This man is a traitor! The remarks he is making and teaching to others are a threat to our national security. To compare the Pilgrims to today's illegal border jumpers is idiotic!
They are for sure going to give them amnesty and subsequently they will get all that free stuff from us who are citizens of this country who pay taxes and obey the law. After they grant amnesty to these cockroaches they should make any further non conformance a felony. Then you can do a citizens arrest. You can arrest anyone if you see a felony act in progress. I would gladly get a bag of zip ties and start cuffing these people up.
Before anyone gets offended and thinks for a minute that I'm racist because you think I was only talking about Mexicans. ANYONE here illegally is a cockroach in my opinion.
This is secular religion. Apparently, governmental professional development is staffed by secular pastors, and job training is spiritual formation in this secular religion.
I was once forced to sit through 2 days of mandatory "Diversity Training" when I worked for a very large record company about 10 years ago. It was just like this. The total goal of the "instructors" was to convince everyone how evil and prejudiced every white male is, and how they don't even know it. They presented a video case study that followed a white guy that didn't have a prejudiced bone in his body, and they pummeled him for days with meetings, one-on-one encounters with race baiters, and "therapy" until he admitted that he didn't realize that he HAD to be prejudiced because of the unfair advantages he received and how it was drilled into his head since he was young that he was better than non-whites because of social queues like commercials and movies etc. Then they had a kumbya moment and cried together while pledging to work together to convince others of the same garbage.
It left such a bad taste in my mouth that it still bothers me 10 years later.
Listen pr_ck, this wasn't even a country when the Pilgrims landed. Nor was it a country when my ancestors on my father's side landed here. Your thesis is relativist tripe. Thank the black man? WTF? What's your game anyways? I didn't mention my mother's side of our genetic line. The black man, the brown man and whitey all were the equal enemies of my people. So what am I suppose to thank you for? How about nothing...dumba$$. We were were here long before you were. But I'll say one thing for those white dudes in powdered wigs that gave us this government. They took a land of tribal, warring peoples and untited this entire land called the US, under the finest form of government ever devised by humans. And now fatheads like you want to divide us again by race, class and gender. Good thing this ain't the old days old fart. If it were you might find your useless a$$ hanging upside down over a slow-burning camp fire while we test your mettle by sticking burning sticks on your flesh until you die.
Actually Infidel, I saw something on the History Channel last year that says they have found European artifacts on the Eastern Seaboard that date back 10,000 years. It appears whites got here thousands of years before the Asians. The Asians would have been crossing the Bering Strait at about the time the white guys were landing in VA.
It is believed they came over during the last Ice Age and followed the edge of the ice hunting.
That depends on whether or not you buy into the accuracy of carbon dating. I don't. Its a known fact that American Indians were here as far back as 6,000 years ago and witnessed the eruption of the Caldera in Yellowstone. That's how far back their "oral" history goes. Its also a known fact (at least to me) that there was a Viking settlement in North America during the medieval warming period around 900AD. The Red man was here first possibly migrating from Asia when the earth was much warmer than it is now in the poles.
Typical liberals. This is just more evidence of Obamas regime quest to Third World this nation. They wont fight him. They don't fight for themselves in their own country. I remember once on the news I saw a legal immigrant from Mexico who has been here for three decades say, "Why didn't they work hard and protest their OWN government like they are trying to here?" Couldn't say it any better.
The pilgrims weren't illegal immigrants. How could they be thought of like that when they didn't break any laws. There were no laws to break.
This is about as un-American as one can get.
But the regime of the Obamessiah will continue to peddle this nonsense as the truth.
Just wait until they start re-writing the history textbooks.
The founders were illegal aliens?
The illegal aliens that come from Latin America and the American Indian were illegal aliens when they first came here by walking over the Bering Sea land bridge.
We need not discuss historical facts because it diminishes the the agenda.
More liberal marxist claptrap dribble from political morons and other such useful Obamacrat idiots, where the absurd, sublime, irrational, illogical, and delusional are being paraded as having some sort of credibility of argument, ie; the making of insanity into the sane.
Pilgrims arrive on a continent that was inhabited by native indigenous people, but not of a nation country of laws where an established govt structured system of society was in place.
Thus, in conjunction with their illogical absurd hypothesis, would these liberal moronic imbecilic parasites from Obama on down, believe and say that the Spanish should be derided and proclaimed illegal aliens as well, for they arrive after Columbus discover America (an American/European view of a new World), in which Cortez and his band of conquistadores from the 16th century, (long before the American Pilgrims arrived in North America), raped, pillaged, burned, tortured, and looted the native indigenous people- Aztecs, Incas, etc., of South America to Southern North America for centuries, be considered illegal aliens.
They won't mention anything of this truth, for they are completely politically motivated in their agenda, in all the absurd moronic nonsensical asinine diatribe dribble they spew.
Man, I'm totally surprised by this. I mean, more get Whitey rhetoric from the Obama administration? Who would have thunk it?
Except that the nation prior to our coming here was unfounded. It was simply "inhabited", and our devising a system of Government did NOT "exclude" the natives (by definition, anyways).
But illegal aliens TODAY are most definitely INVADING a predefined, already created system of Government and Laws...OUR nation...AMERICA.
If we're going to use the standard that a few people living on a land-mass precludes anyone else setting up a Government, then Mexico is also illegal, as is Canada and every other nation on this planet...
This is all part of the narrative and agenda.
An interesting read is a decades old report by Robert P. Hillmann Reinventing Government. In in we can see just how long the "New World Order" has been in the works and how complete it can be hidden in plain sight by deriding anyone who points it out, as a fruitcake.
Chicagoland has long been its operations center. World War 1, the Great Depression and World War 2, all provided the "crises" needed for major irreversible leaps. Each time the UNited States was both engine and the brakes.
It is rather short and available on line here
Reinventing Government: Fast Bullets and Culture Changes
There would be three main regional systems, a United States of Europe (also referred to as a European Union), a Pan-American union consisting of North and South America, and an Asian system. The Soviet Union, while it would be a member of the global system, was not to be part of any of the continental systems.http://sovereignty.net/p/gov/hillmann-book2.html
A Review of the book by Henry Lamb is here:
Systematic and deliberate efforts to rewrite history books to promote a global agenda have been underway for more than a half-century, according to Hillmann's findings.
Recent efforts at history revision include removing reference to great American Heroes, such as Jefferson and Lincoln, and instead, discussing the contributions of such heroes as Rachel Carson and Jane Goodal. Events such as the Boston Tea Party are being removed, and events such as the Greenpeace protests of nuclear power plants discussed.
Hillmann brings the enlightenment through the Clinton/Gore administration, with their "sustainable" agenda, and into the Bush administration. His work does more to remove the shroud of mystery around U.N. influence than any other work of its kind.
I think I started becoming more politically interested back when I heard Bush (41) utter the phrase New World Order. I wasn't very partisan in those days, but I was becoming sick of the Dems, thanks to Ted Kennedy and a few other sickeing individuals. So I started buying off on much of what Reagan had done, and read Atlas Shrugged.
Imagine my dismay, then, at hearing Bush use that phrase. This started my interest in Libertarian philosophy, and the philosophy of the founders. So we can thank the Bush family for bringing us uncomfortably close to the concepts you detailed.
There's a thing I hear a lot on the lips of leftists and many Republicans: Service.
We all know the fascist roots of some folks' idea of "service." But the Bush clan, and Lindsey Graham, and John McCain, and several others, all believe in some idealized form of "public service." Which sets them up as saps (useful idiots) for the left's more Orwellian designs. Like Charlie Brown and the football, they sucker so easily it's pathetic.
We have to cut these people loose.
This is why there is not a whit of substantial difference between a elephant and a donkey.
This is why a Constitutional leader or patriot is isolated and eliminated bu both parties and the media.
This is why debt, money printing and amnesty for illegal migration is being used to hollow out our sovereignty.
Your perception is most refreshing !! If I may, is that an icon of Mojo Jojo next to your callsign by any chance ???
SPARTAN COVER...MOST XLNT !!! I`ll sleep better knowin` we`re on the same team and share the same philosophy !!!!
uhhh, no! I had to look that one up.
But since you brought it up, here's some related images.
Sigh, I tried my best to get Miss Lindsey out in the primaries, but only 20% of registered voted bothered to get off their behinds to go vote. Most people I know can't stand him.
How is this even allowed?? The Natives in the America's weren't even civilized back in those days let alone had any laws.
My grandparents were LEGAL aliens. They had to go through 'inspection' on Ellis Island, not knowing if just one man had the power to ruin their dreams. They were the 'Micks' (Irish), 'Wops' (Italians) and 'Frogs' (French) living in the slums of early 20th century New York. Nobody was 'sensitive' to them, in fact, just the opposite. They took the menial jobs available to them. They didn't get food stamps, free phones, welfare or any of the 'Perks' available to the 'poor, down trodden' Illegals of today, yet they were happy to learn the language of their new home and to become Americans, not 'hyphenated-Americans'. What's going on today is pure bulls*^t.
Both my maternal and paternal grandparents came to the USA at the turn of the 20th century, fleeing the pogroms against Jews in eastern europe. They too went through Ellis Island and became legal immigrants. They taught their children, my parents generation, English (& hebrew for prayer) and became American. They wanted to be Americans and integrate into American society.
similar story with my immigrant parents and grandparents who came through Ellis with nothing but a suitcase and strong back. Only back breaking work and eduction in English got them out of our 2 room Brooklyn walkup. Sensitivity? Sh't it was survival. Everyday I count my blessings and good fortune that they did this for me and for the greatest nation they could have chosen.
I am so sick and tired of this garbage. These whiny pathetic people would not have lasted the day in my Brooklyn neighborhood. I spit on this creep and these illegals he brings to America to destroy her.
I was born in St. Mary's Hospital Brooklyn, 2 months after the end of WW2. ;-)
Back then, it was a 'melting pot' (where different elements became one).
Sadly today, it's little more than a graffiti covered, entitlement ridden, battle zone. A 'poster city' for 'the social equality' that the liberals have in mind for all. :-(
Clapping over here sDee! I had it easier once here, but I can sure understand the dedication and hard work to come!!!
Um... there was no sovereign America when our founding fathers arrived. They were settlers. They were pilgrims. To the native American Indians, they may have been invaders (I mean no disrespect). But it is beyond absurd to imply they were "illegal aliens". There were no borders back then. There were no laws back then. What a foolish thing to imply.
I wouldn't even bother trying to give a rational argument, it's just liberalism gone a muck. They hate this country and everything it stands for.
We need to inform these idiots that they are now finding European artifacts on the Eastern seaboard that shows WHITES got here thousands of years before the "Native Americans" got here.
Scientists think they followed the glacier line across the Atlantic and landed around VA. about the time the "Native Americans" were coming across the Great Bering Strait. They aren't sure if they just died out naturally, co-mingled with the "Native Americans" as they moved West and the "Natives" moved East, or if the "Natives" killed them off.
So hey, whitey got here first!
Man, Sober. That is delicate territory for one to venture into. There may have been no borders, but it was their land, and we simply took it from them. Hard to put the face of dignity on that one.
The concept of land ownership was totally foreign to the tribes here. To most tribes, the land was simply the land. They had cities, laws, and councils, but they still lived ON the land, rather than use the land itself as a means of major production. They recognized territory, but not borders.
As for the "simply took it" concept, people forget that two major events happened that were unique. 1) The massive die-off of the natives here due to waves of disease that are typically correlated to the arrival of more people from Europe, and 2) several centuries of settlement that gradually displaced the natives.
It wasn't like the left loves to paint it: a holdup, and mass deportations and murder. That's fiction. We have a similar thing happening now with the increase of "latino" populations and muslim populations in North America. They didn't come here and take the land at the point of the gun, but their demographic dynamism is simply displacing the dominant culture. Ted Kennedy and company increased the speed of this displacement greatly by suckering the Republicans to allow chain migration (another example of the language of the left dominating the issues). Anchor babies and chain migration are accelerants. Bush(43)'s stupid proposals of amnesty back in the early 2000's was another MAJOR accelerant in illegal entry.
(Ironically, the only thing slowing and slightly reversing the illegal entry problem has been Barack's purposeful economic destruction)
So it isn't a matter of "dignity" as much as demographics. There were millions of European settlers who peacefully co-existed with natives here for several generations.
As a final point, we also have to remember to resist the lure of "modernism," in analyzing these issues. The Europeans weren't some gang of criminals who descended on the continent like Genghis Kahn's Golden Horde. They were, exactly as are the latinos (and others) coming here today, individuals, making difficult decisions. Some individuals are exploiters, like Rahm Immanuel. It's one human type. Some were criminals evading the law. But I have to believe that the vast majority were just "people." Imperfect, but mostly decent, hard-working people. It's not fair at all to look back on their decisions in light of modern sensibilities and issues.
In fact, it's much wiser to assume that most people; whether the natives who were here before the Europeans came, or the European settlers, or the Africans brought here, or the latinos coming here today; most of them were, or are, in fact, decent.
(Sorry for going into pedant mode.)
Same here! After we set this ship right, then we can get down to proper arguing and even some good, old-fashioned nit-picking (like the long-simmering debate about longbows versus crossbows).
You remain a person I hold in great admiration. I look forward to many future conversations with you.
I think we'll have to defer this discussion. Thanks for the kind words, by the way.
All I can say right now is that I don't think we disagree as much as you might think. I am completely uninterested in diminishing the bad behavior of the few people who acted badly in any phase of history, ever. All I'm trying to do is remind people that these events did not happen in a few short years. "Indians" didn't go to bed one night, and wake up the next suddenly in reservations. Further, culture clashes are not a fight between two, monolithic entities. But people cannot resist the siren call of putting entire populations of people into two camps, and treating them like single organisms with a mind of their own. It's a normal human thing to do, and is really difficult to overcome when trying to work in philosophy and ultimately therefore, policy.
So I'm not advocating on behalf of the Europeans who came here in the 1600's. I'm simply reminding people that history is always more complex than almost any advocate will ever portray it, including many highly regarded historians: it's that difficult.
Thank you for giving us a broader perspective on the conversation, K-Bob. I'm always glad when you do that. It is refreshing, in that it gives each of us a reason to look more closely at the details. There is something of the teacher, within you. It is one of the things I admire most, about you. I would trust you with my children.
Having said that, we don't always agree on everything. But what we don't agree on, amounts to almost nothing. Because we don't disagree on very much, really.
Time constraints being what they are, this is probably the only comment I will make tonight, so I want to get it right, so their is no misunderstanding.
The fact that land ownership was totally foreign to the native Indians, in the context or real ownership of the land, did not mean they did not have the right to consider the land they lived on, as belonging to them.
It is true what you say. There were no real borders. Ownership of the land they lived on, would not be something their brain would accept. They thought the land was sacred. That if belonged to no one, and everyone, at the same time. Actually, they believed it belonged to future generations. Not a bad idea, when you consider it.
But they were here when we came. They occupied the space we wanted. They could have easily killed every one of the settlers who arrived on these shores, but they didn't. They befriended us, instead.
Our way of repaying them, was to invade their land, take away their Freedom, and change their way of life forever. Manifest Destiny. Two words that could easily have come from the mouth of a modern day Liberal.
"It wasn't like the left loves to paint it: a holdup, and mass deportations and murder." Really? You might want to ask a few Historians about that. Maybe a few Indians who survived that American Holocaust, while you're at it.
Actually, we did murder them. We burned their villages, We killed their women and children. Not because we thought they were savages, but because they were in our way.
What we did to the Indians, probably represents the ugliest period in our history.
Whatever it was, it wasn't fiction. Ask any Indian who survived it.
"So it isn't a matter of "dignity" as much as demographics."
I think I see your point. They have the land, and we need the land, so we somehow have to get them out of the way. Demographics. Makes perfect sense.
The next time I see a really nice house in an upscale neighborhood that I would like to live in, all I have to do, is somehow get the current resident out of that house that I so desire. Because that particular place is where I want to live. Demographics. Manifest Destiny.
Makes perfect sense.
I hope you specifically mean illegal aliens. I did not single them out in my comments. Even if you subtract ALL illegal aliens (I wish), we still have a huge wave of legal immigration from south of the US border, including many places besides Mexico.
Further, chain migration immigrants and anchor babies born to illegals are clearly not lawbreakers. Only the original illegals did that. So I would definitely not label those secondary groups "bad people." Just the illegals.
We must end chain migration and anchor baby policy, though. We'd be required to continue the citizenship of those currently here via that process, but the original lawbreakers should go home, period. They can re-apply, but should not be given preference because they have family here. If anything, they should all get in line behind all other applicants who never broke US law.
One way we could get this to happen would be to tell the left it WILL happen. And give them the choice of their favorite country's immigration laws regarding illegal border crossers. I doubt any other country but the US allows illegal aliens to stay. They idolize Europe, so cram Europe down their throats on this issue.
Decent people who are stealing our identities, costing us billions of dollars a year in free medical expenses, free WIC vouchers, etc. I'm sorry, but they are thieves and that makes them bad people in my book.
Oh, I agree. That's part of the pressure on the displacement. There are always pressures.
Sadly, the biggest single monetary pressure is due to the drug cartels. Those guys (each cartel head) have billions in profits to recycle into distribution. Prohibition laws always do this, of course. But yeah, there are plenty of bad actors putting pressure on the change in demographics. But the majority of warm bodies are still decent people. The bad guys require them.
Well, except for those 25% of illegals making up our federal prison.
I agree with most of your post, but not the part that illegals are just individuals coming here. Mexico is very intent on taking over from within and they are doing with illegals and legal immigration. There is a very sinister aspect to this. Mexico actually empties their prisons and brings them to the border. Many illegals are drug mules and many are in cartels and gangs and simply work day jobs for cover.
And let's not forget that most have stolen someone's soc. sec. number. A ring was busted a number of months back where illegals had paid 5000 bucks for a stolen soc. sec. number. I would guess those little ole migrant workers got that kind of dough bring drugs across the border. A large number of these illegals are coming here with the intent to commit crimes against us.
Ahhh! Don't agree with the liberals. Every nation exists because they conquered someone else. Even the Indians fought each other for land.