Rand Paul was great in his questioning, and asks a very important questions of Kerry and Kerry ends up talking down to him.
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A lot of people need to READ the War Powers Act, starting with the Senator.
The EXECUTIVE decides what an “imminent threat” is. Not Sen. Paul, not Darrell Griffin, not the RS, not the PaulBots……the EXECUTIVE.
Remember tat next time you stay home or vote 3rd party because the candidate isn’t pure enough.
Typical liberal when cornered…condescending and arrogant. Tell ya what…let’s send Pelosi, McCain, Graham, both Clintons, Odumbo, Mooshelle, Valerie Jarret, Chuck Hagel…send them all over to do the fighting! They are so knowledgeable that surely their brains could handle the nerve gas! It’s not our war, let Allah handle it!
notebene Agreed, but by the same token, Paul is showing his true colors. The Ron Paul nut from the same tree colors.
DarrellGriffin Even without the War Power Act, the Constitution makes the Pres the CIC. Paul can find a Madison sentence. Too bad he can’t find Madison’s notes, wherein it states the delegates decided waiting for Congress to convene was not sound strategy, and having 535 CIC’s would be nuts.
CalCoolidge DarrellGriffin Agree 100%. Especially when NONE of the 535 is a general officer.
That’s the reason Washington was made GoA and Eisenhower the “Supreme Commander”.
You can’t have too many chiefs and not enough Indians….when nukes can crisscross the planet in under 30 minutes.
As I said in another post, Paul is making an a$$ of himself, and the only people he’s winning points with are the PaulBot idiots he inherited from his Dad….same as he inherited the foreign policy idiocy.
notebene Agree! And all the Dems & RINOs that vote yes plus their CHILDREN 18+ should be shipped right on over with them.
Right, and when the executive uses its power to do so unscrupulously Congress gets to defund it.
“I want to be proud of the President” says it all. Be careful Mr. Paul, you’ve come out saying you are just fine with drone kills of US citizens on our soil in violation of the 4th Amendment.
Orangeone notebene My Congressman, is a no vote. Randy Forbes-VA.
DarrellGriffin Seems pretty darn contradictory that the potus finds “imminent threat” from Syria and then goes golfing.
DarrellGriffin notebene And Randy voted for John Kerry along with Marco Rubio.
Orangeone DarrellGriffin I agree, I don’t like it….but it is what it is.
I don’t like it, but Rand and many others are publicly making fools of themselves, because he doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about.
DarrellGriffin At no time have I heard Kerry, Obama, or any other White House official say that Syria represents an “imminent threat” to the United States. That is not their reasoning for going to war. The reasoning is that Assad needs to be punished and that this punishment will act as a deterrent to others who might decide to use chemical weapons in the future.
Kerry and Obama’s arguments for military action against Assad is essentially that the US is the world’s policeman and we must enforce international norms with bombs if necessary. Assad is not an imminent threat to the US.
Kerry refused to acknowledge Paul’s valid point that trying to punish Assad may very well lead to more violence in the region, not less. First, Assad may become more desperate and use his chemical weapons to maintain his power. Second, Assad’s allies in the region like Iran and Turkey may join the conflict. Finally, Assad’s big allay, Russia may join the battle and then we have a much bigger conflict on our hands.
PaulMarek1 Or impeach.
It further emphasizes the point about staying home or voting third party. This is what you get. An Imperial President who basically can do what he wants until Congress calls him to account.
It’s like defunding Obamacare….Congress should fund everything but…then it’s Obama’s fault if the gov’t. shuts down. Think it will play out that way ?
CBDenver DarrellGriffin The President has until the first missile hits its target to designate it as such.
Look guys, I’m on the same side. I don’t want this happening, but too many are interjecting their OPINIONS into an area where only ONE opinion matters…that of the Executive.
If he decides to do it, nothing prevents it. He has the power, and the authority, like it or not.
All the philosophical arguments and opinions in the world do not change that FACT.
So, according to Kerry, a “limited missile strike” against Assad would not be considered going to war?
If the Cubans launched a limited missile strike in Miami, would Secretary Kerry consider this an act of war?
trekkie8214 it would depend on whether or not he got his Yacht out in time…
I don’t know what “World” Kerry is living in, but when you bomb someone just to “curb” them they are not going to turn the other cheek! You ahd better be prepared if you bomb them to finish the “Job!” Good night! It’s like Kerry, Obama, et al are living in a Utopian fantasy!
Vote “HELL NO!”
trekkie8214 Excellent point!
Orangeone Yeah and whats this “You’ll probably get what you ask for” stuff!
Rand is arguing with an unarmed opponent!
I don’t agree with Paul, but that’s how previous presidents got away with not going to congress by never actually declaring war. That’s why Korea and Vietnam were called “police actions” rather than wars because we never formally declared war.
John Kerry (2002) – “For the sake of our country, the legitimacy of our cause and our ultimate success in Iraq, the administration must seek advice and approval from Congress, laying out the evidence and making the case. Then, in concert with our allies, it must seek full enforcement of the existing cease-fire agreement from the United Nations Security Council. We should at the same time offer a clear ultimatum to Iraq before the world: Accept rigorous inspections without negotiation or compromise.”
SheerPolitics Well said! When a Republican wants to use military force it’s called a War. When a Democrat wants to use military force it’s called a humanitarian mission!
The War Powers Resolution of 1973 USC 50 -1541 – 1548 is the relevant law:
“The constitutional powers of the President as
Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into
hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in
hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised
only pursuant to
a declaration of war,
specific statutory authorization, or
a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces”
“The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress
before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into
situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly
indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall
consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are
no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such
There is nothing here that says the President can declare an “imminent threat” after launching missiles.
Orangeone DarrellGriffin notebene Regrets that vote I am sure!
trekkie8214 It depends on who you’re asking. If you ask the federal government, then no, it’s not considered a declaration of war; if you’re asking Assad, who the missiles are aimed at, then the answer would probably be a lot less favorable.
DarrellGriffin Orangeone notebene Is he a real NO vote or a run for cover NO vote? I pray it’s real.
Conservative_Hippie Orangeone He’s an open borders pro-drug legalization nutcase like his dad. He doesn’t believe in the sovereignty of the US.
You conveniently left out this part:
In the absence of a declaration of war, in any case in which United States Armed Forces are introduced— (1) into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances; (2) into the territory, airspace or waters of a foreign nation, while equipped for combat, except for deployments which relate solely to supply, replacement, repair, or training of such forces; or (3) in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation; the President shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth— (A) the circumstances necessitating the introduction of United States Armed Forces; (B) the constitutional and legislative authority under which such introduction took place; and (C) the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement.
Read the WHOLE thing, don’t just cherry pick one part. That’s what a liberal would do.
He actually has 48 HOURS to declare it an imminent threat.
SheerPolitics ”Got away with/?”
What would happen if the US were attacked while Congress was on recess and Paul were President?
PVG Orangeone DarrellGriffin notebene I doubt it. His belief is that the potus should be free to choose his cabinet. He has no idea what the purpose of Senate oversight is in confirmation proceedings.
CBDenver ”The third part sets forth reporting requirements that the President must comply with any time he introduces U.S. armed forces into existing or imminent hostilities); section 1543(a)(1) is particularly significant because it can trigger a 60 day time limit on the use of U.S. forces under section 1544(b).”
CalCoolidge SheerPolitics If Randy was potus the country would be part of Mexico so there wouldn’t be a Congress.
“I have no intention of voting to authorize American intervention in Syria. While the President’s decision to seek congressional authorization for military involvement in Syria shows a regard for the Constitution that has been noticeably absent for much of his presidency, I remain strongly opposed to an action that I believe will in no way contribute to America’s national security interests. I also find it concerning that the President is again seeking to use military power even while he has accepted nearly a trillion dollars in cuts from our national defense over the last four years. The President’s willingness to use our military without ensuring that it is properly funded should alarm all who view the maintenance of unparalleled American military power as a principal Constitutional duty of our Commander-in-Chief.”
I know a lot of people here don’t care for Rand Paul, but the guy has backbone. He says what he believes and was the only one asking the hard questions.
Rubio, Flake, and Johnson were AWOL today.
DarrellGriffin CalCoolidge I wouldn’t go so far as to call it idiocy across-the-board. The what-if scenarios he talks about are all valid concerns. We have no national interest, here.
But while I agree with Pau’s assessment to avoid this mess, I would be concerned about Paul Presidency. What would he do if told there was incoming? Run around and look for Congress because he doesn’t think the President has CIC authority?
CalCoolidge As you recall, we were attacked on 911 and yet Bush did get a declaration of war from Congress before invading Afghanistan/Iraq. Democrats conveniently like to forget that.
I think I made it clear I don’t support much of Rand’s libertarian beliefs. Just historical perspective that presidents quit calling it an act of war when they didn’t want to involve congress. This president is doing the same.
RRosen Backbone? He’s campaigning for 2016.
Man o man. If any of you have 16-18 yr old children you’ll relate.
This is a clear parallel of a parent trying to speak common sense into their child who has already made up there mind. And once the parent has spoken his or her peace. The belligerent child begins by justifying their actions/decision and all the while speaking to the parent in the most disrespectful manner.
We gotta bunch spineless, thinned skin, whiny children running the country and they simply don’t what to hear the word “NO!”
RRosen If Rand Paul were had any last name BUT Paul, and didn’t see “Rand and I are 99% the same” on Ron Paul’s website, I could get behind him.
Conservatives will NOT support an idiot on foreign policy. ESPECAILLY if their last name is Paul.
Also agree with Orange…he’s posturing for 2016, he’s shoring up the kook fringe libertarian base…and alienating conservatives at the same time.
Orangeone RRosen So? It doesn’t change the fact that he asked important, logical questions. And he happens to be very right on this too.
RRosen Orangeone They aren’t logical questions. They are questions coming from a position that is NOT the law. Making them irrelevant and vacuous.
DarrellGriffin RRosen Orangeone He is the only one emphasizing the downsides of military action. There are a lot of what ifs that could potentially happen. You have to be able to live with the worst case scenario.
It is amazing to me that we are still arguing this after Iraq and Afghanistan.
Orangeone RRosen Why do you say that? That’s what you think but you have no proof except your assertion. You know I’m angered when Paul does anything or Cruz and mushrooms like you pop out of the ground and shout posturing or whatever.
Almost all our political masters and overlords are spineless sellouts but Paul along with a few others seems to have a core set of beliefs.
The question not asked… when is your next dinner date with Assad? Oh would that have been a good one!
RRosen DarrellGriffin Orangeone ”He is the only one emphasizing the downsides of military action.” Really?
RRosen DarrellGriffin Orangeone SO I missed the part where his being right about the strategy and potential tactics exonerate him for being wrong about the Law ?
HillaryShackley Along with the picture of them dining that’s gone viral. Oh Ted Cruz would have done that!
Orangeone CalCoolidge SheerPolitics Cute.
Orangeone RRosen DarrellGriffin Hardly, there are many. Including Ted Cruz.
Wanna talk backbone and asking the tough questions ? That’s a CONSERVATIVE, not a kook libertarian.
RightStuff1 Orangeone RRosen Why do I say he’s campaigning? Because that’s all he does since he hinted at 2016. Check out his filibuster and drones and then this interview with Cavuto. It’s nothing but campaigning.
DarrellGriffin Orangeone RRosen I was quoting RRosen not making the stmt myself. My question was Really?
CalCoolidge Orangeone SheerPolitics Frightening too.
DarrellGriffin RRosen Alienating conservatives by taking a pricipled stand on whether or not to go to war? Really? That’s your line?
You know what? We are bankrupt. Our system is breaking down. We have impossible debts and impossible unfunded liabilities. Foreign policy is for countries that can afford to project power. Every missile we shoot at Syria will have to be paid for by monies borrowed from China or someone else.
I’m tired of the Neocons driving this country to one war after another. enough. I’m a paleo conservative and proud of it. We entagle ourselves way too much in foreign affairs while our own country is overrun with illegals, bankrupted, ransacked and burned to the ground….
DarrellGriffin Orangeone RRosen You don’t have to love Paul. (Though I think he is great.) But if you don’t find a great deal of common cause with him, then you aren’t a conservative. Period.
And frankly Rand Paul isn’t really a libertarian.
Orangeone RRosen DarrellGriffin Yes. At least on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
I am not sure I can enumerate his “libertarian beliefs.” But I am sure he is misreading the Constitution which does not say Congress must declare war for the President to conduct it, regardless of what it is called.
And again, regardless of whether it is “libertarian,” I’d be concerned that if the US were attacked and Paul were President, he’d be running around looking for Congress to give him permission to shoot, instead of shooting.
Orangeone RightStuff1 RRosen I literally have nothing to say to you. I suppose Ted Cruz is also campaigning right? Nothing they say or do is anything based on principle.
Orangeone RightStuff1 RRosen I see you bringing that up like drooling imbecile all the time. Nothing he said in that Cavuto interview contradicted his filibuster. Nothing. Not one thing.
CalCoolidge SheerPolitics That’s your question. OK here is an answer….knowing Rand Paul he would call them back into session that same day and ask for a vote the next day.
Presidents DO NOT have the power to declare war. Period. Its quite simple. But those neocons who would have imperial presidencies and over-mighty centralized power seem to think the POTUS is like a King. He ain’t a king. He is the executive. Listen to what Paul said. He quoted Madison. You might learn something.
Rand did a great job defending the power of the US Constitution, John Kerry did a good job defending Obama and his agenda regardless of the US Constitution and the US Senate or the US Congress, so while Mr Paul didn’t say it right out , he knows this is a horse and buggy show put on by Obama and Kerry. to try and use the Senate and Congress as scapegoats when the plot fails. Proud of the general who turned down the opportunity to respond when asked by Kerry, guess the general has learned how to avoid responding to gibberish.
RRosen DarrellGriffin Orangeone On domestic policy, yes. very much so. On foreign policy ? Not no, but hell no.
He’s an idiot like his father.
Thus sums up the divide between libertarians and conservatives…..the single BIGGEST issue is your idiotic and dangerous foreign policy.
Pull out a globe and a history book, now show me ONE nation of our size and footprint that survives or remained unharmed with a “noninterventionist” foreign policy. you CAN’T.
Be the windshield or be the bug. Project power and influence or be the projectee.
DarrellGriffin RRosen Orangeone How did that work for Rome?
CalCoolidge SheerPolitics You really need to read up on this. The President cannot declare war. Period. Did FDR declate war? No. Congress did. The President is the head of the military it would have been a stupidity beyond comprehension for the founder to vest the leader of the military with the right to unilaterally declare war.
I’m finding it difficult to believe you guys are conservative. You make the arguments that leftists make based upon ignorance and supposition.
RRosen If he had backbone, he’d have said half the things I was thinking. LOL.
When Kerry said he can guarantee Assad will do it again – I’d have said you can’t even guarantee he did it this time, and the last time you made a guarantee of this kind in 2004, it turned out to be 100 percent wrong.
And I have a few other choice words for Lurch.
RightStuff1 DarrellGriffin RRosen I’ll ask the same question of you, that I did your buddy.
Pull out a globe and a history book, now show me ONE nation of our size and footprint that survives or remained unharmed with a “noninterventionist” foreign policy. you CAN’T. Start with Carthage and go to Pearl Harbor.
Be the windshield or be the bug. Project power and influence or be the projectee.
This is totally off topic, but is Kerry on steroids? or is his puffy face botox-induced? The remarkable change in his appearance leads me to ask such an irrelevant question. But I do wonder.
RRosen Orangeone RightStuff1 YAWN!!! really you are boring ….. you have an opinion, factless and baseless and insist on it…fine. Insist you are free to do so. You persuaded me not one jot.
DarrellGriffin RightStuff1 RRosen How about I start with the Treat of Paris 1873, and go to Pearl Harbor. How’d we do?
And I ask, is Senator Kerry more or less likely to go windsurfing this weekend?
CalCoolidge DarrellGriffin RightStuff1 RRosen Go all the way back to Ancient Egypt.
Nations who adopted such policy have always done so at their own peril.
They have also paid for it with their lives AND their freedoms.
RightStuff1 CalCoolidge SheerPolitics I have read up on this. In fact, I have large portions of the Constitution memorized.
The Constitution does not require war to be declared for the President to conduct it. You can call that conservative or liberal, but it’s what the Constitution says.
DarrellGriffin RightStuff1 RRosen I can see the neocons are here in living color. Countries who “project” power ed up DYING!!! Look at what happened to Britain. 100 years ago she had the mightiest empire the world had ever known. It is gone due to blundering into WW1 and then WW2. The world’s policeman became the world’s pauper.
We are mimicking GB in almost every detail. We are not an empire though we behave like we are.
We cannot afford to be the world’s policeman when we can no longer protect our own borders nor pay for the military that it requires.
We are bankrupt. We wont be powerful for a whole lot longer because we dont have any money to pay for it.
As the Cicero said “the sinews of war are infinite money”. that is why Rome was able to build her empire. We are a Representative Rupublic not an effortless builder of empires.
RightStuff1 CalCoolidge SheerPolitics
And no matter how many times you repeat that the President does not “declare” war, the Constitution does not require war to be declared for the President to conduct it.
CalCoolidge DarrellGriffin RightStuff1 RRosen Two of the country’s better Presidents- Haring and Calvin Coolidge- were non-interventionists.
Wow, IMO Rand Paul ate Kerry up. It is very obvious that he is way smarter than Kerry by a mile. I have nothing good to say about John Kerry. The biggest thing is.. ASSAD DIDN”T DO IT!!!!!
Eight-and-a-half minute mark: the goal is to degrade Assad’s capabilities. To do what? launch “another” chemical attack — which more and more we are learning was not the work of Assad but of the rebels? OK. Let’s degrade Assad’s forces. Who does it benefit? The al-Qaeda affiliated rebels, that’s who, themselves in league with Turkey, not to mention the MB and Obama himself.
Once a snake, always a snake: Kerry snake.
OliviaHT I think he’s getting cosmetic surgery … plumping up his face. Maybe chipping off some of the long jaw? He doesn’t look as much like Dudley DoRight as he used to.
trekkie8214 In that case, kerry and Obama would run up the white flag in seconds.
Quite frankly this is all GARBAGE…when I hear a left wing twit of a stand in for Lurch talk about anything FORGET IT!! The LAW…Kerry craps the LAW to whatever comes of his front or rear side. He is a TWO-FACED NOTHING OF A COWARD who thinks because he looks like a creature from Night of the Living Dead that he can TALK DOWN TO ANYONE…HE makes no POINT AT ALL…he CIRCUMVENTS ANSWERING because quite frankly this about saving the PANSY IN CHIEF. OFraud and his MANCHILD DEPENDS that are full because HE IS ALONE in his LEFT WING MUSLIM SYMPATHIZING WORLD. This BEAN BAG has no clue where to TOSS HIS RAG so what the LITTLE PIMPLE will ASK THE REAL MEN AND WOMEN in the MILITARY to follow what? An American Hater, a man who CANNOT STAND the MILITARY but now looks for them to save his BANKRUPT and EMPTY FACE???
Sorry Paul asks legitimate questions and Kerry like when he ran for President left earth at the time of Creation. HE IS UTTERLY MANIPULATIVE and CONIVING and to trust him and his left wing Master of None is the recipe for disaster….but worry not he has his cheerleading SUPREMES in their mini-skirts cheering him..McLAME, Shamnasty, Shredded Wheat Read, At the Bottle Pelosi, General Dimwit Durbin, Benedict Arnold Boehner, Misfit and Missing McConnell and all the the other LIPSTICK GIRLS.
STAY OUT OF IT and let the ISLAMIC SCUM deal with the ISLAMIC SCUM!!!
Orangeone notebene You mean the “Peace Corp”? LOL
When has Kerry been RIGHT on anything? He is too busy worried about windsurfing.
Kerry should work at the Heinz kitchen factory.
RRosen I do know Rubio WAS there and had very good points. He was one of the first speakers.
OliviaHT And Turkey’s leader is O’s BFF. Will the weapons run from Benghazi through Turkey to Syria be used against Americans?
odin147 His wife sold off the company a short time ago which made them billionaires.
RRosen Rubio WAS there and was one of the very first speakers. He had some very valid points.
DarrellGriffin The war powers act? What amendment is that listed under? Oh, that’s right, it’s not part of our Constitution thus it’s quite meaningless despite so many willing to abuse the executive power. I cannot believe so many are desire returning to the Constitution without contemplating what that means. How many billions and lives did Iraq cost(i supported it like a jackass) and did it make us safe? No. Would have been better to contract a hit squad to kill Hussein(which one).
This is yet another raiding of the treasury by the Obama and company to give to the NWO friends. Damn it, this missiles aren’t made in candy factories, they cost huge amounts we don’t have now and so , what, we’re going to just use them for the hell of it with no benefit in security for the US of A? Screw that!
RRosen DarrellGriffin Orangeone If we don’t love Randy we are not conservatives? Are you smoking some of his favorite weed? BTW, thank you for ObamaCare, it was the PaulBots in MN that refused to vote for Coleman which gave us Franken and vote #60.
RRosen Orangeone RightStuff1 Murdering a US citizen for maybe stealing $50 is absolutely in contradiction to his filibuster. BTW, Randy and Obama are exactly on the same page on drone use except Randy will murder Americans on our soil.
RightStuff1 RRosen Orangeone PaulBots are what they are, mindless idiots that care more about homosexuality, illegal aliens and drugs.
RightStuff1 DarrellGriffin RRosen ”We are bankrupt. Our system is breaking down. We have impossible debts and impossible unfunded liabilities.”
And the PaulBots answer is amnesty for 11-30 million illegal aliens. Yup, leave Americans unemployed and on welfare and foodstamps with millions more replaced by illegal aliens.
warpmine Orangeone notebene Actually front line, unarmed, untrained, unprotected. They are so willing to send our brave men and women, time for them to go first.
The Destroyers off the Syrian coast are already operating as if at war(hopefully). When you threaten war, your opponent is not just waiting around for you to attack. Very dangerous game.
Rand Paul is fearless when taking on the lefties.
Orangeone RRosen DarrellGriffin I didn’t say that. Are you an illiterate?
Okay I’m convinced….if Hanoi John Kerry says the US needs to attack Syria, I’m convinced that’s the wrong thing for us to do. I’m convinced that John Kerry is about as smart on foreign policy as is obama, which is to say he’s not smart on foreign policy at all. Once a loser, always a loser!!!!
Orangeone RightStuff1 DarrellGriffin RRosen ”Yup, leave Americans unemployed and on welfare and foodstamps with millions more replaced by illegal aliens.”
Who is teaching you economics? Paul Krugman? It’s fixed pie socialists like you who ruin the debate on amnesty for conservatives.
and paying Massachusetts taxes on his yacht.
This coming from the guy who claimed to be a great friend of Assad and called him a reformer?!
Did I wake up in the Twilight Zone?
First I must say – I do not think a imbecile that is kerry could speak down to anyone…… The word “attempted” would be more correct…
A “limited” action to “degrade Assad’s abilities” is in and of itself an ACT OF WAR. Its lawyer speak and I don’t beleive it for a second. Stay out of Syria.
Orangeone odin147 Ironically Heinz Ketchup was started and owned by a conservative Republican Senator.
Poor Kerry…taking notes, so patient, so tired. /sarc
Massachusetts can have Kerry and his dinged-out wife back.
We’ve got no real proof that Assad used chemical weapons and it is more logical that the terrorists did to pull the US the skirmish There was no tactical advantage for Assad to do this…we are witnessing a scam reason to enter into this conflict perpetrated by the Obama admin.
Orangeone RightStuff1 DarrellGriffin RRosen I am not a Paul bot – you however are a clown. Paul makes some very principled stands and for that I support him. You make so few interesting or valid points except for personal hyperbole. I have yet to see you make a substantive point on anything. You spew invective and it is literally nauseating.
As I wrote in another comment – our borders are overrun and it is neocon loonies like you beating the war drums for Barry the wunderboy so he can toss torches around like a crazy in an ammunition dump.
I fear you are unable to discern – period!
Laurel A Orangeone odin147 Yup.
After watching video again I still have failed to understand what was is so funny – enjoyable by which to cause laughter!!! Bunch of freaking loons!!!!
Laurel A This is interesting. The rebels wanted Romney so the US would get involved in the war. Guess they found a way to convince O.
John Kerry said Americans don’t want to go to war. He then said, “we don’t believe we are going to war in the classic sense. WTF…you are putting our troops in harms way no matter how you sugar coat this. It is going to go down hill when we get involved. This administration is so warped in their thinking. They care more about a thug like Travon Martin than they do about the men and women who will be fighting this war. And make no mistake, it will be a war. It will be a massive mistake on this administration’s part if this happens. God help us all. God help us all….
john fu Kerry, the bigtime war hero. This country is run by asses.
Why couldn’t the general answer Kerry’s question? He was asked the question by the Secretary of State. Oh, maybe Kerry, being the genius he thinks he is, shouldn’t have asked the question for some reason. This said, his answer to Senator Paul convinced me that we should not be involved in this conflict in Syria–we should keep an eye on it from a distance or through intelligence operations.
“Senator, you need to come to a secret meeting to get the facts.” No, Kerry, you already should have had the secret meeting with Congress to get everyone on the same page before this particularly useless hearing. You, sir, are an idiot of the first order and have no business being in such a critical position.
“There are three of us here who have been to war.” That’s right–you’re a hero, aren’t you Kerry? In your arrogance, you forget that Americans have been to war since 2011–the nation, for the most part, knows what war now entails. You are such an arrogant ________! (put in your own word. I can’t stomach all this incompetence.)
And the democratic party thinks it can rule the world better than God. Well, just wait until He decides its time for His reign to begin. We’ll see what happens to your arrogance then, John Kerry, BO, McCrapper and the rest of you. To this point in human history, God has only worked through human beings. When He decides He has had enough of human folly, He will act and He will reign supreme. Even so come, Lord Jesus!
DarrellGriffin CBDenver DId he do that with Libya?
Do you truly suppose that he will declare Syria an imminent threat after 48 hours? On what basis? When he doesn’t do it with Syria, what’s going to happen?
It’s juvenile of me, but I can’t help thinking, “Kerry, Tinky Winky, La La, and Poe”…
That looks like an assembly line. I hope they aren’t mass producing those things.
It must painstakingly irritating to have put up with people who actually have a clue.
Occam’s Razor, Mr. Secretary… Occam’s Razor. Who stands to gain more from a chemical attack on their own people?
Occam’s Razor there Mr. Secretary… wasn’t that in that secret briefing somewhere?
@2:20: Face palm, What you’re bringing up the constitution, I thought we shredded that document.
just like obamaer Kerry did NOT like being asked questions
and then he acted like a jerk to Sen Paul………….not surprised……..Kerry has had some real bad botox or something
MichaelSiag yes now ALL of a sudden they all care about Constitution
it is quite disgusting isn’t it??? obamaer has bashed congress for 5 yrs and now the empty suit wimp jerk wants their input yeah sure……………..this is such a joke a Hollywood production
Rand Paul was just as useless as Kerry. He couldn’t say enough times how much he believes the president will be given the so called Constitutional authority to attack a country without cause. He seems like he’ll vote for this atrocity, just like he voted for othet atrocities: like confirming John Kerry, in the first place.
Then, you’ve got the liberals Kerry and McCain pretending to be so pious, hawking their very dubious military service. They even claim ‘its not war in the traditional sense’. Both Paul and Kerry make me sick, and both should be impeached.
Kerry is so condescending and disrespectful to Rand Paul and by extension to every American who have the same questions.
Senators Mike Lee and Rand Paul are the best the Republican party has when it comes to discussion and rhetoric. Senator Ted Cruz is pretty good also. John Kerry still has the Viet Nam Hanoi Jane CHIP on his shoulder. He is disgusting.
Orangeone DarrellGriffin The man’s talking crap. Absolutely idiotIc. Of course there is no ‘imminent threat’ to the US. If there was, Obama should have made all this noise weeks/months ago when it was reported that Al Quaeda has and was using chemical weapons. But he didn’t, because it was his friends using them then. Ignore Darrell and his disgraceful warmongering. I just wonder how much he’s being paid to spout rubbish here.
Probably WIN? You sound like Fox News now. God, I hate Rand Paul.
In 2007, Obama said this….
“the President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”
He was right. The “War Powers Resolution of 1973″ gives the President the authority to take us to war for 60 days without Congressional approval, but this is in conflict to the Constitution. A resolution cannot trump the Constitution, so the resolution is unconstitutional.
Of all places, the L.A. Times has a very good article on it, and they surprisingly say that Obama’s attack on Libya was illegal. The following article is where I got the previous information….
The problem, Mr. Kerry, is that this is not a threat to the United States, and I’m hard pressed to even think of any interests we have to protect there. It’s enemy versus enemy. The U.S. is not the world’s policeman, especially when it involves a conflict between people that hate us on both sides. As Palin said….”let Allah sort it out”.
I fear the enemy within.
And there’s very good reason to.
I don’t know who this guy Kerry thinks he is, but he is NOT: elected by the American people.
RRosen I’m glad the guy had a backbone because Kerry got the better of him.
Paul exposed his isolationist viewpoint, something he had avoided so he wouldn’t make the mistakes of his father – IMO, he failed. His greatest error was allowing SOS Kerry to act like he was a Senator on the committee and thus, was able too grill Paul. Paul foolishly tried to answer Kerry’s questions.
He should of told Kerry he was no-longer a Senator and had NO right to ask questions of the committee members; just answer them.
They still haven’t proven that Assad was the one who released the gas on his people.
Kerry: “…he still has the Constitutional authority…”
LIAR. He never had it, so he doesn’t still have it, and NOTHING about intervening in Syria makes any sense. LIAR. Someone stand up and shout it: “LIAR!” Stop playing kissy-face with the traitors in government!
Senator Paul, you “don’t BELIEVE” obama has the Constitutional authority? That’s part of the problem. You know he doesn’t have the authority. Say it!
You and the entire rest of the Senate should be telling the American people that he definitely does NOT have the authority for this, and if he tries to go ahead, you will remove him from office immediately.
And what’s this about it being unlikely that Congress will turn him down?
There are no courageous patriots left in government.
kong1967 Same problem as three times before: the link you posted takes me back to this article.
Scoop, what’s going on? Is this a polite way of telling us not to post any more links?
chris3 I agree. He’s too concerned about being polite to an enemy of the US. That’s kerry.
Someone who tells a bully he’ll probably do what the bully wants is sending a signal of submission as clearly as if he’d rolled over on his back with his tail between his legs. The questioning is just for show. “Please massa ‘bama, don’t make us look like groveling cowards before the 2014 elections!”
You can see the contempt in kerry’s face. To be held in contempt by a thing as low as “Swiftboat kerry” is the ultimate disgrace.
pushtheredbutton Orangeone DarrellGriffin Holy fire in your own tent……, I’m a 41 year old who has studied military history and international politics for years. Over 3 decades as a matter of fact. Been a conservative for over 2 decades.
Yes, I disdain PaulBots, because on foreign policy, they ARE idiots. Never learn the lessons of history.
READ what I wrote, I am NOT in favor of this action, or whatever they choose to call it.
I’m posting the unfortunate TRUTH. And that TRUTH is that it doesn’t make a crap what you think, or I think, or Rand Paul thinks…the PRESIDENT makes that designation and that decision. That’s why he’s hired to do the job.
Congress can decide they disagree and defund it, but he can still do what he wants for 60 days. FACT. He can “decide” it’s an imminent threat and act. FACT. He’s the “decider”.
You want to ignore me, because I’m simply educating you as to the truth, or otherwise not singing the praises of the Kool-Aid you are drinking, then that’s on you.
Again: There is only ONE opinion that matters when it comes to what is designated an “imminent threat”, and all the bitching in the world won’t change that.
Sorry if you don’t like hearing it, but it is what it is. Call me names all you want, as your opinion is, again, irrelevant to the matter at hand.
warpmine DarrellGriffin It’s the recognized Law of the Land. Even if you don’t like it.
Obamacare is unconstitutional to many, myself included, how’s that working out ? You think the IRS is going to waive the fine when you whine about freedom and liberty ?
People are not really READING what I am saying. They just wanna bash, call me neocon, call me warmonger. If they actually read what I have said, I am NOT in favor of escalating Obama’s clusterfrak, but I’m also recognizing that I really don’t have a say in the matter.
If Obama decides to do this, even if approval fails in the Congress, there ain’t squat you or I can do about it. Nothing Congress can do about it either, except defund it down the road.
Again, your opinion is irrelevant, as is mine. The President can do it if he decides to do it, and all the bitching n the world will not change that.
Orangeone RRosen DarrellGriffin Trying to make libertarians see the flaws in their foreign policy logic is like trying to explain economics to a liberal.
RRosen DarrellGriffin Orangeone Rome collapsed because they built an entitlement state they couldn’t sustain. The barbarian hordes came in almost unopposed.
Sound familiar ? USA 2013, look at entitlements.
RightStuff1 CalCoolidge SheerPolitics
I am quoting the Constitution and Madison’s notes. Paul might learn something listening to me.
This was not
Secretary of State John Kerry. I have it on reliable authority that the real
John Kerry was on his yacht the Heinz 58 all day Tuesday. The long,
flat, expressionless space age polymer mask was good, but the fake Kennedy
accent wasn’t quite right and the sock puppet he used to pass for Defense
Secretary Chuck Hagel was a dead give away. — … Full Caf Americano
lawngreen Wow, that is strange. I clicked on the link and it brought me right back here as well. I started typing after the link and it included what I typed as part of the link even though it was two lines below. Maybe that’s why. I’m going to test it again….
DarrellGriffin warpmine No, no, no, I didn’t want to insult you by keying the “N” neo-con word. I will point out that the constitution is the ultimate guide to which branch is allowed which power and until they pass an amendment stating the change, the War Powers” Act is fubar.
As a nation, we’ve silently allowed the government to shuffle around the powers that only the Republic’s Constitution delegated to each branch and of course we’re paying a heavy toll no. Since Wilson, the country has been seriously dumbed down enough so that many are totally clueless to their rights and the bounds or limitations of the Federal government which was the goal.
Today, we’re in the fight of our lives with not only the govt but the low info voters which ignore their responsibilities as voters. Teaching them different will be a daunting task if not impossible as an entirely new generation is bred to replace the idiots kicking off now. A war, destructive as it might be to infrastructure, might be the only way to correct it. We’re not even in full blown misery yet so how bad can it get before they wake the hell up?