Heritage Foundation: House Republicans cave on tax increases and punt entitlements

Heritage’s Morning Bell out today describes Boehner’s most recent proposal to Obama and the Democrats like this:

In a letter signed by House Republican leadership, including Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) and Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), Boehner offered to raise taxes by $800 billion and cut spending by $1.4 trillion, with no substantive reforms to the entitlement programs that are driving U.S. spending and debt.

Heritage’s Alison Fraser, director of the Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies, and J.D. Foster, the Norman B. Ture Senior Fellow in the Economics of Fiscal Policy, quickly responded that “the Republican counteroffer, to the extent it can be interpreted from the hazy details now available, is a dud. It is utterly unacceptable. It is bad policy, bad economics.”

Ugh. We don’t have a revenue problem in this country, we have a massively unsustainable spending problem and the Democrats are running with it. But with House Republicans conceding the revenue issue by raising taxes, they are also concealing the truth from the American people. Same goes with entitlements, the biggest driver in our spending.

You can read more at Heritage.

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  • RKflorida

    Seems like the Democrats are only an external enemy. The GOP is the enemy within. Sorry to type this, but it looks like we are officially a minority of Americans.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Spot on.

    • We have no one fighting for us. Boehner’s a joke, only he’s not funny.

    • They do it for power – the sell it as betterment of mankind.

      The Story of Your Enslavementhttp://www.youtube.qr.net/jOUs/watch?v=9xOf6Pe0ETk

    • Joe Labbe

      I’ve taken my vote and I’m going home with it. I re-registered as un-enrolled from any party. If enough of us do, perhaps the GOPe will stop and notice the room is empty? It’s past time that conservatives start earning the respect of our party instead of contempt. Earn my vote, stop taking us for granted.

  • sDee

    As a wise patriot said – we have already gone off the cliff.

    I believe the elephants are doing this because we live under a one party system that is consolidating power in the Executive branch. I also believe that there is no way back from this Progressive centrally controlled oligarchy except collapse.

    If they do this they need to stand and say “We gave Obama all that he wanted”. Put it in Obama’s lap. They probably will not because they are in it already.

    • BarbaCat

      Do I ever agree with that!

  • colliemum

    I’ll boldly state the obvious:

    All politicians across the Western Nations are incapable of understanding that government spending is out of control, that it is unsustainable.
    No amount of tax increases will fix it.

    Simple truth: one cannot spend one’s way out of debt.

    • ryanomaniac

      I believe they do it intentionally. The Western nations are cool with this one world government that seems to be on the horizon. They do it for the betterment of mankind and world power, of course. It cant happen without kneecapping US citizens who are the last hope before God burns this whole thing down.

      • sDee

        Yes, the wealth has not simply “disappeared”. It is been redistributed. To compound it, those same cabals own out debt. The chits will be called in.

        They do it for power – the sell it as betterment of mankind.

        The Story of Your Enslavement

  • PicklePlants

    I want to fly off the fiscal cliff singing “La -la -la” all the way down. The cliff will allow us to cut spending – across the board – and not increase taxes. What is so bad about that? The problem with the current fiasco is that the average uninformed citizen (Obama voters) really have no idea of our financial situation. Let’s wake them up!

    • If nothing is done the tax rates will go back to Clinton-era rates.

    • 1vote

      There will definitely be an awakening for the masses with the higher rates. At least, it will be more inclusive, not just the 2%. If you are in the 2% (I certainly am not), then, what representation does 2% receive. Not a big deal for the masses. Notice that Obama likes to represent the masses, to hell with other citizens, especially the producers. Isolate, demonize and destroy !!

  • Sober_Thinking

    Being Independent isn’t enough anymore – time for a 3rd party. The damned GOP is nearly as bad as the Democrats. I can’t believe these spineless wimps.

    Both parties could pretty much pass the litmus test as a domestic terrorist.

    God is in control… and man, it appears we are being hollowed out from the inside.

  • Don

    Looks like the demonrats’ march to socialism will be by one fiscal cliff after another. Obama , by winning a second term, has more flexibility to just take his time to get where it he is going to take us. Being a laughingstock on the world stage may be a bigger threat for our freedom than losing the was against our way of life being waged at home by our own elected government.

  • ryanomaniac

    Just plain cowards. They’re too scared of the media. Period. If they had the ability to actually explain what they mean and what their ideas actually do and also explain in detail what Obama plans will do this would be one and done. When I see these people on the Sunday shows and elsewhere they never do this. Being able to articulate ideas is a must have that should be carried in your back pocket. Hey Republicans, just tell the bold ugly truth without all the PC sh**. The Democrat’s don’t hesitate to do so…except for them its the bold ugly LIE.

  • MeanGreenBeret

    Here’s an idea. Blindfold every last one of these damn idiots.
    March them all up the highest cliff you can find.
    Tell them if they march toward that squeaky little voice in the distance there will be a huge pot of money waiting for them.
    Put an Obama speech on and tell em to follow the “leader’

  • The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.

    John Adams

    If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare… The powers of Congress would subvert the very foundation, the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America.

    Alexander Hamilton

    If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute.

    Thomas Paine

    I could say, none of the hypocrites in Washington have looked much at our Founding Fathers or they’d know better. But then again, maybe they know all too well the warnings of our Founders, and they’ve moved so far away from the intents of the Founders because they only care about their power and not the people who put them there.

    A little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation.

    Thomas Paine

    It’s time to move this country.

    • Rshill7

      This GOP had better crawl into their cocoons just long enough to emerge as conservative butterflies or they are going to be burned at the political stake and lynched from “the tree of liberty”.

      We are a people without a party. An ideology without a proponent. Conservatives with nothing left to conserve. Our side is managed by political possums and deer paralyzed in the headlights. We are inmates of one big gulag already. The other side, Stalin incarnate.

      We are a people no longer even possessed of a vote, because of the illegal ones cancelling ours.

      We need workable, tenable, revolutionary ideas. Our forefathers cast off the yoke of Britain. We have yet another yoke, tighter, much more insidious, and even more enslaving and controlling than they.

      Is anybody yet holding another lantern or two in the steeple of Old North Church? One if by land, two if by DC? Is there another Paul Revere riding yet? If not it’s time he mounted that nag and beat it’s ass with a cat of nine tails!

      • mybear, I know you’ve had to seen me spamming this all over the place the past 2 weeks. Please have a look at it. All of it. The links too. http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/

        I might not be a Paul or Paulette Revere, but I’m trying to be a Patricia Henry 😉 I just want folks to know that there are more of us out here who want to return to the Founders, the Constitution and most of all, our Christian heritage. Forget the 2 old parties, lets get some real things going.

    • sDee

      We are being taxed without representation because the Executive Branch incurs debt and initiates regulations which citizens are obligated to pay for in the future.

      This is happening on many fronts.

      Take some seemingly obscure examples:
      – The nationalization of the student loan industry. The Federal Government is already operating this a loss and “forgiving” loans. They will get votes, citizens will have to pay for it yet we never had a say.

      – Dropping the work requirement for welfare and expanding programs like free cellphones.

      – Operating with out a Federal budget gives the Executive branch the full discretion to shift funds or to ieeue deb for programs not approved by Congress.

      – Raising the debt ceiling to cover obligations already made by the Executive Branch.

      Citizens need to understand that, by Congress abdicating its most essential responsibilities, we are being taxed without representation by the Executive Branch into a slavery of debt.

      • colliemum

        Isn’t it also time to turn the famous saying (No taxation without Representation) on its head, and proclaim:
        “No Representation without Taxation!”

        Nobody who doesn’t contribute to society with their taxes should be allowed to vote.

      • Conniption Fitz

        Same thing with the new ‘stealth tax,’ Obamacare.

    • colliemum

      Here’s a quote from an Englishman, to add to your list above:

      “”Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690

      • Nukeman60

        Locke and load, milady. 🙂

        • colliemum

          I saw what you did there, Nukeman60!


          • Nukeman60

            Can’t slip anything passed, can I? But then I knew I couldn’t. 🙂

      • Excellent one mum! I like John Locke. 😀

  • Hacker5988

    Did one really think Boehner was not going to cave. Tha is the only thing the RINO establishment R party know how to do! We deserve Boehmer and Cantor because we let the polticians we elect to keep electing him in the HOUSE. Until we demand from our LOCAL congrressman & women to get him out. It is bottom line our own fault this IDIOT is the speaker with Cantor his side kick.

  • Rocco11

    Boehner is a disaster, like Bill O’Reilly he fell in love with Obama the moment he gazed into his eyes…

  • LIRight

    I just sent this to the Republican Party:

    I am now a former member of the Republican Party.

    I am a disabled veteran, retired police officer, married for 42 years and father of five, all of whom are soon to be former Republicans.

    In view of recent national events, in particular, Speaker Boehner’s handling of the “negotiations” with President Obama and his apparent acquiescence to the demands of the Democrats – I request that I be removed from all mailing lists and all other forms of communication, especially phone calls.

    I am a Conservative – NOT A RADICAL and I refuse to moderate my political positions to accommodate any progressive democrat.

    Good bye and lots of luck!

    • Thank you for your service LIRight. And awesome letter. Thank you.

      • LIRight

        AmericanborninCanada – – – thanks very much for your comment! It is much appreciated.

        • Your service is very much appreciated too my friend. I see you’ve been on Scoop before, but now that I see you, welcome! We’re a good family here 🙂

  • m0r0

    Boehner sucks.

    • Boehner’s a flaccid, impotent crybaby wimp who needs to be smacked around.

  • sjmom

    With cowards like this in Congress hide your wallets everyone because President Slick Fingers and his friends on the Left are heading to your house soon.

  • denbren52

    Boehner will dance and dance, trying to placate us on the right, but the result is already in sight. He will cave on tax rates and he will cave on spending cuts. He may even cave on unlimited debt.

    Not only will we go over the fiscal cliff, they will raise the height and the danger of the cliff before we get there!

  • Republicans didn’t cave on crap this is their plan from day (1).

  • Isn’t Boehner’s recent offer a lot like the offer that was made to Obama in 2011, where there was some revenue increases but spending cuts too? That didn’t go very far, so I don’t know why this would, either. And from what I’ve been reading today, the Democrats will accept nothing but blood and total defeat from the Republicans. So go off the cliff. Let everybody have some skin in the game. Once the people who voted for Obama see how high their taxes are going, they may think twice before voting Democratic again. And blaming the Republicans is going to be hard to do (even though the liberals will gladly do it) when the Republicans don’t control either the Senate or the White House. So if Obama and Reid want to fall off the “cliff” too, let them. Then they can explain to their own people why they’re getting soaked by more spending from Washington.

  • toongoon

    The Right Scoop got a mention on The Gateway Pundit for this post, and a slightly different take.

  • marketcomp

    You know it’s sad to say that we are going to have to lose to remove Boehner as speaker of the house. And then we can remove Paul Ryan, Cantor and McCarthy and few others. Paul Ryan have been in congress for quite somtime now and I don’t know what he’s done specifically but he is certainly in-line with Boehner most of the time which is the reason that the republican party is on the path to extinction. The economy will weaken and the democrats will blame the republican party for the depression!

    • Ryan’s trying to promote the tax cave in and he’s wrong on that, but remember: he did the same thing two years ago on the last tax compromise. You want to know who else voted for that tax compromise? Allen West did.

      Boehner’s weak and ineffectual, but from your post it seems like you want Pelosi back in there.

      • marketcomp

        Yes, you are right, Allen West did promote the tax cave! But guess what Allen West was a junior representative in the house of representatives, NOT, a representative who has been a Congreesmen for 12 or 14 years! Senority vs Freshmen requires two different methods of approach!

  • toongoon

    The Republicans are handing over to the Democrats just they wanted, a one party system.

  • ryanomaniac

    Hey GOP you can fix this. Its a nice day for a white wedding.

  • stage9

    Goodbye Republican Party…you suck!

  • Larchmonter

    John Boehner has kept Paul Ryan in a lock-up, and now his signature appears on this offer.

    I find it all hard to swallow. Paul Ryan needs to stand up and talk. Maybe the vote in Wisconsin and his district frightened him. But, he needs to lead the fight, not follow this spineless House Speaker.

    What is going over the cliff is our way of life, Liberty and the future for our children.

    • 2yves

      Sorry to break it to you. Paul Ryan is not tea party. Sure he had the best plan out there of all house members which would have been a good start. You have to remember that he was also in the house voting for all the increases during the Bush years. I would not put him up on a pedestal yet because he has not accomplished anything and is not fighting hard enough for our goals. Other conservative house members were taken off committee’s by Boehner. I ask why didn’t Boehner remove Paul Ryan from his position in congress?

  • Rshill7

    See, playing chicken with a chicken is a piece of cake.

    See ya’ in the next Ohio primary John. You’re toast. You should be the half eaten resident of a pig trough already.

  • Rocco11

    Even Obama is shocked by the lack of resistance, he expected the fundamental transformation to communism to take at least 10-20 years. Guess he overestimated Boehner…

  • 2yves

    We need another tea party wave part II and this time it must be more devastating for the permanent political class.

  • Wigglesworth111

    Boner’s leadership is flacid.

  • deTocqueville1

    This was entirely predictable. With Bonehead being the ‘spokesman’ of course the conservative side will not win. Their position will not even be articulated. However this will turn out to be a good thing as the hard working American public will start to focus and concentrate on the general corruption and fecklessness in Washington. It has started at the state level and there will be a gathering ground swell moving on first to 2014 to rid the House of Bonehead and then to victory in 2016.

  • toongoon

    The Republicans have a role to play. It is to be the demon to the Democrats messiah. I believe they were intentionally not fighting the destructive liberal policies because they are all part of the rebuilding the new world order to some degree They refused to use the new media to get their, our message across. They demonized and rejected conservatives and would not allow our messages to be part of the Republican platform.
    The low information voters will not be turned from the Democrats when they finally feel the pain of a recession or a complete depression. They have the Republican party to blame and that will be enough. A cynical plan to be sure, but if you think about it, it makes sense. If the Republican party is to blame for everything, elected officials will have control of everything, the Democrats we become government and “government” is good and the demonic Republicans make everything bad.
    The Republicans will always be around to take the blame for everything bad, while the government is praised for trying to make things better.
    It won’t be a bad gig for Republicans to be the evil demon, they will be part of the ruling class, which, among the Washington crowd will be united. The division in government will only be a figment of our imagination through propaganda.

  • stevenbiot

    I don’t think a nation has ever overcome this type of deficit/GDP ratio. Historically speaking, it’s already over. Logically speaking, how are 50% of us going to convince the other 50% that they should work for their money, instead of taking it from us producers? My buddy works as a pharmacist at Rite-Aid. He told me that Medicaid patients cuss him out regularly, because he charges them a dollar copay for medicine that costs me and you hundreds of dollars! Also, as the caller on Mark’s show informed us, Medicaid takers don’t have to, by law, pay their copay. Once a person catches the entitlement virus, they become incurable for the most part.

  • Conniption Fitz

    New nickname for Boehner: “Bend Over Boehner”

    • stevenbiot

      Bend over and can I have another, Boehner

  • pmb88

    “.. cut spending by $1.4 trillion, with no substantive reforms to the entitlement programs that are driving U.S. spending and debt” . Then where is this 1.4 trillion supposed to come from . Is it from all the wars we got out of. Why does not this surprise me of them. Talk the big talk but when it gets hot in the kitchen they cave faster than a souffle.

  • Nukeman60

    Compromise to the GOP is capitulation to everybody else. Either get Boehner a dictionary or get him out (or both).

    When I sent my letter to Boehner’s office asking him to stand firm in regards to the fiscal cliff, I got back an expected form letter stating a bunch of gobbledygook, the most important being this:

    •Stopping all tax rate hikes. According to a study by independent accounting firm Ernst & Young, the fiscal cliff tax rate increases that some want to allow to go into effect will destroy 700,000 jobs. The House passed a bipartisan bill to stop all of the increased tax rates that are scheduled to hit our economy on January 1, but the Senate passed a bill that would only stop some of them. The tax rate hikes that would be allowed to occur under the Senate-passed bill are part of the fiscal cliff economists are warning against. We don’t need higher tax rates, we need a stronger economy.

    So, I guess he either doesn’t read his own outgoing email, or he lied to us, again {here, let me show you my shocked face :-O}.

    • Funny Nukefriend. I used to get the same kind of letters from Bill Nelson (yes, I did e mail the enemy quite often too!) whenever I wrote him about issues I strongly stood against. They’re all creeps.

  • GiantM

    I gotta wonder…just WHAT IS IT…their afraid of. My gosh.

    • snowshooze

      They are afraid of possibly having to get an honest job and be in the position of having to work for a living, and only getting paid for what they are worth.
      That is the only thing there is for them to fear.

  • snowshooze

    It looks like the Federal Government is about to either raid us, or dump all the mess on the States.
    And I think dumping it on the States is the only realistic solution.
    But then we would need to cut the Federal Government to ribbons.
    That would be fine with me. California could do whatever they wanted with no concern from me. New York could fix itself, and so it should.
    Every State for themselves, and the Federal Government sticks with defending the country, rather than de-funding it’s Citizens.
    Citizens in the States would suddenly learn to be better stewards and the price of freedom would be worth it.
    I don’t see an easy way out. There ain’t one.

  • chatterbox365

    This is what happens when you elect RINOs. Boehner has to go and he should be the first politician to boot on the Tea Party list.