By Dan Cleary


Rep. Renee Ellmers (R-NC) did a fantastic job yesterday making Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner squirm in front of the House Small Business Committee. Geithner claimed there was “no alternative” but to raise taxes on America’s small businesses, unless we wanted to (gasp!) shrink government programs like education. So, rather than make even the tiniest reduction in the size of our bloated federal government, the Obama administration instead would rather raise taxes on job-creating small businesses in the midst of a horrific recession.

And what good would that do? Not much, according to the CBO, which just reported that our deficits would be unsustainable even with Clinton-era tax revenue.

Ellmers wasn’t buying Geithner’s mumbo-jumbo, and she even got in a little zinger at the end!

Via CNS News.

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  • Anonymous

    Typical liberal talking point. Just who is more dumb and stupid: barry, geithner or janet nappy?

  • Anonymous

    I think this guy will unexpectedly be out of a job in 2012.

    The desire for those drastic cuts in spending are exactly what drove the shellacking his boss and his friends in Washington got in November. If you want to pretend the election didn’t happen, then… good luck with that. Not a bet I would take.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      I think this guy will unexpectedly be out of a job in 2012.

      Yes, and I see no alternative.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B5344MYI6BXUL36ADKK3JBTPJA GJPinks

        Come on TRS, he has to expect to be out of a job. Here is the solution: raise the tax rates on the top 2%, but let them figure their taxes with Turbo Tax so they don’t have to pay any taxes. Everybody wins. Wow, I could be a Democrat Congress Critter.

        • Anonymous

          You forgot to add “Senator those mistakes were unintentional”

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B5344MYI6BXUL36ADKK3JBTPJA GJPinks

        Come on TRS, he has to expect to be out of a job. Here is the solution: raise the tax rates on the top 2%, but let them figure their taxes with Turbo Tax so they don’t have to pay any taxes. Everybody wins. Wow, I could be a Democrat Congress Critter.

      • Anonymous

        I do. unchain the free market and allow us to grow our way out of this problem. 8 or 9% growth would solve alot of the problems. take people off the government dole for things like unemplyment and food stamps and medicaid, increased revs and capital gain taxes becuse of that growth means more revs into the federal government HOLD gov growth to 0% or even cut it by 5-10% across the borad and redo social security and medicare from pnzi schemes into a sustainable “help” for retirement and medical care. Not the end all be all.

        • http://twitter.com/doodlebug0 Dakota

          We have NEVER seen 8 or 9% growth. We haven’t even seen growth of 5%.

        • http://twitter.com/doodlebug0 Dakota

          We have NEVER seen 8 or 9% growth. We haven’t even seen growth of 5%.

        • Anonymous

          you are off in the right direction but 0-10% is off by an order of magnitude. The Federal government is nearly wholly redundant with State governments and in most cases, is driving bloat in them as well.

          Think hard about what we really need from a Central government if we the people decide to reclaim our government and return to a Republic.

          We need to cut the central government to half its size before we even see a significant reversal. I say 75% is in the ball park and still probably too big for the Republic.

        • Anonymous

          you are off in the right direction but 0-10% is off by an order of magnitude. The Federal government is nearly wholly redundant with State governments and in most cases, is driving bloat in them as well.

          Think hard about what we really need from a Central government if we the people decide to reclaim our government and return to a Republic.

          We need to cut the central government to half its size before we even see a significant reversal. I say 75% is in the ball park and still probably too big for the Republic.

          • Anonymous

            Back to the Articles of Confederation, eh? Worked so well last time. :-)

          • David Robertson

            The only viable ALTERNATIVE that makes any sense is to cut gov and grow the tax base. Raising taxes, while producing a short term increase in receipts to the government, will only drive down the growth.

            One can only presume that these idiots who keep defending gov spending and deficits while calling for tax increases are purposely killing this country. Tim is smart enough to know that his statement is untrue and unproductive to the solution. I’m convinced there is a larger agenda at hand. Nobody is that dumb.

            • Anonymous

              So if a government spending program produces 1.5 or more dollars of GDP for every dollar it costs, isn’t that economic growth? And yes, that’s sustained. Temporary boosts of government spending under a recession can be higher.

              • Anonymous

                Name 1 single gov’t spending program that puts anything into the economy that it hasn’t already taken that same amount out of the economy. You are claiming that if I get a pail go to the deep end of a pool fill it, pour that water into the shallow end of the pool somehow the the entire pool is going to get deeper. Did you attend the nancy pelosi home school of economics or what?

                • Anonymous

                  Let’s start with something simple: ROADS.

                  Which allows the cheap transportation of material and goods, lowering costs for businesses and boosting the economy.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  strawman argument. oh wait, I forgot thats ALL you libratards do.

                • Anonymous

                  Roads do not add to GDP, the gov’t is not getting anything back into it’s accounts by building roads for Christs Sake.

                • Anonymous

                  Well, there are tolls and taxes on business that use interstate highways for delivery. But the roads should be privatized anyway.

                • Anonymous

                  Yes that’s true but those fees and taxes are miniscule compared to the costs associated with building and maintaining those roads.

                • Anonymous

                  Well, we drive much more than we would if we were more directly connected to the costs of road maintenance. Right now the roads, local, state, and national are subject to the tragedy of the commons. If roads were privatized we would likely drive less, carpool more, drive smaller cars rather than picking out the biggest monstrosity we can find, or pay more specifically for using roads and have a greater appreciation for them.

                  Then there’s the whole thing of crews for maintenance willing to work at night or low traffic hours, get the job done faster, and cheaper doing the repairs, or repairs being handled in-house. That as opposed to the current situation of front loaders sitting around unmanned for days at a time while normally 4-lane roads are cut down to 2-lane.

                • Anonymous

                  It would be impracticle to privitize State roads, the interstate highway system however is something that should be given serious thought. If these were toll based roads with gov’t run fueling stations on them that would generate enough money to take care of them. If you were to purchase fuel while traveling these toll roads a percentage of that purchase could be deducted from the overall toll. All goods move about the country by either rail or truck, so that would be a big source of revenue. The gov’t could cut the fuel tax in half in these stations and still recoup the revenue via the tolls. Families driving to vacation destinations use interstates. I think this is a good idea however I’ve been wrong before. The States could run the highways and just send the gov’t the money less payroll cost set by the individual States (based on their markets) thusly eliminating the need for another burdomsome bureaucracy.

                • Anonymous

                  Building roads is government spending not job creation. Jobs are created, wealth and prosperity are created by small business and larger businesses ONLY. That is the simple truth.

              • Anonymous

                Around forty cents of every dollar spent by Washington is consumed in overhead. A one million dollar project means that only $600K will be spent directly, if that much. The rest goes toward administrative costs.

                As evidenced by the wasteful “clean energy” “investments”, as soon as the government funds dry up, those clean energy companies close their doors. That is not the definition of sustainable.

                It’s clear that you don’t understand free-market economics. But thanks for playing!

          • Anonymous

            I think we could could be very well off if we could cut the federal government to pre FDR levels. Now that is a real starting place.

      • Anonymous

        I disagree. A parakeet with a calculator would be a fine alternative. :)

        • http://twitter.com/Chris100358 Chris

          My dog would be a fine alternative.
          Get out of our way.

    • Anonymous

      Just remember tax cheat timmy the idiot was the ONLY man capable to handle his job during the bank failures time. What a crock that was and still is. Just where to they get these socialist know-nothings from?

      • KenInMontana

        Harvard, Yale , Columbia, etc , etc…….

        • Anonymous

          Yes the ivy elitists. Dumb as a bag of rocks.

      • Anonymous

        They breed them. Follow some of these links and decide for yourself.

        What do Obama, Tim Geithner, Stanley Ann, The Ford Foundation, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, China and Muslims have in common?
        http://weroinnm.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/what-do-obama-tim-giether-the-ford-foundation-fannie-maefreddie-mac-and-muslims-have-in-common/

        • Anonymous

          Fear-mongering conspiracy clap-trap.

          • Anonymous

            Doooooood, possess you anything other than stupid one-liners and “likes” for fools/lefties??

            • Anonymous

              The condescension won’t work; you’re not smart enough to pull it off. I do in fact have much more to say, and I have in the past 24 hours. If someone would like to present some facts, and not just NWO BS, I’d probably have more to say on the subject. But BS is BS, and it doesn’t take more than one line to call it out. I followed the links and decided for myself, as the poster suggested. I see that the grad sweep of your intellect brings you straight to name-calling.

              • Anonymous

                Yes, after I said this I did see some of your lengthier posts. They are “the cat’s meeow”! Anyway, I just think fools should be aware of what they are. Ya’ know?

                Isn’t there a place called TheLeftScoop somewhere where you’d feel more at home? I think my condescension works fine on folks such as yourself. When I’m looking straight down what else can I do? I like to give libs a taste of their own medicine, but don’t call me in the morning. You are one of those arrogant-without-a-reason or a cause, kind of folks.

                By the way…”You look marvelous”! A cartoon character is most appropriate:-)

                If you’ll notice, I also used one line to call you out. BS is as BS does I guess. Say, I saw a smart picture of ‘Bull’-winkle you could try. Wanna watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat? I’ve been watching you pull all manner of things out of your ass, it would only be fair.(?)

                • Anonymous

                  I don’t look to boost my ego by surrounding myself with people that are constantly going to agree with me and applaud everything I say. That’s not reality. Choose any point that I’ve made, and I’ll gladly back it up with accurate, reliable.
                  The fact that you resort to insults so quickly only proves the shallow nature of your arguments, but by all means proceed. Keep cracking wise to the utter delight of your peers. I’m not sure why you waste the time.

                • Anonymous

                  Is this what you do for a living? Insert answer here

                  The “utter delight of my peers”? I have less than 2.5 likes per post.

                  I do have over 6,400 posts in my local paper though, where I get called the most vile things imaginable. I’m wearing them down. You are merely wearing very thin.
                  Tiresome. You follow a similar route as Jared. You occupy the side of repeated failure. History is against you and will continue to walk straight across your frowning face.

                  You “liked” many of Jared’s posts. Nuff said. You will talk yourself right on out of here. If you get paid for it. The payer is a stupid as the payee. if you come back, bring a dozen more just like ya’. We need some sorry ass to get…sometimes we get bored…not today though.

                • Anonymous

                  So you call me out for not backing up my arguments, but then can’t say which arguments you want me to back up? And then you go back to the insults. Well, any time you’d like to try to “kick my ass”, you are quite welcome. Smarter more resourceful people have tried.

                • Anonymous

                  I’m sure they have sir, only they were right and you were uh…not right. Jesus (Haysoos) both condescended to and insulted the Pharasees, the Sadducees, the Scribes, and the lawyers of his day. I should do similar while fading in significance to He.

                  I am most certain you have notebook after notebook of un-notable quotes from every head that ever contained an egg. No thank you. It would be a waste of time and treasure.

                • Anonymous

                  Another reply without substance. Keep telling me that I’m wrong and proving nothing. You’re making my point more eloquently that I ever could.
                  In the scripture I read Jesus was both loving and kind in almost every situation. You are anything but.

                • Anonymous

                  Really(?), check him out in the temple where he overturned the moneychanger’s tables. Check his discourse out each time he spoke with the scribes, pharisees et al.

                  P.S. You are everything butt.

                • Anonymous

                  That’s why I said almost every situation. Just because I don’t believe in scripture doesn’t mean I didn’t read it.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  try huff po. It’s more your speed.

                • Anonymous

                  Another response to Rshill7 without substance. Or are accusations “substance” in lefty land?

                • Anonymous

                  Are you going to play lawyer now? I’m waiting for him to point out anything I said that couldn’t be backed up with reliable, verifiable facts. All he resorts to is name-calling, and now YOU jump on the band wagon? Don’t you people have anything to do? And what did I accuse him of, counselor?

                • Anonymous

                  Not just “him.”

                  “Fear-mongering conspiracy clap-trap”
                  “you’re not smart enough to pull it off”

                  So far you haven’t offered an actual argument; only vapid declarations, insults, and noise. This is a comment section, not a band wagon. You comment, and anyone who wants can respond. If you don’t want a response, don’t post.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  It’s a lurker TROLL for the most part.
                  All it needs is a cookie and some more obama kool-aid.

                  we have gallons as we do NOT drink it here.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  silly libratard, didn’t you get the memo on religion? Apparently not.

                  check with media matters. I’m sure they can hook you up.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  silly libratard, didn’t you get the memo on religion? Apparently not.

                  check with media matters. I’m sure they can hook you up.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  hit the like button by mistake.

                  Are you lost little baby troll? Did your mommy leave ALL alone?

                  Try Huff po, it’s down at the left.

                  more obama kool-aid for you????

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  hit the like button by mistake.

                  Are you lost little baby troll? Did your mommy leave ALL alone?

                  Try Huff po, it’s down at the left.

                  more obama kool-aid for you????

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  ahahahahahahahahhahaha so silly.

                  Are you done with that cookie ALLREADY???

                  well here have another one. THIS time chew it slowly.

                  More obama kool-aid??? We have gallons as we don’t drink it.

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                WOW!??? Guess you told us. Boy I feel SSSOOOOO humbled. And big words too!

                sorry,.. condescension does work JUST fine. Silly libratard.

                Here have a cookie with your obama kool-aid. But chew BEFORE you swallow.

            • Anonymous

              The condescension won’t work; you’re not smart enough to pull it off. I do in fact have much more to say, and I have in the past 24 hours. If someone would like to present some facts, and not just NWO BS, I’d probably have more to say on the subject. But BS is BS, and it doesn’t take more than one line to call it out. I followed the links and decided for myself, as the poster suggested. I see that the grad sweep of your intellect brings you straight to name-calling.

            • Anonymous

              The condescension won’t work; you’re not smart enough to pull it off. I do in fact have much more to say, and I have in the past 24 hours. If someone would like to present some facts, and not just NWO BS, I’d probably have more to say on the subject. But BS is BS, and it doesn’t take more than one line to call it out. I followed the links and decided for myself, as the poster suggested. I see that the grad sweep of your intellect brings you straight to name-calling.

          • Anonymous

            Doooooood, possess you anything other than stupid one-liners and “likes” for fools/lefties??

  • Anonymous

    Turbo Tax Tim can’t justify spendinga trillion dollars? He could do that in his sleep. Good for Ms. Ellmers!! haha

  • Anonymous

    Turbo Tax Tim can’t justify spendinga trillion dollars? He could do that in his sleep. Good for Ms. Ellmers!! haha

  • Anonymous

    That’s my rep. Hammer him. it is sad that not one gop establishment backed ellmers during her run. If it wasn’t for Gov Palin we would have bob the bully ethridge instead of this fine lady for NC-02

    • Anonymous

      I am glad she won, she seems pretty strong to me.

  • Anonymous

    He makes my case. The deficit requires massive cuts to government programs. Get on with it!

    Get this parasitic central government out of our way and America’s economy will roll over the the Communist Chinese and India like a tsunami.

    By the way…….. Renee Ellmers is a freshman representative who the Tea Party drove to victory over deeply entrenched Bob Etheridge. His campaign attacked her as an inexperienced, unqualified, silly, bimbo just like they have done to Sarah Palin. Guess she has shown them!

    (remember Bob “Who Are You” Etheridge?) :-)

  • Anonymous

    He makes my case. The deficit requires massive cuts to government programs. Get on with it!

    Get this parasitic central government out of our way and America’s economy will roll over the the Communist Chinese and India like a tsunami.

    By the way…….. Renee Ellmers is a freshman representative who the Tea Party drove to victory over deeply entrenched Bob Etheridge. His campaign attacked her as an inexperienced, unqualified, silly, bimbo just like they have done to Sarah Palin. Guess she has shown them!

    (remember Bob “Who Are You” Etheridge?) :-)

  • Anonymous

    They looted the Treasury and now are trying to cover it up. Cuts across the board. Shut departments down.

  • Anonymous

    He actually claimed we need more “investments”

    “Hey, buddy, I know it’s hard swimming out there, but if you hang on, I have an anvil for you.”

    • Anonymous

      To a Lib adding taxes is investing and cutting taxes is spending – sheesh!

  • Anonymous

    We need less investments? How exactly are we supposed to get the crazy growth rates you guys want without any capiital investments? I don’t really care whether it’s private or public, less assets and more consumables means less growth and more debt.

    You guys realize that the increased revenue through tax cuts idea doesn’t work at these tax levels even according to THE Laffer of the “Laffer Curve” the idea Reagan based it his economic plan? You can’t keep endlessly cutting taxes or we would have zero taxes and all be rich.

    Here’s an alternative plan: a flat tax. That’s right, everyone pays the same. The same effective 40% the middle class pays. Meanwhile keep paying the IRS money to hunt down tax cheats until they stop raking in more money than they spend doing so. Then the fellows on top only paying 17% on the 70% of their income the IRS estimates they report will be paying the exact same as the rest of us.

    Giving us enough money to pay down the debt entirely within the decade, while running a massive jobs and training program putting people to WORK and learning useful trades.

    Meanwhile make corporations pay taxes HERE for profits they make here. Anyone who thinks for a heartbeat poor little corporations are going to run away from the richest market in the world due to paying a few more points of taxes on profits (while receiving subsidies on bad years) is crazy.

    • Anonymous

      Forget laffer curves. We are in uncharted territory. A drastic change in trajectory is required, and a leader with the guts to do it.

      The root cause is spending not revenue. Not just slightly high spending, but out of control massively decadent wasteful spending designed only to entrench a central government and destroy anything not beholden to it.

      Absolutely everything should be off the table until out government is cut to 1/4 of its current size. That alone which accelerate our economy.

      Next comes Social security, Medicare and and Medcaid. Phased rollbacks to privatization like all savy corporations did a long time ago with pensions and medical benefits.

      Now… we can talk tax changes – carefully! The vermin in DC will take any opportunity to mess with taxes as an opportunity to start growing government again.

      Yes we need less worthless degrees and more hard skills. But the central government cannot do that. States and Industry can as soon as we close down the Department of Education.

      • Anonymous

        Uncharted territory? What economy are you talking about? Because I’m talking about the one going up to 28% GDP in government spending and 18% GDP taxes. Considering European countries go as high as 70%, I think it is safe to say we have seen higher expenditures in practice.

        Tax cuts below 18%? Cut spending to 1/4 current levels? So no police, firemen, cops, teachers, road, education, drug testing, healthcare, pensions, food testing, war on terror, drug war, empty the prisons, and then we would still have just enough for most of our military and intelligence agencies.

        You’re joking right?

        Those “savvy” corporations passed the buck to the government. There is nobody for the government to pass the buck to. Instead you want to give all our retirement money to investment firms. Such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers… Forgotten what happened to our financial corporations? Bet you are anti bailout too. Great idea! Who needs retirement?

        Last I checked the states and local governments already did mostly their own thing. Big part of why our students are falling behind the better managed industrial nations.

        • Anonymous

          So I get it! We need MORE money for the Dept of Education right? I mean…our students are falling behind and everything.

          • Anonymous

            Nope. First thing the Department of Education needs is to end Bush’s utterly failed “No Child Left Behind” policy. Pretty name. Horrible results.

            • Anonymous

              The Dept of Ed itself needs eliminating along with every teacher union in existence. The unions who teach in this country have many things as goals…none happen to be teaching. The entire system is a miserable failure, and trying to improve that is not the problem. People like you are.

            • Anonymous

              The Dept of Ed itself needs eliminating along with every teacher union in existence. The unions who teach in this country have many things as goals…none happen to be teaching. The entire system is a miserable failure, and trying to improve that is not the problem. People like you are.

              • Anonymous

                Never mind that the nations with the best education in the world are all extremely regulated educational systems. 4 out of the top 5 with teacher’s unions, and the fifth so socialized their “non” union teachers have more rights than our union teachers.

                Ah such destruction unions do to education.

          • Anonymous

            Nope. First thing the Department of Education needs is to end Bush’s utterly failed “No Child Left Behind” policy. Pretty name. Horrible results.

    • Anonymous

      “Concern” noted.

      How exactly are we supposed to get the crazy growth rates you guys want without any capital investments? I don’t really care whether it’s private or public…

      Then you aren’t interested in fixing anything, so why worry?

      Corporations pass their taxes onto their customers. That would be us.

      • Anonymous

        I care about a slow growth rate not even catching us up to where we were before the next crash. If you don’t care about THAT you don’t care about the economy. Actively sabotaging growth is stupid.

        Everyone passes on taxes to some extent. Consumers pass on taxes to corporations through reduced spending. Ever think of that?

        • Anonymous

          It’s not actually possible to use logical thought to imagine such an innumerate concept.

          It’s as non-sentient as claiming the poor are vitally necessary, and so someone has to keep them down. Which, of course is exactly what your form of imaginary economics does.

          • Anonymous

            Very nice K’bob. Jared got tossed earlier. It was a fun day.

            • Anonymous

              Heh. I saw his “gift of silence,” about three minutes before I typed my response anyway. I just couldn’t stop myself. (I must be a lefty. No self-control!)

              Must have been a long day for Ja-Red, though. Wonder if he learned anything.

              • Anonymous

                Don’t it remind you of a Simon and Garfunkel tune? Change the word ‘gift’ to ‘Sounds’ ;-)

                …and the band played on…

          • Anonymous

            Hey, I screwed that up. We can work with imaginary things using logic. We just can’t reason our way into the imaginary without allowing the element of fantasy.

            Of course, you still end up with fantasy that way.
            Yes, I am talking to myself here. Happens.

  • Anonymous

    EPIC FAIL.

  • Anonymous

    Its impossible for tax cuts to cause deficits.

    If the government would only spend just what it has.

  • Anonymous

    Cut and defund the EPA, NEA, Dept of Education, all the stupid grants, plenty more to cut, cut, cut.

    • Persephone

      Yes!
      All that, and…

      Eliminate the Commerce Dept.
      Outlaw all government unions…govt employees are not entitled to collective bargaining against We the People.
      Cut all non-military govt pensions to the same 1:1 ratio that most private sector jobs have.
      Term Limits on all bureaucracy desk jobs….10 yrs and you’re out in the private sector.

      And cut the Minimum Wage in half…if not eliminate it altogether.
      Let the free market determine wages.
      The job market will explode.

      Scale back our number of foreign bases!
      Why should we make the world safer for companies to create Jobs in other countries?
      Let those countries bear the cost of providing a Safe environment for their own commerce!

      *steps off of soapbox*

      • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo The Wizard of Oz

        Frick!!!

        I just had this really long post venting about the clip and how Bush tax cuts are being set up to take the blame again, but I deleted it because I felt that it was getting the better of me and I was getting angry (anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering). Had I known you had a soapbox available, I would have posted.

        • Persephone

          *pushes soapbox over to Wizard*

          There.
          Fire away, Wizard.
          It feels really good to unload.

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo The Wizard of Oz

            I’ll just bottle it all up like I tend to do—- no harm in that.

            Thanks anyway Persephone :)

            • Anonymous

              I would like to hear it. Cut taxes without cutting spending and zero economic growth to show for it.

              You realize debt is FAR worse than taxes right?
              When you borrow instead of paying for it with taxes:
              1. You pay the taxes anyways, when you pay back the dollar.
              2. Only you pay interest too, possibly doubling or more that dollar.
              3. That dollar invested in tbills is a dollar not invested elsewhere, such as in a business. So you reduce GDP growth.

              Debt is far worse than taxes.

              Meanwhile, excluding military, the government doesn’t just burn money it taxes. It spends it. There is “deadweight” loss due to time and admin, but that is typically only a few percentage points. So long as the government program is more helpful than that small loss, it is a net economic GROWTH.

              Cutting programs that almost double every dollar spent on them or more, is just plain stupid. Economic suicide.

              • Anonymous

                We need Adam Smith’s invisible hand, not government’s iron fist. It sounds like you are a Keynesian. To me that’s the same as being really dumb. Synonyms.

                When the iron fist of government is controlling too many aspects of our economy, the invisible hand is thwarted. This counrty is in self-destruct mode. Debt and taxes are both killers.

                • Anonymous

                  Have you ever READ Adam Smith? He mentioned the invisible hand twice in his great big book of economic theories. When he did so he added equivocations such as “much of the time” and in a “well structured” market. Which means not all of the time, and market should be structured for it. lol

                  Adam Smith’s primary emphasis, which he mentioned not twice in passing over a total of two paragraphs, but rather opened with a chapter on it and repeated it, was a much simpler concept. Every economy spends some of its money on upkeep, some on consumption, and some on assets. If, at the end of the day after money has changed everyone’s hands and materials have been worn by time and use, you end up with more assets than you started with then the economy has grown. If less, the economy shrinks.

                  It’s all about the economic growth! THAT is Adam Smith! These proposals destroy growth by destroying assets and increasing consumption. The end.

                • Anonymous

                  Keep dog-paddling pooch. “The end” indeed. That’s where your theories would lead along with those of your side…just as they always do. We are not going all the way down your dirt road sir. We are slamming on the brakes and we are turning around. Deal with it…preferably over at HuffPo.

                • Anonymous

                  Keep dog-paddling pooch. “The end” indeed. That’s where your theories would lead along with those of your side…just as they always do. We are not going all the way down your dirt road sir. We are slamming on the brakes and we are turning around. Deal with it…preferably over at HuffPo.

                • Anonymous

                  Keep dog-paddling pooch. “The end” indeed. That’s where your theories would lead along with those of your side…just as they always do. We are not going all the way down your dirt road sir. We are slamming on the brakes and we are turning around. Deal with it…preferably over at HuffPo.

                • Anonymous

                  Congrats on your ability to read. Since you didn’t counter my proper description, it appears you don’t have a counter.

                  Don’t use Adam Smith’s name for insanities directly opposed by his words.

                • Anonymous

                  The counter is simply this. Your side is vehemently opposed to economic growth. This is evident by their actions. Nothing they have done has contributed to it. On the contrary!

                  If you want economic growth, you’re on the wrong side. They have done all possible to stymie economic growth. Gov. produces nothing. Government grows nothing, other than debt. The Government is never the solution…it is always the problem. How’s that? Now you defend what has happened since the big dumb O’ took office!

                • Anonymous

                  I assume you think I am a democrat hence “my side.” False but let’s run with that.

                  Democrats have higher economic growth when they are in control. Republicans have less. Go look it up. Bush Jr. was the first president in history to mess up the economy so badly as to have no growth or a loss over two terms.

                • Anonymous

                  Oh there’s been growth alright…cancer-style…in the wrong direction. There’s been growth alright…socialism is now a magic beanstalk over here and across the globe. No, I don’t think you’re a democrat, I think you’re a socialist or a communist. A collectivist. You have no where else to go though. Citizens of many developed countries are realizing this. These countries are implementing austerity measures…why? Because socialism destroys everything…most notably, productivity and the individual.

                  America will reject that kind of growth. Also, try this on for size. Republican Presidents usually get in after Democrats have mucked things up big. By the time the Republican fixes them, a Democrat gets back in a takes credit for them. When we have a rino Republican President, their tactics, which are similar to democrat tactics, don’t fix anything, then another democrat gets in and all hell breaks loose. That’s what we have now.

                • Anonymous

                  The only work on collectivism I’ve read is the Bible. Satan’s helper’s always fight helping their fellow man.

                  Partly because the IMF is requiring them to do so. Never mind anyone obeying the IMF is an idiot as they have destroyed every economy they have touched.

                • Anonymous

                  Jared, I appreciate the discourse. You do not comprehend the Bible either.

                  I just thought I’d come in here and smoke out your inner commie. “Helping” one’s fellow man does not include murdering his spirit. My work here is done.

                  “For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10 (KJV)

                • Anonymous

                  Might I suggest it is hard to work when there are no jobs?

                  Teach a man to fish does not mean telling people to go fuck themselves. It means teaching them a useful trade. A JOBS PROGRAM.

                  Check with your local pastor.

                • Anonymous

                  Bible preempts pastors sir. Pastor/schmaster.

                  It’s a very popular book, and I know it extreeeeeeemely well.

                  Question: Where is Government in all of that?

                  Answer: NOWHERE!

                • Anonymous

                  Where in there does it say STOP doing that? Nowhere!

                • Anonymous

                  SLOTH! Read all verses about it.

                • Anonymous

                  SLOTH! Read all verses about it.

                • Anonymous

                  I’ve read it many times. Including submit to earthly authority, particularly taxes, even up to taxing the church itself!

                • Anonymous

                  Oh there’s been growth alright…cancer-style…in the wrong direction. There’s been growth alright…socialism is now a magic beanstalk over here and across the globe. No, I don’t think you’re a democrat, I think you’re a socialist or a communist. A collectivist. You have no where else to go though. Citizens of many developed countries are realizing this. These countries are implementing austerity measures…why? Because socialism destroys everything…most notably, productivity and the individual.

                  America will reject that kind of growth. Also, try this on for size. Republican Presidents usually get in after Democrats have mucked things up big. By the time the Republican fixes them, a Democrat gets back in a takes credit for them. When we have a rino Republican President, their tactics, which are similar to democrat tactics, don’t fix anything, then another democrat gets in and all hell breaks loose. That’s what we have now.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  you are a LIBRATARD. and a DemocRAT. same thing.

                  You are an idiot. STOP proving it with every statement you make.

                • Anonymous

                  I assume you think I am a democrat hence “my side.” False but let’s run with that.

                  Democrats have higher economic growth when they are in control. Republicans have less. Go look it up. Bush Jr. was the first president in history to mess up the economy so badly as to have no growth or a loss over two terms.

                • Persephone

                  Psst…Rshill, I think what we have here is Tyler again, under yet another new netname.
                  And since he seems to be one of RS’s pets [because he never gets called out on anything he says]…your valiant efforts of coherent discourse, are alas…futile in the face of such ardent youthful obstinance.

                • Anonymous

                  Coherent discourse is being had. The horror that there might be a disagreement. :-)

                  What did your comment add to the discussion other than bile?

                • Anonymous

                  The act of calling spade a spade Jared.

                  Perse: It was good clean fun. I wanted to whitewash him with his own brush-strokes. I think I succeeded. He looks a little pale. My points stand whilst his is regaled in a court jester outfit and is tripping the light fantastic for it’s life.

                  Jared, is that a little octopus on your head or standard issue jester headgear?

                • Anonymous

                  The act of calling spade a spade Jared.

                  Perse: It was good clean fun. I wanted to whitewash him with his own brush-strokes. I think I succeeded. He looks a little pale. My points stand whilst his is regaled in a court jester outfit and is tripping the light fantastic for it’s life.

                  Jared, is that a little octopus on your head or standard issue jester headgear?

                • Persephone

                  Engage away, mighty Rshill.
                  But hold no quarter on his In Quartata.

                • Anonymous

                  What points stand? That quote from the bible saying to stop with your help does not exist. The difference between growth is still there. You stand corrected on what Smith wrote.

                  You dance well little jester, but read poorly.

                • Anonymous

                  It was my first Biblical quote from II Thes. Jared.

                  Gettest thou a hobby sir. Silence would make you much the wiser.

                  Did you have any Subway Sandwiches today? Congrats on the fat burning.
                  Now if you could trim some of the fat from your obese posts ‘twould be welcome.
                  I think virtually everyone here thinks you a fool. Hence, the jester comment.

                  Since you want to quote and misquote the Bible by paraphrasing it. Do you believe in the virgin birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

                • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

                  He was just granted the gift of silence. Maybe he will become the wiser.

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  wtg!!!!!

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  LOL!!! GREAT REPLY to this MAROON!!

                  It’s a MINISTRY OF TRUTH OBAMA TROLL on the loose.

                  It has taken a lot of willpower NOT to troll post on it’s comments as I do NOT want to get rscoop mad at me again.

                  so to jaREDp:

                  “hello TROLL”.

                • Persephone

                  Bile?
                  Nooo…I wouldn’t dream of transgressing into your specialty, Tyler.

                  Your attempts at coherency are more revealing about…you…than you are obviously able to discern.

                  Since you are obviously exempt from enforcement of the ‘Trolling for a fight’ transgression that is otherwise enforced here…agitate away!
                  But it would be nice if you refrained from attacking innocent infrequent posters who are unaware of your combative style.
                  Those are cheap shots.
                  Unless your goal is to drive people away.

                  I do thank you, however, for honoring my request to leave me alone.
                  You are a somewhat honorable young man overall, I think…albeit a cynnical and misguided one, in search of facts to fit your own inexperienced conclusions.

                  Oh, btw…those inbred RINOs on the Tulsa City Council were simply using the ole ‘hire-an-outside-consultant-firm-to-cover-your-inneptitude’ ploy.
                  That is the modus operandi of all bad executives.
                  So I wouldn’t be holding that up as an example of why ‘spending more taxpayer money’ is a good idea, if I were you.

                • Anonymous

                  The name is Jared. Easy to remember.

                  I’m sure you’ll learn to hate me or not for entirely different reasons from whoever that guy is. :-)

                  Good google to spot Tulsa, but it is the mayor who is incompetent and embezzling funds. The outside audit was actually to gather data to impeach him. Good governing by the board.

                  If you find incoherency, point it out. I will either elaborate with sources or correct myself and apologize. I certainly would like others to do the same.

                • Anonymous

                  The name is Jared. Easy to remember.

                  I’m sure you’ll learn to hate me or not for entirely different reasons from whoever that guy is. :-)

                  Good google to spot Tulsa, but it is the mayor who is incompetent and embezzling funds. The outside audit was actually to gather data to impeach him. Good governing by the board.

                  If you find incoherency, point it out. I will either elaborate with sources or correct myself and apologize. I certainly would like others to do the same.

                • Anonymous

                  “My God. It’s full of douche.”

                  That’s like, a direct quote from some book I pretended to read. It had spaceships in it. Which, as you damned well know, are physically impossible.

                • Anonymous

                  “My God. It’s full of douche.”

                  That’s like, a direct quote from some book I pretended to read. It had spaceships in it. Which, as you damned well know, are physically impossible.

                • Anonymous

                  That is one good book Rshill7! Completely changed the way I think. Not that I used to be liberal (dumb), but it really made sense out of government nonsense.

                • Anonymous

                  Adam Smith would spank your bottom blue with your slander of his economic theory. He was a capitalist, not a government boot licker. You used Adam Smith after your illogical, easily destroyed proofs. Haha! That is like FDR applying Milton Friedman’s economic principles to boost the economy.

                • Anonymous

                  I can do Friedman if you like. You realize he proposed a flat fee to be paid to all the poor out of the taxes from the rich?

                  Adam Smith is one of the greatest secular humanist writers in history. To think his economic goal was to throw everyone to the wolves is mind boggling.

                  “It is reason, principle, conscience, the inhabitant of the breast, the man within, the great judge and arbiter of our conduct.” [This Impartial Spectator] … “calls to us, with a voice capable of astonishing the most presumptuous of our passions, that we are but one of the multitude, in no respect better than any other in it; and that when we prefer ourselves so shamefully and so blindly to others, we become the proper objects of resentment, abhorrence, and execration. It is from him only that we learn the real littleness of ourselves. It is this impartial spectator … who shows us the propriety of generosity and the deformity of injustice; the propriety of resigning the greatest interests of our own, for the yet greater interests of others … in order to obtain the greatest benefit to ourselves. It is not the lover of our neighbour, it is not the love of mankind, which upon many occasions prompts us to the practice of those divine virtues. It is a stronger love, a more powerful affection, the love of what is honourable and noble, the grandeur, and dignity, and superiority of our own characters.” – Adam Smith

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  copy and past much?

                • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

                  copy and past much?

                • Anonymous

                  Stevenbiot. I have become a big fan today sir :-)

                  Great day! Salute!

                • Anonymous

                  Stevenbiot. I have become a big fan today sir :-)

                  Great day! Salute!

  • Anonymous

    She could have made her last sentence shorter. A plain, old, across the board – YOU ARE WRONG would have worked.

  • http://twitter.com/shane77rose Shane

    Why do all the women in the Republican party have balls???? The men are a bunch of geldings……RUN SARAH RUN She’s got the biggest balls of all!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Ewwwww. Unacceptable mental image. Must go to Free Repubic and see some cleansing pics of the Governor.

      Ahhhhhhh. That’s better.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo The Wizard of Oz

    I was disgusted when the tax cheat said that big businesses have “tax benefits”- What the crap is a tax benefit?

  • blackbird

    “no alternative” he is lying. I cannot wait for a certain No.22 Lady Warrior from Wasilla to be President who has a “No-nonsense, common sense, constitutional commitment to public service” http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/06/%E2%80%9Ci-am-sarah-palin%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-an-interview-with-a-palinista.html

  • Frederick

    Government must shrink.

  • Anonymous

    Where did Geithner get the claim that only 3% of small business earn $250k or more per year?

    Even if it’s true then those higher taxes will still disincentivise small businesses from growing to the point where they earn $250k or more. If there is to ever be another Microsoft or Apple, then businesses have to want to earn more than $250k per year.

    Yet again, government is the problem, not the solution.

  • http://www.foxnews.com timltbird

    How do these people get through life? Do they all believe they’re still in college …listening to their “Marxist” and “Utopian” professors..attempting to run their doctoral thesis? Hey Timmy…isn’t there some well you need to fall down in?

  • David Robertson

    Kill the Department of Education. Money does not equal better ed. Some of the best schools in the country work on lower $$ per head.

  • Kasandra

    Sorry, Geithner, but raising taxes is NOT an ACCEPTABLE option. I’ve noticed this same pattern along state lines too where a Dem is in office. They always say the only way to fix their out of balance budgets is to increase taxes. Nothing about all the money wasted on their overspending that caused the mess in the first place.

  • Kasandra

    Sorry, Geithner, but raising taxes is NOT an ACCEPTABLE option. I’ve noticed this same pattern along state lines too where a Dem is in office. They always say the only way to fix their out of balance budgets is to increase taxes. Nothing about all the money wasted on their overspending that caused the mess in the first place.

    • Anonymous

      I’ve noticed that a lot of states are doing fine until republicans come in and cut taxes.

      Following that, what are states supposed to do? Let the roads decay, destroying the economy? Close the schools so we don’t have future workers? Continue falling into debt?

      This isn’t the federal economy we are talking about, it’s a state. What bloat? Show it to me. States have been trimming for decades. They are down to muscle and bone.

      My current city recently hired an outside firm to try to find ANYTHING we could cut that wouldn’t do more economic harm that it saved. The firm’s decision? We needed to raise spending the trash was piling up and other reduced services were driving away business. This is in Oklahoma, with a republican city board hiring a conservative business analysts firm on a donation and recommendation of a local oil man.

      How else do you pay for the basic services required to get businesses but taxes? If you think for a heartbeat a business won’t take another percent in taxes to get even more savings through a hood infrastructure to ship goods and materials, and a trained work force, then you are delusional.

      • Anonymous

        What about New York, California, and New Mexico? Come on Jared. You have to be mad at the world with your lack of insight.

        • Anonymous

          What specifically about them?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

          It’s a MINISTRY OF TRUTH OBAMA TROLL don’t feed it just flag it and move on.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

        MAKING UP stuff and saying it is fact is STILL called LYING.

        The ONLY sates that are doing just ok ARE the REPUBLICAN controlled states EXCLUDING the ones that just turned red on the LAST election that you were handed your head in.

        You have a great STRAWMAN argument going there.

        back to huff po with you.

        You are an idiot. STOP proving it with every statement you make.

  • http://twitter.com/wbcsaint Sam R

    “We need jobs to grow our economy.” DUH!! So how about you and the rest of your elite “economists” all get outta the way and let the American people grow the job market?

  • http://twitter.com/wbcsaint Sam R

    “We need jobs to grow our economy.” DUH!! So how about you and the rest of your elite “economists” all get outta the way and let the American people grow the job market?

  • http://twitter.com/Chris100358 Chris

    As Mark Simone states – we do NOT have a revenue problem – we have an insane out of control SPENDING problem!
    Has Timmy-tax-cheat told Obama to STOP SPENDING?!?!?!?!

    Meanwhile… Boehner(the 20+ year over spending, liberal republican enabler who helped get us INTO this MESS) and Obama (the Income redistribution-in-Chief) are negotiating our budget and the debt limit ceiling.
    WHAT. COULD. GO. WRONG. THERE?

    • Anonymous

      We could not come to a compromise, default on our debts, precipitating an international crisis taking us from the great recession to something more like the great depression.

      First thing that comes to mind. :)

      • http://twitter.com/Chris100358 Chris

        We are already defaulting on our debts. There already is an international crisis – I do not know where you have been or what you have been reading. We are already meeting or exceeding the bottom of the barrel indicators of the Great Depression.
        WAKE UP.
        You cannot keep listening to the inside the Beltway and Ivy Wall prevaricators any longer. Start looking 8-12 pages deep in the NY Times and WSJ. Read the Daily Caller and other foreign papers.
        The very rich, the DC politicians(I know that’s redundant for the most part), the 45%-or-so who live outside of urban centers – will be relatively unaffected when the bottom drops out(slowly or not so slowly) but the remaining 50+% will be hammered and there will be as we have already seen in England, France, Greece and the middle east, violence in the streets.

        • Anonymous

          No. We are already raiding pensions. No debts have technically defaulted yet. If so, that would be a HUGE story, and I would like to see it.

          Your grasp of history seems poor. We don’t have mass migration and starvation going on as the entire nation desperately scrambles just to survive. Destroying our safety nets without getting jobs first would do it though.

  • Anonymous

    Is there any doubt anymore on any side of the “aisle” that Corporations are an economic cancer?

    This would just be one more barrier to entry of hundreds bought and paid for by the moneyed interests of political entrepreneurs.

    • Anonymous

      Well, that shows that if you go too far into Libertarianism, you magically end up on the far left, agreeing with Chairman Mao.

      Corporations are nothing more than legal entities that persist on paper, but in fact, constitute a population of workers. They’re made of people. Just like soylent green.

      So ranting against corporations is pretty much anti-people.

      • Anonymous

        Corporations are legal entities, yes, that are granted that status of favored legal protections through petition and lobbying of the government. And sorry to disappoint, but I’m not a Maoist, even though he was correct about political power coming from the barrel of a gun.

        Being opposed to corporations buying congresscritters for favoritism in tax loopholes and regulations and to erect barriers to entry to isolate them from competition and oligopsonize the labor market doesn’t make you a Communist. If you favor a free market, you are opposed to all of those things too.

        • Anonymous

          You don’t have to wear the red shirt to agree with The Chairman.

          I can be opposed to certain things corporations and individuals do, without labeling the concept of corporations and individuals as inherently evil.

          • Anonymous

            As they say, even a broken clock…

            The partnership between government and the state is the root of almost all, if not all, of our economic woes. Without the government you wouldn’t have the corporate veil of liability or any of those other travesties I mentioned, or even corporations at all since they are state-created entities in the first place.

            Favored legal status and socialized losses are antithetical to free markets.

            • Anonymous

              You are conflating a genuine problem (your last sentence) with the fact that corporations exist in law. They are not logically, nor causally connected.

              Looters in government, and their cronies outside of it, are the problem; not the existence of legal entities such as Corporations, Agencies, Representatives, Legal Counsel, Fiduciaries, Agents, De Facto agents, and Citizens. Each citizen participates in the law as one form of legal entity or another (or several). This allows law to be non-discriminatory. Without that aspect of law, you have no such thing as blind justice.

              So the ability of men to form compacts under the law to create wealth is very much part of free markets and liberty. Disallowing those entities would be an act of pure tyranny.

              • Anonymous

                When you have a central organization with a monopoly on what is law and what isn’t, the corruption of this through nepotism and moneyed interests is inevitable. Incorporation is the result of that, not something independent suffering from similar or the same affliction.

                I’m not against firms or companies per se. Corporations are specifically the companies which petition the government and receive special shielding from liabilities and favored legal status separate from other firms. THAT is the negation of “blind justice.”

                I’m not opposed to people organizing for profit. Monocentric law is the problem, this marriage of the corporate and government interest is the result. A congressman’s or President’s re-election campaign is the best investment these people can make.

                • Anonymous

                  Mono-centric law? The alternative is anarchy. No law, no property. You can’t have a free market without property.

                • Anonymous

                  Government creates the monsters which are corporations. Then they bail them out when they fail. They give them waivers. They regulate and legislate to keep them shielded from competition, and keep the little guy from succeeding. How many new car companies have tried to get off the ground just to have government shut them down? Or high efficiency cars created, then rejected by government for sale and having to be made a three wheel vehicle that classifies as a motorcycle just to be able to sell it? Large companies are not a problem. Corporations are. A corporation by definition is that which is created by government, and protected by it. You cannot be a corporation without permission, and under certain criteria. Once you qualify, you are now afforded the privileges of such status. The bigger you get, the more favored you are.

                  If your industry dies because of government selling out the country, you might get bailed out because of how big you are. Then government can use you to keep their union buddies in business. You can send your CEOs off to work in the regulatory agencies to shut down your competition, then go right back to your company job. Happens all the time.

  • Anonymous

    Rshill7
    4 minutes ago
    SLOTH! Read all verses about it.
    reply

    I’ve read them all. Many times. I’ve also read many verses about submitting to earthly authority, particularly taxes, clear up to a tax on the church itself!

    Ranting against government taxes to feed the hungry and care for the sick? For shame.

    • Anonymous

      You mean render unto Caeser what is Caeser’s and unto God what is God’s? That doesn’t sound like the church paying taxes to me. The Biblical admonition to feed the hungry, visit the sick etc. is directed at individuals…you know, those you rail against. The US Government is the most adept money waster there is. The only they do well is break things.

      You would keep people down and destroy their spirits. I could never do that. Some people are hungry because they have bedsores on their perfectly capable asses. Should they receive largesse from anyone? NO! Not the gov. not anyone. The real shame is how you would propagate failed policies and try to put out fires with gasoline. You would also pay your alms with the fruits of others. Thief. That’s really virtuous of you (not). How much of your own skin would be in that game? Are you one of the near 50% who pay zero taxes? I am not. Get out of my way.

      • Anonymous

        Mr. Hill, I couldn’t agree more! I don’t recall in Luke 18:18 Jesus demanding the Rich Young Ruler go and give his wealth over to Roman guards (at the tip of their spears) for them to distribute it.

        • Anonymous

          Thou speakest truth 007.

          Thanks :-)

      • Anonymous

        Go read the bit that came before. The question which he answered. They were asking him about a proposed tax on the church.

        Perhaps you should read the bible before refuting what it says?

        Oh, and the middle class pays an effective rate of approximately 40% on every dollar they take in when you combine all taxes and fees. As compared to the 17% of the rich. I know it’s shocking to suggest we should all pay the same rate.

        • Anonymous

          Actually the top income tax rate is 35%. Not to mention 15-35% capital gains tax rates (short & LT) and a death tax of 45%. And those are just federal taxes. But hey, who needs real numbers when you can blame all your problems on the rich!

    • Anonymous

      You mean render unto Caeser what is Caeser’s and unto God what is God’s? That doesn’t sound like the church paying taxes to me. The Biblical admonition to feed the hungry, visit the sick etc. is directed at individuals…you know, those you rail against. The US Government is the most adept money waster there is. The only they do well is break things.

      You would keep people down and destroy their spirits. I could never do that. Some people are hungry because they have bedsores on their perfectly capable asses. Should they receive largesse from anyone? NO! Not the gov. not anyone. The real shame is how you would propagate failed policies and try to put out fires with gasoline. You would also pay your alms with the fruits of others. Thief. That’s really virtuous of you (not). How much of your own skin would be in that game? Are you one of the near 50% who pay zero taxes? I am not. Get out of my way.

  • Anonymous

    Just a reminder, Geithner really is wrong, but no need to cut spending if the only goal is to balance the budget.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/chart-of-the-day-if-congress-does-nothing-the-deficit-will-disappear.php?ref=fpa

    When the Bush Tax cuts go away, so too does the deficit. A deficit is what happens when you slash income for no reason.

    • Anonymous

      Come on now man. If taxes go up, revenue goes down. Tax cuts always increase spending and investing. This is supply and demand 101 broseph. The thing is that government will have to cut entitlement spending, pork, etc. Budgets can be reduced. We have to reduce the dependency in this nation. As you can see, since the War on Poverty debacle, entitlement spending has gone up. When do you think that level will decrease? Answer: never. It will keep increasing until regulations diminish, unions are busted, and people are inspired to work due to having hungry bellies.

      • Anonymous

        Well, that’s a nice idea, if it actually worked.

        Show me the increased spending and investment of the Bush Tax Cuts.

        Your idea isn’t even based on a theoretical model as far as I can tell, much less a measure of reality.

    • Anonymous

      Really? You were pining away like a sailor for a siren and vice versa, just a little while ago, for growth…economic growth. Growth would expand the taxbase. Tax cuts often increase revenue to the Gov. The key is not to spend/waste all of the revenue increase. If this Gov. were a racehorse, you would shoot him in the head right as the gates open. Were it a dragster, you would pop a triple chute when the light turned green.

      Weeeeeee, you’re a fun one you are :-)
      In a sad kind of way :-(

      • Anonymous

        Even REAGAN’S economists say there has been no noticable affect on the economy since the top marginal tax rate dropped below 70% or so. Nothing.

        You want to expand growth while increasing revenue through tax cuts? Fine. Let’s cut it all the way to ZERO. Oh wait, that won’t work. So there must be some point where tax cuts won’t keep increasing revenue. We passed that line clear back under Reagan.

        • Anonymous

          Reagan’s tax cuts increased revenue by 75%, but the dem Congress increased spending by 300% his first year. He had to give in to Tip Oneil often. The flood of revenue proved that at 70% tax bracket, taxes were way too high.

          The 2003 Bush tax cuts inreased revenues $785 billion. The largest four year increase in history. In 2007 (the last year under a Republican budget) the deficit was a very manageable $161 billion. Of course we all know what event happened in late 2008 to change that. So if tax cuts “cause huge deficits”, why weren’t we running huge budget deficits all in the 2000’s ?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

      I’m sorry but after READING ALL this IDIOT LIBRATARD TROLLs Posts,

      I Have to say it,.. PLEASE go back to HUFF PO to SPEW your LIBRATARD fantasies over there.

      It has only 81 posts SO it IS safe to say it IT an MINISTRY OF TRUTH OBAMA TROLL.

      HEY TROLL,…. DESIST AND DECEASE.

      You are an idiot. STOP proving it with every statement you make.

      PS. rscoop, I wont’ toll flag this IDIOT any more as IT is APPARENT what it is.

      Sorry cant help it.

      It’s Talking points memo pretty much covers it’s STUPIDITY.

  • Anonymous

    Right out of the July 27th CBO report: In addition, if the payment of interest on the extra debt was financed by imposing higher marginal tax rates, those rates would discourage work and saving and further reduce output. No Geitner! Taxes bad, decreasing spending and removing regulation…..Good! You have to talk to these idiots like two year olds. I’m sorry for insulting two year olds.

  • Anonymous

    There in lies the whole problem. There is not a single person anywhere in this entire administration that has any practical real world experience at anything except going to school. Our country is being run by a bunch of egghead professors who only know what works in models on paper, it’s never been tested. Once they begin their experiments they become like parents and will not let go of their failures.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

    Geithner,.. WHO does NOT even pay his OWN taxes on time,…

    WANTS MORE of OUR MONEY to GIVE to his UNIONS MASTERS,.. etc,…

    YES YOU ARE doing it because you want to timmy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_53YAPDXSTIGEDINDXF46CAB7ZY voted against carter

    Geithner,.. WHO does NOT even pay his OWN taxes on time,…

    WANTS MORE of OUR MONEY to GIVE to his UNIONS MASTERS,.. etc,…

    YES YOU ARE doing it because you want to timmy.

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com PunditPawn

    Geithner is such a tool.

  • http://punditpawn.wordpress.com PunditPawn

    Geithner is such a tool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-James/578078192 Jim James

    Keep it up, Dems. Bleed the horse dry, then wonder why the cart won’t move…..