“Kiss-in” protester: Chick-fil-a owner is infringing on my civil rights or something

This is ridiculous:

So giving money to organizations that want to preserve traditional marriage is now infringing on her civil rights? Wow, what do you think she would be advocating for if she were in power? After all, donating money to any organization is a form of speech and is protected by the first amendment but it sounds like she’d like to do away with that part.

I’m going to guess that if this conversation went on a little longer, “Citizens United” would have found it’s way in somehow. Just a guess.

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  • cowgirl11

    Marriage in NOT a right.

    • Joe

      With gays – It is NOT about marriage

      Let’s face it –

      It is all about sex- nothing more – nothing less

      • cowgirl11

        They a disgusting breed

      • notebene

        No it’s about a group of anomalies choosing to push a warped agenda on the American public. This is another hack at traditional families by the left. The more they destroy the family, the more the government can step in and control us all at the expense of our liberty! They are nothing more than a sick group of people.

      • If it was all about sex, then why would they want to get married?

        • Joe

          Benefits !!

          or as SCOOP says –

          Something like that !

          • In my experience, It’s love. I only want to be with one person for the rest of my life.

            • Marie

              You don’t need a marriage to be with someone for the rest of your life. If you want to live with them until you die, then do it. Nobody is stopping you.

              • Well, I intend to, regardless of whether I am ever able to be married in my own state. But, would you be alright with someone telling you you couldn’t get married to the one you love? Oh well, perhaps I will find a way to move states.

        • stage9

          Who says their intention is marriage as you and I know it?

          Activist Paula Ettelbrick, once policy director for the National Center for L e s b i a n Rights, formerly legal director of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund (formerly the Lambda Legal Defense Fund), is tactically “for” same-s e x “marriage,” but shares these caveats:

          “Being q u e e r is more than setting up house, sleeping with a person of the same gender, and seeking state approval for doing so….Being q u e e r means pushing the parameters of s e x, s e x u a l i t y, and family, and in the process, transforming the very fabric of society….

          As a l e s b i a n, I am fundamentally different from non-l e s b i a n women….In arguing for the right to legal marriage, l e s b i a n s and g a y men would be forced to claim that we are just like h e t e r o s e x u a l couples, have the same goals and purposes, and vow to structure our lives similarly….We must keep our eyes on the goals of providing true alternatives to marriage and of radically reordering society’s view of reality.”

          Both the National Center for L e s b i a n Rights and the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund are considered, not “fringe,” but “mainstream” g a y activist groups. Former Lambda Legal Defense Fund president Thomas Stoddard also expresses lukewarm support for same-s e x “marriages”:

          “I must confess at the outset that I am no fan of the “institution” of marriage as currently constructed and practiced….Why give it such prominence? Why devote resources to such a distant goal? Because marriage is, I believe, the political issue that most fully tests the dedication of people who are not g a y to full equality for g a y people, and also the issue most likely to lead ultimately to a world free of discrimination against l e s b i a n s and g a y men.”

          Activist Donna Minkowitz says:

          “We [g a y and l e s b i a n activists] have been on the defensive too long. It’s time to affirm that the Right is correct in some of its pronouncements about our movement. Pat Buchanan said there was a “cultural war” going on “for the soul of America” and that g a y and l e s b i a n rights were the principal battleground. He was right. Similarly, [h o m o]’phobes like Pat Robertson are right when they say that we threaten the family, male domination, and the Calvinist ethic of work and grimness that has paralyzed most Americans’ search for pleasure.

          Indeed, instead of proclaiming our innocuousness, we ought to advertise our potential to change straight society in radical, beneficial ways. Het[ero s e x u a l]s have much to learn from us: first and foremost, the fact that pleasure is possible (and desirable) beyond the sanction of the state. Another fact gleaned from g a y experience-that gender is for all intents and purposes a fiction-also has the potential to revolutionize straight lives.”

          Writing in Out magazine, regular contributor Michelangelo Signorile (quoted supra) has described a strategy in which h o m o s e x u a l s

          “fight for same-s e x marriage and its benefits and then, once granted, redefine the institution of marriage completely…to debunk a myth and radically alter an archaic institution….The most subversive action lesbians and g a y s can undertake-and one that would perhaps benefit all of society-is to transform the notion of ‘family’ entirely.”

          I think it’s time we start taking them at their word.

          • CalCoolidge


          • Huh, that’s funny. I’m a lesbian woman, who disagrees with what these protesters are doing, but my desire to marry my loved one stems from….love. I see my relationship as having the same groundwork as a heterosexual one, except we are the same sex. I have no desires to change the commitment, devotion, or faithfulness of marriage. I must say, this person you have quoted is rather extreme.
            So yes, my intention is marriage as you and I know it.

            • Ok, Amachka, the radicals on your side have taken over the agenda, just like the radical muslims have taken over the Islamic agenda. Your silence is your acceptance. Fight back against your radical fringe or you will go down with their ship.

              Who are you going to vote for in November??

              • Nobody. They all suck.

                Also, if you meet any large number of gay men and women, you will see that we are really not that radical; we are just as boring as everyone else. Boring people don’t make news.

                • Marie

                  You are being defined by those radicals. As long as you are defined by those radicals, the “boring” people such as yourself will suffer and you’ll never get anywhere. That is why you need to speak up and police your own.

                • I beg to differ, Marie. I think this is not a gay problem- this is a human problem all around. I do not need to police ‘my own’, because they are not ‘my own’. They are as much a part of your community as mine. We all- regardless of what our sexual orientations are- need tpo stop the us vs. them routine.

        • John Hofeling

          That is hilarious! And true.

      • AwakenNow

        It is about MONEY. Otherwise they would accept “Civil Unions.” It is about gaining social security and disability benefits along with employer health insurance, etc.

        • It’s not quite as simple as that. Would you accept a mere civil union for you and your husband/wife?

          • It goes much deeper, such as visitation rights in the hospital.

            • CBDenver

              If you want visitation rights all you have to do is sign an advanced directive giving those rights to whomever you please. Hospitals allow patients to specify who does and does not have visitation rights. An advanced directive allows you to so specify in the event you are unable to do so when hospitalized. The idea that you need to be legally married to have hospital visitation rights is incorrect and a red herring.

    • This is what happens when people except homosexual ” marriage” even exists.
      its a fallacy.
      We’ve allowed the word marriage to be re defined and now …… this is what you have. A new “right” at the expense of your God give rights.

      No first amend wtih homosexual “marriage” . they are incapable

    • Indeed. Marriage is a responsibility. It isn’t even a “contract between two consenting adults” as many like to put it. When The Bride of Monster and I were wed, the two of us took vows, but there were two other parties to the contract. Neither of the two Monsterettes had even been conceived, so by definition they were under 18 years of age, and therefore incapable of giving their consent to the contract.

      The fundamental difference between same-sex unions and heterosexual marriages is that the former cannot produce offspring and the latter can. Representing the interests of the children who may emerge from a heterosexual marriage is the only justification for the state to involve itself in the matter. Were it not for this fact, I’d be more than happy to make “marriage” entirely a matter for churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, covens, or whatever form of faith community people choose to join.

      • cowgirl11

        I totally agree, it is the foundation of the family, one sex is not complete without the other.

        • What about infertile couples?

          • Are they infertile, or do they preclude reproduction by making lifestyle choices? There’s a difference.

            • And what if a husband and wife don’t want children?

          • cowgirl11

            What about them?

          • CalCoolidge

            I give up. What about them?

            • Is there something wrong with them, being that they are not using marriage to bear children?
              Also, gay couples adopt children all the time and raise tem as a family, so both marriages really are responsible for children.

              • CBDenver

                The legal responsibility for children comes from the adoption process, not the legal marriage process in the case of adoptioned children.

              • There is nothing wrong with infertile couples. If they want to avoid the legal framework imposed by state sanction of their marriage, they need not seek that sanction. They can hold a religious ceremony to celebrate their commitment to one another under the terms of the faith community in which they enjoy membership. But infertility isn’t always absolute, so if there is even the slightest chance of a child being produced, there is good reason to get that marriage license.

                As CBDenver helpfully explained already, adoption is its own legal process under which the state has a compelling interest to act on behalf of the minor child, who by definition is incapable of giving his consent to the adoption. (Anyone who is legally able to enter into a contract without parental ratification is beyond the scope of “adoption”.) That applies whether the adoptive couple is heterosexual but infertile, or a same-sex couple that is inherently infertile.

                BTW, nearly everything that gay activists say they want from “same-sex marriage” should be doable via contract: For instance, a same-sex couple who wants hospital visitation rights can execute a properly-drafted document. If the activists would put 1% of the resources they expend now into having a team of lawyers creating such documents and providing them free of charge (or for no more than the price of a marriage license) to those couples, the horror stories of having someone die alone in a hospital while his partner is denied visitation would go away. And with them, a lot of the impetus for “same-sex marriage”.

                The things that can’t be handled by contract probably could be dealt with legislatively by, for instance, eliminating ALL estate taxes (other than probate costs to fund the court) rather than insisting same-sex partners get the same exclusions as heterosexual spouses. And while we’re at it, let’s eliminate the “marriage penalty” that causes many married couples to pay higher taxes than if they were single. But for some reason, the people who push for SSM don’t seem very interested in eliminating/reducing taxes.

    • Watchman74

      Everything is a right nowadays.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Except disagreeing with the political Left.

    • keyesforpres

      Correct. It is a privilege.

      • MrMicawber

        Exactly correct – a privilege.

        See how they want to turn everything into a right? Healthcare, housing, a job…it’s endless, with the goal of empowering the state and destroying civil society.

  • Joe

    I am glad she is “gay”

    I would not want to kiss that “beak”

    But seriously – Jeff Bezos and Ben/Jerry donate to the LGBT “movement”

    What’s the difference between the two?

    These people are “twisted” in more ways than I can imagine.

    • MacSwain

      Your point about contributions by Bezos and Ben & Jerry made to homosexual organizations are no different than contributing to organzations who want retention of traditional marriage was a perfectly correct one.

      The person they interviewed is demonstrating the narrow mindedness that is true of all these reactionary, anarchist types.

      • Joe

        Her reaction is typical of the crazy liberal thought process

        “If I do it – it’s OK – BUT

        If you do it – I object (protest)”

        OH WAIT ! – Here it is again!! >> (VOLUME UP)


    • Joe

      OH – I forgot to mention

      On Wed. – There were NO aggressive incidents

      Today at the “kiss” in there was property damage >>


      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Actually, I believe that may’ve been the result of a monetary grant from the National Endowment for the Arts.

      • badbadlibs

        IF the media were ever to do it’s job, they would point out this serious difference between the left and the right.
        These people are completely off their rocker, the left that is, no matter who they have sex with….

    • MrMicawber

      Yeah, but see the way she percieves it (wrongly of course): bezos/ben&jerry are supporting “civil rights” or “human rights,” not attempting to *infringe* upon them. Absolute silliness.

    • CalCoolidge

      Q’s don’t eat Chick FillA. I don’t eat Ben and Jerry’s.

  • That is some serious stupid right there.

    • Joe

      Where’s her sign?

    • sjmom

      The only difference between Nazi Germany and 2012 America is in the 30’s it was the Jews where today it is Christianity. Either way it is an assault on Heaven from Hell and the war is ratcheting up big time. It’s going to get worse, not better, just as the Bible has told us.

      • keyesforpres

        Actually, Nazi Germany was also about getting rid of Christianity too. That was Hitler’s ultimate goal: to get rid of Christianity on the European continent…and control of Europe, of course.

        • sjmom

          You’re right. If you think about it Satan has not changed his plan; get rid of God’s people, both Old Covenant and New and you get rid of God. You’d think the fool would’ve learned by now God wins; he loses. No wonder its the Lake of Fire for him.

      • CalCoolidge

        There’s another difference. What passed for the right wing in Germany had no guns. In this country, we do.

    • “The left can’t stand to hear a differing view other than their own.”

      This is because the left cannot separate actions from character.

      We conservatives can criticize Obama’s policies but respect him as a man (or have no opinion of him as a man). The left sees action and character as the same, so any criticism of his policies is branded racist.

      We conservatives disagree with the behavior of homosexuality, but we love homosexuals as God’s children and have many as friends. But the Gaystopo on the left sees action (behavior) and character as the same, so any criticism against homosexuality is branded homophobic or HATE.

      When Michael Savage talks about liberalism as a mental disorder, he is absolutely correct. To equate action (things we can judge) to be the same as inner character (only can judge as we personally know them – or referred to God to judge) is just lunacy.

    • cowgirl11

      Every time I argue with a loon about that, they go crazy the similarities between nazi Germany and obama America are uncanny and frankly very scary, it is up to us not to make the same mistake the Germans did, whether it was fraud how he got there or not we have to sure this November the rest of us vote him out or we will regret it for many, many years to come.

  • Amy

    You can’t fix stupid – not even with duct tape.

  • sDee
  • Nukeman60

    I find it a bit disingenuous of this reporter to first show the thousands of people standing in lines for Chick-fil-A Appreciation day, but yet had a narrow shot of the ‘kiss-in’ protest. He may well have given most people the impression that the protest was a large group by doing that. From what I could see there must have been only a handful of people there. I wonder why he didn’t pan out to show that?

    Having said that, I wouldn’t want anyone making out where I and my children eat our meals, whether they be homosexuals or heterosexuals. I can’t believe this would help their cause. Don’t they even think about the consequences of their own actions? Oh, wait. I forgot about the ‘free water’ drive thru nut who lost his job in order to be able to harass an innocent cashier.

    I guess they don’t.

    • stage9

      Propaganda is a selective business.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Serously right on… people don’t go to public places like a fast food joint to make out. It’s indecent, it’s wrong and in this case is grotesque and could lead to violence. That’s what makes me mad about this… the malignant gall to do something so disgusting (Ooooo! Look how gay we are for each other!) and then for the media to report it dishonestly.

      This is just another example of the moral decay of America. Pray for these freaks.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        “…people don’t go to public places like a fast food joint to make out.”

        Gays do.

        • Sober_Thinking

          Funny response. There are so many cliches and innuendo puns I could use here…

          Gays have no morals or shame. Doing something this disgusting doesn’t help their cause one bit – it hurts it.

    • keyesforpres

      All the gaystapo cares about is pushing their agenda on us and offending us.

    • “Don’t they even think about the consequences of their own actions” Nukefriend.

      I don’t believe so, judging by the outrageous and indecent behaviors on display at cities across the nation during “gay pride” parades.

      • Nukeman60

        Good point. I was tickled by the ‘free water’ guy bragging that he ‘took a little money from Chick-fil-A’ and then promptly declared ‘but I’m straight, don’tcha know’. Let’s see if he shows up now at a gay pride parade, unemployed and all.

        Hmmm, I wonder if Chick-fil-A would hire him? They seem to be doing so well that they need more employees.

        • LOL. You know what though? Chick Fil A probably WOULD hire the putz. They’re classy that way! 😉

          • Nukeman60

            I agree.

            You know another funny part of this guy’s video was when he saw a bunch of college kids down the street in a large group and he thought they were getting ready to protest Chick-fil-A.

            Well, it turns out these kids were waiting to go into the movie theater there. Shows how warped this guy was. He was so pumped about them that he twisted his own mind around.

            I wonder what he’s pondering now? Perhaps, standing in that long, slow unemployment line. Hope he makes a video.

    • The gays are trying to win the hearts and minds of America to support their gay lifestyle by kissing in public. The boycott failed and served to introduce new customers to the great tasting chicken they serve. The kiss-in gave additional people who missed appreciation day but wanting to make the kiss-in inconsequential, a second chance to try their chicken. Sounds like a win-win-win for CFA! Nice guys finish last? I think Mr Cathy is smiling along with all his supporters.

      I am hoping I get a store near my home so I don’t have to drive so far for a sandwich. Anyone who puts his business on the line for his convictions is a class act! Mr. Cathy, I wish you much success and you have my strong support!

  • Rshill7

    Hey, remember that guy who filmed himself lashing out at that nice Chick-Fil-A drive-thru girl a day or so ago? He was a CFO of a corporation who has now fired him. That was no doubt the dumbest and most expensive thing he’s ever done.

    A little bit of justice.

    • Nukeman60

      Heh, I think we were simultaneous. A bit scary, don’t you think?

      • Rshill7

        Yep, I was trying to outscoop Scoop for our non-TV-viewing friends 🙂

        • Joe

          Thank goodness I was not incvolved – I don’t like those “trois” things!

    • williamm

      Exclusive: TheBlaze Interviews the Guy Fired for Berating a Chick-fil-A Employee

      Editor’s note: This is a smaller version of a larger story. Stay tuned for the complete version Friday afternoon that will include more from Adam Smith.

      Should someone be fired from their job and threatened with violence, torture, even death because they have an opinion different than yours? Of course not. And yet, that is what Adam M. Smith of Arizona says happened to him.

      Adam Smith’s life has been turned upside-down in the 36 hours that followed his posting the video of his protest at Chick-fil-A, which involved letting a young, female employee at the drive-thru know what he thinks about the company.


      Obviously the Blaze doesn’t understand Smith didn’t get fired for expressing his opinion, but for verbally abusing the young lady.

      More from the article.

      We had an exclusive conversation with Smith where he shared his side of the story. Here’s a taste of what he said (we’ll be releasing more later):

      He has lost his job as Chief Financial Officer at Vante. (Smith claims that he was not given a chance to really explain himself before being terminated)

      His family has been threatened with violence and death. (At one point, his email account was getting 3 messages a minute, mostly vulgar and threatening)


      People are wrong for the threats , but as to getting fired, Too bad.

      Smith and these other jerks are doing what they can to close down the company and cost these people their jobs.

      • obxpatriot

        how did all these people get his email address, was it his work email??? They made death threats to his family, really. Me thinks something is not quite right with his version.

        • keyesforpres

          Yeah, that is not something conservatives would do.

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          Yeah, I’m calling “bullsh*t” on all that.

      • Nukeman60

        His firing has to do with putting the company he works for in a bad light. That is just cause and he has no recourse, as much as he thinks he does. I figured, when I heard he was fired, that he would try to sue somebody, anybody, as that sounded like the type of person he is.

        I’d say ‘good luck with that’, but I wouldn’t mean it.

        • Hey Nuke you are completely correct on why this guy was fired. In his video he claims to be 100% heterosexual, I’d bet a days pay he now claims and sues for wrongful termination because he is gay.

          • williamm

            He is married with 4 children, 2 of them special needs.

            • E. Lee Zimmerman

              He seems like a Special Needs case, as well.

            • James1754

              Maybe he should have thought about how his children would have felt if some twit had spoken the then in the manner he spoke to the young lady at the window. Maybe he should have thought about his children before the put his face and voice out on the web and embarrassed his company(a CFO represents the company in all his dealings). Maybe he should have thought of his children before he came up with this brilliant elitists idea on how to express himself, believing everyone would think what a great job he did.
              Maybe first he should have thought of his children.

      • jlbs

        Actions and elections have consequences. Libs don’t understand this simple concept.

    • Pat

      Well he did get a free cup of water…. : )

      • Joe

        He’s going to need it!

      • 3seven77

        Yep. He got what he asked for. He just didn’t expect to have to deal with the consequences.

    • Army_Pilot1967

      I hope his salary was huge$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and now it’s gone! Serves the bully right!!!

    • nibblesyble

      Best news I heard all day is that slime got canned! Thanks Rs!

  • G_unitttt

    “infringing on my civil rights or something”…….ha, hilarious

  • 911Infidel

    Ah yes the “tolerance” of the multiculturalists on full display. Oh they’re tolerant all right. Tolerant of every view except the Christian world view that is. Isn’t the real agenda of these “tolerant” people the annihilation of any view point that opposes their views? Western society is well on its way to committing societal hari-kari.

  • The 1st amendment to the United States Constitution states:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    The gay community and their supporters have already trample over these ” Bill of Rights.”
    The intolerance to ones free speech, and their religious belief is one that even the heterosexual supporters of the gay community are starting to take a second look.
    ” I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.” Thomas Jefferson

  • Sober_Thinking

    I can’t listen to her or this.

    This is a win-win for Chik-Fil-A. They get a lot of business and are recognized as a God-honoring organization – the Lord will bless them for that. The gays (this really isn’t about them at all) and the left get to show the world how intolerant they are and what their true agenda is. They don’t want equal rights… they want to punish anyone that disagrees with them. And that’s different from Progressives how?

    I was outraged at this at first. Seriously mad. And then it came to me that this is really a good thing. It really shows what Christians are up against and how the left and Government (Chicago, Boston, etc.) officials are trying to push their values on America… at the cost of other freedoms. They can’t legally trade the rights (free speech, freedom of religion) of some for the desires of a few at the expense of the many.

    I pray that God grabs hold of people’s hearts over this and that souls would be saved.

    • It isn’t different from Progressives in any way, shape or form. the gay agenda is part of the progressive movement. As a matter of fact it is an invention of the Progressive movement.

    • Nukeman60

      The gay issue is just that – an issue. It’s how people respond to it that tells the real story. The response of the CFA attendent spoke mountains. She was magnificent. So, too, did the actions of the ‘free water’ nut. He bared himself to be the intolerant bigot that he proclaimed to hate.

      The CEO of CFA merely spoke his beliefs and the response of people, twisting what he said and distorting his actions, said more than any single speech or organization ever could. The mayors of several cities let their true bigotry out and their true agenda was bared for all to see.

      This incident will resonate throughout our nation and may well be the launching pad of a whole new surge of Christian faith, and it may just finally bring out the quiet multitudes of the ‘silent majority’ that we have been trying to awaken for months now.

      This is bigger than we realize.

      • Sober_Thinking

        I hope you’re right.

        I heard a stistic that claimed that less than 50% of Evangelicals vote. That’s crazy in my book. Thank God for the Teavangelicals.

        Frankly, I thought Christians would react with huge unity and in great numbers against Obama’s blatant attck on the church (and Religion) over contraception and his new abomination known as the Healthcare law. Perhaps they still will.

        Phyllis Schlafly was talking to college kids almost a month ago and discussed how young Evangelicals aren’t interested or engaged in politics… that they feel it’s dirty or something. With that being said, all the ingrediants are there for a massive rising up against Obama this fall. So your comment has great credibility.

        I just hope all Conservatives appreciate just how important their vote is in this war… and yes, it is exactly that: a war! May we all fight the good fight.

  • sjmom

    Like the Left doesn’t give $$$$$$$$$ to those who support their own agenda?! What a farce and there are many companies who give money to support that which I find offensive but I don’t protest. I may not buy their product but I have yet to protest. I’m thinking about sending Dan Cathy some money and labeling it “for your organizations which oppose gay marriage”.

    As far as the woman’s rights; marriage is not a “right” but a God given union between one man and one woman to perpetuate the human race. In Genesis 6:6 it is written:

    “And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart”.

    I can only imagine the pain and grief the “gay” lobby has caused my Heavenly Father and as I picture a tear falling from His eye at His gaze upon these demonstrations from the pit of Hell I will bless my Father this day and praise Him for sending His first begotten to save me from the pit of destruction into which mankind has fallen. Be blessed my God for there are still some of us on Your side. Thank You Lord for Your mercy, so undeserved by me, but yet so freely given by You. In Jesus Name. Amen.

  • Hello, I am not posting this because I feel as if gay marriage is wrong. I feel as though if they want to be married, go ahead. It’s okay as long as they know that I’m not gay and they don’t hit on me. No, I’m not a liberal. I am a conservative. I feel as though people should not protest the freedom of speech that the president of Chick-fil-a is expressing. I’m an Atheist but you don’t see me protesting churches. People that go to church or believe in religion have a right to do so and I can not infringe upon their rights.

    • Why post your ignorance for all the world to see? You may be atheist but you have a duty and a responsibility to learn what built the world and it wasn’t atheism nor was it gay marriage. I know of not one single civilization that was built on homosexuality or gay marriage but I can give you a list of civilizations that fell because of it along with other acts of immorality.

      The sheer fact that you do or don’t protest and believe in rights in general comes from religion. The very concept of it and the civilization you live in comes from religion. Now believe or don’t believe, that is up to you. However don’t ride the coattails of those that built civilization then try and proclaim the moral high ground since morality is a concept invented by religion.

      • I do not think that I am of the moral high ground. I reject the belief of religion because I feel as though it is ignorance of the world around. The use of God is to explain something that we can not explain ourselves. This has been the point of Gods since the beginning of human civilization. I believe in science. Also, I feel as though humans are capable of knowing right from wrong within themselves without being told by God. My moral compass comes from within myself and not from a Bible, Torah, or Qur’an.

        • Nukeman60

          You do know, don’t you, that science is not counter to God. Many of us believe that God created all that is. Science is merely a man-made, haphazard, primitive means for us to ask about and discover that which is God. They actually go hand in hand. When scientists know all there is, they will know God. They will not be God, but they will know Him.

          I find it interesting that you can reject something that you, yourself, claim you don’t know much about (that’s how scientists thought the Earth was flat). Keep an open mind. The Bible wasn’t created and then God came from that. It was the other way around, the Bible came from God. Your capability of knowing right from wrong, even though you think you created it within yourself, is actually put within you to discover.

          As I said, try to keep an open mind and you can discover great wonders.

          • If I may ask, what is God? How would ‘it’ be able to create everything? I have an open mind. I don’t use God as answer for anything. If there is something that I don’t know, I look to find an answer. That is science. Also, who wrote the Bible? I know it wasn’t God or Jesus. So how can we be so sure that is the definite word of God? Human memory can change and flutter with time.

            • Nukeman60

              It is up to you to find God for yourself. If you don’t want to, you won’t. If you do want to, you will. Science does a good job of unraveling the material world, but has trouble so far with the spiritual world.

              If you use science only to find your answers, then it will be like using a backhoe in Illinois to find the ocean (you are looking in the wrong place). How does science describe the soul? It doesn’t. Why? Because it doesn’t have the tools yet. That is how science works. Slowly, with errors along the way, science advances.

              Science never creates anything. All things are already there. Science merely stumbles upon them. If you reject one aspect of life and rely only on a portion of the tools given to you, then you may fail many times. That failure may cause you to reject that which you haven’t yet found, but it doesn’t mean that what you haven’t found isn’t there.

              That’s why I say have an open mind. You say you do, but you describe that you don’t. It’s your choice. God-given free will.

              • Religion doesn’t have to be the thing to unravel the spiritual world. Philosophies, such as Buddhism, are pretty good at as well. Yes, Buddhism is a philosophy. Buddha did not consider himself to be a God and he didn’t want either people to see him as one. He just believed, in the simplest from, that people should relieve themselves greed and always strive to help the fellow man.

                • Nukeman60

                  He just believed, in the simplest from [sic], that people should relieve themselves [of] greed and always strive to help the [sic] fellow man.‘ – jake

                  I believe the same thing, but it doesn’t discount the existence of God.

                  But, if you want an ontological discussion, perhaps you should consider this:


        • Listen to yourself! You feel but you don’t think!!! that is precisely the problem. Your feelings are misguided and lack any thinking or knowledge. Your whole post is dribble. Why don’t you look up the head of the Genome project and other scientists, most of whom believe in God and says science proves his existence. Right now you are an immature parrot and it is patently obvious. You are repeating what you have been told without thinking, investigating, or digging deeper. Shame on you for being so lazy.

          Your moral compass comes largely from Western Civilization that was developed from Judeo-Christian values. So you not only don’t know science but you don’t know anything of religion or history as well. Man did not just suddenly decide to be moral out of the clear blue sky. Even pagan religions of mythological nature had some morality or rules imposed. What is the most singular significant rule that Judeo Christian imposed that other religions did not?

          And exactly how does your morality come from within yourself? Are you saying you are born automatically moral and all knowing? Got proof of that?

          You apparently know little but speak quite a bit.

          • I was raised in a Conservative Catholic household. If I was such a parrot, would I not be repeating the ‘Word of God?’ Both of my parents were raised in Catholic households and went to Catholic school their entire academic career. I don’t know science? I am currently enrolled as a Physics student at the University of Pennsylvania. That surely shows my lack of knowledge in science.

            • Nukeman60

              I am currently enrolled as a Physics student at the University of Pennsylvania. That surely shows my lack of knowledge in science.‘ – jake

              It certainly doesn’t show you have knowledge of it either. You could be failing, for all anyone knows. Setting that aside, however, you claim to be an atheist. Now knowing that you were raised in a Catholic household, you could be rebelling, for that matter. At any rate, you are more likely an agnostic, rather than an atheist, as an atheist ‘knows’ there is no God and an agnostic isn’t sure whether there is or isn’t.

              You say you use science to solve your questions. Many of us use Faith when asking questions of God. Let’s use science and see where we get.

              So, question number one, what is beyond the visible universe? Do you know? Does science? How do you know it’s not God, if you don’t know in the first place?

              Let’s go the other way. How many dimensions are there? We have all seen the 3 spatial ones and the dimension of time, but what about the extra 22 dealing with string theory? Or the 7 of M-theory? Have you seen them? Do you know what’s there? No?

              As a scientist (specifically a physicist), tell me what existed before the Big Bang and tell me how it happened. Do you know that God didn’t do it?

              How about the laws of nature? Were they accidental? Scientists say that if any number of those laws of nature had been ever so slightly different, that life would not exist. What made those laws just so precise? Is it random multiverses, and, if so, what created those multiverses?

              How about the double helix of DNA? Was it just randomly created out of the primordial soup, especially the FOXP2 gene, which gives us the ability of speech. Where do you suppose that mutated or evolved from and why aren’t other creatures able to use that gene to speak?

              Christians speak from faith when they speak of God. The Bible is a guide for those of us who are mere humans with earthly frailties and faults, and it helps us attempt to keep on the straight and narrow. You know that with your Catholic upbringing, but I suspect you just rebelled from it (actually, none of my business, anyway).

              Like I said before, when you use just science as your guide to answering the unanswerable questions, you may find yourself a bit lacking in the answers. As you progress through your Physics studies, keep these questions in mind and try to keep an open mind.

              Remember, science doesn’t have all the answers. Just ask your profs, they’ll tell you.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman


      Jake, you lost me.

      • How did I lose you?

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          Why does someone who is gay HAVE to know that you’re not gay, so don’t hit on you?

          • I didn’t mean exactly like that. I mean it as that if they hit on me, I would tell them that I’m not gay and hope that they don’t continue to hit on me.

  • maynardb50

    Go back to your closets, homosexuals!

  • 3seven77

    So when did giving money to a cause you believe in infringe on someone else’s civil rights? Must have been at the same time that expressing a different opinion became “hate speech”. I guess I missed that meeting.

  • I went to Chick-Fil-A today for lunch. Had the spicy chicken sandwich with pepper jack cheese and waffle fries. I, of course, had to substitute the soda for a large peach milkshake topped with whipped cream and a cherry. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    By the way, there were no kiss-in protesters at the Springfield, PA location, but there were A LOT of customers.

    Chick-Fil-A: WIN
    Protesters: FAIL

    Honestly, what point are they really trying to make? “Hi, I’m part of the Gaystopo and I want to hurt a business because they have a different opinion than me that does not affect me in any way.” Looks like the point they are making is that the left is INTOLERANT.

    But even though the owner of CFA disagrees with gay marriage, he does not discriminate in employment nor in customers, so looks like CFA is an example of TOLERANCE.

    Get that, you liberal loonies?

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      The wife and I are swinging by one tomorrow. Good on you, and good on anyone else who did the same.

  • I would also like to point out to the ignoramus in the video that Dan Cathy by giving money to causes he believes in is exercising his civil rights and she can exercise hers by doing likewise. I bet she has no problem with Soros giving lots of money to left wing causes or corporations like Progressive Insurance backing those same causes. These protesters are in reality protesting civil rights in general. They should be careful what they wish for and in my opinion have crossed a line. Their protest is hardly legitimate.

  • IDSprout

    If you don’t like the values of a privately owned company, with ownership expressing their Constitutional rights, then don’t eat there. I am so sick of the immoral majority trying to force their lifestyle on mainstream America – I guess they realize that in less than 100 days, the game changes – Bye Bye Barry, Harry, Holder, Nancy, and the rest of ya !

  • notebene

    These leftist rubes miss the point! This is the United States! We can make choices of where we eat , what we say, and what we choose to believe. Just because we don’t agree, does not give them the right to attack a business! I don’t hang in gay bars because I find them offensive. The GL community can stay out of Chic-Fil-A, if they don’t agree with the owner’s beliefs! It’s a win-win for all, if they would just get lost! Get a clue…nobody gives a rip about your perverted agenda, we aren’t afraid of you, and most of all, you don’t deserve special rights for acting like spoiled, ill-mannered children!

    • crosshr

      well put notebene !

  • kateorjane

    So he can have an opinion but he can’t provide financial support to groups who don’t support what she thinks they should? He can’t actually support what he believes?

  • Susanna958

    I went to the mall in my town to check out the Chick fil-A there and see if there were any protesters. Nope. Only families eating Chikin.

  • slhancock

    The Communists swore that they’d take over America without firing a shot. They expected it would take about 80 years to do it. That was the early 30s, I think. Since then, they infiltrated the church, the universities, the government, etc. They said they’d use morality as a wedge to destroy the family and fabric of our Judeo-Christian culture. They have been very successful. We (America) need a full spiritual revival, with repentance from the heart and a firm commitment to live within our values again, the very thing that allowed America to prosper and become a great nation. The 20th century destroyed most of what we once knew as good and right. We have now raised 2 generations without instilling our country’s history, without Judeo-Christian values, and the end result is that we have become a lawless nation. Only God can intervene and turn us around.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Precisely. Brilliant.

  • So, Cathy’s donating money to like-minded groups is “infringing” on her “Civil Rights”… That would’ve been a great time for a follow-up question… What “Civil Rights” of yours has he “infringed” upon, by simply donating money, and how has it “infringed” upon that/those “Civil Rights”..??? Would have loved to have heard the answer to that one…

    • keninil

      With her logic: You infringe on her civil right when you donate to a candidate she opposes!

  • Good gracious! These silly people don’t get it. If they get to impose the ridiculous rules and restrictions they advocate, don’t they realize those same laws can be used AGAINST them!??!? I have to go with blaming the education system here for lacking civics lessons. People are throwing around words they don’t understand like “civil rights.” Every day I think it can’t get sillier and yet…So if this is the case, YOU sir have trampled on MY civil rights because I’m guessing you donated your money to Obama or Planned Parenthood. See how that works. How dare you.

    and BTW – You can pry my Chick-fil-a from my cold dead fingers…

    • nibblesyble

      loove it!

  • joyfulgiver

    yet everytime I come out of target, (which I go less frequently lately), I am accosted by people wanting to know if I belive in “Gay Civil Rights” what the heck???? I believe in the Constitution. I believe all people should have the “equal rights” afforded to us by that constitution. And, Mr. Cathy is not advocating AGAINST gays, he has an opinion, just like mine, that marriage should be as it has been, God ordained since Adam and Eve, between one man and one woman.

    • Target (at least in CA) also keys in your license number when you buy beer and wine REGARDLESS of one’s obvious age. They are making a data base for Obama’s Obama Care so they can see how often people drink and then determine if you get care. Sounds extreme? Google Agenda 21 and look at http://www.numbersusa.org The Left thinks there are too many of us and population control via sterilization and medical care control is needed. It’s in Obama Care. Here is the real 411 the democRATS hid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HcBaSP31Be8#!

  • Obama’s donor is a male porn producer that makes millions with his illicit gay porno business. Obama is in the tape thanking the guy. http://youtu.be/PTx2AhtwMbU No wonder Obama FLIP FLOPPED on his views that up until Obama started tanking in the polls, WERE THE SAME AS Chick-fil-a’s owner. Obama is a sleaze and a pandering lying joke. He gave 500 Million to Solyndra and most of that went to Obama’s friends and donors. Obama must be arrested not impeached since his dual citizenship and foreign ties disqualifies him for the Presidency. He has overturned our Constitution dozens of time which violates his oath of office.

  • Obama was for traditional marriage and against same sex marriage in 2008. He needed the black and Muslim votes who are against gay marriage. The left loves the Muslim Brotherhood that has hijacked the democrat party, our intel agencies and military. They hang gays in the Muslim radical dominated countries. Now he is so desperate that he is counting on the intolerant gays (who want to infringe on Christians’ freedom of speech and religion). Obama is going to get help from the Fed so he can pay off people like he did in 2008. The “White House Insider” has been spot on with their leaks. Get ready for another stolen election.

  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    It’s just another example of what I long ago termed “Global Dumbing.”

    • wodiej

      I must have missed that study concluding all gay people are dumb. I’ve met a lot more dumb straight people.

      • Nukeman60

        Like the ‘free water’ dude. He said he was straight, but he sure was dumb as a box of rocks.

        I don’t think E. Lee was saying all gays were dumb, just like I don’t think all gays were here at this protest (maybe 10 or 12, to my estimation). The dumbness comes from their comments, not from their sexual orientation. There can be bigotry on both sides, here.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Yeah, who ever said all gays were dumb? Looks like SOMEBODY might’ve had a li’l Freudian slip there. All I said was that the lady above is a fine example of the phenomenon I’ve long cited as “Global Dumbing.” One needn’t be gay to be dumb.

        Nukeman pegged it: bigotry exists easily on both sides.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    There goes those “tolerant” libs again being intolerant. What a bunch of hypocrats!

    • wodiej

      If everyone would just worry about their own business instead of sticking their nose where it doesn’t belong, the world would be a better place.

      • We have to stand up for our democratic allies or there will be none. A great example of freedom in action is the Iron Curtain coming down and our new eastern block democracies that will be destroyed if we tether our ties. It’s not just Israel that we stand with for the sake of world peace. If America is not the super power who stands up and liberates countries and backs them when invaded, who will? China? Russia? Iran? America can not afford more intervention or wars NOR can we keep giving money to countries that hate us. However, who will stand with the little countries when the wolves surround them? How does having more dictatorships NOT democracies get us to the goal of world peace? America was appointed for a special purpose and we do have a rendez vous with destiny. Whether we want it or not. Please listen to Reagan explain it before you decide. http://youtu.be/yt1fYSAChxs There are also great videos on tough subjects here > http://www.declarationentertainment.com/voters-guide-republicans

  • wodiej

    My civil rights were infringed upon when obama snuck into the wh.

  • GeorgiaPeachie

    What a Dimwit! Guess what? We are free to give OUR MONEY to any cause we like!! The libs wish they could take our right to free speech away!!

  • FreeManWalking

    Chic-fil-A should serve them the off-spring of same sex chickens.

    5 bucks a pop for an air bird sandwich.

  • FreeManWalking

    Is shem or herm admitting that Money is Free Speech?

  • Marriage is something that people feel is an ordinance, ordained by God, and such. Well, the First Amendment says Congress shall make so law respecting the establishment of any religion. This means if your religious beliefs oppress the rights to others right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then your wiping your ass with the Constitution when you should use your family Bible.

    • Congress is not supposed to make laws infringing on anyone’s rights. The Left sure tries to infringe on the majority’s rights. Marriage is not a right, it’s a privilege and has benefits that are derived from that status. Here’s the history on it > Origins of Separation of Church and State & First Amendment; American Heritage http://youtu.be/hf5LUpsh5Cc The notion that our culture is not based on laws derived from the Bible, implemented by faith-filled Founders for the purpose of creating a safe and law abiding society is absurd and a Leftist lie. Our Framers said we could not be free and a republic WITHOUT the law and just and moral citizens. The separation of church and state was about the Founders not wanting a declared religion like England had AND their deep commitment to have our country be a haven for the persecuted. They promoted freedom of religion. The very freedom that the Left now tries to oppress.

      Marriage is not a right. It is a benefit and a desirable status that helps promote stability and wholesomeness that benefits a society. It’s been that way for thousands of years. It is a privilege designed to protect women and children. It infringes on no other person’s rights including gays. Gays can have the same benefits of marriage via Civil Unions. The only reason that gays are pushing this is to push the Left’s agenda of destroying the very foundation of our culture and tarnish the long held view that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman, unique, holy and good for society. Civilization benefits from procreating couples who are legally bound to care for each other and their offspring. That is why the tax code benefits traditional families. The destruction of our morals and values are part of the Communist game plan first outlined in the “Naked Communist” and in front of the US Senate in 1963. Here’s the transcript http://www.scribd.com/doc/33760964/Communist-Goals-1963 Also see the Agenda documentary. http://agendadocumentary.com/trailer/ Gays don’t really want to be married. They just want to mess up our country’s values, principles and long held religious views for their own political gain. The Left can’t take over as long as our society still embraces and follows God instead of man made laws from government.

    • And Keith… you just said that we should use the Bible to wipe our “asses”. If you had said that about the Muslims’ Qu’ran/Koran, you would have a jihad declared on you and be killed. Listen to the leader of the UK Freedom Party facts & figures http://youtu.be/nZjOd-A5HDM You would be banned from Canada and the UK for hate speech and you would be sued. The very people that the democrats align with, are the people that are the most intolerant. What if we tried to boycott a gay restaurant or drive them out of town or block their expansion? Liberalism REALLY is a mental disorder. Watch Deaborn Michigan Muslims STONE Christians recently. Guess who the police reprimanded? The Christians. http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-muslims-stone-christians-in.html

    • stage9

      Your argument just leaped off a high cliff.

      1) Marriage WAS ORDAINED BY GOD alone!

      2) Marriage is supported by government for posterity’s sake.

      3) The Constitution was NOT written in the back room of a secular bar on a cocktail napkin; it was written by men who had a holy reverence for God and who wanted to ensure religious freedom for future generations. THAT’S WHY religious liberty is immortalized in the FIRST AMENDMENT — not the Second or third or 8th — but in the FIRST.

      4) The Constitution has its foundation the Declaration of Independence which reminds us that our rights as human beings are instituted by God — our Creator– not by a secular state.

      Also, even though Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin are typically the only signers studied today, almost half of the signers of the Declaration (24 of 56) held what today would be considered seminary or Bible school degrees. There were over two hundred Founders (fifty-five at the Constitutional Convention, ninety who framed the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights, and fifty-six who signed the Declaration) yet atheists can only site the two LEAST religious!

      5) Moral depravity offers NO BENEFIT TO A HEALTHY SOCIETY. History has proven this out ad nauseum. Moral depravity weakens the family and inevitably destroys the stability of society until it collapses in on itself.

      6) Our form of government was never established to endorse immorality:

      “[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” – John Adams (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

      7) By rejecting counterfeit marriage the government is in no way “establishing a national religion”. There are a plethora of reasons to reject counterfeit marriages without ever invoking the Bible. Here a re just a few without getting into too many details: High mental illness, high suicidality, rampant sexual promiscuity and infidelity, high rates of domestic abuse, and their admission that marriage as it has always been practiced is not their aim and never was.

    • Problem is marriage was the purview of religion in this country until the mid 1960’s when government took over licensing. So everything you think you know about marriage is incorrect.

  • theyjustcantstop

    the video shows it’s being filmed in ga.,where gay marriage is’nt legal let alone a right.
    which one of you in ga. is going to have your vote nutralized by her.

  • Please read the “Letter To Patriots” and pass it on if you feel it may enlighten others. There is important info regarding the recent Colorado Batman massacre in it too. http://www.scribd.com/doc/101871703/Letter-to-Patriots

  • tshtsh

    I do not remember the origin of this statement–a five to four vote does not mean it is constitutional. Well, the same thing applies to homosexuality, it is still a mental illness. Speaking of mental illness, people who kill themselves are ill and miserable and it is no one else fault should they put a period to their existence.

  • James1754

    Let me see if I understand this.

    1) you have a right to your opinion
    2) you have a right to donate your money as you please
    3) because I disagree with you, you are infringing on my rights(exactly what rights those are we do not have any idea)
    4) so we are going to protest and tells lies about you and your business in an attempt to bully you into shutting up.

    Now I think I understand what she was saying, just took me a while to figure it out.

    • stage9

      No one ever said social fascism was intellectually defensible.

  • So he can’t spend his money the way he wants? And that’s tolerance?

  • Randall Hayden

    Gays have no fewer rights than straights, and the same requirements for a marriage license apply equally to each person (some variations by state).

  • warpmine

    “I’m going to guess that if this conversation went on a little longer, “Citizens United” would have found it’s way in somehow. Just a guess.”

    No need to guess, it’s a foregone conclusion!

  • John Hofeling

    These libs. gay or not, give money to organizations that want to strip away my civil rights.
    But that’s ok because I am a Straight, White, Male over 50 and I don’t count. Homie don’t play dat.

  • John Hofeling

    @Amchaka: ROFLMAO!

  • I am for Gay rights 100% but sex either hetro or Gay or Bi..I dont want to see it in Public….<3