By Dan Cleary


This young man just learned more in 15 minutes than he ever did in school, and for an Occupier seemed pretty open-minded about what he was hearing from the former Soviet refugee who decided to engage him in a discussion. As Ed Morrissey points out, this guy may not have been completely convinced by the end, but anytime you can convince an Occupier to utter the words “Go Capitalism!” – even half-heartedly – that’s a definite sign of progress.

This also perfectly underscores the point Mark Levin has made a couple of times this week, which is that it would be a mistake to lump all young people in with the Occupiers, or even (in this case) to write off all Occupiers as hopeless drones. No doubt there are at least some future conservatives in the bunch, and hopefully many more than that. But they’ll never learn if nobody takes the time to try and reason with them.

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  • wodiej

    Apparently all conservatives don’t take Levin seriously especially when this very website had a thread up making fun of the OWS people. I support free speech but they are engaging in violence and impeding the rights of others to do so. They need boundaries and accountability. Making fun of them does not help the situation-it only further inflames it.

    I thought the hippies from the 60’s were very misled individuals too. Who in their right mind would engage in such irresponsible behavior like getting drunk and high constantly and having sex with only God knows who? The best thing that can be done is for the law to break up these groups whenever they are camping out and otherwise breaking the law and try to get them some real help.

    In any case, kudos to this young man for trying to reason w someone. Most of the time anyone who would engage in this kind of behavior have no reason so it is usually a futile activity to talk any sense to them. And it wouldn’t be the first time either.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Hmm …

      I think you raise a solid issue. But … were the 60’s really all just misled? I’m not so sure on that front. I think it’s probably something worthy of debate. I tend to think that — like today’s Occupiers — they tend to get issues too often combined with non-issues (at least, from as much as I’ve followed of their “movement” which ain’t much of one), and that clouds the judgment of so many young skulls. But those who were part of the mainstream in the 60’s kept pounding their drums, and folks like Ayres still do so today … so I’m not sure that they were all that misled.

      • MLCBLOG

        I was one of those 60’s hippies. Yes, some were misled and they were usually gone pretty early. Others were bent on as much destruction and “revolution” as they could manage. Not innocent dope-smoking hippies but leftist hard-core organizers and their followers. You had to be there to see it.

        People today seem to think, from the media’s portrayal, that it was all so fun and games. La la la. Not.

    • kong1967

      Screw the protestors. I will continue to make fun of them because they deserve it. One day many of them will realize how naive the were.

      Breaking up the group is a good idea when they get violent or are interfering with commerce or traffic. I would prefer they have a permit like the Tea Party is required to get, but as long as they are peaceful they have a right to protest (as long as the previous things I mentioned aren’t happening). But, they don’t have peaceful protests and there’s a lot of crime. Shoot bean bags at them and clear them out.

      You cannot give help to someone for having poor opinions and a distorted view of socialism and capitalism. They just have to grow up and learn on their own. Our liberal school system has failed them in a major way, and the left is dumbing them down to amass future useful idiots so they can install socialism without a fight.

      Our school system is a major factor in what’s going on today with how it fills our youths’ minds with a liberal utopia. We have got to address it, starting with eliminating the Department of Education and turning control back over to the states.

  • Sober_Thinking

    I thought “learning” is what their problem was. Learning their lesson. Learning that school is expensive. Learning there are no free rides…

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Sober, you’re spot on. Methinks these kids have confused ‘education’ with ‘learning’, and those are two very different activities. But, yeppers, all these clowns want is free free free.

  • teri_b

    The old Russian immigrant must be wondering how we could raise our kids to not understand how precious our freedom is.

    We need immigrants (legal) to remind us that our nation is still a beacon of hope for people all over the world.

    Except that Obama wants to make sure that we are NOT an exceptional nation. That’s fairness.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Amen to that, teri. How true.

    • tvlgds

      Kids today have no idea how this country was founded or all that we’ve gone through to preserve it. I think every school kid should have to hear from people like this Russian who KNOW what it’s like to live in these other countries under dictatorships and communism. I have a brother in law and several friends who escaped Castro’s Cuba. In my line of work I interact with a lot of people from a lot of different countries. Back in 98-99 within a day or two of each other, I had 1 from China and one from the former Yugoslavia tell me under the Clinton administration that this country was headed the same direction as what they left. I found it chilling then and things were nothing like they are now. I’m trying to find an escape route!

    • MLCBLOG

      No, he knows. The evil system destroys families, schools, children’s minds as part of their takeover.

  • Philo Beddoe

    That dumba$$ kid just got a 3,000 year lesson in history, and it didn’t sink in.

    • Is_Sense_Common

      But we can hope that it sparked a thinking-process that would have not taken place had this gentleman not taken the time. Often light-bulb moments take some time to sink in.

    • MLCBLOG

      It might. Give him a minute. It seemed to possibly be registering.

  • aPLWBinAK

    “If you are against Capitalism, what are you going to replace it with?” Brilliant question, I loved it. Being one who always tries to give credit where due, I do have to commend the young guy, who is a victim of our pathetic, modern education system, for at least taking the time to have a conversation with someone older and smarter than hiself. Hope he took something away from it….

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      This got asked very early on in something I watched somewhere online, and the thugs were equally unmoved by it. Methinks all these punks are looking for is quality swag in exchange for their signs.

      • Rightstuff1

        I think you will find they are looking to destroy the country. I wish it was just envy. But they want to destroy the country and its ideals. Can we agree on that?

        • Rightstuff1

          I shouldn’t have asked…forget it.

          • E. Lee Zimmerman

            Come to a debate with facts, and you’ll go far. Come to a debate looking for consensus, and you’ll always lose.

            • Rightstuff1

              What a snark !

              • E. Lee Zimmerman

                True, but one who knows how to spell.

                • Rightstuff1

                  Yawwwn – snark :-)

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          Aw, I’m not so sure that they want to destroy the country. I think they just want what they want.

          For example, I have this friend who worked for about twenty years in a call center environment where he was part of a union-shop … but, when he was eventually outsourced, everywhere he went to work subsequent he always found something to complain about over and over again. He truly believed in these new companies — in so much as he said he did — but he could never get past the fact that these new jobs weren’t giving him as many freebies and perks as his old union-shop did. That’s what I mean: I think these thugs just want hard working folks like you and me to pony up so they don’t have to.

          • Rightstuff1

            Too simplistic, not looking at the big picture. Focus on the big picture.

            • E. Lee Zimmerman

              FINALLY! I agree with you. You’re being far too simplistic.

              • Rightstuff1

                Snark

              • Rightstuff1

                little snark :-)

          • MLCBLOG

            They want to destroy the capitalist system. That is their stated goal. Mr. Ayers said it himself, I get up every day thinking What can I do to destroy capitalism?

            Facts.

            • E. Lee Zimmerman

              That’s Big Bill. Most of these punks don’t know their arse from the next person’s arse, as can be clearly demonstrated from any video of them trying to explain “their cause.” I’ve no doubt the folks who believe they’re at the top of the Occupy foodchain have some nefarious desires, but the average bloke toting a sign and crapping on police cars is looking for celebrity and free swag. Nothing else.

  • 12grace

    The protesters need to hit the books and find out what it really means to be socialist or communist or live under shari’a. The protesters have no idea about the horrors they are asking for…

    • Rightstuff1

      They have no clue whatsoever. I posted earlier. A friend of mine grew up in Poland in the 70’s and 80’s. He told me horror stories. This was Communism/Socialism in action. It detroyed the country and its people. As Margaret Thatchersaid “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money”.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        I had a college professor back in the 80’s who came from Poland. Ugh. I know what you mean.

      • 12grace

        My family came from a Communist country and felt so blessed to become citizens of precious, America. They would not accept hand-out’s and worked hard and have reaped the rewards of their hard work and effort ( until now).

        It is beyond frustrating trying to get Americans, especially young Americans, to understand the brutal Communist system of gov’t they are endorsing.

        Its a modern day version of the”Garden of Eden” and obama is the snake….

    • FreeManWalking

      They will be in for a rude awaking if their revolution was successful after the totalitarian dictator that comes out on top starts rounding up the protestors that are unhappy because the new leader isn’t following the supposed plan.

  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    Wow. I think is the 3rd or 4th time I’ve watched an Occupier get it handed to him. Now that’s what I call rightstuf, indeed!

  • marketcomp

    Another stupid simpleton.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Occupy is full of ‘em.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Donald-Arey-III/100001713622116 Donald Arey III

    It’s easy to laugh at some kid getting his ass verbally handed to him, but I think it’s counterproductive. I loved this video for two reasons. The kid seemed really shaken, and I doubt he will ever forget that particular conversation, even if it had not been recorded.

    Also, it was a brilliant take-down of every single leftist straw-man unlike any that I have ever seen by a man who actually experienced the leftist idea of “utopia”.

    I think the people who really need to see this (kids) are the most turned off by personal mockery. Who here didn’t feel the same way that kid did at some point in their life? When I was 17-20 years old, I thought I was the only sane man in a world run by idiots.

    I eventually realized I was wrong, repeatedly, when reality smacked me upside the head far more brutally than evidenced in this awesome video.

    • marketcomp

      It appears that the lesson had more value because it was coming from a native Russian! Maybe we need to get some natives of these totalitarian countries to explain to the youngsters what marxism, socialism, communism, and fascism are really about. I think he really changed because he seemed enlightened. His entire demeanor changed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1236140974 Kimberly Petrich

    I want to hug that old Russian dude! God Bless him!

  • teri_b

    These Russian immigrants stepped up to fill the void left by the parting of Andrew Breitbart.

    We need more people willing to engage in dialogue with any of these kids that will listen.

  • Is_Sense_Common

    Wow! Thanks so much for posting that Dan! This was an excellent example about being a cheerful Conservative. State your case without the venom and remain patient and good-humored. Logic eventually wins out. Wish I could do that.

    • freenca

      Me too, I get ticked if they won’t listen. The old Russian is one that these youngsters might listen to simply by virtue of having lived through and then escaped the systems that the kids have been told to embrace but not actually learned about. This was like watching a Chevy Volt being out-worked by a Ford F150. One works/one does not.

    • StandingGround

      I agree, ISC. It was actually a pleasant exchange between the immigrant and the kid. At least the kid tried to come up with some answers as to why he was there (many don’t have a clue) and he was respectful as he listened to reason. So many times the occupiers are rude and crude and would have never stood still for a real conversation. I believe there is hope for this kid by the way he responded.

      The immigrant left him with some good advice – ‘try to use common sense’. I think the seed was planted and hopefully a conservative will sprout up!

      • FreeManWalking

        SG you hit on a very salient observation about the kid… He was respectful and listened.

        That is the reason most can’t be reasoned with, because they show disrespect right off the bat to opposing views, and try to shout them down instead of have a conversation.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/FKWBSU2TJ2FAWPQEHUJKZQGVWM B

    why do all these idiots have a hankerchef around their neck

    • http://onthemark1.blogspot.com/ On The Mark

      Terrorism Chic

    • teri_b

      To catch their drool?

  • FutureOnePercent

    Most recent public school grads need re-programming. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes to reboot them, sometimes it takes 15 years…

    We have to help undo the damage done to them.

    To us, this stuff seems so obvious that it’s actually laughable that someone wouldn’t get it.

    All that said, I’ll be the first to admit I love smacking down an arrogant useful idiot.

    I don’t mind trying to lead people to the truth, but when they try to snub their nose like I’m some ignorant un-evolved redneck, that’s when I no longer care about bringing them to my side and instead just destroy them.

  • DebbyX

    That was great. One at a time!

    It’s a shame though that common sense is something you either have or you don’t. It cannot be taught. But the facts can be.

    Great post!

  • B-Funk

    This guy learned a lot? I learned a lot too! These are facts I know, but I haven’t been able to put them together like this. Awesome! I love this guy’s accent! It reminds me of my good buddy, who’s from Russia too. ^_^

  • http://onthemark1.blogspot.com/ On The Mark

    This Russian guy is awesome! He was so patient and gentle with this little mush-for-brains. And he was informed enough to destroy the kid’s delusions on a completely different subject when he defensively tried to change it. Truly masterful.

    It’s interesting that this kid was equally anti-capitalism and anti-Israel. These issues don’t seem to be related in any obvious way. But he’s probably been taught them both at whatever university he attends. He is most likely entirely unaware of the common thread in those two issues, which I believe is hatred for God.

  • daisy_mae

    God bless this man for teaching truth to this young man. Hopefully, prayerfully, these words didn’t fall on deaf ears.

  • Susanna958

    That kid got more of an education in 15 min. than in his whole 12 yrs of public school.

    • 3seven77

      Boy ain’t that the truth. The kid kept saying, “I never knew that” or “No one’s ever told me that”. All most of these kids have ever been taught is the far left version of events. They’ve never been told about the lives that have been snuffed out in the march toward “world utopia”.

  • Rightstuff1

    I loved this clip. The Russian lived through communism and what it meant day by day. These young OWS and old OWS people never did. They should look at what happened in Moscow just this week when crowds protested Putin. They were beaten and arrested. During Communism they would have disappeared forever. Period. Next!

    This guy used simple facts to explain salient points and it was clear that the young guy with whom he was speaking was at sea. You can only imagine what runs through his head.

    I have a friend who grew up in Poland in the 1970’s and 1980’s. He could give these kids stories. No clothes or shoes in the stores, bread lines, rationing of everything imaginable. Mail opened by the security forces, all telephones tapped.

    But they are not told this. They are fed a diet of meaningless garbage such as “true democracy” and when called upon to explain it they can’t except to mouth some platitude about giving land to everyone. Its just such a sad lack of joined up thinking.

    Its truly so hard to know where to start because there are millions of these folks who really in their hearts believe that capitalism is evil and socialism is the answer. In every country that has tried this evil creed it has failed miserably beyond words. It has imprisoned and impoverished, stamped on freedom and destroyed religion.

  • shukov

    “I’ve never heard of that”

  • StrangernFiction

    There is a glimmer of hope for this kid. He’s not completely brainwashed yet. Although he says he’s against capitalism, he also says “the Constitution is out the window right now” and he bemoans the fact that the number of laws continually expands.

    This kid could be brought to the light, but unfortunately he is seeking the truth in a sea of propaganda.

    • Marky_D

      Pretty much what I thought. Give him 10 years, tops, and he’s a conservative.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chris.null Chris Null

    I like this kid. He listened to common sense and seamed to come around. Plant the seeds and maybe they will grow.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hope-Change/100003209357261 Hope Change

      Chris Null, I agree. I like this young man. He had a conversation. He listened. He offered objections, but he listened when the Russian man talked. Good for this young man.

  • PJRodman

    This snowflakes dental work alone would make the Soviet dude want to punch him.

    • MLCBLOG

      Do I detect some extra anger there?

  • Truth2Freedom

    Our education system at work. I say Occupy a school seat…

    • http://www.facebook.com/chris.null Chris Null

      I like “Occupy yourself!”

    • Amy

      I consider myself so very blessed that my education was in private schools & home school. My parents & grandparents are like walking encyclopedia’s (my dad & grandfather are/were theologians as well) and they were determined to pass on their love of history and make sure we were aware of the evil that is in this world. It blows my mind that people are simply unaware of communism’s terrible reality. The progressives have definitely succeeded in rewriting history and in setting up our schools to be re-education camps.

    • 3seven77

      Occupy a PRIVATE school seat. Public school is where actual history classes take a back seat to basket weaving or sex education.

  • westernhunter

    Beside our schools I blame the left media who is very good at changing the meaning of words. It use to be everyone called us a Republic, then over the years it changed to democracy and lots of people don’t know the difference. We need to explain to kids the difference between a democracy and representative Republic.

  • illegalpointofview

    there is HOPE….. plant the seed !

  • http://twitter.com/cookingstormm JaeDee L.

    This is just the type of youths that could be converted. Some people are just so stuck in their way but, obviously, he has a teachable heart and just hangs out with the wrong crowd. All he needs are a lot more encounters such as this that would get him thinking and, of course, the grace of God that will open his eyes.

  • tvlgds

    This kid is so brainwashed I can hardly stand to listen to him. The Russian is doing a great job!

  • FreeManWalking

    This guy did a fantastic job of taking his time and trying to enlighten this young feller, and it almost seems as some of it might have taken root.

    I think and hope he will remember this or parts of it for the rest of his life as his touchstone moment to reality and logical reasoning instead of goose stepping with the crowd of morons.

  • KenInMontana

    At the very least, as the kid admitted, he learned something.

  • FreeManWalking

    This would make a great commercial of why we need schools that educate, not Government indoctrination centers the kids are being sent to now.

  • Terrenceor

    The bigger the Government, the smaller the citizen. The more control a Government tries to exert over it’s citizens, the more extreme the methods of control become.

    • 3seven77

      “The bigger the Government, the smaller the citizen.”

      That needs to be on bumper stickers. Stat!

      • Terrenceor

        That is a Dennis Prager saying, but you are right.

      • Is_Sense_Common

        you can make them at http://www.makestickers.com

        Cheap & easy. You’re right – that would make a great bumper sticker!

  • stage9

    WOW! This is why my heart breaks for these kids. They have been so lied to.

  • GreenBeretWay

    Excellant video.This man child needs to be dropped into some third world crap hole for a few months to respect the privileges of freedom he so readily takes for granted.Let him sit in a sand box smelling Camel crap and have a few rounds buzzing over his head.Let him eat crap food,sleep in dirt and miss his mama.This Russian gentleman may have had a profound impact.I certainly hope so,but sometimes actions speak louder.Bless this man for taking the time to educate the uneducated.

  • libertyandtyranny

    This kid is a product of a very mediocre education system. But we need to STOP blaming the left, and FIGHT BACK.

  • libertyandtyranny

    This really breaks my heart, to hear the liberal trash that has been drilled into him. AFter 15 minutes of facts, he seems completely different. It’s like we’ve seen the light go on in his eyes, his own free will to learn the truth, and not just repeat what he’s heard from the liberal marxists who run his public schools.

  • http://twitter.com/2012Lucy 2012Lucy

    this guy is fabulous

  • MLCBLOG

    We are all getting schooled here.

    Look who is down there talking and effectively changing the hearts and minds of the young people at OWS! those who know.

    We need to join them wherever whenever we can and have some influence by any honorable means we can.

  • kong1967

    The kid was very nice and receptive, but as soon as he tells his buddies about the conversation they will tell him it’s a bunch of lies and he will be right back on the OWS bandwagon. This is what we get from an education controlled by liberals. Anti-capitalism, pro-socialism, anti-wealth, and pro-big government. The solutions to our problems are very basic. Kick the damn liberals out of our schools and re-educate our kids. Not brainwash, but teach. Brainwashing is what we have already.

  • Colonel Neville

    Largely lonely, naive, ignorant, lazy, incurious and narcissistic children who don’t read and lack the power of inquiry and concentration are attracted to the lefts mob base.

    • actionsspeaklouder

      Exactly. Just the kind of people Obama panders to.

  • denbren52

    The kid wants a true democracy but he doesn’t vote. Gotta love it! I’m glad the kid admitted that he learned something.

  • Enoch73

    Living in Eastern Europe, this is the kind of thing I’ve been dying to see. So frustrating that mrctv doesn’t work for me here…
    IF THEY ONLY HAD TO LIVE IN WHAT THEY CLAIM THEY WANT! We’d see major repentance.

    • Enoch73

      mrctv is probably blocked here…

  • texasemc

    Dumb down the populace through the government run educational system and they are easy to manipulate and control. I think the video confirms that.

  • toria555

    I mostly agree with this guy except for Israel. I don’t think European Jews have a right to ethnically cleanse the Palestines just because the United Nations made a vote to create a Jewish State there. The land was not empty people had already been living there for thousands of years and to kill people that had been living their peacefully and had NOTHING to do with the holocaust is wrong. Israel is the aggressor against a people that are being ethnically cleanse and do not have weapons and it’s wrong, but yet the United States and the United Nations turn a blind eye. Tsk, tsk.

    • http://www.facebook.com/formosomj Michael Formoso

      The jews did not have a problem palestine, palestine had a problem with Israel existing. many christians and muslims live peacefully in Israel. and if palestine had taken statehood offered by the UN they would have their own country. and if they stop killing Israelies, then the Israelies will stop killing terrorist. the UN and the USA is turning a blind eye to the ethnic cleansing of the jews by palestine terrorist

  • http://www.davemacleod.net/ dmacleo

    interesting, advocates for democracy at, at 10:58 or so, admits he does not even vote.
    nice…

  • http://twitter.com/pizzacorner Pizzacorner

    So the bottom line is that Islam is the root of most evil on this planet, and always has been.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1304512023 Raymond Beitz

    People forget that History repeats itself, those that do not heed the warnings are doomed to repeat it. People should remember the failed policies of the former Soviet Republics, because if we’re asking for that we’re going down the wrong hole faster than this nation can recover. It was marked by short or no supplies of basic supplies like Bread and vegetables and meat. Long lines to get them accompanied by shortages because the government run farms could not produce any food.

  • Prince Blake

    When I pleaded to stop the bojinka plotters before 9/11, I was sent an email asking me to be a part of a terrorist group which I took directly to the police, explaining I was cooperating with authorities to STOP terrorism not participate in it. It’s sad that these young minds have been poisoned but one has to realize that the people poisoning their minds probably don’t drink any of the cool-aid their pushing. It’s all a game to them. It’s refreshing to hear the honest refugees attempt to insert some critical thinking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=16709983 Brent Dickerson

    Awesome…2 things, 1) this is why I love Eastern Europeans and wish we had more with this intellect and experience here in America, and 2) I am glad to see that this kid had the open-mindedness to sit and listen.