Texas Gov. Rick Perry responded yesterday to Obama’s proposals and executive actions regarding gun control:

“The Vice President’s committee was appointed in response to the tragedy at Newtown, but very few of his recommendations have anything to do with what happened there.

“Guns require a finger to pull the trigger. The sad young man who did that in Newtown was clearly haunted by demons and no gun law could have saved the children in Sandy Hook Elementary from his terror.

“There is evil prowling in the world – it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds. As a free people, let us choose what kind of people we will be. Laws, the only redoubt of secularism, will not suffice. Let us all return to our places of worship and pray for help. Above all, let us pray for our children.

“In fact, the piling on by the political left, and their cohorts in the media, to use the massacre of little children to advance a pre-existing political agenda that would not have saved those children, disgusts me, personally. The second amendment to the Constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot be nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president.”

Talk about a great response – especially the last line. Just excellent.




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Alex
Alex

With all respect to Governor Perry which is deserved, he lost me at “There is evil prowling in the world – it shows up in our movies, video games and online fascinations, and finds its way into vulnerable hearts and minds."

Can we stop dissonantly and quirkily blaming video games for murder like Lieberman, Hillary or Tipper Gore? As in seriously cut it out? It's not the issue either. It's a distraction. Mental health is the issue along with the fact that disarming people leaves non-criminals powerless and nuts are going to going to be nuts rather we have video games and movies or not. People are responsible for their actions. Defending the second amendment from tyrants is a winning issue where he resonates with most people strongly. Blaming video games for violence only resonates with seniors on the Social Security that he rightly called a Ponzi scheme.

guppymanster
guppymanster

I've voted for him every time and I will again. My govenor is a patriot, not a socialist.

Bonnie Larkin
Bonnie Larkin

I love my Gov ! I am so proud to be a Texan !

lobotrojan
lobotrojan

Liberal politicians, r.i.n.o.s too, enclosed with their gated communities and surrounded by security guards are furious with the rest of us law abiding Americans because we believe in arming ourselves in accord with the Bill of Rights, particularly the Second Amendment.

tvlgds
tvlgds

I cringe every time I see that picture with his finger inside the trigger guard!

Laurel
Laurel

Perry called this one right.

Bryan Ewbank
Bryan Ewbank

100's of black teenagers killed every year in Chicago - no big deal.

Several young kids killed in the suburbs - horror of horrors.

Now THAT sounds like racism to me.

stevenbiot
stevenbiot

You don't see a difference in gang members killing eachother, and a psychopath that walks into an elementary school and mows down innocent children?

Libertyship46
Libertyship46

And yet did anybody notice that almost nothing Obama enacted yesterday had anything to do with enforcing current laws or giving harsher mandatory prison terms to criminals who use guns? Seems like liberals always want to control law-abiding citizens, but they don't want to control criminals. Why? Because if the criminals run wild, then the liberals in government have a reason to step in and create even tougher gun laws. And it's all done in the name of "protecting" people. We need protection from criminals AND the Federal government, NOT from guns.

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

To:

The President of the United States

The U.S. Senate

The U.S. House of Representatives

When in the course of human events we are confronted with a President that is intent on destroying the very sovereignty of our nation we have no other choice but to act and demand his immediate impeachment. What we are witnessing now, in the United States, is far greater than mere "buyers remorse." As I wrote, even before Obama became President, Obama was being groomed by trans-nationalists (e.g., Brzezinski, Soros, Kissinger) in order to force us into a "North America Union" whereby Canada, the United States and Mexico would be melded together in a 3-Nation Union, similar to the European Union. Such a move to destroy the sovereignty of the United States is high treason. In point of fact Obama is betting upon being the first transnational president and with that destroying the very sovereignty that great Americans -- from Washington to JFK -- had given their lives to secure.

Since Obama has become president he has reversed himself on just about every bit of "change" we were supposed to believe in.

* He said he would stop busting Marijuana Patients. Instead he is using the Controlled Substances Act to close down dispensaries, invade the homes of US Citizens and arrest record numbers of Cannabis Consumers.

* He said he would get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead he is escalating operations in Libya and Egypt where Muslim extremists are now slaughtering Christians in droves.

* He said he would renegotiate all Free Trade Agreements because they put American Workers at a disadvantage. Instead he is now negotiating additional deals with S. Korea and Columbia where over 8,000 Union Organizers have been murdered at the bequest of International Corporation.

* He said he would get the American People back to work but instead he continues to allow mass immigration by both legal and illegal immigrants at a time when nearly 30 million Legal American Citizens are out of work and one in 7 Americans are dependent on food stamps. And now, in order to get the Hispanic Vote, he is attempting to do something that over 70 percent of the American People do not want: granting Amnesty to between 12 and 30 million Illegal Immigrants and Visa Overstays.

* He said he was opposed to the Patriot Act which has eviscerated our liberties and suspended Habeas Corpus. This effectively pushed back civil liberties back before the signing of the Magna Charta. Instead he has extended the surveillance of American Citizens by reauthorizing the Patriot Act while allowing untold numbers of Muslim Terrorists to slip across the US/Mexican Border due to his utter failure in securing our Southern Border.

While it is true that we have not had a truly representative President since JFK (and even that may be a stretch) there is little doubt that Obama is the most dangerous president to have ever held the off ice of President. I say this because the very sovereignty of this nation is now at risk. So while we may each have our own personal reasons for his impeachment there is little question that President Obama represents the most existential threat to the sovereignty of this nation in our short history.

So whatever your reasons for impeachment I implore you to sign this petition and spread the word to your fellow Americans through both the internet and by word of mouth. In short this is our "Paul Revere" moment and we can no longer wait to act. Impeach NOW! The future of our republic hangs in the balance.

Sincerely,

[Your name]

brkndwn
brkndwn

BBear-

Appreciate your efforts. What are you asking people to do?

Seriously how does this work? How does this/can this get done?

Kelly60
Kelly60

Perry's my Governor and even though he's made some bad calls, I appreciate his believing in the 10th amendment and will vote for him again. He does listen to the people of Texas.

crosshr
crosshr

I'm still thinking here !

Wolfie
Wolfie

Should I play the Jeopardy theme? LOL! Just kidding my friend! :-)

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

Instead of the knee jerk reactions, do people really just ponder.

I wonder, should every citizen, 18 years and older be armed? Every voter required to get training? I cannot be dogmatic and claim I know the answers. No.1, the constitution should not be violated. I just wonder where some would draw the line (sincerely), rocket launchers and I am being serious because there are a few of those out there. I also understand that this is also good business. Arms made by American companies are sold to those who would kill Americans, they want to make money. Propaganda is being spread by both sides. If there is a line to be drawn, who decides what it is?

There are a lot of conspiracy theories, they said George Bush was going to make himself a dictator, now it is Obama. There can never be a dictator here, Obama can't even get all of his cabinet appointments through, the States would not allow it and if it could it would not be a black man.

I think something is in our water because people have gone nuts.

K-Bob
K-Bob

You draw the line reasonably at no infringement. Just like you draw the line with free speech at no law abridging.

It's unhelpful to "just ponder" (as if you are the only one capable), whether the First Amendment allows someone to yell at the top of their vocal power, directly into someone else's ear. Because, hey, where do we draw the line?

No, the fact is the founders hashed all of this out really well, with no presumptions of people being insane or unable to "ponder." Not one single new argument has been brought forth since the days of the Federalist Papers (and the Anti-Federalist responses). They weren't idiots back then.

WordsFailMe
WordsFailMe

You don't appear to be in a permanent fog, but it does come and go in your posts on regular schedule. What is it you'd like to say? Or be? Just try bottom-lining some issue, just for the heck of it.

I'm not trying to be rude, since that is my natural state, I'm afraid you're just wasting everyone's time. And your own.

If you voted for the oily, lap lizard Barrack and now you're sorry, just admit it. No one here will hold it against you. much..

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

No, sorry to disappoint, did not vote for vote for Obama

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

Who's suggesting that everyone 18 and older be armed? It's a matter of choice. Gee. The left's most often word. Choice. The choice whether to keep and bear arms.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

Some people are, this is the point, who decides where the line will be drawn? Obviously you feel the line should be drawn here. Well some will vehemently disagree with you and may start calling you names and so forth.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

You said (wrote) that well. The problem is that there are many opinions and people who feel just as strongly, who decides who is right? I just don't see a resolution to this issue because there are so many views with extremes on both sides. Oh well.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

I don't care what people call me if they're so inclined. The 2nd Amendment doesn't order people to keep and bear arms, it gives the right to, without being infringed upon by the government.

I believe in the 2nd Amendment as much as I do in any part of the Constitution, Bill of Rights and Declaration. If people have a problem with it- that's their problem.

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

The answer to your question is quite simplistic. The thing is that in order to TRUST in it, you have to believe in him So having said that, the answer is simply GOD! he decides everything!

WordsFailMe
WordsFailMe

Bout time. I'd love to hear Governor Perry say, "C'mon and get in my jeep and I'll drive you through a few neighborhoods in Houston, Browsnville or McAllen and we'll stop for barbeque or tacos and see what you think about an individual's right to keep and bear arms."

Invite that deformed, midget, freaking asshole mayor of New York down to Rio Grande or Big Bend country for a picnic, Rick

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

From what I understand he has done that. I can not speak first hand but I have heard stories and seen photo's of just what you suggest!

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

Invite that deformed,midget, freaking bleep mayor, and take crispy creme christy with him.

crosshr
crosshr

awesome Words. Dat donkeyhole mayor of NY you mentioned, still 120% retard, may never recover tho !

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

He also really needs to remove that arse plug. The second he does that, he'll begin speak as a normal person. Until then he tastes fudge!

welltempered2
welltempered2

I believe that Obama used the executive orders as a set up to make conservatives look like they were crazy to the rest of the country. Here's how: A few days ago the word is let out that Obama will use executive orders to "reign in" parts of the 2nd Amendment. They did this with the belief that calls for impeachment, secession and even revolution word be heard from the right. Much of this was hapening. Then Obama actually issues executive orders that are for the most part window dressing or utterly meaningless. But to Obama the mission is accomplished of making the right look extreme and his actions very measured to the rest of the nation. Pretty shrewd.

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

Though I can appreciate and respect your view. Here is another side that you may not be considering. This has been for the last 45 years, is now and will be again, a very socialistic attempt to GRAB POWER where it is not nor does it belong. That is why the founding Father placed it in our beloved Constitution. James Buchanan, Woodrow Wilson and several other DEMOCRAT PRESIDENTS to include Franklin DeLano tried this bull mess and were told that if they did they'd be in a 6x9 cell

quicker than they cared to be. so this attempt is over 100 years old. This is they should still IMPEACH this piece of Kenyan dog leavings!

To:

The President of the United States

The U.S. Senate

The U.S. House of Representatives

When in the course of human events we are confronted with a President that is intent on destroying the very sovereignty of our nation we have no other choice but to act and demand his immediate impeachment. What we are witnessing now, in the United States, is far greater than mere "buyers remorse." As I wrote, even before Obama became President, Obama was being groomed by trans-nationalists (e.g., Brzezinski, Soros, Kissinger) in order to force us into a "North America Union" whereby Canada, the United States and Mexico would be melded together in a 3-Nation Union, similar to the European Union. Such a move to destroy the sovereignty of the United States is high treason. In point of fact Obama is betting upon being the first transnational president and with that destroying the very sovereignty that great Americans -- from Washington to JFK -- had given their lives to secure.

Since Obama has become president he has reversed himself on just about every bit of "change" we were supposed to believe in.

* He said he would stop busting Marijuana Patients. Instead he is using the Controlled Substances Act to close down dispensaries, invade the homes of US Citizens and arrest record numbers of Cannabis Consumers.

* He said he would get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead he is escalating operations in Libya and Egypt where Muslim extremists are now slaughtering Christians in droves.

* He said he would renegotiate all Free Trade Agreements because they put American Workers at a disadvantage. Instead he is now negotiating additional deals with S. Korea and Columbia where over 8,000 Union Organizers have been murdered at the bequest of International Corporation.

* He said he would get the American People back to work but instead he continues to allow mass immigration by both legal and illegal immigrants at a time when nearly 30 million Legal American Citizens are out of work and one in 7 Americans are dependent on food stamps. And now, in order to get the Hispanic Vote, he is attempting to do something that over 70 percent of the American People do not want: granting Amnesty to between 12 and 30 million Illegal Immigrants and Visa Overstays.

* He said he was opposed to the Patriot Act which has eviscerated our liberties and suspended Habeas Corpus. This effectively pushed back civil liberties back before the signing of the Magna Charta. Instead he has extended the surveillance of American Citizens by reauthorizing the Patriot Act while allowing untold numbers of Muslim Terrorists to slip across the US/Mexican Border due to his utter failure in securing our Southern Border.

While it is true that we have not had a truly representative President since JFK (and even that may be a stretch) there is little doubt that Obama is the most dangerous president to have ever held the off ice of President. I say this because the very sovereignty of this nation is now at risk. So while we may each have our own personal reasons for his impeachment there is little question that President Obama represents the most existential threat to the sovereignty of this nation in our short history.

So whatever your reasons for impeachment I implore you to sign this petition and spread the word to your fellow Americans through both the internet and by word of mouth. In short this is our "Paul Revere" moment and we can no longer wait to act. Impeach NOW! The future of our republic hangs in the balance.

Sincerely,

[Your name]

aposematic
aposematic

More like Obuma hid some real gun grabbing in with some mumbo jumbo to give an appearence of what you speak...its what Leftists do: distract, deceive, haystacks, scare crows, and gotcha.

colliemum
colliemum

Indeed. Some window dressing, some old proposals which have been gathering dust in Holder's office, some political kabuki - and the real nastiness slipped in: making doctors rat on their patients, to government, and instituting a huge database of law abiding citizens.

This is the heat under the frog just turned on, no boiling as of yet ...

celestiallady
celestiallady

Those who think the way you described already think that of the right. What Obama did is just the first step in trying to take our guns. He made it so those who follow him think "there, he didn't do too much" (their way of thinking) and will keep on being oblivious to what he is really doing. He doesn't want "them" to start believing as we do.

poljunkie
poljunkie

Yep, exactly. He attempted to make it look more like a "health" issue, rather than a "gun" issue.

LIBERTYUSA
LIBERTYUSA

...one more thing start the IMPEACHMENT PROCESS on your COMMUNITY ORGANIZER IN CHIEF. Barry HUSSEIN Soetoro or is it Barack HUSSEIN Soetoro or is Barry HUSSEIN Obama or is it Barack HUSSEIN Obama who ever it is get his A$$ out of the White House !"

poljunkie
poljunkie

I love Gov Perry.

There I said it.

LIBERTYUSA
LIBERTYUSA

...the Constitution of the United States of America ,..."was made only for a MORAL and RELIGIOUS people." John Adams , thks to stage9

There is a solution to all this EVIL that is casting its shadow on us all , accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal saviour , "Let us all return to our places of worship and PRAY for help. Above all let us PRAY for our children." Rick Perry

AMEN

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

I hope you recognize rhetoric when you hear it. It is hoped that such would raise the character of the listener but it seldom does. It seems to me some confuse the founding fathers with the Apostles and other Bible writers. They were not blessed with holy spirit to write our constitution.

While saying such wonderful things, they were engaged in horrible God forsaken acts. The US is not God's Kingdom. Read Isaiah 2:4.

He will judge between the nations

and will settle disputes for many peoples.

They will beat their swords into plowshares

and their spears into pruning hooks.

Nation will not take up sword against nation,

nor will they train for war anymore.

There is no 2nd Amendment in God's Kingdom, in fact there is no weapons at all.

KenInMontana
KenInMontana

Those who beat their swords into plowshares, will plow for those who do not.

The Kingdom of Heaven, is not of this world.

K-Bob
K-Bob

Sure. States rights, and ending slavery. It was both. The Emancipation Proclamation made sure that the slavery issue would always and forever be linked to the war. Your slander against the founders is sick-minded. It was those very religious men who fought the hardest to end slavery. It is still today the anti-religious left that fights hard to maintain racism in the form of skin-color-based policies, just as it was those same people who enacted Jim Crow laws in the south, and who supported Andrew Johnson's anti-black policies up in the North.

Denial is your cause here, not mine. You are selling a ridiculous, cartoonish view of history that is mathematically impossible. You ignore the impossibility of multiple massacres being the way things played out. You ignore my point about men being hung for committing horrific crimes against the natives, to fabricate a claim that I'm building up "these men" who you have slandered.

If you wish to continue slandering the founders (who by the way almost all hated slavery) then you can go back to your racist masters over at HuffPo or Stormfront, I don't care which. We don't tolerate that sick-drivel here.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

As most recognize the war was over States rights and this was almost a 100 years later, regardless as I wrote there were many who spoke out at the time against the evils of Slavery, but for the most part those founders lacked the courage of what they said they believed in, this is a fact, they believed in bible principles but not enough to actually practiced them in this case.

You are right about how disease killed many, but there were massacres, there were deceptions committed by these great men to rob native peoples of there lands. You can gloss over history to build up those men, but you lose something when you do that. People today are not to blame for the errors of their fathers, but when you deny or minimize and refuse to acknowledge those errors, then your lavish words used to describe these men leaves a bad feeling in the hearts of those who know otherwise.

You could say these men who wanted to build a society based on principles in the Bible. They saw the enduring quality of such principles and even though because of the pressure of the times they did not follow these themselves, they trusted that in time the constitution would move the character of the nation closer to those enduring principles.

K-Bob
K-Bob

So don't stay stuck. Go back and re-read it until you understand what he actually wrote.

K-Bob
K-Bob

" 20 kids being killed at Sandy Hook, is nothing compared to what good christian men did to Indian families, no comparison. Or what good christian men did to slaves."

This is a repugnant use of the moral equivalence fallacy. Have you ever bothered to look up the number of times 20 children have been killed in one event? We don't have excellent records on this, but mass murder was not common in the 1600's or 1700's. Most whites lived in and among the natives for generations with only sporadic outbreaks of violence. Your claims here make it sound like a low-budget western shoot-em-up movie, where gunfights happened every day, settlers were burned out every day, and entire Indian villages razed to the ground on a weekly basis.

That never happened. There are periods in early American history when European settlers lived peacefully among the natives for decades before some incident occurred where maybe two or three settlers were killed, and maybe ten "Indians" killed in retaliation. Your distortions here make it seem like men went around with gatling guns, fire, and dynamite, wiping out hundreds of Indians at a time.

The settlers had laws against this, and many thousands of white men were punished for breaking that law. Hung by the neck until dead—which never happens anymore because of squeamish leftists who mollycoddle criminals and praise radicals who commit mass murder. Many settlers went on to live with and intermarry the natives. That went on for over two-hundred years before statehood ever happened. Two-hundred years! And similar things happened out west where Spanish settlers intermingled with the natives for several hundred years, as well.

If history had happened the way you portray it, Indians would have been wiped out to a man in about twenty years, and slave culture would STILL be the law of the land today.

K-Bob
K-Bob

"...the men who founded this nation aspired to principals in the Bible. Yet those principals did not guide them in respect to slaves and Indians."

If that were true in any way, then 800,000 men would never have died to prove that the Declaration of Independence means exactly what it says, and slavery would still be legal here, as it only is in Islamic countries today.

You have to unlearn that ridiculous cartoon history created by Howard Zinn and look at the real numbers involved. Indians weren't simply systematically massacred. Massacres were quite rare, and rarely involved whole tribal groups. The fact is, disease killed an incredibly huge swath of the natives that lived here, long before the Pilgrims arrived.

Most people are shocked to find out how many years lie between Columbus and the Pilgrims. 128 years is many generations, when the average lifespan in only about 36 years.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

God's word can reach the heart and change a willing person. Only a stubborn person will not learn. If you stay stuck, you'll be stuck.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

I know what you are saying, I have know case against the words, let the words stand on their own. But when you try to make them more than they are, saying these men were guided by God, they were moral men, (they were selectively moral) then I beg to differ, with the evidence. Would you listen to a thief lecturing about honesty?

So what was lacking in the founders who did not have the courage of their words or their beliefs to make it right at the beginning?

Gtrjag
Gtrjag

You say to leave God out of discussions about the Constitution and Freedom, but how can you? Our Founding Fathers, though they were not perfect, believed in the sovereignty of the individual, that the individual was more important than the state, and we all are endowed with certain unalienable rights. Where did they get this belief? The answer is God. They understood all men are made in the likeness and image of God, that every individual has dignity and equal value before God, and that our rights come from God, and thus cannot be taken away. These principles do contradict slavery and the treatment of the Indians, and many of the founders knew it at the time and said so. Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson all disagreed with slavery as an institution. However, the principles that the founders upheld were later used to put an end to the atrocities you speak of.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

But that's part of the point- your second last sentence. Yet American government as set up by mere men is still the best form of government.

I'm not going to argue on the past atrocities. Why? It won't change anything, but yet the whole point is still, the men who founded America, still recognized that God is sovereign and that it is the best system of government that will be for a moral people. They could have just let it be a secular humanist or atheistic society and government, which really would have been much the same as Europe. But whether those who wrote the Declaration and signed it, and those who gave us the Constitution were wholly good and moral men, I'm sure they, like all of us will answer to plenty come judgement day. It just depends on if one believes in Jesus and appears before the Bema seat of Christ or the Great White Throne judgement of God.

I can't speak for the past. America like every other nation has had its share of bad- but on a whole, it has still been the greatest nation to live in and I'm grateful to be here and a part of it.

KenInMontana
KenInMontana

You need some remedial reading comprehension courses.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

So you want to make General statements that the founders believed in a moral society and setup a Constitution for moral people and yet they themselves acted in a immoral or amoral way, and you don't want to talk about it. Then you will never understand why the Indians morn on Columbus day while you celebrate it.

You have no Ideal what was tolerated by these so-called moral people. 20 kids being killed at Sandy Hook, is nothing compared to what good christian men did to Indian families, no comparison. Or what good christian men did to slaves. How was God included in this? And this you can read for yourself the journals of the men who did these terrible things and how the government allowed it.

So to say we are not a moral society today, sounds like you have blinders on, we never were a moral society, we just pretended to be when it suited us, but it was a facade. When morals really counted and were tested, we failed utterly. There were many who during these days, preached against such things, publicly condemning those who ignored God's word continued in their lusts and greed. Because we don't teach real history we continue to raise arrogant citizens who believe the US can do nothing wrong. So we never understand why some hate us or think that we are hypocrites.

These are facts that cannot be ignored unless you want to ignore them. So even the best form of Government by men is sorely lacking. The bible is correct when it says Men dominate Men to their injury.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

I never, and don't think anyone else here would say what God intended. I see America as have being blessed- because God was included in society and government. No, not all has been perfect, yes slaughter of Indians and Slavery, but the founders like most saw it as a State say so and not a federal decision and left it up for debate between the States.

I'm not going to go through the day arguing or defending what people back before my time did or didn't do. The fact remains that the founders believed in a moral society, they designed the Constitution for a moral people. Because we are not a moral society anymore, is why so many don't pay attention to, or choose to ignore the Constitution which is Law.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

Don't you think this is rather arrogant. 'If God does not agree with me then there is no God.' We should conform to God, not him to us. But that is the way it is with most religions.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

Slavery. The slaughter of the Indians. Such types of crimes were committed by men throughout history even by Africans and Indians. But as you say the men who founded this nation aspired to principals in the Bible. Yet those principals did not guide them in respect to slaves and Indians. We can't just excuse them because they were fallen or sinful. Mistakes are different from crimes. You see when you bring God into the argument, you have much more to answer for. It is a good argument to just say what the framers intended, not what God intended.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

I don't know what atrocities the founders committed, other than being fallen humans just as we all are. But I still fail to see what the problem is for people who believe in God, yet also have a love for this nation to include Him in trying to defend it. No we can't serve two masters- but again, we live in a fallen world. We can have faith and trust in Him while at the same time trying to keep this country from falling into a complete ash heap. That said, God is in control and whatever happens- good or bad, will not be a surprise to Him.

KenInMontana
KenInMontana

We serve as best we can at the task we are best at. I am one of those that has and still walks the edge of shadow, outside his grace and protection, and he does not speak to me. I am of the rearguard, destined to only find peace asleep in the earth.

To paraphrase, God understands this, and if he does not, then he is not God and I need not worry. Besides, one cannot "unlearn" what has already been learned. You should worry, I don't and won't as I've already made my peace with it.

Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomini Tuo Da Glorium

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

I believe democracy is the best of man-made governments and if they want to aspire to principals in the Bible that is even better. But that alone does not constitute God's blessing nor it's longevity (Rome lasted longer, was God blessing it?). My point is the argument about the 2nd Amendment should rest with what the founders intended, without trying to bring God into the picture, I think this weakens any argument because are we trying to follow the constitution or the Bible? They are not one in the same. The Bible (God) speaks against many of the things the Framers did or allowed. Or are you saying the atrocities committed by this nation were sanctioned by God? See what things you start to blame God for when they were really acts of Men. Just leave God out of it, because he is not in it. The Bible shows us how God feels about an individual or nation who says they serve but do not obey him. You can't serve two masters.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

The US is not God's Kingdom, you're right on that- but what would you have, a nation be built on nothing, or on the belief that God governs the affairs of men? We who believe will serve God and trust in Him- but we will also fight to preserve what the founders intended and the laws which they gave in the Constitution.

I might be thick- but I fail to see the points you're trying to get at?

No nation is perfect- but America was founded on the best principals, and a strong Biblical belief, which is why it has been blessed for so long. It's when we forgot Who our rights come from, and Who is King over us that our nation has slid down to what it is now.

NoTrustInMen
NoTrustInMen

But, Ken Isaiah, was not in reference to heaven. It was how God would take people out of all the nations who would be willing to be instructed by him, who would be willing to change and such instructions would result in peaceful relations between them, that they would not even learn war. And they would now go and invite others to be instructed and change.

Why serve God if you don't trust that what he says is to your benefit?

hbnolikeee
hbnolikeee

With all due respect, not everyone with morals and the belief in God goes to that school. kapeesh? Recall this is/was a Judeo-Christian culture.