You know it’s bad when Obama’s comments offended both sides of the right/left political spectrum:
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Yes, let’s keep this ‘You didn’t build it.’ debate going full speed till November!
Kristen first time I’ve ever seen you say something straight-up that you were offended too – because it wasn’t taken out of context period. Most are lying on this subject about out-of-context like the Dems and Communists do all the time then They turn around and say Reps are the liars — I don’t like that language at ALL. Yet that seems to be the norm Rep’s have heard it so much on the Dem side they have forced Reps to speak up and fling the same lying phrase back. BUT IT IS UNBECOMING FOR THE PRESIDENCY. This Presidency — if your still voting for BO you haven’t been following the right news that reports the TRUTH (many don’t) (if the media would report both points of views and force the candidates to stay on the issues it would be a start. ) Unless you know the issues around socialism and rights WE ALL HAVE LOST THE LAST 3 1/2 YEARS under BO. you haven’t been following close enough. Do your own research, we have lost a ton of rights and the next thing would or will be gun rights but nobody wants to take on the NRA too expensive. If it was up to BO we’d have 3 small room homes Kitchen, Living Room and Bathroom, kids bedrooms would be the size of a bed not even big enough to walk around the bed and the closet would be accessed via the bed it wouldn’t contain clothes it would only contain very few cloths. I personally will NEVER FORGET when the Dems were locking Reps out of meeting rooms – if we were government employees and WE DID THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN FIRED. What are they never accountable.
I like your statements on the rights we have lost. Also, your description of the Agenda 21 lifestyle for the American people.
In Japan the room you describe is called a 3LDK, 3 bed rooms with a living room, dining room and kitchen combo.
No, obama wasn’t taken out of context no matter how hard the libs try to spin it. He stepped all over his tongue and spoke the truth from his own miserable, anti-free enterprise, anti-business heart.
He was trying to say that those of us successful with our own businesses need to re-distribute that wealth. And I think he caught himself before he went over that 2008 cliff.
But yet this woman supports higher taxes for the top 5%. Hey Kirsten take a look at what happened when Clinton raised the top 5% tax rate in 1993. The GDP went in the toilet. He cuts capital gains in 1997 and look what happens. Liberals are a bunch of morons!
I am sorry for this but fox for me is looking more like a representation of the rinos in washington. When have any of you seen a real conservative in any of the discussions? all we see is people from the left making their stupid statements without a clear rebuttal from our side. If you notice none of the real problems facing america are really not being covered at fox.
I experienced the same thing. I only got into reading about and commenting on politics in general in 2007 or so, mainly because I was not that mobile at the time and I also had a computer for the first time in my life.
My point is, I never considered myself a “conservative”, I wouldn’t have known what you meant if you asked me. I used to listen to O’Riley on the radio at work because my boss liked him and I thought he sounded like a right-wing loon half the time. Now I can’t stand the guy’s constant obsession with being “fair” by conceding every premise to the extreme left as if it even merits discussion. I definitely drifted to the right side of the political spectrum once I started thinking about it and seeing what is going on in the world.
I just have to sit back sometimes and remember that not everyone who agrees with me generally will have the same point of view on every issue. That doesn’t make someone a RINO, or anything like that. Politics is messy and frustrating, but it sure is fun if you have the right attitude about what you can’t do anything about.
I used to believe that Fox was the conservative alternative to the liberal media. Not anymore.
It was until the Arabs bought into NewsCorp!
Nice. Isn’t that convenient?
The islamists, like the communists know what is destroying America from within. Why risk the truth when they can use some of our oil money to keep the propaganda flowing?
Of course they do, and the exploit our political correctness to the fullest and laugh at how stupid we are while they’re counting truckloads of our money.
I’ll take Fox over MSNBC any day of the week. Speaking for myself, if it weren’t for Fox….I would probably think Obama was awesome like all other fools out there. Fox was my very first new outlet when campaign in 08 started. It was people like Hannity and Beck that made me really look into Obama. If I had never listened to Fox, I would’ve have never known what was going on.
Fox is a gateway drug… to conservatism!
A lot of people in the mainstream have to get their feet wet somehow.
In what context does anything Obama said make sense?
If “you didn’t build that” is a reference to the “roads and bridges” line like they have been claiming….Obama is both lying and ignorant. Government does not build roads. It collects taxes and pays a “private” (scare quotes for the incestuous relationship between unionized private companies and the politicians who send them work. That is a whole different topic.) company to build them. Government workers might do small projects and repairs, but that isn’t the same thing at all.
Donald, to your point, remember in 1994 when the California Northridge Earthquake collapsed sections of the Santa Monica Freeway. Does anyone believe the government repaired the busiest freeway in the world ahead of schedule? Or was it a private sector entreprenuer?
“Spurred by the promise of an extra $200,000 a day for every day work was completed ahead of schedule, the contractor, C. C. Myers Inc., will finish the project 74 days before a June 24 deadline and rack up a $14.5-million bonus for the company.”
Awesome! Ironic that a free society will work until they drop to get important work done ahead of schedule when motivated by profit but in order to produce those same results in a communist system, you would need guards, guns and lots of fences.
It’s like that Milton Friedman story that says he toured a gigantic construction project in China and asked why the workers were using shovels instead of power equipment. The reply was, “we communists ensure that more workers have jobs” or something to that effect. Friedman replied “why not use spoons instead of shovels then?”.
You are absolutely correct. I would just remind people that government borrows money from a private central bank, and foreign entities, to fund the private sector production. We are not building these things in a free market economy with real wealth.
It really doesn’t matter what he was referring to with his You Didn’t Build That comment. The context of the entire rant was clear. It was a rant that said you as an individual are not responsible for your own success. It is a Marxist argument in favor of collectivism – and it eventually winds up saying that you are not entitled to the fruits of your own labor – since your success is actually a collective effort. It is probably the most un-American thing a U.S. president has ever said.
Geez she starts out with an Obama apologia and then moves right into relativism. Charm is deceitful and beauty is vain. Nice try Kirsten.
She did start out by trying not to say that Obama really stepped in it this time. Coming from her that might be grounds for an intervention from the left, i.e.the woodshed?
She’s got that patented Obama apologetics thing down pat, just like she did for Billybob Klingon.
I love the fact that she mentioned the debate on “the role of government”. If there is a debate, which I haven’t really seen, then lets get it on.
I would like to put out a different angle on the issue of the president’s statement “you didn’t build that”. Granted, Americans have built many things, and government had little to nothing to do with it when it comes to production and small business. In the area of corporate financial “building”, government has been instrumental in building America.
When we look back at the building of our basic infrastructure, government, via the money created by the central bank, did build much of it. The great depression, brought on by manipulation from the central bank, spurred on government spending that helped build the country.
In recent history, government, in collusion with the central bank, built the housing bubble and is continuing the furtherance of a financial system that will ultimately collapse in upon itself. So, what the government builds is ultimately unsustainable, and therefor will destroy society.
Since the industrial revolution really got going, fake money and investment has been the backbone of all production. Government built a new financial retirement system after destroying the old pensions that were regulated and sustainable.
The military industrial complex has been a huge part of our economic prosperity, and with endless wars to be fought, it has contributed greatly to our continued economic dependence on war. This is yet another example of something that government and the central bank has been instrumental in building, but is also something that is unsustainable, because it is not based on real money, and sustainable economic production of goods within this country. It is also yet another industry that has been moved overseas, which has contributed to the deficits rather than our own economic prosperity. The fake money that is created to support it is now being exported.
Government has built this country to be what it is, but that is simply a country that is now dependent on deficit spending and social systems, which are funded by a failing currency that could never compete in the world without its world reserve status.
Government has built a country that is about to collapse without a lot of pain and suffering to turn it around.
You’re right on the money in my eyes. The Federal reserve was created with the supposed purpose of stabilization of the dollar. Yet, in order to do that they have created economic bubbles one after the other. They always burst at a certain point and therefore have not accomplished very much of what they were intended to do. The only thing they’ve done is to create larger and larger bubbles and the debt bubble of the current administration is absolutely the worst one yet. There is nothing backing it and will be disasterous when it bursts. It may make the great depression of the 1930s look like a cake walk. Mr.Obama and Mr.Geitner and Mr. Bernanke are all just following the patterns laid out back then and know that they will not work. They are traitorious in my eyes. I don’t know why others are not seeing this either, librtifirst.
Thanks for responding. I usually hear crickets when I make posts like that. It is encouraging to see more people recognizing the problem with the fed. I think that many know about it, but there are so many other problems, that it gets sidelined.
Yes, we need to wake both sides up that the govt is screwing us! he problem is, non of the liberals will listen – they criticize and they Tea Party racist. When I say that I’m a former Chicago Dem – crickets.
The entrenched liberals are almost a lost cause. Their entire mentality is so entitlement and fear based that they cannot break out of it. My sister was one who converted, but it too her getting out of government, starting a small business, then latching on to the RP campaign. She had to fight government to do simple things, and it helped wake her up.
The one can be a commie for all I care, problem here is that he is the president and his commie policies are hurting the country
I completely disagree -the Prez cannot be a commie in these United States!
How is this still a debate? Are there roads in North Korea? Were there roads in East Germany? Central Planning AKA Marxism doesn’t work. How is this not obvious? The context of Obama’s quote is worse. He is ridiculing successful people…
How much longer do you think the producers are going to pay taxes?
Kirsten tends to be more moderate than far left from my observations. I like her a ton better than Juan, Bob, Alan or the others. Although it still doesn’t make her right. But I give her a little slack now and then. She has been reasonable in the past.
That’s the Alaskan in her.
Could it be she’s a lot prettier than Juan, Bob and Alan?? LOL
Lol! Shame on you… er, maaaayyybe? Bad sjmom!
Honestly, she has been a little more level-headed than those others and has leaned right in her perspective from time to time… so I appreciate that.
And thanks for the visual of Bob Beckle in lipstick. That’ll leave a mark!
You’re right; Kirsten, at times, does seem to be more moderate than the others but I think it is because she was raised with good manners. I have never seen her as someone who throws vitriol at another person.
Most on the Left and I have noticed, especialy the women, are rude to the point where I consider it an affront to my gender.However, if you look at Sarah Palin, who is someone who speaks her mind, she is always a lady and ever shows decorum. These are the kind of women I respect and so, though I usually disagree heartily with Kirsten, I do respect her demeanor.
As far as Beckel in lipstick; that’s the kind of thing nightmares are made of so I will apologize for bringing such an image to your mind.
Agreed… civility is a lost art and it’s sad to see the left use rudeness like a club.
I’ll send you my therapy bill…
I don’t think he caught himself before he ran over the cliff — thus the claim he was taken out of context what he did was stick his foot in his mouth with a Freudian slip on the way he really feels
And I don’t see this thing going away, either. THIS is what the election is going to boil down to. Do you want an almighty government that is going to take over every aspect of your life? Or are you going to take your chances as an independent, thinking, human being who knows what’s best for you and who is going to make his or her own future? Basically it is socialism vs. capitalism in November. And since capitalism made us the most powerful nation on this planet, and all of the European nations grounded in socialism are now bankrupt, I think it’s about time everybody stands up for capitalism.
Agreed! But will the Romney campaign?
The problem with the capitalism that we have had is that we have not built this country on free markets. Corporate crony capitalism has destroyed what originally made this country great, and for 100 years we have been slowly conquered by the elites of the world. Bush was no more of a free market capitalist than Obama, but Obama has stepped up the game three fold. If Romney makes it in, we will likely see the same regulatory tyranny that has been perpetuated through many decades. The social systems are an affront to free markets, and to a free nation. Obama has added to them, but he is not the only one who has helped create them.
If we don’t get a Ron Paul domestic policy, there is no recovery. Republicans need to start talking about shutting down most of the federal regulatory agencies, and creating a sovereign currency. If they do not, then they are the enemy as well as the liberals.
Yeah, but Kirsten is a reasonable leftist (I know, I know. Those words don’t go together.). Most leftists are not. Not sure you can judge by that! However, put in context, the comments are condescending and abusive. I say, play them over and over!
I agree about Powers. She is one Democrat that I will listen to and she will give you an honest perspective. I can work with someone like that. Unlike Reid, Obama, Pelosi, Colmes, Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, and others. They are so bad there’s no working (or honest discussion) with them at all.
I just think that Fox should 86 all of their liberal pundits if they want to gain back any credibility as a conservative media outlet. Sure, have them on interviews as the opposition, but don’t hire them. Get rid of BillO, and put Judge Nap and Beck back in.
Eh, I don’t know about that. They do have some wacko libs on the channel, but if you think about it they are an accurate representation of the Democrat party as it stands. As much as I hate listening to them, I think It’s important to have that input in order to have more credibility. Otherwise they would be accused of not giving the left a voice….like basically the rest of the media outlets do to the right. I don’t know if there would be a difference if they were just interviewed as opposed to being employed by Fox. They would still be there. I think conservative members on Fox do a pretty good job of making the liberals look foolish.
You may be right. It might actually get the liberals to watch and hear more about conservatism.
The way I look at it is that people are leaving CNN and the others in mass numbers. I think that reason is they are catching on that they aren’t being told all of the important stories or both sides of the issues. Fox would probably have the same problem if they did nothing but spew conservative points of view….which, of course, is not what you suggested they do anyway.
Kirsten is alot more tolerable than the three stooges (Juan, Bob & Alan). In fact they have gotten so flaky that I immediately turn them off before they open their mouths. Fox is on the downslide big-time where I’m concerned. Fox Business channel is alot more entertaining with Dobbs, Willys and Cavuto. The libs on their channel are more palatable, if liberals can actually be palatable.
Yes, I agree and have given up Fox and now I am a Financial Factor follower – ie Cavuto!
Powers is a Democrat but she has grown a lot since being on Fox. She defends Obama and the Democrats, but she has limits. Unlike Beckel, Colmes and others, she has limits and is not willing to drag herself down into gutter when she knows it’s wrong. I can respect that much about her and she doesn’t make my blood boil like the others…including the vast majority of the MSM.
My sister is an ex-dem who recently registered as a republican, but she did it to vote for RP. She has shed her liberal ideals for the reality of our society. Republicans are going to have to do a lot better than they are to keep her in the party. She is now a staunch conservative. A time is coming when many will leave the republican party, due to the fact that they will no longer believe that it can produce any real conservative changes.
That is one of the good things that came out of the RP campaign. It converted many liberals to conservatives using common sense arguments. I’ve been arguing with her for 20 years, then all of the sudden, RP convinces her. I think that it is the fact that RP doesn’t come off to be as partisan as many do. Partisan pride will lock people into a position.
And let’s not forget the youth factor too. I have three young adult children in their early 20’s, and while none of them entirely connect with the republican party, the libertarian message resonates with them and they are all huge RP fans. Because of that, they would NEVER vote for a democrat/liberal. I think RP shed a lot of light on how government spending on both sides is destroying THEIR future, but notice RP did not line up behind Gary Johnson, who he knows could never win. He aligned himself with Romney, thereby making it OK for his base to vote for Romney. It’s brilliant when you think about it. It has never been “cool” to be a republican if you’re in your early 20’s, but RP gave them “permission” to vote republican and in doing so has taken a big chunk out Obama’s base.
That is very cool. My two are also in their early 20s, an are hard core conservatives. They were raised in the proverbial back woods. (guns, hunting, hard work)
After this primary season, I realized that the establishment GOP is so entrenched in fraud, that it is very unlikely that the liberty movement will penetrate it. They may allow certain states to have a victory, but look at what they did in Nevada. They just replaced the state GOP after the convention.
If they hadn’t taken it to the level of fraud that they did, and got away with it, then I might have hope for changing the GOP. The tea party is not active enough to take over the state level positions, and keep the fraud out, and good candidates in. Our tea party in Oregon has been totally co-opted by the establishment, and they were involved in illegally ousting liberty delegates.
I would love to see change in the GOP, but I don’t see it happening. My vote literally doesn’t count where I live due to redistricting over the years, and all of the power being put into one county in Oregon, so I have decided that I probably won’t vote at all this time around as a matter of principle. I will probably register as something other than a republican just to decrease the numbers of registered republicans, and to try to bolster the numbers of a third party.
I would love to believe that it can all be changed, but until the American people at least recognize how much fraud there is, and demand hand counted ballots, and publicly tallied votes, there is no way to keep the establishment out. Look at what happened in Nebraska. They rented electronic voting machines for the state convention.
We are cooked, and most don’t know it.
Years ago I dropped off the Republican ticket and went Independent. I found it to be useless because I was voting Republican anyway because very few Democrats (blue dogs) are worth voting for and even they get arm-twisted into voting against their conscience. So now I’m Republican again. My hopes hinge entirely on reforming the Republican party via the Tea Party. Eat the establishment whole and return to our conservative roots. I believe creating a third party would be a losing strategy, because all that would do is split the ticket and give the liberals full control for as far as the eye can see.
If we had a big enough political revolution that rejected both parties, it could work. Of course, I don’t see that happening. The establishment has a choke hold on the electoral process.
I agree. It would take a massive effort and I just don’t see it happening. I think we are stuck with the two-party system for now.
I hate to say it, but the liberty movement has taken over some state level GOP positions, and they plan to use them to get liberty minded conservatives elected, and to help keep fraud out of the state GOP electoral process. They pretty much took over some states. Romney and the national GOP had to move into Nevada and set up a new GOP there after the state convention.
I love it.
Whatever it takes to remove the “middle of the road” establishment that has forgotten what they were elected for…protecting our rights and reducing the size of government.
Just more states for Holder to file lawsuits against for doing their job.
re, in like 50-100 years I’m with you on taking over the party. But it is so very discouraging to see the R’s continue to fund Obamacare and wimp out when they had the majority. I personally despise Boehner and tweet him daily about his lack of spine.
Can Congress defund a program without the involvement or approval from the Senate or the President? If they can’t it would have been a waste of time trying. If they can….you might have a point but I’m not sure how it works.
I have heard that congress gives the president a lot of discretionary funding, but if the bill requires specific funding from congress, then I suppose that they could de-fund it. Otherwise, quit giving Obama so much money, and quit bowing to his threats of not funding SS. He would never get reelected if he actually didn’t send out the checks. Call his freaking bluff. But no, Boehner would never do that, because he doesn’t want to tick of his establishment buddies.
I assume you are talking about raising the debt limit, because that’s when Obama threatened to not send out SS checks. We could have called his bluff, but the media would have put the blame squarely on Republicans’ shoulders if Obama was stupid enough to do it. The correct blame would go to Obama but he wouldn’t get it.
Maybe Boehner gave in because Obama is stupid enough and uncaring enough to do it and he couldn’t let that happen to our elderly…?????
Maybe, but as the stakes keep getting higher, risks may have to be taken.
Yeah, you are right, because now they are literally threatening to drive the economy off the cliff intentionally if Republicans don’t let them tax the rich. Chicago politics, and it flat out tells us they don’t give a crap about anything except their power.
I agree and I truly believe that is what Gov. Sarah Palin is trying to be instrumental in doing although some just are not getting it. The R party cannot be changed by someone becoming president. It has to be done like she is doing-making speeches reminding people what being conservative really is and used to be and helping new people get into the Senate and Congress. Richard Mourdock in Indiana beat out RINO Lugar and Palin endorsed Mourdock. The lady from Nebraska was endorsed by Palin and she also won in the primary. I think a lot of people are getting what needs to be done but don’t understand what it takes to get there. You have to start from the bottom and work your way up.
Exactly, and it’s going to take quite a few years to do it, to.
I didn’t leave the Dem party, they got hijacked by the Progressive anti-American party.
So it seems that we have two parties that are on the same track. Not all are running the engine, but most are going along with the ride. It’s time to put them on the track to a cliff, and start over somehow.
And gotten a lot blonder, dresses better and wears more make up. If we can get her to start eating double bacon cheese burgers on Monday’s we’ve got her!
Don’t forget Big Macs. I love Big Macs.
I think conservatives have influenced her a lot. Higher class. I should say “any” class at all because liberals have none. And she has better arguments instead of nothing but talking points…..like Juan Williams the supposed “analyst” uses.
It’s because she’s an “old school” Democrat – very rare these days. Progressives have taken over the party. A lot of Democrats are finally noticing. These are not classic liberals. They are far more extreme and their ideology differs greatly. They are radicals and socialists. Liberals and Democrats were not either of those in the past, but they are now. I may not agree with Powers a lot, but at least you can have a conversation with her.
Yep, I agree. But from what I remember when Powers first came on Fox she was pretty much like the rest. She made some insane arguments that the others were also making, but she was getting all stressed out and I could see it. She was lashing out and very frustrated that she couldn’t win an argument. I think that’s when she “grew” out of it and quit spitting out the party line of the day. She got tired of being humiliated….or she realized that there are legitimate arguments that totally destroy the far left views.
She said it “was possible” that it was taken out of context. That is why they aired this. His comment was obviously taken out of context. Powers is a “token” Democrat and gets her paycheck from Fox News, so you decide.
Why would you say it was taken out of context? But the larger issue isn’t that one line. It’s the gist of what he was saying. Surely, you cannot deny it. Obama stands firmly behind the idea that Elizabeth Warren put forth, i.e. that because someone uses other people or things that other people built in order to get wealthy, that somehow they OWE the rest of us. This is class warfare at its ugliest, and Americans reject this. Progressives cannot run away from their ideology. Stop being such cowards. Put it out there and you’ll see how popular your ideas are or are not.
I think Kristen was offended because she probably has worked hard to get where she is. Liberal or not, anyone who has ever worked to achieve anything would be offended at Obama’s comments.
The way I see it, the president is so arrogant even if he were to recite “Mary had a little lamb” it would probably sound offensive. Makes me wonder about his likeability quotient which I have never agreed with.
I agree totally – I see him as mean and arrogant. I’m from Chicago and have only saw the most friendly people. But I didn’t hang around terrorist Bill!
The midwest is known for kind, friendly people and good cookin’ too! My grandfather was from Iowa.
Arrogance is not a state of residency but a state of mind. I’m from NJ but I never met Tony Soprano or even Snooki .
She must be under the tutelage of Megyn Kelly since Megyn took her to the woodshed over the NBP’s. I don’t watch FOX but every time I see her now she seems to sharper.
If the government is supposed to be responsible for all business, economic and financial success, they why wasn’t the USSR a big financial and business success.
My recollection is that the USSR imploded due to its government command and control of the entire economy.
Socialism has never worked anywhere-ever. if obama wants to really get down to the truth, taxpayers built the roads and bridges.
Powers is one of few Democrats that act like she’s got common sense.
I have hig hopes that in a few years Ms. Powers will see the error of her ways and become a Conservative. She is way too smart to be a Liberal.
Put Powers on “The Five” instead of Bob the Liberal puppet. She’s more reasoned, more intelligent and articulate. I still disagree with 95% of what she says but at least it’s what she says, and not how she might say it – See Bob the condescending for example.
Have them both on. That could get really interesting.
LOL! I like that idea. Popcorn ready… Let it begin!
in 2008 the majority of American Voters, along with a number of smigit illegal voters delivered by leftist legal c-3 groups, gave Obama the bennefit of the doubt.
Now who’s doubting Obamas mission? Only The true red blooded Americans who are fighting for our survival. The Leftist Progressive Liberals with their democrat party partners are still on their mission as if Americas destruction the past 3 1/2 years (Obamas Agenda) never happened.
Kirsten Powers continues to be one of my favorite liberals. She’s not rigidly set and I don’t get the sense that any of it is a show. She really thinks about this stuff and isn’t a kneejerk leftist like say Alan Colmes, who I can’t tolerate at all.
I’m surprised Powers would say something against her beloved Obama…She never does that….
I wonder if it’s a sign of how bad things are in the Obummer camp. The fact that the lock-steppers would back away could be kind of telling.
She was a Hillary supporter in 2008, so maybe she hasn’t consumed as much kool-aid as some. She’s also from Alaska and has kind of a soft spot for Sarah Palin. One thing I found interesting, back when the left was going after Rush for his comment about Sandra Fluke, she wrote an article calling out the same behavior by liberals like Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Olbermann, etc.
It’s possible he was taken out of context? Yea right. Tell me another one.
1.) If our success is only due to govt roads and bridges, then shouldn’t other countries with roads and bridges have been generating as much success as the US over the last 56 years?
2.) If we have to award govt with all of our success, then doesn’t govt, in turn, get the blame for all our failures to?
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