Levin had a great monolog last nite. The opposite of that lowlife Joe Scarborough who managed to blame the NRA. What has anyone in the NRA got to do with somebody who shoots his mother in the face. That is such an egregious insult. Mister Scarborough - I want to hear a public apology. These demagogues need to stuff a sock in it. And what have they got to crow about anyway - did their thousands of laws 'prevent this from ever happening again' - the CERTAIN sign of a demagogue at work. And it is funny how they get army guys who go on like an AR-15 is an 'assault weapon' - funny, all the army guys I have met know the difference between auto and semi-automatic. Just sayin.
Let us set the context - after 9-11 congress was stampeded and we end up with the TSA sticking their hands down our pants, and the prospect of drones over us. So now the nuts are ginning up another stampede to destroy the God given right to defend ourselves. Do you see a pattern here. Surveillance plus disarming the citizens. That does not smell right. Do a gut check on whether that would be the good old usa.
So - what are the NPR libs talking about ? Everybody needs mental health screening and nobody needs more than three in a clip.
Of course, logically speaking, if we don't need the Second Amendment, well, we don't need the first or the third, fourth etc.
They cite statistics, but not about how many die in car accidents or hospitals. And their statistics say that gang members who kill each other are in the group where they know each other - as if it is family - same as they lump suicides with murders. So, they lie with statistics. But that does not stop Brian Lehrer. Yeah, I listen to them. That is how I know they are obnoxious nitwits.
Way too many people conflate what happened with what the Media is saying. Just as with Trayvon. If they get away with lying and insults, they just do more of it. They are right at home in their little bubble.
So, Mister Scarborough, maybe we ought to take a look at whether you 'need' the first amendment. King Charles certainly thought the whole idea was absurd. He wanted conformity and if you taught at oxford and said something he or his minions did not like - you go before the Star Chamber, and are fired from your position. Guess what - they left for New England, and created the foundations for this country.
I've said this before and I'll say it again.
In the last couple decades, we have been (liberally) 'programmed' to be a nation of cowards. We have been told again and again that it is our duty to cower in fear from evil until somebody 'qualified' comes along to 'defend' us.
We have seen again and again that anybody who decides to stand their ground, (or perish the thought), come to the aid of another person in danger, (especially with a gun), will become the object of (legal) scrutiny and often be labeled 'criminally' unqualified in the process.
Even the most casual stroll through history will point out that one of the first moves of a totalitarian regime is to remove the right to self defense and make the populace dependent on the government for their very survival.
tinlizzieowner, my above posted comment should remind all Americans our future without arms to defend our family, property and our nation.
these are only a few of the tears and heart breakers under the democrat party rule, where the Constitution Never Lives.
Lest we forget.
Does anyone remember the massacre at Randy Weavers home in Ruby Ridge?
Does anyone remember the massacre at WACO Texas? Military Tanks Fire & Gas, then later the leaders of the needless assult were promoted.
The needless assult on both of these familes by Unlished out of control power.
by the way all happened under Bill Clinton and Janet Reno, a Democrat Adminisitration. Hello is anybody home?
thank the founders for the 2nd Second Admendment.
Keep a cool tool
Michael Berry (Houston radio show) was saying yesterday how he believes that the left are exploiting this crisis by suggesting to the victims that gun laws need to be enforced WHILE they are still in a state of shock. i believe this is what's happening now. They basically take the advantage of people's emotions when they can't think straight and I think that's why when you see polls that say 63% want to ban guns, these "pollsters" are not in a right state of mind. If this is what the left is doing, than they are not human. Bunch of sick freaks that need to be locked up PRONTO!!
Why do I get the feeling that there will be an Executive Order in this Friday afternoon's news dump (coincidentally, supposedly the day the world as we know it ends) basically stifling the 2nd Amendment and making the Congress irrelevant at the same time (with an excuse that it is in the public's good and for the protection of "our children").
For expedience, they will forgo the need for Congress to repeal an amendment because, as all people know, Congress gets nothing done and our children need to be protected. Boehner will come on TV and explain that he's in agreement with Obama, as long as he can keep his speakership. He'll shed a small tear for effect.
This will be the beginning, not of the end, but of the new fight - one we will take to Obama himself.
I thought since he mentioned it during the debate that he would do something before he left for Hawaii and as this is the last Friday before the Holiday recess, it makes alot of sense. Then again,we have to say NO to it regardless. Obama and the establishment are tyrants who mean to literally enslave and then Murder us. He is not going to stop at just Assault Weapons. They don't want us to have as much as a plastic butter knife to defend ourselves given what their Orwellian goals are. If he get's semi-auto's and high capacity magazines, he will be back very shortly for Revolvers and Bolt Action Rifles untill we can't even own a pellet gun. That's why we have to say No and say it now. They want to start swarming our properties to survey them under UN Global Warming so they can tax us into oblivion. They want the EPA and FADA to have access to our properties so they can regulate our water ( Including literally puddles ) and our Home gardens and fine, regulate and re-distribute all of our assets,basically taxing us into the poor house so they can confiscate our property and move us into an inner city gulag where they plan on abusing us and working us to death. Now they can Hardly do any of that if we have Firearms. That's why we have to say NO NOW because Tyrants don't magically stop on their own they have to at some point be stood up to and Stopped!
Liberals want to ban guns, which are permitted in our U.S. Constitution. But these same liberals want to legalize pot. Seriously, what more do you need to know about them and their freakish way of thinking?
I think as conservatives it is time to look seriously at limiting certain guns and restricting or banning the ability to purchase them. It really is difficult to argue there is not some inherrent value in having this disscussion.
Why anyone needs common assault weopons is an argument really difficult to defend. The statistical evidence is overwhelmingly slanted towards the gun related deaths in first world nations as compared to the US.
2nd ammendment right aside, there is no way any of those who signed could have imagined the carnage these guns could cause today. Finally, it will happen with our imput or without it the public mood is changing.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
What is it about the words "SHALL NOT be infringed", that's so damned difficult to understand?
I never once said it wouldn't. By the way, it's not a 'debate', it's a decree. We will keep passing gun laws until only those who don't care about 'the law' will have guns. It certainly wouldn't be the first time in history. :-(
NRA presser Dec. 21st offer serious contribution. See I told you the debate will happen with or without you
"I have zero fear government is going to turn on me".
You are naive. Lots of people in the 1930's Germany felt the same way.
"In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
German anti-Nazi activist, Pastor Martin Niemöller
I have zero fear government is going to turn on me. Read this do you not think it is horrible so many innocent people die because of your irrational fear the government is after you.
Most Gun Deaths Per 100K People
Rather than looking at the sheer number of deaths caused by firearms in the top ten exporters, a more accurate way to compare them is by gun deaths per 100,000 citizens. In that ranking, for those who break gun deaths out from their annual murder rate, the United States is again at the top of the list, this per the World Health Organization and the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime.
The United States in 2009 had 3 gun deaths for every 100,000 people over the course of the year, completely eclipsing the next nearest country’s rate of .96, coming from Israel, by a wide margin. When you factor in the .243 rate of France, the second-highest gun owning country, the United States’ gun troubles seem even more problematic. Notable in this context, in the aftermath of mass shootings, other countries have tightened their laws accordingly and seen a drop in gun violence.
Apparently the verbatim words of the 2nd Amendment are too difficult for some to understand.
I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you that a 'well regulated militia' defeated the Army of the British Empire and created this country in the first place, has it.
I don't suppose it's ever occurred to you that a 'well regulated militia' called the Viet Kong was instrumental in creating the Country of Viet Nam, has it.
Are you aware of the fact that a 'well regulated militia' is kicking the snot out of Assad's army in Syria right now?
Stick to 'World of Warcraft' friend. You're in over your pay grade when it concerns how things can turn out in the real world, sometimes.
First, Your not a "Conservative". "Why anyone needs common Assault Weapons is an argument really diificult to defend". Really? As far as i know we can't own Assault Weapon's because real "Assault Weapons" have an Automatic capability unlike the AR-15 and AK-47 semi-auto knockoff's that can only fire on semi-auto which is what they would like to ban.
The reason we need semi-auto weapon's is because our God Given Second Ammendment Right's were meant to be the final deterrent against a Tyrannical government. We need some weapon's that are equal to what that tyrannical governments military would have. And that is perhap's more relevant today given the type of Firepower at a government's disposal than it was in 1776 when the weapon's on both sides had were more equal.
"2nd Ammendment Right's aside, there is no way any of those who signed could have imagined the carnage these guns could cause today". Interesting. if the signers saw what the government had at it's disposal in the form of Drones,Tanks armoured personnell carriers,night vision,thermal imaging,protective vest's and helmet's,listening devices,gps tracking system's,machine gun's,chemical,biological and nuclear weapons, they would be advocating that we have access to some of those weapon system's let alone not ever giving up our semi-auto weapon's.
Lastly you say, "It will happen with our input or without it the public mood is changing". The public mood is not changing in their direction. They are just saying it is and giving all the people opposed to our God Given Second Ammendment a monopoly on the public forums. In the meantime,the real barometer of public opinion has people voting with their "Wallet",by continuing to buy Firearms at a record pace. That's a Conservative estimate of 90 million Firearms with over 300 million Firearms. That also tells alot about how RIGGED the election of Obama was, since those 90 million people would not vote to put someone in who would take way their Firearms. Also, this is the one AMMENDMENT, that was made specifically, so a tyrannical government would have cause to be concerned,if they ever did try to go door to door to Round these weapon's up. It was designed just for when they try to take it away. I'm sure you'll be the first one through the door to try and take them away. sarc
Let's get something straight as conservatives we can have different points of view on certain issues. No one made you the final oracle on who is and who isn't a conservative. There are many respected conservatives who favor a review of gun control.
If you honestly live in fear the government is going to turn on you and other citizens these weapons would be useless. You had better start saving up to purcahse a fleet of fighter jets, tanks, aircraft carriers etc..... Further you would never be allowed to amass a force such as this because more Americans would be more concearned about you then their government.
You clearly suffer from some delusional fantasies, simply because an election is lost does not mean ergo it was fixed. I no more wanted Obama elected any more then you, but he was.
Finally, this debate is going to happen. With you or without you bank on it. There is just to much world wide evidence that gun control works.
So what would you like to see Frank, checkpoints and "Let me see your papers" every 100 miles or so?
"Limited gun control" is only limited to what the government decides it's going to be.
I love my country but I fear my government.
I am sorry that you do not - or cannot - see what my point #1 has got to do with gun control.
Thank you for stating it, though, because this means there's no basis on which to debate.
I think I have responded to the mental health issue, US is not the only country with mental health issues but it is the only country without strict gun controls. Without gun controls it also has the highest gun related deaths and mass shootings by a wide margin.
As far as shoe laces, knives and automobiles, there appears to be very little problem with these weapons. Mostly because they are incapable of inflicting the level of damage in as short a period of time.
I am not sure how number one has anything to do with gun control. City bans don't and can't work. For example Chicago says we ban the sale of cigs one day. The next day they announce no one smokes in Chicago. This is not true because people simply buys their cigs in next juridiction and brings them back.
Same with guns, bans can't work without border control, city and states don't have that. Must be nationwide.
If you want to compare America to Mexico go ahead, but that is so sad. Mexico has one of the worst crime rates in the world. Try to compare to the best not the worst.
As far as Germany and Finland, compare deaths and mass shootings in both countries to US and for that matter compare to any first world nation US has the highest rates by a mile. Difference all those nations have strict gun control US doesn't.
"Finally, this debate is going to happen. With you or without you bank on it. There is just to much world wide evidence that gun control works."
The only time that 'gun control' has been proven to work, is when the government controls all the guns.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news for you but the reality is this....criminals and the criminally insane do not care about laws! Disarming law abiding citizens will only make the criminals target easier because criminals are by nature lazy bullies that love an easy target. Switzerland is a golden example of citizens who are given the right to bear arms and it works! Countries and states that have gun control have soaring crime rates because they have no way to protect themselves. You cannot rely on government for anything and most especially your own personal safety! The real issue is not the guns, it's the lack of real mental healthcare availability and the lack of power families have to get mentally ill people the help they need. Insurance doesn't cover it and there is no way to force someone to get necessary help when they need it. The guns aren't the issue. A criminally insane individual can do a great deal of damage with anything they choose. Are you going to ban shoe laces, knives, or an automobile? All are capable of being used lethally in the hands of a criminally insane individual! Banning assault guns will only mean that the criminals have them and you will not have the proper weapon to defend yourself should the situation arise. Quit falling for the falicy of logic in gun control and wise up!
You write "... this debate is going to happen. With you or without you bank on it. There is just to much world wide evidence that gun control works."
1) "This debate" is based on lies, because the same people, from Obama and Holder down, have acted as the most vile gun salesmen in Fast & Furious, and the corrupt MSM are still not reporting, never mind investigating.
This would be like debating drug restrictions with drug lords.
2) "Gun control works" - tell that to the Chicagoans who are killed on a daily basis by guns, in the city with the strictest gun laws. 10 were killed during that same weekend as Newtown. That's gun control at work!
Tell the Mexicans, with their strict gun control laws, that it works, with over 300 killed, some with weapons pushed by Obama and Holder in Fast & Furious.
Tell the Germans and Finns that gun control works, who have seen the slaughter of pupils as bad as those at Newtown.
There you go again with the "As Conservatives". Do you really think that is working? Your not Conservative! You want to give in to government control and surrender the most important God Given Right that gives all the other's "Teeth" and gives us the best chance at perserving our individual Liberty and Freedom and you still are pretending to be Conservative?...YOUR NOT! "These weapon's would be useless". Yep. Like small arms were useless by the Vietnamese against us ( The greatest military power in history ) in the Vietnam War and like they are currently "Useless" against us in Afghanistan and iraq and before that somalia. Those weapon's seemed to do a pretty good job of stymying us.
"Finally,this debate is going to happen". What "Debate". There is going to be NO "Debate". This legislation or decree is a done deal. It's also a done deal that we are going to say NO to it!
No, not a rant.
As I said government is drunk with power and control. "Gun control" is just another grab for more power and control. I gave you other examples only to reinforce and illustrate why I believe what I do.
Don't let government grab anymore power and control than they already have. You're playing right into their hands.
Come on you are not even debating the issue anymore, you have just gone off on a rant. Nothing is ever solved doing that.
And I have to believe that all of the mass shootings are carried out my people that are mentally disturbed in one way or another.
What it comes down to for me is this:
I believe our government is drunk with power and control. It has been slowly building for years. All over the world when government grows, liberty fades and freedom is lost. We have lost so many freedoms I'm extremely hesitant to give Washington any more power than they already have.
A few examples of why I say what I say...
From my perspective, you don't own your paycheck; the government does. Why? Because at anytime they can change the laws and take as much of the money you earned as they want from it and you have no control over it. If you can't control it, then (in this case) you don't own it.
You don't own the property your house sits on; your local government or state does. Why? Because if you don't make your tax payment on it, it can be confiscated from you. If there is a lean on it by the government, then you don't own it.
And now, with Obamacare, an argument can be made that you don't own your body anymore either.
The government tells us how much water we can have in our toilet bowls.
The government tells us what type of light bulbs we can have in our homes and businesses.
They "invest" our money without our explicit permission.
The government treats every citizen like a terrorist just to get on an airplane.
Between Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, Obamacare, etc. if you're a senior citizen, your entire existence depends on the government to provide for you.
Rahm Emanuel said never let a crisis go to waste. This is exactly what is going on right now with gun laws. Now they want to ban certain types of weapons, in a few years it will be other types. Eventually it will be all guns. Mark my words. The gun issue is just another step in totalitarian control of the government over the people of this country and you're enabling them to do it.
In my opinion, our government wants a scared, dependent, complacent, ignorant citizenry to control. It makes their life easier and moves us closer and closer to being slaves to them.
To be fair every westernized democracy battles with the same issue regarding mental health. The US is not alone, and many in those nations have no better control or management of the issue.
The only real difference between the nations is an American's ease of access to weapons and serious weapons. The gun related deaths and crime is overwhelmingly greater in the US and the only real difference is gun control
I can't speak to the Australian example, but it is a one off. Just google it, and by way of example since 1996 there were 29 mass shootings at US schools. The rest of the world 14. That is 300 millon vs 5.7 billion.
1.) The "evidence" you speak of has been disputed. O'Reilly had a guest on tonite that spoke about murders in Australia from "asault" type weapons going down immediately after passing the law but then going back up within a few years.
2.) The issue is NOT the banning of any type of gun. The issue is this: we as a society (and our economy) have to find a way to treat people with mental illness in a DIGNIFIED way that prevents them from being a threat to society, a threat to themselves, and a target for others to abuse.
Exactly Mark these people who claim to be for choice , are only for choices they make for U.S...No law will prevent evil...
The President sounded more like a preacher when he gave his speech , so I asked myself why..why would someone who almost booted God out of his platform do this ..
Stick with me here...It was the best speech he ever gave..I thought it might
have been written by a pastor...When he was done I wondered, has he had a divine
intervention..but then I thought A. when tragedies happen we turn to God..he
used God and the bible throughout his speech..B. If he had a divine intervention
, he wouldn't leave out Luke 3 10-18 which speaks to overtaxing U.S and the evil's of extortion....C. If he thought the child was so
important and valuable he wouldn't of based his whole platform on ripping them
limb from limb and even leaving them to die if born by mistake. D. God
removed from everything..So I guess it's more smoke and mirrors to take a few
more of our freedoms away, while ignoring the real problem..our children being
abandoned for other things..Our culture being too violent, our lack of respect
for the elderly and the very young and ourselves..and everything..The Golden
Rule..This problem isn't about a certain kind of rifle..It's about taking the Ten Commandments out of our schools and replacing them with very offensive things to me...Why is God the only thing that can offend people that has to be removed , but everything else is a hate crime if you complain..??? All this talk about caring about people with handicapped kids really is hypocrisy since 98 percent of all Down Syndrome kids are aborted..That's why it's impossible to take them seriously..they don't care about the unborn..but they do care about having control
And talk about hypocrites, Check out this story about a Colorado female that threatened murder in several twitter post and nothing but crickets .... no coverage .
No me, matter of fact I have been exercising my 2nd amendment rights over the past week...
And it feels good..
As long as we have a President with selective tears, nothing will change, but get worse:
One major problem is that our society is exposed to too much violence on a daily basis through negative messages, so called „actions movies“ where people get killed for „recreation“ and video games where again the sole purpose is to kill as many „targets“ as possible. Besides that culture of garbage consumption, and as in any other nations, we have some mentally sick people who are also consuming these violent inputs alone in their homes for hours and hours until some day they cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy and just get the call of an inner voice that tells them to reenact the same horrible digital pictures into a real scenario. The negative message in their brains, I guess, gets so strong that nothing, no man, no wall, no law will ever be able to stop them from perpetrating devastating harm. I am not talking about one and only solution, but one step would certainly be to stop the production of violent images. We have now a generation who has consumed too many violent video games and movies and we as adults have to change this consumption. Children and young people have to understand that it is not cool to shoot, it is not cool to watch violent movies and it is not cool to see people as targets. We as adults have to be a role model, but I know that it is very difficult in a time where „celebrities with no moral values“ are idols and so many are talking about having an abortion as if it was about getting rid of a stomach ache. It is very difficult to tell young people not to be violent when we have right now a government organizing a massive gun walking across the border to Mexico and another one from Libya to Syria to promote a new war. It is very difficult to have any influence at home in a time when the Hollywood industry makes millions of dollars with movies filled with violence and celebrate themselves in afterparties with drugs, alcohol and her sole political contribution are pro abortion ads. We should never forget that the kids are watching us. But interestingly we have to hear from these same Hollywood useful idiots that they are pro gun control??!!
The truth is that we have to stop blaming the weapons for our behaviour. If I drink too much and drive a car, the car becomes a weapon as well. And if I don’t cut a bread but someones throat it is me who is evil and not the knife. We can kill anyone with our bare hands and if the weapons are taken away from us, we will always find a way to cause harm if we are evil enough, or in this latter case mentally sick and didn’t get the right attention and treatment. But the channels to promote violence are so manifold. For example the children who grow up in the Palestinian camps in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip hear every single day that Allah wants them to kill Jews and that their mothers will be proud of them if they do so. How do you think that our actual terrorists were raised? Violence was their daily food!! And as Netanyahu once said, these kids don’t have another choice! And, what are we going to do if the situation gets really bad and out of control in our own country? Who is going to be there just in time if not ourselves? The Obama regime is actually not in the position to solve anything as they have only promoted discontent, division and hatred in the last 4 years and on top of that they have granted entry to many terrorists into the country. What if several terror attacks happen in the next years and we are not armed? Obama is the most divisive POTUS ever, and America is falling apart, something that is in perfect alignement to achieve his plans of destruction from within. How can he play having tears in his eyes because of CT, if he was able to watch the attack in Benghazi, live, without doing anything? Hamas is speaking out to destroy Israel and Obama remains silent. Families from the Fort Hood victims are asking for justice and Obama remains silent. An innocent Marine is held in prison in Mexico chained to his bed and Obama remains silent. Many children get killed daily in Chicago and Obama remains silent. Children in Israel have to run every single day to seek shelter and children in Gaza are used as human shields and Obama remains silent. A Union thug has expressed menaces against a politician’s family and Obama remains silent. He remains silent in accordance to his plan of division and pays attention only to the kind of violence that helps him to stay in power and uses the death of angels to gain sympathy and implement the gun control. I don’t believe in a guy who is pro abortion and pro live birth abortion, watched the assassinations in Benghazi live, arms Al Qaeda and Drug Lords with weapons and thinks that some medical procedures are not sustainable if Granny is around 70 years old and calls patients „units“.
I don’t believe in a guy who tells me that America is not a Christian Nation anymore and tells me to hate the rich and that my vote is worth some food stamps. I don’t believe in a guy who tells me that the Fort Hood terror attack was only violence at a working place. What is the difference between Fort Hood and Sandy Hook? After Fort Hood nobody analyzed what was going on in the murderer’s mind and nobody took care of the victim’s families but the MSM and Obama were worried about protecting the Muslim Terrorist and his right to let grow a beard. It was actually forbidden to call it terror attack or mention that the guy was screaming Allahu Akbar!
Obama will not let the school tragedy go to waste.........America needs to heal, but as long as the MSM, Hollywood, Islam and Obama and entourage are above us, we will never get out of the darkness and we will never address serious problems in a sincere way but instead the regime will take advantge of a crisis to implement more governmental control. As long as we have a President with selective tears nothing will change, but get worse.
susitna, because of your ideas and your strong beliefs, you have gained a place of importance here. The only thing you have to do at this point, is to break up your thoughts, into small paragraphs. Little bites of information.
People tend to gloss over long texts, even while those long texts may have really valuable information. I'm sorry. Its just the way the human mind works.
Your ideas are the same as ours. Just break them up, so we can take a bite at a time.
Trust me on this. I used to do the same thing.
Very. Lots of family and friends, not too much food or drink, a nice balance. Thank you for asking. Glad to hear your folks are progressing. Going to sleep now, you have a nice night my friend.
Thank you Gino for asking! Yes, they're still rough, but doing better. The meds they're both on are wiping them out some, but getting rid of the nasty stuff. I talked to them both a couple of times. They both sounded rough to me, but my sister and my mom assured me that they both sounded worse before. It's some nasty virus bug that they caught at a Christmas party at their community club house. Some folks had to go into the hospital it was so bad. The doc said a lot of people have been coming down with it, and some yes did get pneumonia from it. I thank God my dad didn't have to stay- but I thank you so much for asking. You're so sweet.
Did you have a nice Christmas?