GOP needs to leave Bush era behind including and especially Karl Rove

Karl Rove is fighting for his influence within the Republican party after a thorough defeat of his candidate, Mitt Romney.

In Rove’s “win some, lose some,” reaction to what just happened, it is evident he does not see what is clear in the eyes of mainstream America-that his political games that crush conservatism and advance moderate candidates may well have lost us the country.

George W. Bush’s Presidency was hijacked by the largest attack on the nation on 9/11/01, and whether it is agreed upon how he dealt with it, he kept us safe. However, he increased entitlement spending and big government under his banner of “compassionate conservatism,” and as Dan Riehl pointed out in “What Conservative Movement?” Bush was no conservative, and in fact, hostile toward the conservative movement.

“What is this movement you keep talking about in the speech?” the president asked Latimer. Latimer explained that he meant the conservative movement — the movement that gave rise to groups like CPAC. Bush seemed perplexed. Latimer elaborated a bit more. Then Bush leaned forward, with a point to make. “Let me tell you something,” the president said. “I whupped Gary Bauer’s ass in 2000. So take out all this movement stuff. There is no movement.”

Mark Levin points out that Bush was to Obama what Hoover was to FDR, paving the way for massive explosion of liberal policy by being open to liberal ideas.

Ralph Benko writes, The End Of The Karl Rove Death Grip Signals A Reagan Renaissance in Monday’s Forbes, explaining the way forward for the ‘non-existent’ conservative movement.

Liberals do not grasp the distinction between Ronald Reagan and (either) George Bush. This blind spot creates a massive confusion and hazard to their ambitions. Obama defeated neither the Reagan Narrative nor Team Reagan. Team Bush appropriated, and then marginalized, both. Obama beat Team Bush, not Team Reagan. The implications are huge.

Conservatism wins elections, and Karl Rove’s brand of Republicanism divides the party, therefore losing elections. You needn’t go further than his Crossroads performance. According to the Sunlight Foundation,

“The Sunlight Foundation, which tracks money in politics, calculated that only 6 percent of Crossroads money went to winners; by comparison, the Service Employees International Union, an old war horse of Democratic politics, had a 70 percent victory rate.”

So what is Rove’s reaction?

More money.

Rove argued today that Romney lost in part because President Barack Obama outspent him on TV when outside groups are taken out of the equation. “This shows that money does matter in politics,” Rove said on Fox News, where he is a paid commentator.

Less conservatism.

Where until now it battled only in general elections and against Democrats, Crossroads is considering whether to start picking sides in Republican primaries. The idea would be to boost the candidate it deems most electable and avoid nominating the kind of flawed and extreme ones who cost the party what should otherwise have been easy Senate wins in Florida, Missouri and Indiana.

Less money to conservatives.

The vast majority of funds spent by American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS were invested in races they ultimately lost: the presidential race (where they spent at least $110 million), as well as Senate races in Virginia (at least $10 million spent trying to elect George Allen), Florida (at least $7.7 million spent helping Connie Mack), Wisconsin (at least $7.3 million to elect Tommy Thompson), Ohio (at least $6.3 million to help Josh Mandel), Indiana (at least $3.3 million on Richard Mourdock), and Montana (at least $3.2 million on Dennis Rehberg).

It is no wonder Rove is trying to blame candidates in Florida, Missouri and Indiana. After spending $11 million in two of the races, he neglects to explain how the moderate candidates in the other races lost with twice as much cash thrown at them. Florida’s Connie Mack, and Indiana’s Richard Mourdock won their primaries handily, and Crossroads pulled their money from Missouri following Akin’s remarks on abortion. From a party perspective, it was considered very bad form of Rove to pull the money after it was clear Akin was not going to step out of the race, but, given the results of the other races, perhaps it did not matter. Of course, he lent to the acid-hate and influence of the left by publicly and forcefully denouncing Akin, just like he did when O’Donnell won in the Delaware primary in 2010, defeating Mike Castle.

Rove’s influence on the consultant class pushed the narrative that a conservative cannot win in Delaware, which he made damn sure of on television everyday, and now is pushing the same narrative that Mourdock should not have been picked by the grassroots of Indiana, defeating an extremely liberal Dick Lugar. Lugar went on to split his own Indiana Republican party, refusing to endorse Mourdock, the same tactic Rove used with O’Donnell and Castle.

So Rove’s plan forward is to spend money in the primaries to defeat these “flawed and extreme” candidates that are primary winners because they get support from the grassroots.

That decision will not save him, will divide the party further, and will lead to more calls for a third party. I’m quite confident of my predictions, but if even one of the three assertions in the previous statement comes true, the Republican party will continue to lose election after election.

Rove’s characterization of a flawed and extreme candidate is establishment-talk for a conservative, brought to clarity by Benko’s article in Forbes. The conservative argument that Brent Bozell makes, “If I had 1/100th of Karl Rove’s money, I would have been more productive than he was,” shows the distinction between Rove’s thought that more money is the key, when it is how it is spent that is instead, the key.

Philosophy is not important to Rove and the rest of the Bush Mandarins as Jeff Lord pointed out,

But the first order of business for the Bush transition was turning out all of the Reaganites as quickly as possible. It was said of Bush appointees that, unlike Reaganites, they had mortgages rather than ideologies. Paul Weyrich said that he had always feared that the election of Bush meant the arrival of “country club Republicans who couldn’t wait for the end of the Reagan administration.” (Secretary of State) George Shultz’s top aide at the State Department, Charles Hill, recalled, “It was suddenly clear that this would be an adversarial transition. The new people were not friendly. The signals were: get out of here as fast as you can.” Newt Gingrich cautioned, “We are not Bush’s movement.”

The tone was set. And it quickly got worse.

Rove’s way of thinking pervades every bit of the so-called conservative partisan media, and he’s not a conservative, as Benko points out, he is instead a Bush Mandarin. Let us not forget the influence of Rove. He is the idol of the DC consultant class, whom I have dubbed, “Rovians.” He is a political commentator for Fox News, and writes in the Wall Street Journal. Fox News is owned by NewsCorp, Rupert Murdoch, who also owns the Wall Street Journal, both mediums which are becoming quickly and more blatantly liberal. He is in control of a vast amount of money, which he raised, I understand, no problem, but then he is asked repeatedly by Fox News anchors what his take is on every Republican candidate. He is asked what his predictions are, county by county, scrawled on a white board. He influences every key Senate race, and during the primaries, positioning his preferred moderate candidate, and as David Lane points out in this Business Insider piece,

Karl is far more formidable…in the presidential Republican primary in 12′, Karl stepped on Rick Perry and then Newt Gingrich every chance he got — albeit with deceit and sophistication — and elevated Mitt Romney at strategic, crucial points along their way to the Republican nomination — Rove’s candidate.

As an example of how sophisticated Rove is…Karl Rove was out raising money to keep Santorum alive until they could kill Newt — Santorum basically ran for Governor of Iowa in 2011, visiting all 99 counties; Santorum, out of Iowa, had no organization, no money and no chance in 2012 to be the Republican nominee; he was only a stalking horse for Mitt Romney — Rove kept Santorum alive until he could kill Rick Perry first, and then Newt Gingrich.

Considering that Rove is already making plays in the primaries, and wants to zero in on primary candidate nominations, could it be possible that he would swing money to a third party? Or perhaps a Democrat in the general?

Lane’s assertions are illustrative of Rove’s blindspot for what wins elections. After all the work Fox News put in to pushing for Mitt Romney during the primaries, putting Rove on the stage for the Iowa primary, proved his ineffectiveness in prediction then.

That evening, Joe Trippi looked at the same numbers as Rove did, and concluded Santorum would win.

“I can’t believe it but Rick Santorum is going to eke past Romney and win this thing.” Karl looked down at his sheets of equations and said he couldn’t believe it either – that Santorum was going to give Romney a dogfight no one had really expected – but he had Romney with a slight mathematical advantage. The two of us had calculated the race in minutes to within a tenth of a percent of each other.

Trippi goes on to say that Rove is masterful at predicting outcomes, but I remember that night, when Rove figured Romney would still win when the total number of counties still out were Romney counties, and everyone was waiting on a truck, that would deliver the necessary votes for Romney. Santorum ultimately won the Iowa caucus, with no money, just county to county old-fashioned-sleep-in-your-car campaigning. And conservatism.

With his mathematical ability to predict outcomes, Rove is ignoring that face to face interaction with voters is crucial to winning elections, a point he sort of expressed during the Sean Hannity radio program on Monday, but missed the point again. When asked what to do going forward, Rove answered,

“I hate to say it, but we need to copy what Howard Dean did,” he told Hannity. “And that is make our ground game in all 50 states.”

Rove said Republicans had a “reasonably good” ground game in Florida and Ohio, two major battlegrounds they ended up losing to President Obama. (Mitt Romney’s Florida adviser said in the days after the election that the state was “winnable” for Romney but that the organization there was lacking.)

Rove told Hannity that the lack of GOP ground game made a big difference in other states.

“We didn’t have a ground game in a lot of these states with Senate races and so we lost North Dakota by 3,300 votes,” he said. He added the lack of ground game also cost the GOP a chance at winning the Senate seat in Montana. “We need to have a better ground game in all 50 states,” Rove said.

Any question Rove would advise what ever ground game he could muster next go-round be Bush team players?

“Crossroads served as referee, says CEO Law. “Conservative activists tend to act like six-year-olds on soccer teams,” he explains, “with everyone grouping around the ball and getting in each other’s way. Karl’s idea was that all of these organizations should share information, coordinate polling, reduce redundancy.”

Rewriting history about what won the day in 2010, Rove asserts that it was his efforts with Crossroads who “served as referee” with AFP, Americans for Tax Reform, and the Chamber of Commerce. When the fact was that the tea party grassroots went all out to put conservatives in the House of Representatives. Conservatism won in 2010, but Rove reaches toward the same plan made by Howard Dean a Democrat, (who lost) and plans to fight the grassroots conservative tea party going forward.

The good news for tea party Reagan conservatives is, that his plans going forward are self-defeating. The bad news is, Rove can and will take down the Republican party.

The fact is, that the grassroots is already effective in the primaries, proving there is more conservative boots on the ground than moderate “Bush Mandarin” types. Also, there aren’t party moderates who would knock on doors like the tea party does, especially if they are told by Rove that their candidate is superior, and is bound to win. As Benko writes, they have the same blindspot as Rove and the left.

The only question is, will the tea party Reagan conservatives stay with the party? A lot depends on how obstinate the Bush team is. They just lost a huge election, and plan on losing more. The conservatives in the party are not so interested anymore in voting for the establishment pick, a point lost on the Rovian class. The results of the election compared to the hype prior should be evidence enough that Rove was wrong by prediction and strategy, during the most pivotal election ever.

An election Rove figured was winnable by an electable candidate, and drove the narrative until the results proved him very, very wrong.

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  • ITS TIME FOR THEM TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    can someone tell that to SEAN HANNITY PLEASE.
    He keeps bringing them on his show like they are the only voices out there.


    • Rocco11

      Hannity is clueless, he’s like the broken clock that is right twice a day…

    • puck30

      Sean sold his soul to the Bush clan long ago……

    • I lost most of my respect for Hannity a long time ago. Levin is much better. So is Rush.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman


      • Sean has a “protect my image at all costs” mentality. He is nothing more than a republican appeaser…amongst his own party…Always worried about how many people like him…instead of his message. He ANNOYS ME.. and that stupid HAIR!!! LMAO

        • lol. Yeah, he seems to build up his shows (I only ever listened to him on the radio, because I don’t watch tv or have cable) and gives teasers for some controversial guest. He seems to ask stuff, but never goes hard on them… when he even lets them talk.

          • BS61

            I quit watching when he kept having McCain on without questioning him about his stupid cheering the Muslim Brotherhood rebels!

        • ssenecal5000

          I agree and his voice gets on my nerves .

      • Jay

        I actually liked Alan Colmes better when he was with Sean on Fox. Just liked, not agreed.

      • breakn70

        Rush isn’t great when he tries to deal with the Republican establishment. He was late to the party when it came to identifying Bush as something other than conservative. When it comes time to call out the Bush based Republican establishment he always hems and haws and talks about how difficult it is to do. It’s gotten old. Levin doesn’t suffer these fools at all and is much better at tackling this huge internecine problem head on. I wish Rush would get over it but the fact of the matter is the Bushes used him.

        • I agree for the most part. Rush has been friends with Rove and others, but I like him for other reasons. He is a brilliant mind really, but for real political insight, I do prefer Levin.

          • aposematic

            Hmmm… Rush may actually be better at Political insight, thus the hedging; but Levin is definitely much better at exposing the political games being played.

            • True. I think I like Levin’s take though because of his legal expertise and Constitutional knowlege. Not that Rush doesn’t know these, but Levin knows by experience in the trenches. 🙂

        • Levin used to trash Glenn Beck all the time because Beck criticized the Republican establishment. I wonder if he realized he was right and apologized? He sounds like he’s come around. For some reason, we don’t see Beck’s segments on here anymore.
          Regardless of our differences with him and the bots, he used the race card on Ron Paul. The race card!
          He has some insightful things to say though, don’t get me wrong.
          If you want somebody who’s attacked Bush and his progressives in no uncertain terms for quite a while, listen to Michael Savage.

    • SineWaveII

      Hannity has to fill his slots every night with whomever is available. What else does Rove have to do?

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Yeah, and that’s the problem I’ve always had with Sean since he split off to become his own entity (from Colmes — sp?). His line-ups end up either (a) being the same folks he agrees with (not all that interesting to listen to) or (b) a bunch of wiseacres I couldn’t give two squirts about.

        • Same with O’Reilly.

      • elvisnixoncom

        He could have on Paul Gottfried or John Derbyshire

        They are SUPER controversial and both brilliant

        At least it will not be “We need more ILLEGALS..”

    • Call Hannity and tell him. Hannity is in a position to help. He can challenge Rove and force conformity or force him out.

    • Listening to Rove on Hannity was so annoying. He was way too comfortable not winning. “…well we got close.” Got close? This was about saving America from a socialist downturn and he was gearing up for the next battle as if it were a game.

      Oh well, anything goes as long as he keeps getting paid.

    • breakn70

      I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I vividly remember Rove and co. dissing both Christine O’Donnell and Sharon Angle in 2010. I despised him for doing that. After showing them zero support in the general election they gloated over their defeats. Every time a conservative beat a Rino in the primary, the rhino and Rove would refuse to support the conservative. The reverse of this was NEVER true. We supported whoever won. Despicable Dick Lugar was a perfect example in the recent senatorial election in Indiana.

      I haven’t been able to listen to the Hannity show for years for this very reason. If it’s not “the architect” it’s some other Bush era rhino. Can’t listen. Won’t listen. Go away, ladies and gentlemen of the Bush era and that includes you rinos in the press as well. You’re sickening.

    • TJinNJ

      Rove = Bush = Cheney = Rumsfeld = Grover “The Islamist” Norquist = RINO = Council on Foreign Relations = Globalists

      Ted Baxter (aka Bill O’Reilly sold out a long time ago) is probably swimming in al-aqeada dough since Saudi Prince is 2nd largest share holder in News Corp. The same Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, whose $10-million-dollar check for post-9/11 disaster relief was rebuked by Rudy. Another interesting tidbit is Huma Abedin’s brothers having met the Prince and I wonder if that’s another reason Huma is taboo at Fox. Ted was laughable interviewing Obamaladen a year or more ago. He kissed more butt during that interview than his loofa sponge settlement and Greta Van Scientology is nauseatingly biased with her panel of leftist idiot “journalists” from ABC, WAPO, etc along with King RINO’s John McLame and Lindsey Graham. Sean’s a good man but lacks stones.

      If Fox is Fair and Balanced then we’re F*****.

      • I’ve noticed about Huma being taboo at Fox. Also it would go against McCain’s wishes if they covered her.
        I suppose it goes out of the realm of what’s “respectable” for their likes.

    • BS61

      We can all tweet him to death @seanhannity!

    • I appreciate some of the people Hannity has on sometimes, but the fact is he prefers constantly promoting Rove, Graham, and the Bush family. He’s funnily enthusiastic about praising and plugging the old guard but doesn’t have the new guard on as much as he should.

    • If Hannity was a Democrat, and never spoke bad about their party, the Democrats would be in agreement with him. The left circles their wagons, we circle the firing squad. That can be both good and bad. Hannity circles the wagons. I used to think he served a vital role doing that but when you’re pushing Rove and amnesty, it’s not good.

  • bbitter

    Rove, yours is a plan to end the Republican party.

    We need to clean house, completely. What lost was not conservatism, but progressive ‘conservatives’.

    we didn’t energize the base enough, didn’t convince people we were worth voting for, and didn’t challenge fraud and error when it came down to the line. At some point, when you expand the party ‘tent’ enough, you end up without a tent, and only a ground tarp with holes in it where you’ve stretched it too far.

    If ‘Conservatives’ like this stay in charge of the republicans, the party will dissolve into smoke; a big show, big image, but nothing substantial and leaves you coughing and gasping for fresh air.

    • SineWaveII

      That’s right. It’s time to put end to Neo-con rule once and for all and send them back to the democrat party.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      I don’t think it’s Rove’s plan to end the Republican Party. Rather, I think it’s his desire to redefine Conservatism to just something EVERYBODY is; that way, it’s no longer an ideological issue. His whole “see, we’re ALL Conservatives” philosophy is killing the Republican Party, yes, but methinks it’s his desire to usurp the label of ‘Conservatism’ for his own needs.

      • bbitter

        redefining terms is a liberal / Alinsky tactic. If this is being used, it is likely that what Rove is doing, intentionally or not, is simply to get rid of the republican party and morph it into the democrat party… I mean, why fight over power when you can just have it all the time, right?

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          Well, methinks we’re essentially saying the same thing. By dumbing down the definition of Conservative to the point that “everyone’s a Conservative” that would mean, yes, both Democrats and Republicans are one in the same.

      • aposematic

        He’s late to that party, the MSM/Press beat him to it Decades ago.

  • bongobear

    Notice how they imply conservatives should get out of the way and let the adults manage things? What a load of bull.

  • tvlgds

    Rove and his ilk are the problem with the Republican party. Business as usual with the DC establishment. New blood is the only chance we have to turn it around, although I truly believe it’s too late.

    • pdxlady

      tvlgds, as long as there is life, there is HOPE. So do not give up. We walk by faith and not by sight; and we are fighting a spiritual warfare here.

      We just cannot be silent any longer and we cannot depend on our representatives to do what is best for us and to do what we elected them to do.

      We are the adults now; the people we send to that hellish pit that is D.C. are not our parents and they DO NOT have our best interests in their hearts. They are mere mortals, and something (well, it is POWER that corrupts) happens to them after they are elected and get inside the Beltway. They become (NOT ALL) DRUNK with their perceived power and their sense of WHO THEY THINK THEY ARE.

      There are millions of us out here feeling the same way; so we need to start letting our reps know that we elected them to let our voices be heard and to speak for us; and not to further their own careers and wealth.

      I have said this before, but I am just gathering steam…call, write, fax, organize a march on Washington…Hold Their Feet To The FIRE, and remind them that they work for us!

      We are Not Violent – Just NO LONGER SILENT.

      I posted this here yesterday also, and I think that it is important to post it again, “You Have Two Years to Live” – An Open Letter to the Incoming Republican House Members of the 113th Congress

      Copy it, mail it, fax it and get this word out to every R in the House, Media, Senate, etc. I believe this is a true and sobering word. At this juncture, we absolutely cannot afford to go along to get along. Get along? We are diametrically opposed to every single idea of the left, and no matter what we do, they HATE us and they are out to destroy us. By any means.

      I was a little stunned, when Rush said today, “No dispute will ever be finished & resolved until the democrats win it. In this era there is not a dispute that doesn’t end in the democrat’s favor.” I see this now.

      This is the truth, and the sooner we all wake up to this fact the faster we can begin to dismantle their plans. The dem’s are all united against us, there is no bi-partisanship – it is a MYTH. THEY HATE US and want to/will DESTROY us (while the repubs are all infighting and not united at all).

      We do not need to have our members of Congress “reach across the aisle.” NO COMPROMISE!!! The Dem’s never do…they just keep PUSHING their agenda FORWARD! Using the Alinsky methods that all of those 60’s radicals that are now running our country, have learned so well.

      No “Mr. Nice Guy” for us. We need to learn their tactics and use them against them.

      So, we must encourage and let our representatives in the House know that they simply cannot CAVE on any $$$ issues. The House holds the purse strings, no money is disbursed without the approval of the House! Unless Barry uses Executive Orders.

      Let them call us names, they will anyway; but we must hold on to our principles. The next two years are our last chance.

      • You messaged them and told them they have two years to live? You should have phrased that differently.

        • pdxlady

          You’re right Alex, it does rather sound like a threat. The SS could be banging on my door any minute…I’d better lay low.

          I just copied and pasted the title of the article as it was written…maybe I should start editing the author’s titles to make them more p.c.? :l

          • P.C. is one thing. Stuff that sounds like threats is another. Remember, Congress is seeing that and could get your IP.
            Who are the incoming members of the 113th Congress, anyways? My biggest concerns would clearly be for the folks who’ve been there for decades.

            • pdxlady


              #1. I didn’t say it and I’m not advocating for it to happen; also I am NOT expecting that, and I certainly don’t want it to happen; in answer to your questions. I read the article as a warning; a real loud WAKE UP call to Conservatives and Repubs.

              I simply think that we need to make some drastic changes in order for it not to happen.

              #2. I don’t think “people want Democrats in all branches of government that much?” But, I did NOT think that Obama would win re-election either. We all were shocked to our core.

              We are losing our country…by every means possible. Alinsky ideology permeates all of the left’s tactics, it’s their standard MO (quick refresher:

              This is why I said that I thought that article s/b taken seriously and as a warning.

              The following is a paragraph of something Rush said today:

              He said: “This is another dispute. You’ve got Hostess and the union. This dispute, like all others, will not be resolved until the Democrats win it. And the same thing with these health care exchanges. This is what we’ve learned. This is why an entirely new strategery is gonna be required of the Republican Party going forward. The Democrats are not sitting on their laurels here. They’re not taking a break. “Oh, wow, we won, let’s go hit the beach.” Nope. Now they’re going for our extinction. Now what they’re doing is trying to remove any opposition of any size whatsoever. And while that happens, our brainiacs are beating up on Mitt Romney.”

              Dems NEVER compromise, and, “Now they’re going for our EXTINCTION.(!!??!!) Now what they’re doing is trying to remove any opposition of any size whatsoever.”

              “This is why an entirely new strategery (sic) is gonna be required of the Republican Party going forward.”

              Barry could have been a hero and stepped in to save Hostess, but he doesn’t want to. He just got 18,500 more unemployed dependents.

              Sorry to quote Rush so much, and for this to be so long, but I have been realizing how correct Rush has been in the last few days saying, “”No dispute will ever be finished/resolved until the democrats win it. In this era there is not a dispute that doesn’t end in the democrat’s favor.” This is our scary new reality.

              So, Alex, I am NOT a defeatist, not by any means! Just realizing where we are here now in Amerika, and I’m sick about it. They are not going to stop until any dissenting views are silenced.

              Also, “Especially since there’s no evidence the Dems will take over the House in 2014.” I believe we have our evidence here, if we will look at it and quit capitulating to the D’s

              This is why I feel so urgently about telling everyone about this. We cannot cave and we cannot compromise. The Dem’s NEVER do.

  • opinionatedhermit

    Thank you for this Scoop!!!

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!!!!

    Karl Rove needs to be drawn out and shown to be the incompetent boob he really is.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Agreed that it’s an excellent piece. I don’t agree with all the links (some of ’em don’t make a lotta sense, to be honest), but all-in-all, it’s a great read.

  • SurfinCowboy

    This was excellent!

    I am now following Jen Kuznicki on twitter, and have found her blog.

    Right on!

  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    Karl continues his “Clueless Across America” Tour. Please let me know when his bus reaches Hawaii.

    • It s sinking off the coast as we speak. :-))

      • DebbyX

        I read your comment quickly and thought it said ‘stinking’ off the coast……………..

        Either way, it works.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Apparently not fast enough …

  • johnos2112

    I would be in favor of bringing someone from Hillsdale College and the Heritage Foundation.

    • kim

      You mean the Heritage Foundation that wrote Romneycare?

      • johnos2112

        Okay Hillsdale college and I would trust Levin also!

      • RighteousCrow_JustCaws

        Yeah. Heritage Foundation dropped off my list years ago. Just another big-overhead, bloated enterprise – all glitz and hot air.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Yes on Hillsdale. Pass on Heritage.

      • johnos2112

        Okay Hillsdale!

      • Heritage is a think tank. Not a monolithic “movement.” Some folks there are excellent. Just not all of them are where they ought to be.

        I’m guessing there’s some weak political types at Hillsdale, too. Being a political adviser is like being a war advisor. And as Rush says, the negative stuff works. So expect the next candidate to be prepared to use it.

        The good news is Biden isn’t going to be fit to run in 2016.


    …TED NUGENT 2016 !”

  • Rove needs to be removed. But then again, until the whole “house” is cleaned out, I’m not going anywhere near the republican party.

    • kim

      Amen, sister.

    • The Whigs are going down again. About time.

  • proudhispanicconservative

    I really have to say this I am just so tired of karl rove and the bushes and all the people involved in the Bush clan this people are like a cancer in our party, and I said it before Fox is hurting us more than is helping us by having all this so-called moderates on all of their shows when was the last time that FOXNews had a real conservative there? I feel that we are engaged in a war, a war with moderates which are the Karl Rove types and the real grass-roots movement. I really believe this guy is just a liberal operative that has been put into place by the Liberals to destroy our party and all the evidence suggests that he is achieving that goal.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      I’d agree that Fox isn’t doing us any favors.

  • aussieguy64

    The current well-being of the Republican Party is like a refrigerator that is in dire need of a clean out. The foul smell of spoiled milk (Establishment with people like Rove and RINOs) are causing a serious problem.

    This clean out is definitely needed as they see Conservatives and Tea Party folks being the problem to their failures and ills. They have no interest in representing the people. They are only interested in appeasement to the Democrats. They see this as “win-win”, when its clearly “win-lose”.

    To win 2016, the Republican Party needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

  • PhillyCon

    Same s***, different day. They were also saying that Palin “cost” McCain the Presidency and the Tea Party “cost” Republicans the Senate in 2010.

    • But it won them the House.

      • PhillyCon

        I know. But, we are not dealing with people who are intelluctually consistent. They blame Akin and Murdock, but don’t talk about Thompson (WI) and Brown (MA).

  • Santorum 2016!

    This time, he’s well financed! 😛


    • Larchmonter

      He will never win.

      • He almost did and his campaign was mostly run on dimes and handshakes in the beginning, imagine how far he’ll go if he’s well financed from the beginning, as he would be if he ran again. 😉

        • I really like Rick Santorum, but he’s got zero chance.

          We need someone like West. Santorum isn’t anywhere near like West.

          • A 1 term former Congressman to a 3 if he wins the recount term Congressman (Congressmen haven’t gotten elected to the Presidency since James Garfield, and being 1 to possibly 3 terms makes it harder a la Bachmann) vs. a former Senator who almost got the Presidential nomination from Romney (so if the next in line clause for us isn’t rigged against conservatives he’s the frontrunner) with little money the last time? I like them both but Santorum’s proven to be electable. He could pick West as his running mate, that’d be a good team.
            2016 is ours to win. With the economy demolished, people will get sick of Obama like they did with Bush in 08 and turn to Santorum’s religious issues. Once in, he’ll make the liberals pay for electing Obama by threatening their precious birth control. XP

            • Santorum has proven he will not be electable as a presidential nominee. He’s done.

              • PhillyCon


                Seriously? Come on … we really don’t know who is “electable” or not. I am willing to give Santorum another chance, and see how he fares in the primaries (if wants it). If anything, an argument can be made that he “would have” learned from his mistakes (and hopefully) Romney’s.

                • Oh, I’d be happy to see if he can do it. I’d even send him money. But if we could get Allen West, or someone like him, I’d be all for that.

                  The main thing I DO NOT want to see this time around is this call for “anyone but…” We have to make every candidate earn every vote, from the first day they enter the primary.

                  No more “hey, we’ll fall in line behind the nominee” noise before the process is over. Make the candidates fight to the last day. Continue it into the convention. Then make the nominee earn our vote by articulating conservatism. As soon as they go wobbly, dump them.

            • PhillyCon

              I agree with you Alex.

    • marketcomp

      Hey, John I am with you on that one my friend! There only 4 people who I think can articulate and actually run a campaign on the Constitution: Rick Santorum, Allen West, Ted Cruz, and although Mark Levin is not a politician he is the best at explaining, teaching, and applying the Constitution.

    • DeeDEEthree

      Sarah PALIN 2016 A sure fire WINNER

  • Stehekin912

    Watch the History Channel series The Men Who Built America. The GOP got a bad name by backing “the mean barons” and the Democrats got a good name by backing “the overworked abused worker”. It happened in those days, and the bitter taste has never left the mouths of the people. The perception of The Barons vs. The Worker is the perception the Conservatives must change. To paraphrase Mark Levin…we are NOT CORPORATISTS. There is a difference between letting business run roughshod over everything, and being conservative.

    We should try to find out the 5-10 most common misperceptions of conservatives and the 5-10 biggest concerns of the Democrats (I am not talking about the socialists) and then show how conservatism really is, and how it addresses those concerns with real solutions vs sounds-good/feel good platitudes.

    If we invest in something, it must be in ensuring the message of real conservatism…not caricatures, not “Barons”, but real conservatives.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Thanks for the heads up on that program. I’m an online reviewer (part of the time), and I’m trying to get a screener copy of that so I can watch & review at my leisure.

    • pdxlady

      I agree, we need a new Marketing Manager…cutting edge.

  • marketcomp

    I was sick of Karl Rove 4 years ago. Now he just annoying. He ridiculed the Romney campaign and tried to devalue the Ryan choice and also devalued the importance of Sarah Palin’s role in the republican party. Romney made a huge mistake not including her because when you are running against a race baiter and Alinsky type politician you leave no stone unturned! Karl Rove is a complete disaster. We are in a different era which requires different leadership and strategies.

    • pdxlady

      Exactly, Karl Rove is sooo last century.

  • Hal K

    Winning issues for the Republican Party:
    1. Do away with anti-white discrimination laws like affirmative action and set-asides.
    2. Enforce the immigration laws by requiring E-verify and reduce legal immigration.
    3. Bring down the trade deficit through protectionist measures.

  • pdxlady

    I could not agree more, and posted the Forbes piece here yesterday. Rove, we have no need of you. The end of BIG GOP Establishment politics is OVER.

    In case you all (Establishment types) haven’t noticed, we are through taking orders/talking points from you. You have lost the last two elections for us.

    WE THE PEOPLE have decided to rise up and we’re taking our country in a 180 degree different direction.

    • I think Levin coined this, but Rove is a big, bald hack.
      Almost nobody likes him and he wrecked the conservative brand, but he still thinks he has the answers.

  • MrMicawber

    I’ll never forget all of us watching Rove struggle to admit defeat in Ohio on election night on the JumboTron in Boston’s TD Garden. The silence and tension was thicker than pea soup.

  • The GOP needs a serious enema. I suggest it should be done with TEA.

    • daisy_mae

      LOL Tammy good one!!

    • NoToTyrants

      Love it!

    • I volunteer to man the pumps!

      (That way someone else has to insert the nozzle. Eww.)

  • NoToTyrants

    Great piece! It is right on target!

    Karl Rove, Ann Coulter, Charles Krauthamer, Bill Kristol, Steve Schmidt, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, [ you know who the rest are ]

    These defeatist, corrupt, political 5th columnists must be discredited and disgraced.

    Make the Tea Party a real 3rd party and do an end around these traitorous arseholes. And, watch as the GOPe “big tent” collapses and becomes the “big tarp” smothering these corrupt idiots under it.

  • BHliberty

    Thks for this RS! I agree, Rove is an idiot and needs to shut the up! Either the Tea Party/Conservative base rise to the occasion like we did in 08 and 10 and take over the R party or create our own.

    As it stands, I’m changing my R affiliation to non-affiliation! Wonder how many people have already done that since this attrocious election cycle!

    • BS61

      I did switch to Independent!

    • I’ve been independent since 1978. I send money to individual candidates, and particular PACs that I support. I always toss any mailings from the RNC.

  • Haywoodjbl

    I do not believe he is an idiot…..just out of touch and time to move along……these are my views and opinions….

    • BHliberty

      Ok Haywood, maybe idiot was a bit harsh but out of touch or just misinformed is something Rove clearly is guilty of.

      (I’m mad and can get out of line!)

  • This piece is very well written. The data is carefully gathered and the conclusion is correct. It’s time for Rove to go. there are ways to make that happen. Bombard Fox News about Rove and get him out. he can’t raise money if he isn’t in the limelight. Form a new party and force the moderate old guard to negotiate or stay in the wilderness.

    Rove thinks he is James Farley and he isn’t.

  • You do have better things to talk about than the Iowa Caucuses, which can be aptly described as starting with “cluster” and ending with four more letters.

    Unfortunately, we can’t sack him.

    He was right about one thing though. The race was definitely “winnable”. The problem is, Romney failed to grab the chance with a convincing vision of principled common-sense Conservatism, and Republicans failed to lift him up too.

    P.S. Those idiots who voted for McCain but not Romney definitely shouldn’t be saying anything about Romney being too “moderate” for them. And we really need to stop all this sniping by fiscal Conservatives at values voters and vice versa.

    • One thing that isn’t being discussed is how LOTS of Romney voters sat out the previous election. In this election, McCain voters sat it out. More than anything, I think this is why the GOP loses. The Left is quite unified. This wasn’t the case back in 2000 and 2004.

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the similarities between the Dems in 2004 and the GOP today are eerie.

    • unseen1

      who voted for McCain? I voted for Palin.

  • Yes, we need to explain how Team Reagan is better. But also to remember that Reagan gave amnesty on the condition that Congress tighten up immigration in many ways. Congress didn’t do their part and Reagan wasn’t happy about that.

    Further, we need to listen to real conservatives and move back to the RIGHT and explain to all why this is better. Anyone that has illegally crossed into the US is inherently “entrepreneurial” because they’re a risk taker.

    Republicans need to explain this difference and why closing the border is still better for them!

    The hypocrisy and lies of the RINOs and Dems must be exposed and stopped. Do NOT tack to the middle. Tack back to the right! Let’s not forget that millions of Republicans did NOT vote in this election cycle. I think that had to do with a moderate Republican candidate!

  • Can we leave Coulter behind too?

    • She’s great in researching stuff. She’s ridiculously awful in supporting candidates.

  • I clicked on the Business Insider link and the comments are another problem. The electorate is by and large seriously dumb and it is dangerous. They mimic the citizenry exactly in the last days of Rome that were so dumb and lazy they wouldn’t even get up to defend themselves.

  • Seriously… what, exactly, has Doofus ROVE ever done that was so magnificent??? NOTHING!!! HE barely beat two of the most inept, incompetent HACKS of all-time…Gore and Kerry… and when it came to defeating the MOST INEPT in US HISTORY… he FAILED!!!! HE’s a moron!!! A HAS BEEN and the ARCHITECT of FAILURE!!! To the CURB with that AS*HAT!!

    ::bows:: hehe..

    • NoToTyrants

      It was Rove “The Architect” ‘s blueprints and advice to Bush that led to the Pelosi-Reid 2006 take over of Congress.

      Which resulted in TARP, Auto Bailouts, Obama, Obamacare, The Stimulus, The Debt Tripled, 15-20% Real Unemployment, Gasoline Prices Doubled, Food Prices Doubled, Food Stamp Use Doubled, The Arab Spring, and on and on.

      Thanks for your brilliant plans Karl. /sarcasm

  • Martin2717

    Good luck with this. Wishful thinking.

  • mder4thegov

    I remember the night Christine O’Donnell won the DE primary–both Rove and Krauthammer totally dissed her and Sarah Palin, who rightfully endorsed the conservative candidate.
    O’Donnell went from down 11 pts. to down 19 pts. the next day, because these two elite snobs refused to back the republican nominee. It was shameful, and painful to watch. A simple endorsement on national television would’ve made that a very winnable race; however, Charles and Karl chose to show their RINO stripes.
    They couldn’t let Palin win…what men.

  • Don

    What Rove and the other RINOs can’t seem to understand is they are now the third party. The democrats do not exist as they have been replaced by the socialist progressives. The republicans do not exist as they have been replaced by the Tea Party conservatives. Since the Tea Party is constantly attacked by the entire MSM as racists and rednecks their road will be much tougher, but without them liberalism will do to our country what they have done to Europe. If we survive 4 more years under Obama, and that is a huge IF, it is because of true Americans and not brainwashed sycophants of an incompetent narcissist looking for those to leech off of. If we give up, Obama wins and our country dies a slow death.

  • I’m sad to have to say this, but in a way Rove is right. The last two-term Republican president we had was a “compassionate conservative,” which just means he spent a lot of money, but just not as much as a liberal Democrat. In short, it’s being a “Liberal light.” If the last election taught us anything, it was the not only did socialism win, it won big.

    For whatever reason, a majority of Americans want the Federal government to take care of them and give them checks. Even people on Social Security and Medicare are voting to keep those checks rolling in. True, they paid into the system all those years, but the fact of the matter is that both Republicans and Democrats mismanaged those programs so badly that now they’re nearly bankrupt (or will be in a few years). Obamacare is only going to make things worse, exploding our debt while reducing benefits to people. I wonder how well that’s going to go over for the people who voted for Obama when they find out the government is going to have to start reducing their benefits to stay solvent. The bottom line is, I fear that the only way of becoming president is by promising a lot of benefits and money to just about every special interest and minority group out there. Conservatism will only mean that we will end up spending a little less than the Democrats. But the days of Ronald Reagan may be over. Paul Ryan’s goals may just be a dream, although a noble one, but they’re not going to win any elections. I get no joy in saying that.

    • Bush 43 won, over a very weak candidate, Al Gore. He also benefitted from the Lewinsky scandal and a cowering press (who couldn’t bring themselves to cover for the pervert anywhere near the levels they cover up for the SCOAMF). So Rove only had to play his numbers game and his sink-the-others primary technique to squeak Bush over the finish line by a handful of votes in Florida.

      So no, Rove is not right. He’s not even center-right. He’s simply toast.

  • Terrenceor

    Great article! I especially loved the Jeffery Lord link.

  • Rshill7

    Hi Jen:

    Great job!


    • thank you Rshill:)

    • NoToTyrants


      I have bookmarked it for future reference. Contains great well researched information.

  • FreeManWalking

    Great Post!!!

    I am done with the GOP because it is apparent like the Dems once in they are all GOPes.

    TEA Party 2014, make them all a strong 3 party race.

  • Wow what a post, great job! Couldn’t agree more!

  • Houston Petitions

    There is absolutely no reason this fellow cannot get a leadership position with La Raza.

  • drphibes

    Oink. Oink.

    Remember Christine O’Donnell.

  • drphibes

    We need an article like this on Ann Coulter, chief Romney cheerleader.

  • Think about this…

    If 9/11 did not happen, would Bush have won in 2004?

    The answer, of course, is NO! We hated his country club spending mentality then and only elected him over Kerry due to the war on terror. That’s it.

    But because Bush won 2 terms, Rove thinks he’s smart.

    Plus, if it were not for a lot of Democrats pissed off at Clinton’s affairs and felt enough was enough, Gore would have beaten Bush in 2000.

    The Bush era team have nothing to be proud of. If they were so strong, a few indecent Republicans in Congress would not have caused the beating we took in 2006 congressional elections.

    Bush domestically was always weak.

    • By the way, Scoop, this has to be one of the best researched and written articles yet. Great job. Very clear.

    • I saw a Fox special on Kerry today. He’s repeatedly insulted the military! He was a really weak and dull candidate, so I attribute that and the stuff we found out about him to his loss.
      Hats off to the swift boat veterans!

  • Rove was also an insistent voice in Bush’s ear for mass amnesty for illegal aliens and was complicit in the fable that hispanics are natural conservatives.

    In fact, hispanics prefer big government and do so for generations.

  • Joe

    I can’t believe Rove and Morris have the nerve to even show their faces!

    NO amount of time can help me gain respect back for them!

  • Linky1

    Excellent insight. Along with the GOP doing some major housecleaning, FOX News should do the same-their leftards are bad enough, but their stable of RINOS such as Rove and Morris need to be put out to pasture.

  • deTocqueville1

    Great article, great insight. These GOP disasters must exit stage left where they truly belong. They are part of the crony capitalist permanent political class which has brought a great Republic to her knees.

  • TaimeAgair

    Support individual candidates and starve the GOP of money. They didn’t support conservative or Tea Party candidates. Michelle Bachman won in spite of the GOP. Same with Sen. Cruz. Mia Love and Allen West could have won if not for the GOP. If Allen West wins the recount, I hope he drops the R.

    • section9

      A word about Mia Love.

      She was run out of the GOP shop. Palin offered her her help and supported her moneybomb, but the GOP Establishment told Love to keep her distance from Palin. She did so, and she lost.

  • I can’t stand Karl Rove! He is responsible for the loss of the Senate in 2010 and again in 2012!!

  • BS61

    Fantastic reporting scoop – this Tea Partier loved it!

  • blueniner

    Rove has been trying to bury Sarah Palin to clear the field for Jeb Bush, but Sarah still outsmarts him, like the Roadrunner and Wiley Coyote. Sarahs endorsements in 2010 and 2012 smoked Rove. Sarah knows the game with consultants and their backstabbing ways while earning those big paychecks and trying to destroy the Tea party and Conservatives.

  • Well done Jen!

    If Rove has influence in 2014, the Republican party will die, and be replaced.

    Remember kids, third parties never work. Until they do. Long live the Whigs!

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    Rove has identified the enemy. It is the Tea Party and specifically, Sarah Palin. She wants to remove the feathers from the GOPe bed and restore our Republic. It is high time that the rank and file identify the enemy. It is Rove, and his vast establishment, that fear for their existence. They are correct to fear Gov. Palin. They can deal with Obama and the Libs who share at gobbling from the tax payer trough. Palin wants to drain the swamp they both wallow in.

  • unseen1

    hell look what the Rovians did to Palin in 2009 2010 and 2011. that told me everything i needed to know about these people. and all their effort and Palin is still more popular with the base of the party than Mitt.

  • spin43

    Boycott Hannity who wants amnesty. Don’t we have immigration laws in the books now? Why don’t we follow our laws, like the Constitution? We had bankruptcy laws until Hussein decided to ignor them when taking over car companies. Sean was a big promoter of McShame and is a RINO, no matter how much Levin is his buddy, which is mainly for promotional purposes.

  • It is time for Karl Rove to retire.
    James Carville retired into silence.
    Mary Matlin retired into silence.
    The GOP-e does not represent the People, who are the real voice and spirit of this nation.
    Romney was foisted on us, because he was told to wait his turn in 2004 via GOP-e. The People had electable folks on stage, but the GOP-e found ways to get them off the stage. There was more on stage than that old coot Ron Paul. (I heard him in the debates – isolationism to boot!)

    Sean Hannity is GOP-e.

    • I’d take Mary Matalin over Rove any day.

  • wodiej

    Bush did not keep us safe-the military did. He had plenty of advisers of which I am sure were much to be credited for our strategy-not Bush. Bush got us into a decade long war that continues today. Bush is the reason we got obama. Apparently we have some big gov’t liberal Republicans because they voted for Romney in the primary. We just need to start a 3rd party.

    • Dierardo

      Close wodie but why not retrying the foundation of the Tea Party taking over the GOP

  • Dierardo

    This might be a very worthwhile wake-up call and warning. Remember that Rove was the”Architect”, whose 2004 Bush re-elect strategy (unfinanced tax cuts and Medicare Plus) may have served as a template for Obama’s, “47% re-elect strategy”: an oft-reported political science
    truism since the days of the Caesars, that the Mittster was too gutless to defend, after having insightfully reported it.

    West’s thumbnail reminds us of his, “Patriot Alerts,” re: the dozens of Marxists among the Congressional Black Caucus (Chicago, etc?). And of the growing nation-wide ballot fraud related to his own campaign: and perhaps endemic to an American voting process absent the historic surveillance of a pugnacious American Press so relied upon by our, “Federalist Founders”. .

    Case in point: yesterday’s unctuous presidential presser suggests that Obama’s,”Marxist Emperator Ego”, is growing apace with his,”Re-election”. Another venture in ballot fraud by the forces of Obama’s “Incubus?

    • I can’t stand Bush but his tax cuts are by definition unfinanced because tax cuts are the right thing to do and it’s a reduction of taxes for people.

  • mikeinidaho

    If the GOP wants to stay relevant, it will dump the ENTIRE leadership team and move toward the Tea Party. If they don’t, they are toast. It’s almost impossible to tell the difference between the GOP and the Demunist Party. If they want to be included in all the liberal cocktail parties in DC, they should just quit the GOP and joing the Demunist Party and be done with it. I’m well past tired of the do-nothing, go-along-to-get-along GOP.

    • Dierardo

      Right on Mike back to the future of a lost Declaration

  • Haywoodjbl

    Time for Rove and Dick Morris to be put to pasture. Both of them missed calling this election by so much that NOTHING they say is relevant anymore.

    Anyone on this board could have come closer in calling this election

    • Dierardo

      Note how both feed their purses via direct/indirect attachments to the GOP marketplace

  • elvisnixoncom

    BEST headline ever!!- ROVE needs to be left behind. His amnesty fervor gave us obama.

    Rush and the GOP elite’s suicidal policy

    Today on the Rush Limbaugh program I heard an absolutely outstanding defense of actual conservative principles- as against those outlined by the elite of the GOP,

    The late Samuel Francis, writer for the Washington Times, referred to the GOP is the stupid party – I believe his famous quote was there’re two major political parties in United States the stupid party and evil party and I’m a proud member of the stupid party

    Limbaugh pointed out that the current move on the part of people like Sean Hannity, the treasonous Lindsey Graham and people like Juan McCain and others is to tell Republicans that they need to import more illiterates who will forever vote democrat

  • aposematic

    Great article! All of the Bush’s are so far from Conservative I cringe every time some idiot describes them as such; but that pretty much goes for anyone the MSM/Press and Political talking heads describe as Conservative. Those same groups describe real Conservatives as Radical Right Wing Cooks. We Conservatives are now relegated to the minority as the R Party was taken over by the Liberals fleeing the Marxist takeover of the D Party starting way back in the 70’s. You remember, its when the R Party started screaming that the R Party had to become a big tent nonsense. All Governments grow themselves but to pretend the R’s didn’t is delusional. No Government has ever made anything better and that is a fact proven by time over and over again and again. So here we are, expecting a behemoth of a Government to make things better. In reality things can only get worse and the possibility of a lot worse looms large with the idiocy to be inflicted in 2014, along with another year of huge deficit added to our debt staring us down.

  • The claim about Rick Santorum is 100% false. See Stacy McCain for more.

  • Watched the last address of Ron Paul in Congress …he pegged it. Rove, Morris, et al are nothing but a bunch of retreads trying to stay relevant …all the while peddling their worthless books, etc to the gullible GOP faithful.

    I live in California and the last election (especially the results here) was the final straw in making the decision to leave the state. I employ 50 people and I just told them all that by this time next year, you either move with me to Georgia or your fired. I can do what I do anywhere. But I will not stand by, play by all the rules and be demonized in order to pay for someone else’s financial malfeasance or sense of entitlement. California is now completely controlled by the Democrats (Gov and both houses)…and there is no stopping them from voting in any tax increases. Jerry (Moonbeam) Brown is nothing but a “yes-man” for the public employee unions…and will do anything they say. He didn’t get the name Moonbeam for nothing.

    Good luck California. It was a nice place to visit. Hannity can go with Rove and Morris…they’re all worthless.

    • You may like it here in Georgia. 😀

  • Get these RINOs outta here