Open Thread: Teacher Put Herself Between ‘Kids and Gunman’s Bullets’

This is an open thread so I’d like to take care of a little business first.

I have had several complaints this week that some of you were getting “stack overflow” error messages. This happened if you were using Internet Explorer and I was able to verify the error myself. The error occurred as the result of upgrading to the latest version of WordPress.

Last night I downgraded back to the previous version so that should eliminate the error message from happening. So going forward you shouldn’t be getting the “stack overflow” error message any longer.


Also, as far as news on the shooting, I haven’t heard much in the way of new information. The cops believe they have a fair amount of evidence that may point to the ‘how’ and ‘why’ of the shooting but that hasn’t been released yet. The did confirm that the shooter forced his way into the school and was not buzzed in by someone. But they wouldn’t say how he forced his way in.

Below is a story from the Daily Mail on a teacher who put herself between the shooter and her students. It also details how the principal and school psychologist were killed.

DAILY MAIL – A young teacher displayed astonishing bravery and sacrificed her life saving as many children in her first grade class as she could after she came face-to-face with gunman Adam Lanza.

Victoria Soto, 27, had worked at Sandy Hook Elementary for five years. Her final moments were spent ushering her students into a closet when Lanza entered her classroom and she tried her best to shield the children from the evil gunman.

Soto was a highly regarded young teacher who was popular with her pupils. One young student, Jacob Riley, told Mailonline that Soto was known for chewing gum in class – something not usually allowed for teachers. He said he had often teased her about her habit and she had playfully teased him back.

‘She took her kids, put them in the closet and by doing so she lost her life protecting those little ones,’ Soto’s cousin, Jim Wiltsie, told ABC News.

‘She was found huddled over her children, her students, doing instinctively what she knew was the right thing. I’m just proud that Vicki had the instincts to protect her kids from harm,’ he continued.

‘It brings peace to know that Vicki was doing what she loved, protecting the children and in our eyes she’s a hero,’ he added.

A deeply distraught 10-year-old boy who is a former student of Miss Soto described her as ‘really nice and funny.’

When Lanza started firing at the school in suburban Newtown, Connecticut, some teachers dove under tables – but Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach didn’t hesitate.

They ran into the hallway to confront the danger and were murdered execution-style as a result.

Little did she know that Adam had already killed his mother at the home they shared nearby. He took three of her guns and used her car to drive to the school.

Diane Day, a school therapist, told the Wall Street Journal that she and several other teachers were in a meeting with Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach when the shooting began.

‘We were there for about five minutes chatting and we heard, “pop pop pop,”‘ she said. ‘I went under the table.’

The principal and the school psychologist had other ideas. They jumped out of their seats and ran toward the sound of the gunfire.

‘They didn’t think twice about confronting or seeing what was going on,’ Ms Day said.

Rabbi Shaul Praver told MSNBC that Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach were killed execution-style.

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  • colliemum

    The Daily Telegraph also reported on the three teachers who were killed:

    Twitchy has more on the admirable, beautiful Vicki Soto who gave her life for the children:

    In all the horror and heartbreak, the example of these women shows that love is there even in the darkest places, and that love is stronger than death – always.

    • JeffWRidge

      Well said.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      amen collie!

  • JeffWRidge

    There were some brave and selfless heroes in that school that day. Unarmed, they still tried to protect innocent children from a monster. May all the heroes and children rest in peace, and may their families eventually know peace.

  • Well, here’s a whole new batch of tears again.
    God Bless this beautiful hero.

    Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    God bless them all.

    • Haywoodjbl

      Me too….I am so sad that these families will forever be changed and the horrible grief that all must feel out there…Heck I am crying here and didn’t know a soul….

  • wodiej

    What a horrible result of Free Will God has given humans and how often it is abused. Many hearts are crying and grieving for a senseless tragedy that no doubt involved a childhood and or mental disease from neglect and a lack of love for the shooter growing up. Asking God to watch over the victims, friends and families doesn’t seem enough but that is all we can give them.

    Parent’s pay attention. Eat dinner w your kids each night. Limit their time on the internet, cell phones, video games and Ipods. Do family activities together and don’t allow unhealthy TV viewing habits. Be more concerned about the heart of your kids instead of the kinds of clothes they wear. Kids live what they learn. What are you teaching them by your example?

    • badbadlibs

      Well said. Every word the truth.

  • Haywoodjbl

    Here in Arizona all schools have full time uniformed armed local police on site all day long. Every school could cut back one administrator and they could all do the same thing.
    Mandatory gun classes for all teachers and part of their uniform is to have a concealed weapon.

    THAT would stop this BS

    • wodiej

      I agree. This happens far too often when it shouldn’t happen at all.

    • Orangeone

      I would rather see armed police or preferably retired armed National Guard at every school than to risk progressive liberal union thug teachers with guns for fear of how they would respond if a student or parent disagreed. Too many examples of teachers bullying students lately.

      • RighteousCrow_JustCaws

        Actually, it might make better ‘men’ of them.

        [Added:] My democrat brother-in-law has converted via discovery of guns.

        • Orangeone

          It will just take one to pop a student or parent and we’ll have more trouble than we do today.  We have the ability to hire our vets & protect students with trained experts.  Win/Win

          • colliemum

            I think this is the best solution – and it would have the advantage of getting at least one male person in authority into schools, which might help the boys who only see females all day long.

            • Orangeone

              collimum, I didn’t think about the role model component.  It would also expose our children to the fantastic role the military plays in a free country!

              • colliemum

                It makes sense, doesn’t it.
                I’ve posted this on the other thread as well. The more I think about it, the less do I like the idea of teachers having guns in their bags, and the more do I like the idea of having properly trained vets providing security.
                Heck, they could even teach gun security to interested students!

                • Orangeone

                  What I don’t understand is why there aren’t panic buttons behind class like the fire alarms.  We have panic buttons in banks. Teachers could have a panic button around their neck so at least alarms can go off in the school and the classroom doors shut (maybe manually lock).  I keep thinking of apartment buildings that have the auto doors in hallways that shut when the fire alarms are triggered.

                • colliemum

                  These are common sense precautions, and they may well become necessary when only criminals will have guns.
                  Until then, the left prefers to disarm citizens any which way.

                  Meanwhile, the corrupt MSM do not even mention the daily shootings on the streets of Chicago, where guns are outlawed, and ammunition is taxed – as if criminals went into shops and paid their due rather than steal …

                • Orangeone

                  And the MSM was silent on the 2 14 year old black kids that shot the young white mom dead in PA the other day because she wouldn’t give them a cigarette.  Why did they have a loaded gun????? And they have been released to their parent(s).

                • colliemum

                  Ah – see, these kids were black, so shooting a white woman is their culture, innit, and one can’t say anything because that would be racist.

                  This is exactly what the POS, what Holder and what the dems want: illegal guns in the hands of black criminals, who kill each other and kill whites, but no guns for whites who must not be enabled to actually defend themselves, like Mr Zimmerman.

                  That white mom should’ve had armed security guards, like Piers Morgan, then it wouldn’t have happened …


                • Orangeone

                  Agreed.  And her little girl doesn’t understand where mommy is while those 2 boys went home so they can do it all over again.  No screaming for gun control then.

    • Mandatory gun classes and the 10 Commandments back on the walls.

      • HarrietHT2

        Despicably, the Dept. of Education, ACLU, and atheists all promote a worldview that says there is no right and wrong, that a child’s peers’ values rather than his parents’ values should weigh more heavily in his mind as a basis for guiding his life, and that there are no absolutes by which to find the “good.” Is it any wonder, given this postmodern ethos and the trash that has become our mass culture, that young people are confused, lost, and angry, and yes, murderous.

        The culture is going to rot, and this terrible event is a symptom, a result of the deeper rot. The Ten Commandments is a curb against such insane evil; but no, atheists can’t be bothered to face the destruction their ideas have wreaked upon our nation by their extreme Christophobia. Instead, they will be in the forefront of demands for tighter gun laws, thereby increasing, not decreasing violence. The last thing this nation needs at this point in her history (as she swims in a cultural cesspool) is to have a populace disarmed in the face of the despotic tendencies of our central government and the heinous deeds concocted by solitary killers.

        • Very well said!!

          • HarrietHT2

            You might appreciate this also, abic; it’s on a t-shirt and is making the rounds online today:

            Dear God,
            Why do you allow so much violence in our schools?
            signed: a concerned student

            Dear Concerned Student,
            I am not allowed in schools.

            • I do love that one Harriet. Saw it on facebook earlier today and on twitter. Sums it up perfectly doesn’t it. 🙁

    • badbadlibs

      I wish they could eliminate a politician of some sort instead of an administrator.

      • crosshr

        ouch , well, I may wish that too !lol

    • Orangeone

      I’m afraid it would provide access to a lot more guns by young people. Let’s say this gunman was a senior in high school. Loaded guns are throughout the school in the possession of teachers who are supposed to focus on teaching. Gunman grabs teacher’s gun and kills students. Parents sue the school because teachers have guns. Arguments against 2nd amendment still occur. Kids are still dead. What could go wrong here?

      • Haywoodjbl

        You are probably right…well then armed current or former police officers would have to suffice.

        The law of unintended consequences at work with teachers carrying

        • Orangeone

          We have had armed retired law enforcement in our high schools for over 30 years.  We have a huge # of National Guard returning and unemployed.  Another benefit is that many voting areas are in schools.  They can oversee Photo ID and deter voter fraud too 🙂
          This is such a minimal cost with such maximum reward.  Trained and focused on security, not snapping gum, poor handwriting, students that don’t speak English, etc.

    • BlueGood

      OMG…such a pretty Girl, an Angel Innocent who gave herself to protect Innocents…LOOK at those BRIGHT EYES….that SMILE….Surely Miss. Soto will walk with Jesus for ever more….DAMN the Evil….

  • Conservative_Utopia

    I read somewhere that the gunman broke and entered thru a window.

    Heard a comment on Hannity that there are a multitude of disabled/retired military and law enforcement who could serve as armed guards at local schools. Sounds like a win/win to me.

    • Orangeone

      We have had armed off-duty law enforcement at our high school for over 30 years.

  • Nukeman60

    It’s obvious, inspite of what Obama would want, that had these people been armed, the killer may well have been stopped early, with only a minimal loss of life. To confront an armed assailant with nothing but your wits means they could have affected a different outcome with a weapon of their own.

    These teachers are natural heroes. We lose far too many just like them and they’re hard to replace.

    • Conservator1

      Excellent point; especially now that those on the left are using this horrific tragedy to call for striker gun laws on semi-automatic weapons. The killer did use two semi-automatic hand guns – a Glock, and the other a SIG Sauer.

      Yet, the Glock magazines holds only 10 to 33 bullets (as far as I know, only in Ohio is it legal to sell the 33 round magazine). Since the reports indicate well over 100 rounds were fired, there was definitely time for an armed security officer to have confronted Adam Lanza and perhaps saved many lives. After all, he had to reload a number of times prior to killing himself.

      With regards to the courage of Victoria Soto who heroically put herself in harms way to save the children she taught while sacrificing her own life, represents the best of humanity in a selfless act usually reserved for those in the military and law enforcement.

      • Orangeone

        Armed retired National Guard would have been alerted and on the hunt for the gunman, trained to take him down without other casualties. God help us if teachers start carrying guns.

      • Don

        We will never know if security could have saved lives as the Obama adminstration had allowed the funds for security for the school to lapse and left the school defenseless. You will only find this on the Drudge Report as the mainstream media will definitely cover that up as they prepare their attack on millions of innocent gunowners to lose their gun rights.

        • badbadlibs

          Just when I think bo and his henchmen can’t do any more damage.

  • tinker_thinker

    The sadness is unbearable, the courage and love this woman showed rips the heart. God Bless them all. God (please) Bless all of us.

    • Don

      I totally agree tinker_thinker. The saddness of such courage and love being extinquished by such evil is unbearable. I have had the honor of leading combat infantrymen in battle in two foreign countries. The horror of combat has been up close and personal, but when I see lives being ended in such an evil way, it still brings me to my knees to know it happens to the innocent. It is truly unbearable.

      • tinker_thinker

        Thank you for your service, Don! And Bless you!

        My husband said something similar…he’s a VN Vet. He said one can prepare(mentally) for warfare but not this kind of killing. We’ve both been saddened beyond words, thank you for your comment!

  • Cindy09

    What an amazing person!! May her rest in God’s loving arms!

  • She is hero along with the psychologist and principal. Pure and simple. They are a spark of light in a dark world. Unfortunately, despite what the politicians will tell you, we can’t stop all bad things from happening.

    The demagoguery by the politicians and the media makes me want to vomit. Of course they are going to go crazy without ever looking at the very climate they created that made this ripe for happening. If they get their way we have more of this, not less.

  • Joe

    Lot’s of sadness here

    What a tragedy on so many levels

  • stang289

    Just think if the psychologist and principal would have had a weapon how many would be saved ? RIP 🙁

    • Orangeone

      They would still be dead and the gunman would have had more loaded weapons. They are not trained to take down armed individuals. That’s a job for law enforcement and the military.

      • victim promoting bullshit

        • Orangeone

          We have a code of conduct on this site.  You might check it out before continuing to post profanity.

          • deal with it.
            you push the wait for others and become a victim crap I will call it exactly what it is.

            • Orangeone

              When did I ever say wait for others?  Why don’t you read the posts.  Keep up the insults and I’ll flag you for moderator review.

      • stang289

        How did that work out for the victims of this crime ? Thats the dumbest statement Iv ever heard . Must be the cat typing ?

        • Orangeone

          Gun Free Zone. How did that work about for the victims?

          • stang289

            If you watch the other video youll see it didnt because the victims are the only ones who couldnt carry a gun in a Gun Free Zone . by the time the police respond its all over . but I will let it rest . Sad so sad 🙁

      • and having gone through the military training (MOUT) I can tell you the military is not trained to do this stuff, and they should not be.
        urban assault is NOT a life saving action for others its to save the life of soldier and take out combatants.
        the military is NOT your police force.

        • Orangeone

          Are you one of Barky Boy’s new brown shirts????

          • wow.
            an idiot jumped a shark here.
            meanwhile sit back and hope others will protect you, me and mine will be safe.

      • DCGere

        Right, because when seconds count, the police are minutes away. There’s a reason I’ve had professional training on how to use my weapons and practice as much as possible at the gun range. How’s that law enforcement working for the citizens of San Bernardino?

        • Orangeone

          What is it with people on this thread today.  have you learned to read or are you a practicing liberal?  I will say this for the final time.  Armed retired law enforcement and armed retired vets at every school.  Does that spell it out for ya????

          • DCGere

            Thank you for clarifying. Excuse me for not reading all your comments and responding to the one as you stated. I’ll know better next time…

            • Orangeone

              Sorry, became a bit frustrated with people not reading the conversation and leaping to conclusions.

      • If you could ask them at the moment the shooting was taking place whether they would want a gun or not, what would their reply be?

        • Rshill7

          Yes please, and I wish I could have shot the spawn of Abaddon before he moved another muscle.

  • bjohnson55

    How I wish Vicki had a Glock strapped on so she could have stopped this evil in its tracks. I pray may God receive this brave gentle soul into his arms and may her family, friends and surviving students find comfort in you Lord.

  • badbadlibs

    I could barely read this article. What a selfless, brave, dedicated woman.
    My DIL teaches fourth grade this year after having taught k-2 for several years, this year she stands in for the principle.
    I don’t want her to ever be a hero. I’m sorry if that sounds awful. But, I want her to always come home to her husband and son and the rest of us who adore her.

  • syvyn11

    May Ms. Soto find herself with the loving gaze of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for the rest of days.

    This is my Person of the Year.

  • crosshr

    I admire her courage and act of bravery, the manner of her action I may politicize it this way, so fearless and selfless she was in these moments of this tragic event, If someone with a gun were close by and toss that gun to her, I don’t doubt she’ll end the shooter even if she’ll still got shot at right there

    The things many women can do some men like our politicians still waste numerous hours with no decision and minds never mane up.

    Lord bless her dearest soul, bless all women, bless their unquestionable decisive ability and help us all to learn from this brave Ms. Soto

    • Orangeone

      Pepper spray and mace would have helped and it’s easy to shoot!

      • no its not. ever train against it?
        it does nothing to many people including me.
        and how is letting an armed and firing person getting within range of the spray going to help you?
        heres a clue.
        it won’t.

        • Orangeone

          Welcome super hero! Perhaps it’s time for another deployment.

          • try not to be an idiot if possible.

        • Conniption Fitz

          Wasp spray has a longer range, 10-30 feet. It will debilitate and blind an attacker if you hit them in the face.

          • yup, the nerve toxin messes people up

      • crosshr

        true O, still a bullet travels with high velocity and accuracy in most times, unavoidable.

        pepper spray and anything far better than nothing I think

        • Orangeone

          Yes bullets travel fast but a gun in the wrong hand is friendly fire waiting to happen.  My NRA instructor said pepper spray / mace is a better alternative in a lot of situations and my private instructor concurs.  I carry it with me always.

          • Nukeman60

            Less chance of lawsuits as well. That’s one major problem for conceal-carry that we have to deal with if we need to actually use our weapon.

            • Orangeone

              Here too Nuke.  My NRA instructor went into MN’s laws thoroughly.  This liberal land has lawyers trolling for lawsuits.  We are only permitted to use inside of our home or workplace (only if we own the company).  We will be arrested if we defend a neighbor in their home or on their property.
              I always carry my pepper spray / mace !

              • Nukeman60

                I have a philosophy, if you have to shoot an intruder – shoot and then grab them by the collar (so they fall inward). If they fall outside your home, they’ll be after you bigtime. I’m thinking the mace isn’t a bad idea for anybody, with the court costs and lawsuits with actual live-fire.

                • Orangeone

                  I had coffee with a conservative attorney friend.  She had great advice.  If the perp is leaving yell out to them and shoot when they turn around 🙂  And now you’d added the great ending, yank their butt back inside if they fall out….

    • badbadlibs

      Well said. It’s also lovely to hear a man extol the virtues of women. Jesus was like that too!

      • crosshr

        sincerely yours sis.

  • remember police are NOT required to save your life.
    far too many people push the wait for others meme.
    this woman was going to die no matter what, she chose to die protecting others.
    she deserves to be praised.
    its about time citizens themselves started protecting their kids.
    if a school does not like a parent doing what is needed to protect their kids…to bad.

  • Army_Pilot1967

    God bless Ms. Soto for her actions and bravery. It seems that good people often die young and not of their own doing. If the shooter was so miserable that he didn’t want to live, he should have just killed himself and left everyone else alone. Surely there’s a special place in hell for him.

    Rest in peace, Ms. Soto.

  • DCGere

    Prayers for the brave souls that tried to help the children. Just heart wrenching…

  • jleinf

    God bless this brave American that stepped up and did what most Americans would do in this situation. A true hero/leader unlike the “tearful” zero in charge.

  • Everything you hope your children’s teachers would be, and more.


  • vonveezil

    Americans, always running towards the danger, not away from it. These 6 teachers were heroes. They lost their lives trying to protect the children. God house has many rooms and I’m pretty sure class is still in session , just its up in heaven now.

  • Freedomswatch

    God bless this sweet angel. May her family find comfort. This hero is in Gods arms tonight and many children are safe with their parents because of her sacrifice. Bless you Victoria Soto.

  • tinker_thinker

    Thank you for your service, Don! And Bless you!

    My husband said something similar…he’s a VN Vet. He said one can prepare(mentally) for warfare but not this kind of killing. We’ve both been saddened beyond words, thank you for your comment!

  • Here is a two part report that I think most here would really like.

  • Pyrran

    Running to the sound of the guns.
    My idea of what heroes do.

  • loriannringold

    She is an ANGEL!!!!!!!!1

  • Biggbear52

    This little lady is a hero and now with father above. I pray for her family and thank her for doing the Christian thing.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    These teachers and administrators who confronted the gunman and who did what they could to protect the chidlren are heroes in my book also!


      Too bad the Principal didn’t have a concealed carry weapon. *sigh*

      • Conservative_Hippie

        If they had an armed security guard that would have at least been a start! This is whole schools are gun free zones should not apply to staff!

  • Leftists say: “Kill your parents”….. Modern education in USA.
    Here is what your children are listening to:

    Eftos Kill Your Parents – Lyrics

    Active Nihilism – Kill your parents
    Make them pay – Hate and destroy
    Silencing the void – Pleasure revenge
    Wipe them out, Bastards get what they deserve!
    Nihilist supreme – Erasing

    It is no killing – Useless corpse
    Out of the Nothing – No feedback from anyone

  • So we can not arm our teachers so let get a dog at school I have one that this devil’s throat would of been a sack for her. One fire from his gun would of been action for her to rip his throat out. A well train dog would do the trick.

    • Rshill7

      Sure it would. A Devil Dog or two would work too.

  • Moose_Hunter

    Teachers and school staff are trained to deal with all kinds of emergencies save one. They conduct fire drills, flood, earthquake, hurricane and tornado drills, and, over the years, these drills have saved the lives of many children (and adults). But NOOO FREAKING WAY are teachers and school staff allowed to train, equip, and prepare themselves to deal with human violence. If Victoria had been so prepared, this could well have had a different ending. The spineless, bleeding heart, goody goody liberals and their elected cretins have all this blood on their hands. I hope their sleep is filled with nightmares.

  • white531

    I’m taking a chance with the benevolence of the Moderators, but this is a double post. Reason I am doing it, is because both these threads are getting old, and I want you all to read this. Posted already on the Detective thread.

    You won’t believe this.

    Obama administration let school security funds lapse…

    (Washington Guardian) – Beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings.

    The town of Newtown, Conn., in fact, took advantage of one of these programs in 2000 when it got $125,000 in funds from the COPS in Schools program, Justice Department records show.

    Rest of the story is here:

    It is heartbreaking and mind-numbingly stupid.

    • This is what happens when the feds are allowed to steal our money and then give it back when they feel like it, and for what they decide. This is also a reality of having a central bank, and a central government. The money they spend doesn’t come from taxes, and schools should be under state and local funding and jurisdiction.

      People need to start pulling their children from the schools and protest the DOE and Federal Reserve system.

  • kong1967

    This is just too sad to even talk about.

  • MiketheMarine

    Another True Guardian Angel who’s already earned her wings.