By The Right Scoop


Michael Farris, Founder and Chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association, which is representing an evangelical Christian German family who are trying to get asylum in the US so they can homeschool their children, is concerned at the arguments being made by the US Justice Department in opposing this case.

The background is that Germany bans homeschooling and thus forces children to participate in their public school system. Because this is essentially a universal ban on everyone in Germany with only rare exemptions, the Justice Dept. argues that it is not discriminatory and therefore argues that it is not a violation of the fundamental rights of this family.

Farris argues that in most asylum cases, “there is some guesswork necessary to figure out the government’s true motive” behind the ‘oppressive law’. But in this case he says there is no guesswork needed:

“The Supreme Court of Germany declared that the purpose of the German ban on homeschooling was to ‘counteract the development of religious and philosophically motivated parallel societies.”

Farris says this is nothing more than totalitarianism dressed up in politically correct lingo:

“It is thought control. It is belief control. It is totalitarianism dressed up in politically correct lingo.”

Yet despite all of this, the US Justice Dept. under Holder is fighting this case on the grounds that if your host country bans something universally and equally enforces it, then there is no fundamental right to that ‘something’.

Watch the interview from CBN News with Michael Farris:

Fore much more info on this case, read Michael Farris’ writeup on this.

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  • LIBERTYUSA

    GERMANY 1930’s or 2013 ? USA 2013 or GERMANY 1930’s ? Is not TYRANNY GREAT ?

    N O T !”

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000679899592 John Bohler

    Yikes, i gotta finish highschool quick, least Obumer forces me back into the public school system. T_T

  • LIBERTYUSA

    …behavioural health assessments on children who are home schooled isn’t TYRANNY GREAT ?

    N O T !”

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    Germany hasn’t changed in over a 100 years…they just hide it better.

    • warpmine

      This travesty was an oversight by the United States during it’s occupation of Germany following the second WW. They sure as hell didn’t allow the Nazi party to exist but yet a good portion of those laws that were instituted remain. Japan was the same way,w e insisted a new constitution be drawn up that recognized individualism more than statism.

      This is the way all totalitarian states begin, the abolition of individual and parental rights. Look how bad our schools are now and watch them get worst on an exponential scale if the left gets their way.

      • 1endtimes2020

        That’s the main reason why the Obamas of the world want to ban gun ownership. When there’s resistance, they allow fewer bullets, and you can have the gun a little longer, until they figure out how to ration ammunition.
        It’s absolutely necessary to disarm the citizen. That tells me they expect to force a communist government on the western world. Nazis were socialists. Arabs are socialist minded, and allied themselves to the nazi fascists during WW2. Obama is a commie at heart, and an Islamist sympathizer. Does anyone need any more evidence than what we’ve seen so far? The only ones who don’t, only go for speeches, but don’t care what the state does, as long as it doesn’t take away from their pleasures. Any thoughts of God, is in last place.
        That being said, God knows better than anyone what is going on, and we know His Church will prevail.

        • pilgrimhere

          God doesn’t have a church. http://introtogod.org/ If you can handle facts and keep a rational mind, you’ll hate reading this and then you’ll love having read it.

  • Rshill7

    A below average recall of history would confirm that Hitler Youth were not educated in homeschools.

    A generation or two of homeschooled kids in this country gives me hope.

    How come you never hear about Holder doing anything you can agree with? Nevermind.

    I saw “Killing Lincoln” last night on NatGeo. It was quite good.

  • las1

    if your host country bans something universally and equally enforces it, then there is no fundamental right to that ‘something’.

    In light of this new development, I guess that backlog of Copts fleeing Egypt looking for asylum in America will suddenly just disappear. Since there is no fundamental right to their religion, or their lives in Egypt, then logically there is no fundamental right for them to apply as refugees in America.

    Makes sense to me. [sarc. now off]

    • deTocqueville1

      Well put.

  • las1

    Michael Farris: In this [Obama] environment it doesn’t look like there’s a whole lot of deportations going on.

    Except for white, blue eyed, West Europeans to be shipped off back to Germany. Count on it.

  • poljunkie

    O/T Gov Palin to speak at CPAC!!

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/283661-sarah-palin-to-address-cpac

    “We are pleased to again welcome Governor Sarah Palin to CPAC in March,” American Conservative Union (ACU) Chairman Al Cardenas said in a statement. “Governor Palin electrified the crowd in 2012 and we are thrilled to welcome her back this year.”

    The annual conference is a high-profile gathering of conservatives organized by the ACU.
    Among the other speakers who will be participating in this year’s event are House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Sens. Marco Rubio, (R-Fla.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) are also listed as speakers.

    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) will be a first-time speaker as well.

  • toongoon

    Doesn’t our country universally ban the governments ability to ban guns?

    Michael Farris is exactly right, the administration dresses everything up in politically correct lingo.

    The question is, when will the administration ban home schooling here? After gun confiscation? I’m really surprised that they haven’t tried to do it yet.

    • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

      toon,

      Most of the attacks on home schooling is more on the locale state levels. It will garnish their attention soon enough. But first, must make us armless dolts. Also, I think that there are a few in Congress that have been or are homeschooling making it a bit difficult.

      We shall see!

      • toongoon

        Righto Puritan,

        My guess is that there few in congress who send their kids to public school as well. They are so far removed from the citizens anymore in general that the only they even know how to represent is by whom gives them the most cash.

    • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

      toon,

      Most of the attacks on home schooling is more on the locale state levels. It will garnish their attention soon enough. But first, must make us armless dolts. Also, I think that there are a few in Congress that have been or are homeschooling making it a bit difficult.

      We shall see!

  • armyvet10

    The article says all that needs to be said. If the Government outlaws home schooling, then the government can control what is taught, and believed. We already know the public school systems are controlled by liberal thinking teachers, just look at the recent story of a principle who wanted to tutor only ethnic children. What does this teach our youth? Take Slavery as an example; many liberal teachers teach that Slavery was the only reason for the Civil War. But when you take a realistic and truthful look at this portion of history, you find a few reasons as to why we fought the Civil War. One was the fear of southern states succeeding form the nation. This scared the north greatly as the south had more wealth through its production of cotton and other commodities. There was also the fear of the U.S. Federal Government of losing its power over states that until then the Federal Government didn’t have. There are many reasons to distrust a federally ran school system, from sex education to the bill of rights, I do not trust a liberal federal government to teach the truth because the federal government never tells the truth.

    • deTocqueville1

      Exactly.

    • warpmine

      This is what the 1st Amendment was all about. Freedom to express ideas, debate them and act upon them. If the government has the monopoly then where’s the freedom? It’s vanquished and with it everything else under the sun.

    • AllantheK

      Also, a big part of the civil war was the bankers who wanted more control over our economy. Lincoln created the greenbacks to thwart their endeavors in that area but got rewarded with a bullet. Freeing the slaves was a minor add on. The divide between N and S was created by the bankers for one reason only, Control/Power. All the rest was DISTRACTION, sound familiar?

      • armyvet10

        My point exactly. The school systems only teach what the federal giverment (misspelled on purpose) wants them to teach. By re-writing history, more people will become the blind sheep the giverment wants them to be. Then the real shearing by the giverment will enable the giverment to become the takerment.

  • poljunkie

    O/T Gov Palin to speak at CPAC

    “We are pleased to again welcome Governor Sarah Palin to CPAC in March,” American Conservative Union (ACU) Chairman Al Cardenas said in a statement. “Governor Palin electrified the crowd in 2012 and we are thrilled to welcome her back this year.”

    The annual conference is a high-profile gathering of conservatives organized by the ACU.
    Among the other speakers who will be participating in this year’s event are House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). Sens. Marco Rubio, (R-Fla.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas) are also listed as speakers.

    Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) will be a first-time speaker.

    • poljunkie
    • HarrietHT2

      This is troubling news, indeed. Not so much Palin’s attendance, or Cruz’s, but Cantor, McConnell, and especially Bush, and to a lesser degree Rubio, are NOT conservatives. If these are who the ACU considers to be conservatives, then it is clear evidence that the GOP is populated with fuzzy-headed, ill-informed, mis-informed ignoramuses. And If I were Cruz, I would use the venue to separate myself, ideologically, from the other big-government, pseudo-conservative speakers.

      • deTocqueville1

        We must have this public debate. I think the news is good because our side will win on policy, logic and principle.

        • warpmine

          Speaking of debate, that is what’s needed there. A speech from McConnell, Bush and Cantor isn’t going to cut it. What’s desperately needed is a debate between moderates and conservatives. People need to see the lack luster vision of progressive GOP establishment vs the shining city on the hill version of liberty of conservatives.

      • poljunkie

        It looks like they were trying to appeal to a wide spectrum of Republicans. Not conservatives.

    • deTocqueville1

      Great news. She’ll rock the place again. With Cruz, Demint and some of the other speakers constitutional conservatism will be alive and well at the conference.

    • Betsey_Ross

      Hmmmmm. Bush, Cantor and McConnell aren’t Conservatives. Why are they speaking at CPAC? I know the question is rhetorical. Glad Sarah is going to speak. Maybe she can light some fires and get these Conservatives inspired to actually do something.

      • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

        It does make one wonder who are these members of CPAC that continue to allow moderates to have the microphone.

    • Betsey_Ross

      Hmmmmm. Bush, Cantor and McConnell aren’t Conservatives. Why are they speaking at CPAC? I know the question is rhetorical. Glad Sarah is going to speak. Maybe she can light some fires and get these Conservatives inspired to actually do something.

    • cabensg

      They can leave out McConnell, Cantor and Bush.

  • deeme

    It’s no accident the cases the Justice Department is looking at..Family, children, country , God, guns..they have to get U.S. under control…luckily more then half the acreage in this country is still owned by sound minds..You will have a fight on your hands..

  • HarrietHT2

    I’ve been following this case, too, and I can only say that the German’s court decision and Holder’s (Obama’s) agreement with it represent the clearest possible evidence that liberals will permit NO disagreement with their totalitarian ideology — when they hold the reins of power. I pray for the German family — you can see their photo, too, on HSLDA’s website; I pray for the HSLDA attorneys; we must all pray that the Holder justice dept. is checked in its efforts to quash our liberties. Otherwise, we face a VERY turbulent future.

  • sDee

    This law is not new. Hitler put it on the books in 1938.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/feb/24/schools.uk

    • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

      Good find and link! :-)

    • colliemum

      Heh – you took the words out of my keyboard – good thing I read the comments first, before putting finger to key!

      It is a little-known fact that many German Laws go back to the Third Reich. It is shameful that they are still on their statute books.

      • sDee

        Europeans to fascism, like moths to the flame.

    • toongoon

      Good link. Another Obama loves Hitler connection.

  • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

    I’m sure Holder looks at this two ways:

    1) darn! Those Germans have it right! Why can’t we ban all homeschooling! Then we could “educate” the children “to our way of thinking.”

    2)The family isn’t black, so he’s no interest in helping them – they’ll be deported.

    So long as we have Holder and NObama, there is no true justice!

    • poljunkie

      Good to see you Wolfie.

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        Thanks. :-) Nice to be back home here! :-)

    • colliemum

      Hi Wolfie – waves hands across the Bog Pond …

      Great to have you back!

      • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

        (waves back very enthusiastically!) HI Mom! Thank you! It’s Great to be back! :-)

        • colliemum

          How are your furry housemates?

          • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

            Thank you for asking! They are as they were! GREAT! How are your housewolves?

            • colliemum

              Asleep …. dinner was 90 minutes ago, so the sleep of digestion is most important right now …!

              • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                Furry people… The same worldwide! :-)

                • colliemum

                  Yep. They keep us well wrapped round their paws, make us do what they want: food, play, sleep …Mind – they give us back s much in love and devotion, and they never want the latest cell phone …

                • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                  They are furry angels in disguise! I’m convinced of it! They bring so much love and joy into our lives! How could they be otherwise! :-)

                • colliemum

                  Absolutely. And they read us like a book.
                  I’ll never forget my beloved Big Dog: he didn’t like me crying, so when I suppressed my tears, angling for my hankie – there he was, head on my knees, looking at me, consoling me.
                  When I made a sniffling sound because I had a cold and needed a hankie, he didn’t even twitch.
                  He heard the difference, even when he was right at the other end of the room. Gawd, I miss that dog …

                • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

                  You’ll meet him again in Heaven! :-)

                • colliemum

                  Yes, I am convinced of that. Meanwhile, he still walks on my left side when I look down, smiling, tail wafting – like on our last walk together. And all the other housewolves are waiting, too: we’ll cross the Rainbow bridge together.

                • colliemum

                  Yes, I am convinced of that. Meanwhile, he still walks on my left side when I look down, smiling, tail wafting – like on our last walk together. And all the other housewolves are waiting, too: we’ll cross the Rainbow bridge together.

    • tinlizzieowner

      When it comes to Holder, it’s spelled ‘Just-Us’.

  • sDee

    Hussien’s not a real big fan of Christians is he?

    In isalmic countries in turmoil (effectively all of them), muslims seeking asylum are accepted in US embassies. Christians seeking asylum are routed to the embassies of other islamic countries.

  • deTocqueville1

    The DOJ and Holder are a sad parody of Justice. Hey let’s legalize millions of illegals because it is only fair and makes us feel good but a conscientious Christian objecting to the universal state school system in Germany must be opposed with all of the might of the US Government, and at taxpayers expense of course. The system is rotten to the core.

  • keninil

    I know Germany allows “religious” private schools, like our parochial schools. I wonder if that includes Islamic madrassas?

  • Sober_Thinking

    It seems to me that people immigrate here for freedom and to get away from persecution or unbearable living conditions. So now… since the known criminal Holder has the keys to our front door (or close it)… suddenly our mantra:

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    …no longer means the same thing? I agree that asylum is different than legal immigration… but still… this seems to be a fine line with this corrupt regime.

    • AllantheK

      I read a history of that poem and it was not about liberty originally. It was someones’ inspiration upon seeing the statue, if my memory is recalling rightly. Some how liberty has been reduced to giving to the poor and those who won’t take care of themselves when it is in their power to do so. A hand up is charity. A handout is not liberty, it is a disgrace upon the sluggard.

      • Sober_Thinking

        Liberty is freedom… and I agree, the left has subjugated it for their own purposes.

  • abe-froman

    The brownshirts are marching ….. the STAT will educate your children – parents ned not apply.

  • Poncho4ever

    Not many making comments seem to be concerned about the obvious: If the Obama admin. wins this case, they have (in their minds) proven that all they have to do is pass a law (by executive order perhaps?) saying that homeschooling is banned, and then it is no longer a right here in the US. Kids not educated in public indoctrination centers (aka “schools”) won’t be allowed into colleges, won’t be eligible for jobs, etc. They will be seen as illegals (oh, the irony!) until and unless they complete the mandatory 13+ year brainwashing.

    • http://tinyurl.com/wwsotu Wolfie

      Let them try and pull such a stunt… It won’t end well… For them!

    • sDee

      Just one more reason why we will never register nor turn in our arms. What they are to protect is freedom itself.

      • tinlizzieowner

        Registered guns are confiscated guns and there’s plenty of historical precedent for that.

  • d00mie

    Wow, that’s just peachy. Now the Unions can use the precedent to push for banning home schooling in the US. I bet there will be studies done by left wing think tanks showing home schoolers are stupid or anti-social and violent. Then after a couple years of that, we’ll start seeing local and statewide bans, followed by court challenges,and the “need” for a federal ban. Within a decade.

    • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

      This is already happening on the state level with many court cases gone to state’s supreme courts. So far, homeschooling is safe and sound on these levels. The new tactic is trying to divert the 4th amendment with social workers “investigating” the slimmest of complaints of anything. Sadly, it is neighbors and family that call social services on homeschool families the most.

      The latest results have disproved the “stupid” and the “social” argument is so weak that it makes banning guns look like Samson. Unfortunately, we have more conservatives who are very worried about the “socialization” of our children that they rather keep sending their kids to public schools and continue the dumbing down of their kids than realize that they are being duped.

      • HarrietHT2

        The reason these parents succumb to the “socialization” argument is that they themselves are somewhat brainwashed by the constant drum-beat of liberal propaganda and not that well-informed as conservatives. And it’s hardly merely an acquiescence to a dumbed-down curriculum; it’s giving over the raising of your children to the state which at present exists to silence world views at odds with its secular humanism.

  • Kordane

    The only reason they don’t think it violates rights is because people have stupidly got it into their heads that the bill of rights are the only rights that exist. People totally and utterly ignore the declaration of independence, in which the unalienable individual rights to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” are articulated. It’s as if the US constitution abrogates the declaration of independence, in the view of most people.

    Is homeschooling a right? Yes, because it doesn’t involve an initiation of force against other individuals. It’s one of the countless (nigh infinite) rights that are implied by the unalienable individual rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The only actions that are off the table are those in which an individual initiates force against other individuals (thus violating their rights) – Everything else is on the table.

    If our unalienable individual rights were 100% protected, then we would have SOOOOO much more freedom. Probably around 99.9% of all laws would have to be abolished (except laws which prohibit actions that are an initiation of force against other individuals, such as murder, theft, fraud, etc). It’s really really sad that we don’t have the degree of freedom that the declaration of independence recognized us as having.

  • bjohnson55

    So according to Holder and by default Obama if a country universally bans the right to own a fire arm that is OK because it is a “universal” bam? How about the right to life, pursuit of happiness, right to move and live where you want and work where you want?? How about the right to worship how you want and then there is the right to free speech. All in the Constitution if I am not mistaken. BIG RED FLAG HERE FOLKS!!! We are in some trouble now.

  • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

    Deeply appreciate Michael Farris’ work and being a part of HSLDA. I would recommend to any homeschooling family to join this group or other similar groups that fight for parental rights.

    • Joachim14_1a

      Yes, as a homeschooling parent I also recommend other homeschoolers to join HSLDA – a super resource for support, information, encouragement,… And we need to support them as they are keeping an eye on legal issues and fighting legal fights for us. They are actually a good group for non-homeschoolers to support as well, though I know most of us have limited funds when it comes to supporting worthy causes…

  • JewGurl

    Communism begins……….. are people this friggin blind????? Oy Oy Oy!!!!

  • 57thunderbird

    Germany and many other Yourapeein countries have banned home schooling as past of the UNCRC(United Nations Conference on the rights of the Child.)They are trying to get the US to sign on as well.I have been active in the fight against this treaty for several years through my monetary contributions and letters to senators trying to get them to cosponsor a parental rights amendment.Write your senators about this issue or the US will be next.

  • Conniption Fitz

    Obama and his leftist crowd do not respect parental rights. They want the government to be the parents (parent 1 and parent 2, that is, not mother and father.) and the source of your rights (the ones they say you have.)

    Here is the revised 10 Commandments according to Obama:

    And lo, Barack Obama spoke all these words:

    I am the Lord your President, who brings you out of the land of bigotry and intolerance and into the 21st century. I do this not because I am a Democrat, and I would have all things relevant (and if you don’t like it, I shall use my Executive Order).

    1 You shall stop living by an outdated value system inappropriate for our times, and you shall not foist your unacceptable beliefs, by speaking of them, onto others, even where such beliefs are founded upon Scripture or otherwise historic definitions.

    2You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in the Republican or Tea parties, because this is unnecessary in my reconstituted America. You shall not bow down or worship these parties, because despite being in coalition, I, the Lord your President am a jealous President and will implement all such policies myself, punishing those who disagree, but showing love for a thousand days unto those who love me and keep my commandments.

    3 You shall not misuse the politically correct definition of intolerance and bullying, for the President and Supreme Court will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses or casts aspersions upon the new ideology.

    4 Remember the Sabbath day if you must, but you do not need to keep it holy, because the courts have now decided it is not a distinctive mark and requirement of the Christian faith. And besides which, we are today an inclusive society, which means that other religions are more holy than this outmoded relic of Western civilization.

    5Honor parent one and parent two, but do not utter the blasphemous words of father and mother, for that is to imply unacceptable discrimination and hatred; and if you do so you will not live long in the land the Lord your President is giving you, but will be fined and imprisoned for bigotry and intolerance and then cast into utter darkness.
    6 You shall not murder, unless it be the taking of death by state sponsored euthanasia of the old, the infirm, or otherwise useless; or the elective termination of unwanted children.

    7 You shall not commit adultery where it is with a person of the opposite sex, but for all other purposes this concept is no longer relevant, and you shall not inhibit or otherwise disapprove the sexual gratifications of others.

    8 You shall not steal or claim undue expenses; except for those situations where there exists adequate technical justification for so doing.

    9 You shall not acknowledge sexual differences except when politically correct to do so, because that is anathema to the State of reconstituted Britain, and you must accept the idea that to uphold biblical ideas and belief pertaining to sexual relationships and outmoded concepts of chastity is unacceptable to the new ideology.

    10 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, Ferrari, or latest version of his iphone. You shall not covet your neighbor’s partner of the opposite sex, or his ox or donkey. However, anything falling outside this exemption clause is, and will remain, okay.

    When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet coming out from the Capital building and saw the hot air spouting forth from the debating chambers, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have our Lord the President speak to us, lest we will die.”

    Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. The Lord our President has come to test you, so that the fear of the Government will be with you to keep you from sinning.”

    But the people were not reassured and remained at a distance, while Moses approached the thick darkness where the President was.”

    Adapted from: http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/2013/02/17/david-cameron-just-call-me-god-rewrites-the-10-commandments/

  • http://www.facebook.com/richard.drakos Richard Drakos

    Don’t let these guys go after homeschooling! It’s the only sensible option. The public school system is a freakin’ joke.

  • http://twitter.com/coralchristie coralchristie

    Tyranny…there….and here!!!

  • SineWaveII

    They should have just entered illegally, Obama would be welcoming them with open arms.

    • HarrietHT2

      They’re the wrong color and have the wrong religious affiliation; so no, even had they entered illegally he would be seeking their deportation. It’s not that he welcomes illegals so much as that he welcomes those whose presence here creates hardship for taxpayers and further erodes the proportion of white Americans — of European stock — in favor of browns and blacks. He is a racist, you know.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/G7GXTOXUKJB7K4YR5IWNUBWVHU Vonda

    I say BS if we are going to make people live by the rules of the “host country” whats the point of letting them come here come on people wake up!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GDJGRV2MMCB6P2ZYTUZW6BHFVA Richard

    Obama would do away with homeschooling and private schools(except for his daughters) if he could to allow the NEA to brainwash ALL children. The UNIONS favor COMMUNISM over capitalism. The only choices they want for us is the right to kill babies, smoke pot to destroy brains (makes it easier to wash), and freedom to express your sexuality anywhere, with anyone, and at anytime.