The Right Scoop
Yeah. I can agree that this particular issue is a better one to propose during a time when our country isn't sinking into oblivion.
Okay...can you explain his inconsistency with regards to auditing the institution? I provided the link to the video towards the top of this thread, if you haven't already watched it. When candidates flip-flop, that's just not a good sign...especially when they do so early on. Congress screwing up the Fair Tax was exactly the point I was making in regards to "in order to work properly." Congress isn't very likely to repeal the 16th Amendment and the IRS...but no matter WHICH party controls them...they're ALL OVER enacting new laws (Fair Tax being the one here) without thinking twice about it. That's why I say that most likely, the Fair Tax would become the European system of a SALES AND INCOME tax...because the latter would not be repealed.
It truly is just a poll anyway. There were polls right before Clinton was elected which stated that he had only 5%. What happens? He gets elected not only once, but twice.
So...I can agree with you that early poll numbers really mean a whole lot of nothing if nothing else.
The Federal Reserve is pulling the man's strings. It's a gut feeling you get when you know you're being lied to which leads me to believe this from his past involvement with them and his flip-flop about whether or not to audit them.
Even the number one thing that sounds great about him...the Fair Tax uses new language to propose a new law like "prebate" and not to mention that the Fair Tax in order to work properly would require repealing of the 16th Amendment and abolishing the IRS which the chances of such a thing happening are slim to none.
Here's what I predict. If he gets into the White House...then he and the rest of the big government Rs will just enact the Fair Tax into law without doing the latter and we'll have Europe's system of an income AND sales tax.
Rand as VP would be pretty awesome. To answer your question, that's exactly what I'm getting at. Yes...I'm sure it might seem like legalization is the litmus test, but there are more important things and any and all Libertarians also understand that in order for drug legalization to work properly...the welfare state would have to go out the door with the drug laws.
On a different point though that you have to consider. Those who are using drugs despite them being illegal are also benefiting from the welfare state when they are taken into hospitals, so economically speaking...it would still be better to at least legalize the substances and tax them so that our society can at least get some funds from the activities prior to the care they might receive if they're stupid and O.D.
Just to reiterate though...the IDEAL way is to rid ourselves not only of the drug laws, but rid ourselves of the welfare state that taxes people for the care of these individuals instead of leaving them and them alone on the hook for their own mishaps.
What Islam needs is a reformist movement...just like the Catholics had to go through in order for Christians to actually gain rights and be treated better. This isn't going to happen through U.S. or any other government's intervention...but only through the transformation of the hearts of the people occupying those countries.
What do you mean "cost of elections to the states?" It would give any given representative, senator, governor and even the president of the U.S. only a single year. This would be good for many reasons, but lemme highlight the two main ones.
1.) If they're complete disasterous failures like say...Obama...then they can only do a year worth of damage (minus certain areas which consequences linger longer) instead of 4 (technically more actually) like he's doing now and those who are outraged can replace these posers much quicker instead of having to wait longer.
2.) If a leader really is truly great, then they won't want to continue grabbing for power after they've achieved what they sought out to do...therefore, they can actually get out honorably and properly without having to resign or commit some sort of felony scandal like it is with these people now.
Right now, Cain is the best of the field, and the only one on your list I would consider voting for. But, a black Bob Dole comes to mind. My candidate(s) are not yet on the list.
Best for who? Most certainly not us. Republican Obama does not have our best interests at heart.
Oh, I am just getting cranky... I have no plans this time around, if Gov. Palin chooses not to run. I am sick and disgusted with these RINOs, flip-flopping all over the place. They talk conservative talk in order to get elected and then cow to the Demoncrats, in the spirit of so-called "bi-partisanship." This election is really going to be about the establishment machine vs the American people. We need an establishment outsider on the GOP scene: Sarah Palin.
This just in; http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/16/trump-declines-run-president/
So sorry , "Trump-stumpers"
I just don't understand how you think T. Paw is better than the other candidates so far. That's all.
We'll agree to disagree then and I'll follow up with one more thing. If his lack of support for Israel (and every other country to keep it in its proper perspective for you) is your reason for not voting...sounds rather petty to me.
Who specifically are you talking about that he's aligned himself with?
So far, I've only heard him say the same consistent thing (and his voting record will prove it too) that he doesn't want us to provide foreign aid to them...OR ANYONE ELSE. It's not Israel he's against, but the concept of giving money to foreign countries when our own country is sinking that he's against.
We don't have the Constitutional authority to give foreign aid to other countries, especially the way we prop Israel up. It's not "anti-semitic" or "against Israel" to simply say "Do what you need to do, but don't ask us for permission or expect our help."
Haha. Nice. I never thought about it like that...but it's technically true. Personally though...one thing I would like to see is people getting to revote leaders on all levels EVERY YEAR. Give them ONE YEAR...let's see if they actually do anything worthwhile or if they're just going to think "Oh, I've got years that I can just sit on my high horse as long as I don't get caught up in a scandal." It'll definitely keep Obama from pulling this "I'll focus on the economy" and then shoving Obamacare down our throats and claiming "I need more time and money to deal with the economy."
I've heard that argument before. He doesn't hate Israel or Jews. He simply believes that we the U.S. should not be helping them OR hindering them. On other words...leave them to their sovereignty and allow them to do what they feel is necessary. What's anti-semitic about that?
I'm looking forward to seeing this all unfold. My job from here on out is to get more people to actually decipher the BS and learn what the truth is. Ya know...make an INFORMED decision.
Tyler, I agree with most everything you say. However.....There is a huge difference in being right and being electable. Ron is so right on so many issues, but I simply don't believe he can be elected on a national level.
Simon Cowell calls it the "It" factor. Ron Paul does not have "It". And before you hammer me on the American Idol reference, keep in mind this is the mentality, unfortunately, of the American People. LOL :-(
Me thinks you like everybody else is underestimating two things.
1.) Paul's actually got a growing "it factor" because of the philosophy he spreads being accepted by more and more people all the time.
2.) Obama has not delivered on his promises, so all those independents who voted for him before believing that he would actually bring a positive change...won't be there for him this time.
The "old guard" candidates (virtually being everybody except Paul and Johnson at the moment) aren't going to resonate with those independents the way that either of those two would. I choose Paul over Johnson because of a more vast experience and record to back up his philosophy and because he appears less timid.
Well Tyler, he did live up to one promise - he fundamentally transformed our country (AKA-Obamacare)!
As far as candidates, I really wish West, Palin, Rubio, Ryan, and/or Bachman would throw their hats in the ring. They are my candidates, although I would not be unhappy with either Ron Paul or John Huntsman. However, I do not think either Paul or Huntsman can win in the current lineup. The centrists will not go with either.
As the field stands, I would guess Pawlenty, Romney or Santorum would take the election. Cain I think has an outside chance for President, but I think he has a much stronger chance to win as a VP in this election, assuming his background does not turn out to be RINO.
I'm looking forward to seeing this all unfold. My job from here on out is to get more people to actually decipher the BS and learn what the truth is. Ya know...make an INFORMED decision.
I'm not an addict nor have I ever been. I actually have willpower. You see him as being nuts, but I listen to him talk and he makes much more sense than the other guys who are solely using talking points instead of more original thoughts and ideas when answering debate questions.
It really feels like the Cain voters are doing the exact same thing they did with McCain...just another giant mistake which is going to lose our country even if he does get voted into the White House.
He's not only understood the foreign policy of the Middle East, but he's actually able to tell you which groups are about what as opposed to just lumping them all in with "Islamofascists." That's the simple term to use to describe them all as opposed to understanding the actual differences. What's more problematic is this group lumping is exactly one of many reasons why our so-called "War on Terror" will never ever end as long as we continue to actually think it's somehow "keeping us safe."
Yep...that's why it will take an evolution of humans...and I do mean an actual evolution, not only in thought but even a physical and/or spiritual one.
I know we all hate Obama's guts here, but it's looking clear as day now thanks to the weak Republican field... anyone else willing to say 2012 is a lock for the incumbent?
I don't hate anyone. I hate Obama's policies...not him personally. Plus, it sounds like you're underestimating America's anger with Obama. Many still believe that he just needs longer...but many more and the number seems to be growing are angry because of his broken promise after broken promise about ending the warfare state but instead expanding it and instead of ending the warrantless wiretaps deciding that people shouldn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy on a cell phone. Every friend I have who voted for Obama and actually believed his crap are now voting for Ron Paul in these primaries.
Paulbots....I think that was created media hype from Fox News when they couldn't explain why he did so well in the polls back in the '08 election. It almost seemed like a planned attack by the right to discredit him. NO OTHER CANDIDATE who wins a poll is accused of having BOTS running around plugging polls. WAKE UP! He's a true American hero standing up for what's right and the establishment (on both sides) cannot fathom the loss of control they might have if he were elected. After hearing from the author of "The Creature from Jekyll Island', I'm convinced he was right on - you never hear the media or politicians on both sides ever criticize the FED because most are in support of it (Republicans & Democrats). Has it ever occurred to you that a candidate who is opposed to the FED might then be demonized from all those who support the FED. Ron Paul wants to abolish the FED - who else out there is saying this??? I wish people would quit always buying everything fed to them just because someone in the media said it (both sides, by the way). Ron Paul is the real deal!
Are you talking about something that's been tried before or are you just talking about YOUR ideal society here?
With the legalization of drugs would also come the end to the welfare state. The Libertarian philosophy also entails personal responsibility as well as personal freedom. Focusing on only one aspect of it is what allows people to distort things easily.
I wouldn't call them "peers." They are his enemies now that he's actually running against them.
I've already stated it a few times in this thread...The Federal Reserve. That alone should seriously make more Cainites go "Um...maybe not."
Some of the things I will be looking into with Cain and Paul are these and whoever has the best track record, consistancy and isn't afraid to address these issues is probably the person I will vote for:
-Economy - Stability and long term growth - Reduce wasteful spending
-Military -Have we forgotten why we have a military? Are we utilizing them effienctly?
-illegal aliens - Whats the best option and who is the best man to decide?
-Do we want our freedoms or do we want government control? Just b/c most people don't feel it we don't have the freedom we're suppose to have according to the constitution.
-Do we want gun control where only criminals carry guns?
-Do we want term limitations or do we want our government officials to die in office?
-Are animals finally more important than people? I ve had enough of Peta
-Are we saving the planet or playing another political game?
-Health Care- What do we do? The system is broke and people are suffering at no fault of their own, we are not a country that turns are backs on its citizens so what to do.
-Was Social Security made to help us or another way the government found to steal our hard earned money? Social Security isn't or wasn't included in the Budget b/c it was funded by YOUR tax dollars, but since the Gov't has ripped us off how do we fix it bc I ve been paying into it for 30yrs I want my money back and I'm sure any conservative person would agree that just handing someone your money is just not cool.
If you'll read this, I'll be glad to start you on your path.
You can't really go by record on these since Cain has never held public office before, but I can assure you Paul has the record to back all of your areas up if you just wanna look around hard enough...so let's go just by the words for now.Economy - Cain doesn't want to even so much as audit the Fed (well...after he said that he was behind Paul and all for it), but I dunno. Which one do you believe is his real stance and why would he lie about it? Paul wants to END it and has never said any different.Military - Cain believes that he needs advisement. Paul believes that much of our militarism is unconstitutional and we should resort to only having troops in places where they're actually needed and stop funding the military/industrial complex and has never said any different.
Illegal aliens - Haven't heard Cain speak about this, but I'm fairly sure he's gonna talk a good talk about securing the borders. Paul believes that immigration needs to be reformed through returning to a more open and free market.
Freedom vs. Government Control - Both candidates speak a good game here. Paul has the record to back up his convictions though.
Gun rights - Both candidates will talk a good game here. Paul thinks that even the registry system is unconstitutional since the 2nd Amendment says Congress shall make NO LAW.
Term Limits - I'm not sure if I've heard Cain say anything about this. I think I heard Paul state that he does believe in them, but the system needs to be fixed first or something to that degree.
Animals vs. People - I'm pretty sure both candidates are on the same page in word and in deed here that people are more important.
Health Care - Cain so far has said the same thing the others have said which is to repeal Obamacare, but has said nothing that I know of about any alternative. Paul has said he wants to repeal not only Obamacare, but the previous status quos of welfare including Medicare, Medicaid, the FDA's strict testing requirements for drugs and treatments, insurance companies' overhead/disaster ratios being government-controlled...on other words...a truly free market system like it was when he first became a doctor decades ago which means it will be cheaper and therefore more accessible to citizens and those who cannot afford it will be covered by private charities.
Social Security - Both candidates I'm sure are going to say the same thing about slow and steady reform...however, Paul is aware that it's not politically "safe" to do so yet he not only wants reform but to completely do away with the program altogether because no such thing is in the Constitution.
Here's another one you didn't think about that you might as well check out...taxation:
Cain keeps talking about the FairTax and Paul talks about a 10% flat-tax in exchange for the government not doing anything for anyone...just going back to its Constitutional limits. Based on Paul's record...I believe he will actually follow through. Based on Cain's affiliation with the Federal Reserve and flip-flop about them...I'm not sure any of the things he says he'll actually follow through with.
Info's presented...now...you can decipher as you wish.
Your username needs to change since you apparently hate the candidate who's more right-leaning here.
Thanks Tyler for going through that giving your thoughts and some of the facts that we do have at this point. Really hard for me at least to give Cain any support especially over Paul at this point. I think you said it best a while ago when you said "The Federal Reserve. That alone should seriously make more Cainites go "Um...maybe not." Everyone can talk a good game, but I can't think of anything positive an ex Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank would have for the PEOPLE. Thanks.
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