"CBS News argues that the cuts are actually good for Medicare by making it more efficient and extending the life of the program. But how can cutting hospital reimbursements make Medicare a better program when their current reimbursements are already too low? How stupid do they think we are?"
"they claim that Obama’s massive Medicare cuts don’t come out of the Medicare trust funds. How can that be? There are two Medicare trust funds that contain taxpayer money that pays for the entire program. If Obamacare is taking $716B out of Medicare and it’s not coming out of the very trust funds that pay for Medicare, where in the heck is it coming from? Pixie dust?
This says it all right here.
The fact that the 716 Billion dollars cuts, which was stolen from the Medicare Trust Fund to slush fund Obamacare, was also double counted to make a false argument to say Obamacare would be deficit neutral, obviously a lie which was pointed out at the time by Republicans as well as the CBO.
It's amazing how these CBS media hacks can just sit there and blatantly lie about the facts, right to the America public, without blinking and eye. They have absolutely no shame whatsoever.
They are trying make the public somehow believe that math doesn't even exist, ie; subtracting 716 Billion dollars from a govt entitlement program will somehow magically make it more efficient and better and more affordable, etc.. Why, because in their illogical warped liberal ideological mindset, which comes from their leftist indoctrination- if it doesn't flow with their political agenda plan, to ensure their leaders stay in power to continue that plan, then just make it so. Make the laws of mathematics, science, and physics whatever they say it is.. Make credible by stating it so on national media platform outlets and networks, particularly on prime time TV.
These liberal media hacks are absolutely inane, inept, and delusional, but worse, they're complicit co-conspirators in their national deception to deceive the America people with false misleading information- that is the far left Obamaland lie, all to justify their liberal agenda and cause, ie; the end justifies the means, sacrificing whatever integrity and self-worth they may have ever had as so called professional journalists.
This article is pointless without sources; any dumbass can argue their point without proof of factual information. (... and sadly other dumbasses will believe their every word)
The spending would increase by that amount in order to keep up with the increasing number of recipients and to be able to maintain current benefits. A cut is a cut is a cut, and benefits will have to be cut in order to pay for Obamacare with the $716 billion stolen from Medicare.
Bob Sheethead even got the amount wrong......he said "$716M," when in fact it is $716B. Geeze, he can't even get the simple stuff correct. Do your homework, Bobbie, then attack Republicans and cover for the Dims.
Krauthammer had a good response to the defense that the cuts are only to the medical providers. I would have liked to here also a response to the Ryan plan having done the same thing. I guess it would have been that it does do the same thing but only in 10 years and only because of the option it gives to choose private insurance?
Epic - I agree Charles did a good job but he should have explained it better, and may have in the actual broadcast. However, it is explained in the article that accompanies the clip that "by repealing all of Obamacare's spending, the Republican budget does not spend the money Obamacare took out of Medicare and thus those funds are used to extend the Medicare Trust Fund". I know this stuff is complicated and the media spins certainly distracts and confuses everyone, but for them to say he does the same thing, could not be further from the truth. Thank God we have places like the Right Scoop to show us the light!
where do I begin, the one cuts medicare now not to save medicare but to spend on obamacare which no one wants, and then he blames ryan who has no cuts, restores all the money the one raided and ryan is the one who is ending medicare. He expects us to buy this.
“ CBS News argues that the cuts are actually good for Medicare by making it more efficient and extending the life of the program. But how can cutting hospital reimbursements make Medicare a better program when their current reimbursements are already too low?” So, because the cuts are in the fees to the service providers then that makes it OK. Nurses and physicians go to college for many years and many have even more specialized training so are they supposed to work for free?! This is journalistic malpractice because CBS and the rest of lame stream media really thinks we stupid!
So, if you were a business owner of say of a bakery and someone said you need to cut the money used to buy supplies, pay the utilities to operate the bakery, but you still need to provide services to give a quality product to clients who service the bakery then you would say no way. You would have to cut employees, cut back on supplies or buy less expensive supplies, cut hours of operation, and on and on. Its the same thing that service providers must do or they do not provide the service. Simple!
Spot on. If everyone in America would try those pants on for size in their industry, they would immediately realize why and how all the government regulations, legislation and services for healthcare, are designed to collapse our healthcare industry into government control.
And it does not stop at healthcare providers and payers. Healthcare is intertwined with hundreds and hundreds of other industries.
It is sheer insanity. Many of us are already getting out and there is no getting back in. Americans are going to deeply regret our ignorance of what the government is doing.
'But where did that $716 billion figure come from? From here - If the President's Affordable Care Act is repealed, spending for Medicare would increase by an estimated $716 billion' - CBS report
I must be dense here. I keep hearing this line and I don't understand how repealing ObamaCare [thus stopping Obama from robbing $716 billion from Medicare to pay for it] causes Medicare spending to increase this amount. Am I seeing something backwards here or what?
Granted, the cuts in Medicare would technically be lost, causing the spending to go back to it's original cost, but it doesn't cause Medicare to cost more than it originally would have. This bogus reasoning is the same as saying keeping the Bush tax cuts in place will cost the government more money. It doesn't. They just don't get to spend what they hoped they could spend in excess.
Obama steals from Medicare, whether it's in hospital payments, doctor reimbursements, or patient services. Putting that theft back into Medicare doesn't create a new cost, it merely restores the staus quo.
No wonder people are confused and close their minds when they hear about these shell games. Geesh.
On it's face, without explanation, cutting funds from any programs means that somebody is not getting paid. If someone is not getting paid they stop offering the services.
The best thing though, is that with age comes wisdom. Seniors will not be fooled by this.
Something Zero will never, ever understand.
Exactly! - somebody is not getting paid - that is the objective and the control point.
Much of our family works in the provider side of the healthcare industry. Americans have to stop thinking about healthcare as some nebulous concept of fairness and entitlement. It is an industry, and we all work hard to provide the best services, products and care in the world, but we have to make a profit, a living to feed our families. Just like anyone else in any other industry.
I ask people to just think about what they would do in their industry, if after investing in 6-10 years and 100's of thousands of dollars of education and certification, the people of America and the government came in and said their company must provide the goods and services to anyone who walks in the front door regardless of their ability to pay.
Then imagine when you could no longer keep your doors open the, government stepped in and took control of all accounts receivables and cash flow to your business through insurance regulatory control.
Then imagine the government started telling you it would stop those payments unless you follow their rules, provided the services and products they prescribe and charge only the prices they determine.
Then imagine one day they come in and tell you whose, lives you can save and who you must leave to die.
Puts a whole new spin on John Lennon's song doesn't it?
They the doctors quit because of obamatax, I have no doubt they will be replaced with muslim's who have proven themselves to have no concern for life.
Obamatax must be repealed!
"I have no doubt they will be replaced with muslim's who have proven themselves to have no concern for life."
That my friend is real. Pick you doctors carefully. Let your family and primary physician know you concern.
When we pulled my mother in law out of the "medicare mill" that nearly killed her in florida, Her doctor was "an Egyptian".
As I have said they don't understand the system. My Dad has Kaiser paid for by Medicare. His co-pays have more than doubled. Medications have more than doubled and one jumped 1000%! Some services no longer are available. People on a fixed income simply cannot afford Obamacare.
Perhaps your father's experience is an example of why the majority of seniors fear obamacare over Ryan's budget....they are actually LIVING what obama care will do and it hasn't even fully kicked in yet.
Justice roberts will forever remain a villian to my way of thinking.
The psychology of this still confounds me. My mother in law despises Obama and Obamacare. Already she had to find a new Medicare supplement last year, her new primary doctor has stopped to accepting Medicare, her copays are going up, her meds are going up, her new supplement premium has already been increased.
I have explained to her how this is a direct result of Obamacare raiding Medicare. Yet everytime she opens another bill, she laments how everything used to "be free" and starts complaining that her Medicare Supplement Insurance company is ripping her off.
The beauty of fostering an entitlement mentality in a propaganda world.
Because my Dad has Kaiser he cannot purchase a supplement. Now he could dump Kaiser and use his Medicare elsewhere but he would have trouble finding a doctor and pharmacy. Even the Walgreen's in his area is now limiting what they carry that Medicare covers.
I am opposed to entitlements but I agree with Ryan in that we can't simply leave seniors twisting in the wind when their whole lives were planned around it. They are serving as a horrible warning about trusting government though.
Oh and nice job Charles.....I love this....hey Doctors we will be giving you LESS MONEY for Medicare patients....DUH!! CBS....oh that is not a cut....Doctors...Hey Obama we need to make up for that money...CBS...oh that is not a cut...Doctors....Hey patients sorry you know WE HAVE TO RAISE YOUR FEES because OBAMACARE GIVES US LESS AND WE NEED TO STAY IN BUSINESS....PATIENTS....OUR COST JUST WENT UP???....IT MUST HAVE BEEN THAT 716 BILLION DOLLAR CUT IN MEDICARE.....who they HECK does CBS think they are fooling!!
Anyone, especially seniors know, if you cut payments to providers the providers will charge THEM MORE!!
Ryan call for REPEALING OBAMACARE which means the providers will NOT BE PAID LESS hence no 716 billion cut.....but again they will be working on the ROMNEY PLAN!
Reduction in provider payments. Uh who the hell is the provider and what will happen when providers get SCREWED? NO MORE MEDICARE patients in my office and reduced services in hospital unless patient is code blue! When Medicare cuts in hospitals those very institutions will shut down Medicare services like same day surgery, endoscopy services and other day surgeries. These folks will be forced to come out of pocket for these procedures or take the risk nothing will happen at an advanced age. I guess death panels are true!
CBS...SAY NO MORE....NO ONE WATCHES....they did the story so Obama can run an ad to defend themselves. But I think when Ryan explains it more and more....CBS will look foolish as usual. I love that 716 billion does not come from MEDICARE....yes CBS it does...over 500 billion comes from the cuts to MEDICARE ADVANTAGE...which of course CBS never mentions, just as they never mention the CBO or the fact that the Ryan/Wyden plan is not Romney's Plan....but lets be clear...this is to provide coverage for Obama...
Here is the problem for CBS...SENIORS in Florida do not favor Obama on Medicare and in Florida Obama's Approval is down to 42 percent. Here is the deal Seniors have known for awhile that Obama is using Medicare to pay for Obamacare and they know Medicare Advantage is being raided big time!!
Bring it on CBS!!
We work with seniors on Medicare. The vast majority understand nothing about this. In Florida, seniors were nearly 100% behind FL Senator Nelson when he promised them that Obamacare would not touch their Medicare. They may not like Obama, but this Medicare scam is still well covered up.
We are hearing more and more complaints, problems and medical issues from Medicare patients that are clearly due to doctors not being able to get full or even partial reimbursements. There is an increase in doctors who will not accept Medicare.
Medicare supplement premiums are going up and/or coverage being cut back. This a direct and immediate result of Obamacare, yet most we talk to are already complaining about the "greedy" insurance companies and do not connect the dots at all.
In Massachusetts things are no better where we see very similar patterns from Romneycare - but it affects all insurance customers there - not just Medicare. Ironically, Medicare patients in Massachusetts are fairing just as poorly as in Florida.
Conning the con man?
I noticed in the Romney speech that TRS posted, that he referred to Obama taking this money out of the "Medicare Trust Fund". It caught my attention because THERE IS NO TRUST FUND, and a businessman like Romney must surely know the difference between a $700 billion budget line item and a $700 billion trust fund.
The Medicare and Social Security "trust funds" were set up to remain separate from the general budget. They were raided long ago and replaced with "chits". They are "unfunded liabilities". Why would a renowned business man and the congressional budget guy try to hide this from us?
Romney and Ryan have the high ground on this. Obama and Congress scammed the American people. End of story. However, if they continue propagating the myth of a trust fund, this will simply degenerate into a debate between two competing con men.
Oh what a tangled web you weave when first you practice to deceive?
""there are no funds in the Social Security “trust fund.” There are no funds in the Medicare “trust fund.” As Fortune magazine’s senior editor-at-large Allan Sloan explains in today’s Washington Post, those “trust funds” contain nothing but “funny money.”""
THERE IS NO TRUST FUND, and a businessman like Romney must surely know the difference.
""there are no funds in the Social Security “trust fund.” There are no funds in the Medicare “trust fund.”
Great posting Scoop... excellent insight.
This shouldn't even be an issue... but, true to form, Obama and his flying monkeys have once again turned something into an issue that distracts from the campaign. They are once again employing fear to scare and bewilder the elderly so they will vote for a pack of lies.
This is what Obama meant by being the most transparent presidency ever. He's as predictable as a sunrise.
This is such a distortion! If you notice the report does not say that everyone, Sinunu, Romney, and Ryan, has cited $716B coming from the CBO report itself not a letter that Boehner sent to the CBO! Moreover, indirectly by showing the services that seniors are not getting right now this report admits that services are being cut, now, today, not in the future as Obama has been saying to everyone that those are future cuts. Paul Ryan did tell us that cuts are happening now! The point is to get Government out of health care for all of us and allow the free enterprise market to reign and give us the opportunity to choose for ourselves.
"The point is to get Government out of health care for all of us and allow the free enterprise market to reign and give us the opportunity to choose for ourselves."
Exaclty!!!! Replace Obamacare with.....................NOTHING. Unleash the greatest, most talented, innovative, and compassionate people on the planet!
Notice that the CBS talking head said " 716 MILLION dollars". It was 1000 times more than that. MORE THAN ONE THIRD of Medicare's budget!!
Ryan needs a simple animation graphic for this because, for most voters, anything over a million dollars is just an abstract thought, These propagandists at CBS know this, and they will continue to confuse this issue.
It is simple outright scam of the American people. Obama transferred one third of Medicare's budget to the Obamamcare balance sheet to make it look nearly 1 trillion less expense than it really is. They were then planning to later borrow an additional $700 billion to put back into Medicare by passing the the "Doc Fix" bill in 2011. Surprise! The Tea Party showed up.
Ryan has got to find a dead simple way to explain this because it exposes the blatant deception and fraud committed by Congress, the media, and Obama.
I noticed that slip, too. It's a testament to the fact that people watching this on TV can't wrap their brains around a million, billion, or trillion. They are just big numbers to most people. Sad.
Obama's way of figuring numbers is why he needs no budget and why they haven't passed one in almost 4 years. Just juggle the amounts around is all they need to do. I think I'll try this stunt with my credit card (of which I presently own only one).
I'll get 5 cards, max out card A, pay off A with B, and when B is maxed, I'll pay off B with C. Maxing C, I will pay it off with D and then finally with E. Once E is maxed, I will pay it off with A and continue the cycle until I either die of old age or they catch up to me.
In either case, I will have actually paid off zero debt, but spent my life building more debt that is unsustainable. Sounds like the government, doesn't it.
If our Debt was 16,000,000 (Sixteen Million) Each of the 314,145,394 citizens owe. $0.05
A Family of Four owe $0.20, or the 114,143,018 Taxpayers $0.14
If our Debt was 16,000,000,000 (Sixteen Billion) Each of the 314,145,394 citizens owe. $50.93
A Family of Four owe $203.73, or the 114,143,018 Taxpayers $140.18
If our Debt was 16,000,000,000,000 (Sixteen Trillion) Each of the 314,145,394 citizens would owe. $50,931.83
A Family of Four would owe $203,727.32, or the 114,143,018 Taxpayers $140,175.02
If we account for our total unfunded Liabilities it would be a tad more. 114,500,000,000,000 (One Hundred fourteen and a half Trillion) Each of the 314,145,394 citizens owe. $364,480.91
A Family of Four owe $1,457,923.65, or the 114,143,018 Taxpayers $1,003,127.50
It becomes unfathomable when it goes from a billion to a trillion
a graphic version... http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us/
The Debt Clock... http://www.usdebtclock.org/
I hope it is readable...
I love that debt clock. I use it a lot. There is so much info there to use.
Another clock I love is this one:
I got it... I'm with you... that is why I used the sacrifice for a million years...
You make a lot of sense out of the nonsense...
The sad thing is they (MSM) can come out with a Million instead of the Real numbers a billion and most don't know don't care...
I appreciated both yours and sDee's comments.
I knew that would be taken wrong!
Just buy the regular size, not the Giant Size.
If you make that sacrifice for a million years, you will be surprised how fast it adds up...
That really cleard up alot of things for me, thanks for the simple, yet telling way of explaining what bo and the dems have been doing.
At some point it all will colapse and the only thing that has been postponing the enevitable is the federal government's ability to print money, is that correct?
So, what bo and all dems are counting on is that they will be dead by the time the piper comes calling? Or exactly how do they think it will never catch up to them...if you have any idea.
Wow....when God said there's wickendness in high places, He must have been including the dems and rinos.
No wonder the Tea Party scares them and have to be vilified by the left. satan just hates it when he gets exposed...
The very reason many liberal and RINO politicians decided to retire rather than attempt re-election. The scheme is finally catching up to them and the Tea Party scares the living daylights out of them. A two-fer, in my opinion.
'cept you can't print money, or send IRS goons over to your neighbors house to take the money you need.