Glenn Beck exposes ABC’s propaganda piece on 8/28

Posted by The Right Scoop on Aug 27, 2010 at 10:42 AM in Politics | 55 Comments
By The Right Scoop


This morning Claire Shipman did a piece for Good Morning America on Beck’s 8/28 that was nothing more than an intentional hatchet job. ABC intentionally took a statement (not even a complete sentence) Beck said out of context so bad that it makes him out to be some kind of racist hate monger. Beck refers to it as propaganda piece that he likens to something Joseph Goebbels would have done.


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  • The Monster

    It’s “Goebbels”, not “Gerbils”

  • http://twitter.com/gothicreader JW

    I’m not surprised, since anything good is always going to be questioned by the media. It’s beyond them to be unbiased.

    Well, tomorrow they will be surprise of how many Americans, regardless of color, creed, ethnicity will show up to this event.

  • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

    yeah so I noticed. I couldn’t remember how to spell and google was NO HELP. I blame google.

  • Anonymous

    It MIGHT be gerbils!!! they are evil little animals, even worse than bee’s

  • Anonymous

    I blame Bush!

  • Anonymous

    I kinda like gerbils….

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/JJWAFS3CTAETTM6GCM4ZA7TNAU don c

    Glenn needs to do his thing and forget about these idiots. The American people will see the 2/28 meeting and it will speak for itself. The media propagandists are known to clear thinking people. Even during the Nazi rein, most clear thinking people knew it was propaganda. And we all know how that turned out.

  • KeninMontana

    It shows just how desperate the left has become, they see that the tide is rising against them, the LSM can sense their demise approaching they have become,irrelevant.

  • Tyler

    The Daily Show & The Colbert Report did a small job on him too…but at least moved on after just a few minutes to other topics because they’re more about making fun of everything they can in the half hour they each have.

  • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

    hahaha, funny stuff!

  • christopher

    Progressive Cancer.

  • http://twitter.com/artfromtex Arthur Autrey

    Dear God, please let people see through these lies and seek the truth. Please let them see how wicked these progressives are and let them see the contrast and choose to side with those that adhere to the natural law.

  • Carter

    I think that Glenn Beck is awesome.

  • http://www.facebook.com/loser101 Nicholas Peter Urgero

    glenn is a BEAST!!

  • Chris

    Its a shame that most of these comment are in favor of Beck, because it show how racist people still are. I mean “Good that Beck is doing”, clearly people dont care about the real contributions of Dr. King, Beck and the tea party are racist trying to repackage there message into something sounding good.

    • Anonymous

      What’s sad about blinded by hate people like you is that if you listened to Beck’s meeting and Al Sharpton’s meeting you see two different worlds. Beck’s was positive and upbeat and Sharptons was mean and noninclusive of any white person who dared try to praise Dr. King’s work. Every black person interviewed at Sharpton’s event was disparaging of Beck’s crowd and whites in general. Boasting by Sharpton himself that “We” meaning the black people at his event had claim to Dr. Kings legacy and that Beck and his crowd did not.

  • sodizzy

    Nobody held a gun to Dr. King’s niece and forced her. She bravely comes of her own free will to join many of us who do not have the approval of our family and friends now that we are “jumping ship” publicly. I think there’s a better way than the strong arm politics I have been seeing for years on the left.

  • KeninMontana

    You people on the left just can’t help yourselves can you? Your response to anything you oppose like liberty,freedom,honor and the Constitution or those that stand for and support these things is to play the “race card” and hope to incite those you would attack. All you accomplish is to show us just how pathetic and desperate you on the left have become as you watch your chance at power slip from your grasp. Your diatribe and pathetically weak and juvenile name calling only serve to steel our resolve and strengthen us as we advance towards restoring our Republic in spite of you and your kind. In plain English, You have failed.

  • Anonymous

    Obviously you are the racist one. What do you have against Black Americans? Why don’t you want Glenn Beck talking about all the contributions from all the brave black people that helped make this the greatest country on earth? What do you have to gain by trying to suppress all the contributions of these great men?

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/OUNFNNK4VWVNQZWD743RKW5UYM jonathon b

    seriously Chris? that statement makes me think you don’t use your head for anything other than a hat rack. come back when you have an actual thought.

  • Dante

    the problem, to my mind, is twofold.

    a) beck, in stating that “black folks don’t own Dr. King”, implies that the only reason people are concerned with his appropriation of MLK’s legacy is caused completely by race. this, within itself, demonstrates at the very least a stunning lack of self-awareness and at worst the kind of clumsy, hacky, cheap racism that he’s been juggling for years now.

    b)Dr. King and Beck couldn’t have been further removed in terms of general world view and specific perspective on what the role of government is.

    Dr. King called for an economic Bill of Rights on several occasions, the very thing Beck refers to as one of the more dangerously radical notions that Cass Sundstein subscribes to.

    Dr. King *demanded* – the entire point of the original march on Washington! – that the Federal Government intervene on state and municipal levels to ensure that people couldn’t be subject to race based discrimination. Beck today calls this degree of government intervention marxisocialicommiewhateverism or something that will surely destroy the republic.

    Dr. King’s I Have A Dream speech contains the content of character fragment that Beck’s so very fond of referencing. However, preceding that ideal result were paragraphs of specific *preconditions* – economic equality/wealth redistribution, the enforcement of meaningful civil rights by the state, compensating for the structural denial of opportunity from marginalized groups by providing them with more resources than other groups, etc. – that had to be met before that beautiful dream was able to realized. Beck wants none of those preconditions met. Frankly, his rally will be in direct opposition to those notions.

    Those are just 3 examples off the top of my head about the obvious, distinct fundamental disagreements that Dr. King and Beck have about the biggest possible issues, the issues that this rally has coalesced around.

    That’s why people are upset about this. Not because Glenn is white. The frustration exists solely because he’s dishonoring MLK’s legacy by completely disregarding everything the man stood for save for the tiny, reductionist slivers of Dr. King’s statements that sync up with his world view.

    If you don’t understand that, it’s because you want to maintain a sense of hollow, self-righteous indignation. Feel free. Understand this, though: you’re on the wrong side of history on this. And if you’re lucky, you’ll be ashamed about it before too much time passes.

  • Dante

    the problem, to my mind, is twofold.

    a) beck, in stating that “black folks don’t own Dr. King”, implies that the only reason people are concerned with his appropriation of MLK’s legacy is caused completely by race. this, within itself, demonstrates at the very least a stunning lack of self-awareness and at worst the kind of clumsy, hacky, cheap racism that he’s been juggling for years now.

    b)Dr. King and Beck couldn’t have been further removed in terms of general world view and specific perspective on what the role of government is.

    Dr. King called for an economic Bill of Rights on several occasions, the very thing Beck refers to as one of the more dangerously radical notions that Cass Sundstein subscribes to.

    Dr. King *demanded* – the entire point of the original march on Washington! – that the Federal Government intervene on state and municipal levels to ensure that people couldn’t be subject to race based discrimination. Beck today calls this degree of government intervention marxisocialicommiewhateverism or something that will surely destroy the republic.

    Dr. King’s I Have A Dream speech contains the content of character fragment that Beck’s so very fond of referencing. However, preceding that ideal result were paragraphs of specific *preconditions* – economic equality/wealth redistribution, the enforcement of meaningful civil rights by the state, compensating for the structural denial of opportunity from marginalized groups by providing them with more resources than other groups, etc. – that had to be met before that beautiful dream was able to realized. Beck wants none of those preconditions met. Frankly, his rally will be in direct opposition to those notions.

    Those are just 3 examples off the top of my head about the obvious, distinct fundamental disagreements that Dr. King and Beck have about the biggest possible issues, the issues that this rally has coalesced around.

    That’s why people are upset about this. Not because Glenn is white. The frustration exists solely because he’s dishonoring MLK’s legacy by completely disregarding everything the man stood for save for the tiny, reductionist slivers of Dr. King’s statements that sync up with his world view.

    If you don’t understand that, it’s because you want to maintain a sense of hollow, self-righteous indignation. Feel free. Understand this, though: you’re on the wrong side of history on this. And if you’re lucky, you’ll be ashamed about it before too much time passes.

  • Dante

    also, for Beck to have the gall to call an ultimately benign ABC news report Goebbels-esque…honestly, i’m not sure how he can even take himself seriously at this point. running a clip of him saying something that he actually does believe(black folks don’t own MLK)versus posters that declare “race over bastard! good over evil! god over devil! popular music over jazz!” is as dumb as it is self-obsessed.

    seriously, give it a shot. compare this material with that news report on it’s merits and try not to feel like an absolute ass.

    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/rote.jpg

    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/wahl.jpg

    http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/dragon.jpg (this is probably the most immediately shocking, explicitly declaring that the nazis actions were divinely sanctioned.)

  • Anonymous

    Glenn nor I have to agree with everything Dr King said. If you think I will ever agree with economic equality/wealth redistribution, you must be a Marxist. I would gain from redistribution of wealth. I don’t feel I have a right to other peoples money through your insane redistribution of wealth scam. As to your statement, “black folks don’t own Dr. King”, it’s obvious you are a leftist since you only quoted a small part of Beck’s comment.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    So in addressing those that are claiming he is trying to co-opt the day MLK Jr. gave his speech and stating that no race owns any idea he is being racist, but then you go on to say that Beck is crazy for saying that blacks don’t own MLK Jr.- which means that you believe black people own any of MLK Jr.’s work because of the race prism you view things through. How is Glenn the crazy one when you’re proving the case?

    The fact that he addressed someone’s claim that he was hijacking, by stating that American ideas are not owned by race (basically stating that race is not an issue) and you retort by stating that race is an issue because they belong to the collective race you are doing a good job leading race-based divisiveness by example- Kudos

  • Paul

    Chris, you are a complete MORON. (Nor, can you spell, either. “there” rather than the possessive plural “their.”) That people are sick & tired of Barrack and his liberal ilk taxing them into oblivion and have noted the utter hypocrisy of Obama and the rest, and are taking a stand against them, does not make them racist. Racism occurs when everything a person thinks or says or does is predicated solely on the color of someone else’s skin. Chris – here’s a wake up call for you – WE DON’T CARE WHAT COLOR SOMEONE’S SKIN IS. DO NOT CARE! YOU GOT THAT, MORON?!? The only racist is you, you pathetic, uneducated imbecile.

  • Dante

    williamm – you’re making my point. beck – and you, it seems – are choosing the tiniest parts of MLK’s perspective in a totally context-free manner to give a shiny patina of respectability to your positions.

    MLK, by your definition, was a Marxist. Completely. To the bone, in statement, deed.

    Frankly, he said far more explicitly collective-resource/responsibility-centric things than Van Jones or President Obama or whatever frightening black person Beck’s decided to shriek at or over.

    So, when Beck acts as though he’s somehow reclaiming the civil rights movement – which, again, was an explicit series of demands made by MLK and those around him for the federal government to enforce and, in some cases, create new protections against racial/economic discrimination on the state and municipal lecel – it’s either dumb or dishonest.

    So, which is it? Is he lying or just stupid? The facts of MLK’s pov vs. Beck’s are entirely too obvious for any other option to be plausible.

    Or, more to the point, what about MLK’s perspective did you really agree with? Since, as the IHAD speech details very specifically, the day when people would be judged on their character rather than skin color could only come AFTER intentional economic equality was enforced on the federal level all the way down.

    It’s ok to be wrong, y’know. It’s not ok to be self-righteous to the point of caricature, though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.mahoney Robert Mahoney

    I agree with Rush. The MSM will tell you who they fear.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.mahoney Robert Mahoney

    I agree with Rush. The MSM will tell you who they fear.

  • Dante

    ozzie – actually, no. you’re completely wrong about what i actually said. a very cursory read of what i posted will demonstrate as much very quickly.

    I never said Beck was nuts for saying that black folks don’t own MLK. I said he was nuts for feeling like he had to say that, that race was the basis for people’s frustration with his appropriation of Dr. King.

    Civil rights activists – who actually practically carry, protect and propagate MLK’s legacy – say that Beck doesn’t share MLK’s values on justice, equality and the role of government. Therefore, if Beck aligns himself with Dr. King, it’s disrespectful, disingenuous and dumb in equal measure. Many of those activists happen to be black. Beck sees/hears this and responds by saying:

    “Black people don’t own Dr. King!”

    He didn’t respond substantively, he didn’t explain why he and Dr. King are actually in sync on the issues described. Because he couldn’t without laughing out loud, I’d imagine.

    Beck just responded to a bunch of black faces talking only about their black faces because all he saw were a black faces talking about their blackitybloopityblackness. Which makes him the racist in this context. Right? Right.

    Also, I note that you didn’t respond directly to anything else I said about MLK’s commitment to meaningful collectivism, wealth redistribution and the role of an interventionist government.

    If you can’t, then fine. Everyone reading this page can read what you’ve shared and what you haven’t versus my contribution. So, feel free to maintain the hollow righteous indignance. Again, you’ll have the opportunity to feel shame before too much time has passed. Hopefully, you’ll have the capacity to do so.

    • Anonymous

      I believe your comments were made BEFORE Beck’s event so I am here to tell you AFTER the event that you are completely WRONG. Beck was admiring of Dr. King and said that we all should strive for his dream of equality by character and not color. But your buddies over at Sharpton’s event were just the opposite. Sharpton claimed that Beck and his follows, implying that all white people were one and the same, had no legitimate claim to Dr. King’s legacy. He all but said that only black people can claim and work for his dream. On top of that every single interview of a Sharpton attendee was mean and condescending towards Beck and any of his event attendees. All were wearing a hair shirt for attitude and anger. Who has a dream?

  • Anonymous

    First off, Dante, where in this statement did I mention Dr King? ” Obviously you are the racist one. What do you have against Black Americans? Why don’t you want Glenn Beck talking about all the contributions from all the brave black people that helped make this the greatest country on earth? What do you have to gain by trying to suppress all the contributions of these great men? ”

    Please point out any reference to any specific person in that statement. Ir’s ok for you to be wrong y’ know.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    I used ‘crazy’ as a nice word for what you actually typed. Insults (directed at Beck not me) don’t make you right.

    You miss the point that the event is not a tribute or meant to be about MLK- it’s a coincidence. I did hear that there will be a tribute to King by his niece though. He has no need to explain any likeness or difference from King’s message because it is not an event about King. The fact that you are trying to make it about him and contrast it with the event holder Glenn because you don’t feel he has anything in common with King illustrates why Beck had to respond that no one owns King. It is a rally for American honor which Glenn does believe King exemplified with his non-violent protests.

    I do not, and did not know King. I was not alive back then. I know little about him. It doesn’t matter. The event is not about King and it’s not about race.

    Keep your shame- I am not ashamed of any position or politics I hold. My politics do not affect anyone else adversely and as with everything it is between me and God.

  • Dante

    williamm – you’re not even trying now. c’mon, dude.

    the post that we’re all discussing is beck and his team’s frustration over the abc news report on the rally. the content of the report had to do with folks being upset over beck’s appropriation of MLK.

    that’s the topic at hand here, right? Right.

    now, if you choose not to respond on the topic at hand – like asserting that i have somehow had suppressed the contributions of great black americans by explaining the philosophical/pracitcal distance between Beck and MLK – that’s not on me.

    try harder, do better. or not. either way, it’s clear for everyone who reads this to see that you’re just not serious.

  • Goldni007

    Go Glenn!

    “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”
    -MLK

  • Dante

    ozzie – dude. c’mon.

    Beck consistently refers to this event as the reclamation of the civil rights movement, of which MLK is an inextricable link. Beck booked MLK’s niecet. Beck has decided to deliver his address in virtually the same spot that MLK used to share the IHAD speech. i mean, beyond that, Beck has had MLK in the intro to his show for months.

    so, attempting to retroactively build distance between Beck and his efforts to align himself with MLK is dishonest at best.

    especially seeing as while Beck had MLK as one of the introductory images to his program, he spent the bulk of those shows labeling people who are actually on the same ideological/practical page as Dr. King as marxisocialistcommiewhateverists who are destroying the American republic.

    also, the principal thing that Dr. King was protesting against non-violently was an individual right. That is, the individual right to discriminate on the basis of race. Beck believes that individual rights supercede all others, and would not have supported Dr. King for that very reason.

    Dr. King was also protesting for the intervention of the federal government to economically over-compensate for the effects of jim crow/slavery and to prevent states, municipalities and individual business from discriminating on the basis of race. Beck thinks that the federal government should intervene as little as possible on every level, in every case. That’s why he wouldn’t have supported Dr. King.

    i’m not saying you should be ashamed of your politics or positions because they’re inherently, i dunno, immoral or anything. you should be ashamed because you’re factually wrong about something/someone very, very valuable and you don’t care. that’s the shameful thing.

    PS saying something is dishonest or dumb isn’t an insult, if it’s factually true. those are simply the most accurate terms to use. didn’t call Beck an idiot. i wouldn’t, frankly. i don’t really care much about who or what people are, i care about what they do and say.

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    Show me where he said he’s reclaiming the civil rights movement and I will look at it- And if that is correct, why is it wrong when one side does it, but okay when another side uses it so far as to mirror them with the gavel?

    I do believe falsely calling someone a racist is an insult- pretty big one IMO.

    Who am I wrong about? Glenn? MLK? What did I erroneously say?

  • Dante

    ozzie – there are dozens of recorded video from Beck’s tv and radio programs suggesting that the movement he’s leading will reclaim the civil rights movement. a quick youtubing will pick that up pretty quickly, here’s one i found in as many minutes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwe5KuONMGw – explicit, clear, internally inconsistent. “this is a moment where we reclaim the civil rights movement, we are the right side of individual rights and liberties. we’ll retake that movement, because we’re the people that did it in the first place.”

    ok? also, who does he mean when he says “we’re the people who did it in the first place.”? couldn’t be Beck himself since, again, his values and MLK’s are fundamentally divergent. that’s what i mean about false appropriation. Beck’s using MLK purely stylistically; treating Dr. King like he’s a regimental tie to put on before addressing a group of British servicemen, so they’ll take him more seriously.

    that’s clearly beyond shameful.

    again, the civil rights movement was principally about the federal government intervening to prevent individuals from racially discriminating. it had absolutely nothing to do with this modern libertarianism premise Beck’s pitching.

    also, i’m not sure if you know this(since you said you don’t know much about MLK and, presumably, the folks around him)but the guy who marched to Congress next to Speaker Pelosi carrying the gavel to celebrate the passage of the healthcare reform bill was Congressman John Lewis.

    Congressman Lewis is one of the people who actually marched with Dr. King in ’63. He was actually one of the speakers at the event, but was prevented from delivering his address. So, he and the people who are aligned with him idelogically then and now have the right to do exactly what they already did, since the accomplishment they were celebrating was motivated by the values that led them to action in the 60’s.

    If anyone is entitled to replicate the success of the passage of the Civil Rights Act, it’s Congressman Lewis.

    Don’t compare John Lewis to Glenn Beck, dude. Seriously. It’d be like comparing Stan Levinson to Keith Olbermann.

    Also, what you were wrong about was the Beck manufactured connection between the 8/28 rally and MLK’s legacy. Hopefully, since i introduced a piece of evidence(small, but legit), your position on this will change.

    Far as calling Beck’s actions on this issue racist goes, it’s only an insult if it’s inaccurate. Beck responding to civil rights activists problems with his appropriation of MLK by only noticing their race instead of the substance of their arguments is clearly racist. I hope that’s clear.

  • John

    Well said!!!!

  • Greg

    watch the glen beck show and you will see that he is trying to bring this country together, and not split it apart. Like you are!!! and the left. Name one person on the left that is trying to bring american together. No. They want to call us names. They want us to shut up. NO ……Way

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie Castillo

    On the point about any equivocation to the civil rights movement- I would agree that they are not the same and it should not be used by anyone for cheap points, (both sides do it and the double standard is unfair). However, he is allowed his interpretation of King’s message. Breaking things down by race and not by merit is a societal problem that it seems you are okay with (given the accusations of racism and the claim that MLK is owned by black people- his niece is speaking at GB’s event because she agrees with GB, not because he is forcing her in order to legitimize his effort) I am not okay with discriminatory behavior by any person of any race or any class of people over another, and I agree with Beck’s point and his agreement with that specific statement King made during his IHAD speech about merit vs race.

    Comparing Congressman to Glenn Beck- well, they’re not the same- not even close- I have much less faith and confidence in a politician than I do any private citizen. I believe a man should be judged by his actions and I believe that Beck falls more in line with what I believe than almost any politician. A person’s history is just that- it’s the current movement to have government dictate individual choices by limiting a person’s access that I think is an affront to all people and is much more harmful than words or actions of any private citizen. That’s going off topic, but referring to the first 2 points (a, b) that you made in your first post up there.

    A) Blacks don’t own King and have no special claim to it that white people or people of different politics can not refer to, but I will cede that it is cheap to use it.

    B) The politics of King are irrelevant- The focus Beck is placing (and using King’s words in that regard) is on the content of character. The message I get is that we should stop playing the games our manipulative politicians have staged for us and instead hold ourselves to true standards. Class warfare and identity politics which are meant to divide us need to be removed and they will only survive as long as we allow them to. King is not the focal point- personal transformation and return to ideals (which King held in his peaceful struggle) are the key.

    Going to bed now- later people

    B)

  • Marciwaters

    I love what Glenn Beck is doing!! Thank you Glenn!! You are in my prayers.

  • American

    I don’t agree with what you said, but I agree you have a right to say it. As I’m sure you’ll agree that I have a right to say … Beck is an idiot.

  • KeninMontana

    Yes, you have a right to be wrong.

  • james

    God please help the USA. We see more hate now than before. We are doing a lot better than Bush era and most people were blind to see and silent to say anything. Glenn Beck is not a racist he is just using this rally to spread his hate. Our faith is strong and God will reveal the truth. Americans are not fool to find out his motives.

    • Cheryl~

      And how did you get the inside scoop on things? Honestly, it seems to me that the bottom line here is either we all work together to save our country from going under or we can all fight like spoiled brats to our own demise…which is what is going on all over…a house divided against itself cannot stand…white, black, yellow, red, we CANNOT as a nation keep spending our way out of our problems, and the government ( no matter which administ) doesn’t know better than us and we don’t want them in every nook and cranny of our lives…those that think that way need to be sent home from Washington…simple! Wake up!

    • Cheryl~

      And how did you get the inside scoop on things? Honestly, it seems to me that the bottom line here is either we all work together to save our country from going under or we can all fight like spoiled brats to our own demise…which is what is going on all over…a house divided against itself cannot stand…white, black, yellow, red, we CANNOT as a nation keep spending our way out of our problems, and the government ( no matter which administ) doesn’t know better than us and we don’t want them in every nook and cranny of our lives…those that think that way need to be sent home from Washington…simple! Wake up!

    • Cheryl~

      And how did you get the inside scoop on things? Honestly, it seems to me that the bottom line here is either we all work together to save our country from going under or we can all fight like spoiled brats to our own demise…which is what is going on all over…a house divided against itself cannot stand…white, black, yellow, red, we CANNOT as a nation keep spending our way out of our problems, and the government ( no matter which administ) doesn’t know better than us and we don’t want them in every nook and cranny of our lives…those that think that way need to be sent home from Washington…simple! Wake up!

    • Cheryl~

      And how did you get the inside scoop on things? Honestly, it seems to me that the bottom line here is either we all work together to save our country from going under or we can all fight like spoiled brats to our own demise…which is what is going on all over…a house divided against itself cannot stand…white, black, yellow, red, we CANNOT as a nation keep spending our way out of our problems, and the government ( no matter which administ) doesn’t know better than us and we don’t want them in every nook and cranny of our lives…those that think that way need to be sent home from Washington…simple! Wake up!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/JJWAFS3CTAETTM6GCM4ZA7TNAU don c

    Why don’t we watch Beck’s program tomorrow and then we can better judge what GB is doing. I don’t need the LSM to tell me what GB means to do.

  • Philshuey

    that’s because your an left wing moron

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  • courtney

    Everyone continues to mention Dr. King’s niece like she’s the deciding factor on what the true meaning or cause of this rally is…she is not the black people spokes woman so her being there is not a qualifier of anything but her lack of character

  • Anonymous

    Yes but it’s pronounced Gerbils.

  • Bridgelinecorp

    he was the minister of propaganda in Germany during Hitler

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