By The Right Scoop


I was listening to callers discuss this on the radio this morning and while some liked the idea, others worry that it will open the door to other religions and even others think it’s ridiculous to allow our liberal educators teach the Bible at all for fear they will twist and malign it as they do with so many other things.

I think I could see myself with potentially all of those concerns:

FOX NEWS – Passages from the Bible could become part of the curriculum in North Carolina’s public high schools under legislation proposed in the General Assembly.

The bill would allow local school boards to offer elective courses for credit on the Old Testament, the New Testament or a combination of both.

No student would be required to take the classes, but they would provide academic credit toward graduation. While civil libertarians worry about religious courses at taxpayer-supported schools violating the Constitutional separation of church and state, primary sponsor Sen. Stan Bingham said Wednesday he doesn’t see a problem.

“This is an elective,” said Bingham (R-Davidson). “I don’t think it’s out of order for a student to ask a school system to take an elective in the Bible.”

Bingham’s bill, as written, only names the Bible as an option. A dozen lawmakers in the GOP-controlled Senate have signed on as co-sponsors, including three Democrats.

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  • d00mie

    Depending on the details, this could be good or bad. If the students are actually allowed to read the KJV Bible, it could be a very good thing.

    • maynardb50

      I see nothing bad in it, only good. I had a friend in elementary school. He had handicaps from polio, was made fun of constantly. Once he told me he had never been to church. I had him walk with me to church and got him a free Bible. He was so proud of his Bible. He died a couple of years later. I still shed a tear sometimes when I think of his pain and sorrow.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        That’s a sweet and amazing story. Thank you for that.

      • TexasPGRRider

        You helped an Angel get his wings

        • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

          Amen, that was a really nice thought.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Poncy/1339730989 Jeremy Poncy

        You see no potential problems with the prospect of Union organized liberal teachers “educating” our youth about the Bible? I would love to see the Bible in our public schools but until we abolish the Department of Education and return the schools back to local control I see no good in it. Let’s not put the cart before the horse. Besides until education is wrest away from the federal bureaucrats in Washington it would be unconstitutional to do so.

        • maynardb50

          There is nothing unconstitutional about religion in school. It is a made up rule by the supreme court, that was ineffectually challenged. it is not the cart before the horse. As long as it is a voluntary curriculum, I see no issues.

    • retiredconservative

      I agree, d00mie

      The Bible stories have the power to shake themselves free of political entangling, and the KJV is such a perfect model of how to craft the English language for the true, the beautiful, and good.

      Even worst case scenario–the teacher who might not have the depth of character to comprehend all that–the elegance of the KJV and the power of the stories will transcend.

      • crosshr

        out in the field, although the wheat will be populated, also the tares will thrive. They’ll separated when times come for harvest. To be honest, I’m scared, and hesitant, but we must sow the Incorruptible Seed regardless of soil situation. Our Prayer are for the Maintenance work, the watering, weeding, pruning and so forth shall yield precious fruits

  • clockwindingdown

    Being it is an elective and not a requirement to argue against it would also be to argue against freedom of religion and persecution there of.

    “Sarah Preston, policy director at the American Civil Liberties Union-North Carolina, said it is notoriously difficult to teach the Bible inside a public school in a manner consistent with the First Amendment, which can put educators in a thorny situation.”

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    Nowhere in the First Amendment does it restrict teaching from, about, or of the bible, or any other religious book. In fact there is language addressing this, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;” key words here “Prohibiting, thereof”.

    • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

      Good post! There’s those pesky facts from the Constitution again that Libtards like to ignore so they can push their agenda.

    • Patriot077

      Our Judeo-Christian values and beliefs should never have been removed from our schools. Having said that, at this point in time, I would be hesitant to include the teaching as an elective. I think it opens Pandora’s box. Not only could they be taught incorrect interpretations of scripture, the next step would be including in depth teaching of all other religions, all subject to biased teaching by “experts” with other motives.
      As much as I want to see our society get back to strong moral values, I prefer that we grow our relationship with God in our families and churches.

      A few days ago, Scoop posted a mind boggling article on the curriculum in Texas and I wouldn’t want to open the door to more of the same, or worse.

      http://www.therightscoop.com/students-encouraged-to-dress-up-in-burqas-at-texas-high-school-using-islam-biased-curriculum/

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IQIGXRVWW5XRETNV25R4FATCOM ssenecal5000

      ANd dont let them say we are backwards compared to europeans

      In Germany , its law that they must offer religious classes to every public school student

      • clockwindingdown

        I saw something that said they must study religion of their, meaning the student, denomination until the age of 14. Very interesting, what I saw did not elaborate on it, which leaves me ill informed.

      • cabensg

        I suppose it’s because Germany forbids home schooling, by law.

  • Kelly60

    Be careful that “can of worms” you open.

    • Lippenheimer

      But it’s hard to understand the history and development of Western Civilization without studying the Bible. It’s a rather key text.

      • Kelly60

        I agree Lip, I also agree with Scoop in that teachers today I honestly don’t believe have the knowledge nor will pursue teaching it accurately. I’d love to have the Bible taught in schools…don’t see it happening too many places but we can always hope. I’m a little bigoted where that’s concerned though. I don’t want students learning the Koran though. That’s one of the “worms” I was referring to…

      • deTocqueville1

        It should be interwoven with teaching the history but as a course in religion?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwWW2DQS_DU Booker (D-Marxist Meadows)

    It sounds like a good idea. But I am hesitant. I don’t want to open the door to any Quranic teaching. Also, I don’t want any liberal theology or social justice mixed in with the plain bible. Just teach them the Bible, make some lessons, and leave it at that.

    • clockwindingdown

      Here you are touching on the curriculum of how the bible, or any religious book would be taught. Such a book could be taught in a favorable or unfavorable manor, used as a tool for or against. Versus simply reading an attempting to understanding what is said without the corruption of an others interpretation.

      I find Biblical study as history to be fascinating.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      There is no social justice in the Bible. If the Bible was stuck to that wouldn’t be a danger.

  • M_J_S

    If you have to swear on the Bible for your oath after election, why can’t it be taught in schools? HUH?

  • Lippenheimer

    Neat!

  • marketcomp

    FANTASTIC, AWESOME!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    I have studied theology in an academic setting objectively for decades. I began in HS. This can be done and done right if parents and educators put the proper maintenance on the class and course. Why do people in this country think that life at every level requires no maintenance? Vote…and you are done, walk away. Vote the school board and never ever look at the curriculum or enforcement mechanisms. I could go on but I think people get it. The mess this country is in didn’t happen overnight.

    And BTW…a fundamental understanding of the Bible is needed to understand things like classic literature and history, and that is regardless of your religion. That is why kids today have no clue about Western Civilization. If you don’t know where you came from how do you know where you are going?

    I’m going to add I just didn’t just study Christianity, I studied religions in general as well. It has been extremely useful.

    • deTocqueville1

      Perhaps though these studies should occur at the college or university level except as part of the teaching of history.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        They should start much earlier than that. That is why we are becoming a nation of idiots. You start reading classic literature that needs a basic biblical understanding in order to process the literature. Same with history and geography. I guarantee you your parents, grand parents, great grandparents didn’t wait until college.

        I see though why people are saying what you are and that is due to a lack of distrust of school system. As I said, life requires maintenance.

    • Patriot077

      I agree wholeheartedly with your study experience and the benefit of a broad knowledge base.

      Any reservations I have to study in the schools is, as you say, that it must be done right with proper maintenance by parents and educators. That doesn’t exist today though parents are becoming more involved, and it won’t be fixed overnight.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        Totally agree.

        I would like to point out that you need to understand the concept of humanism and existentialism to understand Voltaire and by rote Thomas Jefferson. That is but one example.

        I bet people have no idea how the Bible played a major role in the French Revolution and why that failed yet ours succeeded.

        • crosshr

          I have clicked on like in most of your comment Laurel for the reason I sense in my spirit your talk are very much from where you’ve walked, even so you walk ( I fearfully believe so )

          I would sum up your statement in my humble opinion and belief that Golden Rule of the Bible goes hand in hand, Love God with all thy might, strength and spirit, and Love thy neighbors as yourself.

          As in many revolution that took place,( we know that in order for a revolution to be effective, blood always shed, sad fact )the spirit of the “word” most of the time got dried up in millions of reasons and interests, and the “word” becomes law(technical). And that law can be interpreted depend on any ones interest. Quite often we witness, the very reason and purpose why a revolution takes place got defeated in the end with the loss of countless lives.Come to mind the Crusade, Mao of China, Stalin of Russia, the French revolution and her mob. And I admire the Americans of old, how they managed through rough waters and stormy nights to get to SHORE !

          I am thinking, Christianity and Religion, although the plan of salvation is a must for the Heaven entry,(and I embrace that dearly)we still live (endeavors here on life’s journey) in the earth.Six years I grew up send to a Wesleyan High School( boarding School, still alive,lol) then I went to a Catholic college for another 4 years. Yes there were scriptural teachings, and religious protocol to follow and observed and expected to live, I still have choice. Although I’m neither one of these two churches today, but the richness of the early scriptural opportunity to learn from these two schools as I humbly witness today how it benefits me is quite a privilege.

          My apology in advance if I’m far off from your meaning and the long respond.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

            I’m not sure what your meaning is or what you are getting at. What I am saying is the Bible can be and absolutely should be studied. It is an integral part of Western Civilization and so are other religions in proper context. My studying the bible and all religions objectively has actually helped me in my faith but it has also schooled me to understand Western Civilization and what it is comprised of…and why.

            Also there are certain books in the Bible old and new testament that are not only rules and warnings but a commentary of the times as well. It is interesting in that context, at least IMO, because it shows man hasn’t changed all that much.

            And if I am reading you correctly, and I don’t believe I am to be honest, you misunderstood my French Revolution comment entirely.

            • crosshr

              I added more sugar to an already sweet cup of tea so to speak.I elaborated excitingly (excessively) lol) as you you mentioned the need to understand the concept of humanism and existentialism to understand Voltaire. It’s been too long and I haven’t done much revision on history but I smile cause I vaguely remember his (famous) phrase … “If God did not exist, He have to be invented ” or something like that. I believe in the institution of the Holy Scripture in school. Like teach a child the Word of God, they won’t depart from it as they grow up.

              I mentioned other revolutions took place because so systematically like Stalin, the terror he down poured on Russia were motivated with evil power hunger (as I assume seen here from power hunger admin). It’s saddened me that I see that Christianity of any form is Labeled as something to stay away from by our most Liberal minded so called wise politicians.

              Anyway, thanks for all the meaningful writing. You make a lot of sense. My take of your comments may be from a different angle, but I think it’s same moral we all thinking of. If it’s far off, realize you deal with a carpenter. Besides my hammer and a bunch of nails are my Jesus fanatic !

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                Thank you for the clarification. Yes we are on the same page. I don’t even think the Bible needs to be t,aught from a Catholic view, Protestant, Baptist, etc. It needs to be taught…as well as other religions. For good or ill, religion shaped and formed the world.

        • crosshr

          I have clicked on like in most of your comment Laurel for the reason I sense in my spirit your talk are very much from where you’ve walked, even so you walk ( I fearfully believe so )

          I would sum up your statement in my humble opinion and belief that Golden Rule of the Bible goes hand in hand, Love God with all thy might, strength and spirit, and Love thy neighbors as yourself.

          As in many revolution that took place,( we know that in order for a revolution to be effective, blood always shed, sad fact )the spirit of the “word” most of the time got dried up in millions of reasons and interests, and the “word” becomes law(technical). And that law can be interpreted depend on any ones interest. Quite often we witness, the very reason and purpose why a revolution takes place got defeated in the end with the loss of countless lives.Come to mind the Crusade, Mao of China, Stalin of Russia, the French revolution and her mob. And I admire the Americans of old, how they managed through rough waters and stormy nights to get to SHORE !

          I am thinking, Christianity and Religion, although the plan of salvation is a must for the Heaven entry,(and I embrace that dearly)we still live (endeavors here on life’s journey) in the earth.Six years I grew up send to a Wesleyan High School( boarding School, still alive,lol) then I went to a Catholic college for another 4 years. Yes there were scriptural teachings, and religious protocol to follow and observed and expected to live, I still have choice. Although I’m neither one of these two churches today, but the richness of the early scriptural opportunity to learn from these two schools as I humbly witness today how it benefits me is quite a privilege.

          My apology in advance if I’m far off from your meaning and the long respond.

  • Mythslayer

    HMMM, I recall my Geometry being taught by the Basketball coach and English taught by the Football coach. Health was taught by the Gym teacher. My Biology teacher was atheist and made fun of me. (I didn’t realize it was due to my Biblical beliefs until my 2nd year with him.) My retired neighbor tells how she was totally unqualified yet forced to teach Chemistry and Biology. She had to study to stay a chapter ahead of her students.
    None of the above were trained to teach the subjects they were teaching.

    Could be interesting to see an unqualified teacher trying to teach the Bible. Would they “study” to stay a chapter ahead. Heh, heh, that would be good.

    The Bible does say God’s word will go out and not return void but accomplish that which God wants and “it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it”. (or succeed)
    That would be amazing to watch.

    • Rshill7

      I had instructors in Biology, Microbiology, Health and Ethics that ‘tried’ to make fun of me too, I just made fun of them right back, only with a little more oomph.

      They learned quickly to leave me alone, or look silly.

    • deTocqueville1

      Interesting commentary.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      That goes with the deeper problems within the school system and it’s structure and really is a side issue.

      Demand the standards get fixed! However you prove exactly what I have been saying about why the crap takes place in schools that does. Universities churning out idiots. Those idiots pass on that idiocy to your children.

      Here is an example. My husband’s grandmother and grandfather were both teachers..as well as his parents. They actually had to get a degree in something. His grandmother got her degree in math and science, valedictorian, Chico State University. She then had to take teaching classes, get that credential, student teach for three years, then she got her teaching position. My daughter’s school mate received her math credential in teaching under a general education degree with two years of those courses out in the field student teaching. Big gigantic difference!

      However let’s not toss out the baby with the bathwater either. One of the best comparative religion courses I ever took was from a die hard progressive. She took pride in her teaching and taught that course honestly and objectively…so it’s possible.

    • crosshr

      interestingly enough, as you said in last paragraph, I am reminded that the Bible is the Living Word of God and is incorruptible
      yes that would be amazing to watch !

  • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

    The way they have to discuss and wonder if it should be allowed… You’d think they were discussing the works of the Marquis De Sade instead of God’s inspired Word!

    The NEA however have nothing but great things to say about Alinsky books:
    ===
    Excerpted from WND: The National Education Association has made a glowing assessment of radical socialist community organizer Saul Alinsky and is enthusiastically recommending American public school teachers read two of his books, including one dedicated to Satan.

    On its website, the NEA dubs Alinsky “an inspiration to anyone contemplating action in their community! And to every organizer!”
    ===

    So Satanic inspired garbage is welcome, but the Word of our Lord God is not!

  • deTocqueville1

    I understand the motivation and intention but am very sceptical about the consequences. The current state of public education and the approach of most teachers which is predicated on a personal perspective founded on secular humanism and relative values may do far more harm than good. Furthermore it will be impossible to deny other religions the same opportunity. How would that possibly be helpful unless it was taught as a secular course on comparative religions. Are elementary students ready for such a course? I doubt most are.

    This is a Pandora’s box.

  • TexasPGRRider

    GO FOR IT !!!!

  • leel004

    out of the 30,000 different denomimations and interpretations, whose perspective will they teach from….or will it be a totally new interpretation/s…maybe doubling the already MASSIVE interpretations we already have. God help us
    PS…i would say it opens up to allowing Islam to be taught also, but that is already happening

  • Nukeman60

    If this class used a local Pastor or Priest to teach it and it remained elective, I could see the merits. However, I see some atheist or agnostic getting the nod and using the Bible to desecrate God’s word. That’s usually what the NEA and our public school system ends up doing.

    A class in comparison religions could be very helpful to young, impressionable people, but it never ends up the way it is designed for. Leave the Bible studies to the Church and the home, and try to get the kids to actually learn reading, writing, and arithmatic in school.

    God knows they’re short on that.

  • 12grace

    Since they took out the bible in schools ( North Hills elementary school, 1963) due to the complaint of one Atheist family, we have seen what has happened to our country. Now, we can see the glorious things that will happen when we bring the bible back into schools.

    However, we will have to watch that this administration doesn’t try to force our schools to make it mandatory to teach Islam.

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      They took the Bible out and wonder why shootings happen. :-(

      • GWShrub

        Yup. In 1963 millions of school children were no longer ‘required’ to recite the Lord’s Prayer at the beginning of each school day….MILLIONS of praises to our Father,….
        ceased. And 10 years later, in 1973, we began barbarically MURDERING babies before they were born……it’s really sad.

        • johnfromjersey

          Well sir, we started our school day with a reading from the Bible, a Psalm or Proverb. Then, we all stood, hand over heart, and recited the Pledge, no exceptions.
          The way I look at it is that after giving honor to God and country, we were ready to learn.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Well said. :-(

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Well said. :-(

      • crosshr

        sailing through a rough ocean with no COMPASS ! To arrive to shore is a prayer in the fox hole, to stay alive is one BIG GUESS !

      • crosshr

        sailing through a rough ocean with no COMPASS ! To arrive to shore is a prayer in the fox hole, to stay alive is one BIG GUESS !

  • c4pfan

    I just see a opening a can of worms though.

  • MadAsHellJack

    Praise The Lord!

  • sDee

    others worry that it will open the door to other religions and even others think it’s ridiculous to allow our liberal educators teach the Bible at all for fear they will twist and malign it as they do with so many other things.

    Atheist Germany’s mandatory public schools also have mandatory classes for major religions, Christianinty, Judiasm and now……Mohammadism.

    We let these marxist union members teach our youngest minds the Constitution too – how’d that turn out?

    • 12grace

      Good point, s.

      I was excited initially but your point is well-taken.

  • Amjean

    Why are the state sponsored schools getting involved in this? Why not leave
    bible study to the churches who have always held classes for young people and
    adults alike?

    I would bet money there is a backstory to this that we are unaware of.

    • BaconHotline

      I graduated from a small state college in ’84. “The Bible as Literature” was ALWAYS one of the first courses to fill up.

      • Amjean

        That is interesting. However, in today’s world I just don’t trust
        any state/fed agenda that looks to be “fair” to religion. From what I have seen, they are hell bent on taking religion out of our lives, while at the
        same time forcing sharia law on us.

        I believe the devil is at work in everything the state and federal government are up to.

        I am also hoping that more people are drawn to religion in order to
        pray for our country and get solace as our country and way of life are
        spinning out of control very rapidly.

        I also believe that lightning hitting the top of the vatican after the pope announced his resignation/retirement is a “sign”. A sign that evil is lurking, the devil is
        winning and we had better wake up. Just my opinion.

  • cabensg

    This is ridiculous unless it’s a religious run school. As far as I’m concerned this is just an opening for Islam.

  • FreeManWalking

    This would be great if it is taught as the word of GOD. I don’t think it would take long for a teacher to take passages and verses out of context to confuse the students and push that it is a bunch of misguided fables.

  • joyfulgiver

    Considering the fact that most schools currently teach other religions as “cultural experiences” anyway. There shouldn’t be a problem. But, there are schools which teach these classes as a process to indoctrinate, which is wrong. In CA we had a local school that was teaching Islam as a religious “cultures” class but put requirements on the students that basically took them through the process of how to become a muslim, also taught by a muslim teacher. We asked if we could invite a pastor to do the same type of teaching and were denied.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/ZVCGRG62NAGQXJ6ZNE4JCTVVTU Ray

    now let me get this strait. They can teach children deviant lifestyles that cause people to have shorter lifespans, that is ok. They can teach children that the government taking from one person to give it to another is good. They can teach children how to have sex even in grade school, that is progressive. But you had better not teach them from a book that teaches them to have character, to love their neighbor, to not lie, to wait till marriage to have sex or to treat others better.

  • Malkiel_kol_hakavod_la_el

    Being elective – this bill should pass… Some schools are allowing credits for attending Marxist – Socialist rally’s etc. or just for attending anything to do obama…

    And now some schools will be teaching sex ed in kindergarten… This countries schools having been teaching horse sh!t for far to long it’s about time for some elective balance!!!