would be worth considering?
I'd argue that a vote for a Republican (rather than Libertarian) candidate is the real throw-away vote, because when you vote Republican then you vote for statism-lite, rather than liberty. Any vote that is not for liberty is a throw-away vote.
Who is it right now taking away more liberies than ever? democrats! thay want to control every aspect of your life, Republicans would just as soon leave you alone than a democrat would.
That's what primaries are for.
You do the best you can every day, and right now, the best I can do is a vote for Romney.
Yes, which is why I think the approach Rand is taking is the right one. He is working WITH republicans, not against them. He's advancing libertarian principles in a palatable way. As Nukeman said in another comment, RP supporters would rather jump out the 3rd floor window than take the steps. It's not a good strategy.
When Romney ends up being the statist-lite that we all know he is, the government continues to grow as a result, and liberty continues to be diminished - Will all of you Republicans out there vote Libertarian the next time around, or will you just (drone like) end up voting for the next statist-lite, learning nothing from the last time and the time before that and the time before that?
I think you'll do the latter until you find that you're living under complete tyranny and are no longer able to correct your error through the ballot box - Then there will be civil war, and many people will die.
If this happens Kordane, I cnnot promise that I will vote libertarian but I can promise that I will not settle for a package candidate like a Chris Christy or a Jeb Bush and look for someone who has a Constitutional knowledge like Allen West, Sarah Palin, or Rick Santorum. We have a deep bench of candidates who are conservative and are not ashamed to admit that and we have more on the way.
The better strategy would be for RP supporters to get behind Mitt and keep building the groundwork for Rand to run in 2020. Rand is making great strides for the libertarian cause by being reasonable and less "kooky" if you will -- he has a better libertarian presentation, and he isn't spiting republicans but rather trying to work WITH them as he moves his cause forward. We will have a very good chance of our next republican president being someone with strong libertarian principles if we follow Rand's lead.
I don't understand Ron Paul. He aligned himself with Mitt Romney during the primary and helped knock out every conservative candidate we had, and then when Mitt became the nominee, he stopped short of endorsing him. He comes across to me as extremely selfish and manipulative, the same qualities I despise in Obama.
Do as you with rosie, we are talking to brick walls here today. IGNORE the liberals and libertarians that stop in here and they will tire of a def ear and go POUT somewhere else.
Ron Paul enabled Romney's candidacy by attacking all the other viable conservative alternatives at all points in the primary.
That his supporters are ignoring this inconvienent truth is telling.
Did you see this vid of O's camp taking a loan out with Bank of America for campaign?
There was a point in this campaign when I thought we would really need the libertarian vote, but I don't think so anymore. The RP/GJ supporters think they're holding everyone hostage with their principles, but really, they're in their own little world, living in a bubble, convincing themselves their votes will make a difference in this election. Nonsense. Romney is doing great without them.
That was the narrative during the primary season, but if it is true, why would Whittle even bother making this video?
I agree. I also think that all Paul and/or Johnson voters, if they stand on their principles, should state what they voted come Nov 7th. I know the secret ballot is part and parcel to our Constitution and they have a right not to say, but if they truly believe what they say, and Obama wins because of them, then they should stand up and face the music.
It's really a mute point, though, because if Romney wins, they can say "we didn't vote for him. We're clean here" and if Obama wins they can say 'We didn't vote for him. We're clean here". Win-win for them, I guess.
Of course, if Romney wins, and I firmly believe he will, then they can bask in the improvements of our economy right along with us, without ever having to do anything about it.
If Obama wins, and it's close, then I don't think it's a win for RP supporters. I think they'll be blamed. And all that work they're doing to try to further their principles will be wasted. It will be held against them, and they will ruin any future chance of a libertarian running for president with an actual chance of winning.
I happen to love Rand Paul and have a big libertarian streak in me. I think he is approaching it realistically and he and his dad have been building the groundwork for Rand's future run (hence RP's alliance with Mitt Romney, as well as Rand Paul's), but if the libertarian party gets blamed for an Obama win in this election, Rand Paul will never stand a chance, and the libertarians will have set their cause back decades.
Very well said. I'm with you -- it's not going to be that close anyway, which brings me back to my original post. We can argue all day long with RP/GJ supporters, but why bother? Romney doesn't need them, and their influence on this election is zero.
You make some very good points here. The Libertarians may well set themselves back, but I'm hoping it isn't that close. I like Rand Paul, as well. I have relatives in Kentucky, near Fort Knox (my sister, who lives here in Illinois, has bought property down there as well to build on), and the people down there are all decent folks (a place I have considered moving to).
There is a bit of Libertarian in all of us, unless you're a RINO (which I equate with the Dems, anyway). We are trying to build a party that has our Conservative values and it takes baby steps along the way.
We all want smaller government, lower taxes, a sound fiscal policy, and security for our country. I think the good parts of the Libertarian Party may well merge with the Tea Party, as well as the Conservative party, to come up with an acceptable place where we can all dwell happily.
But, once again, it's baby steps. If we attempt to leap out the 3rd floor window, instead of taking the stairs, simply because we want to be on the ground floor quickly, we all know where that's going to land us and it does absolutely no good. Some people see that and work toward that end, while some don't, or can't, see it at all and decide to jump.
We all have choices.
Are you going to blame the Libertarian Party or libertarian Republicans? They are two different things.