Panetta on Afghan massacre: Death penalty is consideration for guilty soldier

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They are still not releasing the identity of the soldier who committed the massacre in Afghanistan, however more details are leaking out. But the one thing that caught my attention most about this article is at the bottom:

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta suggested that the death penalty is under consideration as a possible punishment for the massacre

While I’m certainly a proponent of the death penalty, I don’t think I could support it in this case. I mean it’s war over there and this soldier had served several deployments and was about to start another. I’ve no idea how that affects a person, especially when they may not want to be there anymore. And it does kinda sound like he may have snapped.

I’m not defending his actions at all and he should be severely punished for them. But to suggest the death penalty, considering all that happens to a soldier at war, seems to me to be more about appeasement than about punishing the soldier. And I say that considering this administration’s tendency to appease our enemies.

DAILY MAIL – The U.S. soldier held in connection to a heinous shooting rampage that claimed the lives of 16 Afghans over the weekend – including nine children – may have been drunk as he fired.

The soldier, who has not yet been identified, is also believed to have been plagued by various stresses stemming from his deployment, his marriage, and the fact that he had seen a friend’s leg blown off the day before the massacre.

A high-ranking U.S. official told The New York Times Thursday: ‘When it all comes out, it will be a combination of stress, alcohol and domestic issues – he just snapped’.

He is being represented by John Henry Browne, a lawyer whose resume includes defending notorious serial killer Ted Bundy and Colton Harris-Moore, the ‘Barefoot Bandit’.

Mr Browne said Thursday: ‘We have been informed that at this small base that he was at, somebody was gravely injured the day before the alleged incident – gravely injured, and that affected all of the soldiers’.

Mr Browne said he knew little of the facts of the shooting, but disputed reports that a combination of alcohol, stress and domestic issues caused him to snap.

He said the family said they were unaware of any drinking problem, and described the couple’s marriage as ‘fabulous’.

But he did say that the soldier had previously been injured twice, and he and his family thought he was done fighting.

Mr Browne added: ‘He wasn’t thrilled about going on another deployment. He was told he wasn’t going back, and then he was told he was going.’

He told reporters that he’s met with the wife and other family members of the 38-year-old staff sergeant.

‘They were totally shocked,’ he said. ‘He’s never said anything antagonistic about Muslims. He’s in general very mild-mannered.’

The suspect was flown out of Afghanistan on Wednesday evening to what officials describe as a pretrial confinement facility in Kuwait.

He has served three tours in Iraq and began his first deployment to Afghanistan in December.

The soldier asked to be represented by Mr Browne when he was taken into custody, the lawyer said.

Browne said he’s spoken with the soldier, but did not discuss the substance of the allegations.

He said the soldier had no prior events in his Army dossier indicating misbehaviour.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta suggested that the death penalty is under consideration as a possible punishment for the massacre.

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  • StNikao

    There is some doubt whether the Obama administration is telling the truth about this incident (and others). Family members of the victims say there was more than one shooter. Karzai says surveillance tapes are not being given to investigators. Neither side is known for its veracity.LINK

    • sDee

      Even when these treasonous bastards tell the truth, it is only to wrap a lie.

      • Sober_Thinking

        Spot on… said accurately and in the proper way.

    • keyesforpres

      I still think it was some muslims that dressed up like our soldiers.

      • Sober_Thinking

        I suspect that also.

      • edwardlee

        It’s easy to suspect almost anything b/c it’s very clear that information is being without and selective info is being leaked.

    • NYGino

      There is doubt about anything that comes out of this administration.

  • sDee

    Meanwhile over at Gitmo we build soccer fields for murderous islamists and put their defense attorney into the #3 spot at the DOJ.

    • Sober_Thinking

      The song “Mad World” is rolling around in my head…

  • wodiej

    I’m not advocating what he did either but if we’re going to throw the death penalty at him, then all of those Gitmo people deserve it too as well as the nut who shot up the Army base yelling muslim crap. Furthermore, no one should be deployed in a war zone several times whether they want to be or not. One stint is psychological chaos anyway.

    We need to just get the hell out of there. Let them fight their own battles. If the Afghani people want freedom, then they can fight for it like the US did. How many Americans shed blood so we could be free?

    • Sober_Thinking

      Excellent response. I agree 100%!

    • Hasan is up for the death penalty.

      • edwardlee

        Good to know. He should be.

    • edwardlee

      I couldn’t agree more with your sentiments of “let’s get out of there.” Leave Karzai to the renewed Taliban. I’m perfectly ok with that.

  • teri_b

    I’ve seen reports that he was suffering from PTSD and traumatic brain injury (which can change your personality). Add that to the locals and Afghan soldiers turning on Americans over the burning of Korans that were defaced by Muslims, and our president apologizing all over the place for our soldiers, and yeah, he snapped.

    • PChandler

      Actually that soldier, the day before, saw a fellow guy getting his legs blown off when he stepped on a mine, something like this: liveleak . com /view?i=910_1297110576

      That’s what set him off.

      • Sober_Thinking

        After three tours, being tapped for a fourth, seeing his friend killed/wounded, seeing or hearing about Afghani’s killing American soldiers, possibly being wounded himself, knowing maobama has contempt for the military and bows to enemies, plus the daily threat for death and battles he must be exposed to… he’s been through quite a lot.

      • teri_b

        Add to that (and what I said above) the ridiculous rules of engagement he must have encountered during his four tours that probably left him feeling like a sitting duck.

        Partly illustrated by the soldier that was shot in the back of the head by the Afghan soldier he was supposedly fighting with.

    • edwardlee

      That’s what I’ve heard, too. It’s precisely b/c of this constant trickle of unsubstantiated information that I think we need to suppress this rush to judgment. Let’s release ALL of the info, and then we’ll have something to talk about.

      • MiketheMarine

        Young man, that is another point we agree on.

        • edwardlee

          FYI: I ain’t all that young.

          • MiketheMarine

            Duly noted.

            • Conservative_Hippie

              Mike I don’t care if you call me young man, it’s been a while since I’ve been called that, LOL!

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Good point!

  • MiketheMarine

    Keep screwing with troops and veterans, Panetta. I am sure it won’t be hazardous to your health. And it was a good thing you took all those weapons away from the Marines when you visited Afghanistan, wasn’t it? No one had a weapon to stop that hajji from trying to light your azz on fire.

    • sDee

      I often wonder what protects a man like Panetta…..and who or what he serves.

      • edwardlee

        The abuse of power is what protects a man like Panetta.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Foolish, pathetic buraucrats.

    • 1vote

      Our Soldiers should never have been subjected to this occupy strategy. About two weeks after invading Iraq, I remember beginning to hear the phrase “hearts and minds”. At this point my stomach began to turn over, fearing the outcome might become what it is. I have too much respect and love for our military. Soldiers deserve an in (like a tsunami) and out (like a light) strategy, if it is at all possible.
      They should not be asked to win hearts and minds – it is just not proper to require that from a warrior.

      • MiketheMarine

        Right on. To put an historical spin on it. I am a southerner and do not look fondly on General Sherman for his march through the south BUT that is exactly how you fight and win a war as fast and as cheaply as possible. If you must go to war then kill everyone and destroy everything until your enemy no longer has the stomache for fighting ever again. Plus, we don’t pay to rebuild our enemies. That is part of the deterent against attacking us. We will destroy you and leave you in the 5th century.

        That is why we are having trouble in the middle east. Those idiots have never left the 5th century.

        • StandingGround

          Absolutely. Would you take Panetta’s job, please!

          • MiketheMarine

            In a New York second.

      • edwardlee

        Precisely. Soldiers are not trained to win hearts and minds. They’re trained to kill people and break things. Strategies of appeasement — throughout history — have NEVER worked within a properly functioning military.

        • MiketheMarine

          And killing enemies and breaking things is so much fun.

      • teri_b

        Exactly. Our military needs to be a killing machine, aimed at our enemies. They are NOT the Peace Corps.

  • teri_b

    When they wouldn’t release his name, last week my first thought was that he must be a Muslim (like Hassan). But now I don’t think so. Sounds like too many tours of duty.

  • las1

    Here’s what the real headlines should be in the coming weeks:

    Liberals Support Death Penalty

    In the words of wonderful Pamela Geller… “Shocka! I know.”

  • ultrasilent

    If he had killed those people in the US would “I was under a lot of stress” still count as an excuse?

  • Been_There_BT

    Three tours of duty in a war zone:

    Did he not save more people than he harmed?

    Who are those that live in the comfort of his protection, without any personal sacrifice, to decide whether he should live or die?

  • Sandra123456

    When is Pannetta having the Fort Hood mass murderer executed?

    Oh….never mind, the murderer there was a Muslim. So sorry. Move along.

    • keyesforpres

      Good point.

    • His trial starts in June. If he is found guilty, he will be executed when his trial is over.

      • edwardlee

        IF that’s the sentence.

  • Barney_Paul_Fife

    What about the Fort Hood terrorist Hassan? Shouldn’t he be executed before we address a punshment for this man?

  • W.

    The plot thickens – Iraq lets Iran fly arms to Syria despite US protests:

    Any doubt how much good the US did in Iraq?

    Any doubt that Israel will not be permitted to attack Iran via Iraqi air space?

  • NYGino

    When Panetta was ‘protected’ from our own troops by having them disarm in his presence this sent a huge message both to Afghanistan and our troops.

    Another example of the stupidity coming out of Washington and it’s total ignorance of possible unintended consequences.

    • virginiagentleman1

      DAMN well said, Gino! When a SecDef doesn’t trust his own Marines with a loaded weapon, he knows in his heart that he is guilty of betraying them and is mortally afraid that they know it too!

      • MiketheMarine

        If any of those guys wanted to do him harm, they wouldn’t need a rifle. Patently ridiculous.

        • virginiagentleman1

          Indeed it is Marine. If those warriors had wanted his scalp, nothing would have stopped them from taking it. Nothing!
          The Corps is full of examples of Marine Warriors storming armed implacements, barehanded!
          As you know, these aren’t stories of Marine Corps legend, these are true examples of Marine warriors that have become Legendary!
          Yep, if they had wanted Panetta’s scalp………………….

          • MiketheMarine

            Correct, Sir. As you well know, troops win medals when someone witnesses valor but it happens all the time, I dare say daily but if someone doesn’t see it it didn’t happe, right?

            • NYGino

              Unless you’re John Kerry.

              • virginiagentleman1

                Go and wash your mouth out right now! Use strong soap! Geeeez, mentioning Kerry in the same discussion as true American hero’s is almost unbearable!
                Seriously, Gino, I understand your point but I wanted to tease you a little bit! VG

                • NYGino

                  Sometimes contrast enhances the point. ( I was going to use Zest but seeing as tomorrow is St. Patrick’s Day I used Irish Spring)

                • virginiagentleman1


              • MiketheMarine

                Excellent point. I am not a big fan of JFK, but, unlike Kerry, JFK was a true blue, no joke hero of the first order.

            • virginiagentleman1

              This valor happens everyday, and WE know it, Mike! That is what is important, WE, Americas current and former warriors know it!

              • MiketheMarine

                Yep, that is exactly what I mean when I type that I served with giants and heroes. I’ve seen acts by very young men that would boggle the average mind and make people wonder what and why they do what they do. There is no greater sight than a young American warrior who believes so strongly in his convictions that he will eagerly sacrifice himself for his brothers, his country, his family. No one need notice he did it as that isn’t why he did it. Giants among men and heroes, every one of them.

  • Is the death penalty under consideration for the muslim who shot our soldiers at Ft. Hood? Has anyone apologized for that incident of “work place violence”?

    I’ve said it before and I’ll always say it. Unless Panetta, Clinton, or any other government armchair general has been through what our troops go through, they have no right to say what the punishment is.

    • “Is the death penalty under consideration for the muslim who shot our soldiers at Ft. Hood?”


      • MiketheMarine

        How about for the afghani who shot the Marine in the head at his guard post last week? The answer is no, he was turned over to the afghan gov’t.

        • tvlgds

          And probably given an award!

  • PChandler

    What the soldier did is totally ok, someone burned a bible in that village, so his actions are perfectly justifiable. Those Afghans and the families of the deceased should apologize for burning those holy and sacred scriptures.

    Remember, Qisas!.

    • MiketheMarine

      The double standard is absolutely disgusting, isn’t it?

  • TPDanbo

    We should grab a terrorist and cut out his tongue and dress him in our uniform and hand him over!

    • PChandler

      I loled, good one!.

  • virginiagentleman1

    We do not know what the true cimcumstances surrouding this matter are. Much has been speculated, mostly by the Afgans and the liberal press. The liberal adminstration has put the death penalty on the table for this warrior.
    For those who have never been to war, let me first say that war itself is an insane action. When you are in a place where it is nearly impossible to tell friend from foe, where the religion practised is a cult of death worship, where tribal loyalties supercede national ( and rational ) loyalties and whose people have been at war with each other since the beginning of time, what exactly is the mission? What is the reason for our sons, daughters, and in my case, grandson, to still be there? For what purpose are they dying? A Jeffersonian Republic that could never ‘take’ ? Stopping the soviets? Democracy in a land that doesn’t understand any other concept besides eternal warfare?

    From most honest accounts, we have a 38 year old American soldier, a husband and a father, a man considered to be a soldiers soldier, who goes on a killing spree, returns to base and surrenders himself to his superiors. This man was on his 4th extended tour of duty. A warrior who under the rules of engagement, was barely allowed to defend himself and his men.
    He knew of the Koran burning. He knew that supposedly trustworthy Afgans that he and others helped train to defend their own nation, suddenly turned on Americans and executed them. He knew that the warriors alledgedly responsible for the burning were arrested and shipped out of theater to stand ‘trial’, a SHOW trial for the muslims and radical islamists. This is justice?
    I do not and will never condone the murder of innocents.
    Did the staff sargent snap? Was it done in cold blood? Was it a political statement? We do not know the answer.
    Neither do we know what this admin is up to in Afganistan.
    We DO KNOW that Obama and his administration WILL sacrifice our Warriors upon the alter of Political Correctness.
    My heart breaks for this soldier (and I wonder what combination of pressures could have pushed him to do this horrible deed), his family and the other soldiers who must deal with this fiasco. Bring our Warriors home!
    Let the natives kill each other off. It’s what they know best. They’ve been killing each other for thousands of years. Let them finish the job.

    • Constance

      Well put.

    • edwardlee

      Perfect and precise. Thanks for writing it.

    • Well said my gentleman. And thank your grandson for his service.

  • DavidRobertson

    Death Penalty? really? I tell you what Panetta..since you are so intent on making an example of this guy, then why not just turn him over to Karzai and let them handle it. Moron.

    I’m not excusing this soldier’s actions, but this is a clear diplomatic cave in to a Taliban supporting, Anti-American, propped up leader who is a drug dealing, terror supporting, despot.

    Not to mention the message of clear weak leadership, no confidence, and poor support of the troops.

    This should be handled by the military. There should be no leaks to the news on just how the leadership handles this guy’s sentence until they work him through their trial process.

  • PChandler

    The soldier, the day before, saw a fellow guy getting his legs blown off when he stepped on a mine, something like this: liveleak . com /view?i=910_1297110576

    That’s why he snapped.

    • edwardlee

      You’re making my point perfectly (thanks) … there seems to be a constant drip drip drip of info regarding this soldier and his possible state of mind. Until we know more about these events, why on God’s Earth would we be speaking so openly about the possibility of the death penalty UNLESS it were for political expediency?

  • anneinarkansas

    The man will be punished but he should not receive the death penalty….many people are responsible for the poor man being there in the first place.
    And I am still enraged at our solders being disarmed for Panetta in order to be fair to the Afghans….a sorry mess over there.
    Bring them all home to protect our own borders.
    The Middle Ages can not be eradicated by our soldiers.

  • Nukeman60

    His lawyer said that he knew little of the facts of the shooting, but yet a high ranking US official is talking to the NY Times. Hmmm. Sounds like they’re trying to set the stage to justify some type of appeasement.

    I don’t condone the soldiers actions, but in cases like this, it’s usually a mind that snapped and they don’t kill someone who went off the deep end. The left would normally say he needs therapy and years of government aide, but not here. Panetta wants the death penalty. Perhaps he will suggest a decent beheading to satisfy our enemies.

    No wonder they disarm our troops when he’s in country.

    • edwardlee

      OUch! Burn!

    • Trust1TG

      This soldier’s family was NOT aware of any emotional/mental problems. His marriage was fine. There is something fishy about this whole case, just as the NATO – Pakistani and the Osama Bin Laden incidents were fishy.

      There were lots of discrepancies and unproven statements in all of these.

      The AP reports there may have been more than one shooter and the US is impeding the investigation, refusing to release certain security videotapes.

      • Nukeman60

        You bring up some interesting points.

        I don’t want to sound too conspiratorial here, but I don’t trust this administration on anything they do.

        It’s quite possible that this soldier, who has been left nameless so far, was killed in country, the situation was staged by operatives, our government will say he was executed, without showing the trial, and it will be cause for us to leave Afganistan.

        This would be a grand feather in Obama’s cap, saving face with the enemy all the while gaining political points for the November election. Coup-de-gras, ala Chicago style.

        • NYGino

          Something like osama bin laden’s body being dumped into the ocean?

  • Patriot077

    There is more to this soldier’s story than we are told. As ABC stated, until the Ft Hood jihadi is given the death penalty it is far too early to speak of it for this soldier who has not even been tried yet.

    In the meantime, we are releasing top level Gitmo terrorists to the Taliban.

    • edwardlee

      It would seem that there’s much, much more, if we only look to the constant trickle (of leaked info) coming out of the mainstream press. Someone’s putting info out, and the only issue I have with any of it is there’s no way for us to know what’s possibly true or false.

  • Sober_Thinking

    I was serving at a forward operating base in both the Honduras (when Nicaragua invaded) and Saudi Arabia (during Desert Storm) for extended periods of time. While in those environments, there is a continual tension with the attacks and drills and guard duty, it wears you down pretty quickly, even though you’ve been trained for it. And what I did was a fraction as stressful and dangerous as what our brave military endures over in those hell holes. Many of my close friends have gone over to Bagdad and Afghanistan more than once.

    The death penalty may be (I’m not sure) considered in accordance with military law (the UCMJ) for something of this magnitude but to believe they’d actually “go there” – frankly, to even suggest it is pathetic. What the soldier did was very wrong and he deserves punishment. But I have no doubt that maobama, who has shown no love for our nation or our military, would turn this into a show trial. And Holder would pave the way.

    To say this sickens me is an understatement.

    • edwardlee

      I stand with you in your sickness of it.

  • Sober_Thinking

    Well, he serves a devil and probably had to sell his soul to get where he is now.

  • “I’ve no idea how that affects a person, especially when they may not want to be there anymore. And it does kinda sound like he may have snapped.”

    I’m against the death penalty period, and so I don’t want to see it applied, but playing devil’s advocate, this is a really weak argument.

    The guy killed 16 civilians, 9 of them children. “At one point he paused in his shooting spree, which is described as “methodical” and “from home to home,” to pile 11 bodies, four of them of girls no more than five years old, and set them on fire.”

    If they want to claim diminished capacity, fine, and if they can prove it, then he should be treated accordingly. But if they can’t – provided testimonies like the above are true – he should be punished to whatever the full extent of the law is. I don’t care if he “snapped” or not, we have tens of thousands of soldiers in Afghanistan all being subjected to the same stresses. They don’t all go around killing 16 women and children.

    If nothing else, this whole thing should make us rethink our strategy of waging endless land wars in the middle east – but this man should be punished. If nothing else, he should sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life.

    If a shell shocked soldier came home and mowed down 16 people, we’d all be out for blood.

    • edwardlee

      I don’t believe anyone here is advocating a position of no punishment. I think what everyone IS advocating is “give us the facts.” When a high government official takes to the airwaves advocating the death of one of our soldiers along with the open admission that we’re not willing to release all of the facts, that tells me that the official should be impeached. I understand the politics of the situation — that Panetta was trying to send a message to the Afghan people and not necessarily the American people — but this “strategy of appeasement” is precisely why you have scads and scads of Americans taking the position that this Odministration has got to go. Panetta and those like him put our soldier in the position he now finds himself up to a certain point; that’s the only truth we can establish in this whole affair without a doubt. Until we know more, then we shouldn’t rush to judge ANY other position.

      • I don’t think he’s advocating the death of one of our soldiers, I think he’s just saying that this might be tried as a death penalty case. Which should be obvious anyways.

        I really think you’re reading too much into to this statement.

    • Trust1TG

      How is the Major Hasan – Ft. Benning any less horrific? – He assaulted his own (supposedly) comrades.

      Being a Muslim and a ‘gay’ should preclude military/security service. These mindsets skew their priorities and loyalties and compromise their ability to reason.

      • edwardlee

        You’re right. I personally think what Major Hassan did was more horrific given the circumstances. It really ain’t even apples and oranges, in my book.

        Yes, it’s still a tragedy what happened to these Afghan people. Of course, it is. Please don’t think that I believe anything less.

        But Hassan CLEARLY was acting out of ideology, and, on that point alone, he deserves whatever comes to him assuming it ever does.

      • When did I mention Maj. Hasan at all in my response? Last I checked, that guy is up for the death penalty. I’m opposed to the death penalty for him too, but I’m fully supportive of him getting punished to the full extent of the law. He opened fire on innocent people, I have no inclination to show him any sort of mercy.

        I also fail to see how being gay has anything to do with this argument at all.

      • KenInMontana

        Major Hasan’s killing spree took place at Fort Hood, Texas, Fort Benning is in Georgia.

    • I’m not trying to make a legal argument. I’m simply admitting that I, having never been a soldier, have no idea what goes on over there on a day in/out basis. But given what others have said coming back from the battlefield, it sounds like a pretty difficult environment.

      I was simply making the case that my tendency is to not support it in this case.

      Also, I never even remotely suggested he shouldn’t be punished, even severely.

    • MiketheMarine

      I am curious how you would react if your best friend had been blown to smithereens right in front of you yesterday. Think you might make some very bad decisions today? Might crack?

      • Maybe, but that doesn’t exempt me from the law. And that really doesn’t excuse me killing 16 people.

        If my child died in my arms, does that mean I can go kill someone the next day?

        Hell, if someone killed your child, and you go and kill that person, you still go to jail.

        • MiketheMarine

          Maybe? If you were in a place where you hung out with about 20 people and those 20 people were the only people within 1000 square miles NOT trying to kill you does change the equation.

          • No.

            There is no situation in which killing 16 civilians is okay.

            That doesn’t mean I can’t sympathize with that extreme distress that might have led to a senseless act like this one having been committed, but that doesn’t excuse the action itself.

            • MiketheMarine

              No , you can’t sympathize. I am not insulting you when I say that if you haven’t been in a situation like that there is no way someone can wrap their mind around what it is like. You are starving, sleep deprived (and I mean months in a row where you might get a couple hours sleep a night), physically destroyed, numb to normal human emotions and angry. Very, Very angry all of the time.

              With all due respect, there is no way you can comprehend what are troops are enduring without the actual combat portion.

  • Trust1TG

    BREAKING – Fox News reports Iran is supplying Syria with weapons, etc:

  • 12grace

    Some links about Panetta

    Leon Panetta’s Communist Ties

    Secretary of Defense Nominee Panetta Linked to Communist Party

    Panetta Hearing for SecDef on Thursday: Obama’s CIA Director Linked to Spies Through Communist Party Figure

    Panetta Report 4: Leon Panetta’s Communist Friend and the Chinese Spy

    Panetta Report 2: Leon Panetta Paid Tribute to Pro-Communist Peace Activist
    New Zeal Shining The Torch for Liberty ^ | June 16, 2011 | Trevor Loudon

    Barack Hussein Obama, protégé of Frank Marshall Davis and Bill Ayers, isn’t the only member of the current misadministration with communist ties. Look what Accuracy in Media has learned about current CIA director and Secretary of Defense nominee Leon Panetta:

    The evidence shows that Panetta had a close and personal relationship with a member of the Communist Party by the name of Hugh DeLacy, whose record included meeting with communist espionage agents.

    Leon Panetta Obama’s CIA Director Linked to Communist Spies

    Leon Panetta: Is He A Sneak Communist?

    Is the Panetta Scandal the Next Alger Hiss Case?

    Leon Panetta praises identified Communist Party

    Leon Panetta: High Security Risk? Communist Sympathizer?

    Communist Panetta tells Israel, ‘Reach out to Palestinians’

    Leon Panetta and the Institute for Policy Studies

    Obama Syndicate’s Panetta: Congress is no longer relevant governmental body

    Leon Panetta cites UN & NATO, not Congress,
    as ‘legal basis’ for military action–nato-not-congressas-legal-basis-for-military-action.html

    Newt Gingrich calls for the resignation of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

    Secretary of Defense/former CIA Director backed MLPA Initiative

    • virginiagentleman1

      WOW Grace, you’ve been busy! lol
      For some reason you remind me of a teacher I once had, so very long ago, that loved to pile research upon us, rather than mundane homework! I’ll bet you are somehow related, my friend!
      Thanks for the links, Grace. VG

      • 12grace

        I am honored that I remind you of a teacher that left such a favorable impression on you. smile.

        My thoughts about research and facts.

        It seems to me that as the insanity increases in America, it is vital that we ( all who oppose leftist agenda) gather reliable facts to support our position on issues.

        Further, we must be able to draw on the facts quickly and sometimes condense the facts when presenting them to others. And we have to be ever cognizant of the way in which we present the facts to others.

        Example: A young person may be impressed with the horrors of the economy if they can’t get a job. Show them the jobs report before obama got into office and now. Show that young person, the legislation obama has installed and explain what it has done to the economy….yes, this is the reason, you can’t get a job….

        Educating ourselves and others on the issues, is powerful.

        I understand that the liberal mind set is hard if not impossible to break through even with facts at our disposal but we have better odds if we use this approach.

        Also, an educated population is less likely to be taken in by dictators, so pass on our knowledge to our family, friends and others whenever, possible.

        Thanks again for your kindness,v.

    • I’ve told you before about this. Please do not use comments this way. It is not a link farm.

      • 12grace

        Is your comment directed at me, RS?

  • Freedomswatch

    This soldier needs a fair trial, not a trial in the media. Obama needs a scape goat to appease the terrorists in Afghanistan and the Left wing. He began by apologizing for the Koran burnings and didn’t support our troops when they were shot in retaliation for the Koran burning. Obama and Panetta do not care about our military at all. The One cares about his own re-election. There should be no trial at all before the presidential election and no information leaks. The administration is “leaking” information to control the narrative and help Obamas poll numbers. The Obamacrat party has nothing but disdain for the military. They are the Hippie Pacifists of the sixties, who hate America. Considering the car incident surrounding Panettas “secret last-minute” visit, making our soldiers disarm before being forced to listen to Panetta is unforgiveable. The Afghans seem to know what is planned before our troops do. What if one of our Afghan “friends” had managed to get a weapon in there? Our soldiers would have been helpless to defend themselves.

  • 911Infidel

    The death penalty? And this from a puke that’s afraid of the military. Would killing that soldier make you feel better Pinheadah? Certainly your Dhimi puppetmaster would like the idea. He can brag about it to his pope in Saudi.

    I want a battery of tests done on this GI, including evaluations for traumatic brain injury and PTSD before any decision is made to put him up for a court-martial.

    Oh and just an aside, how is it that Sec Pinhead is so eager to kill one of our own, while schmucks like Khalid Shiek Muhamed continue to breathe? Huh Leon?

  • Jaynie59

    What I find interesting is that news outlets never have any problem identifying and naming suspects even without an official release from law enforcement agencies. I remember stories where reporters have called hostage takers on the phone while the stand off is still going on. We know his age, how many kids he has, and what base he was deployed from.

    How come no enterprising reporter has found out his name yet? Hmmmm. Maybe they have and don’t want to report it?

    • MiketheMarine

      Do you understand Operational Security? IF we were to publish his name then his family would be at risk of attack from muslims here. How would you feel if your son or daughter were over there and their name is published in the paper along with where he is from. Next thing YOU know, some random, muslims cruising your street and eyeballing YOU.

      • Jaynie59

        Who’s “we”? I’m talking about the media. So-called journalists. You think they care? Of course they don’t. The New York Times alone has published enough to be tried for treason. They don’t care about the safety of anybody.

        My guess is that his name is not Smith or Jones. How much you wanna bet there’s a Mohammed or Hussein or something close to that? If the media is really holding his name for the safety of his family it would be the first time they ever did anything decent.

        • MiketheMarine

          That “We” is the royal we. Anyone in America. And you do need to know that our enemies do troll on websites like these and military sites just looking for the kind of info we are talking about. There is a reason Seal Team 6 was pissed about the media attention they got because it puts their families in danger.

          • NYGino

            It soon put them in mortal danger.

    • Sandra123456

      Maybe they don’t want to report it because he is black and/or a Muslim.

  • JungleCogs

    Wait! What if the guy is black? Wouldn’t that be RAAACIST?!!

  • johnos2112

    But the guy at Fort Hood is being held in a comfortable location awaiting his time to be put in jail? This is complete BS folks!

    • KenInMontana

      Likely he is being held in the Stockade, if Army Stockades are anything like Marine Corps Brigs, “a comfortable location” would not be the first descriptor that would spring to mind.

  • welovetruth

    Look at that a liberal government for the death penalty?………..


  • KenInMontana

    A couple of items here.
    1. Under the UCMJ, Article 118, Murder is punishable by death, in cases of proven premeditation, the death penalty has been “on the books” since the UCMJ was written, the minimum is Life with the possibility of parole, again IF it is proven to be premeditated. So the statement that the death penalty is “on the table” is in fact, accurate.

    2. Article 118 covers all “unlawful” killings from murder to manslaughter, and as far as I have been able to find, the soldier accused in this has yet to be formally charged. Once the investigation is completed, he will be charged and the possible range of punishment if he is found guilty will be known.

    The absence of facts has given rise to rumor and speculation, in the media and on the blogs, some of the “theories” I have seen here has caused me to pinch myself, then check the address bar to make sure I haven’t accidentally ended up at “prison planet”, some of the theories are over the top and off the wall, get a grip people. Do not fall for the uninformed rumor mongering and desperate speculative positing of a media in full panic mode to get a story. The Military investigative services are notoriously tight lipped and feel no obligation or urgency, to feed the circling sharks of the msm.

    I don’t know if anyone else caught this from the videos of the demonstrations in Afghanistan in relation to this incident, but I did. The presence of the familiar green banners and headbands of Hezbollah and its surrogate Islamic Jihad, sprinkled liberally throughout the crowds. Let’s not give in to the uninformed blather of the talking heads of the media machine, for myself I am perfectly content to wait for the findings of the Military Investigators, I have more faith in the Military Justice system at this point than our civilian system.

    • MiketheMarine

      On your bullet number 2, I believe this soldier will first stand before an article 14 board, which is equivolent to a grand jury to determine if there is a substantial enough case against him to justify charges and a court marshal.

      • KenInMontana

        Likely so. The Military is methodical if nothing else, so it is likely to be a long while before we hear of anything of substance.

        • MiketheMarine

          Ken, what is that picture you are using as an avatar. It is the same picture as Jaynie59, whom I rarely agree with but I almost always agree with you. Time to change avatars, Brother.

          • KenInMontana

            It’s a pic of Andrew Breitbart, the caption reads “Breitbart is here”.

            • MiketheMarine

              Gotcha, so Jaynie should change her pic.

  • publius1969

    I wonder what barry and his crew said to the press about the murdering jihadist filth, hasan? wasn’t that a “work-related incident?” these imbeciles need to shut up and not make stupid comments…there isa a huge gap between a death penalty and proving “premedation.” Unless of course you are a progressive, then you conclude without analyzing the facts, the the military is at fault…geesh!

  • I have to disagree with RS. The guy murdered 16 human beings. I understand stressfull occupations and being in the middle of a war, but the guy is a professional soldier, he knew what he was signing for. And if he didn’t, ignorance is no excuse. He has shamed himself, the USMC, and his country. If he is guilty, and it seems to me he is, he should hang.

    • publius1969

      determination of guilt without fact finding is a dangerous thing. There are many factors that can negate pre-meditation.

      • I’m not the man’s judge, I believe in due process. I’m just saying that a man who callously and drunkenly killed 16 people should die for punishment as a matter of principle. If there is more to this, and that is likely, then he will have his day in court and he’s got a good defense lawyer. On the other hand, to be fair, if he is guilty of the charges that the state has levied against him, then he should die. The fact that he is military should not shield him or any soldier from the death penalty.

        • tvlgds

          Do traumatic brain injuries and 4 deployments count in your world?

          • He was medically cleared for deployment. I can’t speak for brain trauma, but I know you can taken off the deployment list for bad teeth when I was serving.

            • tvlgds

              That doesn’t mean squat! “They” can’t SEE his brain injury. He may have been “medically” cleared, but not psychologically. I had my fill of military (AF)doctors and vets give their patients better care.

              • I’m just saying, the docs looked him over, said he was good to go. What other measuring stick is there to go by? They got shrinks in the military, and they’re just as eager to dope you up as civilian doctors. Where exactly is the line that makes it ok to go house to house shooting women and children? Just as a future reference, I’d like to know. The 16 dead bodies would too. My big question is did this guy really act on his own, or is he just a patsy for an even larger DoD screw-up.

                • tvlgds

                  Please show me where I said it was ok to go house to house shooting women and children. NEVER said it, never thought it.

                • publius1969

                  tvlgds, i guess the presumption of innocence doesn’t apply…I believe there were factors beyond this man’s control that triggered this tragedy. like I said before, let’ not jump to conclusions. let’s see how the facts play out.

                • Where was this whole presumption of innocence with Hassan? or Sandusky? or with the Giffords shooter? The guy went out in the middle of the night killed 16 people and then turned himself in. There is no presumption of innocence. By his own actions he admits to it, why else would he turn himself in?

                • publius1969

                  the presumption of innocence extends to the the initial charge of PREMEDITATED MURDER…that is a high standard. hassan is presumed innocent. the administration has done everything possible to obscure what this man professed to be his reason for killing: JIHAD…he even shouted the jihadi mantra “alahu akbar” while he perpetrated the killings. the investigation on hassan revealed a coherent and persistent dedicatio to his jihad. who knows what his defense will through at the wall. regardless, the court system will have to play out. As for the other cases, I have not followed them but they have to be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the charges brought against them.

                • tvlgds

                  Doesn’t seem to be. I agree with factors beyond this man’s control. 🙂

                • You didn’t say it, but your argument implies it. Or at least you imply that head trauma is a mitigating circumstance. So if I hit my head getting outta my car, go to the mall and casually murder 10 people, I should only get 7-10 in the state pen, right?

                • tvlgds

                  Since you choose to be an obtuse liberal, I choose not to pay any attention to you anymore. Your argument is ridiculous. If you hit your head getting out of your car maybe it will knock some sense into you.

                • d00mie

                  I’m pro-death penalty, and that makes me liberal? I’m just trying to follow your argument, so that makes me obtuse. I find it a little hypocritical that everybody rushes to his defense just because the victims are Afghans. When a terrorists like Hassan massacres people, put ’em to the thumbscrews, but if its an American service member, then its PTSD. You really don’t see a double standard? With all due respect, the only political values I’ve expressed in my posts is pro-death penalty, pro rule of law, and pro due process. Those are conservative values. So enough with the name calling.

    • KenInMontana

      The Staff Sergeant being held is a member of the US Army, not the US Marine Corps. If your facts are that screwed up to begin with, likely any information you have is as misinformed as your opinion is.

      • I’m sorry, I’m an USAF vet, they’re all kinda the same to me. Nobody’s perfect.

  • tshtsh

    Hey, I thought apologies were the in thing for this administration. Interesting Peon brain probably does not believe in the death penalty unless it is for the military.

  • tshtsh

    Peon brain must have consulted with the UN–not even presumed innocent!

  • tvlgds
  • ABC news reporting that SSgt. Bales had a “mild” TBI and was treated at Ft. Lewis. In 2008 was cleared mentally for sniper training and passed follow-up behavioral exams. He had some problems coming back from his last deployment(according to DoD), but his lawyer says the family issues have been all gravy. The ABC article says he slipped out at night with a pair of NVGs walked about a mile to the village(the Blaze reports 500 meters), broke into a house, killed 4, walked next door killed 11 more, walked another mile to the next village, killed one more man, then returned to base and turned himself in.
    He wasn’t unstable. He planned it out enough to slip past sentries, use his training and equipment. Now, it might not take long to walk a mile, but it takes long enough to think about what you’re doing. He deserves the death penalty. There wasn’t anything wrong in his head. He decided somebody was going to pay for his buddies leg. And 16 somebodies did pay for that leg.

  • Panetta is already talking about the death penalty for the combat veteran on his 4th tour and we still refer to Maj. Hasan as a job related incident. The DOJ and Obama won’t call Hasan a TERRORIST!

    This is outrageous!

  • KenInMontana

    New information on this, the Soldier in question is being transferred to Fort Leavenworth and has been identified:,0,5854997.story?page=1&track=rss

  • davidrugenstein

    That does it!!!! Give them (the accused!!) and Mr. Pannetta both shovels… and have them dig a hole 6’x 4′ wide, x 6′ deep, have both jump in opposite ends of the hole when finished, turn and fight each other to the death with hand-held bayonets…the winner gets to bury the looser! If need be (FYI… I am 70 years old this month (March.2012!!), and was disagnosed with Parkinsonisms- a form of Parkinson’s Disease-over 6 years ago!!!!) I’ll volunteer to take the place of the accused soldier!!!

    Attention: BHO and Hillary: You grab a shovel and choose who is after Leon … or maybe both of you at the same time!!!!! HEH, HEH!!!

  • scc10182

    the only one deserving of the death penalty is the commie traitor panetta along with all the commie czars.