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okay, wait a minute- do you support the raising of the minimum wage? or would you suggest that there should be no legislated minimum wage?
uh- you are as ignorant as she is.
really, she didn't get a fair shake? she is a moron.
if you had any substantive defense of her, rather than your apologist crap, you would not need to resort to calling her opponent "whiny".
by the way, did you miss the part where she clarified her ignorance of the bill of rights?
For anyone who is new to the thread and feels like catching up, let me give you the bullet point version of what the left has said in this thread.
-Not a single democrat has used the cloture vote in the last two years.
-France is a model the United States should try and emulate
-Obama has actually reduced the deficit by 8%
-Obama is likes the world's greatest fireman and the republicans like to jump up and down on roofs.
That about sums it up.
Meaningful. Very meaningful criticism. Well, at least no epithets.
You really seem worried about someone ACTUALLY reading these exchanges. Relax. They're all on your side.
It's a post on an obscure website which ultimately will have no effect on the world as a whole. None of this is meaningful beyond how it changes my daily life. The difference is I recognize this, and you don't.
Thank you. I thought for a second there I was speaking with something other than some epithet-throwing trailer trash.
But good job. No spelling errors.
These people stun me. First they try to tell themselves cloture votes over the last two years have been exclusively used by republicans...and now the deficit has decreased. Incredible.
It's all over the news wires that Obama's administration has reduced government spending and the deficit. There's a debate going on right now between economist Paul Krugman and writers from the Heritage Foundation. Heritage Foundation rebutted Krugman's claim by using different figures: Krugman used dollars, the Heritage Foundation used ratio of government spending % with GDP. In relation to GDP, the percentage of government spending is higher because the GDP has plummeted in the face of the house bubble burst. But ratio aside, the actual numbers of dollars spent on "government spending" is significantly down. As is the deficit, by about 8%.
You can google this. Honest. No kool-aid needed. Facts are facts.
Again, Republicans should just love this guy, but they don't. Ultra liberals don't like him much, either, BTW, because he has reduced spending so much because they think he sould spend more to revive the economy and social services. Krugman was actually criticizing Obama for cutting government spending so much.
Hmm. "drive-bay smear merchants". I can only guess what kind of a smear that was meant to address. I'm just Joe Friday: the facts ma'am, just the facts.
All this other gobbledy-gook... well, it's sounds a lot like ideology, just like the gobbledy-gook of communist Dialectics and Historical Materialism stuff: a bunch of nonsense when it ignores economics and the well-being of its citizens, the ultimate points of capitalism, by the way.
Yup, ideology is the magic-thinking of politics and leads to one place: the trash heap of history.
Good luck and good night!
BTW. I also wanted to thank the site for posting the whole interview. It was the easiest site to find with the whole interview. CNN may have had it, too, but it was all but impossible to find.
American Exceptionalism:
1) The only developed country without universal health care
2) 24th and 27th in Math and Science education
3) Leads in no industry except Arms (govt subsidized) and Agriculture (govt subsidized); in fact, leads only in academic research...you got it, 100% govt subsidized)
4) Cannot compete in the manufacture of cars with France, Germany, Japan
5) Leads in murders per capita in the developed world
6) Leads in crime per capita in the developed world
7) Leads in drug abuse per capita in the developed world
I could go on. But maybe you have an even more Exceptional list.
Any sane human, can easily distinguish the winner of this debate and the stronger candidate. Christine O'Donnell ate the Coons lunch and showed him for what he is; a blundering career politician who is obviously a manipulative liar and does not give a wit about anyones opinion except his own. What a clod hopper! Only a unsophisticated buffoon would vote for this Coon chump.
Any sane human, can easily distinguish the winner of this debate and the stronger candidate. Christine O'Donnell ate the Coons lunch and showed him for what he is; a blundering career politician who is obviously a manipulative liar and does not give a wit about anyones opinion except his own. What a clod hopper! Only a unsophisticated buffoon would vote for this Coon chump.
In a way you could say they did.They thought that after all the darkness and bitterness that had controlled so much of human was finally coming to an end with the Enlightenment.And I guess you can't blame them.The world was opening up in ways never possible before and it seemed if the best and brightest took the reins the world would become a more peaceful and civilized place.They could've done alot worse.At least we ended up with the only revolution that in the end didn't destory itself,so they must've done a few things right.
Adams is amazing.He started out with so much hope and pride with what was being done.And then when the nation moved away from what he thought was the true path he became disenchanted.He was spiteful or coldhearted,maybe a little to stubborn for his own good.But I hear alot of people say that about New Englanders.His writings on politics and government are amazing and aer probably a level or two above anything being produced today.
"Means well for his Country,is always honest Man,often a Wise One,but sometimes and in some things,absolutely out of his senses."
Benjamin Franklin on John Adams
Rome was supposed to be,but as humans they fell to vice,corruption,greed,all the same things every other people who hold power fall to.The Founders for the most part felt that with the Elightenment,reason,education and the doing away of self interest,religion,and war,people would be able to raise above themselves and act as enlightenment people.We of course know that such things,if possible at all,are not with in our grasp yet.Adams in his later years became upset and discouraged by the American people because he thought all they cared about was their own social status and their need to obtain the newst fashions or home furnishings.The Founders had an idealized dream of Rome based around the writings of Cicero.Virgil,Sallust,the play Cato and the histories of Roman as had been written by various authors.I'm that by the 1800's most of the Founders,Jefferson and Madison for sure,knew that a pure republic would never work and that it was best to work with the system in the way it had evolved and make the best country possible.
you might be surprised how many well armed, sighted in, and willing to shoot democrats there are. speaking of which, unless the point is to foment another civil war, perhaps we would be better served putting the crosshairs on the common enemy, not on one another. then all we have to do is stop trashing each other long enough to find a common enemy. okay, too tall of an order, let's just trash each other.
perhaps, for clarity, i should have used the phrase "democrats willing to shoot".
the phrase "willing to shoot democrats", seems somehow awkward, in retrospect.
i am imagining that catherine enjoyed it, though, and am glad to have provided the folly.
Puh-leez! You drawing a blank and Christine O'Donnell drawing a blank is a apples/oranges example. Give me a break! Point is she should have an example, she DIDN'T, stop making excuses for stupidity!!
Puh-leez! You drawing a blank and Christine O'Donnell drawing a blank is a apples/oranges example. Give me a break! Point is she should have an example, she DIDN'T, stop making excuses for stupidity!!
I agree. Why does she even have more than the 10% of the loony and the simple doesn't make sense to me either.
Seems to me that quite a number of people have either overlooked,forgotten or are just woefully ignorant of the founder's intent that our legislature to be a Citizen legislature. It was never intended to be a nest of "professional" vipers as it has become.
And, as liberal as they were for the time, their notion of what a voting citizen was would be wholly unacceptable now.
Adams,Hamilton,Washington,Madison (before 1792 anyways) wanted a class of liberally educated men (and I guess one day women) who were self suffiecent in their needs and earnings that could be voted to office by the people.They could be above the fray and common interest and would be able to vote for what was best for the country and not the voters purse and their own as we to often see.They wanted a true republic along the lines of Rome or the Greek city states.Most of the Founders believed that only with a thorough education and a total disinterest in the commonness of life would a politican truly and fairly govern.A natural aristocracy based on merit,education,vitrue, and disinterestedness was what they were aiming for.Though of course not long after the War of Independence democracy took hold through a combination of economic and social factors and we ended up having a democracy based around a republic.
Yes they were striving for the idealized Republic of the Romans,because they actually saw the inherent pitfalls of the Democracy of the Greeks. However they all did come back closer to reality in the end, as evidenced in the language of the documents they left to us. But my point was that while they envisioned "educated" citizens representing their fellow citizens, I truly believe that the professional politicians we have been cursed with would have them grabbing their muskets.
Yes they were striving for the idealized Republic of the Romans,because they actually saw the inherent pitfalls of the Democracy of the Greeks. However they all did come back closer to reality in the end, as evidenced in the language of the documents they left to us. But my point was that while they envisioned "educated" citizens representing their fellow citizens, I truly believe that the professional politicians we have been cursed with would have them grabbing their muskets.
i hear all these people talk about this intimate knowledge of what the founders intended.
the founders never intended for women to serve as anything other than wives.
by your logic, the founders intentions are the very reason why odonnell SHOULD NOT be a politician.
You obviously don't read much do you? At least nothing of any substance, as your inept attempt at extrapolation as so aptly demonstrated.
Coons lied to his employees to protect his surplus for a triple bond rating to catapult himself into the Senate race. He is a manipulating, rich boy who has never seen hard times. Have Wolf Biltzer ask him that question. He refused to release his tax return to the public stating,"... I will show you mine if you show me hers...." New Castle County got plowed by this guy, both employees and residents. Pay decreases and three years worth of tax hikes. I think New Castle County is supporting Chris to get him out of New Castle County Government. SNL could ask the devil to play his part, make sure he has a forked tongue.
O'Donel is an illiterate deadbeat. She refuses to speak about issues and falls back on talking points and cliches
I love how people call someone "illiterate" while they demonstrate that they can't even post a grammatically correct sentence.
Her talking points and cliches are great. Oh, and by the way, I'm sure she can read just fine. Plus as far as the deadbeat comment, I must admit I have been late on paying bills at one pint in my life. I didn't intend to, but times were tough for me back then. Those of us that have been through that have a better understanding of the average American. Coons is one of the elite and doesn't have a clue how to allow America to prosper.
Yes. I think we should finally let the Something-for-Nothing party (Tea party) take over.
Deadbeats, freeloaders, and excuse-making opportunists unite!
You should try Mexico, Brazil, Equador...go ahead. Pick a banana republic. They have your "less" government....
But, once again, love those specifics. Less Government. Sort of like More Freedom. Sounds great until you actually have to figure it what it means. If you're a good observer, you quickly discover it's code for No Idea.
Sorry you don't understand, I said less government not no government.
If healthcare needs reform, it is not for the government to do, they will only make it worse. Have you noticed the increase insurance costs that Obama said would come down.
Yeah. Less government. I think that would fit in a bicycle bumper even.
Wow. Deep. Detailed. Clear.
Sorry about that democracy stuff. I'm actually only able to influence massive economic and policy issues thru that dang guvment. Good luck on your reforming healthcare...and, btw, how's the highway building going?
I'm sorry Trudy can you explain this in explicit detail. Since I'm not an Obama kool-aid drinker I can't understand it. Oh wait, I guess most of your points are either not true or are too simplified to qualify as a point. You have stumbled on a few truths, but they tend to prove you wrong since you rely on government as the answer to all.
We need less government.
I'm sorry Trudy can you explain this in explicit detail. Since I'm not an Obama kool-aid drinker I can't understand it. Oh wait, I guess most of your points are either not true or are too simplified to qualify as a point. You have stumbled on a few truths, but they tend to prove you wrong since you rely on government as the answer to all.
We need less government.
I'm guessing you don't read much. So, what the hell, I'll help:
1) a) get healthcare spending under control. b) since any deficit/debt solution means fixing SocSec and Medicare, this will require bipartisan support and republicants are complete cowards or wall street lackeys on the subject, Obama created the bipartisan panel to make recommendations...you know, just like Reagan did last time it was fixed..c) start to take away the punch bowl of military spending on wasteful pork weapons systems. d) many more things, but I recommend using the NYTimes, the web, etc to inform yourself.
2) It may be 2,500 pages, but fixing a massively broken piece of the economy representing somewhere around 1/6 of economic activity needs a bit of attention to detail.... and, well, let's just say a 26 pager (like the Republicant's silliness) ain't gonna let them put together a tractor.
3) a)cap-and-trade. b) massive spending/tax cuts to support renewable energy. c) more money to university/private partnerships in tech. d) massive spending on infrastructure repair and upgrade. e) expansion of export tax credits and new incentives for manufacturing exports. f) and much more
4) a) Reduce the pork-barrel of new/unneeded weapons systems b) pull us out of Iraq. c) Put an endpoint to the money-sink of Afghanistan d) put all our wars ON-BUDGET rather than hiding them like the Republicants did
Aren't your intelligent folks in power right now? What have they done the last two years with this list that you have? What's your plan? Since you are so intelligent, enlighten us.
If you could explain to me any of the following:
1) What is their plan for "fixing" the deficit and the debt
2) What is their plan for assuring affordability of healthcare for everyone
3) What is their plan for making America competitive with advanced industrial economies and rising ones
4) What is their plan for being able to pay 1/4 of the budget for Defense
They are cowards and opportunists who think all you need to do is say something and its true. My favorite example they share with the rest of the SFN crowd in the Republic party: "We'll fix healthcare! and we won't need 2,500 pages!!!!"
Yes, I like to say. It ain't easy. But then again, when was the last one-pager you saw for operating a simple aircraft carrier?
You've just united entirely different peoples. Someone who is a deadbeat is totally different from an opportunist.
Explain to me how the Tea Party believes in something for nothing. I'd love to read it.
Yes. I think we should finally let the Something-for-Nothing party (Tea party) take over.
Deadbeats, freeloaders, and excuse-making opportunists unite!
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