No, Marco Rubio isn’t saying he wants Rove’s new SuperPAC to fight Tea Party candidates

In fairness I’ve only gotten one email about this so far and the person said that Rubio had lost their support because of his comments on Rove’s new Conservative Victory Project SuperPAC. But I’ve also read some of the comments here as well and my guess is some of you will fill the same. But I disagree.

First here’s Rubio’s comments:

David Brody: “Do you think this Conservative Victory Project is a good idea?”

Senator Marco Rubio: Yes. I think they’re both fine. I want to say a couple things in fairness. Karl Rove was one of my earliest supporters even when I was thirty points down in the polls he wrote me a check, he told people he was supporting me, he helped me in my race and I was thirty or forty points down. That’s important for fairness to say that. Ultimately, when I was the nominee American Crossroads came in to Florida and spent a lot of money on my candidacy and we’re grateful for that. But by the same token, I would not have been elected without Tea Party support. I would not have had a chance to even win the Primary without all these folks out there who rallied to the cause of defending our Constitution, limiting government and supporting our traditional values and I’m forever grateful for that as well. They both have a place in American politics.

I think the concern that people have is that somehow people in Washington in the Beltway are going to decide that someone can’t get elected. That’s the argument they used against me and I don’t believe that’s Karl Rove’s intention but I think the concern that people have is that people from Washington are going to come in and decided ‘so and so’ is unelectable, somebody else is more electable we have to go with them and I think that’s a valid concern. There have been some candidates that have been nominated that have not done well in the General Election stage. Perhaps we need to do a better job working through that to ensure that doesn’t happen in the future but I also think we have to be very careful that we’re not discouraging grassroots types candidates from running because often times they get elected and do a pretty good job.

I hope I’m doing a pretty good job. I know Mike Lee and Rand Paul and others who were not supposed to win their races are doing a good job as well so for every story out there about some candidate that didn’t turn out well I can show you one that did. Ted Cruz in this Election cycle so I think it’s important. We’re all on the same team. We’re all working for the same goal. I think we need to take a deep breath and understand that at the end what we all want is to elect the most conservative people possible to come up here, fight to defend the Constitution, protect our liberties and move our country forward.”

Rubio’s answer was very diplomatic and in my opinion, smart. I’ve said before and I’ll reiterate again that Rubio is running for president in 2016. He’s not looking to burn ANY bridges between now and then because he’s going to need all the support he can get. It would do his candidacy no good to become part of a war within the GOP.

And besides all of this, Karl Rove was an early supporter of Rubio. You expect him to throw Rove under the bus now? And if you do, let me ask you one question. Did Sarah Palin lose your support when she endorsed RINO-Y Republican Establishment candidate John McCain for Senate in 2010? No, she didn’t because you knew there was more to the story than just the idea that she was selling out her principles.

I’m just saying there’s more to this story as well. Rubio was just trying to get through the question without stepping on landmines and along the way he even reiterated that the concern people have about Washington sticking its big nose in these grassroots races is very legitimate. And he cautioned against allowing Washington to do that.

Remember, Rubio fought the establishment in 2010 and won. He’s no sellout.

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  • So because he “fought the establishment” he therefore cannot be a sellout. According to that logic nobody has ever gone to Washington with good intentions and sold out. Do I have that right? Just a side note. He apparently fought the establishment with the support of the establishment. I’m not really sure how that works. Maybe somebody can fill me in. I’m just a grassroots guy. Can somebody please think for me? I’m not saying he’s a total out and out sellout but he’s definitely in a few people’s pockets. One of those people is Rove. I despise Karl Rove. He’s the George Soros of the right minus the talent.

    • Yeah what did he fight? Crist was HUGELY unpopular among conservatives because he embraced Obama and stimulus checks. Rubio benefited from this and that’s how he did so well. He’s a career politician who has been around for quite a while in leadership in the FL house.

    • bbitter

      Agreed. I don’t understand the hero-worship we have going on here in this forum, Rand, or Rubio, or Newt, or whoever. We should be able to call-out problems when we see them, and also call out victories and good things when we see them, WITHOUT having a sock shoved in our mouths for telling the truth when people don’t want to hear it.

      The truth about Rubio? He’s riding the fence right now, being “very diplomatic”. He’s being a politician. He’s trying to play both sides. The TEA Party is in stark disagreement with the GOP right now, in that the GOP is pushing for big government, big spending, amnesty, and capitulation on gun control, whereas the TEA Party doesn’t want ANY of that… and Rubio is sitting there saying that he doesn’t disagree with either situation, and in fact, welcomes the coming slandering war. He’s smiling at both sides like we’re both his best friends, when a battle-to-the-death is about to start. His answer: “Yes. I think they’re both fine.”

      This disgusts me. Of all the arguments that could be made for Rubio becoming a tool and moderate, this statement is the strongest. What he is doing is refusing to take a stand until he knows who the ‘winner’ is going to be. Politically ‘smart’? Sure. You bet. You’re right Scoop.

      I’ve had enough of ‘politicians’ in office.

      • lanahi

        Looks to me that he is trying to do a McCain…compromising enough to not make anyone mad at him, “crossing the aisle” whether it involves principle or not. This interview shows someone who won’t take a stand one way or another. Haven’t we had enough of “To be fair…on the other hand…we’re all on the same team…we all have the same goals”? Even when we arn’t on the same team and don’t have the same goals?

        Interesting how Rove supported Rubio from the start. Does he think Rove did that just because Rubio is a good man? Has he asked himself what Rove wants from his support? You’ve been RECRUITED, Rubio, because you are a weak shell who can be easily manipulated!

        Rubio will run as a conservative until he is nominated for the presidency. Then he will have to start paying Rove back for his support. That’s how politics works, Rubio. It isn’t YOU they want but what they can get from you. You will OWE them something.

        No, Rubio…we are NOT on the same team! And just ask Rove and the GOPe if there is really room for all of us! I know what his answer would be if he is truthful because we have already heard his answer. And, no, Rubio, we do not all have the same goal. Karl Rove has his own goals. Perhaps you should find out what they are before you are totally ensnared in his web.

        The only ones who will help change this country around are BOLD conservatives who arn’t afraid to take a stand for principles and fight for them. Think Rubio is going to do that? I don’t think so.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    I agree 100% with your assessment RS! Great Job!

  • marketcomp

    If Rubio is the candidate then so be it. But I refuse, like most thinking Americans, to be suckered in by a marketing campaign, starting now I might add, telling us who our candidate will be. When you have McCain and Van Jones working to prop up the republican candidate all I see is 2008 and 2012 all over again which resulted in a lost for America. I will not go down that road again and if Rubio wants to be President then needs to learn to be principled and stop waffling. In fact, I can say that when Mike Lee and Rand Paul formed the tea party caucus Rubio was absent. So I will not go for another candidate that the GOP puts in my face because what I know sure is that a principle conservative who is articulate will present a challenge for him.

    • Never fear. Rubio sucks on the big stage as we saw last night. To win he has to go to Iowa and get through us pesky Ron Paul forces. We will make him look worse than he did last night. We have all the money and organization to do so and we have a smart, articulate and perfect candidate. He will not prevail 🙂

      • Actually, did you see him at the RNC? That’s the big stage and he was fantastic. I felt bad for Romney having to come out after him because there was no way Romney was gonna be able to match Rubio’s soaring speech. And he didn’t.

        • Sober_Thinking

          That’s a valid point… you are right.

        • notsofastthere

          Rubio is in the congressional snake pit. Sometimes you have to befriend snakes and gain their confidence if you plan to get anywhere.
          Obama gained ‘much’ of the American publics confidence, without revealing who he really was. For Rubio to go in like gangbusters would get him nowhere, but I am cautious of anyone in politics.

          • DavidRobertson

            Rubio strikes me as a guy who believes he can get something done. At this point, he seems to be taking the approach you are describing (befriending snakes). Let’s just hope he either doesn’t get bit or has a good amount of anti-venom.

            I think a lot of the Tea Party criticism being leveled at him right now is because we all distrust the GOP so much that when somebody tries to play nice with them, we automatically label them tainted and look for the next perfect politician to represent us. I would rather withhold such harsh judgement and let his actions run their course. For instance, if he gets duped into amnesty type actions without border security, that will be a direct assault on principle that is open for criticism.

            • PhillyCon

              and look for the next perfect politician to represent us.

              I’m frankly growing weary of this. So, I tend to agree with your overall sentiment. We were so busy looking for the perfect, spotless conservative that we got stuck with Romney.

              • lanahi

                Not perfect, not spotless. Just a true conservative who stands for our constitution and one that is bold enough to fight for it. There arn’t too many yet who have both the principles and the boldness, but hopefully more will arise.

                We have come a long way since we accept anyone the GOP comes up with. If we seem to be a little fussy, it’s because we have been burnt too often by those we thought were conservatives and shown they weren’t or who folded under pressure. We’ll just have to vet them a little better, which is what we’re doing. No one else will.

        • I missed his RNC speech… I was too mad at them screwing over my candidate to watch any of the convention 🙁

        • kssturgis62

          Everyone in the MEDIA and I mean EVERYONE who is pushing this guy – this is what is going off in my head.


        • daeghrefn

          That whole RNC was eminently forgettable except for Eastwood’s…thing.

      • NWIGOP

        I would destroy the Ron Paul forces if I could. They are good for nothing.

        • Sober_Thinking

          Though I’m not Libertarian, there are many Libertarians who are spot on with most of what they say. Your comment is a little harsh.

          • NWIGOP

            I stand by my comments. I do not like the Ron Paul followers.

            • Sober_Thinking

              You have that right… However, there will certainly be some on this site who will “debate” you on your opinion…

              I’ve said some terrible things about Ronulans in the past… but I backed off a bit because I realized I was a) being too harsh (unfair?) and b) many of their points were reasonable and quite conservative. That being said, some of them were ridiculously confrontational and equally harsh (I believe all or most of those folks are now gone) and there are certainly several things that Ron Paul supports that I do not.

              I will follow your posts and the responses you get with interest.

              • NWIGOP

                I am center-right.

        • COME AND TAKE IT ! Ron Paul supporter is Iowa GOP chairman and another one is the Vice Chair 🙂

          • NWIGOP

            I would if I could. alas I live in Indiana. I am very much comfortable here. The land of Mitch Daniels, Mike Pence, Richard Lugar, and Dan Coats Republicans.

            • None of whom have ever shrunk the size of government or done anything for conservatives. All of whom supported Bush and his big government agenda and never said a word against it. The Rand Paul revolution will sweep them away.

              • NWIGOP

                Mitch Daniels did wonders as Governor of Indiana, Sen. Lugar was defeated in the primary by TEA Party candidate Richard Mourdock who lost to Dem Joe Donnelly. Sen. Dan Coats is set to win re-election in 2016 and you know what I think Governor Pence will do a good job.

        • V. M.

          Agreed. Ron Paulians, like RINOs, are destroying the Republic.

      • marketcomp

        Is Rand Paul an atheist? Look, Rick Santorum won Iowa, my friend and I think Ted Cruz is the most articulate person for Conservatism and the Constitution. And I am not seeing that from Paul or Rubio.

        • DavidRobertson

          6 months ago we would have given our left arm for a Marco or Rand to throw their hat in the ring. How long will it be till we start hating something Cruz says? We are too quick to throw away good allies in the fight for conservatism IMO.

          • marketcomp

            Speak for yourself, my friend. We all supported their elections to the Senate but when you compare them to a person who can articulate and communicate Conservatism and the Constitution then you can see clearly the difference. I think you would agree that Se. Cruz has held his own since being in the Senate for this short of time. And I believe that he will not go RINO but will also double down on Conservatism which is the only way to defeat the democrats. Besides we still have free will in this country to support whomever we want and a lot things can happen between now and then.

            • DavidRobertson

              I hope you are right. I like Cruz quite a bit. I guess I’m coming from a point of view that if Cruz doesn’t watch his step, he will be diminished and won’t have an ability to get anything at all done. I hate that aspect of Washington. I literally think that at their base Ted, Rand, and Marco are cut from similar cloth. Their approach to positioning themselves in the cesspool they have to operate in is different. Furthermore, I think that it is flatly obvious that Rubio and Paul intend to make a run in 2016. Therefore, they are not going to take a “damn the torpedoes” tact. They both have decided to give themselves more exposure with their colleagues and the media so that they can get the money behind them they will need to consider their run. None of us like it, but it is a fact of life. I don’t believe any of them have sold their soul yet. Cruz will in time appear to say or do something that will seem disappointing. Reagan had many disappointing moments for the conservative cause, but he is still revered as one of the great ones.

      • DavidRobertson

        I have no idea what you are talking about. Rubio’s speeches over the past 2 years are some of the most dynamic, energetic speeches coming out of the right side of the stage. If you think he sucks at communicating the conservative philosophy, you haven’t been listening…As the admitted RP guy that you claim above, perhaps the kink here is that you are more libertarian than conservative. If that’s the rub, then I get it. Let’s not confuse the two.

        • daeghrefn

          Rubio talks in “my immigrant parents” boilerplate, Rand Paul engages in shameless grandstanding. If Palin never runs, I’m hoping for Scott Walker. He’s shown he has a pair.

  • Rubio is no true tea partier Scoop, I wish you’d wake up 🙂 He was in the FL house for 10 years, speaker after 6! And he was the most viable alternative to the detestable Crist so that’s how he won. He’s no visionary or anything. Rand Paul was true tea party and grassroots, eye doctor and drafted, never held elective office before 2010 and means what he says and wants massive government cuts and isnt afraid to say so!

    • OneThinDime

      The Daily Caller has begun to call Rubio out on his “immigration” con job too.

      DC: “Probationary legal status” is presumably not a “permanent” solution ** in Rubio’s eyes –that’s what makes his description merely a highly deceptive con and not an outright lie.

      I posted more on the Rubio speech thread since DC is talking about the “immigration” portion of his speech. In a nutshell, immediate amnesty, not sealed borders! More 1986 lies.

      Read more:

    • Conservative_Hippie

      No visionary? He’s the first one I know of in recent memory to actually put up a plan that addresses the illegal immigration problem. And though you may disagree with his plan, just the fact that he was successful in producing it gives him credibility as a visionary.

      • lanahi

        Obama is a visionary too.

        And, no, I don’t agree with Rubio’s immigration plan. And, by the way, does he consider anything besides immigration worthy of being talked about? Seems like he is a one-issue candidate.

        • V. M.

          He’s a RINO running for McCain – Romney – “RINO loser 2016”.

        • Conservative_Hippie

          I will agree that he is spending most of his “media” time talking about his immigration plan. I guess he’s passionate about it.

  • deTocqueville1

    Yes Scoop, we do disagree. You are correct, Rubio is running for 2016. This ‘answer’ is an evasive non answer at best and a pandering flattering response to Rove and the Bushes at worst. What exactly has Rubio done which would qualify him to be President? He has been a professional politician for his whole adult life and an insider at that. I know, he is as qualified as Obama, but where did that get us?

    Rubio was elected by the Tea Party not Rove. He is not Tea Party however which is why there was a Tea Party response last night.

    If you want to see the best response to SOTU, see Palin’s on her Facebook page where she fleshes out her real time response last evening on Twitter.

    Palin remains the leader of the Tea Party!

    • Sarah Palin definitely stole Marco Rubio’s thunder last night, she really poured water over the President in real-time with those responses!! I didn’t even care to listen to Marco Rubio or Rand Paul after that..

      • Conservative_Hippie

        Sarah was dynamite, Agreed. But so was Rubio. I’m slowly losing excitement with Rand.

        • I liked what I read from the early transcripts from Rubio, but when I heard it live, it came across different to me.. I guess it sounded better in my head or I was just spoiled from reading it early.. I dunno, I’ve heard better from Rubio in the past..

          • Conservative_Hippie

            Okay Sir.

        • lanahi

          I didn’t see any dynamite from Rubio. He had logical talking points but nothing from the heart, nothing at all energizing.

          • Conservative_Hippie

            I guess he could have been more neregizing, but it was good enough for me. Maybe I have a low eneregizing threshold, lol!

        • M_Minnesota

          You Mean Rand (“It would be an honor to be Mitt’s V.P.!!!) Paul doesn’t do it anymore? I can see Rubio saying that in 2012 if it did happen.

          Palin/West 2016!!!

          • Conservative_Hippie

            One wonders why he was not the pick, maybe he turned Romney down?

      • PhillyCon

        She has a way of cutting through the crap. That’s why there were Lefty’s on her thread. It’s like moths to a flame.

  • No he isn’t saying that he wants Karl Roves new superpac to fight tea party candidates but that’s what going to happen… I’m not really against Rubio, but I am against Karl Rove, he’s hot garbage and needs to be thrown out on his a$$.

    • Sober_Thinking

      I think I align most with what you just wrote.

      I don’t like or trust Karl Rove and would prefer that he just go off and be rich somewhere else.

      Rubio has some good qualities and some minor (some may say ,ajor) strikes against him… I’d like to give him some more time to earn my support. Until then, I’m drooling over Ted Cruz and/or Allen West. If the two of them were on a ticket, I’d be thrilled.

      Actually, it’s pretty early to be on the Ted Cruz train… he’s usually spot on but he needs some time to prove he’s the real deal (though he seems to be now imo).

      • I’d be surprised if Ted Cruz decided to run in 2016 since he was just elected to the Senate, but I’d welcome it.

        • Sober_Thinking

          Yeah, agreed. Allen West waited too… Ugh.

          There is definitely a “seasoning” process… but I fear our conservatives get “Washingtoned” up by being around there too much. For instance, if you shovel manure for a living… you’re gonna get some on you.

          It may be premature for Cruz… but I too, would welcome him (at least right now I do).

    • CO2isGood

      …and by extension if you (Rubio) hang around hot garbage you pick up some of the stink.

  • deTocqueville1

    Perfect! (response to Jeremy)

  • John_Frank

    Rove supported Rubio in the primary against Christ.

    Jeb Bush is Rubio’s mentor.

    Bush and Rove pushed Rubio as the VP nominee for Romney.

    Rove is a snake in the grass:

    Rove Email Leaks: Ideological War Opens in GOP

    In response to the uproar over Rove and his PAC, Rubio gives a politically correct, diplomatic reply.

    While that stance is understandable from Rubio’s perspective, what does it mean?

    That he will not fight against the “Bush Republicans” as represented by Rove and company.

    • deTocqueville1

      Well, that sums up nicely the Rubio, Rove, Bush triumvirate!

      • sDee

        Karl Marco Rubio Bush the Third

    • Sober_Thinking

      You make a point that gives me pause on Rubio. He gave a very political response… smart… but political.

  • He is walking a fine line. My real problem with Rubio is his statements the day after the election and his capitulation on immigration which tells me he ‘feels’ much more than he thinks. Selling compassion is easy and low hanging fruit.

    I understand Rubio’s parents are immigrants but that doesn’t mean we ignore the Rule of Law. It is also pseudo intellectualism to deny that any immigrant staying here regardless of citizenship isn’t amnesty. If you want to give them amnesty tell me why but don’t tell me it isn’t amnesty when it most certainly is.

  • EchoMike

    Scoop, you did a good job, but you’re not going to convince a lot of people on this site. Ever since he came forward with his proposal for immigration reform people on this site have been relentless in throwing Rubio under the bus, and kicking him the rest of the way.
    It’s sad.
    This is why nothing ever gets done, because as soon as someone sticks out their neck they get their head chopped off.
    I like Rubio, I think most Americans would like Rubio, but there are some zealots roving around who wouldn’t even vote for Reagan these days. “You know he supported amnesty” after all.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Lol… point taken.

      I’m concerned who is involved in the “Gang of 8” with Rubio. At least 5 of them are enemies to say the least and not serious whatsoever. I give Rubio credit for attacking this head on… but we’ll have to see where it goes and how he does. And I’m 100% against any form of amnesty.

      I won’t throw him under the bus (yet)… I want to see where he and the rest of the GOP goes from here first. And I still haven’t ruled out a 3rd party… if one matures by 2016.

    • OneThinDime

      So you think amnesty is okay? Reagan started this ball rolling in 1986 and you are correct, I didn’t vote for Reagan then and would not today. There is a big difference between Reagan, Rubio, Paul and maybe Cruz, at least he came right out and said he was for giving amnesty. That law also states it will never happen again.

      • deTocqueville1

        Reagan regretted it because as usual the Dems did not keep their side of the bargain. Sound familiar?

      • lanahi

        Reagan admitted that his amnesty was a mistake and he regretted it.

        • OneThinDime

          Yes he did. But what I’m saying is at least he was upfront in the debates that he was pro-amnesty. The current bloc are skating around calling it immigration reform. Reform hell, it’s amnesty for 20 million compared to Reagan’s 3 million.

    • V. M.

      You know what’s really said? RINOs lost in 2008 and 2012. And another RINO is getting geared up to lose in 2016. Want to know his name? MARCO RUBIO.

  • brigin

    Florida is owned by the Repub establishment and Rubio/Jeb are chief. Repubs are in for a big surprise. The leftist media in FL loved him. What does that tell you?

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Well whoever owns Florida is doing a heck of a job! It seems like everybody is leaving their liberal bastions for the Florida sun! So I guess they must be doing something right!

      • lanahi

        Yes, they have the Florida sun. And it is significant that the liberal bastions are all going there…and continuing to be liberal.

        • Conservative_Hippie

          LOL, no not the liberal bastions going there, the conservatives are leaving the liberal bastions to go there – that’s what I meant. 🙂

  • aposematic

    As an against any and all things Rove, the headline induced the straw that broke the camel’s back reaction. Then I read the full interview statement and decided Rubio was just being the Politician not rocking any boats…especially his buddy Jeb’s boat. Is that good or bad for Rubio? Too early to tell, but my Rubio questions are if anything stronger.

  • Rshill7

    What Scoop said.

    Thumbs up.

  • wallwatchman

    I like Rubio, and I understand what he’s saying here, trying not to be negative against rove, because he ultimately supported Rubio. But therein lies the problem conservatives have with rove. In the end he supported rubio, but not at start. The most conservative candidate is not who rove helps until the primary is over and he has no choice!

    I disagree with Rubio that both these groups can work together. We want the most conservative person and will work hard for them. Rove will take them, after he’s fought them in the primaries, with some moderate candidate, lost, and feels he has to. We’re not on the same page and that’s a problem.

    • Rove actually went on television and ranted maniacally against Christine O’Donnell after she won the Delaware senate primary in 2010. He essentially campaigned for the Democrat.

      • wallwatchman

        Your exactly right! That means at times we can’t even count on him to support the candidate that won the primary!

        Democrats rally around all their candidates, even if it’s a menendez or wiener, yuck. I’m not saying GOP have to stoop that low, but come on rove. O’donnell was not anywhere near these guys, and he still stabbed her in the back. We don’t need this!

    • Conservative_Hippie


      • wallwatchman


    • Sober_Thinking

      Good point.

      • wallwatchman


  • Rubio’s answer was very diplomatic and in my opinion, smart.

    Certainly. Therein lies the potential danger. Is he appeasing Rove or the Tea Party? Or both?

    Consider: GOP Establishment G.W. Bush virtually abandoned border security. if the GOP Establishment can sell Rubio and his amnesty plan to conservatives, then they have a much better chance of selling the GOP to Hispanics (legal or not).

  • sDee

    I was one of Rubio’s strongest supporters as well. I sent what I could and called for both him and Scott Brown even though I do not live in FL or MA.

    Rubio has burned his bridges with me because he compromised core principles when his stand could have turned the tide.

    – He launched a media spotlight campaign for amnesty for illegal aliens, after he promised the Tea Party he would oppose amnesty to get elected.

    – He could have landed a full broadside torpedo on Obama and his subversive , anti-Constitutional cabal – by simply stating that he understands the Founders intent in the natural born citizen clause of Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution, and that being born to two Cuban citizens, that his qualifications for the highest office should be verified.

    This is not political maneuvering as in Palin’s campaign support of McCain, this is self serving abandonment of promise and principle.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Thank you for your insight and opinion. 🙂

    • Conservative_Hippie

      sDee, I understand your problems with the first point, though I don’t agree that Rubio’s Plan is blanket Amnesty. However to your second point I must disagree. Whatever his position is on the “natuarl born” clasue, that’s not for him to decide or to postulate on. That’s for the courts to decide.

      Edit: Addendum – I should add that the courts have not been crystal clear yet on the “natural born” clasue.

  • Sober_Thinking

    David Brody: “Do you think this Conservative Victory Project is a good idea?”

    Senator Marco Rubio: “Yes. I think they’re both fine.”

    That really ended the conversation for me – though I did read the bolded points Scoop identified and also the following: “Rubio’s answer was very diplomatic and in my opinion, smart. He’s not looking to burn ANY bridges between now and then because he’s going to need all the support he can get. It would do his candidacy no good to become part of a war within the GOP. And besides all of this, Karl Rove was an early supporter of Rubio. You expect him to throw Rove under the bus now?”

    Scoop, you make a valid point.

    I’m a little torn over Rubio. I like him and I think he’s a persuasive, almost charismatic individual (when he’s not drinking from a water bottle). I also like a lot of his positions. That being said, I see Karl Rove as the enemy. In fact, he’s worse than the damned Democrats because you expect them to be idiots and to act against anything or anyone right of center. But anyone who calls themself a “Republican”, who is obviously part of the establishment or bows to their will, is not to be trusted. Period. And Rove is even worse than that with playing god and manipulating things and campaigning against conservatives.

    If we can’t get someone who first of all, has most of it right if not all of it right regarding conservative principles (think Ted Cruz or Allen West – maybe Sarah Palin), then I’m not inclined to listen to them – why waste my time? We have too many fence-sitters. Will we have the perfect conservatives in 2014 or 2016? I don’t know… I’ll cross that bridge when I get closer to there.

    But people like Marco Rubio and Rand Paul… have some “stuff” on them… bad policy, bad comments, bad support, bad slip of the tongue, etc., whatever it is… and enough stuff that my radar has gone off. Yes, let them back peddle and try to regain my trust. But with each slip, the price for my trust goes higher and higher because I’m sick of being fooled and cheated. Think Scott Brown in Mass… I believed in him and he turned out to be a moderate at best but certainly a liar.

    It’s way early for 2016… too early perhaps. But the fact that both the left and the right are promoting Rubio and Paul as the GOP shoo-in… gives me pause. I want someone that comes out of left field… someone that makes people excited and scared – like Sarah did in 2008. Until then, Rubio will be kept at arms length… for me anyway. We’ll see where he goes from here.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Maybe the water bottle incident was planned, so that Marco could capitalize on the sheer stupidity of the MSM?! Just food for thought (and water for thought too 🙂 )

      • Sober_Thinking

        You water-carrier!!! (kidding)

        Interesting spin. 🙂

        • Conservative_Hippie

          Things that make you go “hmmm”.

    • and now Foxnews hired Scott Brown the moderate as a contributor..

      • poljunkie


        Fox has lost some ratings/viewers….If they have to wonder why- it’s because instead of being fair and balanced they are now…CNN light.

        AND CNN is now where MSNBC used to be.

        • Yeah, Scott Brown will be on Hannity tonight.. I won’t be watching..

          • Sober_Thinking

            Lol… I specifically avoided his show because I knew Scott Brown was going to be on it.

      • PhillyCon


      • Sober_Thinking

        Oh man… that’s ridiculous. What are they thinking? Stupid…

        I hope it doesn’t last… what a joke.

      • Conservative_Hippie

        That was a bad move.

    • CO2isGood

      Your post pretty much nails it!

      Using his own words against him, Rubio would surely be painted as a friend/protege of Rove, and very likely become just another loser in the end.

      • Sober_Thinking

        I wish him well… but he’s off to a rocky start.


    • lanahi


      “He’s not looking to burn ANY bridges between now and then because he’s going to need all the support he can get. It would do his candidacy no good to become part of a war within the GOP. And besides all of this, Karl Rove was an early supporter of Rubio. You expect him to throw Rove under the bus now?”

      If not now, when WOULD Rubio stand up to Rove?

      The GOPe IS at war against conservatives (started by the GOPe itself), so GOP politicians will have to take a stand. They cannot sit on the fence…it is a matter of fundamental principles. By courting one side, you will lose support from the other because they are total opposites. One side wants to save this country, the other wants to preserve their power and perks. Like Reagan said, “It’s a time of choosing”.

      Rubio isn’t or can’t choose. That says all I want to know about him.

      • Sober_Thinking

        Good post.

        You’re absolutely right that Marco will have to break up with Karl (the sooner the better frankly) and any establishment Republicans if he wants to gain more (my) support.

        I had high hopes for him… but honestly, he’s lost some of his lustre with me. We’ll see where he goes from here.

  • colliemum

    I’ve got no dog in this race, and i agree with scoop that Rubio’s answer was smart.

    However, I agree with some others here who point out that the answer was smart because Rubio is a consummate politician.

    If he’s worked in politics all his life, then this is an answer one would expect: not rocking any boats.

    Perhaps it is time candidates were considered who have done other things in their lives, achieved things outside politics.

    Frankly, I’d prefer a candidate who had the DC pundits and the meejah in a daily, nay hourly, swoon of outrage and incoherent splutterings. Someone who has the Breitbart attitude: ‘apologise for what?’ Someone like you-know-who from TX.

    • Conniption Fitz

      Like NEWT! Or Sarah Palin! Or Ted Cruz!

  • Conniption Fitz

    IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO is running or supported by the conservatives and TEA Party in 2016 – UNLESS WE GET ELECTION REFORM there will never be a relatively honest election again in the US of A.


    We need to lay on the horn – email – call – go to DC – and demand Voter ID and a National Voter Registry based on SS#, photos, birth certificates, fingerprints and/or DNA and mandatory citizenship classes for new citizens.

    NO votes for felons.
    NO votes for illegals.
    NO votes for non-citizens.
    NO votes for deceased.
    NO multiple votes.
    Double supervised vote count. All counties with suspicious numbers must be thrown out or have a carefully supervised run off.

    Don’t just request – DEMAND – honest elections.

    This last election was a farce and fraudulent.

    Obama was not duly elected.

    Heck, as the son/adoptive of foreign nationals who never were US citizens, he was never constitutionally qualified to begin with.

    At least Rubio’s parents actually became citizens, though at the time of his birth, they were not. That may also be the case with Romney.

  • sDee

    I often say we have gotten here because we let our government take two steps to the left and then on e back to the right in compromise. Hussein Obama and Soros were 10 giant leaps to the left.

    Just when we need a full blown exodus to the right, we get Rubio’s bunny hop.

    • Conniption Fitz

      Wonder if Soros is as much a persona non gratis (or moreso) as Piers Morgan in the UK.

      Soros nearly brought down the currency in the UK with all his maneuverings and manipulations.

      He should be deported and removed from any business or political enterprise in the USA.

  • c4pfan

    Well, if it’s ok for Rubio to do that then it should be ok for Rand Paul to play the middile too.

  • poljunkie

    It’s not even 30 days since Pres O was sworn in. We’ve got four long years to muddle thru.

    From now until then, if we’re lucky we will observe some new rock star conservatives. Will they become our champion? Or will they flame out and fade away?

    There are others, that we currently feel affection for and respect. During the coming years, will they take the path of the rhinoceros and fall from grace in our eyes?

    In this political spectrum we persist in being both excited or easily disappointed. The let down comes without difficulty. Our frustration and disillusion comes after many years of being disenchanted and disappointed by those we thought could represent us.

    I know I am getting tired of it.

    We have to scrutinize, but in regards to those who are currently known to us as at least somewhat conservative… that are currently in the mix- we have to- in my opinion at least hear them out…and not thump their every thought ….. or there isn’t going to be anyone left to consider….AND… the left is going to take 2016…Because our candidate will be another squish.

    Edit: typo…I dont see them until I hit post!

  • JRD1

    Rubio did not fight the establishment.

    He used the TEA party to jump the line of succession.

    Jeb Bush’s son endorsed him right away and the rest of the gopE just sat back and waited for Crist to implode. They all knew we were livid with Crist for that picture with Obama.

    The establishment never criticized Rubio but they went after Allen West and Rick Scott daily.

    Rubio was always establishment.

    He ran off the stage when he heard other TEA party candidates were in the vicinity.

    Let’s not rewrite history.

    Floridians were pissed that the National Republican Senatorial Committee endorsed Crist, that’s all. We told the NRSC to stay out of our primary.

    • Oh come on! The establishment came out for Crist. The NRSC put their marbles into Crist’s buggy and Rubio still beat him in the primary. Yes, Rubio beat the establishment candidate. Then Crist turned slimey independent and Rubio beat him again.

      • JRD1

        Rubio beat the NRSC.

        The Florida establishment did not go after Rubio. As they shouldn’t have. He was the Speaker of the House for gosh sake. You can’t get more establishment than that.

        The NRSC interfered in our Florida primary. The NRSC chose Crist not the Florida GOP. They wisely stayed out of it and that is what pissed off Crist more.

        Hey, I don’t have any problem with what Rubio said.

        For instance, after McCain/Palin lost, Sarah Palin never criticized McCain. She even campaigned for him even though she didn’t agree with him on many things. Many people are angered by that. I don’t have a problem with her loyalty to McCain or Rubio’s loyalty to those who helped him along the way.

        • lanahi

          Sarah’s loyalty was to a person (a friend), but she never made the mistake of thinking the establishment is on our side because she knows better.

          Rubio’s loyalty is to…what? Do you know?

  • DavidRobertson

    Rubio’s support for Rove’s PAC is unsettling, but not damning. I prefer to give people like Rubio more slack than this. I haven’t found a policy or stance from him that is irreconcilable for me that would cause me to withdraw my support. I think that at this point it is a stretch to call him a sellout or a “RHINO”. If you think that, then you’ll need to produce a voting record from him that shows it. (Admittedly, I need to do more work to understand his record as a whole myself–which isn’t long purely because he’s only been there a few years). People want to categorize him as an open borders guy who can’t be trusted, but I just don’t see it.

    • lanahi

      Immigration reform is one of the most important issues facing us because the effects are so permanent. To vote in amnesty would be a great boon for Democrats. But Rubio only has one issue that seems to be important to him…immigration reform, which sounds a lot like amnesty. Call it what you will, but that seals the deal for me against him.

  • RichardNC

    Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides”. — Margaret Thatcher

    Be careful Marco!

  • kssturgis62

    Rubio already Sold out. Him and Karl Rove are Friends and he is So Close to Jeb Bush. Rubio Lied out Right LIED.

    Now no one is perfect, but this guy Said in 2009 NO AMNESTY, but then gets elected and Says Yes lets give Amnesty, and is now bending on Border Security.

    I don’t know if there is going to be a 2016. I want to get to 2014 and pray dems don’t take back the house. they aren’t far behind.

    We have McCain, Graham I believe and a couple of other Senators up for re election, including Rubio, and that news doesn’t look to good. I want the Majority of these people Gone, I want to re take the Senate.

    As far as 2016 goes this is way to early, but this man isn’t it. I am so sick of him being shoved down my throat. The rock star, the shining kid, the best sotu response i ever heard, give me a break.

    Yes he is a nice looking man, but MY HUBBY IS GORGEOUS. I don’t vote on Looks, I vote on Record, and his record lacks character, and he has lied, and I don’t forget.

  • Bill Steward

    Rubio has had one clear agenda from the start, Amnesty, and he’s using the GOPe’s narrative of “Romney only lost because of Latinos” to push his agenda forward… Anytime the GOPe wraps their arms around someone, it should raise Red Flags with Conservatives… I don’t believe Rubio is even close to the Conservative some are portraying him to be and his Amnesty bill is 1986 revisited…

  • Longiron

    If Rubio turns RINO with the Karl Roves and Jeb Bushes, Alexanders, McConnell, Graham, Boehner, Cantors he will be toast. Burning yourself with the TP conservatives will cost anyone a National Election. Same with Rand Paul endorsing McConnell who tried ro stick it to him. RINOS, BEWARE YOU WILL NOT WIN. Better get outside the beltway and talk to the people !!!!!!!!

  • Joseph ewing

    As long as moderate Republicans fight with conservatives, we’ll have Democrat Presidents.

    We are our own worst enemy.

    • lanahi

      No, I don’t think so. I think the fight between these two factions is a necessary cleansing of the GOP party. If the establishment wins the fight, guess a third party will be necessary, because there will be no place for conservatives in the GOP.

      We have Democrat presidents because the GOP doesn’t stand for anything except going along with the Democrats…whatever they want is what they get. There’s nothing they stand for, nothing to vote for.

  • chatterbox365

    Rubio is walking too close to that RINO line. I like Rubio, but if this is the guy running for President in 2016, he shouldn’t be taking any advice from Rove. Other than Bush (and that was just pure luck), Rove has promoted loser candidates. Let’s not forget we have lost many seats ever since this snake slithered his way to the White House. Look at all the money and BS that went into “Mr. Electable” (Romney), spearheaded by the suppose “architect.” Talk about an epic fail.

  • We still got more battles to fight with the Preezy. I’m more concerned about that.

    • lanahi

      We can walk and chew gum at the same time. There is a two-headed battle to be won.

  • G_unitttt

    Good points RScoop! i agree

  • WordsFailMe

    Rubio Rinio

  • Amjean

    I still think actions speak louder than words. When he shows me by his actions he is a conservative, I will support him. Right now he is looking like someone
    who is a “Bushie”. Not again.

  • puma_for_life

    Deciding who is the candidate for a position is in the hands of the voters, not Karl Rove. I really think Rove is a hindrance, not a help. I think Rubio is already very tied to establishment thinking. I don’t really trust him.

  • Rubio impressed me the other night, despite the flop sweats. He did mention the Constitutional requirements of limited government, and he made some strong arguments about free markets.

    But he has a LONG way to go to convince me his candidacy wouldn’t be EXACTLY like Romney’s.

    I’m open to his attempt to be a Restoration guy, but if he’s not, then I’ll fight him with every dollar I can spare.

    For a man to be “conservative” means nothing anymore, unless Restoration is his highest priority.

    Rubio has all the tools at his disposal to be THAT guy. I seriously hope he accepts the challenge to Restore liberty. If he does, I will send him a substantial check. If he doesn’t I will send MORE to someone else.

    (Personally, I hope everyone simply votes West. He would clearly be a better leader than Rubio.)

    • Well, one area where we would like our candidates to be more like Romney would be for them to more charitable, showing the power of civil society through their own actions.

      • Oh, sure. That’s just nice.

        Nice isn’t a differentiating principle, though. Everyone thinks people should be nice. Even the hateful, race-mongering leftists.

  • BS61

    Me personally – yes, Sarah Palin did lose my support when she stumped for the supposed maverick that I am stuck with here in AZ.

    I’ll stick with the ones who don’t feel obligated to another politician.

    Finally, I thought that I read that Karl Rove and Charlie Crist had some issue due to Crist dissing the Bush’s which is why he donated 1K to Rubio.

    Our country is off he rails, and I can’t support someone who acts like it’s politics as usual!
    I’ve been on both sides now, but I’m no longer gonna say it’s okay just because my party won.

    I love that Rubio can actually speak about conservative values. Thanks for posting the actual text Scoop! Sorry to any Palin supporters.

    • I’m not terribly sure that phony Hayworth was much better than Mav, to be honest, but then he probably wouldn’t have supported La Raza all the way till now.

      • BS61

        Jim Deakin was the real deal Vet that was running against McCain and Hayworth. He had my support and during the debate ripped both of them on spending!

  • V. M.

    He’s A RINO

    • That’s hardly the most dangerous charge.

      You know why Newt lost? Not just because of the establishment or something, and certainly not because he was a RINO, but also because he came off as inauthentic, hypocritical, and dishonest, playing by his own rules and saying different things to different people. That was the difference between Santorum and Gingrich.

  • This shameless boosting of Rubio across the Conservative blogosphere is getting tiring. Especially when we see smears against people like Paul Ryan, Bob McDonnell, Susana Martinez, and many others.

    It’s not that Rubio is a RINO, but that, like Obama, his eyes have been focused on the White House since at least he was in Tallahassee, and he’s all flash, no substance, seeking attention and grandstanding instead of doing a proper job to advance Conservative principles both inside and outside Washington.

    In other words, I find him a bit of a phony. Looking pretty and posing for the cameras is what he’s best at, but then we wouldn’t want Obama to win even if we controlled his mind or something.

    Few people have relied on boosting their biographies, and embellishing it when it suits them, like Marco Rubio, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama.

    At least Ryan is authentic and honest about what he really thinks, and explains his views in a clear and respectful way to everyone, not to different people at different times. That’s the difference, and that’s what makes me distrust Rubio.

    But let’s not misunderestimate the power of mass media, including Conservative bloggers, to push Tony and Hillary.

  • garyinaz66

    Rubio becoming more of a RINO and a captive of the republican establishment on a daily basis…..

    cant you hive a straight answer to a simple question? got to take both sides of every issue.

    amnesty for illegals, now you cant answer a question.

    how much more “moderate” will you “evolve” to in your bid to lose to hillary in 2016.

    rinos wont win national elections, too many conservatives stay home rather than vote democrat-lite. and no matter how liberal you become, democrats, even hispanics you give amnesty to, will not vote for you. learn from mccain and romney.

  • waytngtym

    Rightscoop: What is the chance of posting in response to this four days later and you getting this message, especially getting it to Mark Levin? Well, I’m going to try it.

    Mr. Levin,

    I really hope you have not chosen Rubio at this “early” (if there is such a thing) stage of the game as the Tea Party nominee for 2016. I feel you are in danger of losing your base support if you do. Trying to push Rubio on the readers here after he made his declarations on “Immigration Reform” and the outpouring of disgust about it here would be catastrophic, if that is what you are doing.

    I am new to this site and even to the movement, but I have been reading books and following when I can here, researching the web, etc. I still am green, but I am trying to make a commitment to help, better late than never. Even I have a gut aversion to Rubio. As a new Senator, he is learning things and perhaps would learn to be his own man and carve his own intellectual path, if he would be given the chance. But what is happening is that he is being co-opted, body and soul. And now he stumbles over himself.

    What happened to Romney, in my opinion, was that he ceased early on, back when he was a Governor perhaps anticipating trying to please the GOP for the nomination, following his own lead and being his own man. Well, that aside, I think Rubio is floundering badly and it would be well if everybody left him alone.

    Additionally, his opening remarks in the presentation of the “GOP Immigration Reform Framework” that there are millions of undocumented aliens “here to stay” was already the nail in the coffin for him. He will never, never be accepted by true conseratives for saying that, unless he recants completely. It seems so much like something that Rove would do to pick a candidate and groom him for “palatable” mass consumption, and it is a crying shame that the possiblilty exists that you would be now doing the same with Rubio.

    Would rather see you put forth support for all potential candidates that are Tea Party leaning, who want to be heard, who make some claims and have time to build a track record proving them in the next 3 plus years, give them equal exposure in your various forums, and finally, let THE PEOPLE decide which ones they want to support. IS THIS NOT THE TEA PARTY WAY? Trust the process. It’s the founding principle, yes?

    I personally find Rubio’s speech to be convoluted and in the end double speak. I think he is genuinely confused. And as a green one myself, he makes me confused, which I am not seeking at this point.

    Further, I think I represent more voters than you may have considered. We need someone who can speak to the people simply, not just to your level of erudition. Someone who can speak the language of the people. Goodness, why is this so blame hard to see? At this point, no one can speak to the people better than Sarah Palin, still. But there are many people out there who are able to speak from their own mind and heart, clearly, and it is immediately obvious when they do. Rubio would find his way there again, if he wanted, on his own though.

    I have been so grateful to find trs because it is on the mark, and fair, and DEMOCRATIC. I could go on. But I have been cringing painfully every time you back Rubio with such partiality as you have show. It makes absolutely no sense to me. Unless you are caving into fear like Rove. I hope I am wrong.

    What do I know.

    Actually I am glad I am four days late, because it gives me the next best opportunity to a more private post than anything else, a private but earnest message posted to you.

    Respectfully, W.