By The Right Scoop


A good interview with Rand Paul talking about the NSA spying and how Obama is a hypocrite for doing the things he’s suggested were out of bounds. Paul also tells people to go to his website and sign up to be part of a lawsuit against these spy policies.

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  • DHardy

    I hear you Rand Paul..you sir are spot on and we do need to start legally holding every one accountable that was/is involved

    • Orangeone

      DHardy You have no standing to sue. You cannot prove the gov’t has any of your records and even if you could you have not been harmed.  Randy Paul is a nutcase like his father.  He is only after protecting his 2016 campaign call center, emails, etc.  He can’t launch a lawsuit, he would be suing himself.

      • DHardy

        Orangeone DHardy NSA is in clear violation of our civil and constitutional rights as well as many other Obama agencies..we do need to start holding these people legally responsible

        • Orangeone

          DHardy Orangeone You have to have standing and you have to be able to show harm neither of which you can do because you’ll never get access to the records and the cell companies are prohibited from telling you.  They have it neatly tied up.  A Constitutional argument might be made but it will take a strong Constitutional lawyer like Mark Levin.  Rand Paul is no Mark Levin.  Plus he would be one that citizens would sue, he is a member of Congress that funded it!

      • SpikeT

        Orangeone DHardy Rand…perfect? No, but Rand is NOT his father.

        • Orangeone

          SpikeTOrangeoneDHardyIn some ways he might be worse.  After the drone filibuster, Rand came right out and said he would be okay with a drone kill of an American citizen on US soil for stealing $50.  Guess he doesn’t think the Fourth Amendment applies any longer.  Even Ron Paul’s people went nuts over the comment. 

        • SpikeT

          Orangeone SpikeT DHardy RON Paul’s people are always NUTS.  Rand made the distinction between the use of a drone during an “imminent threat” and does not want unwarranted surveillance.  Drones are here to stay.  It’s the application and judgment of their use that matters.  Granted, Rand was not precise enough as he made that distinction.  I hope T Cruz stay out of such fuzzy articulation.

  • DHardy

    Notice how Obama was reading all those promises. LOL

  • Keyes

    Rand, why are you for amnesty?

    • RocklinConservative

      Is there anything you agree with him on?  Maybe even the issue he is discussing?

      • Orangeone

        RocklinConservative Not really. Rand is campaigning. He doesn’t even realize he would be on both sides of the lawsuit.  When you sue the gov’t, that’s him.

      • Keyes

        RocklinConservative 
        What difference  does it make where he stands on this issue when he supports the destruction of our nation with this amnesty?
        Are you aware that in this amnesty bill there is biometric id’ing of all us? Talk about an invasion of privacy!! He also supports drones in our skys.
        So, whoop dee doo da day on what he has to say on anything.

  • redwhtnblue

    NSA and PRISM are using overreaching, unconstitutional means to pry into the lives of American citizens. The Fourth Amendment is currently being trampled on by the Federal Government which created NSA and PRISM for the specific purpose(s) of gathering information and using that information to potentially spy on the American people unjustly.  
    Benjamin Franklin said:  “Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.” 
    Liberty is being eroded and our national security is actually being compromised by the massive overreach that Big Brother has caused through the implementation of unlimited data mining.
    Thomas Jefferson said: “Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
    Radical Islam is real and America is currently in the process of fighting a war on terrorism worldwide. Radical Islam is a significant threat to Western Civilization and to the whole world. What NSA and PRISM should be doing is gathering information on possible terrorist threats both within the United States and globally.  Our war is a war against terrorism and the majority of terrorists acts have been committed by Muslim extremists.  NSA and PRISM and other secret agencies should be focusing on the instigators of terrorism and not on innocent Americans whose lives and privacy have been compromised by both NSA and PRISM. They not only have the potential to spy on every person in America but in reality they are gathering information globally and they have the potential to spy on and/or target anyone. They should focus on the terrorists and those linked with terrorism,  They should NOT be gathering private information from law abiding citizens nor should they randomly gather information from people living in other countries. Stick to gathering information about terrorist threats and people connected with terrorism. Don’t spy on law abiding citizens!
    The Bill of Rights are guaranteed to all Americans. That includes the right to privacy and also protection from unreasonable searches and seizures. NSA and PRISM should only target terrorists and obviously those who are connected in some way to the terrorists. But gathering very bit of personal information from every person in America (or globally) is highly irresponsible and is in fact unconstitutional and tyrannical and it must stop.   
    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.” Thomas Jefferson
    Used responsibly (under the constraints of the Constitution) NSA and PRISM can provide invaluable services to protect America’s national security interests both here and abroad. What is unconstitutional and therefore a severe overreach of power is the unfettered collection of personal data on everyone in America. It is highly intrusive and an abuse of power by the Federal Government and it is in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment.  The Constitution states that the rights of the American people shall not be infringed upon.  But throughout Obama’s presidency and also during the second term of George W. Bush’s presidency the Federal Government has done just that.  
    A corrupt and despotic administration could use that vast reservoir of information to spy on and/or target any person (or group of people) they wanted to. Just like the Obama administration recently did regarding the Tea Party and other conservative groups via the IRS. Just like Attorney General Eric Himpton Holder Jr. also recently did to the Associated Press and also to Fox News reporter James Rosen.  
     
    Who’s to say that the Obama administration won’t target other American citizens with all that data they’ve collected? The Obama administration has abused its executive power and they’ve ended up targeting the wrong people. The FBI and Homeland Security basically dropped the ball regarding the Boston Marathon bombers.  Instead of targeting terrorists the Obama administration is wasting time and resources targeting innocent Americans. And what ends up happening is the terrorists are then able to commit acts of terrorism on US soil. And herein lies the problem.  And then to make matters even worse is the fact that Barack Obama and those within his administration have deliberately lied to the American people, not only about Benghazi and the IRS scandal, but also regarding NSA and PRISM. And those that have lied to the American people should be fired. And as far as Barack Obama goes he should be impeached.
    What is the moral of the story?  That absolute power corrupts absolutely. The United States’ Constitution is being undermined and shredded by an overreaching Federal Government and tyranny could become reality in America if Big Brother isn’t reined-in real soon. Nuff’ said.

    • white531

      redwhtnblue 
      You have made a total of three comments on Scoop, and each one has been a bombshell. I don’t know where you came from, but I am sure glad you’re here.
      Reading your comments is like reading poetry, and I am fond of poetry.  But I’m even more fond of Freedom.
      Your ability with words is not often encountered.  God Bless you. Welcome to Scoop.

    • Freempg

      redwhtnblue Obama holds the office of the presidency illegitimately. It is the root cause of all of this. Until we go back and determine every step along the way to this usurper and his puppet masters having accomplished such a high crime all else is subplot.

      • white531

        Freempg redwhtnblue 
        Free, we have met the enemy, and the enemy is us.

  • YoJoe

    Rand —  
    I have a news flash for you !
    Obama doesn’t care about terrorists 
    HE was spying on >>>>> YOU and all of his enemies (Conservatives) 
    Remember when you said – “Obama is the worst President evahh!!” 
    Obama never forgets comments like those 
    He is as vengeful as they come!

    • white531

      YoJoe  
      Reward your friends, punish your enemies.  Chicago style.

      • Orangeone

        white531 YoJoe Jarrett’s revenge in full force!

    • Orangeone

      YoJoe Rand knows that.  He is only concerned about his 2016 campaign, doesn’t want the Dems listening to his phone calls, reading his emails, etc.

  • BearNJ

    While the scandals are everywhere I’m more concerned about the GOP Senate moving this pathetic amnesty bill foward.

    I can’t believe the
    Republican party wants to hand its opposition 10 million new
    voters and annul the votes of its base. Why do these losers in the GOP think that when they betray us on this vote that we will show up and support them?

    • white531

      BearNJ 
      On this particular issue, I will side with the Dems.  Most of the Republican Establishment is so ignorant of what is happening, they may as well not be part of the conversation.

    • Freempg

      BearNJ: Perhaps if we could review the trove of Rubio’s NSA phone records, texts and emails Chuck U Shumer has on file we might have a better idea.

      • Orangeone

        Freempg BearNJ Rubio isn’t being blackmailed.  His racist colors are out in full view.

    • sDee

      BearNJ 
      I believe it – we are a one party system.Globalists all – they will divide the spoils . Donkeys will get the prime cuts, the elephants the scraps.

  • http://nation.foxnews.com/ sallyjohanna

    I heard many conservatives today say that we need this policy to protect us from terrorists and terrorism. They said we are protected by the law and the Government need WARRANTS and legal thresholds to actually access the information.
    I think I heard that Holder was “Judge shopping” until he finally found a judge that would sign his warrant on the Rosen scandal….so much for the “protection theory”!
    What a choice….another 9/11 or every American’s Constitutional rights, liberty and freedom trampled by a tyrant.

    • badbadlibs

      sallyjohanna I’ll take LIBERTY and FREEDOM!

    • Orangeone

      sallyjohanna Didn’t prevent the Xmas bomber and the Boston Marathon bombing did it?

  • yazz55

    This is an issue being delivered to the GOP on a silver platter.
    If they don’t fully prosecute this matter, then they deserve the oblivion that the obamessiah wants to do to them.

    • sDee

      yazz55  
      They will probably just sell the platter to a pwan shop.

    • strangernfiction

      yazz55 GOP fully prosecute? I think you know the answer to that.

      • Orangeone

        strangernfiction yazz55 I have a message for John Boehner. Look in the mirror Boehner, you are the chief traitor.  You funded this crap, you fund everything Obama wants including ObamaCare.  You are chiefly responsible for bankrupting this country.

    • PhillyCon

      yazz55 They have Obamacare on a platter too [with poll numbers against at all time high] … but, look at how they are handling it.  They are a pathetic lot.

  • white531

    We are losing elections because of voter fraud.  Dead people voting.  Dogs and Cats voting. Juan Morales voting sixteen times.  And the dumb Republicans think it’s because people perceive us as hating minorities.
    What’s the solution?  We need to embrace the Hispanic voter.  Let’s show those Democrats we love Mexicans!
    That guy, what’s his name, Rubio!  That’s it!  He’s Mexican, right?  He’s not?   Well, he speaks Spanish.  They’re all the same, anyway.
    Having a little fun here, but I think you get the point.  The Democrats have been cultivating this field for a long time time now.  They are already harvesting the  crop.  
    To come in this late in the game and say we love Hispanics (Mexicans), when we have been screaming for the  last twenty years that Mexicans are ruining our economy and putting a burden on our healthcare system, has trouble getting off the ground.  Because it has no wings.
    If Mexicans love one thing, they love welfare.  They understand it like no one else in this country.  A couple can come here illegally, (how hard is that really), rent an apartment, and within six weeks, twenty people will be living in that apartment and living on welfare.  They not only live on welfare, they FLOURISH  on welfare.  Our government and our beloved Democratic Party helps them do that.
    Don’t even think of arguing with me about this issue, because I live in Tucson.  Here in Tucson, it’s in your face every day of every week.
    Amnesty?  Forget about it.  It’s already reality.  It has been reality for a long time now.   You want to write a document that makes it legal?  What’s the point?  It’s already reality.
    I know what you’re thinking.   Another rant by white531.  Not much different than Santelli.
    Keep thinking along those lines and watch what happens to this country.
    They actually have an agenda, and they keep moving forward with their agenda.
    All we keep doing, is pointing at them and saying, “look what they’re doing!”

    • ryanomaniac

      white531 I live in Dallas white. I know everything you say is true. Illegals are cockroaches. They destroy everything in their path. Its disgusting what they have done to my hometown in Terrell. It looks like Mexico. Dirty. Its funny that Code Enforcement drives around and tickets people for the dumbest of things but you go on the east side of Terrell and there are trucks parked in the yard and beer cans all over but do nothing too them. Its crazy.

    • sDee

      white531  
      Then add the Somailis, islamists, mulsims, South and Central American marxists, former soviet block communists, Chinese communists, and the rest of the diverstity based immigration quotas.
      The Mexican border is a now mere distraction. We are committing national suicide.

    • Orangeone

      white531 That’s why the law needs to change.  We need the military on the border with shoot to kill orders.  We need a financial incentive for American taxpayers to turn in illegal aliens. They are, after all tax evaders, and we are paid to turn in tax evaders.  Deport once, if they return it’s the death penalty.  Anyone harbouring an illegal alien sentenced to 20 years.  We seize all of their assets and the proceeds reduce medical costs at the state level.  I’ve had enough of it too white.  
      Mexicans destroyed Mexico and they are intent on destroying America.  They are not only aided by the Democrats but many of the current Congress too like Rubio, Rand Paul, Kelly Ayotte.  I get Rubio, he is clearly race over country and I wonder if he has any respect for the US at all especially after the Univision interview where he says the GangBanger bill is only about legalization.
      I’m in MN and it’s bad here too.  They come here for the highest welfare in the country. We have sanctuary cities which have been destroyed.  They are voting illegally (voter ID failed), multiplying like rabbits, bankrupting school districts, live 15-20 per house paid for by the taxpayers, on food stamps eating much better than I am.  They pay cash for cars, never transfer the title so when they crash them, the poor soul that sold them the car is arrested.
      The GOP is dead because of their position to reward a racist group that violated our laws. They want to be like Reagan and repeat his biggest mistake.

      • white531

        Orangeone white531  
        At least Reagan admitted it was his biggest mistake. :)

        • Orangeone

          white531 Orangeone Yes but only after the damage was done.  Now the current idiots want to rinse and repeat it.

  • badbadlibs

    ONLY women who want to have their children murdered in or just out of their wombs are allotted PRIVACY! There is no other need for it. None. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

  • Who is calling?

    The 3rd Reich is alive and well, in America.     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7-2vcIoPRw

  • Conniption Fitz

    Our young and cute Libertarian Girl has something to say about Obama Admin Spying:

    As usual, she puts her points across well and with originality and humor.   She’s the white female version of Zo!
    We know how Obama and company use information and media – to publish propaganda, to gain power and money and to defame, punish and destroy opponents.
    Nasty, nasty, nasty people.

  • http://www.navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    You mean to say that Obama is a hypocrite? Say it ain’t so??? Most of us around here have known that since 2008. I guess it has taken this long for at least some people in both government and the mainstream media to notice. Well, better late than never, not that it will make much of a difference to the mainstream media. They are so far in the tank for Obama, nothing that Obama does will make much of a difference. And as long as they don’t say anything, the low information voters will be happy. Disgusting.

  • Matt2Matt

    If it weren’t for double standards, Leftists would have no standards at all.

  • Rshill7

    Washington Post hits Obama – “I too have become disillusioned”
    Mornin’ folks. Read it…and in the Washington Post too. This guy nails it like a railroad spike through the cranium.

    • Conniption Fitz

      Rshill7 Hey, bro – that article was Sept.. 2012.

      • Rshill7

        Conniption Fitz Rshill7 
        You are correct. Realized that a few minutes ago while looking for the direct link. Dagnabbit!
        Wish someone would write that today. Sorry folks. My bad. 
        Great and timeless article…bad timing on my part :-(.

        • Conniption Fitz

          Rshill7 Your timing and comments are always good!  Keep posting the truth, whole truth and nothing but.

      • Conniption Fitz

        But here’s a NYT article:  Disillusioned Nation: http://keller.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/10/disillusioned-nation/?partner=rss&emc=rss
        That’s the ever-loving truth!

        • badbadlibs

          Conniption Fitz Blame Bush is what I got out of it.

  • Conniption Fitz

    The Government should put protection first – for citizens, diplomats and military as well as our interests, economy and currency.  But they have not done so. 
    In Afghanistan today another attack – “Explosion in Kabul a suicide attack in diplomatic compound: police source” – Reuters: http://t.co/nT3RkFJAen

  • Jim1904

    Prez zero needs to come clean.  Snowden may have e-mail evidence.  

    Get him to flip on Obamacare like Chief Justice Roberts did.

  • Conniption Fitz

    Guardian Journalist re: NSA SPY CASE – MORE TO COME!!!
    http://news.yahoo.com/journalist-us-surveillance-case-more-come-050921834.html

    • Conniption Fitz

      “The journalist who exposed classified U.S. surveillance programs leaked by an American defense contractor said Tuesday that there will be more ‘significant revelations’ to come from the documents.
      “We are going to have a lot more significant revelations that have not yet been heard over the next several weeks and months,” said Glenn Greenwald of The Guardian.”

      • Conniption Fitz

        Twitchy:
        “President Obama’s binder full of scandals is so overstuffed it may be time to upgrade to a bigger storage facility. Perhaps something along the lines of http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207353/Imelda-Marcos-legendary-3-000-plus-shoe-collection-destroyed-termites-floods-neglect.html to accommodate all those dropping shoes?”
        Maybe that huge OFA data facility that Maxine Waters was talking about could hold the record of Obama crimes and scandals.
        Obama – the first American President whose presidential library was built behind bars inside Ft. Leavenworth.

      • Orangeone

        Conniption Fitz If it’s so darn important, release it.  How long does the Guardian think it will take for the Brits to raid them?  I’ sure Obama is working on it as I type.

  • kong1967

    I don’t know.  We may be out of gas.  The Supreme Court ruled that we do not have an expectation of privacy on our phone records.  
    Obama is being a hypocrite because he bashed Bush for a much smaller application of the Patriot Act.  He said he would fight against this.  Hmmmm, not only did he not fight against it, he expanded it.

    • lawngreen

      In light of the supremes’ decision that the U.S. Constitution has no meaning, I move that obama, holder, hillary, and harry reid have no expectation of privacy, meaning that if I want to snoop electronically on their phone or internet conversations, or plant bugs or cameras in their mistresses’ bedrooms, they have no standing to object.
      Do I hear a second?

      • kong1967

        lawngreen  I second that.

        • lawngreen

          kong1967 Motion moved and seconded. In the absence of debate (we’re using Chicago rules here) the motion is hereby passed unanilaterally. If you’ve never heard that term before, it’s because you didn’t go to school with obama. No one else did, either, so only obama and I know that what I just did was perfectly legal.
          Now to plant those snoop devices. After about a year I figure we’ll make a mint selling them to America’s Unfunniest Videos.

  • Who is calling?

    Today in America it’s going to be a good day. speak freely just make sure it’s person face to face.

    • Who is calling?

      @Army_Pilot1967, Remember my friend we’re on it every day, every hour. somewhere in time today, we sleep less, but we fight forward.

  • stage9

    This is about the ONLY thing I support Rand Paul on, though I reserve the right to retract that statement based on any future statements he may make.

  • WhiteGuy2

    The main issue for me is the current governments definition of terrorist, and who they deem a terrorist. The pattern of behavior by this government indicates to me that they consider political opposition as the terrorist, the Tea Party, veterans, and gun owners.————-The following is an article from The Blaze
    Are you “reverent of individual liberty?” Are you “suspicious of centralized federal authority?” Do you think there is a “grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty?”
    Well, then you fall into the category of “extreme right-wing” terrorist, according to a http://start.umd.edu/start/publications/research_briefs/LaFree_Bersani_HotSpotsOfUSTerrorism.pdf out of the University of Maryland, which was funded in part by the Department of Homeland Security.
    The study says right-wing extremists are “groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent.”
    Further, right-wing extremist groups “believe in the need to be prepared” by taking part in “paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.” Groups may also be “fiercely nationalistic” and “suspicious of centralized federal authority.”
    Right-wing extremism also involves a belief in “conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty,” the study claims.
    Interestingly, in an oversight that is not explained, the report barely mentions radical Islam. Instead the study lumps religious terrorist groups into one category and describes them as “groups that seen to smite the purported enemies of God and other evildoers, impose strict religious tenants or laws on society (fundamentalists), forcibly insert religion into the political sphere.”
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/03/homeland-security-funded-study-lists-people-reverent-of-individual-liberty-as-extreme-right-wing-terrorists/

    • white531

      WhiteGuy2  
      Sign me up!  That definition fits me exactly.

    • badbadlibs

      WhiteGuy2 We’ve got one heck of a government these days, don’t we? I still love America, but I despise it’s current way of governing by ignoring the Constitution.
      Naturally that makes me a extremist….when I was a young girl, it made me patriotic, but that was before democrats morphed into satan’s henchmen.

  • Army_Pilot1967

    More corruption and spying on Americans from obama’s administration.  He’s turning America upside down to suit his own ego and ambition.  Worst president ever!!!!!

  • white531

    Here’s an interesting op ed piece from the L A Times on Obama. 

    Goldberg: We can’t trust Obama.   The IRS and NSA scandals show the president can’t be trusted to keep politics out of government.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg-obama-trust-20130611,0,1929314.column

    • badbadlibs

      white531 http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/11/fox-reporter-herridge-reveals-nsa-abuses-video/

  • white531

    Okay, one more link and I will stop.  This is a 32 minute film which is sort of a montage, or series of clips from various news agencies about government spying.  It is absolutely mesmerizing.   I got it from the NATURAL CONSERVATISM & COMMON SENSE site.  I don’t know the original source.
    http://ncncs.wordpress.com/2013/06/09/what-do-we-have-to-show-for-our-rights-being-violated/

  • tinlizzieowner

    (I’m tired of poking around, tying to figure out what the ‘Open Thread’ of the day is, so this one will do).
    The sky is falling folks! :-0 
    The (overtly liberal) ACLU has filed suit against the Obama Administration over the ‘eavesdropping’ issue.
    Hey Barry, Your ‘Titanic’ government is sinking and you might want to pay a little less attention to what song the band is playing and a little more attention to the fact that even the ‘rats’ are getting into the life boats.
    ;-) ;-)

  • physicsnut

    oh great.
    Hey – I just was listening to Hannity and the 2 whistleblowers this afternoon. They stated that data has already been analyzed so that all the groupings are known in the usa – ie, who communicates with whom. That is what I expected they would be up to. One should ask – who would want to know that – for everybody in the USA ? What has that got to do with terrorists ? I want to hear some answers – not this crap from Bolton or Rove or Obama that this is ‘intelligence in 2013′ or some other garbage. Evidently not too many politicians thought to ask about that. Evidently they have no clue what totalitarians do – and that is one of the things they do. That is probably why a few souls wanted to speak out – but they were prohibited from speaking. Hmmmmm……. So much for all the blabber about it was ok with all 3 branches of govt – if you can’t discuss it ? hmmmmm. The IRS is only part of this mess.

  • Valin

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/350799/rand-pauls-heres-crime-act-andrew-c-mccarthy
    His interpretation of the Fourth Amendment would be a boon for lawbreakers.
    Andrew C. McCarthy
    6/12/13
    The notorious civil rights lawyer William Kunstler, in addition to his
    work on political cases (i.e., anti-American radical-leftist and
    terrorist cases), gladly made himself available to mobsters, too after
    all, someone had to pay the bills. Invited to a dinner once after a job
    well done for a mafia don, he hoisted a glass to the assembled capos and
    button men, toasting them, Heres to crime!
    Gleeful crooks across the country could be giving the same toast if
    Senator Rand Paul gets his way. The self-styled libertarian Republican
    from Kentucky, firmly in his fathers tradition of overreaction to
    imagined constitutional violations (or, perhaps I should say, violations
    of an imaginary Constitution) is outraged by reports that the Defense
    Departments National Security Agency (NSA) is collecting metadata on
    phone calls of millions of Americans. He has responded by introducing an
    absurd piece of legislation he calls the http://www.paul.senate.gov/files/documents/EAS13699.pdf
    Naturally, the bill is unacquainted with the Fourth Amendment either
    the one given to us by the Framers or even the one enlarged over time by
    Supreme Court jurisprudence. I use the word naturally advisedly.
    Senator Pauls proposed law asserts: The collection of citizens [ACM: I
    take it he means citizens] phone records is a violation of the natural
    rights of every man and woman in the United States. A citizens natural
    right to telephone-usage records that are actually the property of
    third-party service providers? I wonder what St. Augustine would have
    made of that. 
    (Snip)