By The Right Scoop


UPDATE 2: From Mark Levin just now:

While I oppose the immigration bill, given the border-security issue and Obama’s record of non-enforcement, among other things, I regret linking to a post that refers to Senator Rubio as a slick used car salesman. He is earnest and thoughtful and deserves much better. He loves his country and means well, unlike too many politicians. There are slick used car salesmen on Capitol Hill, many come to mind, but Rubio is certainly not one of them.

Also, while I’m on the subject, there are bloggers, columnists, and radio hosts who will personally trash Rubio because they think that shows how tough they are on illegal immigration or how conservative they are. Actually, they are pretenders. Most of them have done nothing on this issue or for the conservative movement. Landmark Legal Foundation has been involved in every recent, major piece of litigation against the Obama administration involving illegal immigration, including assisting Arizona in its defense of its law and borders. We went all the way to the Supreme Court. I don’t recall any of these “tough” guys and gals behind their computers and microphones lifting a finger. None of them. Talk is cheap, and many of them are frauds.

UPDATE: Mark Levin tweeted this out this morning:

The link goes to a site that describes Rubio’s interview with The Great One like this:

Rubio talked fast, like a slick used car salesman, but sounded nervous at times, and also didn’t make sense at times (such as when he talked about how Americans wages are being depressed — blatantly ignoring how his amnesty scheme would flood the labor market and drive down Americans wages even more). But Rubio obviously has pro-amnesty talking points down pat about E-Verify (but neglected to mention the long phase in period for this) and other things. And of course, Rubio neglected to mention the big loopholes in his amnesty bill.

I hope this clears up any ambiguity for some of you who confuse Levin’s objective demeanor during the interview as support for Rubio’s plan. In the interview Levin only had a few minutes to ask questions and if he spent the time ‘ripping’ Rubio, he wouldn’t have been able to elicit the same answers that many of you are using to challenge Rubio.

Mark Levin had Marco Rubio on his show tonight to discuss the immigration bill and, among other things, explain why we should trust this president and his administration to carry it out once it’s passed. But there were many other questions that ranged from the size of the bill and the legislative process to the legalization process and what all that entails.

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  • OneThinDime

    There is NO BORDER SECURITY, NO BORDER ENFORCEMENT AND NO RIGHT OF AN AMERICAN TO SUE that the border is not secured.

    • Wiggy111

      OneThinDime Where was the negotiation?  The 4 Republicans in the gang got absolutely nothing in return for a bill that grants amnesty to tens of millions and turns us into a state of perennial de facto amnesty.

      • OneThinDime

        Wiggy111 OneThinDime There are ZERO Republicans in the GangBanger8. They are all Democrats and Progressives! Rubio is pushing this so darn hard there has to be money in it for him.  See my other posts about he and Jeb Bush cashing in.

  • OneThinDime

    What is this I I I I Rubio? Did you pick up that habit from Obama?

  • OneThinDime

    Oh there are plenty of people to help people figure out how to comply with the law. That’s right.  OFA people will be paid to help them.

  • kssturgis62

    I love Mark Levin. I respect him, But Rubio is selling a bill of goods that stinks. READ THE CONSTITUTION – Marco says he knows it, but he is NOT beholden to the USA. I am so glad so many people have woken up to the type of person he is, and what he is all about. I am so glad I get to make sure in three years, that Marco’s name will not be the top POTUS nominee in 2016, and I will work very hard to make sure people know who and what he is and what he is about. It is bad enough they give him credit for Standing with Rand, and HE DID NOT DO THIS !! 
    Rubio LIED, straight up lied. HE wasn’t duped, He wasn’t roped into this, HE WROTE THE BILL. He dipped his HANDS IN THE WATER WITH SATAN HOPING FOR  A FREE RIDE AND HE ISN’T GETTING IT. 
    What he is pushing and shoving in our face is Treasonous in My Book .
    Constitution: Section IV: Section. 4. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;
    Amendment X:
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
    Amendment XIV: Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    I LOVE HOW HE SAYS THERE ARE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES TO ELECTING THE WRONG PEOPLE TO CONGRESS< HEY RUBIO YOU WERE ONE OF THEM – A VERY VERY BAD CHOICE !!!

    • JangoBear

      kssturgis62 Yep.  Really disappointed in how Mark said that Rubio has integrity.  He’s a snake oil salesman and needs to stopped right now.

    • OneThinDime

      kssturgis62 Bingo!  And Rubio’s 800 page bill has a provision that says the gov’t cannot be sued if the border is not secured, even if the gov’t admits as such.   To your point Constitutional violations.  I can’t wait for Ted Cruz to dissect the heck out of this bill

    • deTocqueville1

      kssturgis62 Thanks.

  • OneThinDime

    Why is Levin covering for Rubio again?  This bill is massive amnesty, it provides for no border security, grants amnesty immediately and strips Americans of their rights.

  • OneThinDime

    Ooooo Rubio, e-Verify is mandated. Here’s a hint little boy, the Welfare Reform Law required work until Obama struck it illegally by Executive Order.  
    The states cannot seal the border, the DOJ sued the states. 
    There are consequences for electing bad people to office and you are ONE of them Rubio.
    Listen to how quickly Rubio is talking, he is running and spinning so darn fast that his lies are running in front of him.

  • applepie101

    If ICE won’t enforce the immigration laws we already have, what makes them think it will enforce any new immigration laws?

    • OneThinDime

      applepie101 ICE has been ordered to stand down. That won’t change. Rubio is doing this for self-serving purposes. Race over country.  He is also an attorney and smells the money paid by the taxpayers to process the illegal aliens’ paperwork.

      • deTocqueville1

        OneThinDime applepie101 Sadly true. At least apparently for political dreams of voter favor.

  • Keyes

    All e-Verify does is provide cover to employers. Illegals are paying for stolen soc. sec. numbers. No one checks to see if they are stolen.

    • OneThinDime

      Keyes e-Verify is useless.  It does not tell us the person has 15 active employment situations in 10 states.

  • Lkoneal

    Well, I have my concerns too.  But if you are going to say, well Obama and the congress just won’t enforce the law like they are doing already–guess we can’t do anything about anything.  That’s the point of saying elections have consequences.  Raise a ruckus when our laws aren’t enforced and raise a ruckus with friends and acquaintances that don’t vote cuz it “doesn’t make a difference.”  It does make a difference.  If we follow your logic, we may as well sit back with our hands folded for the next four years ‘cuz how are we going to make sure any law is enforced or that future Congresses won’t change them??

  • OneThinDime

    From Lamar Smith: Worse that they thought, legalizes relatives (100 million) and those previously deported. http://cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/rep-lamar-smith-immigration-bill-worse-we-thought-legalizes-relatives-and

    • Wiggy111

      OneThinDime Documentation required will be left up to Nappy and will be so lenient that a note from your Mom will probably suffice as proof of residency and employment.

      • OneThinDime

        Wiggy111 OneThinDime Here’s one fear, the gov’t will put the burden on businesses to document what was paid to the illegals and then the gov’t will fine the business and shut them down for hiring illegals.  The whole thing is massive amnesty without solving anything. Rubio is in this for other reasons. Jeb Bush is an immigration attorney in AZ……

      • Keyes

        Wiggy111 OneThinDime 
        Documentation wouldn’t matter. 100 million third world parasites and our country will be gone.

  • KatyButler

    Rubio has no understanding (or has been co-opted) of the simple fact that no matter what is in this bill. the current admin WILL NEVER ENFORCE any provision in it.
    Rubio disgusts me!! Absolutely DISGUSTS me!! How could he possibly think SCHUMER or Napolitano would people he could trust? How can he not see that in “5 YEARS” the dems will hold every office by way of illegal votes and this bill will mean nothing!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Wiggy111
      • KatyButler

        Wiggy111 KatyButler YAh. Levin was a pansy on Rubio. Disappointed in Levin too. This bill is CRAP!!

        • deTocqueville1

          KatyButler Wiggy111 Sadly true.

    • OneThinDime

      KatyButler Spin it around, what is Rubio getting out of it?  He’s an attorney.  Jeb Bush is an attorney…..ding ding attorneys have to process the illegal aliens’ paperwork at the taxpayers’ expense. Guaranteed millions.

    • deTocqueville1

      KatyButler Rubio is a Bush shill. Furthermore he is dangerous because he is not very bright.

      • Amjean

        deTocqueville1 KatyButler That is my take on Rubio too.
        I think there are many politicians people supported because they talked a good game; then when elected failed to deliver on their faux principles.  Many of us supported a candidate because he/she was the opponent of someone that was despised.  That is how we got Rubio I believe.
        Now, thanks to the internet and social media every move/bill/vote they make can be scrutinized.

    • kssturgis62

      KatyButler he hasn’t been Co Opted, he hasn’t been duped, he hasn’t been punked or put out there to fail by the Democrats. he did this to himself plain and simple. 
      this was his plan from the beginning, he is a liar, not a man of character, and he did it in Florida for years.

  • uncmetsgal

    I’m torn between being furious and absolutely devastated.  My money went towards electing Rubio in 2010, so I’m furious that THAT is what it bought me.  At the same time, with the majority (anymore!) of our own party siding with our political enemies time and time and time again, how can there ever be ANY hope of restoring us to limited, constitutional government???  And that’s devastating.  :(

    • KarlRogue

      uncmetsgal think you feel bad?
      I supported Pat “One and Done” Toomey for Senate.
      Live and learn. Never again, for either of them.

      • OliviaHT

        KarlRogue uncmetsgal I sent Rubio $ too. DeMint was a big supporter of his; and I did not do my homework. Shame on me. But Rubio and Toomey are now on my s**t list, where they will remain until the voters of Florida and PA relieve us of their noxious influence.

        • Keyes

          OliviaHT KarlRogue uncmetsgal 
          RUBE-io lied. When he was running he said NO to amnesty. Crist was horrible and flat out said he supported amnesty. RUBE lied, lied, lied.

    • deTocqueville1

      uncmetsgal Be furious.

    • applepie101

      After many such disappointments, I came to the conclusion that there is no hope of restoring constitutional government through the republican party. The hope lies outside the political parties, in us. Meanwhile, I want Ryan, Rubio, Boehner, and Co. to know that due to their antics, I will not vote for any republican in any election anywhere ever again. I encourage constitutionally-minded candidates to shun the 2 big parties and run on a third party ticket, or as independent. You’ll get a lot of the mad-as-hell vote. But quit the republican party first.

  • Duane Hardy

    I used to like Rubio but I always thought he was under experienced…now I am taking a second look..I don’t really care for his politics…it’s kind of wishy washy BS

    • deTocqueville1

      Duane Hardy Inexperienced. I guess. A BSer, yes.

    • Keyes

      Duane Hardy 
      I personally don’t care for his treason.

  • Duane Hardy

    Anytime you need 800 pages to explain something it’s 800 pages of BS

  • stage9

    Wait a second….he just got through saying that many of those currently in the country illegally are here because their visas expired and they simply never renewed them. But now he’s making the argument that under HIS plan, they’ll have to pay a fee for a renewable status that allows them to work in the country, but it expires.
    Um, isn’t that called a visa??
    And second, what makes you think they will be responsible enough to renew THAT status if they weren’t responsible enough to renew their visa???

  • StandWithAZ

    SOOOOO disappointed in my radio hero Mark Levin for continuing to give the RINO phony Rubio a pass!

    • zalmanblau

      StandWithAZ The only RINO’s in the republican party are those on this blog. Wake up and smell the coffe… moste conservative republicans support Marco Rubio and his bill.

      • billma40

        zalmanblau StandWithAZ 

        How can you say most conservative republicans support this bill?  Most republican conservatives haven’t seen this bill yet.

        • zalmanblau

          billma40 zalmanblau StandWithAZ And how can you criticize a bill you claim nobody can see. If you want to play the ‘gotcha’ game, no problem. You know what i meant – most conservatives support Marco Rubio and his ideas on Immigration reform – yes, i’m talking about most that know him.

        • toongoon

          zalmanblau
          Simple. If you can’t see what’s in the bill you don’t pass it. If they still try to pass the bill you criticize it until they expose it. 
          Passing bills that aren’t giving advance time to scrutinize it is a “gotcha” game on the American people. Obamacare is the perfect example.

        • toongoon

          BTW. Supporting Rubio doesn’t mean he gets a pass on everything he wants to do. That’s just stoopid.

        • OneThinDime

          zalmanblau billma40 StandWithAZ It was only published today.  Conservatives are working not sucking off the gov’t teat.

        • OneThinDime

          Did you hear Toon, the Roofers Union is telling Obama to repeal ObamaCare now :)

        • toongoon

          OneThinDime  
          I DID! I hope it starts an avalanche. Everything Obama touches turns to crap. His gun control bill failure today is another great example.

        • deTocqueville1

          zalmanblau billma40 StandWithAZ BS, everyone can read it and it is an absolute abnegation of the Constitutional principles relating to the rule of law.

        • Keyes

          zalmanblau billma40 StandWithAZ 
          Reform means improvement. This is sedition.

        • Zalman770

          toongoon zalmanblau You know, I agree with you, but so does Marco. Right now it’s still at the idea stage. They’ve said that the’ed give enough time for the public to review it.

        • BS61

          @zalmanblau – The only gotcha game being played is by the GOP.  They swore that they were better than Dem’s and would never submit 1000 page bills.

        • OneThinDime

          BS61 Smaller type to make it 800 pages :)

      • OneThinDime

        zalmanblau StandWithAZ Looks like you created an ID simply to post here.  Guess what, I captured your IP, sending it to ICE.  You think they can trace fast in the Boston bombing, knock knock.

        • zalmanblau

          OneThinDime zalmanblau StandWithAZ I got your too. Sending it to DHS.

        • OneThinDime

          zalmanblau OneThinDime StandWithAZ Nice try.  I’m behind numerous firewalls routing around the world.

        • Keyes

          zalmanblau OneThinDime StandWithAZ 
          DHS eh? BIG Brother? I figured you worked for o.

      • Martin2717

        zalmanblau StandWithAZ Hello, Karl Rove.

        • zalmanblau

          Martin2717 zalmanblau StandWithAZ Hi, Todd Akin.

        • deTocqueville1

          Martin2717 zalmanblau StandWithAZ Exactly!

      • harglide

        zalmanblau StandWithAZ Why are there so many ignorant tree huggers, and these one-time-posters, make a comment and not make another? Are they drones???
        This idiot, http://www.livefyre.com/profile/12339416/ is especially one that makes a comment, and no other and the rest of us comment, continue to coment, and, YET: NO….FLIPPIN…REPLY…jUST WONDERING HOW WE CAN SHUT THEM DOWN……..
        I mean I have challenged them, and made plenty of comments, but NO, ANSWERS!!

        • OneThinDime

          harglide zalmanblau StandWithAZ This troll is an illegal alien.  Like the Saudi terrorist, his time in the US is limited.

      • deTocqueville1

        zalmanblau StandWithAZ What complete BS. What rock did you crawl out from? Karl Rove, is that you?

      • Keyes

        zalmanblau StandWithAZ 
        Then they are NOT conservatives. A conservative is someone who wants to conserve the Constitution. This bill effectively ends the United States of America. No borders and anyone can come in.

    • OneThinDime

      StandWithAZ And they will all be voting1

    • OneThinDime

      And let’s not forget the tax credits they did for all of the family members in Mexico.  Avg is $26,000 each and we are already paying that for illegals. More crimes they are committing.

      • Wiggy111

        OneThinDime Is that loophole closed in this bill?  I doubt it.

        • OneThinDime

          Wiggy111 OneThinDime Nope! And when the 100 million are here, they all get to claim it!  America’s bankruptcy, courtesy of Marco Rubio

    • mike3e4r7

      That was my first reaction too, when I heard Mark introduce Rubio, but he kept his feet to the fire regarding his immigration plan.  Rubio sounded nervous and defensive.  I think he is starting to realize that people are starting to see the true RINO behind the conservative veneer (I have know idea why my font just switched to italics).  Mark was just giving Rubio enough rope to hand himself with.

      • deTocqueville1

        mike3e4r7 No, he kind of held his feet to the fire but he (Mark) really needs to wake up about this trojan horse.

        • OneThinDime

          deTocqueville1 mike3e4r7 I suspect this was Mark letting Rubio spew.  Mark will read the entire bill, will rant like hell and prepare the lawsuit because it violates the Constitution and take Rubio down to the little spoiled brat he is.

      • OneThinDime

        mike3e4r7 CTRL I changes to italics, CTRL B changes to bold.

  • Willie Heath

    Mark I love you man, but you have to get hip to this Rubio clown, he is a fraud and and an establishment pawn, dont be fooled, like Hannity is.

    • RighteousCrow_JustCaws

      Willie Heath 
      Keep listening to Levin; I think you’ll see that he’s not going to swallow anyone’s line.  Levin has a huge amount of experience in this area – Hannity is like a variety show in comparison.

      • deTocqueville1

        RighteousCrow_JustCaws Willie Heath I disagree, while Mark is critical, he should just go for the jugular.

    • deTocqueville1

      Willie Heath Yes.

  • Netmilsmom

    Um, so they can’t get benes for five years right?  How about their kids?  ADC, EBT and oh, then they drop and anchor baby and they are good to go.
    No Senator, this is very bad.  We don’t have the money for this.

  • Wiggy111

    This immigration bill is a disaster.  There is no guarantee of border security or enforcement.  All the triggers have loopholes so once legalization occurs it is on autopilot to citizenship even if democrats don’t hold up their end of the bargain.  It is quite possible that for the first few years there will be no deportations except in the case of violent criminals.  The bottom line is Rubio got nothing in the bill that will guarantee the border is secured and the rule of law will be upheld in the future.

    • OliviaHT

      Wiggy111 Obama has signalled, by his lawsuit against Arizona, among other things, that he has NO intention of securing the border. His intention is rather to create fear among residents of the southwest and to keep the crony spigot overflowing so that his cronies can in turn fill his campaign coffers. It’s really that simple. The fact that Rubio ignores this reality and seeks to make a “name” for himself by joining John McCain, the single-most despicable politician in the nation, in yet another effort to SCREW the middle and lower-income classes of America, speaks volumes about his own lack of character, minimal smarts, slight integrity, and puny principle. The quicker Florida dumps him the better.

    • OneThinDime

      Wiggy111 Obama and Nappy have already demonstrated they let the violent criminals out of the deportation cells when they don’t get a tax increase.  Obama also wants to make it easier for illegals to buy guns while stripping American citizens of their rights.  This is Obama’s brown army.

  • KarlRogue

    Mark, please stop giving this Amnesty Shill a platform.
    No one trusts him. No one.

    • deTocqueville1

      KarlRogue Yes, exactly.

  • strangernfiction

    If Mark didn’t tear this fraud to pieces this was a bad move by him. I gather from the comments that he didn’t.

    • limelite001

      strangernfiction RUBIO is a RINO. This bill gives amnesty before the border is secured – just like Reagan who signed thinking the Dems would keep their word. The bill also allows for family to come on in, so you can add at least another 100 million immigrants streaming into the country for their free stuff and to vote Dem. It also allows those who were previously deported to return to the USA. THIS IS A JOKE for America.

      • Amjean

        limelite001 strangernfiction  Good point…and, just how do we prove who is family and who is not?  What documentation would be required?  I predict there would be expanded family trees.

      • OneThinDime

        limelite001 strangernfiction The border is NEVER secured in this bill.  Nappy simply has to provide  a plan. The plan never has to be executed. American citizens are prohibited from suing the federal gov’t because the border is not secure even if the gov’t admits that the border is not secure.  So in the end, Rubio just made Americans targets of illegal aliens for robbery, child molestation, rape and murder because the gov’t cannot be sued for not protecting us (violates constitution).

    • deTocqueville1

      strangernfiction He did not. Mark skirted the issues and let this fraud off the hook.

  • deTocqueville1

    Mark is loyal to a fault. Examples are Paul Ryan and Rubio. Rubio did not answer anything except with deflective platitudes. So he, Rubio is saying that this Bill is a draft only. Why then did they not have all of these ‘important’ hearings before the ‘Bill’ was drafted and put forward. Come on Mark, stop the BS and take the gloves off with this fraud.
    Rubio just said that it is all everify. Nonsense, again a complete bait and switch. Mark, Mark, stop the cover for this guy. He is a complete ass.

    • Longiron

      He also is a big Orin Hatch fan for some reason and still trying to sell him as a Conservative. He has blinders on with Rubio and Ryan. He will get it sooner or later like he has done with Toomey. It took a gun control bill with the disgrace of WV but Levin finally got it. Give him some time.

  • westernhunter

    So Rubio say’s there are not entitled to benefits.  Maybe not welfare but they are entitled to food stamps for there kids, hospital emergency will have to see them, etc.  He say’s they have to have a job, what happens if they loose there job, are they deported, not likely.

    • OneThinDime

      westernhunter If they lose their job the former employer pays 99 weeks of unemployment for them joined by the working taxpayers.

  • Keyes

    Hey RUBE, giving them legal status and no citizenship is the best of both worlds…it will make it easier for them to get free stuff AND NOT buy health insurance or face a fine.

  • c4pfan

    Rubio is going on Michael Brown’s show tomorrow (Denver, CO radio show).

    • OneThinDime

      c4pfan I hope the illegals flood to CO now that it is more of a gun free zone than ever before. Teach CO to vote Dem

  • Laurel A

    This is crap.

  • mcgurn

    I’m not even going to listen to this sell out of America. Like someone said, Are these politicians working for us the legal taxpayers,or are they working for the illegals. I know what I think & it don’t bode well for the home team.

  • szary

    Sorry Dr Levin, but this IS a bunch of BS!! And it stinks just the same
    as a huge pile of BS! We all know it and you too should understand,
    Mark that this is just a sell out to the establishment. It all sounds
    good, verify this, wait for that, renew this and renew and check
    that……its all based on a premise that these folks came in here
    ILLEGALLY!!! Understand, they broke the law to get here, then we reward
    them with a legal status for breaking the law – its LUDICROUS!!! ITS A
    SLAP IN THE FACE TO EVERY PERSON (my grandparents included) WHO CAME
    HERE LEGALLY! Not only that, but if they disregarded our laws to get
    here, why do we reward them for that with this new legal status and also
    now think that all of the sudden that are going to obey these new laws,
    and secondly -they are all going to be voting for the food stamp
    democrap party till kingdom come!! WE LOSE, LOSE, LOSE DR LEVIN!! SEE
    THROUGH THIS BULLCRAP PLEASE SIR!!

    • Isaiah 54

      Yes – the leftists want to give amnesty to illegals.  Pay off people’s houses.  Pay off their loans.  Pay off their taxes.  Give them food stamps.  Give housing.  Give them jobs (if they want them).   Let them vote illegally – two or even ten times.  
      This is an OUTRAGE!!!!
      This is a slap in the face of hard working people who work their way through school, who pay their taxes, and their bills, vote only once and legally.   
      The leftists are insane with greed and live in total rebellion against GOD.

  • tinlizzieowner

    Rubio’s ideas all look good on paper but they always turn out the same way. The fence building and border restrictions never happen and the ‘amnesty’ always does. :-(

    • OneThinDime

      tinlizzieowner Remember, TLO, they just have to have a plan. There is NO requirement to actually implement the plan.

      • tinlizzieowner

        OneThinDime tinlizzieowner 
        Remember Bengazi? There’s been ‘a plan’ to beef up security, secure buildings, find reliable local troops (that’s a joke).
        Obama has come flat out and said that maybe we’ll get around to that, in a year or so.

        • OneThinDime

          tinlizzieowner OneThinDime There was a plan with the 1986 amnesty and look at how well that worked out. Amnesty for 3.5 million, including one of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers.

        • tinlizzieowner

          OneThinDime tinlizzieowner 
          Bingo! We have a winner. That’s exactly what I’m getting at. ;-)

  • tdaly

    I won’t listen to Rubio’s lies either.  They get free healthcare because of EMATLA and until thats overturned nothing happens and what makes Rubio and the Amnesty crowd think these people will come out of the shadows to pay a fine???  That’s right, they won’t!  If Mark Levin doesn’t start realizing Rubio and Paul Ryan are nothing but RINO’s will stop listening to him.

    • strangernfiction

      tdaly Levin, like many conservatives, is having trouble facing the tragic reality that DC is gone. National elections, and even moreso the GOP, are not the answers.

  • colliemum

    I think the Great One was giving Rubio a lot of rope with which to hang himself – and Rubio did oblige nicely. The way Mark Levin asked the questions, very calmly, did more to show up the holes in Rubio’s arguments than any rant would’ve done. 
    Being able to dazzle with cattle manure doesn’t cut it with Mark Levin, and Rubio is too stupid to notice that this wasn’t an opportunity to make himself look good again, but an opportunity for Mark Levin and indeed all here to prick Rubio’s balloon and let it deflate. Gently right now, but wait for the fireworks!

  • Matt2Matt

    Rubio is either delusional or an idiot.

    • OneThinDime

      Matt2Matt Rubio sees $$$, millions and milllions of tax dollars paid to lawyers to “help the illegals navigate the process”. Rubio is a lawyer.

  • fireme

    Hey Rubio, go back to selling ice cream you idiot!

  • fireme

    Foolbio says illegals get into car accidents because they don’t have a license and insurance. What?

  • ryanomaniac

    If this bill passes then I’m moving from Texas. Period. My cities demographic has changed. My city looks almost like a Mexican neighborhood. They buy a house in a nice neighborhood and then don’t take care of it. Trucks parked in the yard. Trash everywhere. Property values plummet and everyone moves away. Its disgusting.

    • OneThinDime

      ryanomaniac The illegal aliens LOVE TX and will turn it blue by 2016.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      ryanomaniac Ryan, when I first moved to Texas, I had to go into Dallas to the INS office to have my fingerprints re done and fill out a few more forms before I could get my permanent “green card”.  I left at 2 am so I could get there early as these places are packed.  Got there a little after 4 am (opens at 9) and there was already a line up around the building.  I finally got in at a little after 11 am, (they close the doors at noon) and got out finally at 4pm.  I was the only white person there.

  • ryanomaniac

    Rubio is a liar. I said this way back that letting all these illegals in this country would end up with them changing laws to suit their agendas. We see that that is exactly what has happened. Rubio is a liar. He is a liar. I don’t know what’s so hard about securing the borders first. What? There are baaaaadd  things going on behind closed doors.

    • OneThinDime

      ryanomaniac Rubio’s plan NEVER seals the borders either so rinse and repeat before Obama leaves office (if ever) as millions more flood in already signed up for foodstamps and registered to vote.

  • Swordfish

    I did not listen to the show. from what I have read, the claim is the illegals do not get benefits.

    Unless I am missing something, or the laws have changed:

    What happens when they have a child in the USA, can’t this child then receive benefits as a US citizen?

    • Longiron

      Can’t vote for 10 years will solve the problem immediately !

      • BetseyRoss

        Make it 25 and I’m in.

        • OneThinDime

          BetseyRoss Make it never.  We have Reagan’s 3.5 million illegals voting and bringing more and more illegal aliens here.

    • OneThinDime

      Swordfish Illegals can claim their family members in Mexico and receive tax credits. That’s not fixed.  No immigrant is permissible by law NOW to be a public charge, receive benefits yet the welfare, SSI, foodstamps are filled with them and Obama & Nappy are advertising foodstamp program in Mexico with our tax $$$. Check out my link at Heritage and take a look at the trillions this will cost.

  • MichaelSiag

    Rubio sounds like a blithering idiot,

    • volsense

      Rubio may be the youngest RINO in history. Usually takes at least two (2) terms before they sellout their constituents.  Maybe the Jeb Bush influence made him lose his way.

    • strangernfiction

      MichaelSiag He’ll become more proficient liar, just give him time.

  • Isaiah 54

    Immigrants or Insurgents?   Immigrants or Islamic operatives?   Immigrants or Invaders and Exploiters?  
    Why don’t our elected officials give a tinker’s dam about our nation’s and people’s integrith, security prosperity?
    Obama, Pelosi, Boehner, et al are corrupt opportunists and enablers of evil from abortion to gay marriage to crony felony theft and public endangerment. 
    Obama’s presidency has been one continuous stream of corruption, pillage and treason – http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/04/steve-emerson-saudi-national-to-be-deported-on-national-security-grounds-next-week.html.

    • john11111

      Isaiah 54 huge $$ penalties for employing illegals and they will self deport – at NO COST TO US.
      So simple and obvious, must be hard to comprehend by leftists.

      • OneThinDime

        john11111Isaiah 54Please stop blaming employers.  Yes some hire illegal aliens but the illegals have many scams going on using friends & relatives citizenship documents, stolen identities.  And the gov’t knows it! http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1303/130322boise.htm

        Yes, e-Verify needs to be fixed and utilized but if you blame employers for everything they will close shop and then what do you have.

    • Isaiah 54

      Why the heck is the Saudi ‘student’ being allowed to leave before the case is solved?   The photos of him and his two friends are as suspicious as any others being shown on the web.

    • strangernfiction

      Isaiah 54 Those three ain’t enablers, they’re the genuine article.

    • OneThinDime

      Isaiah 54 Saw somewhere the new term is “illegal invader” and I LOVE it!

  • EchoMike

    Anyone use the iPhine Podcast App to get Mark’s show?
    I haven’t gotten one in two days, and I’ve tried everything I can think of.

    • Mominnv

      EchoMike Go to Mark Levin Facebook page.  It explains everything.

  • Suzyqpie

    The people that we elected to represent us allowed Mexico, et al, to export their poorest, least educated, most disgruntled constituency to the USA. The taxpayers provide health care, education, food and assorted other “free” benefits from our smorgasbord of Free-For-Some menu. Dailycaller is reporting that we will also provide $50M to assist the immigrant criminals in navigating the labyrinth that the bureaucracy has provided as their Path to legal status. I suggest that if theses new Americans are not sufficiently motivated to navigate that bureaucracy like all of the rest of us do, they will not make good Americans. Dealing with the bureaucracy is a part of the deal of citizenship. I am beginning to think $10 lettuce would have been cheap.

    • OneThinDime

      Suzyqpie And a large chuck of that $$$ will go to lawyers. Rubio is a lawyer!  Jeb Bush is in AZ and is an immigration lawyer!  Anyone else smell some $$$ going to those boys?

  • OneThinDime

    From Jim DeMint at Heritage:

    “We are also a nation of laws. http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/17/read-the-bill-gang-of-eight-release-immigration-legislation/
    violates the very rule of law principle that creates opportunity for
    immigrants and makes America a beacon of hope for the world. Giving
    legal residency to the 11 million people who came here illegally has one
    definition: amnesty. Amnesty rewards unlawful behavior and diminishes
    opportunity and prosperity for lawful immigrants and all Americans.
    The Senate bill imposes significant costs on taxpayers. At a time of
    trillion-dollar deficits and $17 trillion in debt, the cost of
    implementing amnesty and the strain it will add to already fragile
    entitlement and welfare programs should be of serious concern for
    everyone.”
     http://blog.heritage.org/2013/04/18/morning-bell-jim-demint-on-the-senates-immigration-plan/?roi=echo3-15293950053-12341989-54e99a62ef74e2a49836c0a0385de2cf&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

    • deTocqueville1

      OneThinDime Great link. DeMint and Heritage doing the job of explaining this disaster waiting to happen.

      • OneThinDime

        deTocqueville1 OneThinDime Yup!  Didn’t realize my other link was so close to the top :(  DeMint has great quotes, especially on cost.

  • HillaryShackley

    I smell a rat in the kitchen, who’r we gonna tell?  I love that song!

  • HillaryShackley

    “Rat in the Kitchen”  a great song if you are the reggae type-

  • mikeinidaho

    Seal the damn border, TIGHT. After we verify that it is, indeed SEALED TIGHT, then we can begin to discuss a plan to deal with the ILLEGAL ALIENS that are already here. I like the idea of no benefits and no voting for ten years after declaring their intent to become CITIZENS. During that 10 years they must pay taxes and will receive NO benefits such as welfare or unemployment. They can be educated but they must pay school and property taxes just as the rest of us do. They can’t vote during that period, either. Did I miss anything?

    • sDee

      A foundational principle of all immigration law is that the foreign national who wishes to to enter the host country, applies for the paperwork in tha host country embassy in his/her own country. 
      If that principle is ignored, allowing the foreign national  to apply for paperwork (visa, workpermit, residency permit), in the host country it is prima facie evidence of thier criminality. They would have had to have enteedr illegally or have intentionally overstayed thier visa.
      So any plan that does not require the foreign national to return to their home country and apply at the US Embassy, is amnesty. 
      So, all that is required is to tell each illegal that surfaces, to scoot on back home and apply for a visa. Done, simple. Over with. 
      If they do not, arrest and deort. That is the law. 
      Any politician who says anything than above, is conning us.

      • OneThinDime

        sDee You ALWAYS have EXCELLENT posts on this topic, thank you!

        • sDee

          well thx!  
          I’ve learned that when something essentially simple, is made extraordinary complex, be prepared to sniff out the rat.

        • patriot077

          sDee And you are the master! One thing that I would love to hear them talk about is repealing chain migration and anchor babies. Neither is in our best interests.

        • OneThinDime

          patriot077 sDee Exactly!  And the GangBanger8’s plan expands chain migration!

    • OneThinDime

      mikeinidaho Although I appreciate your position let me tell you if you and I worked for cash, failed to file tax returns and pay federal taxes, the federal prison sentence runs 5 – 25 years.

  • Mokadoka

    Umm, so his plan is to double the fines to American citizenns and have jail time if they hire an illegal 
    Well this is odd.  If  I hire someone to move some dead trees from my yard, I have to go thru E verify before I hand him 50 bucks? or face heavy fines and jail time while the illegal is let go?
    Shouldnt the illegal be double fined and jailed then deported instead?

    • sDee

      bingo

    • UnCL3

      Mokadoka That would make too much sense for these fools…

  • kurtUSA

    Don’t we have enough people out of work or underemployed that we do not need to legalize 11 million more people, who have shown by their actions that they will not follow the law if it is inconvenient?  The argument about we need an alternative because, if we don’t the Democrats will get amnesty for them all is BS.  Why do the Republicans always have to move in the Democrats direction on every issue every time?   Isn’t it about time the Republicans took the offensive and start repealing some of the crap the Democrats and RINOs have passed in the last few years.
    They can start with repealing NDAA.  The illegal detention of anyone, including US citizens, on US soil they want for as long as they want for any reason with no recourse. Every time the Democrats want to compromise, the answer should be we will look at your compromise, but to show good faith you need to first repeal such and such unconstitutional act.  Once the NDAA is repealed, call us, until then don’t waste our time. I.e. no compromise and no talking to Democrats on any issue until unconstitutional acts like NDAA and Obama Care are repealed.  Period.  
    President is upset because according to him Americans want gun control and Congress is defying the will of the people, yet the unpopular and uncontitutional acts like the NDAA and Obama care he supports.  Then you have acts of Congress, like the Defense of Marriage Act, which are current law and they refuse to enforce.  No more laws passed or even considered, until they repeal the slew of unconstitional laws already on the books.  This will start getting our republic back.

    • deTocqueville1

      kurtUSA Excellent commentary.

    • OneThinDime

      kurtUSA Why yes we do have millions of unemployed (23 million) and on food stamps (48 million now).  500,000 stopped looking for work last month alone.  The illegals need to go, we need to hire Americans and stop the outflow of welfare and welfare-entitlement programs for the unemployed and illegals, and increase our tax revenues.

  • UnCL3

    NO new immigration laws.
    ENFORCE what’s on the books NOW.
    CLOSE the border!

    • OneThinDime

      UnCL3 Bring our military home, put them on the borders to supervise solid construction of the border walls, give them shoot to kill authorization.  Enough is enough.

  • ChesterSimms

    No discussion about people waiting for green cards, on visas, etc. 
    So having people pay fines and then go on and live their lives is like a green card.
    This is complete nonsense.
    Sorry.  It’s never going to work.

    • sDee

      I’ll work if the objective is to cripple our economy, overload our welfare system,undermine our sovereignty, and establish a permanent entitlement class of voters for the political elite.
      Yep. This’ll do it.

  • Wiggy111

    It’s not just Obama.  It’s all the democrats and RINOs that can’t be trusted.  The only guarantees in this bill are amnesty, an open border and more illegal immigration.

  • TwinMs_OneE

    The long term impact is frightening. Great article I stumbled on earlier:
     http://hoocoodanode.com/2013/04/09/still-wasting-away-in-obamaville/

  • deTocqueville1

    Thanks to Mark for coming down clearly in opposition. I was dissapointed in the interview but this certainly leaves no doubt for his listeners and followers on his position.

    • OneThinDime

      deTocqueville1 Levin has already walked his comments back and is praising Rubio again.

    • deTocqueville1

      Well, I spoke too soon. Alas.

  • OneThinDime
    • cabensg

      OneThinDime  Yes he does. Thanks for the link.

  • OneThinDime
    • sDee

      Rubio is worse than a slick used car stableman. Rubio is asking us to buy a phoney bleeding heart paid for by our national sovereignty and wealth.

    • sDee

      “Also, while I’m on the subject, there are bloggers,
      columnists, and radio hosts who will personally trash Rubio because they
      think that shows how tough they are on illegal immigration or how
      conservative they are.”
      ” I don’t recall any of these “tough” guys and gals behind their computers and microphones lifting a finger. ”
      So now Mark is defending the sedition of Rubio and trashing us!  I’ve had it with all of these establishment types. 
      This bill is amnesty – period. Rubio is lying. Levin is now defending him. If this is the politcal two-step  is not call out, much more tan  legal defense that will be needed to save this country will need – it will be  a revolution.

      The “solution” to the “immigration problem” is simple. Enforce the law.

      • OneThinDime

        sDee Thank you!  I too felt the slap across the face. I respect Levin but I take issue with his defense of Rubio with an amnesty bill that violates the Constitution!  Is Levin going to join the Rubio / Jeb Bush team and represent the illegal aliens?

      • cabensg

        sDee  I’ve never considered Levin infallable. He has his opinions and some I agree with some I don’t. I do not look to him for advice although I do get some valuable information but it’s nothing I can’t find elsewhere if I want to. Rubio deserves to be dissed in any way we deem appropriate. He is a traitor to American citizens and our country. I don’t care if it’s because of his prejudice for Hispanics, stupidity, inexperience or anything else. He’s wrong and it will hurt this country immeasurably he doesn’t deserve to be defended by anyone.

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      OneThinDime Thanks for that OTD.  I just left my 2 cents there.

    • stage9

      OneThinDime I have no problem with someone walking back their comments if it’s done sincerely. It’s the one’s that don’t that bother me.

      • OneThinDime

        stage9 OneThinDime Such an immediate walk back and then slams conservative bloggers!  Shame on Levin.

        • sDee

          OneThinDime stage9 Yes, backing off the used car salesman thing woul have been fine – easy to do stuff like that wiht socila media these days.
          But to then hammer others who are in a position to be more frank about Rubio  than Mark can afford to be, was very bad.

  • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

    I admit my attention was on about 50 different things last night so I didn’t get to hear the interview, but I saw the headline and was glad Levin was going to have it.  I know a few of us have seen Rubio as a rino for a while, so while this interview changes nothing for me as far as my opinion goes on him I hope others will look at him a little more closely.

    • Unionville

      AmericanborninCanada I was a Rubio fan until he started talking about immigration.  I just hope the GOP doesn’t try to promote him as a viable contender in 2016.  It will be Romney all over again.  Where are the true principled conservatives?  I’ve had my fill of getting my expectations up and having the rug pulled out from under me.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        Unionville AmericanborninCanada I stopped paying attention to what the GOP forces down everyone’s throats. Rubio, Christie, Jeb take your pick, will most likely be the front runners for the GOP the next go around.  
        I’m so tired of these people.

        • MontyRay

          AmericanborninCanada Unionville Exactly ABC.  You all are on the right track with the party you are promoting.  There needs to be a strong conversation at the top of the orgs like the various Tea Parties across the US about cutting their ties within the GOP.
          Hard to believe it will happen though since they probably couldn’t get all of their candidates that they have installed to move with them.  It would be a process that would roll slower than the deterioration that is already taken place.  I’m sure they have considered this and are looking for a smart solution?  One could only hope.

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          MontyRayAmericanborninCanadaUnionville We’re not a top organization yet, but we’re working on it. Check us out MontyRay
           http://cfp4us.org/

  • hrh40

    I wonder if Levin really understands that Rubio is a Bush client?
    I suspect Palin knows this and yet Ted Cruz mentioned Rubio’s name as someone Palin supported.
    Seems like Palin is trying to pull him out from under the Bushes patronage. Is Levin?

    • sDee

      Marco Rubio Bush.
      They are using him like a clay pigeon and will discard him after they recalibrate.

    • deTocqueville1

      hrh40 Good question but he sold his soul some time ago so ‘pulling’ is unlikely to work.

  • Jayrae

    Something stinks here!

    • sDee

      It is globalism. A slow rot.

      • Jayrae

        sDee Yes but that is not what I was referring to.
        I posted Levin’s link because #1, I could not imagine Levin backing away from a confrontation. I did not expect him to rant at Rubio in this manner. #2 it does also appear that somebody got to Levin since the posting. Both don’t make any sense. Very strange.

        • sDee

          That is what I was referring to as well. This amnesty bill was authored and being strong armed by globalists in our government and beyond,  who must undermine our sovereignty and economy. If they can buy Rubio they can certainly have a chat with Mark.
          Bush1 signed us on to Agenda 21.

        • OliviaHT

          sDee I do see that you get it, too, sDee. But it puts a really foul taste in my mouth to contemplate that Mark may have turned on us.

      • MontyRay

        sDee Is it really a slow rot anymore?  Seems to be getting rotten a lot faster this past decade.

  • EchoMike

    There is a majority of the American public that want the border secured first! So why not table this monstrosity, break it up. Start with a clean bill for securing the border, and campaign hard agaisnt anyone that opposes it. Then after that figure out how to go forward.
    The border must be secured first.

    • sDee

      Securing the physical border crossings  is insufficient. Some of the most troublesome illegals are here on overstayed visas.  
      Border security (hard and soft borders) is but one aspect of what is needed: immigration law enforcement.
      If all the elements of our existing immigration law are enforced, we remove the honey pot and the bears go home. Borders become easier to enforce – not harder.

      • OliviaHT

        sDee Everyone knows this; the problem is that powerful lobbyists, Chamber of Commerce, La Raza (just to name two), and their political puppets DO NOT WANT border security. Too many people benefit from porous borders, not the least of which are leftists for whom porous borders create an ongoing “need” for multiculturalism, diversity programs, the ever-increasing demands for equality (the great LEVELER), and so-called tolerance. The issue is a hornets nest filled with corrupters of historical American values — virtues. It is a direct attack on our nation coming at us from all sides.

  • MontyRay

    On reform, what have illegal immigrants done that merits rewarding?  taken jobs “that americans won’t do”?  Suck up state and federal benefits with fake SS #’s?  Sent money back over the border instead of feeding the local economy?  
    I’m not trying to hate here.  There are, I’m sure, very decent people who fall into this status who are just trying to make things happen for themselves and their family.  I just don’t understand why it is more important to assist them with their legal status than it is to secure the border.
    It seems, like all progressive legislation, we have to leave common sense behind and only act out on emotions.

    • MontyRay

      Not sure how to edit my own post, but the argument could be made that their labor has somehow made my food cheaper.  I’m not sure that those metrics will quite stack up against the inflation we’ve seen from energy costs and the falling dollar.  Just saying.

      • patriot077

        MontyRay I don’t have the numbers but “savings” Americans enjoy actually tamp down the labor rate for our own citizens. Anyone who supports amnessty is voting for reduced wages and salaries and higher rates of unemployment. The illegals can go home if they can’t find work. We are home already.

  • njmom

    Just secure the border!

  • stage9

    I may be a fraud, but I’m still not sold on Rubio.

    • Jayrae

      stage9 I’m not either especially since he campaigned in 2010 against amnesty. The youtube video exists.

  • Freedomswatch

    I am 100% against the bill.  My understanding after listening to Levin’s interview and reading his later comments is that he does not support the bill either but he thinks Rubio is sincere in his desire to do something on immigration. The current immigration bill is a Rubio deal breaker for me. I hate the bill and think that Rubio is totally wrong, but I think attacking him as a “slick car salesman” is what Levin has problems with. You usually don’t manage to persuade someone to revise their support for a bill or change the bill, by attacking their personal integrity.  I agree with EchoMike, start with a clean bill for securing the border only.  With the current climate and terror threats now may be the time to get border enforcement and security passed as a stand alone bill. Could the Democrats really refuse to pass a stand alone border security bill with the Boston bombings bringing terrorism threats back into peoples minds?

    • cabensg

      Freedomswatch My take is we don’t need to do anything about immigration. This is a false argument.
       Nothing will be done until Obama is replaced or we have control of the Senate to make him apply the laws in place. 
      It doesn’t matter what immigration plan is put forward at this time, nothing will be done that is positive or it would have already been done. Illegals could be being deported right now, they could be taken off of welfare right not, employers could be prosecuted for hiring them, right now, the border could be secured, right now. Green cards could be issued to those here legally, right now. 
      Just because Rubio and Demorats are yelling immigration reform doesn’t mean we need to buy into it. This is a phoney argument from the get go. As long as Obama and his administration is in charge nothing will be done no matter what law is passed.

      • publius69

        cabensg Freedomswatch I completely agree:  this is just like the gun bill or obamacare….the ends justify the means…rubio is a dupe or a willing ambitious politician

  • StevenValdez

    So you’re saying Rubio is not trying to sell us a lemon immigration bill? As it stands right now, I can’t support it and I say that as someone who has been in favor of a bill dealing with this issue, for me, the bill lacks enforcement and too many questions especially on border security, the entry-exit visa system, and how it fixes the legal immigration process. The only thing I don’t have questions about is the amnesty part of the bill, the amnesty part that Rubio is trying to redefine and sell it, is pretty clear.

    • Freedomswatch

      StevenValdez  Not sure if you were answering me Steven. I hate the bill. I’m not buying it, what I’m saying is that Rubio seems to be sincere.  You can be sincere and totally wrong, which I think he is.  I’m not for amnesty, in any iteration.

      • StevenValdez

        Freedomswatch Just to clarify for ya, my comment was towards the update#2 Mark Levin saying he’s not a slick used car salesman. I agree with you that does seem sincere but I feel he’s trying to sell us something..

      • cabensg

        Freedomswatch Sincerity is over rated. I prefer intelligence and honest protection of Americans and the Constitution. Does anyone doubt Obama sincerely wants to institute socialism with him as the head tyrant.

        • StevenValdez

          cabensg good point.

        • Freedomswatch

          cabensg Freedomswatch  My assessment that Rubio seemed sincere, was a counterpoint to those who referred to him as a “slick car salesman”. Stating that I believe him to be sincere, does not equate to any portion of support for this bill. I don’t think we need to alienate people by personally attacking them, instead of disagreeing with and trying to change their position. We may need his help on other votes down the road.

        • Laurel A

          Freedomswatch cabensg It’s not up to me to not alienate any politician. It’s up to the politicians to NOT ALIENATE ME.

        • cabensg

          Laurel A Sorry I could only hit like once.

  • LoJoFo

    Rubio talks too fast.  He must be trying to sell something….

  • cummingsamerica

    “Also, while I’m on the subject, there are bloggers, columnists, and
    radio hosts who will personally trash Rubio because they think that
    shows how tough they are on illegal immigration or how conservative they
    are. Actually, they are pretenders. Most of them have done nothing on
    this issue or for the conservative movement.”
    I have precious few followers so maybe Mark isn’t talking about me. I haven’t attacked Rubio personally but to me his support of this immigration deal — clearly amnesty without security —  puts him in the Not It group for POTUS. I think we’ve all come to learn that when we see “bipartisan” or “Gang of” we’ve had to duck, cover our wallets, and arm ourselves. Republicans and Democrats working together has come to mean less liberty for the American people.

    I also don’t see how having a blog and discussing illegal immigration makes us pretenders or frauds. I walked my local precincts, I was a delegate, I volunteered for Congressional and Senate campaigns (Joe Coors, CO, and Trevor Drown, AR). While I don’t have a legal foundation, how am I a pretender?
    As much as I admire Mark, I think he’s a bit defensive on this issue.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      cummingsamerica ” amnesty without security ”  That’s not what Rubio believes.

      • Laurel A

        WAKE UP! WAKE UP! WAKE UP!

        So what if that isn’t what he believes?! That is what the bill is!!! This bill is actually the same crap sandwich served in the 80’s. 
        Right now you remind me of the naysayers on Obamacare and they turned out to be wrong as well. Rubio is a shade of the same Senators that went along with that crap too.

      • cabensg

        Conservative_HippiecummingsamericaIt doesn’t matter what he believes. Look at the facts and judge for yourself.
        https://www.numbersusa.com/content/?jid=408620&lid=9&rid=79&tid=324698

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      cummingsamerica I was kind of offended at the same.  But then again, I don’t have that many followers yet either so not even a blip on the radar, but still doing my little part for trying to promote Constitutional Conservatism.

    • stage9

      cummingsamerica It’s OK to think for yourself. Levin has his opinion and that’s fine, but so do you. It’s allowed. Don’t sweat it.

      • DawgfanInFL

        Used to be able to agree to disagree without being labeled. I disagree with Rubio on this immigration issue. I think one voice has the ability to grow. I just enjoyed reading at first here at Right Scoop, but posters such as yourself ABIC, draw others into the conversation. You are a star in my book!

  • Conservative_Hippie

    I agree with Mark.

  • kssturgis62

    Rubio dipped his hands in the WATER WITH SATAN and is still Getting praised. HE WROTE THIS BILL, He did this. Wow How can you be on the Gang of 8 and NOT Get Credit for this, or Rightfully Called out on it. Come on This is getting crazy, it is AMNESTY, it is what he has done in Florida. It is what he is called to do and has wanted to do since he got to the Senate. He sold the Farm, he is Worse than a Slick Used Car Salesman. NO BORDER SECURITY for 10 Years, Free Phones and the list goes on and on. 
    So does that Mean Jeff Flake is sincere in this also. Does that mean when Rubio Voted for Brennan when Rand Paul had his Filibuster that was Okay Too !! 
    So Now you MUST GIVE TOOMEY A PASS ON GUN CONTROL BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD GUY AND JUST GOT SUCKED IN !!! 
    Enough is Enough, IT is time to call out these Bad Apples for who and what they are. Mark I respect you, But Rubio WROTE THIS BILL, HE sat there with all the Others, HE GETS FULL CREDIT AND WAS NOT DUPED, WAS NOT SET UP, WAS NOT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. HE WROTE THE BILL> IT IS HIS !!!

    • applepie101

      kssturgis62 , in your first sentence, you misspelled ‘Schumer’.

      • kssturgis62

        applepie101 kssturgis62 HAHAHAHA that is good really good !!!

  • MiltonBassHayek

    Oh, he’s definitely a “slick, used car salesman.” But I’m not buying the car. Let another chump ride off in that lemon.

    • deTocqueville1

      MiltonBassHayek Agree.

  • MiltonBassHayek

    Secure the damn border. Rev up E-verify, so we don’t have to personally deport these law-breakers. Kick all illegal children out of our schools. Also, figure out which freaking illegals are getting TAX REFUNDS! Like I said many times, SCREW COMPASSION! YOU ARE IN MY COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. DON’T LET THE RAZORBLADES ON THE FENCE CUT YOUR A@@ ON THE WAY OUT!

    • OliviaHT

      MiltonBassHayek The proper use of compassion is to take care of your own, build them up, nurture and support them in such a way that they are prompted toward a life of self-sufficiency and self-reliance so that they in turn may help others, especially those in their own family (a dirty word in the minds of leftists). It is not compassionate to use the power of the state to break down national sovereignty (and national security), promote disrespect for the rule of law, encourage theft — stealing into a country to take what does not belong to you. Compassion is when as a nation you promote a policy vis a vis your neighbors that encourages them to take care of their own.

  • Laurel A

    Matrco Rubio is showing his young and stupid side.

    As to Mark Levin, I like you, a lot, however what gives you the right to bully people in the name of another? People are allowed to describe their initial impressions of Rubio without you running interference. So what if Landmark Legal foundation went to court over illegal immigration. There are other fronts on this issue and this is still America and we still for the time being have a 1st Amendment and can voice our displeasure and disapproval. When you bully others you sound no different than Obama and the left, and make no mistake about it you were bullying non debating. And Mr. Levin…WHERE WERE YOU IN THE 80’S WHEN FIVE BORDER STATES WERE BEGGING FOR BORDER HELP AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY ‘DIDN’T SEE A PROBLEM’?!

    Yeah people I know it’s not popular to criticize the Great One, and he is a great one indeed, but he is wrong on this and the way he is handling it.

    • deTocqueville1

      Laurel A Completely agree. Mark engaged in a general ad hominem attack on Rubio’s critics and got on his high horse. We expect better.

    • applepie101

      I like Mark too, but we’re dedicated to principles, not personalities, so if a person strays into the target zone, they’re going to come under verbal fire. It’s heartening that so many here recognize that Rubio is a wrong guy offering a wrong deal, regardless of Mark’s opinion.

      • Laurel A

        applepie101 Well said!

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        applepie101 if you haven’t read some of the replies on Mark’s FB page yet, it’s amazing how many people are getting angry at us for being too “picky” about Rubio.

        • applepie101

          Good! That means we’re effective. As long as we see dangers that Rubio’s fans can’t see, it’s our responsibility to point them out.

    • LizRodgers

      Laurel A Good post and why is it that Levin and Rush keep covering for Rubio, with comments like he has integrity and he is a true conservative;when any other Republican who would push this would be scorned.  I have an idea but am wondering what you think.

      • Laurel A

        LizRodgers Laurel A Rush really isn’t covering for Rubio. The minute he hung up with him he shot down the bill. He said Rubio is a good guy, and I’m sure he, is but he IS ABSOLUTELY misguided on this issue. I’m a Californian. I’ve been there and done that with this issue. And Rush is absolutely right about the last amnesty turning California blue. I could write a book on it because I have witnessed it up close and personal. I’m living it. Rubio is soft peddling the good parts in the bill and not talking about the spending it will cost etc.

        Rubio is totally naive but at some point in time his naivete will cross into the land of scrupulously stupid. I’ve witnessed a lot of that in my life too.
        And ya know what I would be a lot more apt to support something if just one politician would acknowledge that we making a law once again to enforce the law (it reminds me of the phrase the war to end all wars) and once again the average American citizen who works their butt off, plays by the rules, obeys the law, is getting screwed. A little acknowledgement and honesty would go a long way. Instead once again we get bait and switch.

        • LizRodgers

          Laurel A LizRodgers But Rush went (somewhat) soft on him in the interview.

        • Laurel A

          LizRodgers Laurel A Rush doesn’t really interview. He lets them use his show occassionally when asked to get their message out. He will ask a few questions but for the most part they do the talking. He shot down the bill the minute he was done with Rubio.
          If you want Rush interviews subscribe to his newsletters. he does in depth interviews there.
          One thing about Rush, and I have known people that have met him and socialized with him that confirm this…he is polite! Even Bill Clinton called him polite. There is a reason Elton John did his wedding.
          However it doesn’t mean you will co-opt him either. I don’t expect Rush or Levin to hate Rubio. People can decide on that emotion for themselves. What I do expect is for them not to demonize them for their decison…ahem…Mark Levin you listening?

        • Soccer_School

          Laurel A 
          Ma’am you may not agree with me in my assertion that God exists in public schools, while disagreement is your right, I still sympathize for what your child endured.  As I wrote on the other piece, I was unaware of a similar situation at my high school long before my entry, and I’m sorry that your school did not respond in the same manner.  I read here that you are in California which I think is quite different from the Southeast.  I have attended some all star camps with athletes from CA high schools, and from our conversations it appears that those in Northern CA have more similar school experiences with me than those in Southern CA.  Admittedly, I am fortunate in that many of our school and community confrontational issues are able to be discussed and resolved locally as opposed to being transformed in public soap boxes.  
          However, I do agree with you on this point.  I might be ignorant or naive in your mind, but just because an individual is popular or in a high position that does not command my respect.  I like the Grahams because they have good thoughts, not because they are the Grahams.  Lesser known people can also have those same or even better thoughts.
          With politics and commentators, they will play for their respective audiences regardless of side on the ideological aisle because that is how they make a living.  I suspect that many are one person in public but act in an opposite manner in private.  Often the public character and private person are not the same.  I experience that all the time in athletics, and it doesn’t necessarily mean the change is bad.  My grandmother kids me that I never smile in competition whether it was soccer as a kid or football and baseball in high school.  Off the field, it’s hard not to laugh and smile.  I like your statement though that someone isn’t any different if using the same tactics, and it does not or should not depend on whether you agree with them or not.
           I would be hesitant to trust any human who endorses being referred to as The Great One.  No man or woman today has earned or deserves that title, and anyone who admires being called The Great One has a God like opinion of themselves in my opinion.
          I do disagree with you on some issues which I believe is natural and acceptable,  but I do agree with your position about bullies.  As I responded to the gentleman on that other topic, with my physical size and gifts from the Good Lord it would be easy for me to bully many people.  I may be wrong, but I believe that one of my Christian responsibilities is to try and stop the bullying of those younger, smaller, or weaker than I am.   Anyway good luck, and I can assure you even with my naivety that many bullies cower when confronted by confidence as they feed on insecurity.  Please remain confident.

        • Laurel A

          Soccer_School Laurel A This is my last word on this old topic. You are feeling and not thinking. I don’t care about your anecdotal evidence in this instance because I have court documented evidence to the contrary. I am in Northern California but I have lived all over this state. Unlike you I have won in court on this issue. Oh and that is in Nor Cal btw. Unlike you I have the documentation on this issue. And unlike you there are many many out there that have the same. Parents, students, and teachers alike have well documented in articles, periodicals, books, and court record of the effect and discrimination that goes with ‘kicking God out of the public square’. They have documented this from all over the USA.  The trouble is you have missed a lot in your education but you don’t know what you have missed…and that is okay. What is not okay is being so narrow minded as to not even consider that you may have missed a lot in your education. There is a reason so many Christians are continually ticked over this issue.

          And young man that is nice that you like the Grahams but you disrespected them in a post in an effort at discrediting me…so you have a funny way of showing ‘like’. That behavior also proves my point about what happens when God gets shoved out. Manners, rules, obligations, morality in general all go with God. Disrespecting someone in an effort to win a debate lacks morality. Take note I said ‘disrespect’ not ‘discredit’. And as to their good thoughts…yep, but remember all three have doctorate degrees in theology and philosophy and huge following as well as good actions that inspire that following. Success is the most important measure we have as a society. It is the proof to the pudding as the old saying goes. They are successful and you don’t doubt their sincerity. As a matter of fact they are of the very few in my life that I haven’t ever doubted their sincerity or integrity on any given day or issue.

          As to your commentary on Mark Levin and ‘the Great One’ title…it is a joke made by Hannity. Levin made a bully out of himself on this particular occasion but don’t get me wrong I still like the man. He is human. He is allowed a mistake or two. He certainly hasn’t established a pattern of tyranny unlike the left of this country. He isn’t a whack job. What he is is passionate…LIKE YOU! Dumping him because of one disagreement would be like me putting my child up for adoption or getting a divorce because they left their dirty dishes in the sink. As to playing to his audience..sure there is some of that because it’s called capitalism. No he isn’t different off of the air. That is one thing I will say for Levin. How do I know. My kid is at Heritage and has talked with him and attended his lectures, plus Mark Levin has a very well established career prior to the radio.

          I am impressed with you however that you have some moxie to put yourself out there and debate. That is how you learn but you must have some humility and learn to listen as well. I think your heart is in the right place but you need to learn a few things first and you need to understand how to build a point. For example…your use of anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence has it’s place but it is very limited and verifiable evidence trumps it…always. Now before you dismiss Mark Levin understand that he is a very educated man. I suggest you read his books. You could learn quite a bit that you have very obviously have not been taught. For example Men in Black will help you to learn how to build a foundation to an argument. Ameritopia will give you a crash course in Western Civ that you badly need. Don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.
          And lesson number one for you is to learn that information is not knowledge, and knowledge is not wisdom.
          I’m glad you disagree with me on some issues because it shows me you are at least trying to think. Now think about this. I live in California. What is California most known for in the culture? Decadence or Godlessness. We have rampant homosexuality, crime, drugs, hippies, etc. West Virginia doesn’t have that problem. So when a school or business in California hires what pool of people are they hiring from? The residents that perpetrate the homosexuality, crime, drugs, hippies, etc. When West Virginia hires what pool of people are they hiring from? Demographics make a big difference. So while you may not see the bend in the road know that I as a Californian, and a much older one at that, have already see that bend, gone around that corner and I’m coming up on the next one.

        • Soccer_School

          Laurel A Soccer_School 
          Ma’am in 4 years of playing football at a public high school, a prayer has  been said by a student from one of the participating schools for every single game from regular season through the state championship and before our state senior all star contest and a tri-state senior all star contest where the press and coaches chose me to play.  It does happen today whether you want to believe it or not.
          The more applicable question is did it exist in California before and if so why does it no longer exist?  Instead of discrediting someone younger and from another area perhaps consider the possibility that those before him and those around him today have managed to do something right in keeping God in their schools.  Just because your area succumbed does not mean others will in the same manner that because ours has flourished does not mean we cannot succumb.  
          Lectures and career are still public and not private, and you appear at least to place more importance on the messenger versus the message.  You cite college degrees in this post as great examples of knowledge, but in others college is only about indoctrination and thus not knowledge.   My take is that the message matters more than the messenger.  
          The old gentleman used a phrase on the original topic which is most applicable:  “take ownership.”  You chose not to respond.  In terms of philosophy, I’ll follow his example of edification is more powerful than deterioration and accept responsibility for my own failings instead of looking around and blaming everything else for the problems.  If the world has problems so do I as I am a part of the world.  As for my contention that people and not some entity are what might be the reason God no longer exists in the public square or school as you contend, it is sad to observe the low number of comments on that particular thread to the numbers on those concerning other topics.  As for fame, I’ll most likely be drafted in the amateur baseball draft this year.  As for college, I already have the options to attend a number of universities whether on baseball, football, or full academic scholarships.  Does that make me any better than any of my classmates.  Absolutely not in my eyes, but if packaging is more important than contents it sadly might to some.  I choose not to get wrapped in the packaging that I only have tunnel vision remaining.

        • Laurel A

          Soccer_SchoolLaurel AWhat part of the word anecdotal do you not understand? Yeah your school does it but thousands of schools across the country are no longer allowed to…AND YES ONCE UPON A TIME WE DID SO ALSO IN CALIFORNIA. You have forgotten the broader points I pointed out to you and it isn’t just not being able to say a prayer. I know it does happen in your school…BUT SO WHAT??? The real problem is that IT DOESN’T HAPPEN AS WELL! And by a majority that wish it to happen. That is tyranny by the minority and it is all too common.

          I did give you credit for keeping God in your school to one minor small extent that you do. I don’t give  a crap what your take is. I care about facts…and yes college does matter provided it is an education and not indoctrination. So far you haven’t demonstrated to me that you are anything but indoctrinated because I’m not seeing any critical thinking skills displayed. That is the key to an education.
          I didn’t read ‘the old gentleman’ and I’m not worried about what he said. I don’t care what example you follow, what edification you choose nor your ‘if the world has problems I am part of the world’ baloney. that is drama queen pablum trying to be passed off as wisdom. I AM OF THIS WORLD. There is a big difference. Your philosophy falls under that ‘collective salvation crap that I have absolutely no use for. I also never ever said people aren’t the reason God doesn’t exist in the public square any longer. Where do you get this stuff? Let me tell you, until you have had the beejeezus sued out of you and persecuted in public for practicing your religion then anything you say is arm chair quarterbacking and not very good quarterbacking at that. 
          As for fame and your academic career…WHAT IS YOUR POINT? Do you even have one? Do you really think that you aren’t better or worse than your classmates? If that is the case why would you get a scholarship? Why wouldn’t anyone and everyone get a scholarship then? Why get drafted to a ball club? Why get up in the morning a compete in the game of life if everyone is exactly the same no worse, no better?! What would be the point of living? The whole point is to be better and you are damn straight that you are better in some areas than others and not so much in other areas as everyone. Being better though isn’t about your performance in sports and or the classroom. Being better is being the best person you can be every single solitary day in every single solitary way that there is to be. On that score mankind is an abject failure…including myself. As the saying goes “We are all sinners.” However I will say I am better at a lot of things than a whole lot people. I will say that I am a better person than a whole lot of people and I will even contend that I am a better person than the bulk of the planet. Why? I don’t persecute, torture, maim, murder. I don’t commit adultery, theft, blasphemy and whole lot more. Simply saying ‘you aren’t any better’ than your classmates because you received a scholarship is a false humility that I have no use for. I have no problem nor compunction in saying that I am better than a lot of people…but I will not say I am the absolute best and therein lies the difference. Therein is where humility and it’s true application comes from. My husband and I earn a great living. We are blessed and persecuted for it. Because of that does it makes us better human beings than everyone? NOPE. But it does mean that due to the fact that we have some measure of success that we are better at a lot of things than a lot people.
          The sheer fact that you have posted what you have tells me a few things about you. For starters you just disrespected Billy Graham again in referring to him as packaging. Gee I wonder what you would make of Mother Teresa? You still aren’t sticking up for God yet…but perhaps it is because you haven’t been pushed enough. And finally this topic and my words are getting under your skin. There is a truth to be recognized here.
          First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out–
          Because I was not a Socialist.
          Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out–
          Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out–
          Because I was not a Jew.
          Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

        • JayScott

          Laurel A Soccer_School
                    Just a word to the wise, there seems to be confusion about
          the original meaning of anecdote as it stems from Greek origins to the popular
          modern day perception which is used in this discussion.  A dictionary definition would give you
          wording such as “short account of a particular event or incident.”  For simplification in understanding it might
          help to compare an anecdote to a parable instead of a fable.  Technically Laurel has engaged in arguing her
          contention in the manner of fallacies both formal and informal.

        • JayScott

          Laurel A Soccer_School 
                    When you write in the same the response that “you are not worried” “you do not care” and then conclude with Martin Niemoller is particularly frightening Laurel.  You are better because you have personal success.  You are better because you don’t torture, maim, or murder.  I have no evidence if you live it, but you are justifying the philosophy behind the Arierparagraph in that only those who profess your beliefs in toto have a base to write or speak. There is evidence of the utilization of the practice of persecution within your responses, and selfishness.  Even if you were correct, it would seem that your focus would be on instruction and not of castigation unless you truly cared more about yourself and the messengers who are concealed in a cloud of a fable and not a parable of what you define as conservatism if you did believe in singular or assemblage subjective totalitarianism.

        • JayScott

          Laurel A Soccer_School
                    While this young man you chastise might use some unconventional examples, it is abundantly clear that the base of his reasoning comes via primary source material.  In comparison your arguments hinge upon secondary sources and messengers which you cite as definitive when they fit your philosophy and discredit when they do not, his arguments look beyond the secondary source whether agreeable or not to formulate an opinion from the primary source.  The accusations about indoctrination could only be so vehement from the one who supports that methodology.

        • Laurel A

          JayScott Laurel A Soccer_School Baloney. He is using anecdotal evidence to state something didn’t happen because it didn’t happen to him.

        • Laurel A

          JayScott Laurel A Soccer_School Do you know how to read and disseminate information? Or do you always purposely take information out of context to spin it to suit your own personal needs?

          I wrote those things, and I suspect you know this, because as I told the young man they are not applicable. Yes his world matters but the broader world and the events that surround him also matter and those events sooner or later will intrude into his world.

        • Laurel A

          JayScott Laurel A Soccer_School No it isn’t primary source because there is nothing to verify the source. It is anecdotal and as I said to an extent that counts. And my sources are primary because they are documented.

          Where did his arguments ever look upon a secondary source? That is the problem. He didn’t. He is basing his opinion on his personal experience and because he didn’t experience it in his mind it didn’t happen or he discounts it greatly. I have no doubt that his school still says a prayer before a football game etc. I didn’t discount it, however he discounts the certifiable events of others taking place within the culture and the country. This website alone can give documentation not to mention countless other sites. But you are not interested in that because you registered strictly to defend him didn’t you?!

          I made no accusations about indoctrination. He brought it up, not me. I merely pointed out that the counter to it is critical thinking.

          I am not going to play defense with someone who butted into a conversation that never ever should of taken place on this thread to begin with because it isn’t even pertinent to Rush or Levin. It was from a conversation at least a week ago.
          And that young man whom I chastise I have good deal respect for (and I told him so) however he has to give evidence beyond what he has experienced in his school. He needs to acknowledge there is world beyond his backyard or personal sandbox.

          Now I know you want to be his little attack dog but perhaps you should re-read his posts because he at times is guilty of what you feel the need to butt in and accuse myself of.
          I wasn’t aware that Soccer_School wasn’t able to finish the debates he starts but apparently not. I must of gotten under his skin because he can’t seem to let it go so much so that he sends in others. Interesting.
          And so far all I am getting here is you don’t like the delineation of primary sourcing, secondary sourcing etc  but both of you have failed to disprove the original point that Soccer_School chose to take a stand on and that is why it isn’t bad to kick God out of the public square, and when he couldn’t prove that he tried to prove that God wasn’t being kicked out of the public square, and when that didn’t fly he brings in troops that are so far down in the weeds it is unbelievable. Take a poll on this site or any conservative site. Ask people if they think God is being kicked out of the public square. Go ask the numerous people across the country that are being sued for publicly practicing their religion. Even my liberal friends think God is being kicked out of the public square but unfortunately most of them don’t think it is a bad thing.

        • Soccer_School

          Laurel A JayScott Soccer_School 
          Mr. Scott, thank you but I am not in need of anyone defending me for my beliefs.
          Ma’am, I do not have the opportunity, let alone the desire to monitor  a website 24/7.  One reason for my extended remarks in some instances is that I have to keep my ankle submerged in a whirlpool to quicken the healing and still be able to complete our season.  Sometimes I complete my homework quickly, failed to bring something else to read, and because of the noise from the water and equipment cannot listen to music or anything else.  It comes down to typing or playing some online game, and seriously unless it has something generic and involves reflexes I do not care for video games.
          Your original reply to me was that God has been banned from public schools.  My original post was that if God does not exist in a public school, it is a result of the students and the guardians of that student. Neither school nor government banned God and neither school nor government has the power to ban God.  A poster of the 10 Commandments is not God and whether it is displayed at a school or not should not determine one’s obeying those Commandments.  Later  in responses I included that I do not feel that a school or a teacher while performing their job as a teacher should “instruct” students on religious practices in a public school.  Outside the classroom is one thing, but inside is another.  I feel that is a responsibility of the home.
          Somehow you interpreted my positions as ignorant and naive in that this responsibility belongs in the home and not under the direction of the government because of tax dollars paid.  Because a student must initiate a Bible study or anything pertaining to religion and not the school or a teacher, you went on about how failing to endorse was a sin of omission.  I look at a sin of omission being one where someone like me would not or did not defend your child and their desire to pray.
          With exception of posting the part of Exodus in response to your posting specifically for me that the Golden calf was needed for faith while Moses was away, and my interpretation that God became angered over the casting of an idol over faith in God, I have not cited documentation whether primary or secondary.  Maybe I should have posted Exodus in Latin to illustrate the origin of my interpretation.  When the other poster asked you for some source information, I saw that you chose not to respond.
          You will most likely disagree with me, but my definition of success is opposite from yours.  I will not blindly follow a Graham or anyone else because of their standing in a community.  I’m more concerned with what is said as opposed to who says it.  If a small country pastor says the same as a Graham, the sayings are equal.  Just because the unknown pastor does not have the name recognition does not discredit him.  
          In non religious matters when I person is employed to voice an opinion on TV, radio, or in print, I think a caveat is proper on if the intent is their personal belief or one of their profession.  
          From the little I know about her, I have the utmost respect for Mother Theresa and her works.  She certainly accomplished more than I have.  She is someone who I intend to research more thoroughly, and my desire to learn more about her was derived from statements made about her works by Coach Wooden in some of his writings on mentors.  Likewise, even though I am not Roman Catholic I want to research Pope John Paul II because he seems to have the same attitude.
          As to am I better than one of my classmates or teammates because I have the scholarships or received the awards.  No I am not.  My level of play on the line or on the diamond may be better than their play.  In a team sport though, you are only as good as your weakest player.  As an individual, I feel that the person the Good Lord provided with the most tools should be expected  to do more than someone with less.  I’m 6’2′, weigh about 260, bench over 500, and run the 40 near 4.8.  Our team manager suffers from Muscular Dystropy, and he inspires me with his strength and courage.  If he had been blessed with my body, his athletic skills would be among the best in the world given his heart.  No I am not a better person than he is.  I may be able to do some activities better, but that only makes me better at those activities and not a better person.
          Papa (Granddad)  may only have a high school diploma, and back in his day they only had 11 grades instead of 12, but many people seek out his wisdom compared to that of some educated people.  A simple lesson I try to practice is that if something is right to apply to someone else then it is right to be applied to you as well.  That’s my context in that the rights of even those with whom you disagree need to be protected because if you allow people to start changing the rules, it’s a lot harder to make them stop.  That might be a slippery slope and banana peel, but when I face new circumstances and beliefs that I believe are wrong or dangerous, it is my responsibility to see that obstacle is overcome.  Regardless of who placed it there, it is my responsibility, and I am capable.  That may sound like a braggart, naive, or immature, but the Good Lord does not present someone with an obstacle they are not capable of overcoming.  To become capable though I might need instruction from my friend in the wheelchair or to observe someone who believes or does things a different way.  Still, failure is because I failed, and not because my friend failed to teach, someone got in the way, government, or anyone.  The responsibility for failure is mine.
          Now this will most likely be my final comment on this site for awhile.  My free time will be spent trying to help bring my school another state championship and trying to prepare and perform to my best on my final exams.  My time that the Good Lord deems not to be free time will be spent in the manner in which the Spirit directs me.  Rarely will that involve the internet from past experience. 
          Again, my sympathy to your child, but while your approach may work for you, it does not for me.  I don’t think that makes either person right or wrong.  I just think it means different.
          Even though you wrote differently above, your comments have been perceived as a lack of respect and moving off on tangents by adding or subtracting from my writing or forming it in a way to fit neatly into a category.  Whether my perception is correct or not, I feel that is your right as a person, and I would not want school or government to take that right away.

        • Laurel A

          Soccer_SchoolLaurel AJayScottHere again you once again write me a novel in response on a thread that it isn’t even applicable to this one. Here again you once again are spinning and inserting things I didn’t say or misapplying what I did. Of note is your comment of reciting original sin in Latin…and coming from the young man just yesterday who boasted of his humility.
          Bottom Line: It was not I who moved off on tangents…it was you. I only responded to the tangents you posted. You like to continually move the goal posts. that isn’t debate, it’s dishonest subterfuge.

          I don’t care about your sports. I don’t care about your Latin. I am sorry you have injuries. I don’t care about your homework or the bazillion other tangents and pablum you posted in an effort to distract.You seem to have a problem communicating and staying focused on the topic. You give me analogies and anecdotal evidence and when I try and reply or respond to that you spin my response. See the ever wandering goal posts.

          You know full well I made references to ‘the public square’ which encompasses more than just your school. If you don’t know what the public square entails then learn it. It entails the culture at large. Quick what is the Latin term for ‘at large’? Your school, any and all schools, education in general is part of that. You can childishly deny the broader point and childishly deny any experts on the broader point as it might really work for you now but it won’t always.
          The plural of anecdote is not data. You felt the need to bring up education and indoctrination, as did your friend, which cuts both ways. If education is the problem, and you yourself pointed out you didn’t trust teachers, then you and your friend are really too young to have any education other than the indoctrination you so willingly brought up yesterday, thus your arguments are suspect, your perspectives and evidence are tainted, especially in lieu of “I don’t agree therefore it doesn’t count” immaturity. You may disagree with Graham but I assure he counts…and all over the world I might add. The whole of the dissemination of your argument smacks of the public school.
          Now I’m going to give you a key point. You stated that you are allowed to have prayer at school. Allowed to carry Bible and have it in your locker. Students are allowed to lead prayer ahead of football, etc. The key word in your statement that you continually overlook whether conscientiously or subconsciously is “allowed”. That means there is permission involved and permission can be withdrawn.
          A fundamental right- freedom really if you want to get technical-
          should not require permission yet the way atheists/anti-religion folks
          have taken over, your rights are at the pleasure of Their Majesties. So,
          just because Their Majesties are gracious today does not mean they will
          be tomorrow.

          You have turned your Grandfather’s wisdom into moral relativism and the origination of that wisdom (no he didn’t pluck it out of thin air) is “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”, and it applies to the laws of the land or equal application of the law…and guess what?! That old saying comes form the culture or public square. Oh the ironies of life never cease!

          Your sports analogy is also moral relativism. I think perhaps you misused or didn’t communicate correctly what you were stating because now you are acknowledging what I said and referenced. Re-read what you wrote and the context you put it in. The rest of your long winded post I am not going to bother with. It’s a waste of my time and energy and has no value nor does it pertain to anything at hand.

          From your posts and that of your friend I am gleaning that WV, while considered the most virtuous state in the union, has a surplus of church and deficit of virtue. Yes you can quote all of the scripture in Latin you like but the reality is you are missing the virtuous part of the scripture beginning and ending with your false sense of humility. Now I could really be snarky off of this paragraph that you wrote… “Even though you wrote differently above, your comments have been
          perceived as a lack of respect and moving off on tangents by adding or
          subtracting from my writing or forming it in a way to fit neatly into a
          category.  Whether my perception is correct or not, I feel that is your
          right as a person, and I would not want school or government to take
          that right away”. I will skip the snark and point out that once again you imply that I need permission from a school and or government to exercise my right. And my dear in regards to that paragraph also…you are guilty of what you accuse. Also you write a whole lot of what ‘you feel’ but I prefer thinking to feeling. Real thinkers always do.

          Good Day.

        • Laurel A

          Soccer_School Laurel A JayScott Oh and one other thing that I forgot. Exodus is originally written in Hebrew, then Greek. Latin is the third incarnation.

        • JayScott

          Laurel A Soccer_School JayScott
          Soccer School it’s unfortunate that the generations since
          the one that won the Second World War did not have the attitudes, morality, and
          ethics you embrace throughout all of your comments.  If my people my age and those just a bit
          older or younger had that same passion, perhaps the United States of America
          would not be turning into a cesspool of immorality with a strong possibility of
          continuing down the toilet.  Every
          generation prior to mine, the adults and so-called leaders with experience who
          have been around the bend, has left this country better for their children.  We took too many things for granted and are
          leaving the future generations to climb out of this cesspool and sadly many
          seem more concerned with their own personal status and regard success through
          personal success without any regard for the other person. 
          I entered the current discussion via remarks made in a
          commentary in the Washington Post about the dwindling of Christianity in the
          United States which referenced the original postings.
          To quote and summarize young man, here is your initial post
          on the topic: 
          As a senior in a public high school the real issue might be
          that some people misunderstand the reality about Christianity or the Bible in
          schools.  Neither the government nor the
          school has banned God or the Bible.  As a
          student, I and my classmates are free to carry a Bible, read it, pray, discuss
          religion, and witness to others.  We must
          take the initiative ourselves as students. 
          The school simply cannot endorse or promote one religion over another
          whether it is Protestant belief versus a Roman Catholic belief or Christian
          belief versus some non Christian belief.
          I believe in the 10 Commandments and try my best to follow
          them, but taking down a display with the Commandments written upon them does
          not remove the Commandments
          I’m only a student but feel that if someone is upset over
          removing the display any protest would be more productive if focused on
          students and parents who have the choice to actually practice their beliefs as
          opposed to the school or government about having or not having a specific
          display.  Jokes about neutral gender bathroom
          signs or displaying gun law regulations really just distract from blaming the
          person responsible if God is not welcome in that school.  That person is the student like me and
          whoever is raising us like our parents or for some like me whose parents both
          passed away their grandparents. 
          You stated personal and present experience, and you
          summarized correctly the existing legal codes. 
          Your opinion was that if someone was upset over the removal of the
          display, they would most likely achieve better results by addressing the
          problem versus a symptom and the jokes from other posters did nothing to make
          the situation any better. 
          Laurel your initial reply began:
          Displaying Ten Commandments does not endorse any one
          particular religion over another. To say it does is pseudo intellectualism.
          What is taking place here is atheism being promoted above ALL other religions
          So while your school…for now may be allowing it it most
          certainly won’t forever. Why? Because when you kick God out of the public
          square the ripple effect is enormous. People lose at every level the tenets of
          God all that goes with it including the critical thinking skills that formed
          this civilization in this part of the world. As a Christian you should revisit
          what God and Christ commanded us to do with our religion. 
          Where did he write that the Ten Commandments endorsed a
          particular religion?  He correctly stated
          the legal codes of what a public school can do and that students must initiate
          religious activities on his or any other campus.  The contention that it won’t last forever is
          total supposition.  The generation of you
          and me failed.  We allowed God to lose a
          presence in schools and the public square. 
          Why?  Because we had others fight
          and sacrifice, and we were too self-absorbed and spoiled.  If someone should be revisiting Christianity
          and the intent of God it is our generation and not that of this young man,
          because in their small area they succeeded where you and I failed in our
          respective areas. 
          Laurel you continued:
          “No students may not practice any religion they choose to
          and that is precisely my point.  Maybe in
          your world but not where I live.  I have
          experienced this for myself in the education system.”  So is it his fault that religion can be
          practiced in his world?  Why do you
          expect or deem it necessary for him to come and fix the problems where you
          live?
          Others in the past endured greater hardships to practice
          their religious faith as you relate with the Puritans.  You accused him of not appreciating or
          understanding the Puritans.  Instead, his
          generation should be asking ours why our generation was unwilling to endure any
          hardships and willingly let go of our faiths? 
          Your kid was forced?  That’s sad
          for the child, but apparently the parent was not jailed or killed so was that
          persecution at the same level as that of the Puritans?  A public school is responsible for education?
          Seriously, you take umbrage at a young man for championing
          personal responsibility and not wanting the government to decide what he can
          and cannot do?
          Apples to kumquats because comparing the effectiveness of
          laws on deterring someone predisposed with bad intentions?  Do you apply that same position with gun
          control? 
          Another poster asked you about the reason for your statement
          which sadly is true.   “This country isn’t nearly as free as it was
          when I was your age.  That is no
          accident.” 
          You chose to not answer that question, but mine is different:
          how is that the fault of this young man’s generation?

        • JayScott

          Laurel A Soccer_School JayScott
          You later asserted:  “We
          know the differences in this world as opposed to the difference from when we
          were your age. Now not everything about the ‘good ol’days’ is all that good but
          some things were much better. The fact that we could say a prayer at a football
          game. Open a city council meeting with one. Have a valedictorian proclaim their
          religion in their speech and thank God for his blessings.” 
          It seems those things still take place in this young man’s
          world, and I wonder if you resent that fact. 
          “So my dear if you won’t stand up for YOUR RELIGION, YOUR FAITH, RIGHT
          HERE, RIGHT NOW, IN PUBLIC, IN PRIVATE…THEN WHEN? WHEN WILL YOU? WHERE WILL
          YOU? HOW WILL YOU? And at that point how can you?”  Apparently the young man and the people in
          his world did stand up.  His generation
          should be condemning ours for not having that same courage. 
          We do not know if the school “silenced” any other religion
          or removed any other materials.  The
          young man did write that he is able to publicize religious events and that
          other students at his school can publicize religious events.  Staff and teachers, however, do not because
          it is up to the student. 
          He asked you on the original thread to cite one example
          where he supported kicking “God out.” 
          His writings were that if God has been removed, it was a choice made by
          the people present at the time.  In other
          words he supports individual responsibility. 
          Sure poll this cite or any other that you deem “conservative”
          and see if the people prefer your contention that public school and the
          government is responsible for education and what is taught about God or do they
          prefer Soccer Schools stance that the individual should not be a pawn of the
          government. 
          Whether this applies topic applies to Rush or Levin, in my
          opinion it does not but because the concept of success and message versus
          messenger was introduced it has some connection.  With Levin, I’m reminded of his response to
          the Friedersdorf question.  With Rush, I
          think an applicable comparison is Geraldo. 
          Levin, Friedersdorf, Rush, and Geraldo may promote different ideologies,
          but are they any different in the way they promote.  I think a prudent individual would research
          the statement of these men or any individual for themselves instead of
          automatically embracing any position simply because it came from the mouth of
          some individual.  
          You might prefer thinking to feeling, but what you fail to
          comment on is action.  I would ask if you
          prefer action that follows God’s teachings or only action to enrich
          yourself.  You stated the young man was
          better than others because of athletics. 
          He did better than most in explaining the difference between casting a
          judgment about an individual versus an activity performed by that individual. 
          And you call his writing “novel” length?  In today’s world, I’ll agree that it is lengthier
          and better written than most.  In our
          generation, his post might make the bare minimum requirement to answer a junior
          high school level essay.  Aside from our
          generation not fighting for religion we also allowed for the continued
          weakening of academic standards.  Agree
          or disagree with this or any individual of this generation, and we should be
          thrilled with the desire and ability to express oneself given how their
          academics is judged on standardized testing and rote memorization versus
          learning for themselves. 
          Out of curiosity do you read Hebrew or Greek or even
          Latin?  Do you believe that each or just
          Latin for that matter is an “incarnation” as opposed to a translation? 
          And for your questions about me, I’m not someone’s fighting
          dog or defender on internet postings.  At
          one time I visited this website on a regular basis because the webmaster(s)
          compiled an interesting array of articles in one location.  As I became more familiar with RSS feeds, I
          receive the same articles without going to a collective website such as this
          one.  I posted on occasion, but that old
          password is long since forgotten, and I did not receive a link to update a
          forgotten password in my email.  It may
          be in the spam folder if sent by some autobot as I would imagine.  Having some familiarity with this website, the
          observation of it being opposed to Christianity in the Post article puzzled me
          so I investigated for myself.  In all of
          his remarks on the various posts, Soccer School impresses me and gives me hope
          that the next generation will be able to make up for the failure of ours.  That they care more about the United States
          of America than what we personally obtain in this country as our generation
          seems to have done.  After reading
          several times, I would love to see one of Soccer School’s predictions because I
          find it very astute.  I don’t recall the
          particular moderator, but outside the internet in a face-to-face setting, I
          think as Soccer School that the moderator would be a regular customer at the
          businesses of the other two posters. 
          Those proprietors would most likely consider the moderator a valued
          customer and even if a friendship did not occur, they would all welcome and
          benefit from any discussions in a give and take and the 3 of them together
          could knock a mountain down and then any and everyone in intellectual
          opposition to them. 
          I don’t think Soccer School as an individual or generation
          should fail because we failed to provide for them what others provided to
          us.  I respect the young man just from
          his civility, and his attitude about personal responsibility would be applauded
          on this or any website unless a clique mentality existed.
          Instead of breaking my response in bullet points, I wrote in the length accepted by the response system.  Our generation would consider this length an essay answer back in the day.  In today’s education system which we introduced, this length might be considered a book.  That’s sad if one can write a book in less than 15 minutes.

        • Laurel A

          JayScott Laurel A Soccer_School I see Soccer_School is still having others fight his battles on a non applicable thread. You have chose to interfere and walk into the middle of a dead conversation and misconstrue, distort, and just plain spin. Soccer_School chose anecdotal evidence of his personal experience which is not provable. As to another who commented…I never saw the comment and was not notified of the comment. Now as to your comment about subsequent generations since WWII…ah the good ol’ days. Sorry but those generations were raised by WWII generation and you share a great deal of responsibility for the subsequent mess that this culture is in. You don’t get to pawn it off when convenient and take glory when that is convenient. And No I have no umbrage, as I stated with Soccer_School and personal responsibility. I have umbrage with someone giving me an opinion then anecdotal evidence of that opinion. I have a problem with someone who wanders around a topic, posting novels to me when most of the post isn’t pertinent. I don’t really care to know what his height and build are and I don’t see what it has to do with the topic. Your diatribe about Puritans also has absolutely nothing to do with it either. We don’t minimize or belittle the taking of rights or the suffering of others because someone in your opinion has suffered more. That is moral equivalence.

          This conversation is over. This is not the thread for it regardless and it is a dead topic even to Soccer_School as he himself implied. We are not going to see eye to eye…however in future if he wants to discount others such the Graham Family, or anyone of learned documented experience, something in the way of refutation would be good. Stating he discounts them because they are on tv really doesn’t cut it, and it doesn’t do so in any academic setting either. As to your question…I never said it was the fault of his generation however his generation and many that come before his are at fault but I wouldn’t say equally at fault either.

        • Laurel A

          JayScott Laurel A Soccer_School As I previously stated this conversation is at an end. It is off topic and an old one at that. I have no idea why you think I dislike Soccer_School but as I told him it is quite the contrary. I’m glad you like him and can champion him. Good, but your diatribe doesn’t go to the original point and neither did his.I still have  as yet to receive anything beyond anecdotal and now you are just adding to that. Your questions are pointless because the discussion is going no further. Your assumptions are just peachy and still have no bearing.

          Good Day.

  • Laurel A

    P.S. Rubio is going to be on Rush in a half of an hour.

    • Jayrae

      Laurel A Bush Crime Family damage control. Rubio is getting eviscerated on the boards. People aren’t buying his bull!

  • Laurel A

    When you read articles like this it is of little wonder people are ticked at Rubio and his gang. 

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/18/immigration-bill-would-spend-50-million-to-advise-illegals/

    HOW IS THIS FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE?!

    • deTocqueville1

      Laurel A It isn’t, period!

    • applepie101

      Laurel Ait sure looks like a top-down project to replace the current population of the United States with a more compliant, government-dependent population.

      • Laurel A

        applepie101 I don’t know that Democrats are smart enough to see that far ahead…maybe some of them for certain like Obama and his handlers. I think the bulk of Democrats use emotion as a thought process and see votes.

  • njmom

    So, Rubio is making the rounds and now he’s going to be on Rush today. Marco, SECURE THE BORDER AND FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!!!
    When are Rush and Mark going to give up on the GOP????????????

    • DawgfanInFL

      Agreed, laws only work when enforced. Their seems to be a great deal of selective prosecution going on these days.

  • cabensg
  • deTocqueville1

    I have great respect for Levin however engaging in sanctimonious and self righteous argument is not only unpersuasive it in fact is a form of delflection. Throwing all the ‘he loves his country’ stuff out there does not advance anything. Rubio is a pretender as in a pretend Tea Partier and is a Bush stooge. One need only look at his record, his associations and his conduct.
    In fact whether  one likes Rubio or not, he came acroos in his interview with Levin as a very bad used car salesman. A good one would try to sell a lemon without sounding unconvincing and nervous.

  • DawgfanInFL

    I love Mark Levin, but I have every right to be upset about the bill. I don’t slam Rubio to do it. McCain – different story. I look at this bill as a ridiculous attempt to band-aid the problem. What is our problem with immigration? Enforcement. Creating a committee after three years time, to address problems rounding up illegals is three years to late. Even if they pass the bill the original problem of enforcement will still be there…only worse. How do I act upon my conservative beliefs? I contact my representatives and remind them to enforce the laws on the book.

  • ellebb

    Please tell me that Rubio isn’t on Rush’s show.  What a sell-out, Rush.

  • applepie101

    Mark is wrong in this case. The only position any true constitutional conservative can take is to enforce the law of the United States. Illegal aliens violate the law by being here. Instead of working for tougher enforcement, Rubio is working to overturn the law. Mark, do you intend to give equal time to Rep. Lamar Smith to discuss how Rubio’s proposal also legalizes relatives of illegal aliens, and previously deported aliens?

  • LetItBurnUSA

    If Levin doesn’t want to insinuate Rubio is a used car salesman, that’s his prerogative. I will call Rubio a liar though. He said on Rush’s show(and I’m sure elsewhere) months ago that if this bill didn’t secure the border, he’d walk away from it. Well it doesn’t secure the border. It merely requires that a plan be formulated for securing it, but that legalization happens right away, and even an eventual path to citizenship is not predicated on the border actually being secured. In other words, it’s 1986 all over again only to a much larger degree.
    So either Rubio hasn’t read or understood the very bill he’s been crafting, or he’s deliberately misstating what it does. Everyone, including Mark Levin, is entitled to draw their own conclusion. The way I see it, he’s either a moron or a liar. I’m going with Option B.

    • strangernfiction

      LetItBurnUSA Well said.

    • Laurel A

      LetItBurnUSA  Precisely!

  • Mokadoka

    His bill creates new beaucarts who then get to decide if they are inline with bills’ terms or not.  He aslo, as far as I’m concerned. admits on Rush today that his bill doees give amnesty first …He says he changed form enfore the borders first position
    His bill penalizes americans for hiring someone.   Businesses already have to comply with e verify . It’s the homeowner that hires someone to cut down a tree, mow their lawn  or move something that the bill attacks cus THAT is the work that illegals are doing. They do it cus its’ impossible to track not because other americans dont want the job

    It’s a no go

    • deTocqueville1

      Mokadoka Precisely, a whole new beaurocratic regime to which to grant additional executive powers.

  • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

    Trying to read all the lawyer mumbo jumbo right now in this bill.  Can anybody tell me if this means what I think it does?!
    From pgs. 14-17 of the bill
     

    14
    EAS13500 S.L.C.
    (3) A 
    PPELLATE REVIEW 
    .—An interlocutory or
    1
    final judgment, decree, or order of the district court
    2
    may be reviewed only upon petition for a writ of cer-
    3
    tiorari to the Supreme Court of the United States.
    4
    SEC. 4. SOUTHERN BORDER SECURITY COMMISSION.
    5
    (a) E
    STABLISHMENT
    .—If Secretary certifies that the
    6
    Department has not achieved effective control in all high
    7
    risk border sectors during any fiscal year beginning before
    8
    the date that is 5 years after the date of the enactment
    9
    of this Act, not later than 60 days after the date of the
    10
    certification there shall be established a commission to be
    11
    known as the ‘‘Southern Border Security Commission’’
    12
    (referred to in this section as the ‘‘Commission’’).
    13
    (b) C
    OMPOSITION
     
    15
    EAS13500 S.L.C.
    (ii) 1 shall be appointed upon the rec-
    1
    ommendation of the leader in the Senate of
    2
    the other political party;
    3
    (C) 2 members who shall be appointed by
    4
    the Speaker of the House of Representatives, of
    5
     which—
    6
    (i) 1 shall be appointed upon the rec-
    7
    ommendation of the leader in the House of
    8
    Representatives of the political party that
    9
    is not the political party of the President;
    10
    and
    11
    (ii) 1 shall be appointed upon the rec-
    12
    ommendation of the leader in the House of
    13
    Representatives of the other political party;
    14
    and
    15
    (D) 4 members, consisting of 1 member
    16
    from each of the States along the Southern bor-
    17
    der, who shall be—
    18
    (i) the Governor of such State; or
    19
    (ii) appointed by the Governor of each
    20
    such State.
    21
    (2) Q
    UALIFICATION FOR APPOINTMENT
    .—Ap-
    22
    pointed members of the Commission shall be distin-
    23
    guished individuals noted for their knowledge and
    24
     
    16
    EAS13500 S.L.C.
    experience in the field of border security at the Fed-
    1
    eral, State, or local level.
    2
    (3) T
    IME OF APPOINTMENT
    .—The appoint-
    3
    ments required by paragraph (1) shall be made not
    4
    later than 60 days after the Secretary makes a cer-
    5
    tification described in subsection (a).
    6
    (4) C
    HAIR
    .—At the first meeting of the Com-
    7
    mission, a majority of the members of the Commis-
    8
    sion present and voting shall elect the Chair of the
    9
    Commission.
    10
    (5) V
     ACANCIES
    .—Any vacancy of the Commis-
    11
    sion shall not affect its powers, but shall be filled in
    12
    the manner in which the original appointment was
    13
    made.
    14
    (6) R
    ULES
    .—The Commission shall establish
    15
    the rules and procedures of the Commission which
    16
    shall require the approval of at least 6 members of
    17
    the Commission.
    18
    (c) D
    UTIES
    .—The Commission’s primary responsi-
    19
     bility shall be making recommendations to the President,
    20
    the Secretary, and Congress on policies to achieve and
    21
    maintain the border security goal specified in section 3(b)
    22
     by achieving and maintaining—
    23
     
    17
    EAS13500 S.L.C.
    (1) the capability to engage in, and to engage
    1
    in, persistent surveillance in high risk border sectors
    2
    along the Southern border; and
    3
    (2) an effectiveness rate of 90 percent or higher
    4
    in all high risk border sectors along the Southern
    5
     border.
    6
    (d) R
    EPORT
    .—Not later than 180 days after the end
    7
    of the 5-year period described in subsection (a), the Com-
    8
    mission shall submit to the President, the Secretary, and
    9
    Congress a report setting forth specific recommendations
    10
    for policies for achieving and maintaining the border secu-
    11
    rity goals specified in subsection (c). The report shall in-
    12
    clude, at a minimum, recommendations for the personnel,
    13
    infrastructure, technology, and other resources required to
    14
    achieve and maintain an effectiveness rate of 90 percent
    15
    or higher in all high risk border sectors

    • Laurel A

      AmericanborninCanada Yes that is precisely what you are reading. One of the ten reasons I said Rubio is young and stupid. Every time we get these ‘gangs’ the average American citizen gets screwed in this country.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        Laurel A AmericanborninCanada Cripes I’m only 20 something pages into this and it’s costing billions. oy vey for what?!  other than amnesty dressed up in pretty legal words.  Crap I hate this.

    • stage9

      AmericanborninCanadaIf Secretary certifies that the 6 Department has not achieved effective control in all high 7 risk border sectors during any fiscal year beginning before 8 the date that is 5 years after the date of the enactment 9 of this Act,
      Huh?
      If on the date of the day after the date in question is 5 days after the original date of the first day, then this day will be the day that this act will go into effect.
      No wonder no one reads these things.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        stage9 AmericanborninCanada I KNOW!!!!!!!  I’ve got a massive headache already and haven’t hardly read anything yet!

      • cabensg

        stage9 It’s done that way on purpose. If they need to use legal speak to make it a law fine but there should also be a readable version that non-lawyers can read and it needs to be posted online for all to see. The problem with that is this. 
        I was feeling very energetic and wanted to really stay on top of things so I went to a website that lists all the things (laws, amendments, bullshit) coming up in Congress. My conclusion after perusing the page is send the BASturds home. Don’t let them do anything until they’ve undone all the crap that no could understand, enforce or want in a hundred years. It’s a morass of unintelligible gobbledygook that is impossible to decipher except for the stuff that scares you to death. 
        Downsize our government doesn’t even begin to address the horror they’ve created.

      • BS61

        It means yet another government group will be formed!   Ugh

    • publius69

      AmericanborninCanada you are basically correct.  this bill is full of loopholes, loopholes that favor progressives.  I stated this before but it is worth repeating: any bill co-sponsored by schumer, durbin and company is automatically subject to a high level of scrutiny.  either rubio is not as smart as many people say or he is letting his ambition get the better of him.  this bill needs serious changes to make it viable but there is one simple, underlyikng principle:  SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST…

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        publius69 AmericanborninCanada I agree. Anything with chuck U schumer and durban is a warning to run as fast as you can in the other direction.  Dang it I’m sick.  this is a disgrace when we already have laws that they freaking refuse to impliment!!!

        • publius69

          AmericanborninCanadapublius69that is true.  how can these supposedly smart people not see these scum for what they are?  remember:  you never let a serious crisis go to waste…?”  they create a problem and then create laws to address them, laws which coincidentally support their progressive agendas…gee go figure

      • deTocqueville1

        publius69 AmericanborninCanada If a law cannot be written simply and in clear English then there is something wrong with the law and the thinking of those who thought it up and drafted it.

      • cabensg

        publius69 I’m voting for not as smart and unscrupulous. Had to look up unscrupulous and it fits.

      • BS61

        Hi ABC – The progressives are in both parties!

    • Mokadoka

      AmericanborninCanada  They will discuss it , But they actually have to determin that all of the terrms are not being fullfilled before the rest can “fall apart” as Rubio puts it
      This means they dont have to actually do anything, If the Sec. doesnt certify that things are not being done

      • deTocqueville1

        Mokadoka AmericanborninCanada It is shamnesty pure and simple no matter how its dressed up.

  • OliviaHT

    And one more thing (maybe two). If the GOP wants to do something to redeem itself to avert extinction, its elected leaders will demand hearings on why the executive branch IS NOT ENFORCING CURRENT LAW. Rush made a terrific point in his interview with Rubio: why does the Republican Party always have to come up with an alternative proposal to what the Democrats are pushing? when in reality what needs to happen to “fix” things is ENFORCEMENT of current law. Secondly, Rubio’s stated assumption is that 11million illegal aliens will not self-deport — which is clear evidence to me that he has no backbone to demand that CURRENT laws are enforced. Rather, he sees this as a golden opportunity to make a name for himself. Well, he has — but it’s not the name he was hoping for.

  • publius69

    this can also be another obama/democrat set up to make repubs look like obstructionists, just in time for the 2014 elections

  • OliviaHT

    And the third thing is this: Under current law, as stated today by Rubio to Rush, under current law, illegal aliens must return home and may apply for a green card in 10 years; but under his proposal they are allowed to REMAIN HERE — thus rewarding their lawlessness. Rubio is NOT to be trusted. Clearly, having them return home and apply to re-enter after a ten-year lapse is by far more fair to everyone who is FOLLOWING our laws in their efforts to immigrate.

  • publius69

    wow!  does rubio actually believe he can rely on the dems to fulfill their obligations under this law?  what a joke

    • OneThinDime

      publius69 Me thinks Rubio has his eyes on the millions of tax dollars that will be paid to lawyers (and he is one) to help the illegals with their paperwork.

      • Suzyqpie

        Bureaucrats provide immigrant criminals with financial aid to assist them in navigating the bureaucracy that the bureaucrats created for them. Redistribution from the American taxpayers to lawyers who then contribute to politicians. Folly, more folly from the Rs & Ds to the detriment of the American people.

  • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

    OK so now I’m into the meat of it, page 61, 
    IN GENERAL
    .—An alien is not eligible for registered provisional immigrant status unless the 
    alien establishes, by a preponderance of the evidence, 
    that the alien meets the requirements set forth in
    10
    this subsection.
    11
    ‘‘(2) P
    HYSICAL PRESENCE
    .—
    12
    ‘‘(A) I
    N GENERAL
    .—The alien—
    13
    ‘‘(i) shall be physically present in the
    14
    United States on the date on which the
    15
    alien submits an application for registered
    16
    provisional immigrant status;
    17
    ‘‘(ii) shall have been physically 
    18
    present in the United States on or before
    19
    December 31, 2011; and
    20
    ‘‘(iii) shall have maintained contin-
    21
     uous physical presence in the United
    22
    States from December 31, 2011, until the
    23
    date on which the alien is granted status
    24

     
    61
    EAS13500 S.L.C.
    as a registered provisional immigrant
    1
     under this section.
    2
    ‘‘(B) B
    REAK IN PHYSICAL PRESENCE
    .—
    3
    ‘‘(i) I
    N GENERAL
    .—Except as pro-
    4
     vided in clause (ii), an alien who is absent
    5
    from the United States without authoriza-
    6
    tion after the date of the enactment of this
    7
    section does not meet the continuous phys-
    8
    ical presence requirement set forth in sub-
    9
    paragraph (A)(iii).
    10
    ‘‘(ii) E
     XCEPTION
    .—An alien who de-
    11
    parted from the United States after De-
    12
    cember 31, 2011 will not be considered to
    13
    have failed to maintain continuous pres-
    14
    ence in the United States if the alien’s ab-
    15
    sences from the United States are brief,
    16
    casual, and innocent whether or not such
    17
    absences were authorized by the Secretary
    OK Now this is REALLY pissing me off.  I am filling out my Citizenship papers, and reading online how to go about applying for citizenship.  The ABOVE which is talking about illegal “immigrants” applying for provisional status blah blah blah- is the EXACT wording on my Citizenship forms making me eligible for applying to change my permanent resident status which I WORKED hard for to get, to Citizenship, which I am WORKING hard for.
    Dam

    • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

      http://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartD-Chapter4.html
       , A. Physical Presence Requirement

      An applicant for naturalization is generally
      required to have been physically present in the United States for at least half
      the time for which his or her continuous residence is required. Applicants for
      naturalization under http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-9898.html#0-0-0-405 are required
      to demonstrate physical presence in the United States for at least 30 months (at
      least 913 days) before filing the application.

      Physical presence refers to the number of days the
      applicant must physically be present in the United States during the statutory
      period up to the date of filing for naturalization. The continuous
      residence and physical presence
      requirements are interrelated but each must be satisfied for
      naturalization.

      USCIS will count the day that an applicant departs
      from the United States and the day he or she returns as days of physical
      presence within the United States for naturalization purposes.

      B. Documentation and Evidence

      Mere possession of a PRC for the period of time required for
      physical presence does not in itself establish the applicant’s physical presence
      for naturalization purposes. The applicant must demonstrate actual physical
      presence in the United States through documentation. USCIS will review all of
      the relevant records to assist with the determination of whether the applicant
      has met the required period of physical presence. The applicant’s testimony will
      also be considered in determining whether the applicant met the required period
      of physical presence.

    • publius69

      AmericanborninCanada let me help you with your app.  how can i contact you directly.

      • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

        publius69 AmericanborninCanada you can e mail me at CF4US@aol.com  let me know it’s you please. That’s the Constitutional Freedom Party e mail, so I get  alot of different e mails , but it’s an account that only I have access too.  Thank you publius!

        • publius69

          AmericanborninCanada publius69  email sent to you.  keep an eye out for it.  my email was returned…”delvery status notification (failure”)

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          publius69 AmericanborninCanada I’m logging on there now. just a minute  :-)

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          publius69 :-( I don’t know what happened, but I didn’t get it. Can you try once more?  I’ve had the same problem a couple of times lately sending to some folks who I contact regularly.  Don’t know whats up with that.  But can you try again?  thank you!

        • publius69

          AmericanborninCanada publius69 sure   lemme try again

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          publius69 AmericanborninCanada OK :-)

        • publius69

          sorry  but i got another kick back

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          publius69 :-(  OK I just scrolled through here, and I am SO sorry- I got it wrong.  *my brain has been so fried lately*  it’s CFP4US@aol.com 
          I missed putting the P in there. I am such a dork. Sorry publius!!!

        • publius69

          AmericanborninCanada publius69 no problem.  i will send again right now

        • publius69

          AmericanborninCanada publius69 no problem.  i will send again right now

        • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

          publius69 AmericanborninCanada Got it! Thank you! will reply shortly :-)

  • tencole

    “I hope this clears up any ambiguity for some of you who confuse Levin’s
    objective demeanor during the interview as support for Rubio’s plan. In
    the interview Levin only had a few minutes to ask questions and if he
    spent the time ‘ripping’ Rubio, <b>he wouldn’t have been able to elicit the
    same answers that many of you are using to challenge Rubio.</b>
     “That many of you are using”…..really RS!?!……I know you are a big supporter of Mr Rooobio but  please, at least try to be a little objective.

  • colliemum

    “He loves his country and means well […]” says the Great One.
    I’m sure he does, but ‘he means well’ is usually a description for dunderheads who are in way above their heads, or who are clumsily doing damage to something – like trying to do the washing up and smashing a few plates in the process. 
    It’s not something which evokes trust, especially not in a politician.
    Give me Ted Cruz any day!
    Thank you Texas, for electing him. The mind boggles to think what well-meaning damage his opponent would have done in the Senate by now …

    • cabensg

      colliemum  Prove it Levin. Prove to me he loves his country and means well. Actually Rubio has proved just the opposite as far as I’m concerned. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

  • http://cfp4us.org/ AmericanborninCanada

    Page 70  WTH!?!

     ALIENS APPREHENDED BEFORE OR DUR
    ING THE APPLICATION PERIOD
    .—If an alien who is 
    apprehended during the period beginning on the
    date of the enactment of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization
    23
     Act and the end of the application period described
    24
    in paragraph (3) appears prima facie eligible for
    25

     
    71
    EAS13500 S.L.C.
    registered provisional immigrant status, to the satis-
    1
    faction of the Secretary, the Secretary—
    2
    ‘‘(A) shall provide the alien with a reason-
    3
    able opportunity to file an application under
    4
    this section during such application period; and
    5
    ‘‘(B) may not remove the individual until
    6
    a final administrative determination is made on
    7
    the application
    So in other words, if an illegal is caught coming over the border during the time that this bill is enacted, they are still eligible to apply for immigrant status, ie, green card or work visa?! and they are not allowed to be thrown out of the country until a decision is made whether to grant them immigrant status or not?!

  • cabensg

    Rubio is anything we want to call him including traitor to his fellow Americans.

  • Lives4Freedom

    I know immigration is a complex issue, but I’m just going to blurt out a couple brainstorm ideas:
    If you do not have record of crossing into our country legally, you have two options… One, a short jail term, followed by deportation, in which you will receive the information you need to properly get in line for immigration process. Two, you can stay, if you will have us employ you to build the fence. That’s it, those are your choices. If you break the law during your stay, you will serve time commensurate with the crime, under Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s care, after which, you will be deported and indefinitely disallowed application for citizenship (perhaps felony cases only).
    It’s complicated when you talk about the crafty illegals, who suckered natural citizens into making their babies….I know a couple, I don’t know what to do with them. I don’t recall the issue being touched on in the interview, but I was listening while working, and didn’t catch everything.

    • OneThinDime

      Lives4Freedom I appreciate your suggestions.  I have to wonder why we would ever want to reward law breakers.  If they violate the sanctity of our borders, they have a total disregard for our laws.

      • Suzyqpie

        Selective enforcement of the law is an abdication of the rule of law. The Rule of Law is now subjective.

        • OneThinDime

          Suzyqpie And it opens the door for us to sue that Obama and Holder are enforcing laws in an arbitrary and capricious manner. Remember, this was raised during the gay crap at the SCOTUS

  • mike3e4r7

    Rubio is either incredibly naive, or a slick used car salesman.  Either way, he is not presidential material.  Another poster said yesterday (sorry, I can’t recall who) that Levin can be loyal to a fault.  I think he’s having a hard time admitting to himself that he mis-judged Rubio.  At least he’s acknowledging that Rubio is wrong on this issue.

    • Suzyqpie

      DailyCaller had a bite that Rubio’s bill includes $50M in funds to assist the immigrant criminals in navigating the bureaucracy that the bureaucrats created in the name of helping. OK, ok I’ll translate, money to lawyer camarillo that will/can flow back to The. Gang. Of. Ate (the money).

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    Sorry Mark, I still love you. Maybe Rubio just hasn’t perfected his craft yet. I don’t trust him anymore than the two guys who won, and lost the last election for President.

  • Tabcola

    Live in Florida. He is a RINO like the rest..  Here’s his record: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/marco_rubio/412491

  • 57thunderbird

    I love Mark,but why does he continue to defend Rubio?I am a bit disappointed with you Mark.:-(

  • Suzyqpie

    The people that we elected to represent us allowed Mexico, et al, to export their poorest, least educated, most disgruntled constituency to the USA. Citizenship test at the welfare office would be a start if the bureaucrats gave a damn which they don’t. Math is coming.

  • BS61

    Are Rush and Levin getting a thrill up their leg?  I love listening to Levin, but what happens when they interview Rubio ?!  I can understand being respectful, but can’t they pull a Diane Sawyer and say, the Tea Party are protesting your bill?

  • BS61

    I had a crush on articulate economist Paul Ryan for awhile too, until I couldn’t get past his 26 year budget plan!

  • ReaganConservative

    BS61 they have some kind of infatuation with Rubio and are denial he can do anything wrong or unconservative like amnesty. They just can’t accept it. Hannity’s even worse. He’s REALLY got a thrill up his leg for Rubio. Like Hannity’s recording of Chris Matthews love for Obama combined with the “endless love” song, someone needs to make that about Hannity for Rubio with that same song and all of Hannity love quotes for Rubio. That would be funny.

  • ReaganConservative

    mike3e4r7 he also misjudged his friend Orrin Hatch. He voted for the amnesty bill as well.