By The Right Scoop


Herman Cain gave a speech today in Detroit introducing “Opportunity Zones” in his 999 plan. In short, if you are at or below poverty level, the plan will be 9-0-9.

While he was delivering it, I must say that it occurred to me that he was sounding more presidential than ever. That’s the first time I’ve had that thought.

This is his entire 20 minute speech:

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  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.mahoney Robert Mahoney

    Thanks RS. I tried to watch it live but missed it. Was hoping you would have it, and you did! Ya always come through.

  • Jamie Lowe

    Did he lift this idea from that staunch “Conservative” JACK KEMP and his enterprise zones?

    • http://twitter.com/bassmaster12 Jim R

      I want my opportunity zone! I’m special and deserve it! I only want to pay 909, or 099, or maybe 990 – better yet, how about 900. Let the other poor schmucks pay the full 999!

      • Josh

        In North Korea you can pay Life-Liberty-Freedom.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2UVIVT46ZFSPHFY6T6QHJIKQME Christine Lewis

        Fine.. don’t compromise and have Obama as your President for the next 4 years. Ideologues always lose.

        • Anonymous

          If it’s in regard to concretes, then compromise is acceptable, but what is not acceptable is the idea that one should compromise on fundamental principles and on moral issues.

          • Anonymous

            These opprotunity zones is way for us to break down liberal strong holds that are choking off any hope of recovery from democrat created blighted cities.

            The only way to bring America back to her former glory is to break the headlock unions and democrats have on inner cities…

            Mr. Cain is a visionary and a hero for coming up with a plan like this.

            • Anonymous

              If there’s opportunity, then it should be across the whole of America. Not just in “zones” which the government deems acceptable. There’s no constitutional basis for it anyway, and it would have to be left up to the states. I could see the federal gov getting challenged on it from the left.

          • Scott Cainiac

            “Yesterday in an interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, I was asked questions about abortion policy and the role of the President.

            I understood the thrust of the question to ask whether that I, as president, would simply “order” people to not seek an abortion.
            My answer was focused on the role of the President. The President has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone. That was the point I was trying to convey.

            As to my political policy view on abortion, I am 100% pro-life.
            I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution..who are committed to the rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children.
            I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life”

            – Herman Cain

            • Anonymous

              Sounds pretty clear to me. What’s all the hollering about his “vague” position on abortion? Personally I don’t agree with his stance on rape and incest victims, their right to abort, but that’s his “opinion” and not something he (as this and other statements I’ve heard from him makes clear) as president would have any legal right to enforce.

          • James Foley

            So which of the other compromisers are you pushing?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rachel-Sevasin-Cox/1679093693 Rachel Sevasin Cox

        You whine too much. Those of us paying 999 will still be paying less than now so what’s the big deal? Let’s help Detroit and it’s people to go from the city with the highest unemployment to the national average. Get the city cleaned up and people working. Less crime, better neighborhoods and schools helps all of us. We have less food stamps and welfare to pay for…we all win. The republicans are seen as the party who hates poor people. This helps that image because we should be willing to help people who will WORK to be better. When they reach an equal footing then 909 can be changed to 999.

        • Anonymous

          I couldn’t have said it better myself… also back in 1980 Reagan campaigned to do something similar to end unions headlock they held over these areas, of course he didn’t succede, but the idea is still the same to help bring back manufacturing in America.

      • Scott Cainiac

        One of the many great things about our nation is that we are free to move from State to State and from City to City with a minimum of Government interference. Detroit would love to have you, and hosing is very affordable right now. But, Id do it soon, because investment property will be considerably more expensive as the economic boom of the next decade takes off.
        Good luck and I look forward to seeing you on this site in a couple of years, commemorating the starting place of your economic freedom.

    • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

      you got to go read the Opportunity Zone plan, it very interesting
      http://www.hermancain.com/wp-content/themes/hc/images/HC-OppZone-MI-WebPDF-v1.pdf

      he mentions enterprise zones and transforming the US into one opportunity zone.
      He will have districts competing to be opportunity zones by incentives from local, private, church, groups. So the whole community has to get involved to be awarded the deductions and taking away barriers for companies to go there.

      The most interesting thing is that he will not only affect national laws and regulations but state and local. People are going to want to be an opportunity zone so they are going to push their local leaders to act.

      This is BOLD!

    • Steven

      It was always in the plan. But just as he said, he served on a tax reform commission with Kemp. It’s a good idea and has been implemented in places like Harlem that have been revitalized. This is a bold plan and kudos to Cain for the courage to defend and promote it.

    • http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles

      Confusing – NO…

      Neither Cain’s position on abortion or 999 is confusing.

      Under current USA “law”, uh, I mean, the “fiat proclamation” by SCOTUS a long time ago, Cain’s point to Stossel that the President can NOT order a citizen to choose adoption [or abortion] is the common sense response… under current fiat law.

      I had the same question as you when Jack Kemp introduced the “enterprise zone” the first time many years ago.

      Why not make the whole country an “enterprise” zone?

      My conclusion then about Kemp’s proposal, and now with Cain’s 9-9-9 proposal, is it has to start somewhere and somehow and sometime.

      So, why not now?

      Finally, 9-0-9 is simply a start, and Jack Kemp would probably agree with Cain that it is an excellent start… starting with the poor… AND including the rich.

      A “fair and balanced” tax plan that benefits poor AND rich is an excellent start.

      Art

    • http://twitter.com/Jeanne_57 Jeanne

      Jamie, did you even watch the video? I doubt it… you just don’t get it and not worth the effort to explain to someone who is close minded. If you don’t like Herman Cain, well, you are entitled to your opinion. But ignorance is not a good enough reason to bash him.

      • Jamie Lowe

        Yes I did watch it. I learned that he is changing 999 to 909 or 900 or 099 or 990 or whatever combination makes you happy. I also learned that certain parts of the country deserve a little more freedom than other parts. What did I miss?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rachel-Sevasin-Cox/1679093693 Rachel Sevasin Cox

          Have you ever been to Detroit? It’s sad there are cities like that in America. Why not help the people who are willing to WORK? The 909 affects the income tax…that means it helps those who are working. They have the highest unemployment rate in the nation…let’s have some compassion and help them get to the national average and then it can be changed to 999. MOre of them working means less food stamps and welfare for us to pay…it helps them and us.

        • Scott Cainiac

          Last weeks argument: 999 places too much of a burden on the poor.
          This weeks argument: 909 doesn’t place enough of a burden on the poor.

        • Dale Noyse

          Jamie, if you have read the 999 plan you would know that it works on a sliding scale, please, get someone in tax prep to break down this plan. It will help you better understand the nature of this plan.

    • Scott Cainiac

      “Yesterday in an interview with Piers Morgan on CNN, I was asked questions about abortion policy and the role of the President.

      I understood the thrust of the question to ask whether that I, as president, would simply “order” people to not seek an abortion.
      My answer was focused on the role of the President. The President has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone. That was the point I was trying to convey.

      As to my political policy view on abortion, I am 100% pro-life.
      I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution..who are committed to the rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children.
      I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life”

      – Herman Cain

  • Anonymous

    I dont like the opportunity zones, disparages the market.

    • Anonymous

      why? Detroit is really helping the US now with all their tax revenue right? There is probably more tax money spent on Detroit than we receive from Detroit.

      I think its a good Idea to have “opportunity zones” let people who are struggling and are in an environment of failure and low confidence, keep what they earn. I think this plan works to inspire people to make their own money.

      Contrast this with Obama:
      Obama to poor= we will take other people’s money and give it to you, motivation to be a victim
      Cain to poor= keep all of the money you earn- motivation to work

    • Scott Cainiac

      Could you elaborate? I don’t believe that you understand the meaning of “disparages”, and apparently 8 others don’t either.

  • Anonymous

    Scoop, you are right, Mr. Cain was speaking with Presidential authority. My only question to him would be this, what do we do to get the economy moving while waiting for 999 to pass? I believe we need immediate plans while waiting, or we might not make it.

    • Anonymous

      I believe the economy would get a boost from Obama’s departure alone. Another boost would follow as soon as the plan is written and sent to Congress with a final boost once it passes. Sure beats another stimulus or another “do nothing” administration.

      • Anonymous

        jay, I hear you about the do nothings in washington and more stimulus. I do hope your right about the immediate boost, so many have already lost their homes, jobs etc. So sad!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2UVIVT46ZFSPHFY6T6QHJIKQME Christine Lewis

      Cain has said he would work to get 9-9-9 passed in the first 90 days.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you, I didn’t know that!

      • Anonymous

        Ugh. That would be like “W” trying to get Social Security reform done in his second term.

        I hope like crazy that Cain will be smart enough not to let 999 distract him from the most important issues of our time.

        I’m on the Cain train now, though I don’t support all off 999. But if I get the sense he’s gonna try to ram it through immediately, I’m jumping off.

        Priority #1 is to repeal Obamacare. Anyone who isn’t making that his or her top priority does not deserve the nomination.

        • Scott Cainiac

          So if he focuses on getting people back to work, as his first priority, he doesn’t have your vote?
          *facepalm*

          • Anonymous

            Straw Palm.

            Focusing on revising the tax code “First” is NOT focusing on getting people back to work.

            1) Repeal Obamacare
            2) Cut corporate tax rates, end capital gains, and kill the death tax.

            Item #1 is vital to the future of the nation, and I won’t vote for anyone who doesn’t make that their highest priority.

            Item #2 can be done, immediately, and would spur economic activity NOW. Reforming the tax code will take years to get going.

            So, yes focus on getting people back to work, please. Not on some systemic thing that will take years to get done.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

      He admits that 999 is revenue neutral… therefore, it alone won’t do anything to jumpstart the economy. 999 is a way for politicians to tax our money every time we earn it AND every time we spend it… it’s dangerous because it will be taken advantage of on both fronts.

      • Scott Cainiac

        Are you trying to be obtuse, or is this really eluding you? On another note, but relevant to your post; school voucher programs are part of the criteria to qualify as an Empowerment Zone.

    • Scott Cainiac

      We elect or re-elect Representatives and Senators to represent our desire us in Washington.

    • Scott Cainiac

      We campaign for and elect or re-elect those that pledge to support the plan.

  • Steven

    This is a good plan. I don’t know what else people want. You are talking about getting rid of this terrible code. You are talking about economic growth. You are talking about a simplified tax regime. You are talking about low tax rates. You are talking about helping those below the poverty line. I don’t understand what people want. They are just pining for the status quo. This is the only comprehensive plan out there, until we hear about Perry’s plan.

    But Cain delivered this address well, without teleprompter. One thing is certain, Cain can explain his plan. And he can sell this to minority communities.

    Mr. Cain is a “political novice” but he’s not a leader novice. He can lead and has led and been successful. On the economy, in my opinion, due to the dearth of bold solutions, there is no one better in the field. And so long as he is carry the Tea Party mantle, belying all who suggested it is racist, I will stand with Cain.

    • Anonymous

      Well said.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

      I’m sorry, but while it is well intended, 999 is not a good plan. Reagan had good intentions when he simplified the income tax in the 80’s, which worked for a while… but look at how much it has been gamed over the past 20+ years. Now imagine how much politicians and lobbyists will game 2 different forms of taxation (income and sales tax).

      Not only that, but Can admits that 999 is revenue neutral… meaning it is not a tax cut, and therefore will not spur economic growth. It doesn’t address the far greater issue of cutting government spending.

      • Scott Cainiac

        You never read the plan. Who are you to pass judgment on it?

      • Dale Noyse

        This plan eliminates the current tax code, essentially, one tax at a lower rate will replace 7 to 10 taxes or maybe even more, thus lowering the overall tax rate, not to hard to figure out. Additionally, one who purchases used items will NOT be taxed on them. This means a great deal to people who are starting businesses with used equipment. Please TannerE, read the entire plan before you make assertions.

  • Anonymous

    The market, not Herman Cain, should choose where opportunity happens.

    • Scott Cainiac

      I will be putting more trust in President Cain than you. If your ideas are solid, there is still time to file.

      • Anonymous

        Is this what we’ve come to?

        The fate of the nation…in the hands of a “politician”?

        My my my… how far we have fallen.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    Glenn Beck just raised a big red flag on Cain and his abortion stance. “Cain’s position is no different than John Kerry’s.” And this AFTER Cain clarified it. Not good. We have got some tough choices before the convention.

    Don’t beat the Perry horse too hard. We may need to ride it come next November.

    • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

      Was John Kerry going to defund tax payer abortion provisions?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2UVIVT46ZFSPHFY6T6QHJIKQME Christine Lewis

      Go ahead and vote for Bachman or Santorum or Perry.. and lose the election to Obama. Barack Obama voted 4 times against the Born Alive Infant’s Protection Act. Go ahead and stick to your ideological positions (that lose every time), and have Obama as your President for the next 4 years.
      Herman Cain is a Baptist and has always been pro life..it is the Liberal media that is distorting every word he says.

      As for Beck.. he is a Mormon, and will vote for a Mormon.

      • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

        Cain can’t even defend his own 9-9-9 plan.

        Obama = Killed Bin Laden + killed Q’Daffy + POTUS for 4 years

        Cain = 9-9-9 pie in the sky + abortion is murder but I don’t t hink the government should regulate it.

        Cain is not the one. I will hold my nose and vote for Perry because at lease Perry has a great record on jobs. And this election is abou 3 things: jobs, jobs, jobs.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2UVIVT46ZFSPHFY6T6QHJIKQME Christine Lewis

          I don’t believe for one minute you are any thing more than a Obama or Ron Paul supporter.
          Obama did not kill Bin Laden, the Navy Seals did. And he did not kill Gadhfi, the Rebels did. Now you are toting Obama as a great “War President”.. that should play well with liberals.

          • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

            You are so wrong it’s delicious.

            Cain will not be POTUS in 2012 just as I predicted that Sarah Palin would not be president in 2012.

            Sorry, but I don’t do fantasy politics.

            • http://twitter.com/DannyFromWI DJ DeMent

              You kinda can’t claim a victory in that position as she chose not to ran and therefore there was no way you could be proven right or wrong dude.

              And yeah, Cain can win.

            • Anonymous

              You had the same odds as a coin toss with that “prediction.”

              • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                Sure.

            • Scott Cainiac

              Darn, I’ll contact the campaign in the morning. No reason to ruin their last night of good sleep with this horrible news.

              • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                Thanks!

        • Anonymous

          Obama killed Quadafi? An errant 3-iron to the temple, perhaps?

          I think Perry would make a great President. I don’t see him surviving any debates, though. He’s making a bid to replace Admiral Stockdale as one of the worst in a TV debate.

          • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

            You undersestimate the power of the MSM to conflate stories and create myth. By this time next year they’ll have One-bama actually flying the Preditor Drone from his golf cart.

            Perry is the least objectionable and the election is about JOBS!!! Given all his other flaws, I think Perry can hit One-bama over and over on jobs. One-bama has spent trillions and produced nothing but debt. That is his greatest weakness.

            • Anonymous

              I agree that Perry would be a good President. I just don’t see him doing well in debate, even against the champion SCOAMF.

              I don’t get it. Perry is great in interviews.

              • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                True. I think as time goes on Perry will get his skills together. He needs to hit at the jobs issue. That’s his winner issue.

                • Scott Cainiac

                  For his sake, I hope that happens soon, we are entering crunch time.

              • Scott Cainiac

                Maybe in 8 years he will be more comfortable on the national stage?

            • Scott Cainiac

              He’s going to need some coaching on his vocabulary, it’s too soon after GWB. I’m not knocking Gov. Perry. It’s just an observation, kind of like Mr. Cain doesn’t need to go “folksy” like he did with the “Black Walnut” deal. He is already connecting with the public, we don’t need him to be folksy.

              • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                Sure.

          • Anonymous

            I should point out that Admiral Stockdale was a great man, and an American hero. He just turned out to be terrible in debate.

          • Scott Cainiac

            Admirable Stockdale?!?!?! Bonus multiplier Sir.

            • Anonymous

              “Why am I here?” –Admiral Stockdale

              Good times.

        • Scott Cainiac

          You not being able to read the plan yourself, is not a knock on him.

          • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

            There is no plan. It’s an outline. There are no details. There are no specifics. You’re seeing things that aren’t there.

            • Anonymous

              I see plenty of details. That’s why I want some of them changed. I can see disagreeing with parts of it or even all of it, but it’s not for lack of specifics.

              Federal (and most state) income tax is even more vague. “We get to tax your income, wherever we can claim it’s income.”

              It doesn’t take a raft of definitions, inclusions and exclusions to outline a solid plan.

    • Anonymous

      Perry means 4 more years of Obama…He can barely construct a sentence

      • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

        If Perry can’t do it then we are in deep trouble.

        Cain is not the one.

        • Scott Cainiac

          Gov. Perry may be great for the state of Texas, but he is just not connecting to as broad of an audience as Mr. Cain. We are working on a shoe string budget and with =very little in the way of structure. Yet, we are tied or leading every other candidate almost coast to coast, due to the efforts os volunteers like myself, who take the initiative to educate their community about Mr. Cain and his platform. We are changing politics, as we know it.

          • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

            No money = no support. If people don’t think his plan is worth donating to they are just talking. And talk is cheap.

      • Anonymous

        I live in Texas and I won’t vote for Perry. He’s just too sneaky for me.

    • http://twitter.com/metro_con metro_con

      Wouldn’t be the first time Beck took something someone said or did out of context. See: Breitbart, Andrew.

      • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

        Andrew is being sued Beck is not.

        See “reality”.

        • http://twitter.com/DannyFromWI DJ DeMent

          Andrew is being sued on a false premise and Beck stuck a knife in his back and twisted it. Then turned around and plagiarized the work of others.

          There’s your reality.

          • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

            Sure.

    • Scott Cainiac

      OH NOES!!!!
      *pulls covers over head*
      Let them continue to expose themselves as the hacks that they are, and have always been.

  • Anonymous

    Herman did a great job. He had me a little worried after the abortion answer on Piers Morgan the other day.

    Honestly, I was reluctant about the “Opportunity Zones” when I first heard about them, but if they’re done right, they may just be a solution to the economic disasters that exist in the inner cities. If they can replace entitlement with empowerment, they will change the economic and political landscape of this country.

    • http://twitter.com/metro_con metro_con

      After seeing Cain on Huckabee’s show this past weekend, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cain ended up getting his endorsement. Huckabee seemed very enthusiastic about 9-9-9.

      A strategically-timed endorsement in the week before Iowa would be a big deal.

    • Scott Cainiac

      They are already on. It’s just not the right time to announce. Timing is crucial.

  • Anonymous

    Where in the US constitution does it grant the federal government the power to create “opportunity zones”?

    I’m just curious.

    • Jamie Lowe

      It is in the Constitution right between abortion and marriage. You need a special decoder ring and 3-D glasses to find it though.

      • Anonymous

        ***threadwinner***

    • Scott Cainiac

      Your argument is going to be that this is Unconstitutional? Man, I love you guys. I thought this process was going to be difficult. Mr. Cain’s strategy is even sounder than I expected.

  • Anonymous

    From Cains site
    Phase One

    Our current economic crisis calls for bold action to truly stimulate the economy and Renew America back to its greatness. The 9-9-9 Plan gets Washington D.C. out of the business of picking winners and losers, using the tax code to dole out favors, and dividing the country with class warfare.

    9% Business Flat Tax
    Gross income less all purchases from other U.S. located businesses, all capital investment, and net exports.

    Empowerment Zones will offer deductions for the payroll of those employed in the zone.

    9% Individual Flat Tax.

    Empowerment Zones will offer additional deductions for those living and/or working in the zone.

    You notice there is no deductions for wages except in the empowerment zone, plus his plan will offer additional deductions for those living and or working in The Cain zone.

    Doesn’t that contradict ” The 9-9-9 Plan gets Washington D.C. out of the business of picking winners and losers, using the tax code to dole out favors, and dividing the country with class warfare. “

    • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

      I don’t think so, so far what I get is that this is an incentive for labor based business, who whas going to be affected with 9-9-9 as you have mentioned before, to move directly into an empowerment zone and provide low skilled type employment to people. Win for business, win for people with no jobs, low skills.

      • Anonymous

        That’s picking winners and losers. It’s not a win for the majority of businesses not in the empowerment zones. The businesses in the empowerment zones can lower prices due to the huge savings from being able to deduct cost of wages. Businesses not in the empowerment zones won’t have that option. How can they be competitive with Cain’s chosen businesses?

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

          It sounds like you just don’t want to like his plan. It’s not picking winners and losers per se, it’s helping the losers turn into winners without giving them bailouts and such.

          • Anonymous

            With all due respect for all you do for us, it sounds like you want Cain regardless of the facts. What Cain would do is turn non empowerment zones into empowerment zones. He also wants to give people living in empowerment zones benefits that people living in non-empowerment zones won’t get even though they may have a lower income than these people in the empowerment zones.

            I have some questions.

            Under Cain’s Federal Sales Tax, what will be taxed? Don’t need to hear about used. That’s been shoved down our throats enough.

            Will rent be taxed?
            Will utilities be taxed?
            Will medicine be taxed?
            Will Dr bills be taxed?
            Will dental bills be taxed?
            Will Life insurance be taxed?
            Will Health insurance be taxed?
            Car insurance or property insurance?

            We already know that food will be taxed.

            I sincerely would like to know, so if you have a link that can verify what will be taxed under his plan please post it here.

            I’ll have more questions later. Thanks again for all you do for us.

            • Anonymous

              I do have another question. When 999 becomes the Fair tax, how mich is the prebate for a single person?

            • http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles

              Hey wllliamm…

              Thanks for your informative questions.

              Why not ask Cain the questions on his Contact Us page and let us know what the response is, whether you agree with the responses or not? Your informative points are appreciated.

              – – – – – – – –

              >> Cain’s Contact Us page – http://www.hermancain.com/contact-us

              “Our campaign is always looking for feedback, inquiries, and encouragement from our supporters.

              “Please fill out the form to the left and let us know what is on your mind.

              “Your submissions will be reviewed, considered, and processed by our team in an effort to provide the best service possible.

              “Thank you so much for visiting our site.

              “We are looking forward to hearing from you.”

              – – – – – – –

              With all the questions being asked on Cain’s site, a bullet point outline like you list above would hopefully be addressed to you personally.

              If not addressed to you personally, maybe it would be addressed somewhere else in the future.

              It’s worth a try.

              Art

              • Anonymous

                Something I learned about prebates. That’s why I wanted someone to reply.

                Herman Cain Explains the Fair Tax

                @ 1:17 “Every family deserves to get a prebate”

                9 responses to 9 false attacks on the 9-9-9 plan

                http://www.northstarwriters.com/2011/10/16/9-responses-to-9-false-attacks-on-the-9-9-9-plan/

                From Claim 4

                The last thing we need is to establish another federal entitlement, which the proposed pre-bate would quickly become.

                • http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles

                  Pre-bate vs. federal entitlement…

                  Good point.

                  Are you asserting that a pre-bate can only be possible as a federal entitlement?

                  I don’t know if it can or can not.

                  – – – – – – – –

                  If anybody knows what they said and what they wrote, it is probably Herman Cain.

                  If the “last” thing needed is to “establish” a federal “entitlement” to provide a prebate as he mentioned in Claim #4 below, then Cain needs to clarify how to provide a prebate as he mentioned in the

                  >> YouTube clip – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg9fesMAvwA

                  without establishing an entitlement.

                  Read more: 9 responses to 9 false attacks on 9-9-9
                  >> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=356825

                  Claim No. 4:
                  The plan should have included a pre-bate to offset the sales tax.

                  Response:
                  The last thing we need is to establish another federal entitlement, which the proposed pre-bate would quickly become.

                  And it’s not necessary.

                  The consumption tax replaces ones already embedded in prices.

                  It’s not the prices that would increase, but the visibility of the taxes being paid. … .

                  – – – – – – – –

                  Well, the educating of the people continues.

                  The result that Cain said he intended for the 9-9-9 plan discussion to produce is an educated people.

                  Art

                • Anonymous

                  What I am saying is back in May,Cain was for the prebate plan and 5 months later he did his usual flip flop and now is against it. As to his consumption tax replacing embedded taxes, where’s the proof that embedded taxes are 22% ?

                  He needs to provide the study so other people can challenge it.

                  His people provided us with an online calculator to prove how much you would save when embedded taxes are removed. I know some of the Cain supporters really ate that up big time as if that proved anything. A one dollar calculator could do the same. It’s nothing more than a calculator that multiples the price x .22 in this case. It could have been programmed with any multiplier.
                  The country bought a pig in a poke in 2008. We can’t afford to do it again.

                  He needs to directly answer questions without saying ‘and here’s why ”

                  Direct answers. No speeches.

                • http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles

                  So…

                  If Cain was for the pre-bate before he was against it, is a pre-bate a bad thing to be against now or a good thing to retain?

                  If a pre-bate can only be accomplished with a federal “entitlement” Big Gov machinery, that is a bad thing, isn’t it?

                  If Cain concluded that an “entitlement” would require Big Gov machinery to be established, and he then tweaked his own 9-9-9 plan away from a pre-bate and the “entitlement” element, that’s a good thing, isn’t it?

                  If Cain has tweaked 9-9-9 into an enterprise zone and 9-0-9 to benefit the poor AND benefit the rich, that is a good thing, isn’t it?

                  Hang in there williamm, Cain might tweak his 9-9-9 / 9-0-9 plan to the point that you and I together in unison might say “uncle” uh, I mean, Mr. President.

                  Who knows until we know.

                  Art

                • Scott Cainiac

                  Look at the average corporation tax, that is passed on to you by the business in the form of higher costs. did I mention school vouchers will be part of qualifying for the empowerment zone benefits?

                • Scott Cainiac

                  What we need is to keep the status quo, or seize more of the assets of the rich. Maybe even raise the level of taxation on repatriated profits in order to ensure that we keep Trillions of dollars from being invested in our economy. After all, a prosperous nation has little need for a Marxist Revolution.

                • Scott Cainiac

                  What we need is to keep the status quo, or seize more of the assets of the rich. Maybe even raise the level of taxation on repatriated profits in order to ensure that we keep Trillions of dollars from being invested in our economy. After all, a prosperous nation has little need for a Marxist Revolution.

            • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

              I’m not saying Cain’s plan isn’t worthy of criticism and I’ve never attacked people for criticizing it economically.

              I just think the idea of it picking winners and losers is quite a bit of a stretch out of his speech. He’s trying to create an environment where businesses in poor cities succeed by letting them have more of their money. It’s the same idea we use already to get growth going. When they succeed it’s good for the people and the city will grow.

              • Anonymous

                where this speech?

                • Anonymous

                  It was in Detroit, at Roosevelt Park, with the now-abandoned Michigan Central Depot in the background.

                • Anonymous

                  Thanks , but Detroit Michigan UNIONS CAPITAL, why there?

                • Anonymous

                  As bad as trade unions can be, especially with Obama giving them major chunks of the Auto companies, they are not nearly as bad as public sector unions.

                  A lot of auto workers are conservative. The reason Michigan is a “purple” state is because Detroit is always voting Democrat.

                  However, Cain should peel some Detroit votes away from Obama.

                • Anonymous

                  I should add, that a lot of guys I know in the trade unions are salt-of-the-Earth, standup people, who give a lot back to their communities.

                  It’s union leadership that is the problem, but not nearly as much as in the public sector.

                • Scott Cainiac

                  Because part of the plan is that you must declare that area a right to work area. Which means that you do not have to recognize unions in your workforce. Hence, the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

                • Anonymous

                  Sit down and waiting for my friend, For some reason he go to the unions capitals, its clear ,but nobody here want to see.

              • Anonymous

                I agree you haven’t attacked people for disagreeing with you. I also don’t attack people that support it unless they say I’m a freeloader, my SS is a welfare check, or telling me to buy used. That happens a lot on this forum, but I can handle it.

                There’s nothing wrong with us disagreeing on any of this stuff on Cain.

                • Scott Cainiac

                  As long as the disagreement is logic based, you are correct. Otherwise it is just unproductive rhetoric and we have settled for that, for far too long.

              • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

                But Cain admits that 999 is revenue neutral… meaning that it isn’t a tax cut – the tax revenue just gets shifted around a bit. It basically moved half of the current corporate tax and places it on the consumer at point-of-sale (which already happens when businesses pass on their taxes to the consumer). So because it’s revenue neutral, 999 wouldn’t produce any additional incentive for economic growth. It may be more friendly for investors… but consumers will be making up for that lost tax revenue and won’t have any extra money to consume as much.

                • Scott Cainiac

                  Revenue nuetral means that it brings in as much revenue as the current system of taxatiojn. I know that this is new, so it may be difficult at first to grasp.
                  1. reduce cost of doing business
                  2. reduce penalties on investment capital
                  3. businesses grow
                  4. more contributors paying less individually equals or is more than previous system.

        • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

          The idea as I read, more details need to come out, its for the whole country to become an opportunity zone, its a national competion to de-regulate and allow business back to the US. Instead of dividing it will be uniting communities to want to become more business friendly.

          • Anonymous

            This is exactly right, Edenjac.

            Right now the left has persuaded a large portion of the country to be upset because the rich aren’t being taxed more.

            Cain’s Opportunity Zone plan will make people upset because they aren’t being taxed LESS.

            It completely reverses the current mindset and it’s absolutely brilliant.

            • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

              Yes, he is using the technique in reverse. You can already see results with the union fatties crying out. This man is no rookie in tax issues, he knows how it affects business and people. The plan revolves about making everything more efficient like it should be.

        • http://twitter.com/DannyFromWI DJ DeMent

          It’s encouraging the losers to get back up and push forward again, to know they won’t be held down until they can pull their weight. Frankly it’s the best kind of assistance there is.

        • Scott Cainiac

          well they will have to go through an exhaustive process with the government to relocate to an empowerment zone. There will be security checkpoints set up, and they will have to bribe their way through each one. The lives of their families will be forfeit, as the State will seek to make an example out of those left behind…..
          waitaminute- We live in America, they can relocate, or seek change through their local representatives to turn their areas into economic zones.

    • Anonymous

      Well, lets say you’re a business. You can get an edge on other businesses by moving to Detroit. Your business succeeds because your taxes are lower. You hire people in Detroit. They go from welfare recipients to taxpayers. It’s all about getting people back to work. A rising tide floats all boats.

  • Anonymous

    This man makes Obama’s so-called speaking abilities (touted so much back in 2008) look absolutely CRAP! Cain/Bachmann 2012.

    • Anonymous

      Bachmann as the VP pick would make the left rage so hard it would be funny.

      • Anonymous

        I can see the movie now ~ ~ ~ ~

        Rage Hard!

        Starring Islamic Rage Boy, and a cast of thousands (of Soros’ minions)!

        • Scott Cainiac

          You could hear the gnashing of teeth on the wind the night it broke.

          • Anonymous

            That’s some good Bad Hemingway!

      • Scott Cainiac

        She seems like a very competent representative, but I would like to see a less polarizing figure as the VP.

    • http://twitter.com/metro_con metro_con

      I think Cain would be wise to pick a strong, conservative governor as a running mate, if we’re fortunate enough to see Herman get the nomination.

      Unfortunately, some of the best governors are still in their first term and I wouldn’t want to take them away from their states. Jindal, Scott, Walker, Haley, McDonnell, and Christie are all doing well for their states.

      • Scott Cainiac

        How is Christie a conservative?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Agor-Jagot/100002707161507 Agor Jagot

          Cain/Rubio!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1497076194 Travis Pierson

      I was never impressed with Obama’s oratory skills. Sure, he’s okay at doing the preacher inflection thing which, I guess, can sucker some people (“Elmer Gantry. Elmer… Fudd Gantry”), but he never says anything worth remembering. Substance matters. Obama still has yet to deliver a speech that contained one iota of substance.

      • Anonymous

        I think Obama said “Yes, we Cain!”

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1497076194 Travis Pierson

          Does anyone else find it ironic that Obama used “Yes, we can!” as a campaign slogan and then, after taking office, immediately started telling us all the things we can’t keep doing.

          Can’t eat potatoes.
          Can’t drive a big car.
          Can’t keep your house 72 degrees all year.
          Can’t blah blah blah et cetera et cetera ad infinitum.

          My response is, predictably, “Yes, we can!”

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    NO cue cards – Speaks from his heart and convictions

    • Anonymous

      He had notes, and he definitely read from them. In fact, I think he needs to have the mics raised up a bit so he isn’t always looking downward. Of course, you can raise them too high, so you look like Obama, looking down his nose at everyone.

      • Scott Cainiac

        solid advice. thank you.

  • Anonymous

    I know it’s pointless to bring this up because people who think Cain was presidential in that speech are too far gone to care what he says or does. But here goes:

    You do all realize that Cain’s new 9-0-9 plan makes the non payment of income tax policy, right? You get that? Right now, the lowest tax bracket is 10%. People don’t pay that or pay nothing, or even get refunds, due to tax rules given to low income people. There is no stated policy that says people are exempt from the income tax. It just works out that way because of the rules.

    Does any one here give a rats ass about principles?

    As far as Cain being presidential? Compared to Obama he came across as just as thin skinned and self centered. That debate really, really bothered him and his digs at the other candidates was pure Obama.

    • joel Fiser

      No income tax is what we want.
      The end game is The Fair Tax – which means no income tax for anybody – only consumption tax.

      • Anonymous

        So what happens to Social Security and Medicare? They become flat out welfare programs, right? We no longer have any moral claim to any of the money we pay into those programs now, right? Great. Wonderful idea. Just as demographics make us top heavy with the elderly we make it clear they’re on the dole. Great idea.

    • Scott Cainiac

      As compared to who else in the GOP field?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1706791868 Darlene Boudah

    what about the states that do not any sales tax or income like here in NH I still have not heard any alernative solutions???

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, notice how in this speech Cain has no problem connecting his opportunity zones with local policies and procedures. But state sales taxes have nothing to do with his national sales tax and anyone who brings it up is stupid.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1497076194 Travis Pierson

        Even in states that don’t pay sales tax, companies pay the corporate tax rate of up to 36%. That rate would be cut to 9%. Companies would be able to maintain profits at a lower cost so the price of all goods and services would drop. The corporate tax rate is added on several levels – from raw materials, manufacturer, wholesaler, distributor on to the final point of sale. With a lower corporate tax rate, the end cost the consumer pays will easily be 25% less than it is now and could be closer to 40% less. So, if you’re paying a 9% sales tax on an item that is 40% less than it used to be, you’re still going to come out ahead.

        One criticism of this “assumption” is that companies will not necessarily reduce their prices. That may be true of some, but others will see their lower cost as an opportunity to gain an edge over their competitors. Any who stubbornly refuse to lower prices will either succumb to downward pressure on the broader market or will be forced out of the market altogether. If I go into a grocery store and find that the brand of mustard I normally buy is nearly twice the price of an equivalent competitor, I will become an ex-customer of the first brand. I’m going to buy the competitor’s brand every time.

        Democracy reigns in capitalism. You get to vote with your dollars dozens – if not hundreds – of times every day.

        • Anonymous

          When you get that to fit on a bumper sticker let me know.

          • Anonymous

            Don’t confuse Jaynie with the facts.

            • Anonymous

              I’m not the one who is “confused”. What’s comical about Cain is that so many conservatives have no problem admitting they are confused when it comes to his statements. Seriously. That’s the one word I’ve seen all over the place about Cain’s abortion comments. Everybody is confused. Too funny. The guy states flat out that he believes abortion is a personal decision and suddenly everybody is “confused”.

              Cain’s 999 plan is now 909 and that’s clear as can be. Riiiiight.

              Herman Cain is a disaster. An absolute disaster. Let’s hope he crashes and burns because if this guy gets the nomination this country is doomed.

          • Scott Cainiac

            It’s Time To Apply
            Cainsian Economics.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCDSHKJQASIKRJV4PZFPYJU2JA Anonymous

          Look at the projected corporate revenue compared to last years – there is a substantial increase. That cost will be passed on to consumers. You are speculating prices will decrease, what if they do not?

      • Scott Cainiac

        No. not stupid, just disingenuous. He is not seeking to alter local taxes, just local policies that are hampering the ability of people to succeed.

  • James Wilson

    NO!!!!

  • James Wilson

    No!!! Cain had a good plan with everyone paying the same thing. No longer.

    • Anonymous

      I’m curious how he’s going to spin this now that his plan isn’t revenue neutral anymore. Along with telling poor folks to buy used stuff, the revenue neutral thing was a big part of his spiel. He can’t say that now unless he was lying about it before.

      • http://twitter.com/metro_con metro_con

        You seem to be under the impression that these Zones are something Cain just now came up with, and that it changes the plan as originally proposed. It isn’t and it doesn’t.

        • Anonymous

          I was referring to his change from 9-9-9 to 9-0-9.

          • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

            Jaynie you have not read the scoring of the plan from September. The plan & the math included a carve out for the poor since the beginning so its revenue neutral.

            • Anonymous

              So 9-9-9 was never 9-9-9?

              OK. Hey, it was an obvious gimmick from the beginning so it shouldn’t surprise anyone that it will be “tweaked”.

              • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

                9-9-9 is a plan or whatever you wanted to be. Its a win for the country for we are talking taxes and not doing the same old thing. Can’t wait to hear Perry talk his flat tax proposal : )

                • Anonymous

                  I wanna hear them talk about spending. Cain fails that test, too, because he opposes eliminating anything. He wants to reform everything. I guess after he’s done taxing everything once.

                • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

                  LOL I’m guessing you have not heard of the 9-9-9 plan that eliminates the current tax code or starting from scratch on the EPA or the Chilean Model or the HR3400 for Healthcare. On spending he already said he is looking at 20% cut by allowing each dept to input on the 1st 10%. That’s a plan right?

                • Anonymous

                  Yeah, I’ve heard all that. Anyone who thinks the tax code will get thrown out is naive at best. Cain himself is already making so many exceptions to his own “simple” plan and is too dumb to realize he can’t call it 9-9-9 anymore. But that won’t stop him from calling it that.

                  He calls himself “100% pro-life” even though he is clearly pro-choice. Cain has no principles at all and he proves that every time he opens his mouth.

                  Whatever. Believe what you want.

                • Anonymous

                  And getting rid of the EPA and the Dept. of Education and others doesn’t cut back on spending as well?! You must have studied the NEW math.

                • http://twitter.com/Hozee2 Hozee

                  How much is that going to save?…1 trillion?…I doubt it.

                • Anonymous

                  Considering our current government can’t save 30 BILLION dollars, it’s quite a good start. Good as in 3300% or so better, if “ONLY a trillion.

                • Anonymous

                  Ron Paul is the candidate who said he wants to get rid of the EPA and dept of Ed. Herman Cain has said he will NOT eliminate any department. And no, I’m not a Paulnut. Ron Paul is an anti-American Jew hater and I’ll stay home before I vote for him.

                • http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac

                  Well I guess there’s a lot of naive people but throwing out the tax code is what got Mr. Cain to the lead of the polls, so I can conclude that’s what people really want to happen. It seems it always ends the same, put downs and name calling, oh well…

      • Anonymous

        Did you even listen to the speech at all? If you had, you might have noticed that, even with people below the poverty line paying nothing, the plan is STILL revenue neutral. The whole thing is on his website.

      • Scott Cainiac

        No, you and others got set up, because you jumped to conclusions, as you are doing right now. You have spent more time arguing against a plan that you never read, than it would of taken for you to read the plan in the first place.

    • http://twitter.com/metro_con metro_con

      I understand some of the initial apprehension towards the ‘Opportunity/Empowerment Zones’, but let’s be realistic here: Many of the people helped by these Zones won’t be paying taxes WITHOUT the Zones either, because *they don’t have jobs!*

      This is a method for getting jobs to people who don’t currently have them, much more than it is a method to give people who currently have jobs a ‘free ride.’ I can support this.

      In the long term this can begin to turn around some of the worst areas of the country and can perhaps snap many people out of the Democrat-voting, welfare-seeking mentality.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

      I disagree… 999 is just asking for politicians and lobbyists to tax us twice as much – on our paycheck AND our receipts.

    • Anonymous

      Guess you also weren’t listening, just like those other presidential wannabes.
      Go to to his website and read it. Right there in black and white, all along.
      His plan solves the regression problem and turns people from welfare recipients into taxpayers. Isn’t that what you want?

    • Scott Cainiac

      This was always part of the plan. Did you ever read the entire plan?

  • http://twitter.com/Praying4Cain Laura Ricketts

    I LOVE that Alveda King introduced him! She is AWESOME (and what a great silent message to the Pro-Life community!)

  • http://www.facebook.com/kingofthehokies Jim Land

    Laffer has been laughably bad at predictions.

    • Anonymous

      So is everyone else. But his economic theory has been demonstrated to be sound.

    • Anonymous

      Ever read Future Babble? (look it up)
      No one is good at predictions. In fact, almost all predictions are worthless.
      You would do better flipping a coin.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCDSHKJQASIKRJV4PZFPYJU2JA Anonymous

      Laffer was miserable at even discussing the housing bubble. He refused to even listen to an opposing opinion. But, now he is correct? A tax increase on the middle class without addressing spending is lunacy.

  • http://twitter.com/DJROM58 DJY

    Herman Cain, nice speech man! now, please keep it up. Thanks RS for uploading the video.

  • Brandy Carter

    I can see a crafty lawyer challenging this ‘empowerment zone’ with a violation of equal protection.

    • Anonymous

      That’s “Opportunity Zone”. Empowerment Zone is so last week. Or Tuesday. Whatever day was before the day someone told Herman the word empowerment sounded too liberal or something.

    • Anonymous

      And where is that lawyer today with the progressive tax system that is in place TODAY?

    • Anonymous

      These kinds of zones have been in places for decades. There’s no discrimination against any particular individuals. Everyone within the zone is treated equally.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

    I’ll vote for him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

    Good one!

  • http://twitter.com/Chris100358 Chris

    So now it’s a progressive tax structure – which is what we already have. Don’t BS us Herb, we are smarter than that. Maybe it’s time to say – “ya know there’s more to being president than I thought – I withdraw”. Can you say bored rich man?

    • Steven

      Everyone is a critic. Yesterday they were complaining it raises taxes on the poor. Today they complain it’s progressive? WTF?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EDTDTTD453P6VZKZJS3NFMFEEA Jus

      I’m sure Cain would have never guessed he’d be number 1 in the polls (albeit still a ways to go). Despite being number 1, it is highly improbable he will be the GOP candidate. There are a number of reasons as to why I believe this, the most obvious one though to me is race. You think there would be a presidential election where you had to choose between 2 black guys? I don’t think the GOP would let that happen.

      • Anonymous

        Let’s start out with the “I’m sure Cain…” comment. Are you clairvoyant? Next!

        Highly improbably, based on what? As I recall the Republicans have a long history of being pro black whereas the Democrats… let’s start with the KKK and end with the just recently passed away Byrd that was a KKK officer and democratic politician. Next!

        And finally I don’t think the GOP will let that happen remark. It’s up to the constituents not the officers of the party.

        Now go sit in a corner and meditate on all this.

    • Anonymous

      You either don’t understand his plan, or you don’t know what a “progressive” structure is.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ellis.baxter Ellis Baxter

    The opportunity to elect the first entrepreneurial president is now. I was thinking as you said Presidential and Lincoln, King and Reagan ! Those were the echos I heard in my thoughts. This is the path out of the darkness of payoffs and Wall Street Bankers, Union Thugs, and Unelected Bureaucrats! GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC !

  • Anonymous

    Remember with this man is 48 hours period .48 hours ago hes tax,tax,tax, plan if for everybody , now its for some people .Open your eyes RS ,THIS MAN ITS A FIASCO .

    • Anonymous

      Open your eyes. Whose better, Obama, Mitt, Perry? And save me the I’m not gonna settle crap. Because at the end of the day, a pile of turds is better than what we have today.

      • Anonymous

        At least you have talent for look for the worst candidates .Any of this ones include Mr Cain its in my list believe me .

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCDSHKJQASIKRJV4PZFPYJU2JA Anonymous

        Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate to specifically address government spending, personal liberties, and a sound dollar.

    • Anonymous

      Guess you weren’t listening, just like those other presidential wannabes.
      Go to to his website and read it. Right there in black and white, all along.
      His plan solves the regression problem and turns people from welfare recipients into taxpayers. Isn’t that what you want?

      • Anonymous

        I listening and read and see a candidated to want to run like a conservative , but hes first plan is a tax,tax,tax, plan and try to sell like a job plan . A candidate to everytime have a reasons (excuses) when somebody remember his past positions and the he already broke all the misspoke record in politic historic , why because hes not honest .

  • Anonymous

    Like so many here, I like and want to support this guy. But when he says at the beginning of his speech his definition of fairness is treating everyone the same and then just minutes later makes a special point of showing how some will be treated differently, it gets me wondering. I support te opportunity zones, just the obvious contradiction is striking. He still hasn’t convinced be that the new sales tax won’t give future congresses more opportunity for increased revenue. Also, the plan is supposed to be simple, yet there are deductions for capital investment ( how are they defined? ) and charity. Once there some exemptions others are sure to follow.

    About the middle “0”. If a person or family that makes below the poverty line pays no tax why would they want to make a few dollars more than the poverty line if it means paying income tax on all their earnings. The alternative would be – and would treat everybody fairly – no one pays income tax on the first x amount of dollars made that year. He has to clarify.

    All that said, I would overlook a lot because Herman Cain is a well sharpened dagger in the heart of the the grievance industry, and the Left in general. I really don’t think our side realises how significant that is. If he gets just a third of black and hispanic people that are not conservative to rethink, the Democrat party could be in shambles

    • Anonymous

      I think you have to realize what he is doing here. If Cain manages to sell this plan in places like Detroit, and then implement it as President, he will drive a stake through the heart of the Left in America. Can you imagine places like Detroit getting rid of teacher’s unions and minimum wage laws, onerous zoning laws, implementing right to work, and then THRIVING as never before? Once you break the lock that the Democratic Party and the unions have on poor minorities in the inner cities (and rural and suburban areas as well), that’s the end of the Left in America. Their electoral coalition would be dead for a generation, left with just a few dirty hippies and fringe freaks on the coasts.

  • Anonymous

    I find it amazing how many so called Conservatives/Republicans are in love with the current tax code. All of you criticizing 9-9-9 + OZ’s should be ashamed of yourselves. It ain’t perfect because their ain’t no perfect with taxation. It is light-years better than the monstrosity of evil that exists today.

    Herman Cain for president, 2012. I’m all in.

    BS
    DTOM

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

      I’m amazed at how many conservatives are in support of this! Reagan did well to simply the income tax in the 80’s… but look at how much it’s been gamed over the past 20+ years!!! 999 gives us both an income AND sales tax… just imagine how much both those systems will be gamed when lobbyists get their hands on them. We’ll be paying taxes on our paychecks and our receipts.

      We can’t be introducing new forms of taxation… we need to work toward paying off our debt and then work toward a zero tax rate like we had more than 100 years ago.

  • http://twitter.com/Super_Sachiko Jasmine Clark

    PLEASE everyone, sign the petition to ask sarah palin to change her mind and RUN. please sign and spread it around: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/runsarahrun/

    i feel like, if sarah doesn’t run, romney will be the nominee.

    when palin said “no” i decided to support cain, i’ve always liked him. but lately i am losing hope in him because he doesn’t explain things well. he’s had trouble explaning this plan and now it looks like he’s being inconsistent. it’s 999 and 909 now, what’s the next number? starting to become confusing. and his talk ob abortion confused me too. i think i understand his position and i do believe he’s pro-life but he did a really bad job of explaining it. he has no political experience, which means he’s never won an election. he means well but he has no idea what he’s doing.

    perry made several mistakes and his poll numbers dropped quickly. he could have been the anti-romney but he doesn’t seem like he can beat romney. same with bachmann, she started out okay but lost support after she made too many mistakes, and her campaign isn’t doing too well.

    i like gingrich’s TALK but can i really TRUST him? i feel hesistant to support him.

    i’m afraid of romney winning the nomination but i don’t see how these others can beat him. i think sarah would have a good shot at defeating romney (and then obama of course… romney would lose to obama because he’s not too different from obama, he’s liberal-lite). at least sarah has political experience, is definitely a strong conservative, she’s smart if you listen to her interiews and look at some of her fb notes… she speaks her mind and she’s honest… she could be the anti-romney we need. we need another choice in this lackluster field.

    petition signups have increased ever since the debate…

    • Anonymous

      I really, really wanted her to run. I was prepared to send the maximum contribution.

      But I’m going to respect her choice and move on.

      Cain explains things better than most politicians you’ll ever hear, so I don’t think you need to worry about that. There’s a reason he’s stayed in this race this long, and keeps moving up, and his clarity on things is part of that reason.

  • Anonymous

    Cain is the ONLY voice with a plan with any details at all. That it’s not perfect is not such a surprise; the problem is huge. Any plan will have it’s supporters and detractors, but the majority like what they hear.

    It’s called a starting point. A line in the sand to fix this mess before we’re completely flushed down the bowl. We’re already getting dizzy spinning in it.

    • http://twitter.com/Hozee2 Hozee

      LMAO…Paul’s plan actually does something besides just fund the government at the levels we have now. People hear “you won’t have to pay as much”. If we cut government we won’t either and we get the benefit of getting them out of our lives. People supporting Cain crack me up. Supporters of big government calling themselves conservatives lol

      • Anonymous

        Oh, you’re a PaulBot. Never mind. I don’t drink that Koolaide.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

          Do you like being called a teabagger or racist? Please don’t resort to name calling. We’re all conservatives for crying out loud.

          You may not agree with Paul’s foreign policy, but at least give the man credit for his economic stances. He’s the only candidate up there that predicted this recession and the burst of the housing bubble. He’s also the only one that was against the bailouts.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCDSHKJQASIKRJV4PZFPYJU2JA Anonymous

            Ron Paul has given the BOLD plan — reduce Federal spending! If Cain’s plan is revenue neutral, as they claim — the NEXT question is when and where do we cut?

  • http://twitter.com/Hozee2 Hozee

    I’m supposed to be happy because we are playing games with a new way to fund an out of control spending government? I’m tea party and when did we lose the #1 core value of cutting back the size and scope of the government? I don’t see anything in Cains proposals or his talk that says he is going to do it. All I hear is “this is a new way to bring in the same amount of money to feed the monster”. No Thanks.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

      I’m so glad I’m not the only one thinking this!

  • Anonymous

    I’m wondering why Cain couldn’t get a larger audience in Detroit. I know Detroit is the plaything of the hard left, but I bet Mayor Bing would have welcomed Herman Cain, as well as many leaders in the area. Especially with Dr. Alveda King coming,too.

    I only found one story with a photo, and it claimed only about 50 or so folks were in attendance.

    • Anonymous

      I like Mr. Cain also, but, I don’t agree on 909. The whole idea of the “flat tax” is vetted in “EVERYONE” pays an equal share. I don’t care if your “poor”, you should pay your “FAIR” share!

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

        I don’t like the idea of introducing a new form of taxation (sales tax) without first getting rid of the existing form (income tax). Reagan did well to simplify the income tax in the 80’s… but look at how much it’s been gamed in the 20+ years since. We shouldn’t give DC permission to do this to us again on both our income and consumption! It’s moves like this that gave us the income tax in the first place 100 years ago.

        • Anonymous

          I agree, what I heard in the very first dabate, sorry, can’t remember exactly when that one was, Mr. Cain said he would include in the legislation that it would take a super majority to change the tax rate. I also believe he has said that 999 would abolish the current tax code. Now, of course, that will depend on what the outcome of the Congressional elections are as to it being passed or not, we all know how this beauracracy works.

          • Anonymous

            And, if you actually watched this video, it explains exactly the points I mentioned above. Watch and learn.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

            Still, all it would take is that super majority to make it just as gamable as today’s tax code… and remember how close liberals were to a super majority just a short time ago. AND it would also take a super majority to lower the tax rate.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t mind a “new” form if it replaces thousands of what Mr. Cain calls “sneakataxes”.

          With one exception: National Sales Tax. NST is a bad idea because in the western psyche, “Sales Tax” is a given. It’s accepted as permanent, and no one seems to complain about it. It never goes down. It taxes everything at multiple points, and it frequently leads to VAT schemes.

          Income tax, on the other hand, has a history of fluctuation. It’s a lot easier to bargain over one form of tax–politically–than multiple ones.

          However, I can live with an NST if it’s put in the Constitution, is set to something between .5% and 2%, and cannot be changed by Congress.

          All the other items in Cain’s plan are reasonable, and should be discussed. But only after Obamacare is safely and totally repealed, and Corporate taxes are lowered permanently (under the current plan).

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

            Its dangerous… because the plan is revenue neutral, all those “sneakataxes” would be made up for with the sales tax. Plus the new taxes would be harder to reduce because of it requiring a super majority.

            • Anonymous

              All they have to do to bypass the supermajority rule is repeal the supermajority requirement and do whatever they like. They cannot bind a future Congress.

  • Mark Spencer

    Wow -what a great speech from the next president !

  • Anonymous

    I’m now leaning toward Cain. Thanks for defending your 9-9-9 plan to the attacks. I hope it will stand up to the barrage.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCDSHKJQASIKRJV4PZFPYJU2JA Anonymous

      9-9-9 increases taxes on the middle America. Look at the “Restore America” Plan and see specifics that address the #1 concern — deficit spending. How many were elected in 2010 saying, “Washington doesn’t have a revenue problem, DC has a SPENDING problem?” If his plan is revenue neutral, were still running $1 trillion deficits, aren’t we?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001325363936 Alex Scarborough

    Folks – I am in. 999 or 909, I am in. Which ever is better than what we have. It is honest. No one knows how much they pay now, the packaging is so deceptive, they don’t know what they pay, but they know how much they got back in their #!%# refund! The 10,000,000 words of tax law is full of deception, We will not know all that we turn loose when that is eleminated.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

      No no no… adding a new form of taxation (sales tax) doesn’t solve anything. If anything it will give lobbyists and politicans permission to game 2 systems of taxation on us… our paychecks AND our receipts.

      Remember, Reagan did well to simplify the income tax in the 80’s… but look at how much it’s been gamed in the 20+ years since. We shouldn’t give DC permission to do this to us again on both our income and consumption!

      We need a candidate with a plan to drastically cut spending!

      • Anonymous

        They all say they’re gonna cut spending.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6OHPEHB4CY3X6GEGFS63DAC6MI TannerE

          It’s easy to cut a few million from the budget and say you’ve accomplished your goal of cutting spending… they need to come up with an actual plan. And only one of them has come up with a plan for major cuts and to balance the budget. They should all have plans like that!

          • Anonymous

            That’s a good point. Why bother to run if you don’t have things like that figured out?

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YCDSHKJQASIKRJV4PZFPYJU2JA Anonymous

          Ron Paul put out a plan that addresses your concern – deficit spending which acts like a tax. Also, he tackles inflationary tax created by the Fed printing huge amounts of dollars. Spending is the issue. Also, 9-9-9 redistributes the tax burden onto the middle class substantially. Corporations will see a huge increase in tax (look at the numbers in the projections) — that cost will be passed on to the consumer. The rhetoric that demand will increase is misleading.

  • Anonymous

    I know I’ve said it ad nauseum, but gosh I love his voice!

  • Scott Cainiac

    Go down about 60 posts or so and I will give you the right context in which to use the word correctly.

  • Scott Cainiac

    You still are not understanding that this was a slow leak strategy to ensure that the general public would see you and those like you as the knee jerk reactionaries, without a shred of credibility that you are; the fact that you still don’t get it and are doubling down only reinforces that view. I would feel bad for you, but you are dishonest and disparaging about a man whose shoes, you are not fit to shine. *THAT is correct usage of the term disparaging.

  • Anonymous

    There one issue I see that could be a problem:

    Capital gains tax is eliminated and the corporate income tax is 9%
    The problem I have is that Corporations Don’t Pay Taxes! They pass on the tax to u and me by raising the price of their products, not giving employees raises, laying off employees, not hiring, not paying or reducing their dividends to share holders, and if the corporate tax is to high they will move out of the country. A small corporation can not do all I just describe. They just will not be as competitive with higher wages lower prices etc, as the big corporations can.

    Capital Gains tax is also how billionaires make their money because they do not pay the pay role tax. The democrats will butcher the hell out of this weakness.

    I like to see the 9% corporate tax eliminated and shift to a 9% capital gains tax. Than the 999 plan will be solid!!!!

    Otherwise People like me will sell their business and get in the stock market or the real estate market where their is no tax on income!

    I’m voting Herman Cain even if he does not make these changes I suggested. The 999 plan is to good to pass up.

    I wonder if RIGHTSCOOP or someone on this blog can get an answer from the Cain camp. I try calling all the #s I can find and I just get the voice mail.

    Cain 2012!!!

    • Anonymous

      I just don’t understand how one man with a tax plan can capture the imagination of a people who are on the verge of losing everything precious–their their nation, their culture and their liberty.

      Do you really think that Herman Cain can handle the problems Obama has generated? Obama was a Constitutional scholar. He has made in-roads into the very guts of the bureaucracies and the policies of this nation that we will not discover for years.

      Unlike Herman who plans to appoint “wise-counsel,” Obama appointed obedient-counsel. I’m not saying the Obama is like Hitler, but, as a socialist, Hitler was a master of selecting the right man to lead every bureaucracy, no matter how small or insignificant. He selected the perfect person who would use that agency to further the cause of the leader at any cost.

      Hitler was probably the greatest micro-manager who ever lived and beside him, Obama’s micro-style pales.

      The enthusiasm for CAIN reminds me of the enthusiasm for Jimmy Carter following the Watergate years. Her was a Washington DC outsider, a simple man with a simple plan. He was an ex-nuclear sub captain and he mis-spoke frequently.

      Does anyone think that a 999 plan can undo what has been done to us by the progressives over the last 100 years?

      Please be patient. Let the candidate come to you. If we are not careful and vigilant, we all make the same mistake the BUSH-hating independent voters made in 2008 and elect precisely the wrong man.

    • Anonymous

      Capital gains should not be taxed. At all.

      I can see having some corporate taxes, since that moves the money into the coffers faster than waiting for consumers to pay it all in. As long as the rates are low, I don’t mind it. I know we’re paying for it, just like we would if there were no corp. taxes at all, so it’s a wash.

      The point is to keep it low, and make it hard to change.

  • Dale Noyse

    I support Herman Cain, and I hope you will too, this is our chance to reclaim the American spirit, freedom and the American Dream, support Herman Cain 2012, our next President of these United States of America.

  • johnnyred51

    Wasn’t it Daddy Bush who said “Read my lips. No new taxes.” Thats the main reason he lost the election. By the same token anyone who tries to raise the NST would be exposed to the public’s outcry.

  • Anonymous

    i am not fan of repealing the 16th amendment right now…this will create too much uncertainty in the market…i would rather have the current tax system with an opt out to flat tax…then over time repeal the 16th amendment or atleast wait until the economy rebounds before repealing

    • Anonymous

      The 16th amendment is to give power to congress to tax us individually. The uncertainty in the market today is how and how much the government we tax us. So, if the you repeal 16th amendment it will take away uncertainty. Individuals will be left free and that is what we what!

      • Anonymous

        true…but the fight to repeal the 16th amendment creates the uncertainty…i don’t think this is time to have that fight

    • Anonymous

      I sort of agree. I want instant action on Corporate taxes, Capital gains, and Death taxes, under the current structure. That has to happen NOW to get the economy rolling.

      But I would still like to see them get busy on reform of the whole tax system, just as soon as they get past that, but only AFTER repealing Obamacare.

      We can do more than one thing at a time.

  • Anonymous

    If this man becomes the only candidate against Obama, we are in very deep trouble. If he wins, our troubles will be even deeper.

    How is it again that 9-9-9- pays off the trillions of dollars in debt? Just happens magically? What is it about 999 that defeats the Islamist terrorists? Again, how does 999 seal the borders and what was it that 999 has to do with the Muslim Brotherhood threat in Northern Africa?

    999 is just an idea. How will Herman, a man who is admittedly a Washington DC outsider,sell his idea to Congress? A Congress, which is made up of over 600 professional politician, over 600 Washington insiders? And what happens to 9-9-9 when Herman leaves office?

    All this excitement reminds me of when Scott Brown suddenly surged in the Massachusetts polls. Before he was even selected and before he was outed as the RINO that he is, Tea Party and Conservatives everywhere were considering Scott Brown for President. Do you remember that? Later, we had the same excitement about Christie !?!?!?!

    Elections are not like Christmas. They are ugly and most of the time you need to hold your nose with one hand while you vote with the other.

    There ain’t no Santa Claus out there and Jesus Christ isn’t scheduled to return for a couple of more years. Settle down every one. Look at the “man-as-he is.” Try not to let the “man-we’d-like-to-see” image slip between you and the actual candidate.

    • Anonymous

      I get your point. The problem is, none of the other candidates meet your list of questions nearly as well as Cain. At least, none that seem to be getting anywhere.

      • Anonymous

        I just don’t feature and ex-CEO of Godfather Pizza taking on the Iranians. Even Obama has some history with muslims. What will Herman substitute for experience in foreign policy? Will he seek wise counsel? Will he appoint a czar of mis-speaking? Time is running out ya’ll.

        Is there anyone who will press the issues on this man? Can you not see that the Left and the Democrats are drooling over the possibility of running Obama against Cain? Are you all numb?

        • Anonymous

          Obama had zero experience with the Iranians. He wanted to pull out of Iraq with a timetable, he messed up our only good chance to assist Iranian dissidents overthrow the regime, he gave away a great bargaining chip in regards to missle defence with the Soviets. Cain couldn’t be worse- plus he likes John Bolton!!

        • Anonymous

          I don’t have any idea why you think Cain can’t talk to The Iranians. He isn’t maintaining his position in the polls because he isn’t clear on things. He’s quite clear, most of the time. That’s why people like him.

          I have a hard time seeing Romney dealing with the Iranians, when it comes to that. Perry would make the right decisions about Iran, but he clearly struggles to talk to anyone.

          As to the left’s drooling, if it’s over Cain, then that’s totally hilarious. Cain doesn’t stutter, for one. He understands economics, for two. The SCOAMF would never survive a debate with Cain. Not even close.

  • http://profiles.google.com/nlje824 Nancy Engledow

    I am sure that Mr Cain has thoughtfully considered the approach to poverty. Poverty is not a way of life and is not permanent. It is a sad period of time when American citizens have lost employment. When the 999 plan is passed, there will be jobs…and those that have had a temporary setback will be able to rise out of the poverty level…to hold their heads high and say…President Cain turned our country around. The once despirate situation that past Presidents have placed them in will be no longer. We are a nation of proud people. We do not want the government to permanently take care of us. We are strong..we want to be self sufficient…we want to rise again to be a thriving and economically powerful nation….The United States of America!!!!
    Note: I am a supporter of Mr Herman Cain for POTUS!!!!! During the past three years, I too have been at one of the lowest places in life…in poverty. During that time I did not quit…I have continued to move forward with the utmost determination…and because of this….I am now coming out of this situation…pulling myself out… little by little….without assistance. I have worked every job possible and I will never ever giving up!!! You will get out of life what you put into it. Without self-effort…you will simply have a life of existance. With self-effort…your life will include quality!!!

  • http://profiles.google.com/nlje824 Nancy Engledow

    I am sure that Mr Cain has thoughtfully considered the approach to poverty. Poverty is not a way of life and is not permanent. It is a sad period of time when American citizens have lost employment. When the 999 plan is passed, there will be jobs…and those that have had a temporary setback will be able to rise out of the poverty level…to hold their heads high and say…President Cain turned our country around. The once despirate situation that past Presidents have placed them in will be no longer. We are a nation of proud people. We do not want the government to permanently take care of us. We are strong..we want to be self sufficient…we want to rise again to be a thriving and economically powerful nation….The United States of America!!!!
    Note: I am a supporter of Mr Herman Cain for POTUS!!!!! During the past three years, I too have been at one of the lowest places in life…in poverty. During that time I did not quit…I have continued to move forward with the utmost determination…and because of this….I am now coming out of this situation…pulling myself out… little by little….without assistance. I have worked every job possible and I will never ever giving up!!! You will get out of life what you put into it. Without self-effort…you will simply have a life of existance. With self-effort…your life will include quality!!!

  • http://profiles.google.com/nlje824 Nancy Engledow

    I am sure that Mr Cain has thoughtfully considered the approach to poverty. Poverty is not a way of life and is not permanent. It is a sad period of time when American citizens have lost employment. When the 999 plan is passed, there will be jobs…and those that have had a temporary setback will be able to rise out of the poverty level…to hold their heads high and say…President Cain turned our country around. The once despirate situation that past Presidents have placed them in will be no longer. We are a nation of proud people. We do not want the government to permanently take care of us. We are strong..we want to be self sufficient…we want to rise again to be a thriving and economically powerful nation….The United States of America!!!!
    Note: I am a supporter of Mr Herman Cain for POTUS!!!!! During the past three years, I too have been at one of the lowest places in life…in poverty. During that time I did not quit…I have continued to move forward with the utmost determination…and because of this….I am now coming out of this situation…pulling myself out… little by little….without assistance. I have worked every job possible and I will never ever giving up!!! You will get out of life what you put into it. Without self-effort…you will simply have a life of existance. With self-effort…your life will include quality!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SBPGFV2RGNNFK6TWL77JJC4XGM TERESA

    Are we really going along with this,zones,most of the people in those so called zones do not want to work or change they are looking for hand outs and with this they will get another one.Again the people that work will pay for them to sit home and draw checks.If they want help find a way to get them in school or find them a job! I have had to work 2 jobs most of my life.If you want to work you will.On the other hand i know in these times there are alot of people out of work that have worked all thier life,if you want to help someone help them.They will be productive later.As they say you cant keep making the same mistakes and have a different outcome,this is just more handouts with the same outcome.