By The Right Scoop


This is perhaps the most amazing testimony I’ve ever heard. It’s from Afshin Javid who was born a devout Shiite Muslim in Southern Iran in 1972, before the Iranian revolution. He grew up and later joined the Basij (Hezbollah), having committing his life to die for Islam. At some point later he recounts that his grandfather had told him he should bring Islam to North America, so he made his way here. Of course, all he had was phony immigration documents and passports, so he was arrested in Malaysia. I’m guessing this was the early 90s but I’m not sure. But this is where his life changed.

I’m telling you this is a testimony like you’ve never heard before. It’s very powerful and you may need a box of tissue nearby.

Watch:

(h/t: Free Republic)

UPDATE: It seems that there is a fair amount of scandal, potentially sexual, that surrounds Javid’s years in Canada. I’m not sure how much of it is true or not, but I don’t believe that it invalidates his testimony and still believe it is a powerful tool. However I feel that I should at least make you aware of this so you can make your own decision about the man.

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  • DebbyX

    AMEN, brother!

    • Lime Lite

      I don’t trust Muslims who ‘convert’. Period.

      • Shery Hancock

        God can transform their lives, too. We lived in Turkey and one young kid we got to know became a Christian and married an American AF doctor, meeting at a church service. We know of other Christians in Turkey, as well. These people would put you and I to shame, as far as their faith in Christ is concerned. They go through periods where they are routinely imprisoned and suffer extensively. I imagine that it is worse today than when we lived there. They are few in number, but their faith has been tested over and again. The missionaries to Turkey get the same treatment. Now that Turkey has put off the reforms of Attaturk, they are even more violently anti-Christian and anti-semite.

        On the other hand, we are weak and our faith has not been tested by the fires of persecution. We think we have faith, but I would estimate that should we be physically persecuted, a lot of those proclaiming Christ today would be gone tomorrow.

      • CO2isGood

        Well, luckily they are not seeking your trust…they like all of us should be, are seeking Gods forgiveness.

      • DebbyX

        Let’s put it this way, I wouldn’t have him over for tea. Though, he was pretty convincing in a way. I really was just hopeful that it could be possible.

      • johnos2112

        Why don’t you trust this guy? Can’t you see that Jesus is in his hear? That is all that matters!

  • opinionatedhermit

    Wow!

    That was one of the most powerful witnesses experiences I have ever seen.

    I really appreciated his focus on Love and Forgiveness.

    Thank you, Scoop. Thank you.

  • maynardb50

    Good video. I had not seen it before. The man seems quite sincere as well.
    He apparently experienced something of extraordinary purpose. Would make a good
    guest on the Sid Roth show.

  • JeffWRidge

    This is very powerful. I am an agnostic and this man’s testimony has given me something to think about. I’m going to watch it over again later. First I need to let myself think about what I am able to believe.

    • DebbyX

      I’m not being critical, just asking. How can one think about what they are able to believe? This testimony is about faith. That would be the first goal, I would think.

      You’ve got some heavy duty thinking ahead of you. But it will be worth it.

      • JeffWRidge

        What I meant is that I have to examine my own heart and decide where I stand. Please understand, I know that a lot of agnostics and atheists claim that they don’t believe based on thinking through theology and religion logically, but that’s not what happened with me.

        I never believed, even when I attended church as a child. I would sit in the pew and simply not be able to believe a thing being preached beyond the ideas of right and wrong. That was the only thing I took from church; a sense of what was right and what was wrong.

        I simply lack faith. I have faith in nothing and nobody. I have seen the evil of man and I have seen the good of man, but I could never see beyond their humanity. I don’t know, maybe eventually I will. As you say, I have some heavy thinking to do.

        The funny thing is, when I have thought it through logically, it makes more sense that there would be a higher power, than that there wouldn’t be. It requires too much faith in coincidence for me to buy that all of existence, the diversity and complexity of life, just happened. I wouldn’t want to place a bet in Vegas based on the odds of such a line of coincidences occurring.

        • TitaniumEagle

          You described a state of faith similar to mine. I do consider myself Jewish, being born into the faith, but I’ve never been truly able to believe in God. I’ve also read quite a bit about Christianity and about Jesus, and asked Him to reveal Himself to me, etc; but have never found Him. So I still just don’t know…I certainly want to believe — provided it is indeed the truth — but I don’t know how I can.

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            I’ll keep you in my prayers too TitaniumEaglefriend!! ((()))s

            • TitaniumEagle

              Thank you :-)

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                Mornin’! Yeah, I’m a night owl lol. :-)

                • TitaniumEagle

                  Understandable. Tends to be when I have the time to peruse the internet with all of its wonderful (i.e. TRS) and not-so-wonderful sites.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Me too. :-)

          • http://www.facebook.com/susan.mitchell.1654 Susan Mitchell

            Be still and let God in Pray to Him to guild you Find God and He will come to you. I did He came to me in a dream and told me to stop my evil ways. he will do the same to you. Praying brings God to you faith in God will bring you to Him.

          • http://twitter.com/stacitawbush Staci R. Tawbush

            I wish I could open my heart and show you God… He’s there, I assure you. Being an intellectual person can often cause doubt, but that’s exactly why [I think] He prefers Faith.
            I will pray that God reveals Himself to you soon. Feeling the Forgiveness of Jesus (and I mean literally feeling it) is the most wonderful thing – it makes all of the darkness in the World more bearable. Because you know, for certain, that in the end : “we” win…

          • branchclinger

            I love your open honesty. If you truly seek Him, you will find Him. I suggest you read & study the Bible, since it’s through His Word that He reveals Himself. Starting with Genesis…. or wherever you feel led. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you understanding.
            Romans 1:20 & 21 speaks of how God’s invisible attributes are revealed in the heavens, in all of creation, so that man is without excuse.
            Jesus said, “I am the Way, the Truth, & the Life. No man comes to the Father, but by Me,” John 14:6. I’m excited to think of the wonderful “seek & you shall find” adventure you are entering into. I hope to see your shining, joyful face in heaven.
            The first person that I led to the Lord was a Jew who knew absolutely nothing about the Bible, but after her discovery & her total surrender to His Lordship became the most zealous & faith-filled person ever I’ve seen!

        • GiantM

          I’d say you’re half way there already Jeff. Everyday and I mean EVERY-DAY I look around outside and what I’ve seen in images from around the world and look in awe at what has been created and then I look in the mirror and think how could I be so imperfect at times when all around me He made everything so perfect. Then I’m told in the Word that Jesus is not looking for perfection in any of us….

          He’s only looking for our heart.

          There is no question that all was created. I’m glad you agree not to argue that truth.

        • jplando

          Might I suggest reading “Heaven Is For Real” book. What an experience this young boy had and recently I watched and listened to this surgeon on Fox’s Sean Hannity program tell about his experience in Heaven. The surgeon was not a believer but after his experience of going to Heaven and returning he was a changed man. God does have a plan and angel(s) for each of us, including you Jeff. Just let me know if you read the book and what your thoughts are. God’s blessings to you.

          Jeanne Landreth
          North Carolina

          • http://politicalknow.blogspot.com/ SheerPolitics

            See, I don’t think those books/stories help. That child in “Heaven is for Real” was the son of a pastor. I have no idea if he actually saw anything, it was his imagination as he was, of course, raised in church or if this was written through his father just to make people believe and feel better that their dead relatives were in a better place. I did see the neurosurgeon and that was powerful, but has it been checked out. Did he really not know of his half-sister until then? Sorry, I’m a skeptic, not so much about God’s existence as man’s ability to used their so-called conversion to con people. I’m much more moved when there’s a real road to Damascus story. However, even those are often short-lived. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/atheist-activist-who-converted-to-christianity-emails-to-say-hes-once-again-an-atheist/

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis is a good one. :-)

          • trouble06

            I read that book and it is powerful.It confirmed my Faith in the Lord above and in what’s to come.

        • http://politicalknow.blogspot.com/ SheerPolitics

          Jeff, I’m right there with you! I went to church when I was young and even as a young adult. I was also raised in a scientific, logically thinking home. My dad was a geologist. And I can tell you that man did not walk with the dinosaurs and the earth isn’t 6,000 years old. However, I don’t believe in the theory of evolution as it is written either. I believe that the strongest genetically survive, that there are many species related to one another. But I do believe there had to be a creator of the galaxies and the universe and every living creature because you can’t just go from nothing to something. I don’t believe in creation taking a literal 6 days, but was used as a time reference to define an inconceivable amount of time in human terms. Evolution, however, tries to leave God out of the workings.

          Coming from that background, I can say that you CANNOT have faith in MAN–this one or any other. You’ll be let down every time because no man is perfect. God didn’t make people good and evil. He gave us the choice to be good or evil on our own. Otherwise, we’d be nothing more than robots.

        • DebbyX

          Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I totally understand where you’re coming from. I can relate to many points you made. I think if truth be told, most of us are still searching for the answers.

    • Ryan Mobley

      The great thing about the God of the Bible is that if you truly ask Him with all of your heart to reveal Himself to you, He will. All the best, my friend.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      I’ll keep you in my prayers Jeff. If your search is an honest one for the truth, Jesus will meet you there. :-)

    • StandingGround

      I pray God will reveal Himself to you, Jeff. One thing that may help – knowing God is a Heart experience not a Head experience. Listen to the testimony with a humble heart and I believe Jesus will meet you right where you are.

      • ujujuj

        That’s not true, about Christianity not being an intellectual/head experience.

        No truly educated Christian, versed in apologetics, will ever feel intellectually challenged in their faith by anyone.

    • white531

      Jeff, while you are making a list of things you are able to believe, why not make another list of things you simply admit you don’t understand? Might give you a different perspective.

      • JeffWRidge

        That would be a very long list.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          There’s a million things I don’t understand, but Jeff, like some have said already, it’s not a head thing.

          “A man can eat his dinner without understanding exactly how food nourishes him.”
          C.S. Lewis

          Ask Him if He’s real. Ask with an open heart, and He will show you. And He’ll do it in amazing ways. ((()))s I’m keeping you in prayers my friend.

          “God is not silent. It is the nature of God to speak. The second person of the Holy Trinity is called “The Word.” A.W.Tozer

          Try reading the Bible, with the same expectation- if You’re real Lord, show me what You’re saying. Start with the Gospel of John.

          “The Bible is shallow enough for a child not to drown, yet deep enough for an elephant to swim.”
          Augustine

          xoxoxo

          • JeffWRidge

            I’ll do that. Thank you.

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              ((()))s!!

          • GiantM

            Good stuff ABC.

            Jeff, I would only add one comment to what ABC said [although I have many]

            GOD really does want to prove Himself to you. He’s just waiting for you to ask….with a heart that does want to know.

          • branchclinger

            You’re so right on! I had a dramatic salvation experience after having a vision of Jesus at the right hand of God the Father. An audible voice spoke to me saying, “He is the Judge!” But even then I still didn’t believe that the Bible was The Word of God. I had to accept that truth totally by faith. Since then His Word has become my greatest treasure & ,of course, my understanding has grown, even though the enemy tried to twist & confuse the words I read when I was just a “new” born-again Christian.

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              While a lot of folks believe in angels, many have a hard time believing in the enemy. Satan is real, and he sure loves messing with those who are searching for the truth, those who are close, and brand new Christians.

              The Word is amazing. I love when He shows me something, especially in a verse or verses that I’ve read many times and just never “seen”. :-D Thank you for your testimony!! Have a Blessed day!!

  • brendawatkins

    18 years ago he had this experience with Jesus, the true God, and still he remembers the love he felt, and still he gets teary eyed. That’s the power of a real conversion.. you NEVER forget that feeling, and every time you talk about it you feel it all over again, the love, the humility, and the power of true forgiveness. When you seek, from the depths of your heart, you will find Him. Thanks, RS, what a great story, and yes, it brought tears to my eyes. I was brought to that place of desperation, and I too met my Savior, and neither will I forget that day, and all the emotions that flooded over me. It’s like Heaven on earth.

  • denbren52

    I can’t thank you enough for sharing that testimony. I will also be sharing this link. Thank you Scoop!

  • sjmom

    Beautiful testimony.

  • StandingGround

    OMGoodness that testimony is Wonderful.

    I’m sending it on to someone who asked me how people in the jungles or in heathen nations could learn about Jesus if no one was there to teach them. I told her He would appear to them Himself if they cried out to know Him. There are so many testimonies that have shown that to be so.

    Thanks Scoop. What a blessing!

    Jesus, what Christmas is all about.

  • deTocqueville1

    Thanks so much Scoop! Truly inspirational and awesome!! What a testimony.

  • colliemum

    Thanks for the warning, to have a hankie handy: it was needed!

    This is an extraordinary story – because Afshin Javid shows that Jesus can and will come to anybody, everywhere, even when one doesn’t expect Him.

    What he told about the powerful presence in his cell, when he felt as if he was dying, and was ‘given the rope to hold’ which was the name of Jesus, and the power went away – that showed me clearly how islam is a satanic invention. The power was the power of darkness, and it came to his cell because he had given in to the seduction of power, and was using it daily.

    Jesus, who is the Light of this world, is the only one who can rescue people from this darkness. A great bishop once said that Jesus loves rescuing people, so ask Him and he will help. And that is exactly what Afshin Javid experienced.

    What intrigued me most was his description of the clear, bell-like voice he heard. I think all who have heard that voice know exactly what it sounds like, and know exactly when and where they heard that voice the first time.

    And now it remains for us to stand firm in faith, to keep praying, to keep loving each other, and above all to keep loving God with all our hearts and all our minds.

    • STEELGUY71

      He (God) came down to my level when I couldnt get up to His. with a strong arm lifted
      me up and showed me what livin is

      • colliemum

        Yes – that is what He does!

        I don’t know where I’d be, if I didn’t know that His hand is there for me to cling to, like someone who knows they’d drown if they didn’t hold on tight.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for Jesus. I would have been dead a long time ago.

        • 1mathteacher

          I’ve been a Christian a long time, but still, I came to a crisis of faith recently where I had to look down two paths – one where I continued to believe & one where I didn’t. Without Jesus in my life, I realized there were a lot of things I could choose differently (more selfishly) and that if I followed that convenient & easy path to its end, it was a pretty dark & lonely place.

          I already knew it, but I discovered again: We are here to glorify Him & enjoy Him forever. :-)

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            Well said Mathteacherfriend!! It’s good to see you!

            • 1mathteacher

              Good to see you too, ABC! Don’t know how I missed seeing your comment last week!

              • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                lol disqus is late with alerts. Some times I get one from over 5 months ago lol! :-D Have a Blessed day!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1831223973 Brian Burlingame

    A quick Google search of this man shows deep problems with sexual misconduct and scandals. Perhaps a little examination on the part of TRS would be beneficial before we put this man up on a pedestal.

    • Conniption Fitz

      Here is a letter published by a person who had been associated with this man in ministry: http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2012/05/12/i-am-thirsty-ministries-co-founder-former-administrator-for-afshin-javid-speaks-out/

      Perhaps he was not carefully vetted and discipled before being put into ministry and not carefully overseen.

      Sadly, this is not unusual. People love sensational testimonies and some will exploit these stories to make money, publish books, draw crowds.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      Yeah looks like a little scandal has surrounded him. I’m not sure that invalidates his testimony though, but it does give one pause about him currently.

      • maynardb50

        I certainly am reconsidering my first opinion after reading through Conniption’s posted link.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/LPZBB66XQFOLVPMW2EZX5JKQ64 Tommy

        “…a *little* scandal” ? little?! No – *not* little. Massive, chronic, repetitive, reprehensible, repeatedly addressed and ignored over a 10 year period. This is *not* a little scandal.

    • colliemum

      I don’t think we’re putting him on a pedestal – this video is about his witness as to how Jesus came into his life. It is this witness which is important.
      And anyway, aren’t we told not to throw the first stone?

      • Mtncougar

        Hmmm… reading the link provided above, http://www.scribd.com/doc/93362417/Apology-to-Afshin … is quite eye opening.

        I loved this man’s story in the video, I believe his encounter with Christ is real. However it appears that although Christ met him, the Muslim within him was never addressed and renounced. The sexual escapades, the poor treatment of women, etc. Very traditional, classic Muslim male stuff.

        Recommend reading the link above starting at page 21.

        Scoop, I would not give this man publicity by posting his video.

        • colliemum

          I’ve read the links as well, and I agree with you: his story, his witness are important, but what happened later does not make him into a shining example, to the contrary. Yes, it does look as if his early muslim upbringing never left him, and influenced the rest of his life. I’d even go so far and say he is back in the grip of the muslim dark powers, which he abused then and seems to abuse now yet again.

          I think his story is a very good example to show that Jesus rescues, and takes people wherever they are, whomsoever they are.
          And it is a very good example for this most important fact: being a Christian is hard work, knowing Scripture alone, even having had the huge, amazing privilege of hearing Him, of feeling the touch of the Holy Spirit, is not enough.
          It is the beginning, the beginning of a lifelong attempt to keep following Him, who is the Light of this world.

          There’s one image I love: thinking of Ephesians, where we’re told to put on the whole armour of God, and take up the shield of Faith every day. It’s that of a small, inept, untrained soldier who nevertheless is trying her best, standing in a foggy place, not knowing how the battle is going, not knowing where exactly the enemy is, but ready to use the Sword of the Spirit when asked, no matter how clumsy, no matter if we never know if that was useful.

          I think this man may well have thought that reading Scripture was all that was needed, and may not have seen the necessity of a spiritual director. He gave in to his pride, and thus left himself open to the traps of the Satan yet again.

          Jesus rescues, but we do have to put in a bit of work ourselves, once He’s pulled us out of the mire!

          Have a lovely Second Advent Sunday!

        • Conniption Fitz

          Exactly. This man is still a muslim in his treatment and attitude toward women – and – children. He is trespassing/sinning against his own children and those of others.

    • 57thunderbird

      For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

  • anneinarkansas

    Beautiful.
    I am unable to grasp how any human can live with out the Holy Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
    The times that I have literally been lifted up and carried over the depths are countless.
    I find too that it is necessary every day to be refilled with the Holy Spirit.
    I am inspired by words from Dr. Charles Stanley years ago. You have all of the Holy Spirit that you are going to get but does He have all of you? Refill daily.

    • colliemum

      Beautifully said, Anne – especially the ‘refill daily’!

  • Kordane

    He sounds like he suffers from schizophrenia, where he sees things or people that aren’t actually there. It has been suggested before that Muhammad was one such sufferer of schizophrenia. Muslims exalt schizophrenia sufferers as being those who can see “djinn” and other spiritual beings.

    If you believe that there is something mystical/supernatural about this man and his experiences, then you’re just a fool who wants unreality to be reality, and there is nothing that can be done for you because you’re probably a lost cause.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      Thanks for the words of condescension.

      • Kordane

        Accepting Mysticism is foolish, will always be foolish, and I will call anyone a fool for it, just as I would do if someone accepted Marxism. To reject reality and reason is a completely foolish thing to do. Try crossing streets blindfolded and with earplugs in (so basically no sense of reason whatsoever), whilst relying on “The holy trinity” or “Jesus” or some other mystic/supernatural thing to get you across safely. See how long you survive. There’s a test right there; experimentally verifiable for all to see.

        • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

          Ah, more condescension. Thanks again for that.

          • Kordane

            It’s not condescension because I didn’t intend to be offensive in my advocacy of the superiority of objective reality and reason. I just think it’s wrong to accept mysticism (and faith by implication), and furthermore I think it’s foolish (ie. lacking in the sense of reason) because it’s all so contrary to reason.

            • Rshill7

              Now you confuse objective with subjective, superiority with inferiority, and foolishness with wisdom. Go work on those issues and come back later.

              • Kordane

                Err no I’m not. You’re just doing what you did before, which is: “Whatever they say, accuse them of saying the opposite, and hope that it sticks.” I’m not accepting that sophistry.

                • Rshill7

                  Well since you are neither the final nor any preceding level of arbiter, who gives a damn what you accept or don’t accept? Get it?

                • FreeManWalking

                  If there is no higher power than man, or man isn’t subject to laws from a creator.

                  Then who is one man or a government of men to say or make rules limiting another? Why should any man submit himself to be controlled or ruled over another, it we are here but a few years and vanish into the cosmos? There would be no right or wrong on perceptions.
                  The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

                  You see a chair, do you think it came together on its own? Or do you think there was a designer and someone constructed it?

                  For me it takes far more faith to believe this all came about by chance than to believe there is a creator.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “If there is no higher power than man, or man isn’t subject to laws from a creator. Then who is one man or a government of men to say or make rules limiting another?

                  There are individual rights, inferred by man’s nature, which are a limit on what men can do to one another – But they require government’s to protect those rights by providing an army to protect individuals from force by foreign aggression; police to protect individuals from force by domestic criminals; a judiciary/court system to settle disputes among men.

                  Individual rights aren’t something that we came up with out of thin air – They were inferred from man’s nature as a rational being (as opposed to animals which lack reason; there is no way to deal with them).

                  You don’t need any supernatural being that people created two millennia ago to tell you what to do and what not to do, nor do you need groups of individuals telling you what to do.

                  There are perfectly good (nigh perfect) limits on what we can do and what we can’t do to each other, in the form of individual rights, as articulated in the declaration of independence.

                  The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (or more broadly, property rights), are the basis under which a society can function without being anarchy, nor being a dictatorship or some other tyrannical form of government.

                • FreeManWalking

                  Your argument doesn’t make sense to me, nor is it reasonable to expect a person that doesn’t accept one man rule over another to freely subject himself to another without benefit unto himself. I get the peaceful society bit, but without my faith in a higher being that will one day sit in judgement, I don’t know that I would be in abeyance.

                  The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (or more broadly, property rights), are the basis under which a society can function without being anarchy, nor being a dictatorship or some other tyrannical form of government.
                  Which comes from men who believed in a higher power than themselves.

                  John Adams in a speech to the military in 1798 warned his fellow countrymen stating, “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

                  I think the crime rate we have now can be attributed to people who do not accept your premise that the society has a right to hold them to account of their laws.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “without my faith in a higher being that will one day sit in judgement, I don’t know that I would be in abeyance

                  Without your “faith in a higher being”, you would know that this is your only life, that you only get one shot at it, and that you’d better make it a good one – So no going around killing other people and violating their individual rights, because you’re likely to get killed or imprisoned for your entire life. This is why atheists are generally very good natured people, because they know that they only get one chance at life, so they try their best to make it the best life it can be. I know that I do. The pursuit of happiness is very important to me.

                  Quote: “Which comes from men who believed in a higher power than themselves

                  No, unless you consider “man’s nature as a rational being” to be a “higher power”.

                  The argument that individual rights “come from God”, is actually very harmful to the cause of liberty, because it bases individual rights on mysticism and faith, which are a metaphysics and epistemology that are anti-reality and anti-reason. Why do you think so many liberals reject individual rights these days? It’s because they’ve been misled into thinking, as you have, that individual rights “come from God”, and since they don’t really believe in God, they therefore don’t believe in individual rights.

                  Individual rights ARE based on man’s nature as a rational being. This isn’t a matter of opinion – It is fact. You can logically infer all of the individual rights FROM man’s nature as a rational being; they are logical corollaries. Ayn Rand (particularly) has explained this in great detail, showing how you go from man’s nature as a rational being, to man having a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

                  Quite frankly, religious folk need to stop trying to hijack individual rights, and corrupting it with mysticism and faith. Individual rights are a matter of objective reality and reason. This has always been the case, and always will be the case, no matter how much religious folk want to claim some religious source and foundation for them. Just stop doing it; you’re harming the cause of liberty.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  “If I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible that main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men had forgotten God; that is why all this has happened.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn

                  “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this
                  very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
                  Patrick Henry

                  Who is it that may harm the cause of liberty?

                  “ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I
                  firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” Benjamin Franklin –Constitutional Convention of 1787

                • white531

                  At first, a person is impressed by your seeming intellect, by the methodical reasoning behind your comments. After awhile, you just become boring. You’ve made all the statements I think you can make to have us understand you are an Atheist, and I think we all get it. So what is your point in continuing?

                  You are talking to mostly people of Faith here. You have acted toward us in a condescending manner, from your very first comment. You have called us all Fools. You mock what The Founders called, “the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” You say its just, “property rights.”

                  I gather you feel some sense of power, in demeaning people of Faith, and showing them the error in their ways. The response you are hoping for, is that they will capitulate, and admit that religion is just a false hope, and a crutch we use, to get through life, because just like primitive people since the beginning of time, we look up at the moon, and wonder why we are here.

                  Instead, the response you wind up with, is that most assembled here this evening, feel sorry for you. Some even pray for you. Weird, I know. Some of us though, are more in favor of you just going away. I’m in that bunch, by the way. I’m not as close to Salvation as some here, and I recognize a troublemaker when I see one.

                  Reason I know what you are made of, is I asked you a question one time. It was a simple question, really, about your avitar. You probably don’t even remember. What I got for my trouble though, was a smart-ass answer. That one incident told me all I needed to know about you.

                  You haven’t done anything here this evening, to violate any rules. Scoop has called you out a couple of times, but in your arrogance, you probably thought that was just added fun.

                  I don’t have any further use for you. Because I believe conversation with you is a waste of time. Doesn’t mean you can’t come here and spout your BS. Site belongs to TRS.

                  But my opinions belong to me, and that’s my opinion. I know this one’s gonna kill you, but God Bless You, anyway.

            • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

              So calling me a fool and telling me I am a lost cause for believing this man’s testimony isn’t condescension?

              • Kordane

                If you reject reason, then yes, you are a lost cause.

                Well what is it: Reason or Faith, Objective reality or Mysticism?

                There is no middle ground between these polar opposites, just as there is no middle ground between liberty and tyranny, except through consciously accepting a contradiction in order to desperately hold onto both worlds; a contradiction that is an unstable mixture, no matter whether on the scale of a society, or on the scale of your own mind.

                I’ll let you choose, even though you already appear to have chosen based on your belief in said man’s testimony.

                Choose “faith” and you will be a lost cause to me, because there’s no reasoning with someone who rejects reason.

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  You have made a distinction where none is necessary. The fact is, few champions of reason are as stalwart as can be found among those who engage in apologetics. Men like Aquinas and Augustine, for example, as well as Spinoza and a many more.

                  This nonsense of a wall between faith and reason is one of the big problems in libertarian writing today. Faith is what it is, and can, in fact, be accommodated within the bounds of reason. Rejection of faith is not based on reason, but on preference.

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              You’re calling most folks here fools and schizos yet it’s not condescending and offensive. How does that work?

              • Kordane

                If you’ve seen or are seeing supernatural entities (things that others don’t see), then yes, you may be suffering from schizophrenia, but are wrongly diagnosing it as some supernatural religious experience – Either that, or you’re just lying.

                As for the fools bit, I define a fool as someone who lacks the sense of reason, which is the case if one rejects reason and accepts faith. It’s not intended to be offensive (and hence condescending); it’s just a definition.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I pity you Kordane. Not trying to be mean. I really do. You might not think you need it, but I do, and I do pray for you.

                • Kordane

                  Whereas I pity everyone who accepts mysticism and faith, because I know how destructive it can be, especially because their corollary is altruism, which is an incredibly self-destructive moral code.

                  I’m just glad that people here accept capitalism and the free market (a freak occurrence, considering that altruism tends to lead to communism), otherwise I’d have to disagree on everything with y’all.

                • porightscoopfan

                  Rand follower eh?
                  Somewhat ironic that the atheist Ayn Rand, in rejecting altruism, was Jewish. Her identity is derived from a man, Abraham, driven by a Promise: that he would never see fulfilled, from a supernatural being in whom none of his peers believed, the result of which would be for the benefit of all other nations.

                  Your feigned praise of Capitalism and free markets is undermined by every motivation that proceeds from Randian objectivism. While self-interest may be a universal attribute of human nature, agreed upon by Objectivists and Christians alike, the construct of Objectivism cannot admit for consideration the influence of the ‘new creature’ of Pauline Christianity. Thus while Christians anticipate that ‘redeemed’ men may elect to choose a course against the circumstantial gradient of self-interest. The Objectivist sees any such decision as the behavior of deluded sheep following the voice of a shepherd along some contour skirting self-interest or up-hill against the gradient of self-interest (where I take to mean your reference, “considering that altruism tends to lead to communism”).

                  Your selection of a wolf in sheep’s clothing for an avatar, I imagine, is a statement of your own ‘altruistic’ mission: To creep in among the sheep and disabuse them of the notion that any shepherd must be followed. I wonder why you take the time…unless…it is for your own self-interest to dissuade sheep from following a particular shepherd.

                  You Paulbots are quite mistakenly persuaded that the blessings of Liberty secured in the American Republic could just as easily have been derived from Enlightenment Rationalism. You may despise the spiritual heritage of our Republic, but you injure yourself and sabotage your own designs when you reject that heritage from consideration of remedies for our present crises.

                  I have benefited greatly from and been positively informed by my interactions with Libertarians in these last few years. Might I suggest that an open mind toward the rational implications of divine revelation of the Judeo/Christian variety may afford you benefits that exceed mere opposition research in your interactions with rightscoop readers.

    • Rshill7

      You’ve got reality and unreality confused with one another. Consider that. You might be surprised that the real fool is the one staring back at you from the reflecting glass.

      One who fancies himself enlightened, while bathed in darkness.

      • Kordane

        Oh yeah? Explain how that’s the case.

        • Rshill7

          The only air I do not have faith in is that air which I can see.

          You go ahead and breathe the visible. I’ll take the invisible.

          While I’m at it, I’ll also assume the chicken came before the egg, that there is no intelligence whatsoever in random chance, nor is there any improvement in mutation.

          Although there is something to be said for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Cowabunga.

          • Kordane

            The sense of vision is not the only perceptual sense that human beings possess. You’re forgetting all the other ones. Furthermore, you’re forgetting that technology can help improve our perceptual abilities so that we can perceive things that we would otherwise have not been able to (eg. bacteria through a microscope).

            All of this is very much unlike any supernatural/mystic examples though, because they have something called experimental verifiability.

            • Rshill7

              Experimentally verify the non-existence of God, the theory of evolution, and abiogenesis please. And be snappy with it, you’re burnin’ daylight :-)

              • Kordane

                I can’t prove a negative, and you’re being facetious to expect me to. The onus is always on those who say that something exists, to prove that it exists.

                • Rshill7

                  Well, you have a convenient set of rules I don’t subscribe to. The theory of evolution and abiogenesis are not negatives. They are positives.

                  But tell me, are there “always” absolutes, are there no absolutes, or does the occasional absolute occasionally hop up and say boo?

                • Kordane

                  I chose just to address the “prove the non-existence of God” negative, because that is what we’re talking about.

                  As for your absolutes question. Yes, absolutes do exist. Reality is an absolute, not to be faked by anyone.

                • Rshill7

                  Reality is indeed an absolute I think, but it’s like a bag of things you can measure, along with a host of other things you cannot. Those are debatable. The truth regarding reality. You do not know for sure what the truth is.

                  A God I could fully understand and explain wouldn’t be worthy of the name.

                  You think everything came from nothing yet can’t point to a single example of that. I can point to eleventy hundred cases of something coming from something else. No, the burden of proof is not on the believer, as belief makes the most sense. The burden is on the unbeliever.

                • Kordane

                  “You think everything came from nothing”

                  I suggest you read my reply to AmericanborninCanada (just above these posts). You’ll see that I do not in fact think what you claim I think. Your strawman is invalid.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
                • Kordane

                  Actually, I solved that question long ago with two simple words:

                  “Time began”

                  You see, if the universe came into existence at the exact same moment that “time began”, then you resolve the question of “what came before?” and/or “where did it all come from?”. You don’t even need a creator because there’s no time for any creation event to occur or time for any creator to exist.

                  Since I’ve had this discussion before, I know what the next question will be, which is: “Why this particular outcome/universe?” – Well, that’s answered by having a multiverse where there are an infinite number of possible outcomes, so naturally you will have some that have the right starting conditions to end up being functional universes, and one that ends up the exact way that ours has ended up.

                  Got any more big questions?

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Nope. No more questions. I’m too busy being a mystical nutjob. I’ll take Christ over common sense any day.

                • Kordane

                  If that’s your decision, then I’ll say no more.

                • conservative58

                  Right there with you ABC!
                  :-)

                  God is ALL powerful!

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Amen! :-)

                • colliemum

                  Right on, ABiC!

                  I’d rather be foolish in the eyes of man, than foolish in the eyes of Jesus Christ.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Amen! Mornin’ sis!! :-D

                • Rshill7

                  OK I get it now. We’re into the fanciful while you’re into the super-duper-looper fanciful. You have too much faith in nothing to be what we are.

                  If life were a word puzzle you’d be doing ok. Were it Wheel Of Fortune you might win the trip to Mehicole. What you describe though is a naked, came from nothing, contortionist with ‘schizophrenia’, which is the word you used when you jumped in here describing the testimony guy.

                  ‘Tis a tortured tale.

                • Kordane

                  Why do you say that it is a matter of “faith” for me? I don’t “believe” in any of it. I am simply hypothesizing. There is a heck of a difference between hypothesizing and believing.

                • Rshill7

                  If ever you graduate from hypothesis to theory, come on back and we’ll compare your theory to the historic fact of Jesus and the empty tomb.

                  “He is not here. He is risen just as he said.” Few historic events are as well documented as that one, and many historic events are counted as fact with far less documented verification.

                  But, you come in here wielding nothing but a hypothetical construction? Who are you supposed to slay with that? God? Christ? With a moist spaghetti noodle? You’ll need much stiffer stuff than that. A sword that can be sheathed in the watch-pocket of a pair of Levis? Please.

                  Your hypothesis is not only mysticism, it’s crapticism, in dire need of a chunky, meaty, tomato sauce. Nevertheless, here is a “multiverse” for you:

                  Roses are red
                  Violets are swell
                  Truth is still truth
                  In hypothesis Hell

                • Kordane

                  If I recall, there is only very sketchy evidence for the existence of someone named Jesus from back then; records kept by the Romans. As for “the empty tomb” thing, nobody knows whether that’s even true or not. The bible wasn’t even written for something like a hundred years after the events happened; nobody was even alive who experienced any of the events, yet people irrationally believe that it’s all true, no word of a lie, no Chinese whispers to see here! -_-

                  Quote: “But, you come in here wielding nothing but a hypothetical construction? Who are you supposed to slay with that? God? Christ? With a moist spaghetti noodle? You’ll need much stiffer stuff than that

                  Yet there you are, accepting the entire biblical fairy tale as fact, even though it’s far less likely and far less rational than what I put forward as an alternative. Quite frankly the only explanation for your acceptance of said fairy tale is that you ‘want’ it to be true so much that you are willing to suspend reason and reality.

                  The only rational approach to all of this is to say “I don’t know”, and then lean towards the explanation that is most likely and most rational.

                  Quote: “Your hypothesis is not only mysticism, it’s crapticism

                  I don’t think you even know what mysticism is.

                  A hypothesis is not mysticism. If someone accepts a claim/allegation without evidence, and when it goes against one’s reason, THEN that individual can be said to be engaging in mysticism, but it is wrong to say that claims/allegations/theories/hypotheses are mysticism in themselves. Mysticism is an approach that individuals take – One which necessarily involves faith.

                  The hypothesis that I advocate is not something I ‘believe’ in; there is no faith involved here; I fully concede that it may be completely wrong. It is simply something that I think is the most likely and most rational of all the answers I’ve ever heard. No rational person can say that about the biblical account – It’s just not likely, it’s just not rational. There are far far too many unrealistic claims in there; far too many things that contradict reality and which go against one’s sense of reason.

                  People such as yourself need to be more objective and less of a drone-like fanatic. Quite frankly it’s like dealing with the Left when it comes to government; just drone-like fanaticism, but for statism. Their error is the same – Lack of objectivity.

                • Rshill7

                  You recall incorrectly.

                  Eliminate the impossible and what’s left, regardless of how improbable, must be the truth. Right?

                  Problem is, you have no idea what is possible and what is impossible. You start by eliminating the truth. What’s left is a multiple choice question containing only the wrong answers. If you look everywhere for truth other than where it lives, you’ll never find it.

                  The only fanatic drone here is you. In this conversation, you are the lefty without recognizing it. If Ayn Rand, your Goddess, could speak now, she’d be able to say that she was right about many things, but wrong about the most important thing. She rejected every aspect of communism except it’s atheism. She should have started there. Atheism is not a symptom of communism, communism is a symptom of atheism and/or satanism.

                  I am being objective. You are being subjective. The measure of your reason is 29.9 inches Hg. You’re trying to shave with a dull razor. Try Occam’s, and cut right through the hypothetical stubble.

                • http://en.gravatar.com/robb714 Robb714

                  The Bible wasn’t written but translated from the ancient scolls, many of which predated Jesus and spoke of his coming. I find it very difficult to believe that had He not existed, it would be highly unlikely that He would be the most known of person in the world today. Just a thought.

                • Ryan Mobley

                  Ah yes, the Multiverse theory. The current chosen playground for atheists, materialists, and naturalists. For anyone not familiar, the Multiverse theory has postulated the simultaneous existence of many (possibly infinite) parallel universes where anything that is theoretically possible will be realized. I’ve seen this argument used over and over from individuals desperate to dodge the cosmological fine tunings for the existence of God.

                  But alas, the Multiverse theory has suffered some debilitating blows. There has always been the problem of infinite regress. This issue is not limited solely to this universe, but applies to any hypothetical “infinite” universe the Multiverse follower clings to. There is always a first cause, an un-caused cause for everything, even the Multiverse.

                  Now our friend likes to elevate himself over us silly Christians with his adherence to logic and reason, yet scientifically speaking no evidence has been provided for a Multiverse universe. But still, our friends like Kordane and other philosophical naturalists have hailed the Multiverse theory as something of a “god” with absolutely no proof of its existence. Quite the strange stance to take for someone who constantly criticizes individuals for having faith in something that (supposedly) has no proof for its existence.

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Excellently said. Especially for me, not knowing much about all this multi universe stuff, all I could think of was what you wrote in your last sentence. ;-) Seems to me this theory would take a whole lot more faith than those of us who believe in Christ.

                • Kordane

                  It would only require faith if you wanted to “believe” in it. I certainly don’t “believe” in it, but I do think it’s the most rational explanation I’ve heard so far. Combined with the “time began” hypothesis, multiverse theory is very compelling indeed. I’d be the last person to go around saying “This is the truth, this is fact, this is the way it all is”. I merely hypothesize about what may be; I do not claim truth about that which I know not the truth.

                • Kordane

                  Quote: “There is always a first cause, an un-caused cause for everything, even the Multiverse

                  No, a cause requires TIME to exist and to occur. If the entire multiverse comes into existence simultaneously with the beginning of time itself, then there can be nothing before it, not even a cause or a creator before it. All possible universes “begin” without cause, because all possible universes begin when time begins.

                  Your criticism is with those who advocate multiverse theory, but whom also advocate some form of cause or previous existence and time beforehand.

                  Quote: “Kordane and other philosophical naturalists have hailed the Multiverse theory as something of a “god” with absolutely no proof of its existence. Quite the strange stance to take for someone who constantly criticizes individuals for having faith in something that (supposedly) has no proof for its existence

                  A strawman. I’ve never said that multiverse theory is a “god”. Furthermore, I have not said that I ‘know’ that the multiverse exists; I’m just postulating its existence.

                  Unlike religious people, I don’t go around saying “I believe” in the multiverse. The truth is that I do not know. But, what I am doing here is showing you religious folk that there ARE alternatives which make sense, which don’t require you to go against your sense of reason, and which don’t require you to do all this silly “praying” and stuff.

                • Ryan Mobley

                  “The truth is that I do not know.”

                  With all do respect, this is the most reasonable thing you have said tonight.

                  “All possible universes “begin” without cause, because all possible universes begin when time begins.”

                  Another regressive argument. So, all universes “begin” when time begins? Well then, when and what caused time to begin?

                  Once again, with all due respect, if you cannot see this takes an IMMENSE amount of faith to believe, than I don’t know what to say. You are entitled to believe what you will, but at least have the intellectual honesty to admit it takes great faith.

                  The universe is finite. We know it had a beginning. There cannot be an infinite number of regressions of causes to bring it into existence, there must be a single uncaused cause of the universe. You can go back to your argument that a cause requires time to exist and occur, but what causes time to occur? Your argument is simply boiled down to the fact that you believe the origin of space and time came from nothing and by nothing. Gloss it up as pretty as you may.

                  “Your criticism is with those who advocate multiverse theory, but whom also advocate some form of cause or previous existence and time beforehand.”

                  So, I want to get this straight. You advocate the Multiverse theory, but add the stipulation that there was no cause, nor time beforehand? So, to you it is reasonable to believe that everything, or more specifically infinity came from nothing? It reminds me of the quote, “If there is no first cause, then the universe is like a great chain with many links; each link is held up by the link above it, but the whole chain is held up by nothing.”

                  “But, what I am doing here is showing you religious folk that there ARE alternatives which make sense, which don’t require you to go against your sense of reason, and which don’t require you to do all this silly “praying” and stuff.”

                  What makes sense? You throw out a theory that could never be proven, and then backtrack to say you do not stand by it. Once again I have to say, there has been no model that has supplied any evidence showing any reality that extends into the infinite past. This very year, one of the foremost proponents of the Multiverse theory Dr. Alexander Vilenkin concluded that, “All the evidence we have says that the universe had a beginning.” Furthermore, Dr. Arvind Borde and Dr. Alan Guth concur that on average, the universe (singular) has been expanding throughout its history and cannot be infinite in the past but must have a past space-TIME boundary.

                  I will ask you one last time. I may not seem like it, but I am always open to compelling arguments. If you are truly on the side of science and reason, give me solid scientific evidence validating the Multiverse theory. After all, I don’t want to go against my sense of reason…

                  Have a good night.

                • Kordane

                  Long reply; not helped by the squeezed space.

                  Quote: “Another regressive argument. So, all universes “begin” when time begins? Well then, when and what caused time to begin?

                  A cause would require time to a) exist and b) to occur.

                  Neither are possible, since there is no before the beginning; there is only the beginning.

                  “The beginning of time” is something that eliminates all questions of ’cause’. This is pretty simple temporal physics, because the traditional cause and effect relationship is ONLY applicable AFTER time has begun; it is not applicable at the beginning; there is only an “effect” based on the initial starting conditions of this universe.

                  Quote: “with all due respect, if you cannot see this takes an IMMENSE amount of faith to believe, than I don’t know what to say

                  I don’t expect people to believe in it. More to the point, I don’t even care if people believe in it or not. Belief is irrelevant to me. I do not ask people to engage in faith; I only ask that people be objective and engage their sense of reason to consider the likelihood and rationality of the hypothesis. It’s like I’ve got this great idea called “capitalism” – I’m going around telling people about it, but I’m not expecting people to believe “this is the absolute truth”; I’m trying to persuade people to consider alternative explanations. It’s a heck of an uphill struggle though, given that a lot of people on here put faith before reason, and put mysticism before objective reality.

                  Quote: “You can go back to your argument that a cause requires time to exist and occur, but what causes time to occur?

                  Time does not need a cause to begin, because the cause/consequence relationship is a feature of time which cannot exist separately. If there was a cause for time, then time would be its own cause, which is a temporal contradiction! :D

                  Quote: “Your argument is simply boiled down to the fact that you believe the origin of space and time came from nothing and by nothing

                  Nope, it was conceived as a superior alternative to the “from nothing” answer, since the “from nothing” answer is inherently flawed, as you well know, since there are far too many holes in it.

                  Quote: “So, to you it is reasonable to believe that everything, or more specifically infinity came from nothing?

                  No, I don’t use the “from nothing” terminology. It isn’t reasonable to “believe” any of this. What’s reasonable is to take an objective approach to it all.

                  Quote: “What makes sense? You throw out a theory that could never be proven, and then backtrack to say you do not stand by it

                  No hypotheses or claim can be proven about such things, not scientific, nor religious. It just isn’t possible. So to even talk about needing proof is just nonsensical for this. All that we can do is think “What is the most likely and what is the most rational answer?”, and then hold that up as simply “the best candidate”, but not hold it up as the absolute truth. All I advocate is what I think is “the best candidate”. You can agree or disagree with that, and that’s fine so long as you actually give it some consideration and use your own judgement.

                  Quote: “I may not seem like it, but I am always open to compelling arguments. If you are truly on the side of science and reason, give me solid scientific evidence validating the Multiverse theory. After all, I don’t want to go against my sense of reason

                  I appreciate your candor.

                  The only side I’m on here is the side of objectivity. I think that if you were truly open to compelling arguments then you would be open to siding with “the best candidate”, rather than only looking for the absolute truth. That is sadly only the best that we can do.

                  Why is it that you are happy to apply an impossible standard on my hypothesis, but (I’m assuming you’re religious since everyone here seems to be) not apply that same standard on whatever religion you’ve accepted?

                • Ryan Mobley

                  “I appreciate your candor.

                  The only side I’m on here is the side of objectivity. I think that if you were truly open to compelling arguments then you would be open to siding with “the best candidate”, rather than only looking for the absolute truth. That is sadly only the best that we can do.

                  Why is it that you are happy to apply an impossible standard on my hypothesis, but (I’m assuming you’re religious since everyone here seems to be) not apply that same standard on whatever religion you’ve accepted?”

                  I will only address this today due to a lack of time. I am open to receiving evidence with objectivity, but I still have not seen any. I have done quite a large amount of reading by experts in the Multiverse theory and even they are dismayed by the results. I am still awaiting compelling evidence to support this theory, but it seems it will never be provided simply because, as you said, no hypothesis or claim can be proven about such things. If this is the case, then why is it the most rational choice? Based on what standards? It seems, by your own admission, we have exhausted the limits of scientific inquiry and are now judging the matters based on subject thought. But I digress…

                  Have a good day.

    • WordsFailMe

      As obviously bright and intelligent as you are, for me it’s hard to understand how you have not come across that which can neither be understood completely nor can it be
      denied.

      A life without paradox must be very lonely and cold and easy to surrender.

      • Kordane

        There are many things that meet that criteria, but the difference is that I don’t accept answers/knowledge to them that contradict reality and my sense of reason.

        There are some completely fantastical things that people have accepted without question, even when they are in total contradiction to the facts of reality and their own sense of reason. Reality is screaming at them, every second of every day, but they are just ignoring reality because they want to believe something is true that isn’t true; that something exists in reality that doesn’t exist in reality.

        When encountering things that meet the criteria you laid out, I’m quite happy to concede that “I don’t know” to them. That’s a heck of a lot different from creating fantasies to answer such things.

        • WordsFailMe

          The Greeks used to say, “Man is the measure of all things.”

          Now they’re saying, “Where’s the beef?”

          • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

            (((())))s! Words!! That was excellent.

          • jrt1031

            maybe the Greeks should start praying and fasting as this man did. He didnt seem to care where the beef was as he was being nourished by God almighty

    • jrt1031

      There was nothing crazy about his testimony. YOu have been poorly affected by science and think you know better. You will see how much you know….. He has nothing to gain from the testimony. Sad to see those that question God

  • TruLevinian

    Awesome RS! Thanks buddy. ;o)

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1831223973 Brian Burlingame

    I realize the intent of the video… However, I also realize that certain people in positions of perceived spiritual power also have track records of deceit and abuse. Ted Haggard etc… just my two cents. NOT attempting to troll a flame war

    • colliemum

      I understand, and there are indeed many people who have abused their spiritual gifts.

      It is then a question of what he did with this gift after he came to be rescued by Jesus.

      Becoming a Christian, being a Christian, doesn’t stop with having heard His voice: that is only the beginning. The next steps, the long way, are as important, if not more important, as the first experience.

      • StandingGround

        I am in No way defending this man but there are things to be considered. Colliemum is right, getting saved is just the beginning.

        Once we accept Jesus, we have a lot of habits to un-do, behaviors to change, actions to drop. Our souls get saved but we don’t automatically become familiar with God’s ways or with the Scripture. When we seek the Lord and read the Bible, He starts peeling off layers at a time. Most of us have other Christians around us to guide us in the right direction and we usually join a church to get good instruction from the Word of God. If done in order, we do all of this before we answer such a big call on our lives.

        Having been in ministry for a few years, I’ve seen this alot – someone like this man gets saved and feels he is called to tell everyone and before you know it, he is behind a podium somewhere with a huge following of people. He has not given Jesus a chance to clean him up and train him up before he answers the call on his life. From what the articles revealed to me that Conniption Fitz mentioned is this man is still operating in all the ways of his youth and his muslim upbringing, short of killing the infidels. I believe his testimony of salvation but I think he experienced this great move of God and then in his excitement, went out in his unchanged flesh and pride to save the world.

        I hope and pray if those accusations are true, the same God that saved his soul will stop him in his tracks and straighten him out before he hurts anyone else. The Lord has brought down the most proudful before and He will do it again. Once this happens, I pray Afshin will allow Jesus to finish the work He started – this time in its proper order.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Amen and well said StandingGround.

        • jbinnout

          You reminded me of the life of Saul converted to Paul. He did not go out right away and start preaching. He was gone for 3 years in prayer and study and then another 11 years, before coming back with plan to preach the good news to the gentiles. 14 years in total. Ga. chapter 1 and first part of 2. Even the Son of God spent 40 days in the wilderness, after baptism by John, before His earthly ministry began.

          • StandingGround

            Good points, jbinnout. Examples from the Bible help validate my points. Thanks!

        • jrt1031

          people need to stop following the rules of churches and religions and start following the intentions that God gives them. True belief comes as an individual not groups or mobs of people.

    • GiantM

      It is what you do between Sundays that determines your true level of faith in Christ. As Christians we need to produce fruit or in other words, do the work of a Christian. The more fruit we produce, the more evident our faith is solid.

      Read John 15:1-17

      http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2015:%201-17&version=NIV

      It easy to say you are a Christian and or act as one, it’s another thing to live as one. “They will know you by your fruit”!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVDHH4OMOSHL5FWF7SSMUYNULA Cliff

      All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Salvation is for fallen men, not perfect ones.

  • WordsFailMe

    You do not need to be born a mystic so if you’ve ever had even one of the experiences this man describes, even a minor imitation of the least of what he has described, you will understand the truth of what he says.

    If you have not, clear you mind for one moment and repeat his words:

    “God of Heaven, Creator of everything, I want this.”

    Then brace yourself.

  • 57thunderbird

    A very powerful testimony.But then again,aren’t all testimonies powerful?

  • deeme

    Thank You Jesus, one person at a time…

    But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Matthew 13:16

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1831223973 Brian Burlingame

    I just watched a second time. His eyes creep me out… the eyes of religious fervor usually hide deep secrets. No thanks

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Molly-Zin/100002267303943 Molly Zin

      Eyes of religious fervor? So if someone were to try to describe to you the profound effect the birth of their first child had on them, or having been rescued from certain death, or discovering that someone who they have fallen in love with and longed for returns that love, or learning that their daughter who had been in an accident was going to survive, or any other experience for which they felt such an immeasurable depth of relief and joy and gratitude and love that just trying to put it into words was difficult—when their passion and emotion shows on their face and in their eyes as they tell you their story, does that creep you out too? Or is it just when God is involved that you are creeped out and suspect some kind of deep hidden secrets (whatever that means)?

    • jrt1031

      I didnt see fervor. It looked more like amazement. Why did you watch it two time. I only had to watch it once and it stayed with me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Betty-Porter/100000128330579 Betty Porter

    I just loved that testimony, stay strong and near Jesus and he will stay with you.

  • 57thunderbird

    Heaven is rejoicing.God is good.

  • LIBERTYUSA

    …(KJV) John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him , Iam the way , the truth and the life : no man cometh unto the father but by me .

    Amen

    and G-D Bless you RS for all that you do .

  • JudyPaulette

    About 4 years ago he gave a sermon at one of Andy Stanley’s churches.
    There is also a jewish convert to Christianity.
    It is called The Star, The Cross and the Crescent.
    Andy Stanley’s is parts one and two. The Jewish woman’s
    is part 3 and this man’s is part 4.

    http://www2.northpointministries.org/player/player.jsp?occurrenceID=1406

  • white531

    This person’s testimony is a strong statement that he believes something that happened to him was real. At least, it was real to him. So real, that it gave him belief he did not previously have. It made him believe in God, and the Son of God. I’m glad that happened to him. I hope some good comes from it. I wish everyone was blessed to experience such a thing in their lifetime. I doubt many of us will. That is why Faith is so important.

    Faith is believing in the existence of something, even though others say you have no proof. This, when proof lies all around you.

    Have you ever walked along the seashore and picked up a seashell? Ever wonder how the spiral is so mathematically perfect? How the division of space between the knobs on the outer shell match the perfection of the spiral? One or two, could be considered a random accident. But wait, they’re all like that, aren’t they?

    A few days ago, I was watching a Praying Mantis on the arm my chair while sitting on the patio. What a fascinating insect. Six legs, two wings, and a head that can turn just like humans. The only existing insect with that particular capability. His front two legs are actually arms, which he can use to reach out and grab things and hold onto them, much the same as we do. He’s also a chameleon. He can change his color to match his environment. Just another one those trillions of freaks of nature I guess. Really?
    Here’s a link:

    http://www.keepinginsects.com/praying-mantis/general/

    My point is, we live in a world made up of unbelievable wonders, that probably should not exist in the first place. But it does, and you and I are a part of it. You can apply all the logic and reason to that, that you can come up with. It isn’t going to change a thing. It will still remain a mystery.

    Some things just have to be taken on faith.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      Whitefriend, have you ever seen a sand dollar? Have you ever noticed the markings on them? Ever broke one open?

      Ever notice the markings on them- there are 4 round holes, and one longer hole. Nails and a Roman spear.

      There is a five “petaled” flower like marking, looks like an Easter lily.

      On the underside, looks like a poinsietta. Christmas flower.

      The part that amazed me the most- is when you break them open, there are 5 little shells shaped like doves- for peace.

      I, living where I do, find sand dollars a lot. All different sizes, but they all have the exact same markings, all have 5 ‘doves’ when you break them.

      They are the coolest things! :-D

      These things are AMAZING.

      • white531

        No more amazing than our transplant from Canada. :)

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          aw! quit it! *blush* you’re so sweet!!

    • jrt1031

      all of us have experienced what he has. Just not in the same dose. Even those that choose not to believe in Christianity have experienced Christ. They just cant see it yet until it is their time. Maybe not until they leave this earth.

  • http://teapartyreaganconservative.blogspot.com/ TeaPartyReaganConservative

    The servants / agents of evil are all about subversion, sedition, revolution, terrorism, deceit, etc.. Anything necessary to achieve their end goals are applied, whether covert, and or overt actions.

    So one would have to truly scrutinize anything these people say and do, regardless of, irrespective of, and or in-spite of the circumstances involved.

  • tshtsh

    Yes, why would He? Jesus obviously did not, Javid had been praying to and was one with Satan from the beginning. Javid fulfilled his grandfather mission of bringing the antichrist faith to Christians.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=16725658 David Westergaard

    As a Christian, I am always excited to hear about people coming to true, saving faith in Jesus Christ. However, I was extremely disappointed to hear him reject Jesus Christ as Lord. He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ. However, that is not enough. God did not simply manifest himself in a human named Jesus. Jesus Christ IS God.
    Here are a few verses, which is the authority all Christians speak on, that state that Jesus is God. There are also many, many more.

    “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30
    The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” John 10:33

    Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
    Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. John 14:8-10
    Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28

    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
    Philippians 2:5-7

    This is not a minor error to be taken lightly. This is a damning error that will determine your eternal fate. I pray that he will read the word of God and come to know that Jesus Christ IS Lord. The good news is that He will forgive us of our sins if we repent of our sins and
    place our trust in Him.

    If you confess with your mouth Jesus AS Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.” Romans 10:9

    • badbadlibs

      Well said. There is only One God and if anyone does not understand that Jesus is God come in the Flesh, to take the sins of the world on Himself, to be The Way, The Truth, The Life, then they have missed the mark indeed.
      God said He would give His Glory to no other and besides Him there was no other God.
      There is only One on the Throne. Amen and Amen.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Molly-Zin/100002267303943 Molly Zin

        And that Jesus is God come in the flesh to take the sins of the world and be the Way, the Truth, and the Life is exactly what Javid said in his testimony, is it not?

    • porightscoopfan

      So is he elect or not David? Or does he have to wait with you utill judgement day to find out if he made Jesus Christ LORD enough?

      You do recall that the Corinthian dude who was sleeping with his Dad’s wife with full knowledge of the Corinthian believers was in jeopardy that Paul commanded “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”

      The dude was a believer………dude was behaving like the Corinthians (well actually worse)………Pauls says if he won’t listen and change is practice, turn him over to satan…….dude’s spirit will still be saved in the day of the LORD JESUS.

      Muslims are like the Corinthians in that when they turn to faith in Jesus Christ, there’s a lot of sh@# to unpack about what life in Christ entails. Lots of Truth that is new to them…..lots of old ‘truth’ they gotta distinguish between…..lots of anti-semitism to figure out……marital practices, etc. You’re supposed to be the mature believer restoring the brother.

      Watch out which way you swing that “Lordship salvation” mattox, you may take your own head off or dig a pit that others fall in………..and Mr. Bema seat ain’t gonna be happy you dun shuvd a brotha outda race

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=16725658 David Westergaard

        When did I bring up anything about election, limited atonement, or any other reformed theological belief? I largely quoted scripture affirming that Jesus Christ is Lord. Believing that Jesus Christ is Lord is an essential tenet of the Christian faith. If you do not believe Jesus Christ is Lord, then you are not a Christian.

        Are Christians not to use any discernment? Is it loving to let a person continue down a wrong path? Should we also affirm the teachings of false teachers that deceive many people? Did Paul not confront Peter in Galations? Was Paul being too judgmental?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=16725658 David Westergaard

    As a Christian, I am always excited to hear about people coming to true, saving faith in Jesus Christ. However, I was extremely disappointed to hear him reject Jesus Christ as Lord. He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ. However, that is not enough. God did not simply manifest himself in a human named Jesus. Jesus Christ IS God.
    Here are a few verses, which is the authority all Christians speak on, that state that Jesus is God. There are also many, many more.

    “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30
    The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” John 10:33

    Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”
    Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? “Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. John 14:8-10
    Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28

    Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
    Philippians 2:5-7

    This is not a minor error to be taken lightly. This is a damning error that will determine your eternal fate. I pray that he will read the word of God and come to know that Jesus Christ IS Lord. The good news is that He will forgive us of our sins if we repent of our sins and
    place our trust in Him.

    If you confess with your mouth Jesus AS Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.” Romans 10:9

    • Conniption Fitz

      “There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven by which we may be saved.”
      “Who has the Son has life; who does not have the Son does not have life.”

      Scripture is very plain on this point.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Molly-Zin/100002267303943 Molly Zin

        It sounds to me then like he is saved, because he is unquestionably claiming the Son as the almighty God and his savior.

    • porightscoopfan

      Hmmmm… sounds like a heavy dose of “Covenant Theology” with a dash or two of “Lordship Salvation”

      Glad your in the word friend, even gladder you’re in Christ!

      There is no dispute that Jesus Christ is Lord. Nevertheless, with regard to muslims, I would be pleased to hear you accentuate the state of the believer IN CHRIST, as a co-heir with Christ

      Again, there is no dispute regarding the headship of Christ over the body. But it is not without cause that the scripture says, “that he might be the first born among many brothers.” Rom 8:29

      and

      The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. Rom 8:16-17

      Muslims don’t have any of that “God becoming like us”, they are very emphatic that “god cannot have a son” and men are always servants of god. That is why the pinacle of their forhead must be prostrated to the surface of the ground in submission every time they pray.

      If you’re going to share with them the glorious good news, why not cast that beam of Truth that brings the most illumination to their darkness in the corners of their heart furthest obstructed by deception.

      We can share more of the details with them as they grow in grace and the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Molly-Zin/100002267303943 Molly Zin

      I don’t understand your objection and I wonder if you might have misheard or misunderstood what Javid said? Where in his testimony did he reject Jesus Christ as Lord? Or say that Jesus Christ is not God? Or that Jesus Christ is simply a human in whom God manifested himself? In fact, Javid said that Jesus IS God over and over as these quotes show:

      “You [Jesus] are the mighty God that is spoken of and you provide so quickly.”

      “This is the story of Almighty God that is able and that is searching for all seeking hearts with all his strength and power.”

      “They [Muslims] ask, “is Jesus Christ God? Can a human being become God?” Of course, NEVER!…but can a God, this great God become man? Can he show himself in the body of a man? Yes, he can.”

      “And so as Christians, we do not say “Jesus Christ is the son of a god because God had a child,” no, no, no, but God showed himself in the body of Jesus Christ to all humanity.”

      “Ask in the name of Jesus, you will receive it because he IS the almighty God.”

      When you say “He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ,” it sounds like you are saying that Javid’s belief is that “God just took over an otherwise human person who happen to be named Jesus Christ” but that is not what he said at all. What Javid said is that the common Muslim argument that Jesus Christ cannot be God because a human cannot become God, is an invalid argument. Yes, a human cannot become God, but Jesus is NOT a human who became God, He is God who took on a human body. And that is exactly in line with Scripture, and in fact, in line with the rest of what you wrote in your post.

      • jrt1031

        and your interpretation makes sense. And thats how God would want it to be. To make sense.

    • jrt1031

      your judgement on others is why people turn to becoming athiest. Get over your factual self. Your interpretation of the testimony above is yours and not his. His will help others. Yours will not.

  • Philo Beddoe

    Well this is just great–if it’s true. There’s alot of religion in prison.

    Why in the back of my mind I remember that:

    Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

  • 911Infidel

    Why should anyone doubt or be surprised that a Muslim would meet Jesus Christ in a jail cell or in some small village in Trashcanistan. It is happening all of the time. What you think that God has some sort of limited powers or something? N’est-ce pas? Uh more like au contraire.

    Get with the program people. In Iran, the majority is tired of Islam. Christianity is the fastest growing religion. Yeah so is atheism in that country. Christianity is making huge inroads throughout the Muslim world.

    I have read many accounts of Jesus Christ actually appearing to Muslims in person or in dreams. Signs and Wonders? You betcha.

    Some don’t trust converted Muslims. Well, the rubber meets the road on the question of Israel. Those that use terms like “resistence” to justify the murders of Jews or “occupation” to describe the existence of the state of Israel are to be ignored.

    Consistent allies such as Shoebat, Dawish, Khalili and many others like them are the ones to trust.

    Oh and ignor the enemedia reports on these fine people. The agenda of the media is the same: to lie, and attempt to discredit these folk because of their supposed “islamophobia” with faux reportage.

    Its too bad that this testimony is tainted by Jovd’s affair at his church.

    However, his testimony is still a powerful reminder that the Great I Am, the Lamb that was Slain, who is praised forevermore, is the Great Itah that Muslims seek.

    • Orangeone

      May I borrow your”Trashcanistan” from time to time? I love it!

      • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

        Its capital city is Yomamasbad

        (EDIT: fixed)

        • Orangeone

          You are on a roll today K-Bob, both are cracking me up!

          • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

            That name came from a buddy of mine. I forget how long ago, but it was before 2001. Even funnier now.

            • Orangeone

              Expanding my vocabulary today and I love it!

              • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                Heh. Some of us specialize in bargain-barrel vocabulary.

                Words by the pound!

                • Orangeone

                  I’ll trade you another pound of vocabulary for an inch or two of snow, lots to give away today!

                • http://boogieforward.us/ K-Bob

                  We got rain. Three days of it. Makes everything mushy.

        • 911Infidel

          ROFLMFAO.

      • 911Infidel

        Its not mine to give. I stole it from someone in here awhile back. But I’m sure he won’t mind. :p)

        • Orangeone

          Notice I said “borrow” so you need only “lend” which makes the offense much lesser and easier to plea bargain :):):) We are all family and share our toys well with one another.

          • 911Infidel

            That’d be like my brother asking me to borrow my neighbor’s tools. Oh sure I’ll just go across the street and get them for you. Don’t think so.

  • Landscaper

    Good Sunday morning one and all.

    Yesterday as this thread was building at great speeds, someone posted a link about Javid as to accusations…… I clicked on it and it left me even more puzzeled as it was a dead end. If anyone has anything to add, please do so.
    I thought his testimony was very compelling and I want to share with our four children. Before I did this, I didn’t want them to come back to me later to say “dad, this man is a liar and fraud” by researching on their own. Or does that even matter?
    Maybe its own long work hours and stress but I’m torn as to share this video via email or not.
    I saw the debate that was going on and I came back later to re view the video. That too was very good compelling {reading} to say the least. My, some here are quite interesting in their views.

    I’m asking for {advice}.

    • Orangeone

      Good mornin’ back to ya!

  • bobemakk

    I feel there is a lot of controversy over this subject.

    • jrt1031

      Why should there be

  • jrt1031

    When will Jesus visit Obama and change his muslim ways

    • badbadlibs

      As much as I would like to place 100% of the blame on the guy in the WH, he had help. His “helpers” are otherwise known as the American voter. Those who voted for him chose to believe the lies the media spoon fed the populace. Not that in the future the left will just occupy the WH regardless of voters, but at least last month it wasn’t totally possible.
      Further, Jesus would reveal Himself (not necessarily physically) to those who actually ask.
      And bottom line, which is the corker to those who belong to God, He has said IF those who are called by His Name would change THEIR wicked ways, He would heal their land…(paraphrasing 2 Chronicles 7:14).

      • jrt1031

        does this statement work better for you since you cant place 100% on the o man

  • Dodoforever Canspell

    The important thing to remember here and in EACH and EVERY case where we see “enlightenment” from ex-Muslims is that they were taught to taqqiyah. It’s as natural to them as a call of nature.
    RightScoop is a softy.

    • jrt1031

      we are all a softy when Hiltlors are running the show and is getting away with murder. God is the only one that truly is in control though ……..in death and life

    • white531

      No, not really. TRS gives you a platform. What you do with that platform, reflects on you, not on TRS.

  • 1endtimes2020

    Russia will not renew the nuclear agreement with the U.S. Can anyone doubt Russia has consultants in Iran, working overtime on its nuclear bomb capabilities? We need more Muslims to see the Light. One day they will, when the battle of Armaggedon will threaten to annihilate humanity, and Jesus Christ returns to save his creations.
    The world will not repent from its sins, but, as individuals, we can.
    It seems ironic that the nations that want to destroy western nations and Israel, are fervently believing and using the Koran for inspiration.
    It is the wrong belief. While they believe, western nations have been turning away from the true religion, just as prohesy predicted. They will not refer to the truth of prohesy in Revelations from the Bible. Not only that, but turning towards socialism and risking the next step to communism.
    That man converted to believing in Jesus Christ. Good, but will he follow the Ten Commandments?
    We all would like to experience ‘seeing’ and hearing Jesus. In the meantime, we can ask Jesus to help us and our loved ones for whatever is worthwhile, that will be in the glory of God. That includes healing. I know it works, because a special healing happened to me. It was by believing as much as 100% as possible that Jesus had already healed me.
    When I had my medical check up, the doctors were very surprised, and so was I. Not because I doubted Jesus would help me, but because of the realization that it worked. As long as the devil is on Earth, we will fall and sin when we don’t want to. It’s the repentance and prayers for forgiveness that helps us to sin less frequently, with the goal of abandoning our worse sins..
    I hope he will be a key to other muslim conversions.

    • white531

      I hope so too, endtimes.

      • 1endtimes2020

        Hi White…Love the comments you make.—Sooo refreshing. Last summer, I watched a tiny transparent insect on my sister’s outside wall of her house. It was only a quarter of an inch long, and half as wide—just enough for me to see the white color of the wall. What an example of God’s creational powers.

        • white531

          And God was watching you watching it. And there is the wonder.

    • NCHokie02

      I don’t believe that it’s ironic that nations against the West and Israel are Muslim. Look at the thread RS has on Walid Shoebat on Islam being of the beast. It’s very interesting. Walid makes a lot of good points and only uses the bible and his knowledge of Islam (being a former Muslim himself) to prove it.

  • jrt1031

    This post ( or thread) by the right side has probably been my all time favorite. Good job!!! keep up the God work….

  • z b

    Why would anybody believe a randome guy, that nobody knows ?

    • white531

      No one has asked you to believe it, z b. It is just there for your consideration. By the way, welcome to Scoop. Hope you stick around.

  • ConservativeCool

    Thanks for this, I really felt it helped my testimony of Jesus Christ.

  • 12grace

    Powerful. Jesus loves ALL people.

  • chatterbox365

    I hope this guy is truly sincere and I wish him well with his walk with Christ. However, I am always skeptical.

  • Lee

    It is part of the Islamic m.o. to deceive infidels and gain their trust. I woudn’t believe a Moslem if he told me that Christmas was Dec 25.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LPZBB66XQFOLVPMW2EZX5JKQ64 Tommy

    Scoop – I know this man personally, and I know him well. He is under police investigation and the content of this testimony is a matter of controversy even within his own family. While I too found the video very moving when I first saw it some years ago, now knowing him and what he is capable of while appearing on many TV shows, I don’t lend it much credibility *at all*. Those who have known him since he emigrated to Canada have seen the testimony morph and become more sensational over time.

    There are lots of honest converts to Christ out there. I am not sure why you want to promote this situation. It is the sensationalism that got him the gigs, it was the gigs that caused him to confabulate and this led to an ever-expanding story and ever-increasing debauchery in private.

    I will be honest as someone who was *way* on the inside of this story. I have *no* idea if anything he says about his supernatural experiences is true. He had a chronic problem with lying.

    Perhaps at this point, he is penitent – not sure. Maybe he is still a danger. I don’t know. At this point, the police are the ones taking care of this.

    Ironically, while the scandal was boiling under the veil of apparent prophethood and piety, it was only the police who really took the matter seriously and took victims at their word. Are the police the more indignant about immorality than the church? At times, it seemed that way.

  • ProudRightConservative

    This guy is accused of sleeping around with 30+ women that he got close to after telling them how he met Christ, many that he was the pastor of….  He is also blamed for a bunch of other things, as taking presents and money for his own use instead of his ” ministry”.  He was kicked out of his church after confessing some of it and goes solo now. His website asks for donations … ” Financially supporting us helps fulfill the call of God on our lives.  ”  he says…He seems to be a jerk. Maybe he repented, but the list of misdeeds is long.  Maybe all others  are mistaken, but  chances are slim. .  BE AWARE!!!!

  • ProudRightConservative

    @ConservativeCool This guy is accused of sleeping around with 30+ women that he got close to after telling them how he met Christ, many that he was the pastor of….  He is also blamed for a bunch of other things, as taking presents and money for his own use instead of his ” ministry”.  He was kicked out of his church after confessing some of it and goes solo now. His website asks for donations … ” Financially supporting us helps fulfill the call of God on our lives.  ”  he says…He seems to be a jerk. Maybe he repented, but the list of misdeeds is long.  Maybe all others  are mistaken, but  chances are slim. .  BE AWARE!!!!