***UPDATE: SHOOTER FIRED, KILLED BOSS*** Several people shot outside Empire State Building, gunman dead


This via Drudge:

NEW YORK (AP) — New York City officials say several people have been shot outside the Empire State Building and that the gunman is dead.

City police say three or four civilians have been wounded in the Friday morning shooting and that the shooter is dead.

A fire department spokesman says it received a call about the shooting just after at 9 a.m. Friday and that emergency units were on the scene within minutes.

The spokesman had no information about how many people were wounded or their conditions.

The shooting occurred at 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.

UPDATE 1: From the New York Post:

A dispute between coworkers exploded into gunfire outside the Empire State Building this morning, leaving at least two dead including the gunman and an innocent bystander — and a total of 10 people shot, sources said.

Responding cops killed the gunman shortly after 9 a.m. at the jam-packed intersection of 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.

It’s unclear what sparked the deadly argument, which happened in the heart of the morning rush on a street loaded with commuters and tourists.

The shot bystanders include a female who died from her wounds, the sources said.

Others were shot in the buttocks and legs.

The victims were taken to St. Luke’s Hospital and Bellevue.

Traffic is being diverted around the scene.

: Here’s the latest version from the NY Post – now 3 dead:

A disgruntled worker stalked a colleague down a Midtown street, shot him dead and then turned his weapon on random pedestrians outside the Empire State Building — killing at least one innocent bystander and shooting up to seven others before he was cut down by a cop on foot patrol, sources told The Post.

The 9 a.m. mayhem sent commuters and tourists in a panicked scramble from the jam-packed intersection of 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.

“This is the last thing you are expecting to see walking to work – someone shot dead in broad daylight in Midtown,” said Sid Dinsay, 38, who works in a PR firm on Fifth Avenue.

“I am shocked – something like this is enough to rattle your nerves. My nerves are rattled right now.”

The gunman followed his victim down 33rd Street before opening fire outside Legend’s Bar. the sources said.

With his target dead, he then headed over to the Empire State Building and did the unthinkable — unleashing a fusillade of shots in the heart of the morning rush on a street loaded with pedestrians.

An NYPD cop on foot patrol — part of the Critical Response Vehicle unit — killed the gunman with one shot.

The shot bystanders include a female who died from her wounds, the sources said. Others were shot in the buttocks and legs.

The victims were taken to St. Luke’s Hospital and Bellevue Hospital.

Dinsay said he heard noise on 33rd street and saw construction workers running on scaffolding on the Empire State Building, looking down onto the street. He thought a piece of equipment had fallen.

“I saw a guy lying there covered in blood,” he said. “He was in his late 30s. People around him were crying, a police scooter was whizzing by. It was chaos.”

The FBI is assisting in the investigation, which has caused a traffic nightmare in Midtown that has effectively shut down all of the streets around the scene.

Eeerily, just minutes before the mayhem, Mayor Bloomberg was warning about the dangers of “too many guns on the streets” on his weekly radio show.

“The argument guns don’t kill people, people kill people is one of the most disingenuous things you can say,” he said shortrly before 9 a.m. while discussing tougher guns laws being proposed in Albany.

“It does take a person to pull the trigger, but if they didn’t have the gun… We are the only developed country in the world with this problem.”

UPDATE 3: Another update from the NY Post, noting the shooter was fired yesterday and came back to kill boss:

The carnage started when the gunman followed his boss, who had fired him yesterday, down 33rd Street before opening fire outside Legend’s Bar, the sources said.

With his target dead, he then headed over to the Empire State Building and did the unthinkable — unleashing a fusillade of shots in the heart of the morning rush on a street loaded with pedestrians.

An NYPD cop on foot patrol — part of the Critical Response Vehicle unit — killed the gunman with one shot.

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  • Garym

    Have any lefty sites blamed it on the Tea Party yet?

    • Sandra123456

      Well the shooter is dead. Time to move on. Don’t need to know his name or see his picture. I was going to watch some cable news shows this morning, but now the MSM is just going to speculate for hours on this shooting. Bring in the usual experts and then probably blame the Tea Party.

      • MiketheMarine

        Isn’t it amazing how much trouble George W. Bush can cause while being retired and in Texas? It is obviously his fault.

        {sarcasm off}

        • NObama blames Bush for everything that he doesn’t approve of in the same way Napoleon the pig blamed Snowball for everything that ever goes wrong on the farm in Animal Farm by Orwell.

          The Libtard base make for very good sheep. Drowning out all criticism with their “four legs good, two legs bad” mantra.

        • Boris_Badenoff

          How could you be so blind, this has Sarah Palin and the Tea Party written all over it../sarc/

          • MiketheMarine

            Could it be a giant conspiracy between all those looney TEA Party peeps? Crazy….

            • Boris_Badenoff

              Yeah , It was probably my Grandma, she carries a 1911.. Old habits are hard to break ..

        • WordsFailMe

          MM Have you heard this “Blame it on Bush?” Great one

          http://www.thevotersmusic.com/#!Blame It On Bush/zoom/mainPage/image10if

  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    Thoughts and prayers to all of those involved.

  • This is awful. My thoughts go out to the victims and the one who died, and I hope they recover quickly.

    Now, let talk of gun control continue.

    • WordsFailMe

      ABC Have you heard this “Blame it on Bush?” Great one

      http://www.thevotersmusic.com/#!Blame It On Bush/zoom/mainPage/image10if

      Not havng much luck on FB

      • cream puffs and michael moore. I love it! Thanks Words! 😀
        What’s up with fb? What are you having a problem with?

        • WordsFailMe

          Should be played at RNC Convention.

          Time is a problem right now. I sleep, work, sleep, study, work, go on Scoop throw a rant or two, sleep, work…poor me…LOL Glad you liked it. You all give me so much and I’m usually the last to hear about anything new

          • 🙂 It’d be great if they did play it, but I think the Gop wouldn’t allow it for fear of stepping on liberal toes.

            Work, study and sleep… say no more. We do miss you, but you’ll be back when you can 🙂 Just don’t work too hard and run yourself down!

  • FutureOnePercent

    Can we go a single week without this happening?

    • steprock

      It’s nuts.

      Sikh Temple in WI
      Aurora CO movie theater
      Texas A&M
      Family Research Center in Washington DC
      Empire State Building in NYC

    • Apparently not. Aside from the Sikh temple shooting, these tragedies seem to stem from either economic malaise or ginned up hate towards conservatives. Even the Aurora shooting was in part due to the guy having trouble finding work.

      I’m not blaming Obama for this, but bottom line is this is the new reality under his Presidency. People unable to find work and a constant effort to pit one group of Americans against another. You’re gonna wind up with folks from time to time snapping.

      • RosiesSeeingRed

        Adam, you’re right, and that’s exactly how Alinsky describes it in Rules for Radicals, but for him, the ends justify the means, so if people are agitated and disgruntled, it’s all for a good cause. I’m reading such an enlightening book on this right now. The class warfare and the pitting of one group against another is all part of the plan. Obama carried a copy of Rules for Radicals with him at all times when he was a Community Organizer. This IS the new reality, and this is exactly what he wants.

        • WordsFailMe

          Rosie; Can you believe how far we come in three years in educating ourselves.

          We can thank Obama for motivating us to dig in and discover our enemies.

          Thanks President Dipstick.

          • RosiesSeeingRed

            WFM, I’m actually thankful to Newt Gingrich. He was the guy that made Alinsky a household term by citing him so much during the debates. As the author says, once you understand Alinsky, everything becomes crystal clear. I’m feeling much more empowered now that I understand their tactics, but I also feel angry that so many citizens are still so unaware of how they are being manipulated.

            • nibblesyble

              So true Rosie..Newt was never afraid to bring Obama’s radical ties and influences to the Nation was he?

            • WordsFailMe

              Newt got me started too. I was stunned by the Alinsky first 6 chapters regarding how to justify anything you do.If you believe Alinsky you can remain a child forever, flitting though the halls of academia and supping in the student cafeteria, you know, like President Peter Panhead.

              Alinsky was the bastard child of Satan and Obama’s grandmother. That book is poison and should be in every conservative’s library.

            • Boris_Badenoff

              I think Beck deserves a lot of credit as well. His dissecting of the Obama administration’s personnel prior to his leaving Fox was an eyeopener imo. The old blackboard was highly effective..
              I really hope Glen preserved those programs (I’m sure he did) as they will be invaluable for anyone wanting to learn how the Obama regime came to being and just who everyone really was and what they stood for.

              A future college course in modern history..

              Don’t be fooled again…

              Revisionist need not apply..

              • RosiesSeeingRed

                I’m sure you’re right Boris. I never really watched Beck, but I would not be surprised if he was telling everyone the same thing. The thing about Gingrich doing it during the debates is that it reached a much broader audience.

                • Boris_Badenoff

                  You really would get a lot out of the Beck shows. He really went into great detail who every body was where they came from and what their agenda is and who was connected with who..
                  It was an education over weeks of shows…

                  I really hope he makes them available on DVD some day, would be absolutely great for teaching the younger crowd a little bit of reality…
                  Very clear and easy to comprehend and being Glenn it is not totally boring.. I think even mid teens could grasp the message .

        • Betsey_Ross

          So if this is the New Reality then we CAN blame Obama for it. Let’s get this done. It is Obama’s fault. He is the head Alinsky guy. He must be stopped in November.

        • steprock

          Oh fine, DONT tell us what the book is. You just want to be smarter and better informed than everyone, don’t you?

          (j/k Rosie, but post the book title, OK?)

          • RosiesSeeingRed

            Sorry! I’ve posted the book title so many times in my comments that I thought Scoop might have a problem with ‘repeat’ posting if I said it again, but here it is:

            Rules for Radicals Defeated: A Practical Guide for Defeating Obama / Alinsky Tactics by Jeff Hedgpeth

            It’s in the Amazon borrowing library, if you have a Kindle.

            • p m

              Thanks, rosie, just bought it, $2.99 for the Kindle version.

              • RosiesSeeingRed

                Good! The first few chapters are dry, but when you start getting into the tactics and examples from Obama’s campaign and his administration and how they are following the book to a “T” — it gets very interesting. I’m just getting to the latter part of the book now, which gives conservatives the tools to fight back, without having to use despicable Alinsky tactics themselves.

                • Sounds like a good book RSR, I’m going to have a look and get it too! Thanks for the info.

            • poljunkie

              Hows that borrowing library work out?

              We have the Kindle app on our ipad, and so we cant borrow. Is it worth while to buy an actual Kindle? We use Amazon prime (free) videos which are great.

              we took the ipad on vacation and had stored about 20 books for the trip. Sooo convenient ( but a lot pricier than the books we read at home from the library)

              • RosiesSeeingRed

                You’re only allowed to borrow 1 book per month from the Kindle Owner’s Lending Library, and while you have one borrowed, you cannot borrow another, so if it takes you two months to get through a book, then you cannot borrow anything else until you’ve “returned” that book. I have a Kindle Fire, but I suppose the basic Kindle, which is much cheaper, might be worth it to you if you consider that if you read one free book per month x 12 months, the money saved could pay for a basic Kindle the first year, and then every year thereafter you can use it to read 12 free books a year.

                Not all new books are available in the lending library right away, and I have no idea how many people can borrow a title at the same time. For example, since I still have this particular book “out”, is it not available to anyone else in the lending library now? I have no idea.

                • poljunkie

                  Thanks for the info.

                  One book a month. eh. I dont think we will buy another device just yet. 🙂

                • RosiesSeeingRed

                  That was my thought too. Apparently the Kindle app for iPad allows you to borrow ebooks from your local library. I don’t know much about it, but it might be worth investigating:


                • poljunkie

                  Oh, good stuff. THANK YOU

    • Orangeone

      No because the MSM gives them coverage and makes them heroes

  • Have they blamed this on the Tea Party yet??

  • Time to recycle those flowers, balloons, teddy bears, & candles.

  • Landscaper

    This crap will happen a lot LESS when citizens with carry permits and their personal handguns SHOOT BACK.

    • As much as I like to think so, I highly doubt it. These ambush/barrage attacks happen so suddenly and rapidly, and in the most unexpected situations, it is highly doubtful anyone would have the reaction time necessary to end this situation. Remember, it only takes a couple seconds to empty a magazine, and if a shooter is in the crowd, by the time the magazine is empty it would only be maybe 3 seconds. I’m a GREAT shot, but I guarantee you I could not react THAT fast to a completely unexpected threat like that.

      • You’re forgetting one thing though. These kinds of shooters are cowards. The very idea that there may well be armed citizens around him willing to take him down if he pulls a shooting stunt will have the effect of preventing this coward from doing it in the first place. It won’t stop all of them, but I believe it will stop most.

        Think about it. You’re a criminal. There are two towns. In one, all guns are banned, and in the other all citizens are mandated to own guns and pass competency tests every 6 months. Which town are you going to enter and try to rob the bank?

        If I were a criminal, I know which town I’d be heading towards.

        • You’re absolutely correct. However, what we’re dealing with in THIS situation is an insane person who has ALREADY CHOSEN to shoot a bunch of people. He’s DEAD now, and there’s NO WAY he didn’t see that coming! Therefore, he is completely irrational and would have pulled the same stunt ANYWHERE in America (even in the fictional town where everyone had guns).

          The point here is that this shooting WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, and it didn’t matter where. And once the shooting starts, given that there was NO NOTICE, there simply would NOT be enough time for innocent bystanders (potential victims) to assess the situation, determine the threat, remove their firearm from the holster, aim the firearm, and then fire. All of those things would need to happen within roughly 3 seconds (at most), and it usually takes about 1.5 seconds JUST to assess the situation, and another 1.5 just to find the threat.

          • Landscaper

            BUT the gunman in Colorado STOPPED to reload Brian. If you have facts about the 3 second argument, it’s only an opinion. Which you are entitled to have by the way, everyone has one.

            • Okay, so what is the minimum amount of time it would take YOU to react in that situation??? 3 seconds is pretty much an instantaneous reaction in that situation, and no one could be expected to react any faster (although it IS possible that someone might, but it is an exception). THINK ABOUT IT MAN!!! I laid out every step in the threat-response-flowchart…how long do those steps take YOU? I know for a FACT how long they take me, and everyone I know that shoots…

              And how did the Colorado shooting come into this argument we have? I never mentioned it…

            • Oh, and also, in 1990 at a Shooting Competition, the then World’s Fastest Shooter Rob Leatham timed 2.55 seconds for shooting 5 targets, beginning with hands at shoulder level and firearm holstered (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.investigativesciencesjournal.org%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F5382%2F3750&ei=bb83UJvMA4SWiAKw4oH4BQ&usg=AFQjCNFWeAkuSV16YAXvgObrOvm7-MdBGg).

              Now, HOW MUCH TIME would it take YOU to react to the situation in question, especially given the incredible shock that occurs in the situation of a random, completely unexpected shooter event?

              • Landscaper

                Mother Jones, I’m a landscaper, not a Ranger, Special Forces, Super Cop or Secret Service. If you are the expert, please feel free to save us all… gezzz mr. “my opinion is my facts”. I’ll carry MY GUN, you do what the heck ever. At least I have a chance to NOT BE A VICTIM. Blow me.

                • Oh, you’re one of those people that when confronted with factual, research articles in a debate, they get upset, have a hissy-fit, and stomp away. I had a point to make and I made it. If you want to get mad, have at it dude…

                  Oh, and BTW…I’m an airman, own a Ruger P90 .45ACP, and train OFTEN…just in case you think I’m some kind of wuss talking out of my a$$…

      • Landscaper

        Brian, I disagree strongly. Citizens firing back happens all the time but it dosen’t make the front pages. EVER.

        • p m

          He was following the former boss – likely shot from behind?

        • No, the situations where citizens fire back are muggings/carjackings/robberies/home-invasions/assaults/rapes/etc. There is FAR MORE TIME to asses THESE situations than there is with a random shooting AS THE BULLETS ARE ALREADY FLYING. There just isn’t enough time. The ONLY thing having a large population of CCW holders would do in these situations is to possibly discourage the shooting from happening in the first place, although I strongly doubt even that would apply to THIS situation (the guy was clearly suicidal and insane).

      • Krig_the_Viking

        Er… wasn’t this situation stopped with one shot by a patrolling cop? Couldn’t it have been ended more quickly if one of the nearby innocent bystanders had been armed? There is obviously no way to prevent the initial killing or two, but if more people carried, these types of spree killings would be much shorter and result in much less loss of life.

        • The cop walked on to him after all of this began, and after several people were already shot…the damage was already done. How long would it take YOU to empty a magazine? Because that’s how long it takes HIM to empty one, and now you tell me if that’d be enough time for you (who was simply walking to work NOT expecting any weird stuff to happen) to react to bullets flying and shoot him dead. It helps a lot that the cop involved WASN’T GETTING SHOT AT, so he wasn’t clouded with a bit of surprise and panic like the rest of the potential victims were.

          • Krig_the_Viking

            More information coming in about this particular shooting — it’s looking like it wasn’t a spree shooting after all: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/24/empire-state-building-shooting-nypd-response?newsfeed=true

            But generally speaking, the more law-abiding citizens who have guns, the safer the streets will be. As we’ve seen in many other spree shootings, the police can’t be on the scene right away. But bystanders are there right when it begins. If said bystanders are armed and trained, the death toll can be minimized greatly. I dunno, that seems pretty self-evident to me.

            • Read the link I posted up above to Landscaper. It is a study showing average and fastest response times in different scenarios. Then, you tell me if that would be enough time for you to react. Either way, more CCW is a good thing…I just don’t believe in trying to justify it by claiming it would have helped in this situation…

      • You have a point, Brian, but I think the operative phrase was “a lot less.” The knowledge that a high percentage of your fellow citizens are carrying tends to temper even the thoughts of a madman.

        They could up armor and bring more firepower, I suppose, but it gets difficult to hide that stuff.

        Besides, even totalitarian governments have shootings like this. It’s certainly not the law that prevents them.

        • Of course the law won’t prevent them! In fact, I LOVE CCW permits! I live in Southern California, and I wish to GOD they would let me carry my Ruger in public!

          BUT, it drives me up the wall when I see people on the right using this argument that more CCW would STOP these situations, because it is easily countered by the left. CCWs might PREVENT these situations from occuring sometimes, but typically the only thing to END the rampage once it begins is the police or the shooter having a malfunction or running out of ammunition. Unfortunately, it’s just true…

          • Well, another factor discussed by the “tactical” folks is that one guy in the crowd with a gun will draw the shooters attention, whether he can put the assailant down or not. This factor alone might save lives.

            So I say better we all go armed.

            • I’ll agree it’s better if we all go armed! But we’re gonna have to disagree as to being able to stop an active shooter in that situation with a ccw.

              • I wasn’t exactly disagreeing with ya, there. I simply modified your point a bit.

                I’m not one of those nuts that thinks a moviegoer with a wbc glock would have prevented all the deaths in Colorado.

                All I was doing was pointing out that it’s definitely better to have others around us carrying. It won’t stop all the crazies, but it will stop more than the law will, and will slow almost all of them down.

      • Nukeman60

        You may be right, Brian, but all I know is if I was a patron of that moviehouse in Colorado who was crouching under the seats, protecting my children with my body, I would be much better off carrying when he came walking down the aisle, shooting at will, than I would have been without a CCW (and I realize that establishment was a gun-free zone, but I would then avoid gun-free zone movie houses, ’cause money talks to these people).

        It’s that point about our own defense that the anti-gun activists fail to realize.

        • Good point. But I guarantee you would have had much more time to mentally asses the situation and to prepare for a counter-attack than the people in this situation. I personally agree with you, that if there were a majority of people packing heat in the Colorado movie theater, things probably would have turned out differently (and for the better). I just don’t see how that could be said for THIS situation.

          • Nukeman60

            True. Your points are well taken. I just believe that the more opportunities we have, the better off we are. You and I are on the same side when it comes to guns, I know.

            If we could get these other people (eg, the shooter in NY), to start thinking that maybe the average Joe behind them has a gun, they may think twice about what they do and where they do it. It will never stop the crazies that perform on the spur of the moment, but for all the others, it may have an impact.

            O/T, how are you doing, my friend? I hope and pray your health is on the mend. We don’t get near enough of your posts around here lately and that saddens me. More from you is better, I say. You were one of three people on this site that got me talking to start with (not that that was a good thing, lol) and I always appreciate your input on all topics. Hope to hear more from you.

            • Well…I hate to say it, but things haven’t been so good. I’ve got another surgery on Thursday (that’ll make 5 or 6 since Spring Break), and then PROBABLY one more after that. They just did my left leg about 5 weeks ago, but it’ll most likely need to be done again (just like my right leg did).

              Thanks for asking though! It seems like when I DO find time to respond to people, I always end up hearing that either A) I’m an Obama lover or B) they have a temper tantrum and storm off in a cloud of obscenities (kindof like Landscaper did in a post up above). So, I have tried to keep my distance…I’ll be more active someday, but that day is probably a bit far away at the moment.

              • Nukeman60

                It’s true that emotions are running a bit high these days. Perhaps that will lessen after the 6th of November.

                At any rate, my prayers are with you, my friend, and with faith in the Lord, all will be well in the end.

    • KenInMontana

      It’s NYC, Sullivan Act. The only city that it might (I say, might) be harder for a law abiding citizen to get a handgun and carry permit would be Chicago, but my money is on NYC to be if not harder, much more expensive.

      • Jay

        “Citizens” don’t get permits in Chicago. Or anywhere in IL. You have to be LE or an alderman in da city.

  • Sandra123456

    I thought all the NYC gun control laws would prevent this from happening. Must be they haven’t passed just the right gun control law yet.

    NYC where bottle feeding babies is a no-no.

    • Boris_Badenoff

      Exactly, they need one for Suit wearing, briefcase carrying perpetrators..

      Get the Mayor on this asap..

  • GreenBeretWay

    Brian Ross should be on ABC anytime now telling us it is one of those extreme right wing TEA party members.

    • Arrrggghhh

      I just did his research for him and Googled “Johnson Tea Party.” It looks like there are quite a few Johnson’s in the Tea Party! This could be significant.

      • Cue the “Big Johnson” jokes!

  • WordsFailMe

    Looks like NYC’s policy against guns didn’t stop this guy from getting one.

    But, on the other hand, NYC’s enlightened policy certainly guaranteed that no one nearby would have been able to return fire, defend them selves and rid the planet of another minimum achiever.

    Good job NY! You make losers into winners and winners get shot in the buttocks. Put you butt out on the street Bloomey.

    Anybody Google “New York City A**hole” to see if he was a Tea Party member?

    • sDee

      NYC’s stict gun laws di squat to prvent this and much to do to embloden it.

      When Australia Banned Guns (caution – the opening shots are offensive)

      • WordsFailMe

        Excellent videos! Thank you

      • librtifirst

        Americans need to prepare for gun confiscation, because it is coming. The globalists in our government won’t stop until they have them. They will use federal and local law enforcement to get them, and they will mop up the rest with the military.

        Just ask Brandon Raub what they are willing to do, and it has just begun.

  • RosiesSeeingRed

    “It does take a person to pull the trigger, but if they didn’t have the gun… We are the only developed country in the world with this problem.”

    Really Mayor? If I recall, Norway has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, but that didn’t stop some crazy guy from getting a gun and killing 80+ defenseless teens last year, nor do the strict gun control laws in Chicago (the strictest in our country) change the fact that Chicago has the highest murder rate by GUN in the country.

    And I’m sure blame will be rampant today, so let me get my blame in: I blame Obama and his failed policies, which has resulted in 42+ straight months of high unemployment, for these senseless deaths today.

    • KenInMontana

      From what I have heard to get a firearm in Norway, requires an individual to apply for a permit for the specific firearm that is to be purchased to the Police Department, waiting time for approval is about 6 months. In addition the list of approved weapons is not very expansive.

    • agas84363

      You are so right!!! According to our fearless leader….you must hate those rich people that don’t pay their fair share….

  • Rshill7

    Hey Bloomin’ berg. You first. Disarm your security detail. Uh huh. Aaaa shaddup.

    Sincere condolences for the victims of this two-legged rat 🙁

  • 911Infidel

    How’s those stupid gun laws of yours working out for you Mayor Dumba$$? Looks to me like they are working out about as well as they do in Chicago.

  • “The argument guns don’t kill people, people kill people is one of the most disingenuous things you can say,” he said shortly before 9 a.m. – Blooming Idiot.

    Bloomberg might consider it “disingenuous,” but it is however an absolute 100% fact!

    Que the latest gun grabbing exercise by Bloombaby.

    • Sandra123456

      Does Bloomberg ever listen to himself?

      How many knives jumped off dining room tables and stabbed people today?

      You know we haven’t heard much about SUV killings lately where SUV’s up and take off by themselves and create mayhem.

      Guess this gun was the only one to start shooting people today in NYC, meanwhile, in Chicago….

      • SUV’s are laying low, waiting for a signal from the bass boats. Avoid situations with high concentrations of boat ramps and free parking.

  • Rshill7

    The shooter was a ladies handbag designer.

  • poljunkie

    How horrible for the innocent victims who were just carrying on with their day. I pray for emotional peace for their families.

    The deranged gunman set out to retaliate for being fired, and demonstrated extreme hate in his heart

    That kind of coldness towards others I will never comprehend.

  • Sober_Thinking

    This is another tragedy.

    I was watching Steve Vai in concert last night and continually caught myself scanning the audience suspiciously and imagining what I would do if a gunman appeared and started shooting up the place. You’d think I would focus on and enjoy one of the best guitarists in the world… but no. I’ve apparently been terrorized. This just reinforces that.

    This will be used to pound in that America needs more gun control. I can almost hear Holder’s pen scribbling furiously now. If someone had a legal conceal and carry and was packing heat, this could easily have been avoided.

    And yes… this will likely be pinned on the Tea Party.

    This is just another lovely distraction for the vacuous Democratic platform.

    Pray for the victims and their families.

    • poljunkie

      My husband does the same thing, ST.

      • Sober_Thinking

        My condolences. It’s unnerving…

    • You are not terrorized. It’s called situational awareness. Never stop looking ahead to spot trouble brewing. The precious seconds you gain could save your life or the life of your loved ones.

      And concerts aren’t immune at all. Remember Dime Bag.

      • Sober_Thinking

        I think I disagree with you. I’m a 2nd degree blackbelt who has taught self-defense to women and led many classes on situational awareness. I’m from the old school of do your best to avoid conflict if at all possible – and to do so, you must be aware what’s going on around you. You have a valid point… but this is a little more violent and different than it has been… I literally imagined what it would be like if the performer(s) were suddenly shot while performing. It’s more nightmarish than it ever was. Before it was as you intimated – I’d develop scenarios and how I would react, where the exits are, who looks suspicious, etc. I could go on. You are right but it’s honestly darker now and a little more serious and frightening then it was before.

        And the passing of Dime Bag was premature and a complete tragedy. He is missed greatly.

        • Hmmm. That doesn’t really seem like a disagreement. Dark times, indeed. But it calls for more men of character. Seems like you’re one of ’em.

          • Sober_Thinking

            Thanks K-Bob… I appreciate that.

            I guess “disagree” isn’t correct. But the awareness has a “survival” tinge to it now.


  • Nukeman60

    An NYPD cop on foot patrol — part of the Critical Response Vehicle unit — killed the gunman with one shot.‘ – NY Post

    This is what training accomplishes. Bloomberg was on the radio this very morning talking about banning all guns (only from law-abiding citizens, of course) when what these citizens really need is the ability to conceal-carry with the training and know-how to quickly stop a crazed and dangerous person from accomplishing his goal.

    When will the anti-gun activists ever understand.

    • Rshill7

      Maybe when a law-abiding, gun-toting, citizen saves their activist life from one of these hell-bent shooters.

      • nibblesyble

        Yep..you nailed it Rs!

      • sDee

        In a city like NY or a state like CA, that gun toting citizen would likely go to jail, or go bankrupt defending themself in court, for their life saving act, even if fully permitted and justified.

        The statists know that if they cannot stop us from owning and carrying arms, they will damn sure let us know what will happen to us if we use them.

        This is what stand-your-ground laws are for and why the left and their lawyer henchmen intend to overturn them.

  • KenInMontana

    Here is what is required to get a handgun carry permit in New York City;
    Non-refundable application fee: $340, (due at time of submitting forms)
    Fingerprinting fee: $91.50
    NYC is not a “Shall Issue” municipality (even though New York State is “Shall Issue” they allow cities to not be).

    By way of comparison, State of Montana (the entire State, not city by city)
    No license requirement to purchase or possess handguns, no permit required for Open Carry.
    CWP Fee: $50 for a 4 year permit, $25 renewal
    Fingerprinting fee: $5 to $11 (depending on Department and locale)
    Montana is “Shall Issue”, statewide.

  • Orangeone

    Bloomie is such an idiot. If someone wants to kill, they will find a way whether it is an illegal gun, a bomb or a plane into a building with thousands of people inside. Wake up Bloomie! Less would be hurt and dead if handgun conceal and carry were permitted in NYC.

  • tvlgds

    Bloomberg is a fricking idiot. PEOPLE DO KILL PEOPLE! Guns don’t just amble up and start going off. Wonder how this happens in a city that bans guns. Guns kill people like spoons made Rosie O’Donnell fat!

  • agas84363

    To all you gun hating libs…..It was not the gun…It was the NUT with the gun….this is a tragedy and for bloomberg to blame guns is foolish…..would it be alright with you to thank the GUN for stopping this nut?….Pull your head out of the sand and thank the officer who risked his life to save other people…..What could have happened in your “no gun utopia” if the officer did not have a gun…….make any sense to you at all….. IF GUNS ARE OUTLAWED ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS…If the NUT ran over people with a car should we take cars away from everyone???how bout baseball bats,re-bar,rocks,bottles,knives,etc. and what if the NUT killed with his bare hands SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT CUT OFF EVERYBODY’s HANDS???…Hey just think ….if you cut off everyone’s hands it would be real hard to have a super sized soda!!!!

  • bobemakk

    This is so sad, I pray for all involved. What the hell is going on in this country? Maybe we should blame Obama, he blames Bush for everything he “inherited.”