By The Right Scoop


If the current field of Presidential candidates ends up being the final field of Presidential candidates, how will they do?

The requirements to be listed in this 2012 Presidential poll is that the candidate has formally announced their run for President or they have formed an official exploratory committee for 2012.

That said, let’s get on with the voting!


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  • Tyler

    Poor Cainites…how you fail to see what’s right in front of you.

    • zytekfan

      Not everything has to be some kind of conspiracy. Just because Cain served as chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City doesn’t mean he’s some evil guy out to wreck the country. He could have had absolutely no say in Fed policy or he could have worked on policy, we won’t know until he says something about it. Also, being part of the Fed for that short time could give him the knowledge of what is needed to take care of the Fed Reserve problem. Also, remember the Federal Reserve Bank of New York is what sets most of the monetary policy.

      “Cain became a director of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City in 1992 and served as its chairman from January 1995 to August 1996, when he resigned to become active in national politics”

      At that time, there was a lot of public confidence in the Federal Reserve system, partially because people don’t know how it works and partially because the economy was in good shape.

      Now, let’s address the audit and end the Fed thing the Ron Paul army tends to go after Cain about. With the US credit outlook set to negative by Standard and Poor’s and surely the AAA credit rating on shaky ground, do you think releasing any more information than we already know would be helpful to the economy? The Federal Reserve owns the dollar and if the dollar is trashed, we’re done as a nation.

      The realistic thing to do would be to obviously get Bernanke out, put someone in charge who knows what they’re doing and the impacts of what they’re doing and begin a restructuring that will eventually have the Federal Reserve system replaced. Obviously we need the dollar to be backed with something of solid value, gold and silver maybe, but there are other things as well (definitely not solar panels LOL).

      I only says this all because a) there’s probably not more to the story of Herman Cain simply serving as chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City for a short time, because with it being an unpopular topic right now, it would be politically toxic to have some kind of negative baggage from time there. Of course, like I said, we have to wait and see if he decides to address that. And b) Now is not the time to kill the dollar, it’s time to kill Obama’s and Bernanke’s monetary policies.

      • Tyler

        C’mon, man.  You really think Bernanke’s that stupid?  He’s failed miserably under Bush and continues to fail miserably under Obama.  He’s tried quantitative easing multiple times now with no success and our dollar going down the tubes even faster than ever and only after the damage has been done does he “wisen up.”  You really think he “doesn’t know what he’s doing?”

        Would actually auditing (or better yet ending) the Fed bad for the economy?  Yep…but in a much shorter term than continuing to just trust in them.  The money says “In God We Trust,” not “In The Fed We Trust.”

        Cain’s already addressed the subject about actually dealing with the Fed in two separate spiels…but they’re opposite in spectrum coming from the same man.  I think someone else already provided this link, but I’ll post it here again in case you didn’t get the chance to hear his inconsistency.

        “Now is not the time to kill the dollar”  The dollar’s already dead…this country and the world have just simply not accepted that reality yet.  China and Russia as well as the IMF are already talking about the dollar no longer being the world’s reserve currency.

        The Federal Reserve is a private bank (not a government agency) which prints our money and lets us use it with interest.  How sane is that?  Seriously.  Ending the Federal Reserve’s power to print our currency and returning to a currency created (and capped) by us instead of a foreign banking cartel which is just another part of the IMF is exactly the “ripping off the bandaid” moment we need.

      • Tyler

        My bad.  With your comments in regards to not everything being a conspiracy…look closely at the back of a $1 bill.  Under the pyramid, it says “NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM” which is Latin for “New World Order.”  Just so we’re clear on who’s working for who…that is a Federal Reserve note which has that.

        • Anonymous

          Got an off topic question for you guys. Hypothetically speaking, say we ended the Fed. What do you think about government (not private industry like the Fed) printing our dollars, backed by nothing, but the growth of money supply tied very strictly to the rate of growth of the economy? What do you think the costs/benefits would be?

          • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

            Sounds like a Milton Friedman concept.  I  like it.  My only issue is how would one determine growth?  I don’t accept the Keynesian method of GDP as a good control standard.  Maybe standard of living standard or a products/services produced.  I like your idea in principle since the money that is printed by the FED is out of thin air anyway.

            • Anonymous

               Just something I’ve been mulling over. I haven’t ironed out those details yet, but it does seem to make sense in general. The way we’re doing it now really makes no sense, and it is hurting us.

              • Tyler

                The idea of money is kind of absurd anyway and a resource-based economy would be ideal…but people have to veer away from government dependence before we could ever even contemplate such a system.

                Until that day which will probably be long after any of us are dead…your idea sounds pretty ideal actually.  Precious metals sound nice, but the only reason they have any value is because people have given it value…on other words, if people placed the same value on these crappy notes that is placed on metals…then our dollar would be the single strongest currency without dispute. 

                • Anonymous

                  “… money is kind of absurd … resource-based economy …”

                  Tyler, that sounds like the Venus Project…

                • Tyler

                  It is the Venus Project.  I know it’s a utopianistic idea that will never happen as long as people are still clinging on so hard to the worldly possessions…but it does sound like the one true way to save not just our country, but the world as a whole.

                  Until such a day ever comes (if that’s possible), then the free market which we’ve strayed away from the past century is the best system that we need to return to.

                • Anonymous

                  It denies the reality of what money is, and ignores the problem that all central planning ideologies have had and will have because there is a fundamental misunderstanding (or denial) of markets pricing, resource allocation, and scarcity.

                  There is a reason even minimal states are plagued with wastes, and the USSR had surpluses (not a good thing) and shortages throughout it’s entire economy.

                  The true evironmentalists, true humanitarians, true egalitarians, and true lovers of freedom are the people who champion private property and the free market.

                • Tyler

                  Again…central-planning…bad idea.  I’m saying if a resource-based economy could be accomplished WITHOUT such…then it would be ideal.  Such an evolution is far far away if not impossible.  No worries, Dan.  I didn’t convert to communism/marxism here.

                • Anonymous

                  The Venus Project advocates, a super-computer centrally planning resource allocation in what essentially amounts to a “gift economy” advocated by anarcho-syndcalists.  Peoples needs are somehow predicted and addressed by this hypothetical computer or network of super-computers.

                  The word is “Technocracy.”

                  It even talks about a “post-scarcity world” once the market managing super-computer is put in place.

                • Tyler

                  Yeah.  Technology itself would have to evolve much more in order for such a plan to work…but also, we simply can’t deny one way or another that we are consuming resources faster than they are replenishing.  To me…I am not near as concerned with this as those who are actually fearful of their lives ending…but it is still a problem which one way or another someday down the road will have to be addressed and even the free market may not be able to pull that off.

                  Again I say…free market is the best of what has been tried so far and the hypothetical betters are yet to be tested.  Stossel actually did a pretty good episode involving people just moving to their own islands to try their own forms of governments, so some would prefer the Venus Project and I believe that’s being worked out by those investing and putting it together now…and there are other types of governments which could be tested on other islands in the future.  What will work best?  The free market WILL determine that one in such an ideal society with the island experiments.

                • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

                  Global warming is man-made too!  The economy, like the climate, ebbs and flows naturally, so I don’t buy into any kind of Venus Project or ANY controlled system.

                  The economy is more like the tides moving in and out than it is a machine that can be tinkered with.  We’d have better luck controlling the moon.  What we CAN do is provide an environment that is free and fair from the “crony-capitalism” we have now.

                  What most people don’t understand is that the natural downturns of the economy is what provides the opportunities for the next growth cycle.  What we don’t do is teach preparedness nor an understanding of opportunities for what they are.  This means we, as a people, think booms last forever and act accordingly (getting into too much debt) and are surprised when downturns come.  

                  To quote Jim Rohn, “…the next ten years are going to be like the last ten.  Difficulty mixed with opportunity.  Sometimes there seems to be more difficulty and sometimes there seems to be more opportunity, but that seems to be the way this planet was set up.”

                • h8theleft

                  but… but…. the guv can control these cycles dont you know.just ask em. 

                • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

                  LOL!!!  The guv wants to control U!   (…and me…) 

                • Tyler

                  Sounds like you completely misunderstood my last paragraph.  Global warming is very real…but man has little to nothing to do with it.  The sun’s flaring up more than ever and predictions say it’ll be even worse over the next year and a half.

                  My comment about the resources are simply the very resources we use to produce as well as food and water.  There are only a certain amount of these given resources and they do not replenish as fast as the ever-growing number of human beings continues to use and even worse…waste them.

                • Anonymous

                   I think climate change is a more accurate term.  I also think it is extremely egotistical of human beings to think that they have that much power.  IMO the earth goes through all kinds of cycles.  We have not been literate long enough to even document much of what has happened.

                • Anonymous

                   You have to make allowances for human nature.  That is why utopian ideas are unworkable.  Utopias soon turn into gulags or something along those lines because people are fallible.

                • Tyler

                  Yep…that’s why it will take an evolution of humans…and I do mean an actual evolution, not only in thought but even a physical and/or spiritual one.

          • Anonymous

            Anyone who tries to end the Fed (central bank) gets shot – that’s what the Kennedy assassination was about, also Lincoln & McKinley.  There are obviously a powerful “behind the scenes” group that thinks its a bad idea. They have to be dealt with first.

            • Anonymous

              There was no Fed when Lincoln was alive, and he signed a bill to establish a national bank of the US.

              McKinley was killed by a mentally unstable fan of Emma Goldman.

        • Anonymous

          Got an off topic question for you guys. Hypothetically speaking, say we ended the Fed. What do you think about government (not private industry like the Fed) printing our dollars, backed by nothing, but the growth of money supply tied very strictly to the rate of growth of the economy? What do you think the costs/benefits would be?

        • KenInMontana

           Actually the correct translation of “Novus Ordo Seclorm” is “New Order of the Ages” not “New World Order”.

          • Tyler

            Ah.  Got me there…but still not too far off from something a one world government would love to use.  But…I did get that wrong, so I apologize.  Still, the Federal Reserve and IMF are working with each other and it’s not good for us.  Anyone who thinks their policy of devaluing our dollar since 1913 is an accident is just a fool…therefore…”Republican Obama” will not only not get my vote, but I will continue to push this simple message to the masses who support this fella.

            • KenInMontana

               No problem it’s been mistranslated for years by the most prominent of C.T. “Scholars” which is something that calls their supposed scholarly credentials into question as it is “schoolboy” level Latin. Although I haven’t retained a whole lot of it from my parochial education, laziness on my part, seeing how it is almost as dead a language as Manx.

          • Anonymous

             I feel that we are approaching a new age of enlightenment as it were.

      • http://twitter.com/sometimesilie Dan

        Just to clarify, are you suggesting (“…do you think releasing any more information than we already know would be helpful to the economy?”) that we as a nation should be given inaccurate, incomplete, and fictitious information? Are you suggesting that this should be national policy?

    • http://profiles.google.com/jpmagnum pat sarver

      the ol fed line again.pls.come up w/ something original

      • Tyler

        You mean you also want me to include the fact that he’s charismatic, well-spoken, able to use race in his speeches as well and is virtually the Republican equivalent to Obama?  Okay.  Thank you, come again.

    • http://profiles.google.com/jpmagnum pat sarver

      the ol fed line again.pls.come up w/ something original

    • h8 libs

      once again,tell me why ? 

      • Tyler

        His support of the Federal Reserve who’s destroyed our dollar slowly yet surely over the past 98 years isn’t good enough for you?  I don’t know what to tell you then.

    • Is_Sense_Common

       There is One Messiah. “Cainites” like me want to vote for someone who can lead our country and is not ashamed or afraid to use our troops as intended and has no problems with understanding right & wrong. Get over your “Fed-ish” – Paul is a guarantee of 4 more years of Barry. Quit acting like he’s the messiah – he’s got LOTS of problems – mainly, he’s not anywhere CLOSE to electable.

      • Tyler

        His “problems” aren’t in the general election with independents (who consist of most of the country and are very likely not to elect Barry twice since they’re not the leftist/socialist/communist base)…but with you old guard style Republicans who would gladly continue giving in to the R style of big government…and you can call it an “ish,” if you want…but you can’t deny the facts.  Their very policy is to devalue our money which has and continues to make us weaker as a country.  You can vamp up the military to twice and three times the level it is now and still our country will crash under the piling debt combined with the loss of our dollar’s value.  Again, Cainites…please open your eyes to what’s right in front of you.

        Oh…and Paul’s not the only one.  He just happens to be a little stronger than Gary Johnson and is a bit more of an intellectual heavyweight which people seem to not realize is going to be needed against Barry.

  • OHPLEASE

     Amazing how so many people are here all of a sudden, 83 votes at this time and the poll just started…C’Mon Scoop are you adding votes to Cain??

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      Here all of a sudden? The poll’s been posted for almost 45 minutes.

    • Tyler

      Now now.  You have to realize there are over a billion people who use the internet around the world.  I’m surprised there aren’t even more votes.  Probably when church lets out in other parts of the country…we might see more of a surge.

  • Anonymous

     Liberals and Progressives are Afraid of Sarah Palin Today More Than Yesterday….Liberals and Progressives are Afraid of Sarah Palin Today More Than Yesterday….

    • Tyler

      I don’t think they’re afraid of her.  She has in the past made herself an easy target.  She’s a little bit stronger now, but they’ll still do everything they can to discredit her…or anyone else who is running because that’s just how they operate.

      • Anonymous

         They judged her as an easy target and that was their first mistake of many.  Their heads are going to implode when she is the POTUS.

        • Tyler

          I can definitely I would prefer Palin as a 3rd place on this poll if she were added.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

      The same thing can be said about Rep. Paul — which shows how Progressive the leadership of the GOP has become. 

  • Anonymous

    Where is The Name of Sarah Palin in The Poll?

    We Vote for The Only LEADER who can DEFEAT Obama Next Year: Sarah Palin

    • Tyler

      Read more than just the headline before you go posting, ya wacko.  Haha.

      • Anonymous

        We Truely BELIEVE Sarah Palin will be a Presidential Candidate…. 

        • Tyler

          I don’t even have to tell yall who I chose on this poll, but I will definitely vote for Palin over anyone who willingly puts a D in front of their name at this point.

        • Bmcelroy79

          You people would vote for a dumbass like Palin ??? Tell me what she would do ? How is she going to do it ? This is not a popularity contest. Know your facts.

          • Tyler

            I would still choose Paul over Palin, but if Palin were the nominee to square off against Obama…she has a fairly decent record of actually stopping corruption (as in sending people to jail for it) when she was governor.

            • Anonymous

               Paul Will Never be POTUS… Forget it!!!

              • Tyler

                I’m not backing down on principles.  That’s what these primaries are all about.

          • Anonymous

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          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDAKYMXLZIRLMLGEZJXV3AOO7E Vorlath

            Look at her record in Alaska. More of what she did there… lower taxes, more energy at lower prices, getting rid of corruption, and working with everyone on both sides of the aisle just to name a few, that’d be quite the step up from what’s there now. With her position and experience on energy along with her views on national security, her fiscal aptitude and her conservative principles, I can’t find anything in there that I would describe as “dumbass”.

          • Anonymous

             Pray tell what “facts” do you have about Palin?  Remember the difference between a fact and your opinion and also remember context.  I know a lot of facts about her so if you want to get into it with me bring it on.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      @alammbrito2010:disqus  Has she announced yet? Has she formed an exploratory committee yet?

      What if she doesn’t announce? Who will you vote for?

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PC2NA2RV3TDTVVSNG5HWOWNE7I ASG

      Sorry to be the one to let you know this, but Palin’s unfavorable numbers, i.e. those who would never vote for her, are so high that she would lose against any Democratic candidate, much less Obama.  

      • Tyler

        She’s definitely got a more uphill battle than most candidates if nothing else.

      • Anonymous

         And who is reporting these unfavorable numbers?  The LSM?  Do you really trust them?

  • http://www.solitudeholdings.com/blog1/ Dan C

     Its cool. Palin has not announced yet. Rightscoop is not against her. No worries.

  • Debby

    Sorry, for me it’s Allen West!

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      @b417a8c031450ffbc14e939215577640:disqus He’s not running and he won’t be on your ballot.

    • Tyler

      You never know…as West himself said…”God” might just tell him to do it and if he’s a man of his word and that happens…he’ll go ahead and run.  I like the hypothetical “if this is all we’ve got” scenario.

      • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

         He’s also a man of his word. I don’t think he’ll go back on that.

        • Tyler

          Then those who support West should pray that “God” tells him to go through with it.  It’s already clear that “God” didn’t want the Huckster to run.  I want “God” to talk to our candidates more, if it’ll produce positive results. 

          • Bmcelroy79

            LMAO “God” told me to laugh at you.

            • Tyler

              It’s good to laugh.  If we had more laughter, our world would be a better place.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, for me it’s Sarah Palin!

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      @Jack1000:disqus what if she doesn’t run?

      • Anonymous

         Sarah Palin will run!

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

           You hope she will. But I also thought Huck would run and he’s not running. You just never know.

          • Anonymous

            why would you think Huck was going to run?  He never had the money, nor the support to run regardless of what the MSM  polls said.  If he had either he would be running today  instead of planning next week’s show.  His book tour was a complete bomb.

        • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

          I’m with you Jack.  None in that list will beat ever Obama.  Gov. Palin will shred Obama an a debate.  What do people think that the Sarahcuda has been doing since she left Alaska (beside preparing to run)?  She has not said that she isn’t running.  She only said that it is too early for her to start the primary campaign.  Just sayin’…

          • Bmcelroy79

            ROTFLMMFAO !!!! Palin ???? HAHAHAHAHA SHE IS A JOKE !!! Of ALL the people in AMERICA, this is who is going to save us ???? LMFAO !!!

          • Anonymous

            I disagree, anyone of them could beat Obama.  Heck, HiramHawk, even you could beat Obama.

            • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

              That right there, is the same mentality that handed the 2008 election over to Obama.  A RINO/ObamaLite candidate did not beat Obama then and will not win in 2012.  Someone needs to take Obama head-on in 2012 and not try to reason with him.  Obama is socialist trash and should be treated as such.  Palin will not shrink from that fight.

              • Anonymous

                You misunderstand me.  I will vote for the best candidate that I think will win based on the field.  If my candidate (Sarah Palin) is not in the field then I must choose the best available.  Regardless, whoever gets the nomination for the republican ticket will get my vote, even if it’s Ron Paul.  Why?  Because I will not vote for Obama and a no vote is a vote for Obama. 

                • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

                  Oh, I am just getting cranky…  I have no plans this time around, if Gov. Palin chooses not to run.  I am sick and disgusted with these RINOs, flip-flopping all over the place.  They talk conservative talk in order to get elected and then cow to the Demoncrats, in the spirit of so-called “bi-partisanship.”  This election is really going to be about the establishment machine vs the American people.  We need an establishment outsider on the GOP scene: Sarah Palin.

        • Bmcelroy79

           No she will not. She cant handle the media and stands no chance against Obama.

          • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

            The media will destroy anyone other than Palin, who runs against their precious ObamMessiah.  Palin is still standing (if you haven’t noticed)…

          • Anonymous

             You sure are getting your little panties in a wad about her.  For someone who thinks she won’t run you sure seem concerned and obsessed with talking about her.  Why not talk up your candidate of choice?

          • Anonymous

            She doesn’t need to “handle” the media, since she’s basically handed the media their own a$$.

        • Anonymous

          Jack, I hope she does.

      • Anonymous

         if  she doesn’t run?  then we lose  to Obama in a landslide.

        • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

           Undoubtedly, Unseen1

    • Anonymous

      Then I assume you didn’t vote Jack, which is a vote for Obama sadly.

      • Tyler

         If we get another RINO or BSer…then it won’t matter.  That’s why I didn’t vote in 2008 after McCain won the primary…and almost everyone on this list is one of those two this time around whether it be Cain’s involvement with the Fed, Gingrich’s questionable personal life, Huntsman’s personal endorsement from flippant McCain, T. Paw’s past support of Cap & Trade, Romney’s…Romneycare or Santorum’s virtual support of every big government agenda when Bush was pres.  

        That leaves only 2 in this current field that don’t fall under these categories and one is stronger than the other.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2A6HIPLFALQCHLNVDFOHJ5TZAM Barton

           just to help my buddy tyler out, http://www.themoralliberal.com/2011/04/19/texas-university-endowment-buys-1-billion-in-gold/

          now why would a liberal school do something like this!?!?

        • KenInMontana

           Who both happen to be career politicians. Career politicians are a big part of what is wrong with this country,besides the idiots that keep voting them in.

          • Tyler

            They’re technically career politicians, but they’re the only two who have been consistent and honest in their dealings.  They’re the only two who have consistently said no to the growth of government and voted against unjust law after unjust law.

            They’re the non-politicians in philosophy.

            I would rather have someone who has been in for decades and has been consistent than someone (even if they have never served public office before) who flip-flops about things.

            Honesty matters and that’s the truest change that we need above and beyond the pathetic talking points.

            • KenInMontana

               Pathetic talking points like these? “They’re technically career politicians”  “They’re the non-politicians in philosophy” In regards to Paul , I have stated my issue with him to you in a previous thread, I look at honesty as not something that is a matter of degrees, you either are or you are not.

              • Tyler

                I mean the same hashed out small-government talking points where candidates are just now starting to say things that Paul has been for decades such as “We need the government out of….” and “We need to cut spending.”  These are things Paul’s been talking about since before most of these other guys even thought about it.

                Is Paul dishonest or do you just disagree with him so vehemently on his foreign policy that you would rather vote for a fraudulent candidate who resonates more with you in that particular area?  If he’s dishonest, please lemme know what he’s lied about and I’ll gladly look into it.  Otherwise…I’ll hope for “God” to show you the light.

                • KenInMontana

                   I have repeatedly stated my view on foreign policy, it falls in line with that which Jefferson expressed in his first Inaugural Address. My issue with Paul is that when it comes to Federal Pork he puts in for his share like all the others,sure he may then vote against the bill even though he knows it will pass regardless then he says to his constituents when running for reelection see, I have brought home the bacon for you. To me that is intellectual dishonesty and it is that is the reason I oppose career politicians. I support term limits for all elected officials and favor the idea of a true citizen legislature.

                • Techgenius

                  “I support term limits for all elected officials and favor the idea of a true citizen legislature” COmpletely agree, very nicely said. Haven’t agreed with you on a whole lot in the past but I think I like your style. :)

                • Anonymous

                   We already have term limits built in.  It’s called voting.

                • Tyler

                  Haha.  Nice.  I never thought about it like that…but it’s technically true.  Personally though…one thing I would like to see is people getting to revote leaders on all levels EVERY YEAR.  Give them ONE YEAR…let’s see if they actually do anything worthwhile or if they’re just going to think “Oh, I’ve got years that I can just sit on my high horse as long as I don’t get caught up in a scandal.” It’ll definitely keep Obama from pulling this “I’ll focus on the economy” and then shoving Obamacare down our throats and claiming “I need more time and money to deal with the economy.”

                • Anonymous

                  Great idea – not one that would fly though, because of the cost of elections to the states.

                  “I’ll focus on the economy”

                  Yeah, he’s focusing on the economy – sending it on a fast downhill slide!

                • Tyler

                  What do you mean “cost of elections to the states?”  It would give any given representative, senator, governor and even the president of the U.S. only a single year.  This would be good for many reasons, but lemme highlight the two main ones.

                  1.) If they’re complete disasterous failures like say…Obama…then they can only do a year worth of damage (minus certain areas which consequences linger longer) instead of 4 (technically more actually) like he’s doing now and those who are outraged can replace these posers much quicker instead of having to wait longer.

                  2.) If a leader really is truly great, then they won’t want to continue grabbing for power after they’ve achieved what they sought out to do…therefore, they can actually get out honorably and properly without having to resign or commit some sort of felony scandal like it is with these people now.

                • Anonymous

                  Thank you for expounding for those who haven’t taken the time to process the info.

                   
                  I don’t have the figures handy at the moment but a ton of extra employees have to be hired (they are not all volunteers); election commissioner ofc. staff work 12 hour days for several days before and after the election. That’s not counting setting up of the many polling sites, tech support and many other expenses too numerous to mention. Since my daughter used to work for the election commissioner, I have more info at that level, but I’m sure there are a lot more expenses from the state SOS office down to the local polling place.
                   

                  I thought your idea was a GREAT one and still do. Since all elections are run and paid for by the states, it would be a hard sell – esp. at this time.

                • Tyler

                  Yeah.  I can agree that this particular issue is a better one to propose during a time when our country isn’t sinking into oblivion.

                • Tyler

                  He’s told the truth in full about why he does that, so there’s nothing dishonest about what he’s done.  He is simply giving his district’s tax dollars back, since the system’s broke and his no votes aren’t being heard by the big government folks anyway.  Think about it.  If you were in Congress and they were going to allocate…oh…let’s say $4 Billion out of the federal budget on pork projects and as hard as you tried to get these guys to vote against it…they went ahead and were going to do it.  Wouldn’t you want to make sure the people you were representing at least got some of that instead of just letting them get screwed with nothing in return?  C’mon, man.  That’s probably one of the hardest arguments I’ve heard against him to defend…but it makes enough sense the way he’s explained it and I’ll gladly word better for him.

                • KenInMontana

                  Pork isn’t “allocated” or doled out Tyler, you have to submit the projects to get funding for them. It’s still politics as usual and Paul is guilty of it like all the rest. If it were me I would be for submitting a motion that it be returned to the people for them to use as they see fit,and following it up with a motion to reduce the overall tax burden as when they end up with a surplus to spend on these inane and asinine projects it means that they are taking too much to begin with.These  pet projects are nothing more than theatrics so these idiots something to crow about come election day. He is just another career politician,end of story.

                • Tyler

                  The amounts for the spending bills?  Yes…the amounts are allocated.  That’s what I saw unraveling throughout that disasterous omnibus bill.  It was a certain amount and different people were pushing and shoving to get their piece of it.  

                  If that’s not how you see it then we’ll simply have to agree to disagree then…but he’s still the single most free-market, anti-imperialist, liberty-protecting candidate…period.

                • Tyler

                  There have been a few other politicians who have said that and followed by “We have to fix the system first” or something to that degree.  I want to keep in the few who are resisting the big government bandwagon.

                • Anonymous

                   Paul’s foreign policy is disastrous.  He really doesn’t seem to get Jihad and how it is being waged right here right now.  It is very problematic.

                • Tyler

                  He’s not only understood the foreign policy of the Middle East, but he’s actually able to tell you which groups are about what as opposed to just lumping them all in with “Islamofascists.”  That’s the simple term to use to describe them all as opposed to understanding the actual differences.  What’s more problematic is this group lumping is exactly one of many reasons why our so-called “War on Terror” will never ever end as long as we continue to actually think it’s somehow “keeping us safe.”

                • Anonymous

                  We will just have to agree to disagree on this one.  I believe that Ron Paul is an anti semite.  That is not gonna fly with me.

                • Tyler

                  I’ve heard that argument before.  He doesn’t hate Israel or Jews.  He simply believes that we the U.S. should not be helping them OR hindering them.  On other words…leave them to their sovereignty and allow them to do what they feel is necessary.  What’s anti-semitic about that?

                • Anonymous

                   Ron Paul has aligned himself with those who are against Israel.  That is a problem for me.  Anyone who does not support our ally Israel I am going to have a problem with.

                • Tyler

                  Who specifically are you talking about that he’s aligned himself with?  

                  So far, I’ve only heard him say the same consistent thing (and his voting record will prove it too) that he doesn’t want us to provide foreign aid to them…OR ANYONE ELSE.  It’s not Israel he’s against, but the concept of giving money to foreign countries when our own country is sinking that he’s against.

                  We don’t have the Constitutional authority to give foreign aid to other countries, especially the way we prop Israel up.  It’s not “anti-semitic” or “against Israel” to simply say “Do what you need to do, but don’t ask us for permission or expect our help.”

                • Anonymous

                  I understand where you are coming from I just do not agree.

                • Tyler

                  We’ll agree to disagree then and I’ll follow up with one more thing.  If his lack of support for Israel (and every other country to keep it in its proper perspective for you) is your reason for not voting…sounds rather petty to me.

                • Anonymous

                   You are entitled to your opinion but I do not find my reasons petty.  They are important to me.  When I contrast the way Israel treats women and children to the way the rest of the Middle East does that tells me a lot.

                • Tyler

                  What Islam needs is a reformist movement…just like the Catholics had to go through in order for Christians to actually gain rights and be treated better.  This isn’t going to happen through U.S. or any other government’s intervention…but only through the transformation of the hearts of the people occupying those countries.

                • Anonymous

                   There are a lot of things that I like about Ron Paul but this article sums up why I will not vote for him.  http://dontletitgo.com/2011/05/11/why-i-wont-vote-for-ron-paul/

                • Tyler

                  Yep.  Distortions at best…but it’s your call.

              • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

                 “I look at honesty as not something that is a matter of degrees, you either are or you are not.”
                ~my buddy, KEN~

                Aye.  That’s IT, period.

                Sackett

        • halfmadjesus

          You weren’t alone in the McCain apathy, Tyler. A lot of strict conservatives were in the same “no vote” boat with you, which is one of the reasons Obama won and we now have the massive entitlement program he enacted. An entitlement program which will probably never be fully repealed, regardless of the lip-service being paid to doing so by some politicians.

          McCain is a giant RINO-progressive, he ran a pretty inept campaign, but everyone other than straight-up leftists should have supported him, because it was clear to those paying attention who Obama was from the get-go. Yes, having to choose between a giant douche and a sh*t sandwich does suck, but not making a choice at all has its consequences, also – sometimes consequences we may never be able to get out from under.

          • Tyler

            Which style of big government do you want?  That’s the question to be asked.  To me…both dudes were essentially the same.  If it wasn’t healthcare, then McCain would have probably gone stronger with something else.  The Supreme Court’s gonna have to take these state suits, so it might still yet be deemed unconstitutional yet.  Also…even though it’s harder to repeal a law than it is to create one…it is possible.  It’s all about steering the boat in the right direction.  I live in Oklahoma where the electoral college all voted McCain anyway, so my one vote truly wouldn’t have mattered anyway.

      • Anonymous

        A vote for Obama?

        It’s a damn meaningless internet poll. 

        Give me a break. 

      • Anonymous

         then I guess Obama  will win.   Oh well not much difference between Obama and mitt anyway. 

  • Anonymous

    What a sad group!  If this is all we got, I’d have to go with Pawlenty.  But my heart isn’t in it. 

    • Tyler

      I hope you know that early flip-flopping (Cap & Trade being the case with this one) is not a good sign of what will happen if he gets into the Oval Office.

      • Anonymous

        Let me restate what I just said in more understandable language…
        If Elmer Fudd had the republican nomination and the only thing bad about him was that he voted for cap and trade and hunted bunnies – I would vote for him over Obama. Capiche?

        • Tyler

          Right…so you’re another one of those people who believes that a guy who flip-flops and is clearly dishonest is better than one of the two who don’t and aren’t.  Content versus “charm.”

          • Anonymous

            Pawlenty is NOT my first choice, but if the republican field is as RS’s Poll has it above, then Pawlenty would be my choice.  And it doesn’t matter who gets the nomination from the field above, I will vote for them over Obama!

            You all seem to think that because I would vote for Pawlenty that he’s my first choice – he is not.  Here’s my order at the moment based on whose running and who might run…

            1.  Allen West (says he’s not running, but if he were…  Nice VP pick also)
            2.  Sarah Palin
            3.  Michele Bachmann
            4.  Tim Pawlenty

            There is actually someone that I wish would run and that is Sam Brownback.  I love him and would have voted for him in the 2008 election if he hadn’t withdrawn before the primaries.

            • Tyler

              I just don’t understand how you think T. Paw is better than the other candidates so far.  That’s all.

            • Anonymous

              You wouldn’t happen be from KS where Brownback is now govenor, would you?

              btw – Like your list – esp. the first 2. 

        • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

          Hey Hippie, do you have any idea what cap and trade is???????  Geesh, cap and trade is a friggin’ DEAL BREAKER!  If any of the contenders EVER supported it, in any form, or at any time, they are as serious a threat to liberty as is Obama and his minions.

          • Anonymous

            Yes I know what cap and trade is!  But this isn’t about Cap and Trade to me,it is about getting Obama out of office!  And if that means voting for Pawlenty, then yes I would do it.  But let me state, Pawlenty is not my first choice!

  • ED.S

     I’m wondering if someone can explain how Cain who was part of the FED for quite a while and also fought for them when it came to internal audits would be good for the PEOPLE of this country? The FED never has and will never have OUR best interest at heart, so I fail to see how this man could be good for the country..maybe great for the FED but not for me at least. I’m sure everyone knows well any adult knows that any and all politions lie when giving their speeches and media interviews just to sound good, so is their anything that this man has Already Done (not what he says) that I can look at so I can possibly change my mind about him?

    • Tyler

      Lemme know when you find that.

  • Ferry

    Ron Paul interview coming up on Fox with Wallace in a few min. 

    • Tyler

      Already happened…and just as he did with Matthews…Paul spanked Wallace’s behind on national television.

  • zytekfan

    The Ron Paul army distorting the poll in 5, 4, 3…

    • Miked

      Well that will just even the Cain playing field..:) 

    • Tyler

      Distorting?  Army?  This is an assumption that people are placing multiple votes for the man.  I only casted one and that’s all I plan to cast…because I am honest and I want honesty to finally be introduced into the system hence why I chose him instead of the other guys who as far as I can see are lying sacks of dung.

      Also…it looks like Cain’s got all the votes here, so I don’t know what “distortion” you’re even talking about. He is the R version of Obama plain and simple. It’s sad that more of you fools don’t see that. He’s a “smooth talker” like Obama. He lies through his teeth just like Obama. Forget the Obama Zombies…I think we now have Cain Zombies. Just sad, people.

  • BigM

     Right now for me it’s Herman Cain, but if West jumps in (hoping) this guy will simply blow BHO out of the water. 

    ___________

    Also let’s be aware that the press will be pushing hard for Daniels & Huntsman constantly. The least qualified and from what I’ve heard, not 100% conservative.

    • Tyler

      Daniels at least has a record to back up his fiscal conservatism, so I would choose him over your Cain.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2A6HIPLFALQCHLNVDFOHJ5TZAM Barton

     Since I am pretty sure I know who Tyler and Dan voted for(including me), I want to pose this as a question to them(us paulers)…….

    The idea of Paul winning would be great, but, thinking along the lines of what voted BHO into office, the young vote wants a young, good looking candidate. Is Paul going to be able to draw them in(with his looks)? That is the part that I think kills his chances at winning(though he would be the best for the country)……age. Age is going to be his downfall, just like it was McLame’s downfall(among other things). I want to see what YOUNG choice there is, Ryan being one, but, even this group is likely to loose due to age issues, and not having “that look”.

    • Miked

       I don’t think so…Paul says things that others are afraid to even whisper, thats what I admire from him. Paul is willing to put everything on the line which means he could care less of what anyone thinks of him, so basically he does what he believes in not what certain people want to hear.

    • Tyler

      I’m a philosophical man in this sense.  I have seen more and more people (including virtually all my friends who voted for Obama) wake up to Ron Paul because they are actually educating themselves now that being willfully ignorant has screwed them over.

      It’s up to not just the young people, but the old guard to snap out of their slumber and educate themselves instead of just accepting talking points and/or good looks or charisma.  Hitler was those things in Nazi Germany and Obama was those things in this last election.

      If the evolution (note: I didn’t say revolution…I said evolution) doesn’t happen by November next year…then I will chalk it up to the people aren’t ready for real reform and don’t mind the continuing pathway to totalitarianism.

      To better yet answer your question though of say…who a second place is should say something unfortunate happen to Dr. Paul…that would be Gary Johnson. I’m always going to choose substance over “who’s prettier” or “who can speak better” even if the masses don’t.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2A6HIPLFALQCHLNVDFOHJ5TZAM Barton

        I agree man, trust me, i am with ya on this one. I just worry about the “tards” in college who know more about who was on american idol than politics, cause they still get to vote, and, sad to say, they are the block that turns out the most. I just worry that he may fall to the age debate like mclame, that is all i am worried about. he could kick bho’s butt with duct-tape on his mouth, lol.

        • Josh

           From what I understand, Paul actually has a considerable following from the younger crowd.  NPR did a story on it this morning…

          http://www.npr.org/2011/05/16/135990053/ron-paul-why-the-young-flock-to-an-old-idealist

          I know.  NPR = yuck, but it is on topic…

          • Tyler

            The young folks are the ones more so who are actually waking up.  The older folks are the ones more so who are stuck to their social conservative ways and illusions that wars are keeping them safe.

    • Anonymous

      Honestly,  if Paul was the republican nominee against Obama I would vote for him, but until that happens I will not. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

    RON PAUL all the way….. 

  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo The Wizard of Oz

    With this list of Repubican candidates, I could see a swing over to the more libertarian guys-

    I know nobody controls the list, and it should be a good measure, but it’s PATHETIC.  As far as Herman Cain goes—- I can’t trust the guy….everything he says is like a simple minded one liner that is meant to rally his base.  He’s clueless on a lot of things!!!  The only thing he seems to have is his business background.  His dismissal of the fed is enough for me to stay far away because he is either lying or covering.

    • Tyler

      Say it with me, Oz…the “Republican Obama.”  I think I’m just gonna start calling him that now.

    • Anonymous

      I like Cain  but  like you  i don’t trust him. 

  • Demo

     I like Paul for many reasons but one of them is that are democracy is and has been run by Dead People. Times change and people change and their is no reason why we as a country should continue to run this country as it was many moons ago. Do any of you run your households the way your great grandmother did? Probably not b/c time and people change so does the way we do things

  • http://twitter.com/youngkitz Jared Kitzrow

     So many votes for Cain is disheartening. He is a complete unknown entity.

    • Tyler

      I wouldn’t say completely unknown…but it is disheartening nonetheless. 

  • http://www.neodacon.com Neodacon

    dis is a good poll vote 4 da top tier neodacon

    • Tyler

      I’m not sure he’s so much top-tier neocon as much as he is just a shill for the Federal Reserve which transcends such terms.  No offense to you or anybody else with this regards, but I really wish that people would stop using the term “neocon” regardless of whether you know what you’re talking about or not.  That terminology just doesn’t fit into the larger fight against the New World Order.

      • http://www.neodacon.com Neodacon

         my name is neodacon an you can see my political commentary at neodacon.com

      • http://www.neodacon.com Neodacon

         not sure what happen but if you wanna understand neoconservatives you can click my website, i tried to comment before with my website name but it got deleted

        • Tyler

          I understand what a neocon is and what they’re all about…but it’s still irrelevant in the larger fight against big government.  Plus…when you call people neocon whether they are or not…it immediately puts them in “defense mode,” so even the most logical arguments will not be comprehended due to the “wall” they’ve built.

          • http://www.neodacon.com Neodacon

             im neodacon you must be onea dem paulies who tinks he knows everything das why i have might webbsite to expose paulies

            • Tyler

              Um…yeah.  I’m gonna go over here now.

  • Anonymous

    Not including Gov Palin is not only intellectually dishonest but it makes your poll totally irrelevant.

    ps: Was the poll sponsored by the “useful idiots” at the leftwingnut home of the NYTimes? 

    • Jessie222

       Why would you included a poll that included a canidate that isn’t a canidate? That makes no sense whatsoever.

      • http://twitter.com/isleofyouth PhilipJames

         that is why we need a none of the above….
        since I would not vote for any of these.

        • Tyler

          Really?  You would just let Obama or another D get the presidency if these were all the Rs you had?

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo The Wizard of Oz

             This poll does not include Obama— it’s more of a primary poll.  I don’t think anyone here wants Obama v2, but if the primary choices suck, then you can see how there will be fewer people to turn out to vote against him.

            • Tyler

              I live in Oklahoma.  My state’s got the R vote no matter who wins the primaries. I literally do not have to turn out to vote in the general election for that very reason since my state has such strict rules to prevent 3rd party ballot appearances in general elections.  That’s why the primary vote is so important to me.  I want the right guy on there…not another McCain.

    • KenInMontana

      How so? The poll includes only those that have officially announced that they are seeking the nomination. Had Palin announced she would have been included. You need to work on those reading comprehension skills.

      • Anonymous

        LOL – many listed have NOT formally announced.

        But then being a liberal/socialist apologist means not having to be consistent. 

        • Tyler

          There’s also the part about having put together an exploratory committee.  So…that’s the other requirement.  Maybe reading the whole thing instead of the headlines might help next time?

        • KenInMontana

          Not sure where you get “liberal/socialist apologist” crap, unless of course you’re just another zealot that is here to whine and smear.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       It’s a poll on the current field of candidates. Read the requirements.

      It’s not my fault Sarah Palin hasn’t announced or formed an exploratory committee.

    • Anonymous

       Until she announces it would be dishonest to put her in the poll.

  • mexican-american voter

    herman cain is the white GOP apologists answer to “barrack obama” because the GOP wants to apologize for appearing so hateful towards a black candidate who won the elections in 2008. Im not gonna beat around the bush as a mexican-american voter…Herman Cain is the black answer for most GOP ignorant voters because they think black vs black can win. Herman Cain is ungodly for promoting war without an objective,casting stones hah. Who in their right mind would think Herman Cain is going to actually win the elections with such hate and vitrial that he would perpetuate the war in afghanistan which has now reached 10 years. Vote Herman Cain so the government can send more troops and new recruits into afghanistan..even most likely call for another 30,000 troop increase. Most of you coward voters wouldn’t send your own kids to afghanistan.

    • Tyler

      There’s no need to call them “cowards.”  Ignorant maybe…but no need to call them “cowards.”  Other than that…thanks for pointing out the other issues with Herman Cain that I didn’t bother spewing.

    • KenInMontana

       I would never “send” or order my son into the military, that is a decision for him and him alone to make. Not sure where or when Cain has stated that he would escalate the war in Afghanistan. You sound like an O-bot drone to me, in which case I would point out the fact that he has done very little to get the troops out of there. He has in fact escalated the war beyond his predecessor.

      • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

         “he has done very little to get the troops out of there. He has in fact escalated the war beyond his predecessor.”

        …and that gutless ENEMY-Domestic has FUBAR’d them with ROEs INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED to give aid and comfort (and incredible battlefield ADVANTAGE) to the Enemy…

        …as well as to KILL, MAIM and DISHEARTEN our citizen/Warrior-HEROES.

        Sackett

        • KenInMontana

           Nailed it you did. :)

        • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

          Amen. 

    • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

      Since you seem to enjoy “not beat(ing) around the bush”, here’s a cold, hard FACT for you: 

      There is NO SUCH THING… as a ‘mexican’ AMERICAN (or ‘african’, ‘italian’ or ‘lower-slovenian’ AMERICAN).

      You are either an AMERICAN… or a misplaced expatriate (in need of a bus ticket HOME) of whatever country you put FIRST in your (-) hyphenated world.

      PERIOD.
      CM Sackett

    • Mikemorrison281

      I would gladly vote for Cain and my son is headed into the Marines as a college graduate into OCS. Now what? 

    • Anonymous

      Mind reading is hard, especially other people’s minds.

      I doubt you have the ability to know all that racial mumbo jumbo you are claiming lives in “white GOP” brains. Either that, or you are so focused on race that you can’t see any other possible explanations.

  • Anonymous

    Pawlenty + Bachmann = THE WINNING TEAM for America !

    • Tyler

      Cap & Trade Pawlenty?  Really?

      • KenInMontana

         Well there is one thing you and I agree on.

        • Tyler

          I think overall…the largest disagreement you & I have is about the “War on Terror.”  The only other one as of recent I can think of (I’m using another post of yours in this thread as example) is that you think Ron Paul’s somehow a liar even though I’m yet to hear him really say one thing and do another action-wise.

      • Anonymous

        If Pawlenty was the Republican nominee against Obama, you bet your everloving life I would vote for Pawlenty!

        • Tyler

          Me too…but we have got to do better than that in the primaries.  It’s doing crappy in the primaries last time which got us McCain.

          • Anonymous

            Tyler I share your frustrations.  I hate the field as it stands.  McCain was my last choice in the 2008 primary, but what could I do when given the choice between McCain and Obama.  It also helped that he picked Palin as VP, but times are what they are.  This is becoming a sad thread…

            • Tyler

              It really feels like the Cain voters are doing the exact same thing they did with McCain…just another giant mistake which is going to lose our country even if he does get voted into the White House.

    • Anonymous

      Bachmann has two years in the House.

      She has never held an executive office. Her service in the House has produced no legislation. 

    • http://twitter.com/sohali2012 SH

      Oh, gosh. All MN ticket.Not even allowed by Constitution. Let’s get a grip, people.  

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

       Can’t happen…they are from the same State (MN), which the Constitution prohibits.

  • Anonymous

    Leaving Daniels, Trump  and Palin off this poll makes it worthless 

    • KenInMontana

       None of them have filed as candidates as of today have they?

      • Anonymous

        oh so that is the new requirement .  I see  how that changes since huck  said no.   In this pre primary stage  polls include(until yesterday)  those that have strong support and that have not ruled out  running. 

         got to love it.  

        Daniels, Palin and Trump have not ruled out running,  they all have very strong support with fractions of the party.  Doing a poll without those three front runners  is a worthless effort.  You might as wel poll Donald Duck and Mickey mouse.  It would be  about as meaningful.

        • KenInMontana

           Have any of the three you mention, Daniels, Palin or Trump even formed exploratory committees? All I have seen from Trump is theatrical rhetoric, Daniels has repeatedly stated that “he’s still thinking about it” and Sarah has been mum about it. Of those three I would like to see Gov.Palin run but thus far she hasn’t given any indication that she will.

          • Anonymous

             Palin mum on it?   Palin has stated since NOV  she is thinking about it  then Palin stated last week  it is too early to throw her hat in the ring.   She did not say she was thinking about it,  or  she didn’t know.  she stated it was too early to throw her hat in the ring.

            • Techgenius

               Yes, so a poll is put up of those canidates that say I am running. As you stated, Palin said she was THINKING about it. From what I have learned over the years in school and just living life a big difference between I am and I’m thinking about it.

              • Anonymous

                 that was in response  to ken saying she has been mum on the subject.  

                As far as the poll  my comment was that it is meaningless if three of the front runners that have been  active in the process to this point are left out.  Simply because huck said he wasn’t running does not change the equation  for the others still making up their minds.  they are considered serious  potential candidates until they say  no.    Personally  out of the three I think Daniels and Palin will run and Trump will not.  Still that is an opinion  not a fact and until  all three say yeah or nay they are considered as part of the story.

              • Anonymous

                 hmmm what do you think an exploratory committe is  about.  it allows the candidate to “think about running”   some like Palin has said if she gets in she will not do the exploratory committe dance.  So since Mitt, Tpaw, Cain  and Santruom are still “thinking about running”  I guess they shouldn’t be included either.  

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

              Run or Don’t Run, there is no room for “Thinking about it” 

              • Anonymous

                Sure there is.  Bachmann is thinking about it,  Cain is thinking about it,  Mitt is thinking about it.    the only  ones to declare so far is  Newt, johnston, PAul   i think.  everyone is  still at some stage of thinking about it.

            • KenInMontana

               I have yet to hear her say she was “thinking about it”, but I have heard her ardent supporters repeatedly try to extrapolate it from her comments and speeches. If she is thinking about it she had best get moving in that direction, it was procrastination that did in Fred Thompson’s bid for the nomination.

              • Anonymous

                In fairness to those not yet declared: with Teh Fred, procrastination ambled alongside the campaign, causing slow reactions to everything, and making him look unprepared, or worse, uninterested.

                So getting in way after the early birds wasn’t all that drug him down.

                Man, that was awful to watch. I had high hopes for him until his very first campaign speech.

              • Anonymous

                 She has stated in many times.    On hannity, greta, Walters, GMA, E! 

                here is  just one.

                 
                http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/17/palin-says-shes-considering-2012-presidential-bid/

                Palin Says She’s Still Considering 2012 Presidential Bid

                Sarah Palin says she is still thinking about running for president in 2012, but has not made up her mind.
                In an hour-long interview in front of a New York business group, Palin said the hiring of a chief of staff last week for her political action committee was an attempt to better organize her life.
                She demurred when asked about former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s comments that he might be inclined to run if she does. She called him awesome but didn’t elaborate.
                The Republican former vice presidential candidate and Alaska’s ex-governor appeared before 1,000 business and civic leaders Thursday on New York’s Long Island.
                Palin forecast an unpredictable presidential election season that will be heavy on social media

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

           It’s a poll on the current field. Is Palin, Trump, or Daniels in the current field? Have they filed exploratory committees? Have they announced yet?

          • Anonymous

            hey  it’s your poll.  I’m just pointing out  not having three front runners in your  poll  makes it meaningless.
             

            • Anonymous

               Then don’t vote.  Problem solved.

            • Anonymous

              It makes it meaningless to you maybe.   No need to be invalidating because the poll isn’t to your liking.

          • Anonymous

             I’m not sure why folks are having trouble with this.

            I’d vote for Palin, but she’s not on the list, so I went with the best one on the list.

            I swear, it’s like, “pick a number from one t-” “THIRTEEN!” “-o ten.”

  • Jessie222

     HOLLY COW…Looks like Paul took a huge lead in the polling

    • Tyler

      I’m sure some will say that’s a distortion.  Maybe it is…but even if it is…as someone else said here…it’s a pointless internet poll anyway. 

      • KenInMontana

         If it is so pointless,then why are you here stumping for your candidate? Besides the polling form Scoop is using allows for only one vote. Go ahead try to log a second vote.

        • Ed S

          I second that, the poll doesn’t use a cookie to determine if you voted, but from you IP address.

          • Sam

            I have not done this, however, release ip address, change router MAC address, and renew. Walla, new IP. I’m sure the Paul voters no this. (I voted McCain) 

            • Sam

              (I meant KNOW) 

            • Techgenius

               HAHA, release and renew your IP? What you’re doing is releasing your private IP address not your PUBLIC. The only way to release your Public is to turn off your modem for a min or several min and in some cases especially with Cable modems it takes a lot longer. DSL resets within 7min and Cable sometimes takes 30min depending on your service and thats only if your ISP hasn’t given you a static IP which then you can’t change. Point being their isn’t aenough time in the day for even several people to reset their modems to gain that many votes. MAC address isn’t whats being tracked, simply the public IP. Network Engineer 22yrs.

              • Sam

                Ok, I meant the router IP, and I just did it twice to test it. (sorry scoop) Knock 2 points off of Paul since I chose him for my test because it is obvious he is getting ahead through this and other cheating methods.

                • Tyler

                  If people are going out and doing what you’re saying…then they’re just in a sad state of affairs and further proves the point that internet polls are meaningless.

        • Tyler

          I wouldn’t dare do that in the first place, so I wouldn’t have even known that without you telling me.  What I mean by people calling it a distortion is that just because there happen to be people who would favor Paul and perhaps more of them…that doesn’t mean it’s a “distortion.”  Also…the other part was that it’s relatively meaningless because even if hypothetically Gary Johnson or Jon Huntsman Jr. got 458,395,208 votes on this internet poll…there’s only going to be so many people who will be voting, not all of them use the internet and clearly…many of them are yet to understand that the concepts of freedom and liberty are much more important than the warfare, welfare and political reputation of the suits going for it.

  • http://twitter.com/isleofyouth PhilipJames

    Can you put up a none of the above so Sarah Palin supporters can click on that one?

  • Faitho4hope

    We’ve seen the Democrats ‘change’. Now it is time to put a real Leader in the White House.  Cain is the remedy for the race-blame game that the liberals enjoy playing. They love blacks, as long as they stay as Democrats. If a Black man or woman chooses to vote contrary to the Democrats agenda, then they are treated as runaway slaves were.    They need to learn that the ‘uncle tom’ was the one who ‘stayed on the plantation’.  Herman Cain has Proven that he does Not Need the Democratic policies to be a Leader.   Herman is a Leader for all, and not just for some politically select few. 
     

    • Tyler

      He’s the leader who’s gonna help Bernanke finish killing our dollar.

  • Techgenius

    I see many people are taking a great interest in this poll seeing how Paul has taken a huge lead. Thx :) 

    • Anonymous

      So will this be his 3rd , 4th or  5th time losing ?

      i wish  Ron would have stepped aside and allowed his son to run.  At least rand Paul  isn’t stone cold  crzay  yet like his father

      • Tyler

        Can you tell me one thing Rand has said that’s DIFFERENT than Ron?  Please.  Give me one.  There might be some things Ron’s said that Rand HASN’T…but what is DIFFERENT other than their age and ability to articulate certain things?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_YJQN3P23W7NSOANKTCQAQWLHE4 Jason Gramling

    This is why uninformed people should not be allowed to vote. Maybe some people in here need to pick up a pocket Constitution and read it. There are a few people in here who act like choosing a President is some sort of high school popularity contest. If you are seriously thinking of voting, maybe some of you should look at a candidate’s record on upholding their oath of office. I used to think Dr. Ron Paul was crazy, until I read some of his books and really started to understand what he was trying tell people. Let me explain to you the plain and simple truth. The Republican primary is rigged. Ron Paul will probably not win, because Romney was already pre-selected in 2008, after he dropped out. I will still be voting for Ron Paul, because I am confident in his honesty and principled judgement. If you want to know who will be the Republican ticket. It will be Romney/Bachmann. Romney for the establishment and Bachmann “the Tea Party hijacker” to please the Tea Party. Just watch…It is so predictable.

    But I will vote with my heart and mind for Ron Paul. !For Liberty and the Constitution! 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.

      Amen.

      For Liberty & the Constitution! 

    • Tyler

      If what you say is true…then I think I’ve got another $100 bet to make with my old man.  I made the bet during the D primaries that Obama would be the next POTUS.  My old man told me I didn’t know what I was talking about and took me up on it.  He mistakenly believed that I voted for Obama just because I won that bet.  Nah.  I just happened to see “Well-articulated black man saying everything that the majority of people want to hear about hope and change?  Yeah.  Unfortunately, he’s gonna get it no matter what.”

  • Anonymous

    Please Put The Name of Sarah Palin in The Poll ..

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       No. I’ve explained this to you. It’s not my fault she hasn’t announced yet. But she hasn’t.

      • Anonymous

         Huntsman hasn’t either

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

           Wrong.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t care what the poll says. This gay conservative’s vote is for Palin only.Palin 2012
     

    • Techgenius

       Sir with all due respect to Palin and her beliefs, I personally don’t believe she has a chance in H#$# in winning. You and many others may agree and like her but from listening to the media on both sides, going through forums, watching polls their is no way she would win. From what I CAN SEE only a small percentage of voters would vote for her…she would be attacked so bad her reputaton would be slaughtered she is better off being being a voice for her party and Fox News 

      • Anonymous

         ROFLMAO….so much stupid in so little of a post.

        • Techgenius

          Boy oh boy, I tried to be polite to your beliefs and wishes and this is how you react? Not cool 

          • Anonymous

            You’re not being polite…. you’re just being predictable. 

          • Anonymous

             polite?  you call your  post polite?    Fine  let me post a polite response  to your.

            sir,  with all due respect.   Ron Paul has no chance in He## of winning.  You and others may agree with and like him.  But he is  a 3 time loser that has never gotten more than 10% of the vote in the primaries.   Watching actual election results there is no way Ron Paul can win.   From what I can see  only a very small % of people have ever voted for him.   Paul HAS BEEN attacked so bad his reputation is firmly planted as a crazy man.   He would be better sitting on the sidelines cheerleading his son from his attic.  

      • Anonymous

        The difference between Palin and the other potentials is that Palin has already been viciously attacked and is still standing tall. The others… not so much YET!.
        And maybe instead of letting networks, forums and polls form your opinion about Sarah Palin why not read and listen to her yourself?

        • Anonymous

          She may be standing tall, ernst1776, because she has no intention of running and subjugating herself to even more intense scrunity.  She has a surplus of skeletons that she would like to keep in the closet. 

          • Anonymous

            What skeletons Beaver?

            Please enlighten us with your knowledge.

             

            • KenInMontana

               Didn’t take long at all for that Palingater garbage to come out, I figured it would. Bye Troll.

        • Techgenius

           Polls have never and will never make up my mind on who I will vote for, period. Listen, I have a HUGE problem with both sides when these canidates do nothing but constantley talk trash about the other side, I want to here legit, real solutions, not what he or she on the other side is doing wrong. Its very easy to blame other people, but I want to see plans on how you’re going to fix what is wrong and then I want you to address the positives and negatives of your plan and of course their is never any negatives. I’m sick of the right bashers and the Obama bashers and sure we can keep going with that but until we the people stop supporting that game then it will always be the same. My Rant isn’t only targeted at Palin but everyone Dems, Repubs, Media ect..

      • Anonymous

         That is what you believe.  It is not a fact.  I think that you may have a very large blind spot.  We shall see.

  • Anonymous

    Where is Palin’s name? This looks fascist and desperate….

    • KenInMontana

       Don’t read well do you? Read the header.

      • Anonymous

        When did Huntsman declare?

        • KenInMontana

           He has resigned his Ambassadorship and has at least formed a team to explore a bid for the nomination. Which is more than Gov.Palin has done isn’t it. She is still working as a FoxNews contributor for one (she has to resign the post to run). I am not anti Palin and neither is therightscoop to my knowledge, and I for one would like to see her make at least a move in the direction of running but she has not done so. Besides, Scoop has featured her in previous “Dream candidate” polls which you would know if you had spent any real time around here.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2A6HIPLFALQCHLNVDFOHJ5TZAM Barton

       can you define the word fascist!?

      i bet not.

      read past the headline………..wait, put on your reading glasses…………no, wait, try this one more time……….turn on the text to speech feature so it can be read to you beyond the headline………….sheesh

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      And you look like a moron. 

      • Anonymous

        Get a grip Sparky….LOL

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

           shouldn’t you work for msnbc? you like to use the word fascist alot. Maybe CurrentTV has an opening.

          • Anonymous

            Once = alot LOL

            Sounds like you’re already working there…

            • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

               Well ‘perky’, Scoop may be too kind and longsuffering to blip your intentionally noisome, malodorous manner… but I ain’t.

              Goodby cookie.
              CM Sackett

              • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

                 Nah don’t blip him. We need a little fun around here…eh?

                • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

                   You’ll have to re-add him, Boss. 

                  When I say I’m sending one down-range… it’s already half way there.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo The Wizard of Oz

                   lol

                • Anonymous

                  lol too

  • Anonymous

    hey  you know huntsman  has not  formally announced his run for President or formed an official exploratory committee for 2012

    just saying…the poll is hogwash

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       Not true. do your research.

      • Anonymous

          Former U.S. ambassador to China Jon Huntsman formed a political action committee on Tuesday that will let him raise money, hire staff and travel ahead of an expected 2012 Republican presidential bid.Huntsman, who left his post in Beijing and returned to the United States last week, filed papers to form H-PAC, an organization that will support his exploration of a potential race for the right to challenge President Barack Obama.

        He formed a PAC not an exploratory committee.  you might want to research  things a bit.

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

          @unseen1:disqus  Huntsman, the former governor of Utah, returned to Washington this past
          weekend after serving since August 2009 as the country’s top diplomat in
          China. News of the formation of Huntsman’s exploratory committee was
          first reported by Politico
          .

          • Anonymous

            Politico? LOL

          • Anonymous

             http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politics-news/jon-huntsman-rick-santorum-launch-presidential-exploratory-c.html

            (WASHINGTON) — Former U.S. Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman took his first tangible step toward exploring a run for president by setting up a federal political action committee on Tuesday.Tim Miller, a spokesman for the new committee, called “H PAC,” tells ABC News that the move is “an organizational step that will allow him to travel the country, discuss issues that are important to him, and support Republican candidates.”And despite the fact that Huntsman has had something of a shadow campaign up and running for months, the new PAC is not an official acknowledgement that he’s running.
            If he decides to run for president,” Miller said, “ he’ll make an announcement at that time.”

            there is no differece between H-Pac and sarahpac

            • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

               even exploratory isn’t official acknowledgment that a candidate is running, however it typically means they are.

              Either way he’s on the poll now. I cant change that. I showed you why I put him there. Why are you still questioning me?

              • Anonymous

                 lol…..you  said I was wrong.  I  am simply pointing out that it was not I that was wrong.  Huntsman has not declared and has not  formed an explortary committee.  He formed a PAC.   The same as Palin 

                take it and do what you want with the information.   

  • Anonymous

    Mitt Romney is NOT a presidential candidate yet like The Next President of USA, Sarah Palin….So the right scoop MUST take out  Mitt Romney from the poll also….

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       He’s already announced. What are you talking about?

    • KenInMontana

       http://mittromney.com/  Do you do anything even resembling research?

  • Anonymous

     Why would you leave Sarah Palin off the list?

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      Read the info above the poll. I explained it all.

  • Anonymous

    It seems the right scoop and us election news are against Our LEADER and Next President of USA, Sarah Palin….

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      this is what makes you look like an unobjective palinbot…your refusal to be reasonable.

      • KenInMontana

         He/she keeps using “we”, perhaps Smeagol or Gollum would have been a better choice of screen names. ;)

      • Anonymous

        Wow RightScoop.

        Palinbot?

         

    • Anonymous

       This is black and white thinking at it’s most childish.  It is a bad reflection on the Governor for you to behave in this fashion.  Don’t be a baby.

  • Anonymous

    It seems the right scoop and us election news are RINOS (NOT REAL CONSEVATIVES) like Mitt Romney.

    • Anonymous

      RS has always been totally fair to Palin. 

    • http://politicons.net Henry D’Andrea

       The Right Scoop a RINO? I don’t think so. If you are a regular reader, you would know. The Right Scoop only likes Palin, Cain, and I believe Bachmann for 2012. 

  • http://twitter.com/sohali2012 SH

    A poll without Sarah Palin is a stupid poll- Voting none of the above and there is no choice of that, so total FAIL.  Gary Johnson??? Dumb.

  • Anonymous

     We feel cheated feel cheated

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       good

  • Anonymous

     HERE is an interesting point from:

     David TannerMay 15, 2011 – 2:23 am

    Trump is a Dem operative who will run as an Independent to steal votes away from the Republican, ensuring an Obama victory.. Or at lease that’s the plan. The media gave Trump UNUSUALLY HEAVY PUBLICITY when he called on Obama to show his Birth Certificate (The media would underscore their OWN failure at such calls for no reason other than to damage the Republicans). The plan was to embarrass birther Republicans with Obama finally releasing his COLB, thus damaging their credibility going into the election. Suddenly the media no longer needs Trump and Trump has served the Dems as planned.. Or has he? The Dem plan of using Trump during this charade and then his running as an Independent may be the ultimate flop.. Trump could easily steal just as many votes from Obama as any Republican due to Dem voter disenchantment with Obama.HERE is an interesting point from: David TannerMay 15, 2011 – 2:23 amTrump is a Dem operative who will run as an Independent to steal votes away from the Republican, ensuring an Obama victory.. Or at lease that’s the plan. The media gave Trump UNUSUALLY HEAVY PUBLICITY when he called on Obama to show his Birth Certificate (The media would underscore their OWN failure at such calls for no reason other than to damage the Republicans). The plan was to embarrass birther Republicans with Obama finally releasing his COLB, thus damaging their credibility going into the election. Suddenly the media no longer needs Trump and Trump has served the Dems as planned.. Or has he? The Dem plan of using Trump during this charade and then his running as an Independent may be the ultimate flop.. Trump could easily steal just as many votes from Obama as any Republican due to Dem voter disenchantment with Obama.

    • Techgenius

       Sorry but I didn’t even read what you posted b/c for some reason people read things on the internet and take them as Golden. Everyone has agenda’s thats why I will never get my facts from some blog or post from some user. Who knows maybe what your post says has some truth but HOW DO YOU KNOW????

  • Anonymous

    This poll is a waste of time…….none  of the above have a chance in hell……

    • KenInMontana

       Then why are you here? Besides to bellyache.

      • Anonymous

        Must be a Paulbot 

        • KenInMontana

           Hardly, If you spent even a bit of time reading through the thread you’d know better.

    • KenInMontana

       Then why are you here? Besides to bellyache.

    • Techgenius

       Of course, when something doesn’t suit our interest it must be false, faked, dishonest and or not true. Wow, were in big trouble as a country.

  • http://twitter.com/sohali2012 SH

    Ron Paul 63%- yeah, right.  He was making no sense this morning with M. Wallace. He should be examined for Azlheimers, because he has lost it. BUT he is #winning this poll for RScoop. Very scientific, indeed.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       You think online polls are scientific?

      • Anonymous

         not at all  but  they  become more meaningful   if  they mirror reality.  And large trends can be spotted.   but never scientific and never very accurate.  

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

          This mirrors the current field of candidates.

    • Tyler

      Did you also believe that he made no sense when he schooled Matthews on liberty…because he basically just did the same thing to Wallace this morning.

  • Anonymous

    RS… you sure know how to get traffic to The Right Scoop. Keep up the good work..I come here regularly.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

      Thanks ernst! I appreciate that :)

  • Ben W.

    God help us if Ron Paul is the nominee. I’d much rather have Rand than Ron any day.
    Gingrich will eat BHO up and spit him out in a debate. 

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       The Paulbots came out in force to skew the poll. Don’t worry, he’s not electable.

      • Anonymous

        What is a Paulbot? Is it yet another rogue, derogatory, name to call those who support Ron Paul? Also how do you come up with the analogy that this poll has been skewed, does not everyone have a chance to participate? 

        • KenInMontana

          Paulbot~ noun, a zealot, a mindless drone that consistently attacks and attempts  to demean,slander and otherwise belittle anyone who questions or has views that differ even an nth degree from those of Ron Paul. Clear enough?

          • http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett

             Sorry Ken,

            Did not know you were answering Mr./Mrs. “malaysia.net”.

            They ping servers, using systems like the “TOR Project”, to protect their anonymity.

            They also have mass email dumps (or “Blasts”) that quickly alert all 10,264 of them (hypothetical number, of course… to describe their pathetic mania) to any new polls for them to ‘vote’ on.

            Sackett

            • KenInMontana

               No problem. :)

    • Tyler

      How is Rand different other than being younger?  What’s one idea that’s different between the two?  Just curious.

  • Anonymous

     Please VOTE for Sarah Palin HERE:

    http://uselectionnews.org/poll-2012-gop-respond-who-benefits-most-from-huckabees-decision/853508/

    Sarah Palin was leading then She was take off by us election news….Finally Sarah is Back again…. 

    • Anonymous

      Thanks!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

     Nobody from the Class of ’08 has a chance in this election.

    • Anonymous

       Who are you?….Are you Harry Houdini?Harry Houdini?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

        They couldn’t get enough support to face Obama and if you went backwards you give him all the ammo needed to win a second term, especially if it is Romney.

  • Rightwingnut

    NONE OF THE ABOVE 

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       Is that what you are going to say if this is the current field in Feb 2012?

      • Right_Wingnut

        I don’t believe the field will stay as is, but IF it does…then yes. That’s EXACTLY what I’m saying. 

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

          If you don’t vote, you are voting for Obama. Just consider that in the future.

          • Rightwingnut

            You specified Feb ’12 in your question to me. Last time I checked, the general is in November. Furthermore, Obama is not in your poll. 

          • Rightwingnut

            But…if the current results of your poll are an indication of what’s to come, I just may sit it out. At least Obama had the balls to take Bin Laden out.  

          • Anonymous

             want to explain again how Bush was so much better than Obama.  Hell Obama is  doing  80% of Bush’s policies and positions.  Bush abandoned the free market to save the free market.   Bush spent the same in the same way as Obama  except Obama has a recession to deal with  which is boosting to some degree the rate of Obama’s spending.   Bush expanded the federal government with homeland security, medicare part D , no child left behind and the patriot act to name some of them.

            • Anonymous

               Hell Newt and Mitt came out this week supporting mandates.  

            • KenInMontana

               Speaking of the Patriot Act, were you aware that there is a resolution on the house floor to extend the entire act for six more years? H.R.1800 it was introduced this past Friday.

              • Tyler

                Just sad.  Maybe we should ask the current candidates who would support this bill.  I know two who’ll say “No” and I’m pretty sure the rest will either say “Yes” without a doubt or “under certain circumstances” or something to that effect.

      • Anonymous

         pretty much  I can see myself voting for any of them.  Maybe Cain if he studies up on the issues and grows  beyond the one liners.   But the rest?  I think I’ll just work on getting Congresspeople and Senators elected. 

        Bush taught me  that defending a big spender  simply because he has an R  behind his names  gets  me a full socialist/marxist  in the WH and a congress full of them the next go around. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000503881077 Sabers WarDogs

        Yup thats what im going to say, after i write her name in and let the chips fall where they may!! I will not vote for a RINO!! 

  • Anonymous

    Mitt Romney is already FINISHED….

    Mitt Romney’s Health Care Plan = ObamaCare

  • Rightwingnut

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think Huntsman has formed an exploratory committee. 

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       According to ABC he has.

      • http://twitter.com/Super_Sachiko Jasmine Clark

        haha i’ve never even heard of his exploratory commttee… he’s not doing a good job advertising it!

  • http://politicons.net Henry D’Andrea

     Doesn’t surprise me that Ron Paul is winning the poll. His crazy psycho supporters probably posted The Right Scoop all over their websites.

    Plus, I’ll admit I am a Palin supporter, but if that’s the field come 2012, Herman Cain has my support.

    • http://twitter.com/Super_Sachiko Jasmine Clark

      me too, cain’s my 2nd choice 

  • Anonymous

    http://uselectionnews.org/poll-2012-gop-respond-who-benefits-most-from-huckabees-decision/853508/

     Sarah Palin 89.73% (236 votes)

     Mitt Romney 1.52% (4 votes)

     Ron Paul 1.52% (4 votes)

     Mitch Daniels 3.42% (9 votes)

     Newt Gingrich 0.76% (2 votes)

     Jon Huntsman 0.38% (1 votes)

     Rick Santorum 1.14% (3 votes)

     Donald Trump 1.52% (4 votes)

     Total Votes: 263

    • PK

      Let’s respect the host’s original intent in his forum? 

  • PK

    The results seem more like revolt voting pattern, which is very telling:-)a true reflection of voters’ unfavorability with the Republican candidates currently on the list (which could be a key indicative stat in itself). 

    • KenInMontana

       I would tend to agree with your observation.

  • Anonymous

    Were is Palin ?

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

       read the post. It’s all there.

  • Anonymous

    Via Facebook:

    Steve Chandler

    Sarah Palin will be the ONLY true viable tea party conservative running in 2012. The rest are RINO’s, not serious contenders or otherwise flawed. It will be PALIN vs. OBAMA in November 2012.

  • Anonymous

    Message to Sarah Palin:

    Sarah, This is Your TIME….

    • Anonymous

      I think she may be trying to read into what Bachmann’s decision is, because that may be the one candidate that would cause her to think twice about getting into the race

      • http://twitter.com/Super_Sachiko Jasmine Clark

        i can see why you’d think that but no. she has said in a recent interview or two that a GOVERNOR would make the best president because they have executive experience. she won’t go for bachmann. she herself is running! yay!

  • http://twitter.com/Super_Sachiko Jasmine Clark

    palin is going to run and then this poll will look very different won’t it. XD 

  • Anonymous

    Based on this list only and the stated criterion; I checked Tim Pawlenty’s 2012 website and would vote for him over the others on this list due to his stance on issues and concrete record.  He may not be an exciting candidate but U.S. voters need to be leery of a personality, who knows what is behind that mask.  As a teetotaler, I will not support the legalize drugs issue.  I do think that it needs to be decriminalized for those that are harming themselves.  California’s medical marijuana seems to be thriving with healthy consumers that probably use anyway so it is not necessarily increasing usage.  The other reason I do not think it should be legalized is the unintended consequence that European countries have, the decreasing work ethic.  I know they and we have functioning chemically-challenged workers but no need to encourage others to join the crowd.  It is especially dangerous now because we are already overly populated with you owe me mindset people.

     

    • Tyler

      With the legalization of drugs would also come the end to the welfare state.  The Libertarian philosophy also entails personal responsibility as well as personal freedom.  Focusing on only one aspect of it is what allows people to distort things easily.

      • Anonymous

         You Must be a Drug Addict ,,, He will Never be POTUS He’s Nuts

        • Tyler

          I’m not an addict nor have I ever been. I actually have willpower. You see him as being nuts, but I listen to him talk and he makes much more sense than the other guys who are solely using talking points instead of more original thoughts and ideas when answering debate questions.

      • Anonymous

         Tyler, I will admit to knowing next to nothing about Libertarians.  But, like some groups that have the abortion litmus test.  Libertarians’ litmus test seems to be legalization of drugs. Decriminalizing allows the personal freedom to use.  Wouldn’t the end of the welfare state be due to other Libertarian platform issues like personal responsibility?  If I had to choose between Ron Paul and Obama, well it would be Ron Paul hands down.  Wouldn’t it be interesting if his son was his vice president?

        • Tyler

          Rand as VP would be pretty awesome.  To answer your question, that’s exactly what I’m getting at.  Yes…I’m sure it might seem like legalization is the litmus test, but there are more important things and any and all Libertarians also understand that in order for drug legalization to work properly…the welfare state would have to go out the door with the drug laws.

          On a different point though that you have to consider.  Those who are using drugs despite them being illegal are also benefiting from the welfare state when they are taken into hospitals, so economically speaking…it would still be better to at least legalize the substances and tax them so that our society can at least get some funds from the activities prior to the care they might receive if they’re stupid and O.D.

          Just to reiterate though…the IDEAL way is to rid ourselves not only of the drug laws, but rid ourselves of the welfare state that taxes people for the care of these individuals instead of leaving them and them alone on the hook for their own mishaps.

  • Anonymous

    http://uselectionnews.org/poll-2012-gop-respond-who-benefits-most-from-huckabees-decision/853508/#comment-7739

    Sarah Palin 90.42% (434 votes) 

    Mitt Romney 1.67% (8 votes) 

    Ron Paul 1.46% (7 votes) 

    Mitch Daniels 2.29% (11 votes) 

    Newt Gingrich 1.67% (8 votes) 

    Jon Huntsman 0.21% (1 votes) 

    Rick Santorum 1.25% (6 votes) 

    Donald Trump 1.04% (5 votes) 

    Total Votes: 480

    • KenInMontana

       This is the one and only warning you are going to get from me,stop spamming the thread or you will be gone.

      • Anonymous

        Wow!  Does alammbrito2010 have the hots for Sarah or what.  A cold shower may be in order.

  • Gardneralicia68

    people that want palin on this poll must be illiterate or beligerant.one more time she is not running as of yet. jeeezzzz  

    • Anonymous

       I want her as POTUS more than anything but I know that it is not my decision.

  • Odin147

    The great thing about conservatism is that it does not require self reliance but forces it.

  • Gardneralicia68

    i am looking for a reason not to vote for cain besides his history with the fed.anyone? 

    • Nick

       Most people vote based on a canidates history, so I’m not sure what you’re looking for. In many people eyes his history says it all.

    • http://truthstings.com Truth Stings

       He was for the bailouts.  He worked for the fed is enough for me.  The bailouts is horrible also.  Oh, he said he is for food stamps.  Is that enough?

  • http://twitter.com/nickmarschel straw man

    So if you ignore the Ron Paul votes (which is the sensible thing to do), it looks like Herman Cain is winning.

    • PK

      You’ve got it man. This poll generates lots of fun, accute sentiments and some overt excuberance, plus all the hits and traffic.  

  • Gardneralicia68

    is it just because of the fed thing because that doesnt bother me.in my humble opinion a vote for paul is a wasted vote.this country will never elect paul, nothing personal it just wont happen.i will admit i dont know much about cain.but why are people callimg him the republican obama? 

    • Tyler

      I believe that the country will vote for him, if the Rs will just get off their moral war horse.

  • Odin147

    only one thing counts who can beat obama, i would for a republican rhino, dodo, hippo whatever as long as obama loses.

    • Gardnera

      agreed! 

  • Anonymous

    Also Please VOTE for Sarah Palin HERE:

    http://2012iowacaucus.com/

    Go to The Right Side of The Web Page http://2012iowacaucus.com/ and Vote for Sarah Palin….

    • KenInMontana

       Done. You were warned.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

      Thanks for the link, I posted my vote for Cain. 

      • h8theleft

        good man. 

  • Tron

    Sarah Palin will be The Best President of USA in 2013….

  • Betty

    Looks like the Ron Paul freaks have passed this poll around to drum up votes.  I did notice on the Fox poll of who won the debate, Cain has caught up again.  Paul supporters just don’t have enough to do….working on legalizing that marijuana issue, I’m guessing.  Ron Paul has zero chance of being the nominee.   Herman Cain is going to be the nominee – he doesn’t have baggage, he’s likable, and he has the support of the Tea Party.  He wins people over wherever he goes.  

    • Gardneralicia68

       dont forget herion and cocaine.

    • Tyler

      The Federal Reserve and his inconsistency about them is his sagging luggage.

  • katy

    I swear you Paulbots are like roaches. You crawl out of the woodwork from some dark dank place and spread your stupidity everywhere.  Have y’all thought about just getting a job and leave the grown up stuff to the rest of us?

    • Steve

       Thats why were voting for Ron, you grown ups have shown for too long you can’t get things done, just the same ol lies.

      • Tyler

        Haha.  That’s kind of a good point…but there are plenty of grown-ups that have had enough of the same ol’ BS too.

      • KenInMontana

         Hmm, it seems you kids have done us grown ups one better in the screw-up department by helping to elect the current moron in chief.

        • Tyler

          Now now, Ken.  To be fair…many black people of all ages who never voted or cared to before came out to the polls contributed very heavily as well if not much much heavier than just the “younguns” in Barry’s election.

          Plus…it didn’t help that you “grown ups” chose a freakin old, decrepit, flippant, big-government RINO who in every single way represented “The same old Bush crap” to be this “rap star’s” opponent.

          • KenInMontana

             I did not vote Republican in ’08, besides the “entitlees” that were enticed to the booth, the college vote (young’uns) was the largest young voter turn out in years. (to be fair)

            • Tyler

              I’m right there with you that Obama was going to be the president no matter what.  I won a $100 because I knew it would happen as soon as I saw him announce his running.

              I think the fact that he’s broken so many promises and the fact that more and more people (though still not enough in my opinion) are waking up and realizing that they can’t just keep milking a cow that’s borrowing milk from other cows to feed them and sooner or later, there’ll be nothing left will be what keeps Obama from being even half the superstar he was in ’08.

  • Steven

    Huntsman has not announce nor has he created an exploratory committee. He formed a PAC, called H-PAC. There’s a difference there, because his PAC is no different than SarahPAC. So Huntsman should not be in this poll according to your definition.

    But I can buy what your selling Scoop as far as only polling the field as it stands today. With that said, to be fair, Huntsman should not be on this listing. Hey, its your credibility!

  • Anonymous

    I would hate to know that little wormy Ron Paul would be pres. That would never happen!!!!!!  Give me a dam break! Who are the stupid dam people that would do that to our country?  Must be the same ones that voted for ostupid!!!!! People Wake the hell up. Has the whole country gone crazy, again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

    • Steve

       Nope not at all, just people that are sick of canidates that name call and fight without any real solutions. People keep saying they want change and thats why on both polls here and the iowa2012 site Ron is in the lead by large margins.

  • http://profiles.google.com/michael.andrew.alaniz Michael Alaniz

    Neither!!! Why isn’t Palin in the poll??? And Ron Paul just killed his chances after opening his big mouth saying we shouldn’t have gone after Usama Bin Laden, that man will never be elected President.  

    • Steve

       ROn Paul never said that in the interview, I watched every bit of it. Once again people like you spreading lies. This is a fact, people like yourself that spread lies only hurts this country.

      • Anonymous

        I think he said something to the effect of he would have worked with the Pakiston Government diplomatically to obtain Bin Laden – BAWAHAHAHAHA!!!

        • Tyler

          He might have been able to since we have been able to work with them getting other terrorists along the way…but even if not…I’m pretty sure we still could’ve gotten him had we done things the right way.  Oh…probably could’ve gotten him years ago instead of going to Iraq to “Get Saddam” or to “get the weapons of mass destruction which we conveniently can’t find.”

    • KenInMontana

       Because Gov.Palin has not indicated that she will run, she has not resigned from her position at FoxNews (required to be eligible).etc.etc.etc.

      • h8theleft

         exactly.if this poll was for who you wanted to run i would say west.or is he a republican obama too.

        • KenInMontana

           Not sure what you are getting at with asking me if LTC West is a Republican Obama. Unless you are just trolling hoping to elicit a racially biased response. In my opinion LTC West is a principled man of integrity that loves the nation of his birth. BTW he was featured in Scoop’s fantasy Presidential Poll some months back.

          • h8theleft

            was refering to other posts on this subject, not your comment, my bad.i agree with you 100% on west.

        • Tyler

          I would still vote for Paul over West because I don’t believe in our “War on Terror,” but no…I don’t think he’s a Republican Obama.  

          He UNLIKE CAIN doesn’t just spout the same ol’ tired talking points and has never worked for the world’s greatest threat (The Federal Reserve) and has not yet been inconsistent in any of his words or actions (that I’m aware of).

          • h8theleft

            so would you negotiate with terorist or just take it the you know what? 

            • Tyler

              This is exactly the kind of distortions in the old guard arguments I don’t understand.  Paul never said he’d negotiate with terrorists OR take it in the “you know what.”  We have what’s called Letter of Marque and Reprisal.  We could use those to hire mercenaries to take care of the people responsible in a much quicker manner than Bush and even Obama have done it up to Bin Laden.  Also…if you actually realize what the different groups are and what they stand for as opposed to just grouping them all into “Islamic Terrorists,” then you can better target your enemies and capture/kill them.

              Have any of you actually bothered to dispute Paul’s facts that Pakistan has in fact helped us to capture terrorists in the past including KSM?  I’m not saying that it would be as easy or even possible with a bigger catch like Bin Laden…but the same principle applies.  We’re causing more animosity for no real reason now.

              This “War on Terror” will never end because it’s not designed to…plain and simple.  The weapons and armor dealers as well as the government contractors will bank big time while we the taxpayers continue to foot the bill for all this nation-building when our own country is burning to the ground to become the “once great and free country.”

              • h8theleft

                look im as independent as you but reality is what it is, that will not happen,ron paul is a wasted vote. 

                • Tyler

                  Ron Paul is still the most principled and small government candidate there is…even if he is unable to end the “War on Terror,” there are other things he can accomplish (by which I mean repeal or reform) that will steer our country back towards liberty and personal responsibilty.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

            If West decided to run he would have my vote.  Unless he does, Cain has my vote…so far. 

            • Tyler

              You really don’t see a problem with him having worked for the Federal Reserve and stating one minute that he wants to audit them and then next that he sees no point?  The man’s a shill for Bernanke and company.  Oh well, I suppose.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

                I liked Ron Paul in ’08 but it is clear that he won’t be allowed to win.  Back then Nevada shut down the delegate vote when they found out Ron Paul was going to win the 37 electoral votes.   

                • Tyler

                  If the shadow government seeks to stop him, then so be it.  I would rather “waste” my vote on him than actually waste my vote on a primary candidate I don’t believe in.

    • Tyler

       This is an idiotic distortion.  He never at any point said not to go after him.  Stop listening to talking points and try to actually listen to A) what the man actually says and B) educate yourself about his actual record against the records of the other candidates.

      • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

        Ron Paul debaes Barack Obama. As both men stand on the stage in front of all America the moderator asks:

        “So Dr. Paul, can you explain to the American people why you would have voted against the Civil Rights Amendment?”

        Obama looks at Ron, smiles, and begins planning his inaugural ball.

        Last one out of the Ron Paul Control Center please turn out the lights.

         

        • Tyler

          Paul’s already defended that and could do it again face-to-face as well.

          • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

            You bet.

            • Tyler

              Just as its up to the Rs to awaken…so also is it up to the others to awaken as well.  Everybody I know who voted for the O-man has every intention on voting for the good Dr. this time.  Everybody I know who is an independent (not just Libertarian) is planning on voting for Paul unless someone more centrist comes into play because they know danged well that Obama is not that.  Now…is this same transformation going to happen in the next year and a half or has it already happened?  I guess we’ll just have to see.

              • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                Ron Paul will never be POTUS so I will sleep well tonight. 

                • Tyler

                  You and everyone else will sleep better if he does get into the oval office and starts working towards restoring the value of your dollar and letting you keep more of those said dollars.

                • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                  Sure.

  • DF

    While Cain is a hopeless neocon lacky he would be the first black president. I know, your gonna say Obama is the first but that’s not entirely correct. See, Obama’s mother was white so that makes him the first half white president. As far as I am concerned we still have not had a black president. 

    • Tyler

      I hate how sadly true your statement is…minus the word “neocon.”  Just Bernanke shill will do.

  • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

    I like Cain, but he needs to sharpen up his message. He can’t make speeches the way he did his radio show. He’s talking to a different audience.

    Wow. 252 comments and I haven’t even said anything about Palin. Cool.

    • Anonymous

      You didn’t read the comments…LOL

      • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

         and Palin isn’t going away…

        • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

          She’s not running either. 

          • http://twitter.com/HiramHawk HiramHawk

             Then Obama wins… Plain and simple.

            • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

              Palin and Obama debate. Both candidates on the stage and the moderator turns to Palin and asks:

              “Governor Palin, some people claim that you quit as governor of Alaska because you couldn’t handle the pressure of the job. Is that true?”

              Obama looks at Palin, smiles, shines up his “I got bin Laden” badge, and starts planning his inaugural ball.

              • PK

                Hypothetical question, cool.

                • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                   Sarah Palin hypothetical candidate. Way cool.

                • PK

                  Double hypothetical by you, way too cool, Nick! 

                • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                  We will see which hypothetical evolves into the realm of fact. 

                • PK

                   Checkmate!

                • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                  Checkmate? Did Sarah Palin announce she was running? I must have dozed off.  

                • PK

                  Duh! checkmate on your self-conflicting double hypothetical, sweet!

                • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                   Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah….

                • PK

                  Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah…. a fool with a sign on the butt that reads “kick me”.

                • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

                  Cool. Thanks. 

                • PK99

                  Any time, pleasure’s mine. 

          • Anonymous

             Care to wager on that?  ;)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K33R5NBZP4HXFICXUE27IO5E6U Tron Tronco

    Please VOTE for Sarah Palin HERE:

    http://2012iowacaucus.com/

    Go to The Right Side of This Web Page http://2012iowacaucus.com/ and Vote for Sarah Palin….

    • Lolanda.Jackson

        Its useless Ron Paul has a huge lead

  • gardnera

    is palin running? 

  • Taylorhatfield1007

    Ron Paul would not just end the Fed over night.  He has stated this many times.  However, they would have to answer to the house and have complete transparency.  The real problem lies in costly wars that we can’t pay for. 1 trillion a year! now that is just irresponsible guys..give it up already!

    • Tyler

      It’s not that he wouldn’t…but that he can’t.  He doesn’t have the authority as the president and he wouldn’t give himself that authority because the Constitution doesn’t grant him that authority, though he has stated that he would make it plain and clear with a proposal to send to Congress to End The Fed would in fact be pushed and pushed hard by him.

  • Dr.Cwac.Cwac

    Paultards, er, Ronulans, er….whatever…..have invaded again.

  • Annie

    Cracks me up so many Ron Paul people visit this sight!  Ha, ha – must be all of them who supported Paul last time?  Well, they are LOYAL, if not very realistic. 

  • Anonymous

     Sarah Palin will DEAFEAT Obama Next Year….

  • Anonymous

    We Think George Will is WRONG Again….

    We know with reasonable certainty that standing up there on the West front of the Capitol on Jan. 20, 2013 will be one of three people: Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin and Sarah Palin….

    • KenInMontana

       The Dominican Republic huh?

  • Black_Coffee

    Please, please… the Fed isn’t going anywhere, “freedom” isn’t going to be left to the states, and property rights aren’t the wherewithal of a democratic society… that said, I like Ron Paul as much as the next guy.

    But we need Newt G… he’s the heavyweight, and if he gets to debate this clown (Obama), it will be lights out, and everyone (opposition included) will know.

    • h8theleft

      did you see newt on todays news shows no way i vote for him.with all due respect you have lost your mind 

      • Black_Coffee

        Yes, did see today… We all understood healthcare reform needed to happen before Obamacare was passed. His idea is essentially a “re-do” on that monstrosity… I’m supporting Newt G for his pragmatism. 

        • Tyler

          The “pragmatism” is fake…but good luck with that.

          • Black_Coffee

            There isn’t one name above that if asked, won’t produce an idea about healthcare reform. Why? Because all understand you can’t simply say “I’d repeal obamacare” without producing an alternative. The fact it exists, drives this discussion… it needs to be reckoned with.

            OK, if you see that, you’re already wading into the “pragmatism” I referred to…  

            • Tyler

              By your definition…Obama and his Dem supporters are the original pragmatists when it comes to healthcare because he is the original one who stated that the current healthcare system was broken and needed to be fixed.  He’s the one who forced the rest who refused to touch it to have to do something about it.  

              So…the question is what do you think is practical?  Free market guys such as myself think Ron Paul’s solution of having the government completely out of healthcare altogether is the most pragmatic or practical idea and Newt’s big-government ideas or anyone else’s big-government ideas of involvement in healthcare is false pragmatism hence why I used quotations around Newt’s “pragmatism.”

              • Black_Coffee

                No, Obama, dems, etc. were not the original ones stating something was wrong with healthcare… and our ideas/voices in terms of reform were ignored or drowned out…

                Further, Newt’s ideas aren’t necessarily “big gov” solutions… he speaks of ongoing discussion and debate. That’s in terms of private insurance, or for those who are still enjoying their productive years.

                Don’t forget medicare and medicaid, their unsustainability, still needs to be addressed. They’ve been managed by fed gov. since their inception. Consequently, that’s where we start in discussion, on grounds of “big gov.”

                • Tyler

                  I didn’t say the first ones to state it.  I said the first ones to shove it down our throats…with the majority vote which BAM…got us Obamacare.  Now…because Obamacare is law…the Rs who have pretty much said next to nothing about healthcare for decades are now FORCED to deal with the monstrosity that they allowed the Dems to beat them to.

                  He supports the individual mandate.  That’s as big government as it gets.

                • Black_Coffee

                  Negative, his concept of “voucher system” will work in tandem with markets, since you have to go out and shop w/voucher. And as he stated today, this combined with “sliding scale” will help many get off entitlements…

                  What you need to explain is why you’d return to a status quo (repeal of obamacare) where many were free riders anyway… a la medicare, medicaid, etc.

                • h8theleft

                   like romneycare.

                • Tyler

                  Um…again…I think I already explained that going to a truly free market healthcare system is NOT the status quo.  People won’t just be “covered” by us under such a system.  Medicare and medicaid would be GONE under a truly free market system…as would the FDA’s strict testing requirements for new medical innovations and drugs.  In addition to that, insurance companies could set their own overhead/disaster ratios so they wouldn’t have to charge out the wazoo to individuals in order to stay afloat. By getting rid of such measures…hospitals and doctors could actually charge less for procedures and checkups as well as prescriptions so it’s more affordable and therefore accessible to people. Needy people? They will be covered by private charities under a truly free market system.

                  That aside…even the status quo would be much better than requiring individuals to buy ANYTHING…PERIOD.  That’s an ATTACK ON FREEDOM…not “pragmatic.”

                  Thanks for playing…now please stop shoving Gingrich’s big government agenda down our throats.

    • Anonymous

      You mean the guy who called Ronald Reagan the next Neville Chamberlain and an appeaser when he went to talk to Mikhail Gorbachev?

      That guy?  The global warming pimping, scozzafava endorcing, Al Sharpton partnering, war monger?

      No thanks.

      • Black_Coffee

        Why? Because he once said something you don’t agree with? Record shows Newt more in line with Ronaldus Maximus than not…

        Being in complete lock-step with someone should not be a requirement of support for a Presidential candidate…

        • Anonymous

          Call me crazy, but as much as I hate the man I’ll take Obama over someone who thinks war with Russia is acceptable.  Lucky for me, Newt is the least likable politician in North America. 

          • Black_Coffee

            If there was really a spectre of war with Russia, I’d agree… but there isn’t and never was…

            Hey, but you’re right… I know I’m in the minority with Newt. I urge all to just keep listening.

            • h8theleft

              im done listening.listen to me! 

              • Black_Coffee

                Not me… keep listening to Newt since his hat’s in the ring now…

                • Tyler

                  I’m not listening to anyone who actually backs the individual mandate.  That’s the single worst thing about the entire monstrosity.

                • h8theleft

                  black coffee is here to convince us that the gov.is the only solution to our problems. 

                • Tyler

                  Yeah.  I read.  Good luck I say.  I think he’ll have a harder time of doing that than I will of convincing people that so far…Ron Paul is truly the best choice out there.

                • Black_Coffee

                  Patently false. Now an election is upon us and rather than think of something useful, you pine away for some Ron Paul vision (that I hate to inform you) won’t happen.  This is the age old, if you want to change the system, you have to work within it…

                • h8theleft

                  my point exactly.that is why i wont vote for newt. 

                • Tyler

                  The “Ron Paul vision” as you call it is what America used to be.  I believe in restoring America to its glory days…not just “working within the system” which will just delay the inevitable collapse at best.

                  It’s rather insane to me that the “Ron Paul vision” is viewed as the “extreme.”

            • Anonymous

              His statements of “Munic 1939 all over again” were when war with Russia was a very real posibility, and have you forgot how the US almost got involved in the Georgia/Russia border conflict?

              “We’re all Georgians, now.” -John McCain

              Then there is still the chance of war with Iran given the completely BS rhetoric coming out of Washington and the media.

    • PK

      Heavyweight Gingrich just slammed Paul Ryan’s “Radical” Plan to reform Obama care and that’s just what democrats wanted to hear. This is the last straw that breaks the RINO’s back. As if an alien from the past era, Gingrich is so out of touch with the grassroot and the economic reality facing the nation.

      • Black_Coffee

        I hear you PK… but that’s my point. He understands that healthcare reform needs to happen, in large part due to fiscal unsustainabilty. Why not push for workable (affordable) plan under continued auspices of reform? It’s politics…  

        • h8theleft

          the gubmint got us into this mess and you want the gubmint to solve it.keep digging that hole. 

          • Black_Coffee

            You miss the point… since Obamacare is now law, government (or some branch of it) is the only thing that can do something about it. Hate to bring up that little thing called reality…

            • h8theleft

              so what did we do before the gubmint was involved.the gubmint creates problems so they can solve them thats what they do.btw lets see what the supreme court says about o care first before we call it the law. 

              • Black_Coffee

                I see your point about gov. being a problem in itself… but election cycle 2012 is underway and we don’t have time for a Supreme Court decision. We want to drive discussion, have solutions, and keep from being called “nay sayers,” “party of no,” or whatever else…  

                • Tyler

                  That’s up to the candidates and Newt’s not going to be the only one to use alternatives.  Paul and I think a couple others already have.

                • h8theleft

                  i have no problem with being the party of no.i have always said the gubmint is the problem free markets are the solution. 

        • PK

          Do respect your vintage point. `Twas Tea Party that propelled GOP to victory in the house and a few seats shy of majority in the senate 2010. Newt does seem to fair poorly in that quarter unless he wins the primary (stats don’t fair too good for him too among other candidates), then the conservatives of all  stripes may throw their support on whoever win the primary.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana

      Newt won’t win the nomination but I would love him as Sec of State. 

  • REDDY

    Sounds like “Tyler & Ron Paul against the world” (With apology to Helen Reddy)
    Tell me gain daddy Ron Paul,
    You and me against the world,Sometimes it seems like you and me against the world,When all the others turn their backs and walked away,You can count on me to stay …

    • Tyler

      I’m not “against” anyone here.  I am simply countering the absurdity I am seeing and hearing around me tot he best of my ability.  It’s an evolution that I feel needs to take shape.  If not now…then it may be too late.

      • Lolanda.Jackson

         I think its refreshing to see a nice debate on different views. I believe if everyone contributed and backed up what they’re saying like Tyler and KeninMontana we could learn a little bit more about all the canidates.

        • Tyler

          The larger goal that I would like to see happen is the masses actually educate themselves instead of just listen to the candidates actually tell them all the pretty words they want to hear or look pretty or speak well.  Content versus “charm.”

          • Samual

             That is so true and things in this country would greatly improve in the polical arena if people would educate themselves instead of someone doing it for them. I would bet my life that everyones mouth would drop if they knew the Truth about Obama or the Truth about Bush, what I’m saying is that what most people think they know is wrong and thats b/c of the distortion and lies  others spew all over the net. I ve seen so many references to blogs for each party and its like do you really think they’re going to tell facts or only biased opinions.

            • Tyler

              Nothing wrong with using the internet, but you gotta go to actual sources and not just someone else’s opinion or “take” on something.  Know their pasts, know what they’ve actually done or refused to do, know what types of special interest ties they have (if any), and with that knowledge…you might just know whether they have your best interest at heart…or someone else’s.

              • Techgenius

                Unfortunately its hard to find the truth nowadays. Not only has the Internet
                provided an instant community for distributing and reinforcing the lies, but when the truth is uncovered, they
                go into overdrive to smear and demonize the very sources that are providing the truth. It’s the classic cultist
                brainwashing move — discredit and discount all sources of information other than those controlled by the cult.
                Nor is it a spontaneous grassroots movement; the campaign of lies is financed and sponsored by rich and
                powerful interests working under the table through slick and sleezy PR organizations. Voters believe the lies
                because a cadre of professionals armed with the latest propaganda techniques and mass psychology research are
                spending billions to make it so. The willingness of the sheep to believe the worst of their ‘enemies’ just
                makes it that much easier to keep them divided and at each others’ throats while the real power mongers buy
                each other drinks at posh D.C. clubs and sneer at the gullibility of their flocks. 

                • Tyler

                  That sounds about right.

  • Jimbo

    The GOP will never win with those sets of cadidates no matter how bad barry hussein is. 

    • PK

      In your view, who will win then? the choice is nearly down to two. 

  • http://twitter.com/gothicreader JW

     I’m sitting this one out for now. Maybe add a “don’t know yet”?

  • h8theleft

    does anyone here think ron paul is the godfather of the tea party.because that is what is being said. 

    • Tyler

      Fox News called him that and I can’t remember if they said what exactly it was they based that off of…but the answer to that question is “No.”  Then again…the “Tea Party Nation” and other such groups which hijacked the original movement would argue that their leader(s) started it.  The original movement wasn’t created by any one person, but just a group of people who have had enough of the government taxing the bejesus out of them, bailing out corporations and telling us what we can and can’t do with our lives.  Enough is enough…it’s time the representatives actually represented instead of just pretending.

  • PK

    Checkmate! 

  • h8theleft

    ron paul is in a safe district just like libs in those safe district can say anything they want and not have to worry about being primaried.he gets laughed at by his peers regularly if you watch c span. 

    • Tyler

      Of course he’s laughed at by his “peers.”  That’s because they see him as “weak,” but resorting back to the Constitution is the exact opposite.  Just like they say it takes a bigger man to just walk away from a pointless fight…same is said about someone who will refuse the temptation to grab more power and grow government.

      • h8theleft

        so if your laughed at by your peers what chance do you have to get elected.what is funny here is i agree with you most of the time on your points but this country will not vote for paul.i want my vote to count so i go cain for now. 

        • Tyler

          His “peers” are not the rest of the country.  His “peers” are the beltway insiders…and this includes the media.  The rest of the country on the other hand has had enough of the same old crap.  Obama promised and failed miserably and I don’t think the independent voters are going to allow themselves to be burned again.  They’ll very likely look to the one guy who’s been consistent both in speech and action.  That’s why I truly believe that you and the rest are just plain wrong in your assumption that he couldn’t beat Obama (or what I honestly believe could be another Democrat taking his nomination).

      • h8theleft

        i dont think they see him as weak they see him as ridicules. 

        • Tyler

          Actually…I think they’re just afraid of him because he speaks the truth and refuses to conform to their old guard ways. They just talk about him as if he were “weak” or “ridiculous.”

  • Parakeetbreeders

    This is a joke! Right? Ron Paul really. 

    • Tyler

      I say really.  It’s not like his ideas of personal freedom and personal responsibility have actually been tried by anyone in the past 100 years.  It’d be nice to see a go at it.

  • h8theleft

    are you a trigger? 

  • Lolanda.Jackson

    Could you imagine a Ron Paul / Jesse “The Body” Ventura ticket…that would be some change. 

    • Tyler

      That would be kind of cool actually.

  • h8theleft

    so,lets put the litmus test to all presidents.who was the best president. 

    • Anonymous

      The one before Washington.

      • h8theleft

        i said president not kings. 

        • Anonymous

          There was no king in 1782, nor a President.

          • h8theleft

            how did we survive,no pres.no king omg. 

            • Anonymous

              Probably the same way we survived before the AMA was established and healthcare was cartelized by the State.  The same way we survived before social security, medicare, medicaid, the war on poverty, the war on drugs, federal taxation, the TSA, the DHS, the Patriot Act, FISA, the Fed, the department of education, the department of energy, the EPA, the DIA, DEA, NSA, CIA, FBI, FDA all the other alphabet fascist squads, etc., etc.

              • h8theleft

                so,before we were socialists. 

              • Tyler

                Are you talking about something that’s been tried before or are you just talking about YOUR ideal society here?

                • Anonymous

                   Simply a slightly hyperbolic statement of historical fact.  As much as the bureaucrats of today hyperveltilate over the poposition of abolition those programs and agencies, people DID somehow survive without them.

                • Tyler

                  Very true.

          • h8theleft

            then i vote for nobody.wait thats not right.i vote for anybody.no thats not right.i vote for anybody not named obama.thats the ticket. 

    • PK

      Peanut butter. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000503881077 Sabers WarDogs

    NO interest in voting in this at all..i will wait and Vote for Sarah 

  • Lolanda.Jackson

    Looks like Trump might not run after all:
    In a press release (http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/05/15/nbc-2011-12-primetime-schedule-announced/) Sunday, NBC announced its 2011-12 primetime schedule. Amid the list of new shows and old, the network drops one semi-bombshell: Donald Trump’s “Celebrity Apprentice” is coming back for another season 

    • h8theleft

      this is gonna sound bad but really,are you that  stupid.trump is a non issue.did you vote for obama? 

      • Lolanda.Jackson

         Why would I be stupid? Seriously, really? Do you need glasses? Are you feeling OK? I posted info on something, not my opinion about anything so how in world is that stupid and makes me an Obama supported? You need help.

        • h8theleft

          you are right, trump is relevent on this thread.i am sorry ,he is the man(or non-man) i am not sure. trump is the best,go trump.sarc/

          • Lolanda.Jackson

             LOL, you say “he is the man or non-man” what I find interesting is that several years ago you stated you were transgendered gay man http://blamebush.typepad.com/blamebush/2005/12/move_review_bro.html

            I find it funny that you would make fun of someone elses gender :)

            • h8theleft

              that was awsome you got me how did you do that i am impressed.wow 

              • Lolanda.Jackson

                :) 

                • PK

                  Light year ahead. 

            • h8theleft

              if you are looking for pol.correct. will not find here.gays are gay.blacks are black.muslims are terorists.and i am a black,gay,muslim,terrorist.but dont pigeonhole me.oh crap sorry to the pigeons. 

  • Anonymous

    So what does everyone think of this poll so far?

    • Ed S

       If you went by this Poll and followed other forums left/right/center In my opinion Cain and Paul are the 2 that the MAJORITY of voters will be looking at. I think all others are either to weak or they would get ripped to shreds and just ruin the chances for the republicans.

      • Anonymous

         I agree and would have to lean towards Paul as I believe it is time for our government to return to good principles. Many of Cains affiliations worry me.

        • h8theleft

          what affiliations? 

          • Tyler

            I’ve already stated it a few times in this thread…The Federal Reserve.  That alone should seriously make more Cainites go “Um…maybe not.”

    • h8theleft

      i think the ron paul supporters voted 3-4 times per. 

      • Tyler

        I didn’t.  If other Ron Paul supporters did…then that’s just stupid because it’s not like the results of this thing are going to be the results of the actual primaries anyway.

    • Steve L

       Some of the things I will be looking into with Cain and Paul are these and whoever has the best track record, consistancy and isn’t afraid to address these issues is probably the person I will vote for:
      -Economy – Stability and long term growth – Reduce wasteful spending
      -Military -Have we forgotten why we have a military? Are we utilizing them effienctly?
      -illegal aliens – Whats the best option and who is the best man to decide?
      -Do we want our freedoms or do we want government control? Just b/c most people don’t feel it we don’t have the freedom we’re suppose to have according to the constitution.
      -Do we want gun control where only criminals carry guns?
      -Do we want term limitations or do we want our government officials to die in office?
      -Are animals finally more important than people? I ve had enough of Peta
      -Are we saving the planet or playing another political game?
      -Health Care- What do we do? The system is broke and people are suffering at no fault of their own, we are not a country that turns are backs on its citizens so what to do.
      -Was Social Security made to help us or another way the government found to steal our hard earned money? Social Security isn’t or wasn’t included in the Budget b/c it was funded by YOUR tax dollars, but since the Gov’t has ripped us off how do we fix it bc I ve been paying into it for 30yrs I want my money back and I’m sure any conservative person would agree that just handing someone your money is just not cool.

      • h8theleft

        good questions, let me know where you stand on voting. 

      • Anonymous

         Agreed, very good issue points.

      • Tyler

        If you’ll read this, I’ll be glad to start you on your path.  

        You can’t really go by record on these since Cain has never held public office before, but I can assure you Paul has the record to back all of your areas up if you just wanna look around hard enough…so let’s go just by the words for now.Economy – Cain doesn’t want to even so much as audit the Fed (well…after he said that he was behind Paul and all for it), but I dunno.  Which one do you believe is his real stance and why would he lie about it?  Paul wants to END it and has never said any different.Military – Cain believes that he needs advisement.  Paul believes that much of our militarism is unconstitutional and we should resort to only having troops in places where they’re actually needed and stop funding the military/industrial complex and has never said any different.

        Illegal aliens – Haven’t heard Cain speak about this, but I’m fairly sure he’s gonna talk a good talk about securing the borders.  Paul believes that immigration needs to be reformed through returning to a more open and free market.

        Freedom vs. Government Control – Both candidates speak a good game here.  Paul has the record to back up his convictions though.

        Gun rights – Both candidates will talk a good game here.  Paul thinks that even the registry system is unconstitutional since the 2nd Amendment says Congress shall make NO LAW.

        Term Limits – I’m not sure if I’ve heard Cain say anything about this.  I think I heard Paul state that he does believe in them, but the system needs to be fixed first or something to that degree.

        Animals vs. People – I’m pretty sure both candidates are on the same page in word and in deed here that people are more important.

        Health Care – Cain so far has said the same thing the others have said which is to repeal Obamacare, but has said nothing that I know of about any alternative. Paul has said he wants to repeal not only Obamacare, but the previous status quos of welfare including Medicare, Medicaid, the FDA’s strict testing requirements for drugs and treatments, insurance companies’ overhead/disaster ratios being government-controlled…on other words…a truly free market system like it was when he first became a doctor decades ago which means it will be cheaper and therefore more accessible to citizens and those who cannot afford it will be covered by private charities.

        Social Security – Both candidates I’m sure are going to say the same thing about slow and steady reform…however, Paul is aware that it’s not politically “safe” to do so yet he not only wants reform but to completely do away with the program altogether because no such thing is in the Constitution.

        Here’s another one you didn’t think about that you might as well check out…taxation:

        Cain keeps talking about the FairTax and Paul talks about a 10% flat-tax in exchange for the government not doing anything for anyone…just going back to its Constitutional limits.  Based on Paul’s record…I believe he will actually follow through.  Based on Cain’s affiliation with the Federal Reserve and flip-flop about them…I’m not sure any of the things he says he’ll actually follow through with.

        Info’s presented…now…you can decipher as you wish.

        • Steve L

          Thanks Tyler for going through that giving your thoughts and some of the facts that we do have at this point. Really hard for me at least to give Cain any support especially over Paul at this point. I think you said it best a while ago when you said  “The Federal Reserve.  That alone should seriously make more Cainites go “Um…maybe not.” Everyone can talk a good game, but I can’t think of anything positive an ex Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank would have for the PEOPLE. Thanks.

        • h8 libs

          thanks for spelling it out.cain it is. 

          • Tyler

            Your username needs to change since you apparently hate the candidate who’s more right-leaning here.

        • Anonymous

           Unquestionably Ron Paul.

  • h8theleft

    ron pauls peers laugh at ron paul. 

    • Tyler

      I wouldn’t call them “peers.”  They are his enemies now that he’s actually running against them. 

  • Anonymous

    Gotta give the Paulians credit. They know how to freep a poll.

    Despite my worries over Cain’s health and his slow delivery (debates, remember), I still vote for him out of that list. Second place isn’t even worth thinking about. I wouldn’t want any of those guys as VP.

    • Tyler

      I wouldn’t trust Cain if I were you…but it’s your call.

      • Anonymous

        What a strange comment. We can’t trust the man? What’s he gonna do? Pull an Obama and run as The Next Reagan, but then turn out to be The Next Lenin?

        Sorry, but “The Next Lenin” was written all over Obama’s actions, words, supporters, and insiders. People swallowed the propaganda.

        Cain is pretty much what you can see. There’s no propaganda machine working for him, and the media will try to kill his candidacy. I don’t need special pleading to see he’s a decent guy.

        • Tyler

          The Federal Reserve is pulling the man’s strings.  It’s a gut feeling you get when you know you’re being lied to which leads me to believe this from his past involvement with them and his flip-flop about whether or not to audit them.

          Even the number one thing that sounds great about him…the Fair Tax uses new language to propose a new law like “prebate” and not to mention that the Fair Tax in order to work properly would require repealing of the 16th Amendment and abolishing the IRS which the chances of such a thing happening are slim to none.  

          Here’s what I predict.  If he gets into the White House…then he and the rest of the big government Rs will just enact the Fair Tax into law without doing the latter and we’ll have Europe’s system of an income AND sales tax.

          • Anonymous

            You are confusing an institution (the existence of which may not be good for economic growth and prosperity) with the people that are appointed to govern it. A good man could take the helm there, and try to minimize the damage such an institution could do.

            Larry Kudlow interviews former Fed Board members regularly, and those guys are pretty sharp, and often are fairly conservative.

            Working there doesn’t automatically make someone a Bilderburger.

            I think Congress can screw up the Fair Tax all by itself. No good idea goes thru congress without becoming a heavily-polished t*rd.

            • Tyler

              Okay…can you explain his inconsistency with regards to auditing the institution?  I provided the link to the video towards the top of this thread, if you haven’t already watched it.  When candidates flip-flop, that’s just not a good sign…especially when they do so early on.  Congress screwing up the Fair Tax was exactly the point I was making in regards to “in order to work properly.”  Congress isn’t very likely to repeal the 16th Amendment and the IRS…but no matter WHICH party controls them…they’re ALL OVER enacting new laws (Fair Tax being the one here) without thinking twice about it.  That’s why I say that most likely, the Fair Tax would become the European system of a SALES AND INCOME tax…because the latter would not be repealed.

    • h8libs

       you say slow delivery i  say no teleprompter.

  • Anonymous

     umm, where’s Palin on the poll?

  • Bunnnot

    I see the Paulbots got the word out to spam another poll…. 

    • Anonymous

      I wouldn’t say that, I believe many underestimate the continuously growing number of Ron Paul supporters.

      • Tyler

        I’m looking forward to seeing this all unfold.  My job from here on out is to get more people to actually decipher the BS and learn what the truth is.  Ya know…make an INFORMED decision.

        • Sorry To Live In Illinois

          Tyler, I agree with most everything you say.  However…..There is a huge difference in being right and being electable.  Ron is so right on so many issues, but I simply don’t believe he can be elected on a national level.

          Simon Cowell calls it the “It” factor.  Ron Paul does not have “It”.  And before you hammer me on the American Idol reference, keep in mind this is the mentality, unfortunately, of the American People.  LOL  :-(

          • Tyler

            Me thinks you like everybody else is underestimating two things.

            1.) Paul’s actually got a growing “it factor” because of the philosophy he spreads being accepted by more and more people all the time.

            2.) Obama has not delivered on his promises, so all those independents who voted for him before believing that he would actually bring a positive change…won’t be there for him this time.

            The “old guard” candidates (virtually being everybody except Paul and Johnson at the moment) aren’t going to resonate with those independents the way that either of those two would.  I choose Paul over Johnson because of a more vast experience and record to back up his philosophy and because he appears less timid.

            • Jackyl

               Well Tyler, he did live up to one promise – he fundamentally transformed our country (AKA-Obamacare)!

              As far as candidates, I really wish West, Palin, Rubio, Ryan, and/or Bachman would throw their hats in the ring.  They are my candidates, although I would not be unhappy with either Ron Paul or John Huntsman.  However, I do not think either Paul or Huntsman can win in the current lineup.  The centrists will not go with either.

              As the field stands, I would guess Pawlenty, Romney or Santorum would take the election.  Cain I think has an outside chance for President, but I think he has a much stronger chance to win as a VP in this election, assuming his background does not turn out to be RINO. 

      • Tyler

        I’m looking forward to seeing this all unfold.  My job from here on out is to get more people to actually decipher the BS and learn what the truth is.  Ya know…make an INFORMED decision.

    • http://twitter.com/AMYROWILSON AMY WILSON

      Paulbots….I think that was created media hype from Fox News when they couldn’t explain why he did so well in the polls back in the ’08 election.  It almost seemed like a planned attack by the right to discredit him.  NO OTHER CANDIDATE who wins a poll is accused of having BOTS running around plugging polls.  WAKE UP!  He’s a true American hero standing up for what’s right and the establishment (on both sides) cannot fathom the loss of control they might have if he were elected.  After hearing from the author of “The Creature from Jekyll Island’, I’m convinced he was right on – you never hear the media or politicians on both sides ever criticize the FED because most are in support of it (Republicans & Democrats).  Has it ever occurred to you that a candidate who is opposed to the FED might then be demonized from all those who support the FED.  Ron Paul wants to abolish the FED – who else out there is saying this??? I wish people would quit always buying everything fed to them just because someone in the media said it (both sides, by the way).  Ron Paul is the real deal!

      • Tyler

        Amen.

  • http://profiles.google.com/jsalexander100 Justin Alexander

    I know we all hate Obama’s guts here, but it’s looking clear as day now thanks to the weak Republican field… anyone else willing to say 2012 is a lock for the incumbent? 

    • Tyler

      I don’t hate anyone.  I hate Obama’s policies…not him personally.  Plus, it sounds like you’re underestimating America’s anger with Obama.  Many still believe that he just needs longer…but many more and the number seems to be growing are angry because of his broken promise after broken promise about ending the warfare state but instead expanding it and instead of ending the warrantless wiretaps deciding that people shouldn’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy on a cell phone.  Every friend I have who voted for Obama and actually believed his crap are now voting for Ron Paul in these primaries.

  • Anonymous

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  • http://twitter.com/Chris100358 Chris

    why? 

  • Anonymous

     Any poll that has Ron Paul at 60% is worthless.

    • Anonymous

       Not to the huge amount of Ron Paul supporters it most certainly isn’t.

      • Anonymous

        Not discounting his support, just the validity of the poll.

        • Tyler

          It truly is just a poll anyway.  There were polls right before Clinton was elected which stated that he had only 5%.  What happens?  He gets elected not only once, but twice.

          So…I can agree with you that early poll numbers really mean a whole lot of nothing if nothing else.

    • http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer

       Ya, it’s as scientific as the Global Warming climate data from East Anglia.

  • KenInMontana
  • sorry to live in Illinois

     Right now, Cain is the best of the field, and the only one on your list I would consider voting for.  But, a black Bob Dole comes to mind.  My candidate(s) are not yet on the list.

    • Tyler

      Best for who?  Most certainly not us.  Republican Obama does not have our best interests at heart.

  • Ralph Lapaugh

     SARAH PALIN, and ONLY SARAH PALIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!