***UPDATE: West campaign has no intention of conceding*** Deadline missed in West/Murphy recount

Again this smells incredibly fishy. The St. Lucie County Canvassing Board had until noon today to certify the retabulation results. According to those I’m following, all votes were counted but one card wouldn’t upload results. The Palm Beach Post reports the following:

Campaign officials for Patrick Murphy, Democrat candidate for the congressional district 18 race, are calling their candidate the winner because the St. Lucie Canvassing Board has missed the noon deadline to certify results to the state Division of Elections.

Under Florida law, if the deadline passes with final certified results, the unofficial certified results filed last Sunday stand. Those results show Murphy ahead by .58 percent – above the .5 percent spread which would trigger an automatic recount.

Attorneys for Allen West have been dispatched to the St. Lucie County courthouse for request an emergency hearing on the noon deadline the St. Lucie County canvassing board missed to certify results.

This is a breaking news story and I will keep you updated. Please stay tuned to this post.

UPDATE: Here is the latest from the Palm Beach Post:

The St. Lucie County canvassing board has missed a noon deadline to file election results to the Division of Elections, prompting campaign officials for Patrick Murphy to declare the political newcomer the winner in the race for congressional District 18 race.

Under Florida law, the final certified results were due from all of the state’s 67 supervisors of elections today. If the results do not arrive on time, the certified unofficial results submitted last Sunday stand. Those results have Murphy winning by 0.58 percent. A spread of less than 0.5 percent would have triggered an automatic recount.“Today at noon, it became clear Patrick Murphy will be officially certified as the next congressman from the 18th Congressional District,” Anthony Kusich, Murphy for Congressman campaign manager, said in a prepared statement issued around 12:40 p.m. “The voters have spoken and Patrick Murphy is once again the clear winner. It is beyond time to put this campaign behind us and put the interests of the people of the Treasure Coast and Palm Beaches first.”

“All Patrick Murphy wanted was to follow the law,” said attorney Gerald Richman, a member of Murphy’s legal team. “They absolutely missed it (deadline). Whatever it is, it is. We just want the law to be followed.”

Tim Edson, [West’s] campaign manager, disagreed.

“As usual, Murphy’s people are full of garbage,” Edson said. “This is something the secretary of state and governor will have to sort out.”

Edson said other problems arose this morning. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

“We have concerns here,” Edson said. “The results are raising more questions.”

Shortly after the deadline passed, attorneys for West headed to the St. Lucie County Courthouse to request an emergency hearing on the issue. It is not known if a hearing has been scheduled.

UPDATE 2: The Palm Beach Post continues to update their article. Here is the latest update:

West supporters, upon learning that the deadline was missed, have crowded into the ballot-counting area shouting “Count our vote!” Others have heckled elections officials, blaming them for ending the recount last night at 10 p.m. because the security system in the vacant shopping mall where the ballots are being counted would be triggered if the counting continued.

This is true. Reportedly ln election night this security system wasn’t a problem. But all of a sudden it became an excuse not to stay and finish last night. Just ridiculous.

UPDATE 3: Gary Angelo Galiano, one of the patriots on the ground said this bad card could have been fixed last night if they would have stayed:

It took one and a half hours today once they got started to do what they could’ve done last night and if it’s true the memory card failed it could’ve been fixed last night!!!!!

UPDATE 4: Apparently there is still hope, as Florida Law allows an exemption to the deadline in case of an emergency (via Palm Beach Post update)

Florida law does allow an exemption to the deadline in an emergency and West’s attorney are expected to argue that the exemption applies.

That exemption defines emergency as “any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether accidental, natural, or caused by human beings, in war or in peace, that results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the population or substantial damage to or loss of property to the extent it will prohibit an election officer’s ability to conduct a safe and orderly election.”

UPDATE 5: Palm Beach Post latest update shows that despite preliminary results and the fact that State Board of Election shows Murphy as winner, West isn’t conceding race:

Preliminary numbers released around 2 p.m. by the canvassing board show West, R-Palm Beach Gardens, with 52,704 votes in St. Lucie County and Murphy with 65,841. The state Division of Elections website this afternoon lists Murphy the winner with 50.28 to West’s 49.7 — a spread of 0.58 percent — when the St. Lucie totals are added to those of Martin County and the parts of Palm Beach County that are within District 18.

West’s camp, however, said it has no intention of conceding and that Gov. Rick Scott and Secretary of State Ken Detzner “will have to take a look at these recounts,” West campaign manager Tim Edson said.

Edson said other problems arose this morning, when the recount resumed at 8 a.m. The recount showed 900 voters cast ballots in precinct 93, where there are 7 registered voters, Edson said.

In a prepared statement released around 2 p.m. this afternoon, Edson said: “Today’s actions cast an even greater cloud of suspicion over the results of St. Lucie County than existed before. Consequently, the highly suspect results will be submitted to the Secretary of State today — even though the canvassing board has already admitted they may contain serious errors.

“Once again, Gertrude Walker has proven to be absolutely incapable of executing an accurate and fair election. This election is far from over. We will continue to fight on behalf of all voters in District 18 to ensure a fair and accurate count of their votes.”

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  • Pyrran

    They will try anything, absolutely anything, to keep West from being elected.
    Just shows us what kind of thugs and shysters we’re up against.

    • trueseek1

      Allen West won or the demoncrats would not have tried such a foolish attempt to throw out the results of the recount by holding one ballot from being read so they could say “we missed the deadline” when they had closed down the doors last night to stop the recount!

      • Don

        One thing to remember about the recount. Those in charge have to be extremely careful because if their actions determine fraud the Murphy will be “implicated” abd a federal crime will have been committed. Someone will go to jail. Going slow doesn’t bother me as the truth prevailing. Whichever way the count gores, it will be heavily scrutinized. Someone will go to jail if fraud has been committed.

        • PovrlaChasse

          I hate to say this, but Democrats never ever ‘go to jail’ no matter what crime they commit or how flagrant and obvious their wrong doing is. The justice system in America is to the far Left and the judges protect their own.

          The Dems know this and that is why the have no fear whatsoever of “the Law”. They just don’t care because it doesn’t apply to them.

          • Don

            I understand where you are coming from. We are not talking cowardly RINOs putting their tails between their legs at the first sign of trouble, we are talking about Colonel Allen West. If he concedes, it will be after everything has been exposed one way or the other. The Dims, as you say, know history has allowed them to lie and deceive the American people openly. When you own the mainstream media, that happens. Colonel West is a different kind of leader. He leads with integrity with no compromise on corruption, something Dims don’t have a clue about.

            • trog69

              Unbelievable. So, the blatant registration frauds committed by Nathan Sproul is completely erased from the Republican memory banks, and the amorphous “Dims” are the only ones getting away with voting irregularities and suppression? The fact that the voting process was so messed up in Florida, almost entirely due to Scott’s malfeasance hasn’t penetrated your bubble?

            • white531

              Good comment. Accurate, too. Ask yourself this question. How many Politicians in Washington have the integrity of Allen West?

              • All of them. Allen West is an idiot. He’s proved it every day for the last two years he has been in Congress.

                • white531

                  Well Terry, you seem like a fun person. I don’t know Allen West personally. He lives in Florida, I live in Arizona. Still, he seems to espouse the tenets of Freedom that I believe in. That’s why I believe in his fight against voter fraud.

                  I went to your profile immediately, because I just knew you were someone important. Someone to be respected.
                  Hmmm. One comment on Facebook. Quite frankly, I’m scared.

                  Not scared of your intelligence, because that’s obviously not a problem. I’m scared that people like you have access to a site like Scoop, where intelligent people actually discuss real issues that affect how we all live.

                • Great response.

                • JoJo58

                  Lol so everyone in Washington is an idiot? Hmmmm, if you’re a liberal…um, yeah.

                • Get your facts straight or don’t comment. He is the most powerful conservative republican we have right now. If you can’t get your facts straight, then don’t comment.

              • Allen West is a rare find. They broke the mold when he was born.

          • white531

            You pretty much nailed it.

          • I am inclined to agree…just like Obama and the Clintons and George Soros belong in jail.

        • Emudude

          Al Franken won his seat in Minnesota because all the Prisoners at the Minnesota State Prison submitted the winning amount for him. This was proven to be Voter Fraud, but Al Franken still kept his seat. Tell me again how a Democrat will be Prosecuted for Voter Fraud? Why isn’t Al Franken in Jail?

        • white531

          I understand your comment, but I doubt it.

      • white531

        This charade we are watching unfold, is because both the Democrats and Republicans don’t want someone like Allen West rising to power. He is a threat to both, and they will do anything to destroy his chances.

    • We need a complete recount on the Presidential election as well because all through the swing States numerous reports of fraud have been reported. We can not allow this and we need to insist on a recount.

      • Here is why the GOP will not challenge vote fraud, The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud.http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

        • Susanna958

          I read that, but couldn’t the people challenge it? Or the governors?

        • Susitna

          And what if the voter fraud is not suspected but widely confirmed and obvious? Would there be a way to bring the GOP to fight back? I cannot believe that they have an agreement that says: let’s see who gets away with fraud.
          After 30 years I think that we should superimpose the priority of wanting to save the country from tyranny. And what if some lawyers of the RNLA work for the people and not for the interests of the party? I wish we could do something.

        • But the Tea Party can fight it even if the Republican party will not. I have heard they are waiting on the Allen West results. Contact your Tea Party and let your voice be heard. The Tea Party is the only thing that is attempting to stop Obama.

          • Don

            Great point, Linda. The republican RINOs are now the third party. If you cannot win against the most corrupt and incompetent president in our country’s history, why would you ever be relevant again?

        • white531

          Then why are you and I still a part of the Republican Party? The Tea Party has to become a political party, that is separate and distinct, from the Republican Party.

        • pdxlady

          Great link Lorie, thank you.

          I didn’t know about this ‘Consent Decree’ from 1981, and our unsuccessful attempts to have it appealed, “to vacate or modify,” until I read this. So, this is the reason “Why the GOP won’t challenge vote fraud.” http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

          I cannot believe how incredibly stupid the GOP was in consenting to this in the first place; and this under Reagan.

      • Susanna958

        The thing is, form what I read, two can play the past deadline game. If 1/3 of electorate don’t vote in Dec. then Congress picks the next President.

      • It is very apparent that we are now a banana republic, though republic is no longer true either, more like a communist dictatorship. Welcome to the United Socialist States of America

        • BlueGood

          Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe comes to mind….GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….

          Bloody Disgusting Liberals….

          KEEP AT IT MR. WEST!

        • white531

          You get it, Dale. There will be no recount. The voter fraud that re-elected this madman was so over the top, as to be not worth comment.

          To use your own words, “Welcome to the United Socialist States of America.”

      • The problem with a recount is that it would not address the issue of people voting using other peoples’ names or voting multiple times in different states. What we really need is for the election to be tossed out and redone.

    • If West was a Democrat they’d be screaming “RACISTS!!”

  • KenInMontana

    Last I checked, it was not up to the candidates to declare winners and losers in elections.

    • I don’t think it was an official declaration…more like poking a finger in West’s eye or something.

      • sjmom

        They may think they are poking a finger in West’s eye but cheating is really poking a finger in God’s eye. Amen.

    • marketcomp

      That’s right, KenInMontana!

    • colliemum

      It is if the candidate is a dem!


  • For someone like me, watching this from afar, Missouri, what are the sources, other than Right Scoop, that are the most reliable and up to date?

  • marketcomp

    This is just a desperate attempt on Murphy part! Until the board certifies the results that little punk Murphy can declare victory all he wants. In fact he can continue to decieve himself and play congressmen for a while and declare victory for an hour. I mean do the people in the 18th district really want this lunatic as their congressmen. If Murphy wins and I were in that distict I would file a petition for incompetence and misleading of character on behalf of the people. Murphy is a psychopath!

  • I don’t see them reporting on the precinct that had only 9 registered voters but 900 votes, I suppose Florida Lib papers don’t care about voter fraud

    • Precinct 93, and they only had 7 voters. Sickening, isn’t it?

      • wesmorgan1

        Hmmm…even the original unofficial results from St. Lucie County show only six people voting in Precinct 93. Romney carried it 4-2, and Murphy tied with West at 3 each.

        PDF here: http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/rescan/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf

        This smells like desperation on West’s part.

        The whole “voter fraud” myth has been thoroughly debunked in this case. First, it was the “turnout larger than 100%!” that everyone was frothing over, but that turned out to be froth from people who simply didn’t understand the relationship between “cards cast” and “number of voters.” Then, it was recanvassing and screamign about non-existent “fraud” – and the numbers still didn’t merit an official recount. Then it was “early voting was messed up – FRAUD!”, and even though the board recounted ALL early votes, it still wasn’t sufficient to trigger a full recount. Now, it’s a precinct that has suddenly spat out 900 votes for 7 registered voters, but a 2-minute glance at the unofficial results shows us the fallacy of that suggestion.

        • DizzyMissL

          Sounds like fraud to me if it was right then and wrong now.

        • sjmom

          Nothing has been “debunked” yet.

          • wesmorgan1

            Oh, really? How about all those articles crying about “141% voter turnout – it’s FRAUD!” when the unofficial results were released?

            Seriously, go search for that subject and read all the foaming at the mouth from people who have no idea whatsoever how Florida balloting and balloting software work.

            Trust me – that one was debunked and debunked quickly – why do you think you haven’t heard anything else about it since the day after the election? Don’t you think West’s legal team would be absolutely SCREAMING about 141% turnout of registered voters?

            • opinionatedhermit

              Please, tell us how Florida balloting software works. As a developer, I am all ears…

              For example, why is it that they can’t figure out how to manage a simple security system in their own official building? You know. To make sure they can actually carry out the promises they made to the people of Florida?

              Because, evidently, in the genius world of the Florida balloting software community, they can do everything … except, keep their promises and count the damn votes……

              • wesmorgan1

                1) The answer to the “more than 100% voter turnout” question is very simple. Florida ballots are treated as “cards,” with each page of the ballot represented by one “card.” Thus, a two-page ballot is two “cards,” a 3-page ballot would be four “cards,” et cetera.

                Many Florida counties had 2-page ballots this time around, not just St. Lucie County. All the Federal and State races are at the top of the ballot (i.e. on the first page, or first “card”), and the bottom of the ballot (the second page or second “card”) had all the county/city/local races, proposed amendments, etc. So, a voter who completed the full ballot would cast one ballot, but two “cards.”

                Now, here’s the coding glitch. The reporting software (GEMS) divides the number of “cards cast” by the number of REGISTERED voters to determine turnout; however, the code assumes a one-page (“one card cast”) ballot. So, the unofficial report from St. Lucie County on 11/11 reads, in part:

                “Registered Voters 175554 – Cards Cast 247383 140.92%”

                In other words, the code didn’t divide “cards cast” by two, as it should have; if you look at the race with the most votes cast (President), you get 123750 voters / 175554 registered voters, which equals 70.5% turnout.

                (Source: http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/rescan/GEMS%20ELECTION%20SUMMARY%20REPORT.pdf )

                So, the next question is “why was an odd number of cards cast, if every ballot was two cards?” The answer is simple; some voters didn’t turn in both cards. This is their right; I have been a poll worker in the past, and I have seen people walk in, vote for a handful of races (or only one!) and leave the rest of their ballot blank. It has already been reported that quite a few mailed ballots did not include the second card. How many people did this? Again, we can look at the race with the most votes submitted (President) and do the math for a decent guess:

                123750 voters * 2 “cards” (pages) = 247500 possible “cards cast”
                247500 possible cards – 247383 actual cards = 117 cards not cast

                So, our best guess is that 117 voters only submitted one page of their ballot. (I say ‘best guess’ because it’s possible that some voter(s) submitted only the second page of their ballot, but we have no way of seeing that from the outside looking in…)

                There’s your answer to the “141% turnout” question. The funny thing is that many other FL counties (but not all) put a note on their Election Night reports, or on their websites, explaining this. You’d think that every single county (and the state Department of Elections) would have done the same thing to avoid this kind of frothing and foaming. St. Lucie County didn’t at first, but now has an explanation on their website.

                • opinionatedhermit


                  Trust us. We understand completely the inability for Obama drones to follow a simple train of thought.

                  More to the point: Next time, spend your time actually answering the question.

                  Get it?

                • Yes, you stay in your anti-math/anti-science/anti-facts world. It’s working out FANTASTIC for those of us in the REAL WORLD. The Left says THANK YOU.

                • opinionatedhermit

                  In the “REAL WORLD” I’m pretty sure that before you get to math and science … you need better than a bunch of Stupid – Left Wing, “Guvment lovin’ Drones – who can’t figure out a simple security system in their own building…

                  I am laughing at you…..

                • wesmorgan1

                  When your reply started with “Please, tell us how Florida balloting software works. As a developer, I am all ears…” any reasonable person would have assumed that you were requesting an explanation. I’m sorry that your own words did not (apparently) mean what you intended.

                  My “faux ballot counting knowledge” comes straight from the Florida Board of Elections and the various county election chiefs – including counties whose results are uncontroversial/uncontested. (Go look at the report for Taylor County if you want an example from outside this Congressional district; they clearly indicated that the inflated turnout numbers were a result of the two-page/two-card ballot.)

                  As far as the “security system in their own official building” is concerned, you might want to, well, check your facts. Numerous media reports have explained this, including the Palm Beach Post:

                  “St. Lucie Canvassing Board member Tod Mowery told observers that they would have to clear out of the deserted shopping mall where the ballots were being counted because the mall’s security system would be triggered after 10:30 p.m.”

                  Because of the number of people involved, including lawyers and observers from both sides, the canvassing board set up shop in a DESERTED SHOPPING MALL for the recount. That isn’t “their own official building,” and they didn’t have control of the building’s security system.

                • opinionatedhermit

                  That isn’t “their own official building,”

                  I really don’t care how many elections you have worked. You are a fraud. And, I can prove it.

                  Riddle me this clown boy: If this isn’t an official office, why the hell didn’t they just count the damn votes somewhere else?

                  Get it?

                • This is a distraction, and has nothing to do with my original point of there being 900 (!!!) recount votes in precinct 93, where even you admit there are only 7 registered voters, as shown by the earlier reports.

            • sjmom

              Florida balloting……….what a laugh! Florida is known for its ineptitude when it comes to ballots. As stated, nothing has been debunked yet.

              Question: does the DNC pay you or are you a volunteer?????

            • Rshill7

              I haven’t heard how a county or precinct has more votes than there are registered voters. I’d love to hear that explained. No one has been able to. I’ve asked all over the place. Please explain it.

        • Rshill7

          You don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • wesmorgan1

            You’re just so CUTE when you display that kind of rapier wit.

            Seriously, though, you DO realize how many times these counts have already been performed, right? I guess not…

            By the way, the latest report is that they DID complete the recount – and that Murphy added 292 votes to his lead.


            The only reference for the “900 votes in a precinct with 7 registered voters” story is West’s campaign manager, and he provided no evidence whatsoever.

            You know what? My first statement was incorrect – it would take two of you to make a wit.

            • Rshill7

              What I’m having here though is a battle of wits with an unarmed doofus.


              They are missing you back at the sty. I can hear them squealing for you from here. One of them might take your spot at the trough too, ugly.

              P.S. No, they missed the deadline due to a memory card glitch. You still don’t know what you’re talking about. The Secretary of State has to certify by Tuesday. Today is not Tuesday. But since every day is probably April Fool’s Day for you, feel free to do what you do, i.e. demonstrating what an Obama sycophant you are.

              I’ll tell ya’ what though, I’ll hug my elephant and you can kiss your ass.

              • wesmorgan1

                Something a little more recent for you – http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20121118/APN/1211180622?p=1&tc=pg

                West has already received more than he was entitled to under state law; even though a judge denied his formal request for the early voting recount, the county board gave it to him anyway. That recount, completed today (albeit not, apparently, in time to file its results with the state), actually increased Murphy’s lead by 274 votes. Now, there is nothing to be done in/by St. Lucie County unless the state government gives them an “emergency extension” to do another recount. The requirement for such an extension is fairly stringent, however, as this very blog reported above:

                “Florida law does allow an exemption to the deadline in an emergency and West’s attorney are expected to argue that the exemption applies.

                That exemption defines emergency as “any occurrence, or threat thereof, whether accidental, natural, or caused by human beings, in war or in peace, that results or may result in substantial injury or harm to the population or substantial damage to or loss of property to the extent it will prohibit an election officer’s ability to conduct a safe and orderly election.”

                I don’t think that this qualifies as an “emergency” for purposes of that law.

                So, assuming that the state doesn’t issue an emergency extension, the next legal recourse for West is to contest the election. The Florida statue covering contest of elections may be read at http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_102-168 – but note that a contest can’t be filed until the results are certified.

                • Rshill7

                  Sure it does. You read the definition of emergency in the law I assume, yet you still didn’t comprehend it. Read it again…for comprehension this time.

                  Murphy didn’t gain any votes today. They reverted to the previous count. You still don’t know what you’re talking about.

        • badbadlibs

          Why on God’s green earth would you want a know nothing, cheating, liar like Murphy to be a Rep.?
          You want desperation? The only way the cheating small minded democrats (and that’s Lt. Col. West to you) could even hope to defeat this patriot was redistricting.

          • wesmorgan1

            Actually, the proper abbreviation is LTC West, if you want to be picky.

            I’ll call him whatever I please, thank you very much; I’m no longer subject to the UCMJ (but West, if he’s drawing retirement pay, IS subject to the UCMJ), so I’m free to call him a former officer who violated military law, was relieved of his command, and was allowed to leave the service with an Article 15 instead of a court martial. Unlike your random characterizations of Murphy, everything I’ve just written is well-documented fact.

            • badbadlibs

              You are a very desperate person. You can call yourself the queen of England, and I couldn’t possibly know it to be a fact or not.
              But, since you’re from the left which is a bastion of liars, I don’t believe a thing you say about your so called service.
              Like I said, the desperation is from the party of liars, cheats and anti American sentiment. The only way you people stood a chance of defeating this fine patriot was to redistrict.
              You people will stoop as low as necessary, forming new levels of low if needed.

              • wesmorgan1

                So, in other words, you have no response to the following facts:

                1) West allowed a detainee to be beaten.
                2) Though neither trained nor assigned as an interrogator, West decided to interrogate a detainee
                3) West conducted a mock execution against the detainee
                4) West was relieved of his command
                5) West received an Article 15 in lieu of court martial
                6) West then chose to retire

                Later interviews with West also indicate that:

                7) No weapons or ambush plans were found as a result of the interrogation and torture.
                8) West himself told the media that “it’s possible I was wrong about” the detainee.

                You can attack me to your heart’s content, if that makes you feel better, but you can’t attack these facts as stated by West himself during (and after) the Army investigation of his actions.

                • poljunkie

                  Did you serve?

                  Were you in a war time scenario?

                • tinlizzieowner

                  I’m still waiting for an answer to that question too. 😉

                • toongoon

                  West is no longer in the military. You want to keep beating on him for that, meanwhile protecting a Commander in Chief who watched four American soldiers before he went to bed. What West did is in the past, we’ve got serious problems now.

                  Typical liberal, never talk about the problems we have now, always redirect and put people on the defensive.

                • poljunkie

                  Well said toogoon.

                  YES Mr Wes Morgan1-wheres your outrage over the CIC?

                • Emudude

                  Your Hero Obama allowed the Libyan Ambassador, his aid and 2 U.S. Navy Seals to die even though they were begging for help. He watched a Live Feed of it happening. The On Site Commanders (Army and Navy) sent help, but were told to stand down. When the Commanders tried to help anyway, they were relieved of Command and sent away to only God and Obama know where. He then Lied to the American People about it, and went to Las Vegas for a Fundraiser immediately afterward. Cold Hearted Bastard. I think that is way worse than what LTC West did.

                • You Sir are such a liberal whiner. Mr.West was doing his job. Yes, war is hell, and if you cant stomach the things that need to be done in wartime- maybe you should go put on your big girl panties and shut up!!!

                • white531

                  If I were facing a desperate situation, and my life was in the balance, and I looked around for someone to come to my aid, you would be the last person I would look to. Colonel Allen West, would be the first.

                • KenInMontana

                  Apparently you have no concept of exactly what an Article 15 is and how it is conducted. LTC West faced the Possibility of a Courts Martial, however his Commanding General issued an Article 15 (Non-Judicial Punishment) and withheld pay in the amount of $5,000 (2 months pay). West was already set to retire before the charges were ever specified, he had, directly after the incident in question, presented himself to his CO and surrendered himself to whatever punishment his CO decided he had coming. His CO told him to return to his unit.

                  There were no further Ambushes in his unit’s sector during the remainder of his tour.

                • wesmorgan1

                  Actually, MG Odierno chose to proceed with an Article 15 after an Article 32 evidentiary hearing. West was NOT “told to return to his unit” after that hearing. He was assigned to the rear detachment of 4th ID while his retirement papers were processed.

                  West admitted wrongdoing in the Article 32 hearing.

                • jondos

                  Your worried about the rights of detainees in other countries? I am worried about 2 American citizens being assassinated by the United States President. They weren’t beaten, or threatened, or given the opportunity to give information in return for their lives. In fact, they weren’t asked anything at all. They were put on a Presidential KILL LIST, and killed. No mess, no fuss. Now there are stark comparisons here in how to treat the enemy, aren’t there? Allen West and Obama both dealing with terrorists, in West’s case, NOBODY dies, and in Obama’s case, 2 people die. West is dealing with foreign terrorists, with no American Constitutional protections, but granted, protected by war agreements. Obama, dealing with 2 American citizens, one a 16 year old boy, and BOTH PROTECTED BY THE US CONSTITUTION! Gee, who seemed to handle the situation better?

                • badbadlibs

                  I don’t know if your sorry rear end has been banned, but in case it hasn’t, just yet.

                  I’ve read his history many times, your facts are as usual, coming from the left tainted, changed and become a down right lie.

                  LTC. West is an honorable man, you are not worthy to lick his boots.
                  Your filthy party will destroy America and eventually your wicked ideology will destroy this world.
                  I have a safe haven, but I’m mad as the hell you’ll be a part of for your people to have destroyed the greatest nation on this earth.
                  Shame on YOU, yours and your filthy democrat party.
                  Now scram….you sicken and tire me.

                • wesmorgan1

                  No, I don’t think I’ve been banned…

                  I find it fascinating that I quote West himself, as well as his sworn CID statement, only to be told that the “facts are…tainted, changed and become a down right lie.”

                  If you have problems with West’s own words, the problem is not on my end.

            • Rshill7

              Great soldier, operating under stupid rules? Yeah, I’ll buy that. Islamists interrogate by cutting your head off fairly slowly. They tend to saw back and forth several times before the head comes completely off. They rape too, men and women, even after their dead.

              Oh, and don’t forget that motivational dragging dead through the street thing they seem to enjoy. Don’t you think it’s cool how they kill their own daughters, wives and each other too. I’d like to pound the living hell out of one or two of them myself.

              That stoning thing they still do rocks huh?

              I’d ere if at all on the side of my men too. In fact, to sacrifice like that for your men, seems very admirable to me. I can understand the jealousy you might have. I’m jealous too, but in a very respectful way.

              Jesus was charged with treason. West was not. So, he has a cleaner government record that He, even though Jesus was the perfect archetype. I’m just saying your allegations are outta whack bullshit, designed for the consumption of other Borg robots.

              • wesmorgan1

                So, the rules don’t apply to “great soldiers”? An interesting view – do YOU want to serve under an officer who thinks the rules don’t apply to them?

                • toongoon

                  I don’t want to governed by a president and his unelected czars who think the rules don’t apply to them.

                • wesmorgan1

                  Where “czars” are concerned, I trust that you had the same opinion/reaction to the 33 “czars” appointed under the previous President.

                • toongoon

                  YES I DID. How about you?

                • wesmorgan1

                  First, I’m actually glad to see that you also objected to “czars” in the Bush Administration. All too often, people only hold negative opinions on things when the “other side” does them; I appreciate your consistency.

                  I, too, have been consistent on the issue, but on the other side of the equation. I understand the need for “czars” when Congress has divided enforcement of the law and/or regulations under the law among so many agencies. (Take a look at the typical legislation creating new responsibilities for the Exectuive Branch; they almost always include a clause along the lines of, “The Department of [insert agency name] will have responsibility for promulgating regulations under this statute.” Given that, there has to be some means of cooridinating efforts among the various Executive Branch agencies to which Congress assigns responsibility for various “pieces” of any particular subject.

                  So, I consider them something of a necessary evil. They don’t issue regulations on their own; that has to go through the process dictated by Congress and come from the agencies dictated by Congress, so the process is still in place.

                  Long story short – I didn’t get worked up about them under Bush (or his predecessors, either; heck, they’ve been around since FDR, and (I think) Kennedy was the only President not to have at least one “czar”), and I don’t get worked up about them under Obama.

                • tinlizzieowner

                  I want to (and have served under) soldiers who think winning is the main concern.
                  If Patton had ‘followed the rules’ the Brits would be speaking German right now.

            • This makes me so mad! Yes, LTC West was relieved of his command because he choose not to follow an unlawful order (akin to the 2 seal’s not following Obama’s order to stand down and let the ambassador die!) He is such an honorable leader that I would gladly grab my rifle and follow him anywhere; Which Demcommiecrat do you have that inspires that kind of loyalty?

          • poljunkie

            Badbad, Dont forget 52%(?) voted for Obama.

            I. STILL. CAN’T. BELIEVE. IT.

            • tinlizzieowner

              I still don’t.

        • This isn’t Huffington Post, buddy, you’re on the wrong website . . .

        • THAT is the point. How do you suddenly have 900 votes in a precinct that only has, even by your own admission agrees with the previously posted number, seven registered voters?

          It has nothing to do with the machine reporting of over 100% on the 2 for 1 voter ballots, which I have been pointing out to others is a wrong assertion, TYVM. This is a completely different issue, unique to the recount.

  • I wish Allen West all the best, but I don’t think he’s going to make it. The corrupt Democratic forces lined up against him seem too overwhelming and I don’t think he can do it on his own. Congress is going to lose a fine conservative voice and shame on the Republican party for not giving this man more support during the election. Just another reason to start thinking about a new conservative third party.

    • colliemum

      At this point in time, it isn’t just about Allen West making it: it is even more about showing up the dems and their lying, cheating machine for what they are, and for what they do: screaming about voter suppression while doing it on an industrial scale.

      And yes, it is also about showing up the GOPe for what they are: spineless toads who happily sacrifice a true conservative just so they can get along with their dem overlords.

      • Patriot077

        Spot on! My thoughts also, but you express them so succinctly! 🙂

        • colliemum

          Thanks – I suppose I could’ve gone with:



          • Patriot077

            Hear, hear!

            I actually did use bad language when I read it!

            • colliemum

              There’s nothing like creative (hidden) swearing on the interwebbie!


          • Now you sound like me.

          • opinionatedhermit

            We call that kind of language “dog whistle” where I come from…


            • colliemum

              … some dogs need to be whistled ….


      • StrangernFiction

        The almost total support for the feckless (at best) John Boehner makes it obvious to the wise and careful observer that the GOP should be abandoned by those who want liberty.

        • ladyjk

          It is time for Boehner to be gone. We need a “real” man in the job. Maybe a Bachmann, a Ryan, or the young fellow from Utah. These people would fight for what is right.

          • I’d definitly go with Michele Bachmann… especially since she’s not giving up on Benghazi!!!

            • las1

              I’ll jump in right here ABiC. I’m definitely fuming right now… standing by and growling on this side of the border, even reading some of the “drive-by” comments like those from that so-called veteran named wesmorgan1. If he ever really served in the military, I sure bet he spent a lot of time eating at a table all by his little lonesome. I’m sure West’s company men would eat the little creep as an h’orderve.

              All of this definitely reminds me of Nathaniel Grigsby, Lincoln’s childhood friend and brother-in-law. I know I pull him out on a regular basis to remind everyone of the true nature of Democrats.

              The fetid stink of the Democrat Party is wafting north here… the exact same extremist language and demagoguery has infected the Liberal and New Democrat parties in Canada against the Conservatives. And bogus charges of voter-fraud against Conservatives by these frauds here show where the real voter-fraud originates. They are being sued by a communications firm from Alberta or BC who is not taking it laying down that he engaged in robo-call vote fraud. The only language these liberals understand is litigation. I say give it to them.

              Projection… thy name is Democrat.

              • Patriot077

                I love this epitaph, las1, and must have missed it in your earlier postings! What a gift for an old Calvalry man to leave the world with …

              • wesmorgan1

                I continue to be amazed by the number of people who consider a personal attack against a speaker to be a rebuttal of stated facts.

                • tinlizzieowner

                  I take it you don’t spend much time on the lib sites, do you. 😉 😉

                • Rshill7

                  Really? Yet that is precisely what you tried to do to Allen West.

                • las1

                  Rshill… My response below…

                • las1

                  And I continue to be amazed at the selective dishonesty and double standards that Democrats, such as yourself, apply to their political enemies; standards you would never apply to your side of the political spectrum. If West was a Democrat, you would put him up on the stage with other Democrat bright lights like Sharpton and Jackson. So while you are undoubtedly correct, a personal attack is no rebuttal, let’s rebut the absorbed fallacies and contradictions that typify most Democrats about their messiah Obama.

                  You accuse Allen West of desperation, and rage against him for his past military conduct, yet hypocritically endorse an Obama and the Democrat Party machine. There are ten worlds of difference between the man, Obama, and the party you chose, and the conservative Allen West. To every Democrat’s inability to recognize reality, and to their shame, the pathological makeup and fibre of the two men stand in stark contrast.

                  Do you really want to examine the river barge of malfeasance and tricks… the rickety cartload of far-left baggery of your hero Barrack Hussein Obama starting with his fuzzy untouchable history. Do you really want to examine his authentically extremist acquaintances; his fake and half fictional self hagiography “Dreams From My Father”; his on-again off-again race baiting; his class warfare and dividing of America; his Muslim Brotherhood connections imported into the White House and his undermining of America’s very political, economic and social fibre; his veiled calls for Shariah compliance in the UN; his suppression of the military vote; his almost certain complicity in the butchery in Bengazi; his lies and phoney apology to Islam about a YouTube film. Do you want more? Would you like to go there and compare that to the consistency and morality of Allen West; things you and your fellow travelers call extremism. Do you really want to go there?

                  Oh… and P.S. I sincerely doubt your views about West, and politics in general, have any traction with your military comrades.

                  Please sir… go back to HuffPo or join the rabble at TCPalm.

                • Rshill7

                  Very nice friend. Well done!

                • las1

                  They just simply can’t defend an Obama. While individual candidates have foibles and the race between Murphy and West was rancorous, with $5M Soros money pumped into the “Dump West” SuperPac, West was targeted and the narrative constructed according to Democrat Demagoguery.

                  West himself said it’s about the vote. I’m kinda flummoxed that Murphy would see a .08 pecentage point as a huge margin, but technically giving him a win, he could walk away the winner. Sure nobody argues that. What is argued however are the inconsistencies and mistakes of Walker’s tenure… as a dutiful Democrat Party supporter… no less. Makes you question how these not-so-crypto-partisans attach themselves to these jobs. (no answer necessary). Anyway whoever sees a 2,000 vote lead at the end of election night suddenly sees it in one second disappear into a negative 2,500 for the opposition, would definitely have questions. If it happened to Murphy, he would be right to call foul, or at least question it…and I would support him.

                  But when there are obvious problems in the district screaming for investigation… then it’s “West’s a sore loser”. I think if I was a conscientious candidate I would say… OK go ahead and recount… in fact I would give it a further push… let’s be certain West also didn’t try to rig the vote. Let’s get a right count! That should be Murphy’s stance, but it’s not. It’s, “I won loser… get out of the way.. no need for no stinkin’ recount. THE MAJORITY [sic] HAS SPOKEN.”

                  Yup… it sure has spoken with a little help… imho… but we’ll see.

    • wesmorgan1

      Speaking as a veteran, no officer who takes an Article 15 to avoid a court martial and leaves the military under that kind of cloud after being relieved of command should EVER brag about his service as West has done. Allowing a detainee to be beaten and staging a mock execution are NOT acceptable behavior for those who would be our military leaders.

      Such behavior casts doubts on West’s moral integrity, which only suffered further from his McCarthy-esque personal attacks on his political opponents. A guy who says that a member of the opposition “really does represent the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was established” isn’t a “fine conservative voice” – he’s a blowhard.

      After all that, is it really that difficult to believe that a majority of persons in the district might actually think that West is unsuitable? In a Presidential election year with high turnout, Obama took this county by 8%; coattails alone would have been more than sufficient to unseat West.

      This smells of desperation.

      • You are smelling something, it’s your desperation. How you feel Veteran about the Commander-in-Chief lying, abetting and aiding the enemy while your former Vets and current Military suffer from this President?

        • Rshill7

          Regardless of what he is or was, he has demonstrated today that he is also an imbecile.

          • las1

            Read my short missive above to AbiC about this so-called vet. I’m sure he has lots of friends in the military.

        • wesmorgan1

          By all means, feel free to provide evidence (and I don’t mean “links to blogs that say so”) for your accusations. I’m guessing that you don’t really have anything, but I’m willing to read whatever references you might be able to provide.

          • Speaking as a veteran myself…you are probably right as for as the “rules” are concerned. Since the two SEAL’s in who died trying to save the ambassador also disobeyed a direct order, ARE YOU ALSO IN FAVOR OF COURT-MARSHALLING THEM?

      • MissSterious

        Wes what was your MOS and when did you serve?

      • Patriot077

        Your allegations of Allen West’s “behavior” do not comport with the testimony of men who served with him at the time. Take your scurilous comments somewhere else.

        • wesmorgan1

          My “allegations” are facts, taken directly from West’s own descriptions of the events in question, as well as those of other soldiers involved. You can read their statements (names redacted) in the Army CID report -> http://www.aclu.org/files/projects/foiasearch/pdf/DODDOACID000105.pdf

          He’s also on record (talk shows and such) as saying that he would do the exact same things again, if he felt that the situation warranted such.

          How is it “scurrilous” if it’s what West himself said in a sworn statement?

          • Patriot077

            You can call it whatever you want. I don’t know much about the USMJ but did read the report you referenced. It doesn’t seem to support anything approaching court martial for any of the military personnel.

            Regardless, I commend him for saving the lives of his unit. He did what was necessary to obtain information, in war, to protect his men from an IED.

            Perhaps you agree with the new “rules of engagement” that require our troops to be sitting ducks in the shooting gallery. I don’t.

            • wesmorgan1

              So, you think that the two investigating officers who found probable cause for the charges against West just made it up? Furthermore, you think that the command authority–that general officer who signed off on West’s Article 15–just decided to punish West at random, effectively ending his career?

              See, that’s the thing – if you think he got a raw deal, you must also accuse other soldiers (including commanders at the brigade or division level) of giving him that raw deal. This wasn’t some civilian court levying punishment on a soldier, but rather his fellow soldiers handing out the punishment.

              As the media noted later, there is no evidence that the results of that torture/interrogation did anything to save the lives of West’s soldiers; one man was later detained and his property searched, but no weapons or ambush plans were found. West himself said, “it’s possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.”

              There’s a reason we don’t torture, and it goes back to the Founding Fathers:

              “Should any American soldier be so base and infamous as to injure any [prisoner]. . . I do most earnestly enjoin you to bring him to such severe and exemplary punishment as the enormity of the crime may require. Should it extend to death itself, it will not be disproportional to its guilt at such a time and in such a cause… for by such conduct they bring shame, disgrace and ruin to themselves and their country.” – George Washington, charge to the Northern Expeditionary Force, Sept. 14, 1775

              • Patriot077

                You are inferring conclusions that I did not draw. Nothing in the report referred to court martial. I didn’t say he got a raw deal either. I happen to believe war is hell and men sometimes have to do what needs doing.

                I’m not going to debate torture with you. Especially when I know what the barbarians on the other side do to our men, especially since these stupid rules of engagement have been implemented.

                I doubt that anyone who has lost a loved one to the damnable blue on green incidents would express any disagreement with me. I’ve also read the testimony of KSM who advises that terrorists won’t spill any beans until they have been “tortured” enough that their religion will absolve them for talking.

                I am done with this conversation. Enjoy your own opinion, but be assured I continue to believe Lt. Col. Allen West is an honorable man of courage and conviction.

                You might enjoy reading up on the founders as they became educated about the threat of the Mohammedans which lead up to the Barbary Coast pirates being trounced. It happened a few years after the 1775 snippet you included in your post.

                • Emudude

                  Since you brought up the Barbary Coast Incident; Obama brought Thomas Jefferson’s Original Copy of the Qur’an (from the Library of Congress) to the 2012 Ramadan White House Diner and told the Muslims there that Since Thomas Jefferson owned a Copy of the Qur’an, that means he supported Islam. Obama actually told them this. His View of History is really warped.

                • Patriot077

                  That horrified me too! Of course it’s just one more big lie coming out of that pathological mouth of his. The founders actually wanted to print (and may have) many copies of it so that people could read it and understand what a horror of deceit that ideology was. Jefferson wanted to keep the copy of the koran to understand the “hostile nature” of Islam.

                  John Quincy Adams wrote “such is the spirit, which governs the hearts of men, to whom treachery and violence are taught as principles of religion.” (This is quoted by Geert Wilders in his book “Marked for Death”).

                  Apparently JQ Adams wrote several essays about the violence and subjugation of the Mohammedans. I intend to go back and read the real opinions held by our forefathers who were no slouches when it came to world history … something most politicians are very lacking in today.

      • Rshill7

        Something else smells of crap. That might be you. Not sure though. What you’ve written here twice so far in this thread is 100% crap. Maybe that’s it.

        Perhaps you are confusing veteran with veterinarian with regards to what you are?
        Try spell-check, “sir”.

      • Conservator1

        Did West’s action in Iraq, which you deplore so much, save the lives of Americans under his command? Yes they did, thus what would you done if you had a prisoner who knew where the IED’s were on a road you needed to pass? – perhaps give him some food, clean clothes and cell while those you command are killed or maimed for life? As a veteran, you certainly don’t seem to care much about your fellow vets pal.

        • badbadlibs

          He’s a liberal. I would have to see documentation stating he is a vet and with LTC. West’s approval of said documentation.

        • wesmorgan1

          If we torture, we become that which we oppose. It’s really that simple for me. There’s a reason that we signed the Geneva Convention, as well as the Convention Against Torture. Now, you’re certainly welcome to disagree with me on that point, but that doesn’t make either of us less of an American. The simple fact is that West swore an oath to obey the law and the orders of those appointed over him, then decided that the rules didn’t matter when he had a chance to play interrogator (a job for which he was completely untrained).

          For the record, the “information” West extracted via beatings and mock execution did NOT “save the lives of Americans under his command.” As reported way back in 2004 (you can read it at http://www.webcitation.org/5uL7JlWF8 ): “According to the interpreter, Mr. Hamoodi finally ”admitted there would be attacks, and called out names.” Mr. Hamoodi said that he was not sure what he told the Americans, but that it was meaningless information induced by fear and pain.

          At least one man named by Mr. Hamoodi was taken into custody, according to testimony, and his home was searched. No plans for attacks on Americans or weapons were found. Colonel West testified that he did not know whether ”any corroboration” of a plot was ever found, adding: ”At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It’s possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.”

          Did you catch that? No plans, no weapons, and not even West could say that anything ever came of his detainee abuse. “It’s possible that I was wrong…”

          • Rshill7

            You stake your belief on a guy named Mr. Hamoodi. Most of us would prefer Allen West.

            While you’re at it please tell us how you are pulling for the “Palestinians” over Israel too, Marxism over Capitalism, Atheism over Christianity, foolishness over wisdom, and how you prefer our company to that of your own idiotic ilk.

            Let me translate that for you: Oink.

            • wesmorgan1

              No, I stake my belief on West’s own statement to CID, the CID findings of probable cause, and the decision of West’s command authority (at brigade or division level, at a minimum) to issue an Article 15 in the matter.

              Even West, himself, later said, “it’s possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi.”

              If you can’t deal with the factual information I’ve provided–including West’s own statement to investigators and his later “it’s possible that I was wrong” quote–the problem isn’t on this end.

          • toongoon

            I would beat an American to an inch of his life if he had information that would save a friends life. You might think that is ok for some idiot to laugh in my face as my friend is being tortured or murdered and I should sit there and take it. Geneva Convention or not, the enemy does not have more rights than I do.

          • I hope and pray to JESUS that you Mr. Morgan, never have to defend this country. Because I do not believe you could, or that any soldier would follow you!

          • Conservator1

            You may call it torture like the military prosecutors who accused West of being guilty of it. However after West’s military hearing, he was fined only $5,000 and he maintained his eligibility for retirement with pension – hardly a verdict for a man guilty of torture.

            Also, Major General Odierno, the 4th Infantry’s top general in Tikrit, could have rejected the verdict and ordered a court martial of West where he could have received a sentence of 11 years in prison. The General rejected to take any further actions against West.

            In addition, according to CNN, “…apparently not knowing where West’s gun was aimed, Hamoody cracked and gave information about the planned ambush on West’s convoy, thwarting the attack.


            BTW, I see you posted a link from Wikipedia — http://www.webcitation.org/5uL7JlWF8 — but I knew Deborah Sontag as a NYT’s journalist who had a very diverse career. She passed away about 7 months after writing that article. If your interested, below is the link:

            THE STRUGGLE FOR IRAQ: INTERROGATIONS; How Colonel Risked His Career By Menacing Detainee and Lost

            Lastly since we both use Wikipedia, here are some links about Sontag who’s was a left-wing extremist:


            In 1968, Sontag signed the “Writers and Editors War Tax Protest” pledge, vowing to refuse tax payments in protest against the Vietnam War…”



            Sontag drew criticism for writing in the 1967 Partisan Review that:

            “Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Balanchine ballets, et al. don’t redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history…”


            People are entitled to their opinions, but I would never rely upon a person like Deborah Sontag on news coverage of the military and those who serve.

            • wesmorgan1

              I agree – I only cited Sontag’s article because it included quotes directly from West, which (to my knowledge) he has never rebutted or challenged.

              That’s why I also provided the transcripts of West’s own sworn statement to the Army CID investigators. I don’t think we can argue “liberal bias” on that source.

              You can’t single-source anything – everyone has their biases. To me, the most telling points were West’s sworn statement and the direct quotes from him; those are his own words.

      • badbadlibs

        You’re talking about this man’s “Moral integrity” as if his is tainted???? That’s rich! Really, coming from a party who has abandoned any decent moral stances.
        The democrat party is filthy with “moral free” people and the platform itself is like reading a manifesto on how to reject morality or any decent code of conduct.
        Your leader, the intruder in the WH has cornered the market on how to be a liar and yet still rise to the highest office in the land. And for this you’re proud?
        Bassakwards is the entire democrat population.

        • Emudude

          They did Boo God 3 times during the DNC. Also in their Salute of the Military, they had Russian Ships and Turkish Air Planes on the Big Screen (Given to them by the White House Press Office). At All Obama’s Rally’s during his entire Campaign, Not a single American Flag in Site. NONE, at Any of them. I tell you, the man is not an American, and does not Respect America.

      • Emudude

        No doubt you support the Enemy during time of war. I suppose you are supporting Gaza against Israel right now, just like your hero, Obama.

      • Speaking as a veteran myself…you are probably right as for as the “rules” are concerned. Since the two SEAL’s in who died trying to save the ambassador also disobeyed a direct order, ARE YOU ALSO IN FAVOR OF COURT-MARSHALLING THEM?

    • lanahi

      I doubt very much if West will crawl back into some kind of obscurity. The libs and GOPe might have made a huge mistake taking him on.
      If there is a third party, West will be one of the leaders, and he won’t shut up.

      • white531

        He has a greater presence on the landscape right now, than Obama. Because he believes in this country and he believes in The Constitution.

  • JeffWRidge

    The left is determined to win, no matter how much they have to cheat. Keep fighting, Representative West. I have no doubt that you actually won.

  • colliemum

    Not just fishy – bl**dy outrageous!

    • StrangernFiction

      If you’re not outraged you have problems.

  • Patriot077

    I am praying Allen West is not denied his victory. However, if the corruption is too overpowering I see him as the perfect advocate for national election reform while he educates everyone on the history of tyranny and tyrants.

  • Haywoodjbl

    TYPICAL…. wow…I wonder why they missed the deadline?


  • trueseek1

    Communists should not be allowed to pull off an obvious stealing of an election!!! The democratic party is a racist party and needs to be called out! Thousands of Patriotic voters & volunteers should be out there protesting right now!

  • DuraMater

    So. When the deadline for casting early voting ballots passed at 7pm on Sat. Nov. 3rd, the lawyers for the Democrat Party of Florida, filed a lawsuit against Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach county election supervisors claiming voter suppression. They then showed up at county supervisors offices with busloads of angry, boisterous “voters” (who had obviously been too lazy or unmotivated to comply with the early voting schedule (standard 96 hours but condensed to 8 day period) demanding they be allowed to vote in violation of the state rules.

    Untold numbers of these rable-rousers were handed absentee ballots and allowed to fill them in and submit them on the spot to the Miami Dade supervisor, Penelope Townsley on Nov. 4th and 5th, days specifically excluded from the official days for voting in Miami Dade county. All done without the approval of the mayor, who like Ms. Townsley cowered and crumbled under the threat of Florida DNC lawyers.

    Democrats received emails and robocalls alerting them to this “expanded voting schedule”. Attorneys and registered voters for the Republican party were excluded from these notifications.

    My vote, cast after standing in line in high heel for over three hours in the Florida sun during the official early voting period was thereby diluted and negated because two sets of rules were put into play, favoring one political party over another.

    How can I sue?

    • colliemum

      Not how – whom: State Governor; election ‘supervisors’; mayor; all and any official in sight.

      Perhaps get a few other defrauded voters together and start a class action?

      Seriously, this cannot be allowed to slide by!

      • Linky1

        How can the State of FL allow 900 fraudulent Guatemalan votes decide an American election? #ALLENWESTRECOUNT http://fb.me/zuBBC2w1

      • DuraMater

        Thank you, colliemum, for the encouraging words. I, too, am angry and frustrated. Never been gripped by a litigious nature, but realizing now how those of us who value and live by a code of honor are being more and more aggrieved by the current system, I am ready to rattle some cages

        O won Florida by only ~84k votes and I can imagine that there were perhaps >100k illegal votes cast for him in Dade and Broward counties alone.

        You are correct. I wish all concerned citizens in all swing states where irregularities have been observed or suspected would rattle the cages of their respective sec. of state NOT to certify votes and seat electors until ALL suspicions are put to rest. I think we actually have until Dec. 10th to do this.

  • Rshill7

    They had all of the votes on six memory cards. One of them wouldn’t upload, but the guy in charge Todd Mowry who knows the total recount numbers was quoted earlier as saying “Happy Days” which would indicate he knew that West had more votes.

    So, the only reason they “missed the deadline” is a memory card glitch. Murphy and co. want to disenfranchise every vote on that last card.

    • poljunkie

      Wow, just wow. How many votes per memory card, do you know?

      • Rshill7

        No, but theoretically an incomplete count of the votes in question could not be certified any more than a count which leaves out several days of early voting.

  • conservative58

    It’s bad enough to see the total disregard for rule of law from Obama administration over the last four years. It is truly a sad day in America when we realize there is no longer integrity in our voting process.

    I admire West for his fight against fraud and corruption. I always believed that good triumphed evil, but it looks like evil is winning this battle.

    • warpmine

      As usual, the left openly declares dictatorship and the GOPe suddenly becomes submissive, terrified of their own shadows. Surprised they didn’t run for a hole in the ground in which to hide themselves.

      We have once again been told to eat our peas meaning the election is what THEY say it is. Our Founding Fathers would have been shooting way before now but hey, we 13 generations removed from those brave souls. Everything has to revolve around the “democratic process” which has been so flawed with fraud, it would make even Hugo Chavez blush.

      If we are to accept this and say, “we’ll see what happens next cycle” than we have no reason to bitch at the results. In fact we should just shut up and go along with the tyranny and accept it gleefully.

      • toongoon

        When the people rise up, just watch how fast those ba$tards run for their spider holes.

    • Emudude

      I like to think that God has put us in Babylonian Captivity. America is still in captivity for allowing Sin to Crawl into its society. We have still not learned to follow his will, and the Captivity will continue. Fitting since Obama and Hillary seem to support the Muslims more than America.

  • Lord, please let things go according to Your will. You know that we would like to see the truth prevail, and would like to see Allen West regain his seat, but if you have bigger plans for him, let Your will be done Lord. Thank you.

    • toongoon


    • warpmine

      With that in mind, the Lord has provided many test for us over the eons of time proving if we are worthy, this is yet another and another one we failed. If we cannot even stand up to the evil forces directly affecting our lives than why should He intervene?

      • sjmom

        God will intervene because God IS Love, loves and forgives us and is merciful. Yes, we must repent but the Lord is in control and there is nothing we mess up God can fix. God’s arm is NOT waxed short, nor has He turned His back on us. We must keep the faith, seek the Lord, and be faithful to obey His commands. This is no time to give up but to put on the full Armor of God and “having done all, to stand. Stand therefore”.(Eph 6: 13,14)

        • pdxlady

          sjmom – I agree and love your references, especially Eph. 6:13. There is a beautiful hymn by Donnie McClurkin; maybe you know it, called “Stand.”


          • sjmom

            I just listened to Donnie McClurkin and WOW, what a song! Didn’t hear it before but I’d like to again.

            Right now the Lord is teaching me what Donnie is singing about and this is why I wrote what I did. The Lord has shown me it is not me, but Him in me, which will accomplish all things by His grace. Would that I learn this lesson well and once and for all. Amen

            • pdxlady

              I’m so glad that you liked the song sjmom. I heard it for the first time recently, and it really spoke to me; it is very powerful.

              I don’t know if we ever fully learn lessons once and for all, because we are a constant work in progress; always dependent upon the Lord. Just my thought, but, if we fully learn the lessons, we wouldn’t need to depend on the Lord; so in His infinite wisdom, He keeps us humbly leaning on Him. (Jealous God)

              Two verses came to me in reading your post:

              “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.” Gal. 2:20 (ASV)

              “…to whom God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, which is Christ in you the hope of glory:…” Col. 1:27 (Darby)

              Many blessings my dear sister!

              • sjmom

                Thank you for your wisdom. Just saying, I would not like to repeat the same mistakes over and over, it gets old real quick. Thank God for His mercy! 🙂

                • pdxlady

                  I know exactly what you mean. The Lord will painstakingly set up just the right situations for us & for His purpose; then we will invariably blow it. Then it takes awhile for Him to set those circumstances up for us again, and…

                  If/when I recognize that pattern, and am at the end of my rope, I just have to say, Ok Lord, what is it that You want in this? and what are You trying to show me? He’s faithful; He’ll show us. Then we have to deal w/ whatever it is; by saying, Lord, You know I can’t do that, I’m not even willing; You must do that in me, make me willing, open me to even be open to this. He will do it in us.

                  Praise the Lord!

        • warpmine

          As individuals we can rest our minds that He is with us, however, as a nation we have sinned so great a sin, can we still believe that He will still bless the nation? I don’t think so.

          Agreed that we must keep faith in the love our Lord bestows His children but I’d be skeptical about receiving a blessing upon our nation from Him. You know scripture much better than I cold ever hope for at this time in life so I trust you have it correct but you know in your heart that we continue to disappoint our Lord in bad choices of governmental servants. Obama believes in collective salvation so I guess we’re all going to eternal damnation but the contrary is written that we as individuals are to seek the salvation of the Lord.

          • sjmom

            Salvation and blessing is never about anything we have done or for that matter we deserve. Of ourselves, we deserve Hell but God who is rich in mercy loved us so much He sent Jesus to save us. It is always about what Jesus has done; and so it is in trusting Him as Lord and Savior we are redeemed.

            Our nation was blessed at its founding because the founders trusted God and the founding documents are based on Holy Scripture. We are still the number one purveyor of the Gospel in the earth and send more missionaries around the globe than anyone else.

            Yes, we as a nation have sinned but there also have been a number of gatherings by Christians repenting before God for our national sins. For those of us who have sought the Lord, voted as He directed and who trust God and His Word the Lord will bless us. It’s always about faithfulness, willingness and obedience on our part.

            Don’t look at what we’ve done wrong. Look at what God has done right. His mercy endures forever. His Love is everlasting and “where sin abounded, grace did much more abound”.(Romans 5:20) God is not looking to punish but to save. Praise Him for it! 🙂

      • sjmom

        Excuse me for the typo where I said “can” when it should have been “cannot” fix.

        • warpmine

          I knew what you meant and so do most that read your comments.

          • sjmom

            I pray so and also pray I remember what I write because I talk to me as well. The world is an awful place and the only way to get through what Satan dishes out is to stay close to the Lord in His Word and in prayer. 🙂

            • warpmine

              The world is definitely a better place with you in it helping to steer people right. Stay tough and true to the word as you do now, my daughter is depending on those like you.

              • sjmom

                Thank you and blessing upon your family. 🙂

    • pdxlady

      …and again, I say AMEN!

  • jana01

    How is this any different from the fraudulent elections in countries that keep dictators in power by whatever means they choose? Surely this can’t be happening in this country.

  • toongoon

    How much real disfranchisement will the good people of this country stand?

    • Linky1

      It’s been 12 days since the election was stolen by Obama and his thugs. We, the people have had to absorb a lot in those 12 days, all of it bad.

      Obama and his thugs are laughing at us and it’s like the kid who keeps getting sand kicked in his face at the beach, by the big, bad bully-sooner or later, the kid is going to reach his tipping point and fight back.

      I honestly, sincerely, passionately hope this is what tips people over the edge-this is proof positive that this was all planned form the beginning-from Soros and the Voting machines to the Secretary of state Project. They control voting results in states and it looks like Spooky Dude got his money’s worth here.

      Allen West is a fighter and he will NOT concede.

      • toongoon

        I am 100% in agreement with you Linky.

  • maynardb50


  • Steve B


    #AllenWestRepubic – @Gary_Galiano cannot confirm but his source is reliable Florida Secretary of State WILL certify Patrick Murphy on the LAST VOTES. ARE YOU ANGRY PATRIOTS? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?????

  • toongoon

    The communists have stolen yet another election using our laws against us.

  • Steve B


  • Dodoforever Canspell

    Who says evil never wins ?!! What does this tell you ?

  • Boris_Badenoff

    It should be fairly obvious the intentions of the democrats is NOT to get to the REAL accurate vote count but to see that their candidate wins, pretty much follows along with their opposition to Voter I.D. laws.

    To the Democrats it is not about accurate fair elections, they have Proven with out a doubt they are willing to cheat , lie and do what ever it takes to control the power.

    Pretty much just like their President. A liar if I ever saw one.

  • dk_in_tn

    The fix is in and I hope West will not let them get away with it.

  • sjmom

    God’s will be done “in earth as it is in heaven.” In Jesus Name, Amen.

  • Linky1
    • colliemum

      Thanks for the link – it’s battling with #israelunderfire on my account right now …

  • tvlgds
  • jana01

    This is the same voting process that goes on in countries that keep dictators in power. We all knew this would be a challenging election but the outcome on the national and local levels suggests that many of us have become naive. Now we can see clearly that our election process and voting system in 2012 has been mocked and dispected. Perhaps Mr. West’s ordeal will awaken some people to the fact that voting in the US no longer reflects integrity and honesty. It has become corrupt and dishonest and the results are known long before the votes are cast. Surely this won’t continue in this country.

  • marketcomp

    I figured there was more to this. I mean who would beleive that scoudrel Murphy. Another snake in Washington, DC.

  • Linky1

    FL law allows exemption 2the deadline in an emergency& West’s atty r expected 2 argue exempt. applies http://shar.es/G8mqx #AllenWestRecount

  • Go home early last night. Get in touch with puppet master. Receive tool or method to scramble or destroy data on one card to prevent them from turning in votes = stolen election. I am hating these electronic things more and more now. Even if the card went bad, how could they not keep a backup or duplicate on less destroyable medium…..sounds like this has been setup to steal elections.

    • Linky1

      This district is just the tip of the iceberg, Stewie. Look at the 59 polling stations in Philly that registered NO Romney supporters. Stinks worse than 3 day old fish.

    • poljunkie

      Hubby has always used the paper ballots. Since 2004 he convinced us to stop using the electronic.

      Edit: oops, forgot to say, he is an IT guy, and said- Anything can be programmed to do anything. Not saying it has happened but it could. We’re not conspiracy theocracies but realists. Just can’t fathom that Obama received every single vote in all 59 counties in PA. There wasn’t one Republican? One Democrat that didn’t like him? One unaffiliated ?

    • TitaniumEagle

      Sadly, it would be so easy to design an auditable electronic voting system and yet the ‘best’ they can get is these.

  • AmericanLass

    Would have been great if more who voted for Allen West would have showed up for the recount. He needed their votes and their support during this recount.

    • Patriot077

      Did he not have support during the recount yesterday?

      • AmericanLass

        Not as many as needed, the ones they had worked long and hard without a break. Calls went out begging new fresh people to come and help. Which in the end some great people did, but the calls asking for help were heartbreaking.

  • stage9

    Kind of makes you wonder how many OTHER states suffered the same fate! Would Obama still be president?

    • poljunkie

      Yep I read that the “difference” was less than 400,000 votes for the election- in re to the critical states.

  • Linky1

    Statement from COmmissioner coming @ 1:07 EST.

  • c4pfan

    The GOP saying anything?!

    • Linky1

      Rubio is in Iowa. Lord only knows where Romney is. No word from the RINO gang.

      West is going this alone, no GOP backup. Doesn’t need it, he has the people at his back. Just another nail in the coffin of the GOP, as all, including Rubio, won’t stand up for West.

      • DuraMater

        Mea culpa, folks. Having grown up in SoFla, a resident for >50 years has taught me to be more discerning but I gave in and ignored my better judgement. I campaigned for Rubio, in spite of his recorded performance in Tallahassee. Wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, hoped he had matured and, well……the alternative was Charlie Crist, for cryin-out-loud.

        Nunca mas will Sen. (DREAM ACT) Rubio receive my support.

        Unfortunately, the vast majority of the US is easily beguiled by those who possess both charm and a compelling sounding life story. Gotta study their recorded actions in primary resources and documents before falling head over heels for every new persona. Iowans (and many, many others) have not done due diligence in this case.

        • sDee

          Both parties are dragging us away for a sovereign Constitutional Republic, to some insidious strain of globalism or another.

          11 million illegals both “hispanic” and islamic, will push us past the point of no return. They all know that and have known it for decades. For the elephants, Rubio is the pretty face needed to get the other half of the nation to swallow the poison pill.

          It is no coincidence that Hussein Obama, Rubio, nor Jindal are eligible under Article 2 Section 1. There is a reason both Parties and the Supreme Court ignore it, as if it is a useless appendage to the US Constitution.

          • Patriot077

            Did you intend to say “ineligible” in your last paragragh?

            • sDee

              indeed – feex’d

              • Patriot077

                I figured we were on the same page. I love Mark Levin but even he doesn’t define “natural born” as being of two citizen parents. I’m a bit older than him and I grew up in a very conservative region. If there is anything I remember from my high school civics class, it is that one point. It was a significant distinction, required of no other citizen elected to office, and the intent was to prevent the candidacy of a president with divided loyalties. I still don’t understand the complete blackout on this topic – not just the network news but all the conservative hosts as well.

                • sDee

                  The silence is deafening.

              • sDee, can you go read this and let me know what you think of it please? I value your opinion greatly!! Thank you dear friend… http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/2012/11/welcome-to-constitutional-freedom-party.html#!/2012/11/welcome-to-constitutional-freedom-party.html

          • DuraMater

            It just amazes me that the GOP believes that their various pandering and wooing strategies to attract the “Hispanic vote” is somehow a logical tradeoff for their unhyphenated American voter base (which BTW includes many of Hispanic ethnic background).

            Maybe Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush believe that Eduardo Padron (Cuban born President of Miami Dade College) and other Hispanic serving institution presidents in FL will bring them the student vote in the next go-round as they did for Obama in this election cycle. Lots o money to be gleaned for these colleges and universities by inflating the enrollment with a population having a particular ethnic surname, you know. Doesn’t really matter if they are legal or illegal but would sure help plump up the kitty if they could all be claimed as legal.

            But here is the rub for Marco y Jeb and others of their false belief…….THAT Hispanic population historically votes Dem and will continue to do so until Kingdom come. No amnesty, DREAM Act or other special favors will change that fact. It will however, assure the rest of us that these politicos are no different than the ones “across the aisle”.

            I now understand why the GOP has been called the party of stupid.

            • poljunkie

              Whats your opinion of Luis Fortuno? We were in Puerto Rico a couple years ago, and on the street people we talked with really liked the reform he had put into place, and improvements he had implemented.

              Really surprised he didnt win re-election.

              • DuraMater

                I am really not familiar with this gentleman at all, other than that he served as Gov. of Puerto Rico until this last election (I live in SoFla….easily mistaken for a Carribean island at times).

                I hear he is a Bloomberg supporter. I suspect his appearance at GOP convention was another one of those attempts by GOP to appeal to the ethnic vote.

                • poljunkie

                  I wasnt aware of his fondness for Bloomberg. I know that he ran on being conservative- and reform, and when he took over as Gov Puerto Rico was in pretty bad shape with very high unemployment , and major dependency on entitlements, pensions etc.

                  He slashed and cut- and iniitally the citizens werent happy but came around when they saw they could prosper by working for themselves. John Stossel did a special on him/PR.
                  I know their unemployment is still high but he vastly improved the way of living.

                  I actually thought he would have been a good choice for VP although he didnt have much name recognition.
                  The people of Puerto Rico—-the ones that are interested and involved —and not already “brainwashed” are fairly conservative. At least the ones we spoke to. But then they were the ones, who were out and about….and working hard….really hard…..

            • sDee

              The elephants always lose when they play this game. Always have.

              The elephants seem to think it is but a game pandering and free stuff. The game does require buying votes of the “disaffected” but that first requires creating the entitlement and victimization mentality. That requires a victimizer, the oppressor which are always the Republicans.

              The republicans seem to think they can be both the party of the oppressed and the oppressors. Ain’t gonna work. They fish out the dog biscuit, the democrats wait patiently and steal it.

    • marketcomp

      Look, it should be obvious to all that the GOP is not going to do anything. In almost every swing State we have republican Govenors and none will look into what maybe fraud in the Presidential election. But I bet you if thos Swing Staes had democrat Governors and the vote showed Mitt Romney as the winner in a close vote count every democrat govenor would be calling for a recount. The GOP is doomed simply because they won’t fight for what’s right. And the dems know that.

    • The lack of any comment from GOP leadership makes my decision to leave the Party in the new year a smarter one by the minute.

  • poljunkie

    “All Patrick Murphy wanted was to follow the law,” hah ha—

    If by that you mean by the disenfranchisement of voters? Ok! Carry on Mr Murphy.
    I’ll stick with Col. West.

    • Patriot077

      There he goes again using words but meaning the opposite. He is using the law to run out the clock to estop West from harvesting votes from that one “malfunctioning” card. My bet is it contains enough to put West in the “W” column.

      Keep fighting with the Lt. Col, Florida. He is a righteous candidate and the USA congress needs about 500 more like him.

      • poljunkie

        Exactly. What a d$%#wad.

  • kevy99

    The depth of their depravity has no limits

  • The problem card would have been revealed long before the deadline if the count process had not been interrupted last night. No one believes the story about a burglar alarm that could not be reset or turned off. Interrupting the count was a blatant delaying tactic, intended to make meeting the deadline less likely.
    The St. Lucie County SOE’s office is now a crime scene and should be treated as such.

  • pdxlady

    This just in, @ Legal Insurrection: West going to court — Will contest certification


  • toongoon

    There are more liberty loving patriots than communist sympathizers in this country, which is indicated by the left having to steal elections. All we need is a John Adams and George Washington to lead us.

  • Conservator1

    UPDATE 1:47 P.M.: West going to court — Will contest certification – From “a source close to Allen West” provided to Legal Insurrection:

    St Lucie missed the deadline for certification, so automatically the previous results are what go to the Secretary of State for final certification.

    Our attorneys are seeing if it’s possible (today) to get an emergency extension of the deadline.

    We have until Nov 30 (10 days) to contest the election in Talahassee, and then there would be a hearing scheduled in December.

    Of course, the Secretary of State may decide to NOT certify the results because of the discrepancies -and we have yet to see the results of the auditor’s report which may recommend a retabulation.

    Just as background, one precinct has 7 voters registered and yet recorded about 900 votes. That’s a 13,000 percent turnout.

    Clearly, something is amiss.


    • poljunkie

      “one precinct has 7 voters registered and yet recorded about 900 votes.”

      Are they insane?

      • Try to conince me that nothing corrupt is going on here. Come on I dare ya’.

        • poljunkie

          I wish I could. Sadly I cannot Robert.

      • pdxlady

        polSis, I know it’s a rhetorical question but, yes, they are absolutely insane! Did they think we wouldn’t notice?

        • poljunkie

          I think they are! you’re right! AND delusional.

          They think we are clueless! Counties voting 100% for Obama- not one vote for Romney? Low turn out- even when we saw massive rally’s? I mean we saw- with our own eyes! Engaged crowds! They weren’t photo shopped!

          We play by the rules, and they underhandedly pilfer our Freedom.

          • pdxlady

            Thank you for clarifying :D!

            • poljunkie


      • colliemum

        Not insane – utterly shameless!
        Shameless and depraved.

      • Conservator1

        I don’t believe they’re insane. I believe they intentionally ran-out the clock in Democratically control St. Lucie and that they will get away with it.

      • wesmorgan1

        The only source for that “900 votes’ comment seems to be West’s campaign team. In the initial results submitted on Election Night, that precinct (Precinct 93) reported a tie – 3 votes apiece.

    • it’s completely unfair to west if these results are certified. the reason the deadline was missed was because of the memory card error? is that west’s fault? or maybe they really did intentionally run out the clock.

      this is so absurd. we shouldn’t have to fight so hard for a fair vote count, it should happen automatically. it shouldn’t have to be so hard.

  • Linky1

    TRS just got a good mention here: Allen West Republic ‏@AllenWestRepub

    The Right Scoop just posted this on their play by play. “UPDATE 4: Apparently there is still hope, as Florida Law… http://fb.me/2rQGaGkue
    Retweeted by AllenWest4Congress

    • poljunkie

      Yay. RScoop.

  • Stealing Elections Chicago Style….the Union Trash and their tactics have now spread like a sewer pipe nationwide.

  • colliemum

    900 votes in a district where only 6 voters were registered and counted – how shamelss can the left get?

    How is it possible that the GOP is not opening their mouths?
    How is it possible that the Beltway ‘conservative’ pundits can’t even be bothered to mention this?

    It’s time that true patriots and conservatives gave the finger to the whole depraved lot of them, and start to create a new party, around constitutionalists and true conservatives like Allen West and Sarah Palin.
    Enough with the lies of the Beltway establishment and their lapdog MSM already!

    • poljunkie

      Voting “discrepancies” appear to be rampant.
      I just read this:

      In 37 Chicago Precincts, Romney Received No Votes 0-Zip, NADA- Zilch. Romney was rejected by every voter in 37 Chicago precincts, an embarrassing result, given that segregation and Machine politics are two of our city’s most notable qualities.

      In critical swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Illinois there are a lot of precincts in Philadelphia, Cleveland, and Chicago which reported 100% of their votes cast for Obama.
      These add up to many 10’s of thousands of votes for Obama and 0 for Romney. I have read a number of articles about this and people knowlegable in Political Science and Statistics are starting to take notice of this.Statistically, even if among 10’s of thousands of voters all wanted to vote for Obama, it would not be possible to receive 100% of the vote because at least a few would make a mistake and vote incorrectly for Romney.
      Not to mention the fact that a least a few of those 10’s of thousands might actually disagree with Obama.
      These types of election returns are only seen in countries run by dictators.

      Vote fraud occurs in Chicago because the U.S. Attorney doesn’t want to conduct a simple investigation of those 37 precincts. Is there similar hand writing on any of those ballots ?
      Did any dead people vote ?
      Since Chicago lost 6.9% of its population in the 2010 Census : were any of those 37 precincts in the declining population wards? Maybe,
      if Chicago had a legitimate U.S. Attorney some of these questions would be answered.

      • Patriot077

        I read somewhere that the community organizers know their neighborhoods. When someone moves, they know that too. They know which ones can safely continue to vote.

        Our country and form of government cannot stand when there is no virtue among the citizens. These people are not a majority but they have been busy as ants for a number of years to bring our great nation to this point.

        • poljunkie

          Yep, I have been reading the Dems ground game. It is unbelievable—both what you described and also legal. One example on how they made sure they got all the voters out-
          A guy who voted in Ohio- 24, voted in the morning, recent grad got a phone call at 1pm. Hey this is John from the Dem party. We saw you already voted earlier…Thank you sooo much.(public record) But your sister, and your mom- both havent. Can you give them a call for us? Then they wait a few hours- if the sister and mom dont vote, they call him back, until the family members go. If by 5:00 they havent voted, they ramp up the intensity and offer to send someone to drive them to the polls.

          Their success rate was outstanding.

  • this is ridiculous.

    according to this http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/11/allen-west-st-lucie-county-recount-results-2/ they intentionally ran out the clock?!

    they only had 304 votes left to count and then, the memory card had an error or something?

    and they started later this morning then they were supposed to.

    nothing makes sense. it really does appear that the election officials are doing everything they can to stop west. it should not be this difficult to get an early vote recount. this is way too suspicious.

  • Matt_SE

    They are doing EVERYTHING in their power to prevent this recount from going through because (assuming actual transparency) it will show MASSIVE voter fraud…that will then call into question the presidential results as well as any other close national races.

    The democrats can’t afford to have their lies exposed because it endangers the house of cards they’ve set up. They have an absolute interest (just like all the other dictatorships out there) in promoting a false narrative to dispirit the republicans/independents.

    The idea that the dems won “fair and square” is the BIG LIE.

  • How desperate these leftist thugs are! They’re trying everything they can to steal the seat. Makes me sick.

  • i’m confused.

    by now, did they finish counting all the early votes?

    if so, why are they not releasing the vote totals to the public?

    or are they not finished because of that memory card error??

    • kong1967

      Just to let you know, you’re not the only one that’s confused. I am, too. I’m taking that they didn’t get all the votes counted because of one card that held them up. Sounds like a bunch of crap to me, especially when they only had 304 votes left to count last night.

  • Conservator1

    AllenWest4Congress ‏@AllenWest4Congr
    West -52672 (previous)- 52704 votes – 32 vote gain for West Murphy – 65567 (previous) votes 65841 – 274 vote gain for Murphy

    This latest tweet doesn’t look good for a man I greatly admire, Allen West.

  • David Boyes

    to quote Michael W Smith – go WEST while the evil go EAST !!! 🙂

  • Steven

    If somehow by the grace of God West overcomes and wins this battle, i say we march on to 2016! Allen West 2016!

    • kong1967

      They’ll do the same thing to him in 2016.

  • John3_3


    This is nothing short of criminal! We do not live in America anymore! This government needs to be abolished!

    • A one armed, half blind, mentally retarded monkey could have counted 300 votes in that time. But then we have “democratic counters”… So they have to count sllloooowwwww to match their brain speed.

  • The whole election was fraud.

    • kong1967

      This one and the Presidential one as well.

      • p m

        …and in 2008 as well – per Lame Cherry.

        • kong1967

          Fraud in 2008…..agreed. What the heck is “Lame Cherry”?

          • p m

            Did it again, eh kong?! Dang – sorry!
            It’s a blog with a high degree of prescience in telling its readers the back stories of current and future events.
            A different writing style that needs to be studied, and cheesy pictures you will either have to avert your eyes from, or enjoy…Just referred it to another commenter the other day and I learned about it from someone here I think – or the Ulsterman Report. Together with TRS, American Thinker and Sultan Knish (Daniel Greenfield, brilliant guy), Lame Cherry is one of my daily must reads. If you’d like to check it out, it’s here – again, be warned, it has cheesy photos!

            • kong1967

              Looks pretty interesting. I bookmarked it so I can check it out better later.

  • Conservator1

    More bad news:

    “…Although results have not been certified, final numbers released by the canvassing board today show West with 52,704 votes in St. Lucie County and Murphy with 65,841. These tallies, added the final results from Martin and Palm Beach counties give Murphy the win with 50.16 percent of the vote to West’s 49.51 – a spread of .65 percent…”


    • kong1967

      When there is one precinct that turned in 900 votes and there are only 7 registered voters, it’s obvious that none of the numbers can be trusted and are surely way off everywhere.

      We need sweeping legislation to prevent voter fraud. Tens of thousands of voters are being disenfranchised (by illegal votes) in order to make sure that the rare person that doesn’t have his sh** together doesn’t lose his vote. When it changes the outcome of entire states, that means millions of votes are disenfranchised because voter fraud in swing states wiped away other states’ electoral votes.

      • Conservator1

        I don’t disagree, but if those vote tallies hold then West will be the official loser. I prefer saying it looks like Team Murphy and Democrats have successfully stolen the race and it hurts.

        • kong1967

          I agree. Unless I see legislation changes in the swing states to crack down on voter fraud, I’m only voting for state positions next time. No Presdent.

          If I had my choice, my state of Kansas would secede from the nation. The time is coming when California, New York, and Illinois will be needing bailouts or face collapse. I vote to let them collapse, but it’s not going to happen because the federal government will prop up their union and environmental policies with our money.

      • lanahi

        And the military vote still hasn’t been counted either? We disinfranchise the men who fight and sometimes die for this country?

        • kong1967

          Yeah, and libs try to disenfranchise them every election by disqualifying their votes for one reason or another. Gotta leave the door wide open for fraud to make sure the guy living on a park bench can still vote by being dragged to the polling booth by Democrats, but screw the military. I am so fed up with the left I can’t stand it any more.

  • kong1967

    I’m sorry, friends…..as of this moment I am done voting. I live in Kansas, so it won’t have any impact on the electoral count. The electoral votes for conservative states do not count when the left commits so much fraud they we can’t take the swing states no matter how many of us vote. I realize West wasn’t in the Presidential race, but the same fraud applied in both races. I’m protesting. I’m done. Our system is a joke and I’m not going to embarrass myself by being a part of it any more.

    • badbadlibs

      From the left:

      “Mission accomplished”.

      I understand your heart felt sense of defeat and frustration. I’m going to keep voting no matter how bad it gets, no matter how the left steals, cheats or how the right can’t get it’s collective act together.
      Too many men and women died to give me that right.
      Again, I understand and I do appreciate your efforts here and well thought out posts.

      • kong1967

        Ugh, I know you’re right and I agree. It’s just so frustrating to vote and see that it’s wiped out by fraud. I had just stated, again, that I will not vote for President and I might not. But, as you say, people died to give us the right to vote so it would be a good idea to keep doing it before we lose it. I will be screaming at the top of my lungs, though, at all the fraud.

        • badbadlibs

          Keep screaming, friend. You’re not alone.

  • GRITSMama

    Colonel West, there are few heroes left in our once great nation, but you sir are a hero! Your calling may now be, to be a thorn in the enemy’s side and lead the great patriots who are willing to do what it takes, to take back our country!!

  • sDee

    No matter where this goes, it removes all doubt that our government and institutions are under control of a one-party system and a corrupt propaganda media.

    These are the brave. The warriors. Among the few.

  • This race has more twists and turns and ups and downs than a Olympic Park sized roller coaster! 🙁 I just wish they’d get the count and result right and announce a winner. Hopefully of course, that will be Col. West. You’d think this as a third world banana republic with the shenanigans going on.

    • badbadlibs

      You’d be correct in thinking this is a third world banana republic. It’s ovomt’s purpose to “remake” America in his third world image, how better can he exact the revenge on America he has determined to accomplish….

    • marketcomp

      What’s interesting is that West district was redrawn and he was told that in the district there were more republicans than democrats. I guess some of those republicans were apart of the 3 million that did not vote or they voted for LTC. West opponent. Perhaps the Florida legislation wanted to get rid of West through redistricting. This also happen to B1 Bob Dornen in California before it became completely blue. Prehaps this is a prelude to what Florida becoming all Blue.

    • Picked up 242 more votes … including a precinct of 7 who mysteriously had 900 votes? I am not buying it.

    • colliemum

      Thanks for the link.
      The comments from the Murphy admirers on that link are disgusting. Why is it that the left prefers to communicate in abusive, denigrating language? They seem to be incapable of civil discourse.

  • MaxineCA

    Can anyone tell me why they were only recounting a few days of EARLY votes instead of ALL of the votes, early or not?

    Geez, I’ve been so depressed since the election and all of the “irregularities” reported across the country, this isn’t going to help me pull out of my foul mood.

    It’s a very sad time for America when politics (win at all cost attitude) trumps honor, honesty and integrity.

  • nibblesyble

    What a bloody travesty! West is being railroaded at every turn…Please God so not let the evil-doers prevail!

  • 7 Registered voters. 900 votes. It’s a SWINDLE, a SCANDAL and the RNC will say NOTHNG about it! West got Railroaded! DISGRACE!!! Our Country was hijacked!! I want our country BACK!!!

    • colliemum

      And the GOPe stands by and says nothing …
      And the high-brow “conservative” pundits in the beltway stand by and say nothing …

      To all of them, people don’t matter, the Constitution doesn’t matter – all they want is to keep their trotters in the trough and stay in the swamp that is Washington DC.

      Time for pitchforks, tar and feathers …

      • wodiej

        The Republicans have shown over the last few election cycles they are no better than liberals. I still think Bush did not win in 2000 fair and square. All of this cheating by democrats is payback. Both sides are rotten to the core. The libs steal from the rich to give to the poor. The rich steal from their workers to give themselves big bonuses and pay. Wall St. is crooked. Big business is crooked. The financial sector is crooked. We must start a 3rd party. The GOP is not our friend.

  • There is only one reason these felonious CLOWNS didn’t certify these results…ALLEN WEST WON! They are so afraid of going to prison BAHAHAHAHA!!! The voter fraud will be seen as being so rampant (and disgustingly so) that there will be DOZENS and DOZENS of indictments throughout the district and they KNOW IT!! I’d be demanding the “unofficial” results ANYWAY! COWARDLY CRIMINALS!

  • NoToTyrants

    Florida’s New Tourist Slogan:

    Hurry…Visit Florida…Before we completely morph into Venezuela.

    • marketcomp

      Or morph into California!

  • “All Patrick Murphy wanted was to follow the law.” How about following the law that only lets register voters vote and even then only one time?

  • Rshill7

    “The missed deadline now increases pressure on Gov. Rick Scott and Secretary of State Ken Detzner, who have to certify final results on Tuesday.”


  • wodiej

    what a bunch of, excuse me, horse shit.

  • spin43

    We all know that West won, but it is all about who counts the votes.

  • tsturbo

    The only question is where the first shots are going to be fired in the coming revolution, because that is the only way to take back our country.

    • WordsFailMe

      I love it that there are Wets supporters down in the mall demanding action, making noise and staying put.

      Bring out the axe handles let’s do this thing. The St Lucie’s County election board has acted “stupidly.” Let them pay.

  • nomohoc

    Go Allen You are our hero!!!! Never give up

  • Another political clusterfark of epic proportions. WTF has happened to my country?!

  • WordsFailMe

    I’m late to the party. Can someone please remind me: What is Gertrude Walker again?

    • iaintlyin

      A cheating lib moron. Every bit of disrespect intended.

  • americalsgt

    What kills me is thinking that had West been a Democrat, the press, the NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson, et al would be screaming. But, because West is a conservative, they are silent. Let none of us forget this and the next time the usual suspects come to the rescue of a black person who they feel has been unjustly treated, let us reply Alan West, Alan West, Alan West, shout the bastards down.

  • What a mess…. Shame on democrats

  • poljunkie

    Whats the breakdown of the “900” votes? Do they just magically appear in the district?

    Toss them out, and then does automatic recall for the entire vote (not just early) go into effect?

  • tinlizzieowner

    “All Patrick Murphy wanted was to follow the law,” said attorney Gerald Richman, a member of Murphy’s legal team. “They absolutely missed it (deadline). Whatever it is, it is. We just want the law to be followed.”

    Then count the votes like you were ‘legally’ supposed to.

  • poljunkie

    This is why, when ever we have elections, and there is a Judge on the ballot- I LOOK THEM UP to find out their affiliation. Often times they are unopposed but that doesnt mean I have to vote for them.

    • tinlizzieowner

      I go as far as to call a lawyer friend of mine who shares my political outlook, and ask him about the judges.

      • poljunkie

        Oh geeez, that just reminded me- awhile ago, we were going thru a court case, and our attorney had a partner who was a nice guy. We were sitting in their office one afternoon…just shooting the breeze, and he says- who’s your judge next week. We tell him. He says- oh, I hate that guy, and he hates me—-ever since I called him out- over some baseball cards he had an opposing counsels client sign for his son.

        We all had a huge laugh. He said- no really. If I am ever assigned his court, I immediately petition to change…..So we leave.

        The next week, our date comes up, and at 6:am the phone rings and our attorney’s wife says, my husband is sooooo ill, he’ been nearly dying all night. his partner is going to meet you- and appear with you to ask for an extension.

        We nearly lost it. The judge had outward contempt for him. But granted the request.

        We still laugh about that.

        • tinlizzieowner

          I’m reminded of an old Mae West movie where she standing in front of a judge and the judge says, “Miss West are you showing contempt for this court?” and she replies, “No your honor, I’m doing my best to conceal it”.
          😉 😉

          • poljunkie


  • poljunkie

    Why aren’t they counting all the votes? Instead of the just the early? I know they were hoping for the auto recall but this seems like such a waste of time-

    I mean COUNT THE DAMN votes.

    • they can only recount all the votes if the early vote recount shows that west’s vote count was in .5% margin of murphy’s votes.

      but i’m confused as to whether the early vote recount is actually finished, because, they have results declared, but weren’t there errors? like the 900 votes coming from a district with 7 voters. this is so confusing.

      yep i wish they would recount ALL votes though. i bet there were voting “errors” in the other counties.

      • Patriot077

        Seems like that automatic recount rule would be invalidated when there is evidence of irregularities in the process itself.

  • Constance

    Didn’t the RNC indicate they were going to help West with this situation? Where are they? Where are the other conservative elected representatives voicing solidarity with Mr. West in this issue? Bachmann? Ryan? Anybody? I’m getting angrier by the day, and I didn’t think that was humanly possible considering Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and Obama’s so-called fair reelection. What the hell?

    • jrt1031

      The RNC is so far up oby’s a s s that they cant see daylight for years.

    • Patriot077

      I read that there actually was a contingent from the House Administrative Committee or something like that. How many and for how long I don’t know. It’s something but it would be nice if some of the other congresscritters would speak up and laud West for investigating the truly irregular vote counting.

  • jrt1031

    This is completly outragious!!! You mean to tell me that this county voted for a 29 year old candidate over a decorated 51 year old with experience in the American constitution and life in general. Someone needs to help justice prevail here!!!!! This is completely blatenly communism 101. The citizens of this county need to picket and petition for a complete re-elction like the dems got in Wisconson only to find out that they werent the majority. STand for what you believe in people!!!

    • sDee

      Communism no longer arrives at the end of a gun, but on the coattails of democracy. Everything that blinds free men to its insidious creep remains, and will also blind them to its entrenchment.

      There is no truth. Only the narrative is rewarded.

      Here is the fate of anyone who stands in their way.

      America’s dirtiest job: Justifying Allen West

      • colliemum

        Thank you for that link – I’ve bookmarked it for future reference, because the language in the article (not just comments) is so horrible.
        This is how the leftie ‘highbrows’ speak, so no wonder the rest of the lowlife speaks like that.
        Also – this shows exactly how the left is now going to go for Allen West, the true patriot, just as they went for Sarah Palin.

        Loathe the left and fight it every inch of the way!

  • unanswered questions:

    -why did they only do a partial recount of early votes at first and then later agreed to recount all the early votes like they were supposed to?

    -what happened to the memory card that had an error?

    -what happened overnight? they delayed the vote count until this morning but what if someone did something overnight?

    -why wasn’t the noon deadline met? (was it because of the memory card?)

    -why aren’t they letting west’s team look at the voter registration signup sheets from election day, to see if they matched up with the computer numbers?

    -where did 900 votes come from in a precinct that had 7 registered voters?

    • tinlizzieowner

      That alone should constitute a recount.

  • puma_for_life

    Too bad the national GOP are such wimps; I bet if Romeny contested all of the swing states, he would be the winner. How can anyone trust the results of our elections of this one county can have so many problems?

  • opinionatedhermit

    “It took one and a half hours today once they got started to do what they could’ve done last night and if it’s true the memory card failed it could’ve been fixed last night!!!!!”

    This is why voting machines are bullshit.

    You don’t need to create a machine to vote. You need to create a machine that creates perfect ballots for people. No more hanging chads.

    The system that then counts these ballots also needs to be separate from the system that created them. They can then be used as a check and balance against each other……

  • jrt1031

    Ever since Al Gore and the hanging chads we are plagued with democrats stealing elections because if they were wronged then they are all owed the justification of being able to steal elections. Its like they all feel its their given right to just take any election they want. The people that voted for West need to rise and be heard They need to petition their votes. Put them down on paper and present them to the board of elections. There is no way a 29 year old could beat a 51 year old with the record and experience that he has.

  • sDee

    Alan Grayson was handily reelected in Florida. Wholly corrupt Bill Nelson, who sold out all of Florida’s Meidcare recipients, was also re-elected by those whose lives and health he sold for trinkets.

    • poljunkie

      I still can believe Alan Grayson was re-elected. That guy is evil on a stick.

    • c4pfan

      Then West should just try again for the seat, if those idiots can.

      • marketcomp

        I don’t think I would try that district again. It’s a diaster so why put yourself in that position. I think the RNC chairmen may have to leave because of the Presidential lost. So there maybe opportunity there and Allen West is a great fundraiser. Micheal Steele brought in 65 house members but spent a lot of money to do it and Karl Rove and company made him leave. So who knows, Allen West has tremendous opportunity.

        • Patriot077

          Was it Karl Rove and the DC establishment or the Florida state Republicans that did the redistricting? Probably the hand of Jeb in the Florida club being held by Rove.

        • sDee

          Reince Priebus tries to lock down RNC chair again

          Sarah Palin will win more seats than Preiebus

          • Patriot077

            So Priebus wants to lock in the chair and the RNC wants to prevent any more “Todd Akins”. With the rules changes they made at the convention, arbitrarily, it will be very hard for us to make any headway except as a 3rd party. Scarey thought, isn’t it?

          • marketcomp

            How can he remain as chairman when ho lost a huge election? Only in politics.

  • tinlizzieowner

    Here’s the gig folks. Col. West can’t be allowed to secure (and win) a recount, no matter how many dirty tricks the left has to pull. It will trigger a call for recounts all over the nation and they know it.

    • Dodoforever Canspell

      Yup … that’s true and therein lies the crux of the matter. They just CANNOT let West win on the recount. That’s why I feel he should let go and get started on a “recall” election. That can be a whole different and completely separate matter of fresh voters and the Dems can save face by covering up the nationwide fraud of this election which many of the fair-minded lefties know by now has definitely happened.

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  • tinlizzieowner

    “The voters have spoken and Patrick Murphy is once again the clear winner. It is beyond time to put this campaign behind us and put the interests of the people of the Treasure Coast and Palm Beaches first.”

    Only the lawyer for a Democratic politician would consider 8 hundredths of ONE percent, a ‘clear winner’. We all know that if Col. West had been the Democrat in this election (and Black to boot) they would be counting and re-counting these votes until hell froze over to see that he won.

  • Re Re

    Unfreakinbelievable. They are so afraid of Col. West that they (our enemies!!!) will do anything to get him out. They’d rather have a punk with a police record representing them! And where’s the RNC? The same place they were during the campaign. NOWHERE.

  • TLaMana

    Obviously the deadline was missed on purpose. They could have been done by 11 PM the night before and dragged it out to have an excuse as to why they couldn’t meet the deadline.

    • that’s what i think too. this missing the deadline thing is really suspicious.

      west should not be punished, (by not having a fair vote count) when the missed deadline is not his fault.

  • Dodoforever Canspell

    If all else fails, Allen West’s supporters should insist on a “recall” election like the Democrats did in the Wisconsin elections.

    I believe there were recalls for 4 senators as well. 3 were re-elected. I can’t find the relevant info at this time, but I saw something on it yesterday somewhere.

  • MawrPidyn

    I think it’s clear they know West won, and they’re dragging the chain in whatever way they can to get that scumbag Murphy over the line.

    This has happened all across this once-great nation.

    Lines for the voting booths were so long in Virginia that they had to extend the hours, yet they recorded less turnout than in 2008? Sounds suspicious to me.

    The whole system is broken, and the fool republicans didn’t get it fixed while they had the chance. Too busy being “compassionate” I guess.

  • TitaniumEagle

    Who let all the trolls on today?

    • tinlizzieowner

      They always show up when they’re scared of somebody or something and Col. West scares them good. 😉

  • LeonidasOfSparta1957

    Computer programmer, Mr. Curtis, wrote a prototype that would flip the vote 50/49 however you wanted it.

  • LeonidasOfSparta1957


    I think the possibility of vote tampering in the national election should be taken seriously and something done about it now.

  • Chunkdog1

    To those jerks who condemn Alan West for his alleged actions kin the military…First of all, it is so easy to sit there, with your fat ass in your comfortable, safe recliner, playing armchair military guy and pass judgement.

    It’s easy to condemn and second guess the actions of those, who are directly responsible for the lives of 18 and 19 year old boys, along with not trying to get killed themselves, when your only experience, in fighting a war is “Call of Duty”.

    So until you can manage to grow a pair and enlist, you have no right to pass judgement on someone who puts their life on the line, every day, to protect YOUR family.

    And Alan West along with everyone else in the US, is being railroaded.

    Why should a candidate, the board of elections or even the state have the right to stop a recount when so many “mistakes” have already been found?

    We citizens are entitled to one vote, one person. We are the ones who need to be satisfied, that we are getting exactly that. And, when so many problems and mis-counts have already been found, there are still a large number of voters who definitely not satisfied.

    Somewhere, along the way, the administrators and middle-men involved in conducting these elections, took all the power and importance away from the millions of voters and transfered it to themselves. We are the ones who should be satisfied the way an election is administered, not these government secretaries.

    If you’re happy that the St. Lucie board of elections did a complete, honest and fair job, than maybe, in the next election, you should just have them determine who your next Congressman is, and not even bother to vote. Because you obviously don’t care if it counts or not.

  • crosshr

    As many of you and around the country feels, the recount may go either as long as we go to bottom of this swamp and drain out all silts and residue that should not inhibit elections.

    West is one with fearless spirit that will hunt down clowns like these thugs and not think twice of politically correct taunt from left and Rinos

  • deeme

    The real racism facing our nation is that of conservative women and conservative men of all races…Mr. West see’s evil and is confronting it..Just the fact that they admitted the count was wrong proves something needs to be fixed with the whole system..How many other races were counted wrong?? This is pitiful..we live in modern times and can’t get the count right..

  • white531

    In this current environment of voter fraud, voter intimidation, and the seeming inability to find ordinary Americans who can count the votes cast, I am fast coming to the conclusion that the Progressives and Communists among us, are in favor of doing away with the election process entirely.

    The re-election of Obama was a charade. We all know that. We saw Ohio, we saw Pennsylvania. He got 99% of the vote. In most counties, Romney got zero votes. Zero!

    I hope I don’t have to remind you, that is statistically impossible. In most elections, if a candidate gets 65% of the vote, that is about the best he can hope for. Think about that for a moment.

    The voting process in America right now is a joke. I don’t believe in it anymore. I don’t think you do either.

    I love you guys. I come here each evening to see what you think. I don’t watch television. You know that. It is sad that we are such a minority.

    I only mean that, in the sense that we come here and talk about it. Conservatives are the majority in this country. They are just too quiet about it. I wish more of them would engage.

    I had a few other things I wanted to say, but long posts get boring. That was the main thing on my mind.

    Voting is a simple process. You register to vote. You go to your polling place. You produce identification to prove you are an American citizen, and that you are registered to vote.

    You, and your neighbors who have gone through the same process, vote your choice. Someone then counts those votes. Did I miss anything? Silly question, because I didn’t miss a single, damned thing. Yet we have all these mysterious votes that appear out of nowhere, to elect Progressive Candidates. Doesn’t ever seem to happen with Conservative Candidates.

    Unless we get a handle on voter fraud in this nation, there is simply no reason to go through the process. That is my Rick Santelli rant for the evening.

    • sDee

      One Vote. One Day.

      Anything else serves only fraud.

    • Patriot077

      Good rant, white! It is surely amazing the things they will do to stack the deck. Hard for good, honest people to even contemplate. And this is why they win elections and the game of verbal dodge ball. Their comments are just as over the top as their voting habits.

      But we know their game now and it is past time to quit being polite about it. We need to shine a light on every single instance of fraud we learn about and get busy making sure the next election has more integrity. They are stealing our birthright with fraudulent votes and unenforced immigration laws. Tom Perez is now talking about enhancing voter registration through automatic registrations obtained from the various databases. Just because you have a name doesn’t mean you are a qualified voter. Where will it end if we don’t stop it? The Republicans better get themselves up to the task also or they will never win another election.

      • white531

        I agree with what you say, Patriot. I just don’t know if its possible in the current political environment.

        Don’t get me wrong. I do believe in the American people.
        I just don’t know which ones to believe in anymore.

        We have become so diverse, as a nation. We are no longer one body of people who believe in Freedom and the tenets of that Freedom that our Founders believed in.

        We have evolved. Those words choke in my throat, but that is the reality. I have always been one to support reality, rather than fantasy.

        In our belief of Freedom for all of mankind, we have enemies. You wouldn’t think that possible, but there it is.

        The Communist Party is alive and well. Muslims hold prayer meetings each day to rejoice their eventual taking over of America and the rest of the world.

        The reaction to that activity, by the average American, is to watch television, have another beer, and check the latest football scores.

        Most of them have no idea, that their President is both a Muslim and a Communist.

        If you wonder why I sometimes get maudlin and seem depressed about our chances for succeeding as a free nation, you just need to spend a little more time reading about what is happening in the world.

        It’s not a pretty picture.

        • sDee

          The reaction would be strong and fast if the ignorance of the American citizen were to be corrected, but that would require reversing the intent and purpose of the entire global media machine, both political parties, and a significant cross section of our churches, who are all intent on preserving ignorance.

        • Patriot077

          I completely understand, white In fact today I was talking to my sister and wondered aloud would I have been better off not knowing what is going on. I spend too much time reading about everything that is happening and if I didn’t have my son and grandson to keep me fighting I would just lie in bed and eat bon bons while I read novels. I can’t remember the last novel I read … The knowledge that the young people are essentially clueless lies very heavy on my heart because they think its the ravings of an old woman. I have to admit that the sheer volume of inconceivable legislation and dirty tricks makes any discussion sound fanatical.

          It is good that we have a place to vent among people that understand the utter depravity that we are witnessing.

          Keep your chin up and your Bible near at hand.

          • white531

            “It is good that we have a place to vent among people that understand the utter depravity that we are witnessing.”

            Patriot, you have no idea of the meaning of those words to most people who frequent this site. It is the reason we come here each evening.

            My normal work day requires that I engage with not a small number of Liberals. They can’t be avoided, Tucson is full of them. Thanks in no small part, to the University of Arizona, which takes up most of the landscape here in Tucson. The Liberal hot bed of Arizona.

            I can’t really talk to any of these people. They might as well be from Mars. Even so, I consider some of them to be friends. I just can’t talk politics with them.

            I think Scoop means the same thing to me, that it means to most of us. Its like an English pub. A place where ordinary people gather around a warm fireplace, among friends and share a pint and discuss what happened today. At least that’s what it is to me.

            • Patriot077

              I can relate. I’m in a very liberal viper’s nest too. Can’t talk politics and I don’t watch Desperate Housewives or Dancing with the Stars. So for the first time in my life I’m really not looking forward to Thanksgiving with a whole houseful of clueless people who don’t want to hear anything real.

              I think I’ll spend most of the day playing with my grandbaby who loves me even if I voted for Romney and a Republican governor! 🙂

    • jana01

      Very well stated. I think much of the cable and network programming on TV has become a form of indoctrination by the progressives. Some is obvious, some not so much. There are also many other subtle ways conservatives are being shut down and silenced in the election processes. We need to be speaking out more on a regular basis and suggesting that those who share our conservative values wake up and pay close attention to what is happening. Then take some action by doing something about it. I disconnected my TV when I discovered that the using the mute button did not keep the trash out of my home. Not a big thing but at least I’m not just going along anymore.

  • What in Hades is wrong with Floridians, anyway? How did we get to this point? What sort of moron would vote for Murphy–I guess the same that voted O-bumf**k

    • tinlizzieowner

      The east coast of Florida is full of northeastern ‘transplants’ who moved down here to get away from paying ‘their fare share’ of the taxes they voted in for everybody else in NY, Mass. etc. to pay. Over here on the gulf side, things are a lot more conservative. If Col. West had been running in Sarasota county, he would have won by a landslide.

    • sDee

      “A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”

      “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

      ― Alexis de Tocqueville

    • chatterbox365

      No offense to the Floridians, but that state is becoming more and more like California.

  • marmo43

    if this can happen at state level it most assuredly happened nationally also. i am angered by the deceit of obama and the democratic party…they just don’t have any integrity at all.

    • toongoon

      Neither of the parties have any integrity. They both need to go and several members belong in prison.

  • It’s not the voter that counts… it’s who counts the votes….

  • white531

    At this point in our history, we are a divided country. Make up your mind, which side you are willing to support.

    The outcome is anybody’s guess. I hope it works out that we remain a free country.


    The problem is the illiterates and/or thugs counting the votes. (as per 0 man’s instructions). And we all know what they are. Why don’t we just make 0 dictator, like he “dreams” of and get it over. He’s pretty much doing that anyway:-(

  • funkybarfly

    To quote that guy from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest:
    “It stinks,it stinks,it stinks”


    I cannot believe this is going on. I am so tired of cheaters getting their way

  • Constitution Lover(underconsta

    this link was evidence of O campaign to push West out of campaign a MUST watch: http://t.co/i0wJLnx sickening

  • Sandra123456

    We need a standardized cheat proof way of voitng for the whole nation,(those old mechanical lever machines come to mind), and we all need to vote on the same day, a share experience. Only exceptions, military personnel and the very elderly and the very sick which would be write ins.

    Paper ballots and computers allow for cheating.

    • sDee

      Assuming that the security problem can be solved to ensure one vote per citizen, there are many places to cheat: vote recording, collection, counting, and reporting.

      If there is no means to ensure recount of the original ballots, the entire process must be considered compromised at all times.

      There must be one, and only one, physical (non-digital) ballot produced per validated registered voter, in advance. NO EXCEPTIONS. If absentee voting is allowed, that unique single physical ballot must be forwarded.

      No matter the means of collection, a permanent (non-digital) record of each physical ballot with the voter’s verification (e.g. signature or passcode) must be captured or the votes can never be recounted or certificated with any integrity.

      Notice that all our so called modern voting procedures are designed to move us away form these basic precautions.

    • wesmorgan1

      I agree, but I think that the opposite approach–more time to vote–would actually yield better results. I think that part of the problem (and much of the suspicion) comes from the fact that we’re trying to process 120 million votes in a relatively short time.

      If we opened up early voting, I think we’d get MORE people to vote (how many more people would vote if they didn’t have to leave work to do it? Let them vote on Saturday!), but they’d do so with less rush, shorter “crunch time”, and more opportunity to get it right (fewer provisional ballots, which usually crop up because of last-minute snafus).

      On the mechanical side of things, I completely agree with you; we need far better accountability in that process. Personally, I think that the machine should take your votes, the time of day, the voting machine #, etc. and come out with a hashed numeric representation of your votes. The machine prints that on a slip, and the voter walks directly to a “confirmation station” where they scan that hash value and see their vote immediately. Any problems/discrepencies could be addressed before the voter leaves the polling place; the election official could void the ballot immediately, and the voter could get back in line and vote again.

      There is no perfect process to handle voting on this scale, but we can certainly do better than the mishmash of procedures and equipment we have today.

  • Learnedsmtn2day

    Cant West just run for president !!!!!!! after he obliterates these cheating, lying, win at any cost Democrats of-course.

  • Cong. West, keep up the recount. I would be willing to bet that the voting machines were rigged, just like they were for the presidential election. Don’t give up. There is news all over the internet that Obama won by fraud.

  • Steve B


    After successfully getting the state to recount the votes in St. Lucie County in Florida, Allen West is now losing by an even wider margin than before – but he still won’t concede.

    On Sunday, Democrat Patrick Murphy declared victory for the second time after the county filed the results of its recount, though it missed the noon deadline because of a problem uploading the results from one precinct. From the Palm Beach Post:

    Preliminary numbers released around 2 p.m. by the St. Lucie County board showed Murphy with an even greater lead, with 65,841 votes to West’s 52,704. When those results are added to the final tallies in Martin and Palm Beach counties, Murphy’s lead increased to 0.65 percent.

    West still hasn’t conceded, and his team is considering what legal options it has left to pursue.

    “It’s time for Allen West to do the right thing and concede,” said Murphy’s senior adviser, Eric Johnson.

    “As usual, Murphy’s people are full of garbage,” Tim Edson, West’s campaign manager, said. “This is something the secretary of state and governor will have to sort out.”

  • Patriot077

    A recent update from legalinsurrection indicates the West campaign sounds less optimistic and are now awaiting the audit report. The exciting part of the article is the commentary about Allen West being “unleashed”. Yes!


  • jrt1031

    The democrats have control of the illegal vote and can now make or break any election they want. They can come up with any number they want as we have seen. This is the consequeses to electing BO to his first term. The people that voted for West need to petition to see the results of their votes. The democrats need to get caught and the proof are all the voters that voted for West. There is no way that the citizens of these counties voted for an in-experienced 29 year old arrogant democrat over this 51 year old decorated serviceman. It is impossibe.

  • wtd

    I just received an e-mail from West stating he is conceding. . .quote:

    “… “While many questions remain unanswered, today I am announcing that I will take no further action to contest the outcome of this election.”. .. “While a contest of the election results might have changed the vote totals, we do not have evidence that the outcome would change. Given the extremely high evidentiary hurdles involved in a successful challenge, I will not ask my generous supporters to help fund a drawn-out, expensive legal effort with little chance of success. Therefore, we will not contest the certification or challenge the seating of Congressman-Elect Murphy.
    Serving the people in the House of Representatives has been among the highest honors of my life, but this seat does not belong to me, or for that matter, to any individual. It belongs to the people. I want to congratulate my opponent, Patrick Murphy, as the new Congressman from 18th Congressional District. “

    I take comfort in this man’s integrity and pray his wisdom in this decision opens doors to even bigger opportunities to right this ship.