It wont stop me from supporting them. This feels more like a hatchet job from some very corrupt people trying to smear chick fil a. I have never fully trusted the right schoop and this is just another reason.
I wonder how Chick Fil A would respond if all those people all over the country that came out to show them support STOPPED eating at their restaurant now! How very sad and disappointing but not surprising. I guess putting a restaurant in Il and making money means more than their comittment to what is right and true.
Gee, maybe if we make a big fuss we can get McDonalds to stop funding the Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce.
In the words of the AFA (American Family Association), Chick-Fil-A is probably trying to "stay neutral in the culture war." It might be best that they do as a corporation, and the owners give as much as they want privately to whomever they wish.
Judging by some of the reactions here, you'd think they just announced the new Chick-Feel-Gay sandwich to appease the Left. It's probably not so dire.
Gee ....How come the mean evil traditional marriage nazi's are not protesting how the business spends their own money
Hell, start opening on Sundays. I'm sure there is someone out their who wants CFA chicken on Sundays and aren't Christian's. I'm sure there is an employee who thinks because they don't recognize the Christian faith they should be permitted to work on Sundays. Isn't that the next logical step? Keep giving in.
I'm going to take others advice and wait as long as I can for what's supposed to be the real verdict. One thing I will say is this is the reason for the fall of the USA. Lazy Christians with no backbone. This stuff goes on while we're at our Mega church feeling good about ourselves. Lets not actually do something though. Oooooooh we love to gripe but what we really like to do is...........nothing.
What the left likes to do is put people in groups and classes, according to the victimization or perceived injustice they have suffered. (sarc-on)I'm sure they'll have an Only on Sundays organization for those who feel that CFA contributes to "hate" groups that support businesses that don't stay open on Sundays. They must hate people who can only go to Chik-Fil-A on Sundays, since they contribute to those Sunday-hating support groups. That's discriminatory to those who want to buy a chicken sandwich on Sundays and is hateful to those people.(sarc-off)
In response to the RS update posted - Sounds like a lot of corporate-speak to me. It wasn't clear, and it wasn't direct regarding the specific latest controversy. That tells me that Chick-Fil-A is no longer funding traditional-marriage groups, and has bent to the will of the "outraged" left. I read and I re-read their comments. Nope. Nothing but corporate-speak.
I knew they would eventually bend to the wishes of the unhappy lobby. I REFUSE TO CALL THEM GAY. These are very mean people who have no use for the First Amendment, unless they are doing the talking. Good-bye chicken restaurant!
It would be wrong for any Corporation to do something that intentionally hurts their small business franchisees. The Cathy family can still fund whatever they want through their personal foundation. Which I imagine they will. Just think of it this way, now Chicago profits will go into Chik-fil-a owners pockets who can do what they want with them.
Dude, it took me 30 seconds to hand you your hat. Read the following link for franchise information.
I think the liberal tactics of forcefully stopping a company from giving to organizations of their choice is outrageous. Either stop giving to causes the liberals don't like (conservative causes) or they won't let you do business in a free market. If I had the ability I would fire every last liberal in government tomorrow and send them all to Venezuela. They'd fit right in there.
another thuggery from the 'tolerance' crowd. The militant sodomites and their cohorts-successfully bully another company into compliance to their agenda. I'm not going to chic-fill A tomorrow or any other day.
"For many months now, Chick-fil-A’s corporate giving has been mischaracterized."
Well, then why did you sit around and let it be mischaracterized? Something stinks about this whole thing. I don't believe this explanation any more than I believe Moreno.
OK, so 200 or so comments later. I have a few things to say now that I've read all the comments. First of all. We are Christians. Or for the most part those who have spoken their minds here are Christian. I jumped the gun. I stand by, waiting for the whole story to come out. I still stand by my own comment, although, I did jump on Chick Fil A before hearing more, and for that I do apologize.
Now, being that most of us here are Christians, I think we need to remember, that no one is perfect- and especially someone who has hundreds of thousands of employees is perfect, no matter how Christian they are. I've been severely disappointed by Christians before, and I will be again, I'm sure- just as I've disappointed folks. It shouldn't mean that we totally give up (boycott) a company who is still displaying Christian values. If this story is true, we have to do as KeninMontana, and Puritan and a few others suggested. We need to think of all angles- not just our bruised feelings. There are many people who will get jobs out of this company opening in this area, and for someone who has known WAY too much unemployment for a lifetime, I'm glad for those who will get the opportunity to work for a great company.
So, I guess what it all boils down to, and what we need to focus on, is what the leftist/progressive/marxist/socialist party has done to this beautiful country. They have basically ordered a corporation to be accountable for whom they donate to.
What other corporations have had outside groups tell them whom they can and can not donate to? This is what the left has brought us, when individuals and businesses are no longer allowed to donate to whom they want to, and are intimidated for having traditional values. Not blowing whichever way the wind is blowing on any given day.
In the last few weeks, we have seen assaults by our government on the free excersize of speech. A GOD given right. We have seen 1 that is ONE person complain about something as innocent and timeless as a Daddy Daughter dance, which caused a whole district county to end that tradition. We have seen bullies from the left, thugs dressed up as mayors and aldermans intimidating and black mailing a corporation in the greatest depression in nearly a century because that corporation has the nerve to believe in Traditional marriage and family values. OH THE EVILNESS of them, how dare they indoctrinate our children by having a kids meal with a BOOK instead of a toy.
Come on people. We're Christians, and while we hopefully will never bow down to the filth of this world for temporary gain, we must not be so quick to judge our fellows when we don't know the whole situation.
I guess I've said enough.
Lovely post as usual AbiC. We all got sucked in to one degree or another, and I'm not surprised that you are the one to tell us so, helping to keep everyone on track. There has been so much to be outraged at, this entire month especially, as you rightly point out. What seemed like an awful betrayal at first glance, put the match to the kindling and a lot of frustration came out. No wonder - the provocations have been so great. We'll reflect, and ponder your words and those of others, then be ready to join in the battle against the dark forces again tomorrow, a little wiser after this day. (Actually, it must already be tomorrow where you are - you're up late!)
Before I say goodnight - there is a new WHInsider out, and it's very interesting. Hope you won't see it til tomorrow though, we've had enough for one day, no? Good night! :)
lol, thank you p m. I did stay up late- always do. As I get older, even when I'm tired, I just can't sleep well, so I stay up until I can't help but fall asleep when my head hits my pillow. Drives my husband nuts lol, but he's a light sleeper too and often has the radio on when I finally go to bed.... so then that keeps me awake ;-)
Anyway, I did read the report (last night) and it was good. I don't know what things will be come the next few months, I have a strong feeling it's going to be very ugly- which is why I get sad seeing us all here arguing or getting on forgetting to give the benifit of the doubt to a Christian over a secular politician first until we get a whole story telling us all the details. Sigh, I'm just as guilty of it... I can understand- as too much is going on and we lose focus on what is going on behind so to speak.
God Bless you my friend across the pond! Hope you have a Blessed day/evening!!
Real marriage wasn’t political until a tiny minority decided it had to be fundamentally changed from what is has been for a few thousand years. A solid majority in every state that has allowed its citizens to vote on the matter have said they don’t think it’s political, they think it’s traditional.
Don't tell that to a person I debated with on this site, who believes marriage is not a Biblical principle, but an American principle and therefore, gays and lesbians should be allowed to get legally married. I'm summarizing here, but that was basically the viewpoint presented.
I went to see a specialist in Chicago. I was early and it was lunch time. My wife and I see a sign for chicken across the street. We walk in and the whole inside was bullet proof glass and just a slit to pay with a locking BP door to give you your food. It was really strange and uncomfortable we made our order to go. We should have turned right around and left.
I do not want anything to do with Chicago and avoid it like the plague.
I would have sued the alderman and he should have been pressured to resign. Where are the Conservative Liberty, Law and Justice lawyers to protect us?
We just sit back and take it every time.
We will regret taking “turning the other cheek” to literally very soon.
I had the same experience at a Coney Island on Eight Mile road in Detroit several years ago. All of the workers' area was behind thick plexiglass. You don't really feel the least bit safe in the dining room in that environment. I kept looking all around, expecting thugs to walk in anytime. I think that was when I decided the next time I go to Detroit, I go armed.
Which was a really bad decision. And I'm sorry I made it.
The correct decision is to always be armed.
Sounds very frightening and intimidating, JS.
Agree about turning the other cheek - Jesus didn't do that in the Temple, did he? Or anywhere he found that His Father had been superseded. There is a Righteous God, and we show our hubris when we forget Him. Turning the other cheek is not submission, but courage. We need to remember that and not assume it's just an easy way to do nothing.
Chick-fil-A’s giving heritage is focused on programs that educate youth, strengthen families and enrich marriages, and support communities. We will continue to focus our giving in those areas.This is their political and social agenda.Our intent is not to support political or social agendas.You can't have it both ways. You cannot continue to focus on "programs that ... strengthen families and enrich marriagees" without supporting a political and social agenda.
You just might end up with a retraction. I am relying on finding the truth here!
Don't forget folks, you can find out what's going on in the twisted world of homosexual activism here: http://www.massresistance.org/
Warning, some of this will turn your stomach.
Don't be disappointed... They are a business in a nation split in half.
They can't grow their business by alienating half the nation.
We can't win hearts and minds by boycotting or buycotting any business.
We need to try and win people with honesty and integrity on a person-to-person level.
"They can't grow their business by alienating half the nation."
Sure they could.
First, 1/2 of the nation isn't causing CFA's problems here. Second, even if it were 1/2, that half would not care if CFA folded or not, as long as it first openly support men sodomizing other men and give their money to prove it. What happened to CFA and all the jobs it provides after that, they could not care less.
So in that sense, they could very well survive AND THRIVE if they just took the stand that says something to the effect of, "homosexuals are welcome to eat and work at our restaurants but we stand adamantly against homosexuality and will in no way support the homosexual agenda."
If they came out with THAT statement, the business rush they had some weeks ago would be nothing in comparison to the flood of customers that would descend upon them
posted at 9:39 pm on September 19, 2012 by Allahpundit
I’d like to think they took my advice and made a totally empty promise knowing that there’s not much he can do to punish them if they break it. But I don’t. I assume this is on the level, and further assume that it’s a business decision driven not so much by their desire to open a new franchise in Chicago as their desire to forfeit their status as a national political lightning rod.
Still depressing to see them cave, though, and I say that as someone who supports gay marriage. Letting this cretin bully them into withholding money from their favorite political causes as a condition of doing business sets a terrible precedent. But oh well. Note to red-staters: Feel free to start making zoning permits contingent on local liberal business-owners taking a solemn vow not to give money to the left anymore.
As a result of the negotiations, Mr. Moreno received a letter signed by John E. Featherston Jr., a senior director of real estate for Chick-fil-A, stating, “The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas.”
Mr. Moreno said in an interview Wednesday that he believes the company will stop “using money to fund groups that have antigay causes. They have committed in writing they will not do that.”
He said company executives showed him records of its charitable giving for the year that does not include groups such as Focus on the Family, Exodus International or other groups that oppose marriage equality or have fought against the expansion of gay rights…
Chick-fil-A, which has more than $4 billion in annual sales, issued a statement on Wednesday that echoed one it produced in July, saying that “going forward, our intent is to leave the policy debate over same-sex marriage to the government and political arena.”
Between 2008 and 2010, Chick-fil-A’s foundation gave more than $3 million to groups opposed to same-sex marriage. Denying someone a permit due to his opinions is blatant viewpoint discrimination and violates the First Amendment, but as I said, I think Chick-fil-A simply wants off this political merry-go-round. If they sued, they’d probably win, but it might take years to resolve and in the meantime they’d be on the hot seat every time a new skirmish over SSM broke out. I think they just want to be done with this. If the Cathy family wants to continue to donate to social conservative groups, they’ll find another outlet than the WinShape Foundation.
Typical tactics of the left. They make an annoucement hype the message using the media to put pressure on an organization to respond. Homosexual organizations did the same thing with the boy scouts but they didn't succeed there either. But, they never give up!
Thank you so much for the update. I am going to do a search, along with the website you have given, WND is great. I visit everyday. I will go check it out. Once again, thank you proud patriot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're absolutely right, Scoop, this is not a denial about their meeting with a leftist politician and bowing to his pro-homosexual demands.
Well, my family and I are done with Chick-Fil-A.
Oh I am so dissapointed in Chick-Fil-A. I was a supporter during the last controversy. Now I will never eat at that restaurant chain again. I believe they were bullied into submission. But, I also thought they had more backbone than that.
Homosexuality is against our heavenly father and if anyone disagrees, so what. That is my opinion, and in America I still have that right to express my opinion. At least until Obama steals the election and then he will find this post I submitted and, lets just say, show me the error of my ways. Bull sh@!#+_).
Come and get me. Lesbian and homo is wrong no matter how you try to spin it, Obama. I will not submit, I will not give in, I will not give up!!! Glory be to God. The only true living God, Jehovah all mighty. I love our Lord, and I love the United States of America and if anyone disagrees with me, well they can KISS MY A@#A$>.
Lori Ann Ringold
Proud Army Wife
There is now word out that CFA may have been set up for this. We may need to wait and let the dust settle on this one. For the most part, citizenlink and WND have reports that conflict with what the MSM is claiming.
This is how propagandists work. The accusation does NOT actually have to BE TRUE in order to posit the insinuation.
Because we in the West live by the 24 hour news cycle, which causes us to develop very short attention spans, radical propagandists have figured out that they can actually use that short snippet of time in order to do a PSA blast.
The "blast" is meant to cause controversy and uproar over a particular subject. In this case alleged "hatred towards homosexuals". The idea is to cause a firestorm that reflects negatively on the group that's targeted.
By the time the truth comes out that the "blast" was false, people's interests have moved on to something else. Usually, what that means is that the TRUTH is either buried by the media or ignored altogether.
This happened yesterday with a story that claimed that a Harvard Professor had discovered a papyrus that had claimed to quote Jesus Christ expressing affection for "his wife". the front page news on most websites were GLARING with the words "WAS JESUS CHRIST'S MARRIAGE COVERED UP?" or some close facsimile to that.
Come to find out, 24 hours later, other experts came out and claimed the papyrus was a fake! But that story was buried.
In the scientific field this happens CONSTANTLY! Evolutionists discover a "missing link". News outlets all over the world blast the story out, but a few days/weeks later you'll find out that it was all just a bunch of nothing. There was no "missing link" at all. But by then, it doesn't matter. the news blast served its purpose. To reinforce in people's mind the meme that science trumps faith.
Homosexuals have jumped on this bandwagon as well, because it works. Lies always work for a season, at least until you end up like a Hitler or a Mussolini or a Ceauşescu.
You proved my point! There is NO evidence that he did anything wrong. There was waged a PR war against the man just because! Again, it was all hyped up and he could not take it any more!
He got tired of having to prove his innocence when in fact we use to believe that a person was innocent before proven guilty. Again, he passed every single test even those administered after he retired.
Thanks again, Stage9, for going to the trouble of finding these links for us. Very much appreciated - the targeting of children is what gets my goat the most - especially given that it now has the imprimatur of Western governments. Apalling.
Why did Lance Armstrong give up the fight?
The thing is we just do not know the whole story and it would seem we are stuck with whom to give the benefit of the doubt to, the LGBT crowd or the CFA which has operated under Christian principles since its founding. It sounds from the WND report that the alderman just made stuff up out of thin air causing a ruckus over nothing.
We ought not to forget that the comment was made by a private citizen not the president of the company during the interview. Context is king.
I will lean towards CFA until we have something more concrete out there.
We have to get organized. I'm hoping this so-called "Conservative Conference" occurring after the elections will be the genesis of that.
It is the same way conservatives got snookered for Romeny. We know that the MSM only speaks with the spin it wants and yet we allow them to take us for a ride, over and over again!
I'll try and find those hit lists I refer to below....It's been several years since I've seen them. They're buried somewhere in my catalog of facts...
It's human nature my friend. It's a Burger King slogan: "My way right away." I want the news quick, hold the facts.
And the evidence is in the pudding just look through this thread. We quickly believe the alderman and the MSM than CFA.