By Dan Cleary


Yesterday, California Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill into law mandating that “gay history” be included in the public school curriculum from grades K-12. Yes, you read that right: Grades K-12. This is surely a harbinger of things to come in other states, as California is such a large market for school textbooks that it tends to set the tone for the rest of the country.

What would a lesson plan look like for, say, the kindergarden level? Forget it, I don’t even want to know. I’m cringing just thinking about it.

Homeschooling never sounded so appealing.

Video via Townhall; hat tip: Chad the Elder.

One has to assume that gay icons like Harry Hay would be prominently featured in any new curriculum on gay history. Wouldn’t you think? And isn’t that just lovely. Watch this “Hannity” segment from October 2009, then imagine your child sitting in the classroom being conditioned to view Hay’s “alternate lifestyle” as perfectly normal and even liberating.

I guess any one who has a problem with it is just an intolerant homophobe, or something.

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  • Anonymous

    Stick a fork in California, push your chair back from the table, and escape from this liberal laboratory of failure.

    • Anonymous

      I moved from Oregon to Sacramento in 1992, then came back to Oregon in 98′ to put our kids in public school. My wife home schooled for three years. We had Pete Wilson for a few years, who actually signed an executive order to instantly enforce a voted in law abolishing affirmative action in all public schools, colleges, and state agencies. It was great for a while.

  • Anonymous

    Still hoping for that South California secession to occur.

    • poljunkie

      I was surprised to hear that so many of those counties were conservative or at least moderate.

      • Anonymous

        Yep, I think that only two are liberal, Riverside and not sure what the other one was.

    • Anonymous

      Let’s go further…all conservative counties in America secede from the commie ones and form our own USA.

      And watch the commies america descend into chaos and self-destruct like California.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4RP26TBPMLFIRL4P6W6C3IFVSI stang289

      Still hoping it falls into the pacific , but all the conservatives escape unharmed .

  • Anonymous

    What happened to reading, writing, and arithmetic?

    • Anonymous

      That was taken care of a long time ago…all the kids feel good about how they do in reading writing and arithmetic.

    • Anonymous

      The conservative media is making this sound like gay history is its own class. This is a false understanding, all they will do is talk about the history of gay people in history class. History includes gay history, just like it includes history of slaves, history of aztecs, its all history. Why is it a big deal to teach history in a history class??? To exclude history that includes gay people such as riots in San Francisco in the 60s is to exclude history. Why are people so upset about this?

      • Anonymous

        Your kidding right? This is about pushing an agenda and has nothing to do with history.

        • Anonymous

          Are you therefore saying that there is no history of gay people? Are there not events in history that include a gay person?

          And what agenda is being pushed by teaching gay history?.. Acceptance? If thats the agenda than i am 100% behind it.

          • Anonymous

            Many very important people throughout history were nose pickers who ate it.

            Seriously. I mean it. I can’t PROVE this, mind you, but I’ve read that John Kerry not only picks his nose and eats it, he likes it when Teresa gives him hers.

            Should we pass laws that every disgusting personal habit be part of the “history” of every historic person?

            • Anonymous

              Are we teaching disgusting habits when we teach gay history? Why are people making the connection between gay history and sexual education class. We are not teaching anything about bad habits we are simply teaching people about peoples and events of history that include gay persons. For example, Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the great, Socrates, Frederick the great, Augustus Caesar, Aristotle; ALL GAY. So, this bill allows teachers to acknowledge the fact that these people were gay. So what

              • Anonymous

                I guess than we should go out of our way to make sure every historical figure from Adam and Eve are explained in gender terms. Who cares that George Washington was heterosexual. No, my friend this is agenda driven plain and simple.

                • Anonymous

                  I guess the agenda in teaching such things is to prove that we all are capable of the same things no matter what someones sexual preference may be. Unlike so many generations before us, where gays in school felt like the had no right place, that maybe they were thinking wrong thoughts, this will allow those kids to have strong personalities, because we will show them through a gay history lesson, that they do matter. Gay people are just as important as heterosexual people, is that something you don’t believe in?

                • Anonymous

                  Why not teach them that they’re special and important because they are made in the image of God.

                • Anonymous

                  Because in America not every person is believes in the Catholic Churches teachings (since we have freedom of religion), even though most of the teachings are to do good deeds, be honest, be polite, and so forth. Children are taught such things as you just said though in Sunday School, or if it is affordable, private schools.

                • Anonymous

                  It still doesn’t change the fact that they are special because they are the express image of God who loves them, and gave his Son for them – John 3:16. Sorry to bring “religion” into it ECON, but that’s who am I.

                • Anonymous

                  who am i or who i am. Awww im just playing i gotcha

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Your comprehension ability is suspect so I try and keep it simple.

                  You are an idiot. STOP proving it with every statement you.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Not true.

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Not true.

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

              • Persephone

                What a ridiculus thing to say!

                When the 1st Grader asks their teacher…”What does ‘gay person’ mean?”…how do you propose to answer that question without including some sexual education?

                So robbing children of their innocence is not a concern of those who seek to force their indoctrination of ‘gay acceptance’ upon young children, huh?
                What monumental selfishness and miopic self-absorption!

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  1st grader: *raises hand* Teacher, what does “gay person” mean?
                  Teacher: Well Timmy, you know how your mother and father love each other very much?
                  1st grader: Yeah, they love each other a lot!
                  Teacher: It’s just like that, but instead of a mommy and daddy, it’s two mommies or two daddies.

                  Sorry, where did sex enter into that conversation?

                • Persephone

                  That would lead to the Next Question:

                  1st grader: “How do two daddies make a baby?”

                  You really don’t care about children at all, do you.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  Teacher: Two daddies, unfortunately, can’t make a baby. But they can take in children with no parents.

                  By the logic of “the only valid relationship is a child-producing one,” my heterosexual friend’s ex boyfriend was TOTALLY justified in breaking up with her because of her defective womb. Because that’s our only value as women.

                • Anonymous

                  Good point. Love has nothing to do with the ability to make a child. So, why do people feel it is deviant behavior for two people who love each other to be together based solely on the fact that they cannot give birth to a child?

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Stop trying to make ME except your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  Stop using the same tired “homos can’t procreate” excuse.

                  …I mean, when you come up with another reason, we’ll still fight it, but I think we’re beating the dead horse on this one.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  ahahaahaha ????????? Sorry I forgot your only 24.

                  think before you post.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  ahahaahaha ????????? Sorry I forgot your only 24.

                  think before you post.

                • Anonymous

                  except or “accept”

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  You CAN read,…

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • Anonymous

                  Homosexuality has nothing to do with what goes on in someone bedroom, homosexuality is a sexuality not an action. You are saying that homosexuality is only for the bedroom, so how can this be? Are you saying that homosexuals are heterosexuals(or whatever your okay with) outside the bedroom and then they become homosexual once their in their bedroom? Im sorry but the “keep it in the bedroom argument” has too many fallacies to have the necessity of a response.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  “Homosexuality has nothing to do with what goes on in someone bedroom, ”

                  WHO do you think you are trying to fool with that statement???

                  Your comprehension ability is suspect so I try and keep it simple.

                  You are an idiot. STOP proving it with every statement you.

                • Anonymous

                  “Homosexuality has nothing to do with JUST what goes on in someoneS bedroom”

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Wasn’t one of the arguments from the gay community to “stay out of our bedrooms”? The main point being, the government has no right to tell concenting people what they can or can’t do in the privacy of their own bedroom? As for keeping it in or out of the bedroom, how about keeping the disgusting displays which happen at gay pride parades out of our faces? I think that gay people want to be accepted as normal, so why do so many act abasolutely disgusting and perverted at these events?

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  Pride parades, for many people, are the only place they feel they can be themselves and in public at the same time. All that display is just excitement, not a representation of how gay people are day to day. Sure, it gets out of hand sometimes, but you don’t have to go to the parade.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Wasn’t one of the arguments from the gay community to “stay out of our bedrooms”? The main point being, the government has no right to tell concenting people what they can or can’t do in the privacy of their own bedroom? As for keeping it in or out of the bedroom, how about keeping the disgusting displays which happen at gay pride parades out of our faces? I think that gay people want to be accepted as normal, so why do so many act abasolutely disgusting and perverted at these events?

                • Anonymous

                  except or “accept”

                • Anonymous

                  I would say,

                  “They don’t make babies they adopt children if they want to have children but not everybody has children.”

                  I mean, if a first grader asked you how babies are born what do you say? Are these questions supposed to be easy to answer?

                • Persephone

                  This is why superimposing a sexual perspective onto History is a bad idea.

                • Anonymous

                  Sexual perspective? We are not teaching perspectives we are teaching history.

                • Persephone

                  What a ridiculous statement.

                  This whole topic is about a new Law that has been passed to teach Gay history.
                  Not just ‘history’…but gay history.

                  The term ‘gay’ does not refer to simple ‘brotherly love’, but taking that love to a sexual level and engaging in same-sex sex.
                  You cannot separate the topic of sex from an explanation of what being gay is.

                  It is preposterous for you to even attempt to.

                • Anonymous

                  Gay history is a part of history. Why is there even a question about why all history shouldn’t be taught in a history class. We teach all cultural histories so people can understand how things have come to be the way they are in modern society. To leave out any detail of important past events, people, etc. that have changed the world and made modern society the way it is today is an outrage.

                • Persephone

                  If someone has made a noteworthy contribution to society or a historical event, why is it important what their sexual preference was?
                  Who cares?
                  Young children don’t care.
                  Some things are age-appropriate…and some things are not.

                  What kind of parent are you that you do not understand this?

                  It is easy to see why telling little kids that a historical figure was Gay would be important to those who want to indoctrinate those little kids into the concept that ‘being gay is normal’.
                  And your tortured logic to defend this indoctrination is only proving this point.

                • Anonymous

                  Your right. I do want kids to be taught that being gay is normal. This is not going to turn your child gay, just allow them to treat someone who is gay like a fellow human being and not someone who deserves less respect than others.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Jesus Christ I believe had a huge part of history, yet many people would scream if He was taught about in a state mandated class.

                • Anonymous

                  Church is separate from State. This is not a Christian Nation this is a nation of freedom of religion.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  What YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME except your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

                • Anonymous

                  The problem with that is that my tax money is going to a public school system that is teaching children that homosexuality is normal and good. This would be a violation of my 1st amendment right to freedom of religion, since my child would be taught something that is an untruth according to my religion.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  Separation of church and state.

                  If you don’t want your child to believe that homosexuality is normal and good, take a more active role in their education.

                • Anonymous

                  Get thee behind me Belial!

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I do- but I still have taxes that go towards government education. How is that OK?

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  Because it’s just history. Stonewall riot, for example. It’s not hard to explain. (This happened here, because these people felt that people should be able to love whoever they want without being discriminated against, end of story). If a kid asks a question that’s not for the classroom, they can be told to ask a parent.

                • Anonymous

                  Our government spends money all the time on things that most people do not agree with, its not supposed to be fair.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  It’s not supposed to be fair? If government spent tax money on teaching the Historical aspects of Christianity in school- again, would you be OK with that? You claim the separation thing, but much of America’s history- like and agree with it or not, is based on the Judeo/Christian Bible, and early text books were heavily influenced by the Bible.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • Anonymous

                  Sexual education is education about sex. If a child was to ask me what a “gay person” is, do you propose that i say someone who like to sodomize another person of the same sex? Of course not, same as if a child asked me what a “heterosexual person” is, i would not go through an explain sexual intercourse to that child.

                  If a child asked me, “teacher, what is a gay person?”

                  I would say, a gay person is someone who is attracted to a person of the same gender.

                  Im sure the kid would then say, “well then im gay because i like boys”.

                  Then i would reply that its a different kind of attraction, one that feels stronger and will only start being felt during later in life(puberty).

                • Anonymous

                  You must also understand that this is a very difficult question, and that there is no easy way to teach a child without going into detail. But it is better to teach children this rather than let them figure it all out on their own.

                • Persephone

                  Better?

                  Better for who?
                  Certainly not ‘better’ for the child who is being forced to learn about sexuality too soon because of the Gay Agenda of indoctrinating our children.

                • Anonymous

                  Thank you, Persephone, for using that word “indoctrinating”, because that is exactly what this is all about!

                • Anonymous

                  Kids in public schools have been taught sexuality before gay history was involved so im not sure how forcing our kids to learn about sexuality is caused by “the Gay Agenda”.

                  But yes, i do believe that teaching kids acceptance of homosexuality is better for them, because as we can see hatred is easier to teach than acceptance. Do you remember using the “fag” word on the playground? It was easy to use because we as children were so uninformed on how gay people are just as important an equal as everyone else, but do you think gays didn’t fall victim to depression, suicide, etc. after witnessing, maybe even being involved with using such words? Do you really think that children are good at teaching themselves to be understanding of other peoples differences. Of course not, that is why teachers are taking on the problem by stopping the misunderstanding of what it means to be gay.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME except your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME except your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

                • Anonymous

                  Kids in public schools have been taught sexuality before gay history was involved so im not sure how forcing our kids to learn about sexuality is caused by “the Gay Agenda”.

                  But yes, i do believe that teaching kids acceptance of homosexuality is better for them, because as we can see hatred is easier to teach than acceptance. Do you remember using the “fag” word on the playground? It was easy to use because we as children were so uninformed on how gay people are just as important an equal as everyone else, but do you think gays didn’t fall victim to depression, suicide, etc. after witnessing, maybe even being involved with using such words? Do you really think that children are good at teaching themselves to be understanding of other peoples differences. Of course not, that is why teachers are taking on the problem by stopping the misunderstanding of what it means to be gay.

                • http://twitter.com/cfallon57 Cheryl Fallon

                  I have had 5 children…4 are now adults and the fifth is 10 years old/5th grade and none of my children EVER asked about such things in first grade…sounds like a plan to indoctrinate the little ones early on. My kids started out in public schools but they were all pulled out after a few short years. This was over 20 years ago and things were bad I can only imagine what they are like now.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  answering your own post???

                  Might want to up your meds.

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                YOUR list of supposed gay historical figures is WRONG.

                Sorry.

                You MIGHT want to get a better list .

                • Anonymous

                  Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the great, Socrates, Frederick the great, Augustus Caesar, Aristotle WERE GAY individuals. Before you say my list of historical figures were not gay, the least you could do is a little research. If you do, you will see, as well as anyone else who does not believe me, that you are not even looking into it.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Just because YOU post it on the web or “read about it” does NOT make it true.

                  Sorry. YOU do YOUR own research.

                  I’m pretty sure I have been walking AND chewing bubble gum WAY longer than you have.

                  Kids these days’ THEY KNOW EVERYTHING.

                • Anonymous

                  Facts mean nothing to bigots.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  AHahahhaahhahahhh Silly libratard.

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • Anonymous

                  I hope you do realize that copying and pasting the same thing over and over again in response to everything i have said is just plain immature. Especially when i am 20 years old and you are obviously far older than myself. Yet, i will not respond immaturely and i will continue to respond with maturity and respect even though you do not deserve it.

                • Anonymous

                  I hope you do realize that copying and pasting the same thing over and over again in response to everything i have said is just plain immature. Especially when i am 20 years old and you are obviously far older than myself. Yet, i will not respond immaturely and i will continue to respond with maturity and respect even though you do not deserve it.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Your comprehension ability is suspect so I try and keep it simple.

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • Anonymous

                  ECON, Voted brings up a good point though that everything you read on the internet is not true. For instance you bring up Alexander the Great who appeared to have a deep personal love for Hephaestion. But that doesn’t mean it was an “sexual” love. there is no proof that Alexander was gay and in fact he sired children from multiple women. Perhaps his love for Hephaestion was like the Biblical love between David and Jonathan where David loved Jonathan like his own soul and would have died for him(1 Samuel 20:17). This is the same love that Jesus had for all of humanity (John 15:13). Sorry for bringing up “religion” again but that’s who I am.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  Made up stuff presented to be “FACTS” is not really a winning argument.

                  LOL!! must have gone to the school of Al Gore debating.

                  Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                  Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                  NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                  SORRY idiot.

                  And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                  YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                  NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

          • Anonymous

            Rapists and pedophiles have a history too, should we include them also? The agenda is to legitimatize a lifestyle that many of us don’t agree with.

            • Anonymous

              Homosexuals do not harm people. Therefore, rapists and pedophiles, in which there is no consensual sex nor persons of consensual age, has no similarities in discussing homosexuality.

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                RIGHT. pigs fly too.

                Stop trying to make ME except your sexually deviant behavior.

                NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                Maybe not all homosexuals- I know quite a few who are great folks. But I also know from past experiences that some do harm, as in molesting children as a way to recruit. There is also NAMBLA. Do you think these perverts are not harmful?

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

              Pedophilia and rape involve a lack of consent. They hurt others. Anyone who agrees with them as a lifestyle choice is truly depraved. Homosexuality, however, is not a lifestyle choice. Even if it was, it is not based in non-consentual sex acts.

              Many people are heterosexual. Many people are pedophiles and rapists. Are all heterosexual people pedophiles and rapists? Apply the same thing to homosexuals.

              • Anonymous

                I wasn’t going to bring this up Belial, but this would be a good place to rebut this….

                In the mid 1990’s I had an event that happen to me that caused me harm, not physically but psychological and emotionally. I was at a convenience store at around 10pm to get a cup of coffee before going to work. As I left the store and approached my car a man came over and asked me if I wanted a blow job. He did it in a kind way and did not force himself on me. I politely told him no and quickly got in my car and locked the door and drove off. This was not the first time this has happened to me. I think it’s because I have a high pitched voice and do not walk like a macho man. This event at the store caused me psychological and emtional trauma which I’m finally dealing with after all these years. I have my God and my wife to thank for that who have both loved me with an unconditional sacrificial love that I can’t explain. So yes homosexuality does harm. It especially harms the Creator of the Universe who desiged man and women to be a perfect union physically and mentally – Homosexuality is a diversion from God’s plan, but that doesn’t mean that God doesn’t love them it just means that homosexuals have hope. We all have hope; and hope’s name is Jesus (1 Timothy 1:1)! But being Belial you would know all about Jesus wouldn’t you ;)

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                  I’m glad you caught the reference to my name ;) It was a very long time ago that I named my account…the amusement was lost to me until a couple days ago.

                  I want to tell you that I’m extremely sorry that that happened to you. I can relate a similar experience. A man, while on a date, refused to take me home and then raped me in the cab of his pickup. In front of a Christian bookstore, I might add. I should also add that I’m a woman. It will have been seven years ago this year, and, similarly to you, I have been avoiding the subject for a long time and am finally dealing with it. Now, I do not blame every heterosexual for what happened to me, the way you are blaming every homosexual for what happened to you. Homosexuality didn’t hurt you. The men who hurt you did.

                • Anonymous

                  If we can all agree on one thing, let it be that all sexual harassment is a crime that takes strength and a strong personality to overcome. Thank you for sharing belial

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  The same thing happened to my ex husband Con. But he was only 9 when it happened to him, and he has had many emotional problems all of his adult life because of it. I’m sorry it happened to you- and glad you’ve got the Lord and your wife.

          • Anonymous

            Rapists and pedophiles have a history too, should we include them also? The agenda is to legitimatize a lifestyle that many of us don’t agree with.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

            Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the population.

            Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

            NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

            SORRY idiot.

            And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

            YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME except your sexually deviant behavior.

            NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

              Again, I’d love to see some statistics here.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

              Again, I’d love to see some statistics here.

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                You do your OWN research. Google,.. whiki,..(yea suspect)

            • Anonymous

              Its funny how obvious it is when someone has so little knowledge in what they are discussing. For instance, it is not a rational conversation to say, “stop trying to make me “accept” you sexual deviancy”, over and over again, has no point to be made a rebuttal. I am not trying to make anyone “accept” anything, i am simply trying to point out reasons why i believe it is okay to include gay persons and events in history in history class. Your comments made in reply to my comments should be rebuttals to my personal views on the subject. But when you resort to such methods as name calling and cursing, you only make yourself look less and less mature.

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                AHAHAHAhahahahahaha I love IT!! Typical leftwing alinsky tactic.
                Silly libratard.

                You keep doing that.

                Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

                Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

                NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

                SORRY idiot.

                And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

                YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

                NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

                • KenInMontana

                  Posting the same comment 9 times is excessive and considered spamming. You made your point the first time you posted it. I hope I have made mine.

          • Anonymous

            Next thing we know, you will discover that all the famous people in history were homosexuals, and all of the evil people were Christians. This is nothing but a bonus round for people like the Howard Zinn’s of the world, who trash history by rewriting it, and infusing it with fraudulent information.

            Then comes the phony “science” where you’ll discover that hey, we’re all gay, it’s just that some of us want children, or some other stupid, predetermined result.

            We’ve seen this movie before. It always ends badly.

            • Anonymous

              Yeah because thats a real logical way to look at it.

              • Anonymous

                Select your favorite phony history. Doesn’t matter to me.

              • Anonymous

                Select your favorite phony history. Doesn’t matter to me.

  • KenInMontana

    Is it really any wonder that California is “burning” and it will continue to do so until it is a smoking hole. Don’t they have a financial wreck to deal with? Of course with “Moonbeam” for a Governor, well it kind of speaks for itself.

    • Anonymous

      Californias spending problem is not related to social issues. Economic issues and social issues are not the same thing. Teaching gay history in a history class has no relevance when it comes to California’s spending problem.

      • Anonymous

        Ken didn’t say that gay history affects the economy (although indirectly it does); merely that Moonbeam is more interested in social agendas instead of the massive sinking shipwreck that is California.

      • KenInMontana

        California’s spending problems are directly related to catering to every special interest group that pops up. I did not mention any one topic or reason for it, you just assumed, never a good thing. As for someone’s sexual orientation, I could care less, as long as they are not practicing it on children. If you want my opinion on what you refer to as “gay history”, if you want a history class that specific teach it at the college level, as for relating a historical figure’s sexual orientation, I see it as irrelevant to the subject of History at the K-12 level, I had no history teacher ever broach the subject of any historical figure’s sexual orientation, straight, gay, lesbian or whatever, ever. Oh before I forget to mention it, Alexander and Augustus were actually Bi-sexual, however at that point in history attitudes toward sexuality were considerably different. It still does not have relevance in regards to their accomplishments. Teaching materials cost money, money that the taxpayers have to pay for, so yes it is relevant to their spending issues.

  • Anonymous

    LESSON PLANS??!…field trips, like shopping in West L.A…Reenactments of “historical” events…………………TWISTED.

  • Anonymous

    Well, then, I’m a homophobe. Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle choice, and to grant them a special niche in education, based solely on the fact that they have sodomy-based sex is absolutely pathetic. California needs to be nuked into the ocean. What remains should be handed over to the Russians.

    • Persephone

      Nuking?
      Naaa…no nuking.
      There are still some good people in California.
      And the radioactive fallout would drift across other states.
      But I agree with the rest of your comment, before the part about the nuking and handing it over to the Russians.

      • Anonymous

        yeah, don’t throw the baby out with the bath water :)

    • Anonymous

      VirusX, thank you for being honest. You are a homophobe and thats okay and you are honest about it. Most people are homophobes because for some reason when they think about gay people they think about gay sex rather than their behavior and personality. When i think of a heterosexual couple i don’t imagine them having sex i see them as two people who’s personalities compliment each other.

      “Homosexuality is a deviant lifestyle choice, and to grant them a special niche in education, based solely on the fact that they have sodomy-based sex is absolutely pathetic” – VirusX

      First of all, gay history as part of a history course is not taught “based solely on the fact that they have sodomy-based sex”. This is ridiculous because sodomy-based sex is not why people become gay, people are gay and therefore have sodomy-based sex.

      Secondly VirusX, since when you think about gay people you think about sodomy-based sex, what do you think about when you think of two gay women having sex. Are you all of the sudden not a homophobe. Because if you are disgusted by that maybe you are homosexual. But i doubt that you are disgusted by that, so really you must ask yourself, is accepting a gay couple about accepting how they have sex with each other, or is that besides the point.

      It is besides the point. Plus, its not like we teach our kids about two adults having sex in history class so why do you think we are going to teach them how to have gay sex?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

        you MIGHT want to see a doc just to be SURE you don’t have any STD’s.

        • Anonymous

          Because to argue for homosexual rights is to be a homosexual right ? Yes, im so afraid of thinking differently and standing up for what i believe in, because it would be soooooo hard to fit in with the rest of heterosexuals if i didn’t. Geez its too bad im not just another person thinking the same as yourself right?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

            Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

            Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

            NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

            SORRY idiot.

            And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

            YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

            NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

  • Anonymous

    Here a nice , very short reading list for Gov. Brown, and a few Public School superintendents. Some one ought todo a remake of, “The Fall of The Roman Empire” but call it “The Fall of California”. Jerry Brown can play Commodus.

    • Anonymous

      I guess then either Senator Boxer or Senator Feinstein would play Lucilla.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    I’ve been homeschooling my child since he was born. I’ve heard many excuses for not doing it- but if this doesn’t make people take their kids from government “schools”, I don’t know what will. I pray Lord there are still enough God fearing folk in this Country, that Your Name and Grace will prevail!

    • poljunkie

      If my son were still in school, I think we would contemplate the homeschool choice.
      He’s a teacher now. Thankfully he still has the same values!

    • Anonymous

      Homeschooling is an excellent choice as long as children are given time to socialize with other kids their age

    • Anonymous

      Homeschooling is an excellent choice as long as children are given time to socialize with other kids their age

      • Anonymous

        You don’t know shit about it you stupid parrot!

        • Anonymous

          I don’t know you, you don’t know me. I am simply giving credit where credit is due. Im not a bias person in regards to anything i discuss. Therefore, if you have anything intelligent to say, say it, and i will think about it and reply. If you have nothing intelligent to say, you might as well keep your mouth shut.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

            Sorry,.. BUTT you ARE a bias person.

            And I guess YOU TOLD Rshill77. here have a glass of obama kool-aid.

            it ALWAYS seems to calm you silly libratards down.

            have a cookie with it too.

            • Anonymous

              So because i have an idea, that may go against what most conservatives think, im therefore an obama lover? Did you ever think for once that there isn’t just two options? Dem or Rep? I must be one or the other right? because this of course isn’t a democracy. Oh wait, this is a democracy, so how did you come to the conclusion that im an obama supporter?

              • Anonymous

                Libertarian?

                • Anonymous

                  You know me to well. But even if you did’t, my name should give it away:)

        • Anonymous

          You meanie! This is JUST the type of kid I’d want my daughter to “socialize with”.

          My guess? He or she is about 13.

          • Anonymous

            So let me get this straight. You guess i am 13, possibly a girl, and you think its okay to curse and call me names, and how old are you? Sounds like you are the exact kind of person that we should be teaching our kids the opposite of the things you think we should.

            • Anonymous

              Brawk! Econ want a cracker. What else him want? He focused in on the 13 yr. old boys…that’s my boyish surmise. I noticed that right off. I sat there, and I stared at the post. Good gosh it must have been nye on to a second and a full half. Then Eureka(!), the giant sucking sound came at me like a whirlwind of slurpee activity into Aerosmith’s sound system. I still have one eye socket left by the way! I said to myself, HUH? Dude dressed like a lady?

              • Anonymous

                “Brawk! Econ want a craker. What else him want?”

                I want you to use proper english and proper arguing points. That way, since you disagree with me, i can know what principles you disagree with me on. Then, we can have a civilized conversation about the topic at hand. Until then, you are just wasting time and space, so please, if you are to respond once again, lets hear something intellegent

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

              Gosh, what a meanieface booboo head you are!!!!

              *laughs*

              Thank you for all your comments. It’s quite brave of you to comment like this on this site.

  • Anonymous

    Jesus is quoted here: “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea…offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes! ” (Matthew 18:6-7)

    I’ll bet they won’t teach the history of Sodom and Gomorrah.

  • http://twitter.com/PopinjayRose Jim Rose

    My problem is their priorities. State is going off a cliff and they make this a top priority. NO FEDERAL BAILOUT FOR CA!

    • Anonymous

      Top priority? Again people need to understand that having a spending problem is not related to social issues.

      • Anonymous

        Oh, you are too funny. Are you old enough to vote yet?

        • Anonymous

          Are you stating that because you view me as being younger than you, therefore my ideas are worth less? Lets see, if you are the more mature person here, why not make any points? What is your point about asking me if im old enough to vote yet?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

            YOUR deas are worth less.

            Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

            Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

            NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

            SORRY idiot.

            And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

            YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

            NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

      • Anonymous

        ECON, social issues are a red herring! It is a spending problem if the CA government is wasting their time on nonsensical social bull instead of saving their state from total ruin!

        • Anonymous

          Well put sir. Point taken.

        • Anonymous

          C_H, I very much appreciate the civility you bring to the discussions.

          • Anonymous

            Though me and Con Hippie do disagree on most social issues he does bring up good points and rebuttals. When two people who think differently are able to discuss an issue, that is where we gain better understanding of both sides. To disagree yet be respectful is a hard characteristic to find in anyone.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

              Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

              Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

              NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

              SORRY idiot.

              And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

              YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

              NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

          • Anonymous

            I guess it’s the hippie in me – lol.

            • Anonymous

              Probably:)

      • Anonymous

        ECON, social issues are a red herring! It is a spending problem if the CA government is wasting their time on nonsensical social bull instead of saving their state from total ruin!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

    So are we ALSO going to be told about ALL the REALLY bad and evil criminal homosexual deviants too??

    And guess what,..

    there ARE WAY more bad and evil criminal homosexual deviants through out history than supposed “good homosexual deviants”.

    LOL!

    Not sarcasm.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

    So are we ALSO going to be told about ALL the REALLY bad and evil criminal homosexual deviants too??

    And guess what,..

    there ARE WAY more bad and evil criminal homosexual deviants through out history than supposed “good homosexual deviants”.

    LOL!

    Not sarcasm.

    • Anonymous

      So i guess Napoleon Bonaparte, Alexander the great, Socrates, Frederick the great, Augustus Caesar, Aristotle were all evil criminals. Your point has no point.

      • Anonymous

        Sir, you need to brush up on your gay history – lol!

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002543536293 Mike Florey

          Con_hippie,
          With respect, that’s ‘Sir or Madam as the case may be’. Somebody made an arbitrary decision early in life.

          • Anonymous

            Hey Mike, if i was gay, i would be very hurt by your words. You see, this is why i say people do not react well to something in which they do not understand. Hatred is easier to teach than acceptance. Gays should not have to deal with such discrimination.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

        Good list,.. keep going,… That’s a GREAT START!!

        See,.. you’ve made my point,.. but your “list” has at least four names that do not belong.

        You should have payed attention in school more.

        LOL!!

      • Anonymous

        There’sth thsome of the problem thsir. Your thside sthinks everyone is gay. You get to pick and choose. Ain’t that a hoot?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

      Proof please. I’d love to know who all these bad and evil criminal homosexual deviants riddled through our history are.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

        I promised your friends I wouldn’t post their addresses.

        But you go ahead if you want to.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

          Given that my friends are living in the PRESENT, they would not be in history books.

        • Anonymous

          Take a note from Conservative Hippie. Only comment when you have something intelligent to say.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002543536293 Mike Florey

    Coming curriculum: Mandatory Barbara Streisand concerts, ballroom dancing and bath house etiquette. Elective classes will include ‘Strictly Show Tunes’ and ‘Famous Flamers’.
    Faaabulous!

    • Anonymous

      And this is why the real problem is ignorance. Gay history has nothing to do with turning kids gay. It has absolutely nothing to do with this. It simply allows more history to be taught. Yes, there are events and people in history that involves homosexuality, and because accuracy is important in history classes, these events and peoples will be discussed.

      • Anonymous

        The only ignorance I see on this page is from you. You sully this thread with swill. Doesn’t Soros have a nice warm spot for you? Take it!

        • Anonymous

          And what swill would that be? Rshill i understand that there are always going to be two sides to an argument. Please, let your side of the argument be argued by someone who can argue rationally, since of course your comments hold no points.

          • Anonymous

            If you say so.

            The swill of defining deviancy down. You might have to tunnel up to visit it.

            • Anonymous

              I have not once denounced the definition of deviancy because i don’t believe it is wrong to be a deviant. I do believe gay people are deviants of modern history just like a believe socrates was a deviant of his time. A deviant is simply someone who departs markedly from the accepted norms. At one point, it was deviant behavior to be a revolutionist and go behind the word of the Queen of England. Out history is full of deviants who show us all that there are rational ways to think and live that were once thought by the main populace to be wrong.

              In fact, since on RS the social norm is to be anti-gay, i am proud to be a deviant.

              So, how am i “swilling of definition of deviancy down”?

              • Anonymous

                And you are misquoting me too. Isn’t that an extra special treat? Live your life, and let Christians live theirs. If you are going to force gay/lesbian propaganda down our kid’s throats, at least let us present the truth along with it! Allow both sides or neither.

              • Persephone

                So you “don’t believe it is wrong to be a deviant”.

                Then when a murderer deviates from the accepted norm of ‘not killing people’…you think they should be proud of their deviancy too?

                I guess you haven’t realized yet that moral relativism can only be stretched so far, then it fails.

                • Anonymous

                  Thats funny, because last time i checked i never said all deviant behavior is acceptable, but i understand it is non-deviant to put words in someones mouth whom you disagree with. Deviant behavior that causes harm to others, of course i am against that. Now if someone wants to get a bunch of tattoos, piercing, strange hair, and conduct in other out of the normal behavior they have every right to do those things, even though i personally wouldn’t want myself nor my kids to live that way.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002543536293 Mike Florey

        Its sarcasm, idiot. Easy targets, you know, low-hanging fruit.
        Did i say that?

        • Anonymous

          It can only be sarcasm if it holds some relevance to the topic at hand being gay history. So, my point is that there is no similarities because we are not teaching gay habits we are teaching gay history.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002543536293 Mike Florey

            ECON, whatever you do, don’t lose that delightful sense of humor. In fact, keep it to yourself and keep it in Kalifornia. You know, there’s a reason Jerry Brown is referred to as ‘Moonbeam’.

      • Anonymous

        You are incorrect ECON, exposing minds full of mush to gay histroy drivel does nothing but corrupts their minds with LGBT social crap. Yes I said LGBT, because that’s what this is all about, a LGBT agenda. And in my opinion social agenda driven horse puckey as no place in public education that is supported by tax payers. Now if the LGBT group wanted to sponser a private school than let them, just keep it out of the public schools.

  • Persephone

    So is NAMBLA going to be held up as a part of ‘gay history’?

    This is…sickening.

    And I agree with what you’ve said here, RS:
    “This is surely a harbinger of things to come in other states, as California is such a large market for school textbooks that it tends to set the tone for the rest of the country.”

    • Anonymous

      The only thing this state is going to set the tone for is the Fat Lady’s favorite song, whatever that is. I’d say in this case, it is this…”The Party’s Over”. They are and will, continue to implode. They can twist in the wind, they can twist to Chubby Checker, they can twist education until it resembles nothing other than mind-control and recruitment for the Progressive Communists.

      What the idiot down below named Econconservative…doesn’t seem to understand is this…it is the very social policies that libs cram down our throats that are also killing us financially, competitively, and every other way. He needs to pull his head out of his own stupid ass and keep his homosexuality applause to himself. We don’t want to hear it. Go to Huffington Post econ, you can flaunt your anus there. Pull your head our first so they can recognize just who owns the disconnected psychology residing in your half-baked brain,,,if you can call it that.

      Perse: Thanks for “letting me” spew to you. I feel better :-)

      • Persephone

        No problem Rshill.
        You give good spew.

        Ew, that didn’t sound right.
        Oh well, you know what I mean.
        It’s too hot here…104 in the shade.
        Thank you, dear Lord, for air conditioning!

        • Anonymous

          Kid, it’s 67-ish here. North Michigan! It’ll kill ya’ in the Winter, but is kind in the Summer. We may hit the 90’s next week. Everyone’s diggin’ in deep…you know, below the permafrost.

          • Persephone

            Ooo…67-ish?
            That sounds wonderful….we’re getting lows in the high 70’s at night.
            It’s worse than being out in the desert.
            Because at least in the desert, it cools down into the 50’s & 40’s at night.
            I’ll stop complaining now.

  • Anonymous

    “What would a lesson plan look like for, say, the kindergarden level? Forget it, I don’t even want to know. I’m cringing just thinking about it.” – RS

    Come on RS you know as well as anyone else that public schools don’t teach history in kindergarten.

    Adding gay history into a history class is no different than when public schools started teaching kids black history in history class. The point is to give kids some understanding about the gay community and teach them acceptance rather than hatred. I don’t understand why people rather have their kids find out what it means to be gay on their own rather than have an adult give kids an understanding so when they run into a gay person they don’t react like most people, because most people don’t like people who think/act differently than themselves.

    History has proven that acceptance is harder to teach/learn than hatred. Even though i may have not voted for Jerry Brown, i am very grateful that he signed this bill.

    • Anonymous

      Shove it. I don’t have to tell you where.

      • Anonymous

        Im so glad that someone who thinks superior to me has decided to reply in such a rational way.

        • Anonymous

          I’m glad you recognize superior thinking.

          Are you an animal rights activist? Just curious. In my experience all gay rights activists are vegetarians and really into the whole PETA thing.

          • Anonymous

            Dito.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

            As a gay rights activist, I’m here to say that I hate PETA and would probably die if I was a vegetarian.

            • Anonymous

              Thanks for being honest Belial. Maybe you should think about changing your name since it refers to Satan who is the “Father of Lies”

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

                Yeah, I probably should. I’m a religious studies student, and the character intrigues me, is all.

                • Anonymous

                  Belial intrigues me too, so much so that I want to know everything I can about my adversary. BTW I’m also a religion major. Funny that we have those things in common ;)

        • Anonymous

          Your welcome kind thsir.

          (rimshot!)

    • Anonymous

      Being “gay” is a behavior. It’s a self defined and self-indentifying label. Homosexuality is not a race, nationality, or gender. It is whatever that person decides it means to them and they perform behaviors based on their own meaning of the label. Some gay people will tell you that being gay has nothing to do with sex.

      How dare you compare it to being black or some other minority who has faced real discrimination. You should be ashamed of yourself.

      • Anonymous

        This is where the real issue lies, the reason both sides of this argument get emotional over it. You see, im an gay activist because i believe that homosexuality is an ascribed characteristic. I believe this because if it was not then no one would be gay. No one would go through the scrutiny of coming out as a gay person if it were a choice. Why would anyone choose to be different, to be hated, to have to live under the fear of being beat for their personality. I guess i was blessed to grow up with a gay uncle, a gay sister, gay friends, when i was very young. Im heterosexual, and i have never once had a gay act nor wanted to have a gay act. And it was always clear to me that people in my life who turned out to be gay would act differently but would hide their true selves because of the fear that i or others would not accept them.

        And to say that gays are a minority, and that they do face real discrimination, i will never be ashamed of. It is clear that they face discrimination, and i am so grateful that we are making the changes necessary to get rid of the discriminating.

        • Anonymous

          ECON, I don’t know what spiritual stripe you are and I’m not here to be judgemental toward you. But I have this weird habit of wanting others to try and see and understand things through my Christian lenses. Homosexuality is one of those “things”. Instead of writing a 50 page dissertation on RS’s site I direct you to this youtube video:

          The speaker is a man named Ravi Zacharias and he answers a question about Homosexuality and Christianity from a man in the audience. This video changed my whole perspective on homosexuality. I encourage you to watch it all the way through (9 minutes). Here’s another video by Ravi Zacharias, the topic is a surprise ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl9ds3W7HQ0

        • Anonymous

          Many don’t believe that government has the right to teach our children about right and wrong behavior other than that which is necessary to keep order in a class room.

          Behavior in general is subjective concerning morality, therefor in a free country there should be no public agenda to change people’s minds or behavior. What individuals believe or do not believe should be up to them based on their conscience and the information that they choose to accept.

          Indoctrination is that which is done to people who are vulnerable to other people’s influences. Children are the epitome of vulnerable. Therefor behavioral subjects in curriculum’ should not be painted in either good nor bad light.

          Mandating gay history in K-12 schooling is unacceptable because more than half of those years involve children who cannot discern good from bad, and right from wrong. If you believe in parent’s rights to teach their children as they see fit, then you would have to see this as a negative.

          Otherwise, you must believe that the State is god, and has the right to force its agenda upon children while usurping the rights of parents. Even if you don’t believe that the state is god, but rather just believe that it is a force for good, I would submit to you that you have been deceived. Rather, indoctrinated to believe that the state is acting in your general best interests.

          As a libertarian I believe that gays deserve equal rights under the law. Special rights are another thing.

          What if you thought that guns were bad, and wanted to teach your children the same, yet my special group demanded that guns be taught in the schools to be a good thing? Wouldn’t you rather that the government allowed you to teach that to your children without having to fight the system for your child’s mind?

          I taught my children that homosexual behavior was bad. I also taught them that they should love the person and hate the behavior.They grew up and ultimately decided for themselves. I believe that I had a moral obligation to teach them right from wrong as I saw it. For the state to indoctrinate my children contrary to my own beliefs is a matter of conflict toward my own conscience. Now, how do you reconcile the state interfering with my ability to follow my own conscience?

          If you agree with the state doing this, then you are saying that I do not have freedom of conscience or thought. Nor do I have reasonable parental rights of conscience. Why is it that you don’t believe in freedom? Do you feel that your freedom has been taken by people who appose homosexual behavior being taught as a good thing, and therefor have decided to get back at them?

          If you run to the State to take care of all your desires, you will ultimately lose the ability to choose for yourself who it is that you want to be, and what it is that you want to do. Social engineering is something that ultimately strips freedom of choice, and you are advocating it loud and clear.

          Behavioral history is not a fundamental topic for educating children to be able to compete within society for financial stability. If someone has an interest in it, they can educate themselves, or take a special course.

          Forcing it into a public school classroom simply is an indoctrination agenda.

          • Anonymous

            Well said Mr Fudd!

    • Anonymous

      Nice false dichotomy there, sparky. We have to choose between hatred and acceptance? You lefties always want everyone else to put up with your crap, and then you call it “acceptance,” and claim it’s a moral value.

      Tell you what, keep your unhinged, out-of-control behavior to yourself, and leave us alone. That would be called “discretion.”

    • KenInMontana

      What precisely is wrong with teaching American History, is there some implied context in the word American? Aside from the obvious, that it implies a nationality? Throughout my schooling American History was just that, we learned how people of many different ethnic groups all contributed to the formation and advancement of America as a nation. This “Diversity” movement is nothing more than a divisive movement designed to fan hatred and ethnic tensions and subvert the ideal of America as a “melting pot”, a place that when a immigrant arrives that they become a part of, they leave behind where they came from and become an American and contribute to that mix. The melting pot analogy is that by coming here and joining in through that joining the best qualities fuse together creating a stronger society and a stronger nation, the bad qualities are “burned off” to fall away like slag. There is nothing wrong with honoring ethnic traditions and heritage. I descend from mainly a European heritage with North American Tribal and African heritage thrown in for good measure, but when asked, I proudly state that I am an American. I don’t hyphenate it with another ethnicity or a sexual orientation or a religious denomination, ever.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

      Homosexuals make up LESS than 2% of the ENTIRE U.S. population.

      Look what YOU do in your bedroom is NOT something I want to hear about or witness,.. OR have MY kids hear about or witness.

      NO matter HOW much YOU WANT us to hear about it or witness IT.

      SORRY idiot.

      And your continued attempt at “MAINSTREAMING” your sexually deviant behavior does not mean it is not sexually deviant behavior.

      YOU ARE a SEXUAL DEVIANT. Get over it. Just stop trying to make ME accept your sexually deviant behavior.

      NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

  • Anonymous

    This is what happens when we allow libs and fags run rampant…

  • Anonymous

    For those who may want to home school but think they can’t do it themselves, or like me just KNOW they can’t do it themselves, there is an alternative:

    http://www.laurelsprings.com/

    I’m sure that’s not the only online school there is but it’s the one I used when I took my daughter out of the public schools in 7th grade. It’s a fully accredited distance learning program that is used by the entertainment industry. It’s what child actors often use.

    It’s not cheap, but they take credit cards. I think it was worth every penny.

    • Anonymous

      I think I love you. I’ll try to set that aside though, and just say, thanks for that.

  • Anonymous

    This is just another step in advancing the depraved agenda of radical homosexuals. There is absolutely no societal advantage in promoting the deviant lifestyle of immoral adults to children. We do not teach children to accept that which only results in debased character as being equivalent to standard behaviour.

    • Anonymous

      Right On!

  • Frederick

    The rise of Socialism is a slow grind on the sovereign, and will set precedence long before it actually sits at the throne. People are indeed stupid enough, and do enslave themselves. America is most vulnerable to totalitarian dictorship, and despotic rule because it’s people are free.

    Eternal vigilance isn’t just a slogan by some old white dude who lived over 180 years ago. It is a required duty. Never change the oil in your engine, and it will have a short life span.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

    Pedophilia and rape involve a lack of consent. They hurt others. Anyone who agrees with them as a lifestyle choice is truly depraved. Homosexuality, however, is not a lifestyle choice. Even if it was, it is not based in non-consentual sex acts.

    Many people are heterosexual. Many people are pedophiles and rapists. Are all heterosexual people pedophiles and rapists? Apply the same thing to homosexuals.

    • Anonymous

      A purposely chosen demonic name.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

        Not for this forum, no. I chose this name years and years ago.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

    Teacher: Two daddies, unfortunately, can’t make a baby. But they can take in children with no parents.

    By the logic of “the only valid relationship is a child-producing one,” my heterosexual friend’s ex boyfriend was TOTALLY justified in breaking up with her because of her defective womb. Because that’s our only value as women.

  • Anonymous

    Belial: The etymology of the word is uncertain, but is most commonly translated as “lacking worth”.[1] Some scholars translate it from Hebrew as “worthless” (Beli yo’il), while others translate it as “yokeless” (Beli ol), “may have no rising” (Belial) or “never to rise” (Beli ya’al). Only a few etymologists have assumed it to be an invented name from the start.[2] In the Book of Jubilees, penilely uncircumcised heathens are called “sons of Belial”.

    • Anonymous

      Rshill I am havinga hard time trying to take the user, Belial, serious – becuase of that exact reason. I’m trying to have an open mind here, but the Bible tells me that I must choose bewteen “Christ or Belial”. I choose Christ!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2T7M3LQ37NGRC75WWXJZHKWOW4 Belial

        I changed the name, but I’m not sure if it’ll take for the rest of the forum. I appreciate your attempts at open mindedness. I hope that you will attempt to separate my words from a fake name I got from a comic book when I was 14.

        edit: yeah, it won’t change on here.

  • http://twitter.com/Convair54 Scott Benedict

    Glad to know that we have our priorities straight (no pun) here in California. For heavan’s sake …we could do more productive things like making sure that our farmers in the San Juaquin valley don’t have enough water to grow crops. (ooops..we already did that). Or we could heap more regulations on businesses to force them out of the State. (ooops we did that already too). Or, better yet, we could just give all of our precious tax money to the Unions and Illegals…(sh##…we’ve done that too). Well, nothing more left to do. Have fun California…I’ve just finished moving my two businesses out of state. Have fun.

    • Anonymous

      Love your sarcasim Scott and joined the club – we moved our business from metro New York area to Tennessee. Yeah!, no income tax!

  • wesley buel

    real heart breaking.for those who know scripture,the WORD OF GOD,you all know what this is all about.

  • wesley buel

    real heart breaking,for those who know scripture,THE WORD OF GOD,you all know what this is all about.

  • Anonymous

    Come on scoop, associating gays with NAMBLA is like associating Christians with the Westbore Baptists. Not cool dude.

    • Winston Blake

      Gay clergymen molest boys all the time…

    • Winston Blake

      Gay clergymen molest boys all the time…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_N6ZDGVOKAWXYHANEHGAPJPQ5J4 Marc

    We get the government we deserve, if we vote for / elect this jerks…

  • Winston Blake

    So will they be teaching about gay clergy molesting boys???

  • Winston Blake

    So will they be teaching about gay clergy molesting boys???

  • JoelDick

    I have always found history gay. Gayest subject in high school.

  • Anonymous

    It appears fag sympathizers like Econ and belial are secret nambla supporters masquerading as “non-judgemental” fair-minded voices on this thread.

    It’s a colossal waste of time to DEBATE these psuedo-intellectuals–who choose defecate on the godly Christian principles this country was founded.

    We should focus on BASHING them instead.

    • KenInMontana

      So you would advocate mindless juvenile name calling over reasoned discourse/debate? You would have us lower ourselves to that level of school yard tirades? Econ’s screen name tells me pretty much all I need to know about his politics, but lowering yourself to “bashing” only makes you look like an idiot.