Rubio: We can't just grant amnesty, but we must recognize the reality that twelve million illegals are here.
McCain: My friends, we can't deport 12 million people, c'mon!
Reality to Rubio: When will you recognize the 'reality' that 50 million people voted to not give amnesty?
They better pick Rand Paul over Rubio. Rand Paul is a true conservative and Rubio has been caving in.
Without a National Voter Registry with Photo ID and fingerprint verification, enforced borders, prevention of wholesale amnesty, there will never be another Conservative government and there will not be a Constitutional National government in the US. Period.
Rubio's amnesty/reform must not include voting privileges, benefits or citizenship for illegals.
Congress and courts must enforce US laws.
Allowing Obama's nomination was a big illegal affirmative action that has endangered this nation.
His presidency is illegal, unconstitutional and immoral.
Will Michael Savage cover his response? I will anxiously wait for Mark Levin's analysis the next day. I laugh when Savage and Levin criticize each other. Hopefully, Rand Paul will challenge both Obama and RINO Rubio. Of the three, only Paul is actually qualified by birth to be President!
I will not listen to RINO Rubio, who is NOT a natural born citizen, but I will pay attention to Paul. Stop the Floridians, Bush and Rubio, NOW! No more Bushes!
Well it's the boxing match between the GOP Rubio and the Tea Parties Paul both of them giving a response to Obama State of the Union.
We all know what the true state of the union is and it's a mess !
Obama will blah,blah,blah,lie,lie,lie,blame,blame,blame, same old, same old, this is a given and this is all he is about !
So wether it be Rubio or Paul the Truth must be told.. no lies or stories told with rose colored glasses, The TRUTH is what We all seek and want to hear !
It is far too early for We the People to pick a runner in 2016. Heck We need to battle Obama now... on every stage that the fool happens to take ! Best We don't split our forces the foe is formidable and his minions many.
In the end, Will it be, "We the People" or them again ?
Look, you folks know I've been tough on Rubio since before he managed to unseat Charlie Crist in the primary. But I think the level of rhetoric against him is a bit over the top here.
Let's clarify a few things.
1) The term RINO is about as useful as the term Jackass in defining someone, when it comes to their principles, their record, and their statements. I think it is a useful term when describing people collectively, such as the RINOs running the party right now. But it isn't useful at all when describing individuals. Especially when the individuals in question are good, reliable conservative votes when it comes down to the really important stuff.
2) Republicans are a very fractious party right now. The factions include (but are not limited to):
A) The old, "Rockerfeller" Republicans
B) Beltway "Masthead" and Columnist Republicans
D) Cotton Conservatives
E) Reagan Conservatives
F) Values Conservatives
G) Buchanan Conservatives
H) libertarian/fiscal conservatives
The old, "Rockerfeller" Republicans are not Conservatives. They never were. A notable example is David Brooks. Rubio is clearly not a Rockerfeller Republican. Neither is Rubio like the folks at National Review, Weekly Standard, or the Washington Post. Those folks are waffly, moderate-leaning, untrustworthy counselors who cannot take an unshakeable stand on anything short of slavery, war, or murder.
Rubio is not a Neo-con. He's very different from those folks. Nor is he part of Rove's Cotton Conservative movement (go read Jeffrey Lord's most excellent column describing those folks). Remember, Rove and the insiders wanted Crist.
Where we mostly have trouble with Rubio is in regard to the Reagan style of Conservatism and also among the Buchananites. This is why I invented the term "Values Conservatives". Rubio is the best example of a Values Conservative that I can think of now. He can articulate like Reagan, but he doesn't accept the challenge of defending Liberty like Reagan did. Rubio is a solid, values conservative, and we need more people like him, especially in congress. His only failing is, sadly, exactly the same failing Romney had: he's not a champion of Restoration. Not so far, at least.
So I think we are wise to worry about the man, especially as the standard-bearer heading into 2016. But I do not want to lose him or his followers just because he isn't a Restoration guy. We'll leave that critical work to Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, and possibly Rand Paul (I'm not convinced Rand's a full-bore Restoration guy, either, but he's closer than Rubio).
(EDIT: I'm not ignoring the other fine folks, like Ted Cruz, et. al. I just don't have Sean Hannity's excellent memory for rattling off lists of names and events. You folks can fill in the blanks here, if you would)
Please join me.
I sent Rand an e-mail requesting that he should submit his rebuttal before OBAMA MAKES HIS SOTU BS speech. Why wait?
Yep we can pretty much predict every word he will say..
So let's stuff it right in his face and jerk the rug right out from under him.
I am certain he would appreciate it....
You will have to go get a KY zip code to make the e-mail go, do that first.
Just pull up KY zip codes and pick one.
Rand should offer up his SOTU rebuttal before Obama even speaks.
We can all pretty much predict what the one shall say...
Why not cut him short/
Yeah rebutt in advance and pull the wind out of his sails.
Rand should offer up his SOTU rebuttal before Obama even speaks.
We can all pretty much predict what the one shall say...
Why not cut him short/
Yeah rebutt in advance and pull the wind out of his sails.
Paul is a Tea Party conservative. Rubio is not.
To be honest, I don't see what makes Rubio a Tea Partier since he got elected. He's for complete amnesty. Even before last year he was for the Arab Spring if we'll remember. He's friends with Jeb, McCain, Graham, and Romney and cautious in actions and speech like the establishment and doesn't really challenge the establishment in either party. I remember him saying Obama had 'good intentions' and haven't heard him threaten the GOP establishment or propose any serious cuts. He's there to sound pretty.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm rambling. I just don't see how Rubio's acted or even sounded like a Tea Partier. He sounds more like a Bushie. Compare him to these other Tea Party guys and he conducts himself quite differently.
Paul's been a fine Senator and he's going to be a nice candidate in 2016, unlike Rubio. I could've seen him make Sharron Angle his running mate if she'd won her race, she would've been an excellent Senator. It's too bad Dingy Harry's illegal votes and the GOP establishment undermining her caused her to lose.
I have absolute confidence he will blow away both the President and Marco Rubio. This man has is without question the smartest man on the political stage. He is also the most articulate man on the political stage. Where his father expresses himself through emotion, and a lack of feel for others, Rand logically and carefully chooses his words.
Although Rand Paul is a good speaker, he is not the smartest man on the political stage. IMO that title goes to Ted Cruz. He has won tough Constitutional cases before the SCOTUS, knows and understands our Constitutional and federal laws much better than Rand Paul. They both understand business and finance.
Rubio has been a Republican investment to influence the conservative vote ever since the primary with Crist. Remember that scandal with Rubio using campaign? funds like Christie.....GOP made it disappear and Crist was left hanging- which is likely why he went Democrat.
After reading many of the comments below, I see why we lost. We're not united and playing an ideological one-upsmanship game with each other. Seems to me, we're going to be wandering in the socialist wilderness for quite some time....unfortunately.
I don't know just yet whether Rand Paul is the right choice for 2016 or not, but right now is the best time for everyone to start working toward that goal. It's good Paul and Rubio are responding to the O's lies and BS (which is all his SOTU ever is). We need to start early and get open discussions and arguments out there for all to see.
Time will tell who will emerge as the best choice, but it certainly has to be someone we believe in, someone we can trust, and someone we are willing to back based on our ideals and core beliefs. No more RINO-propped puppets. No more left-leaning moderates. We go with what we believe in or we don't go at all. It's that simple and we need to make that point early and make it often.
The Republican party had better understand that or get the h*ll out of the way.
Interesting news. I don't remember ever hearing two responses to the SOTU which BTW I do not expect to watch. I'll wait for Scoop to post the videos.
I believe it was Michelle Bachmann that did the tea party response last time. I don't remember who was the Republican response last time, I guess I didn't care much for it.
It was Mitch Daniels. His over the top praise of Obama as a father and husband was absolutely sickening it really over shadowed some of his other remarks which were pretty milk-toasty but still succinct in a few areas. It was pure relief to see him withdraw from running for office. He was McCain, Romney and Dole all wrapped up in one package.
This is great. Two rebuttals for the price of one. Rubio as Republican establishment (for the most part) whereas Rand seems to have taken up the mantle of the Tea Party. In my opinion this is a win win for all of us. I expect Rubio will also give a conservative speech although having it in Spanish grates on my nerves as un-necessary pandering but since liberals have seen to it there's no need to learn English anymore it will probably be helpful.
Look forward to Rand's speech. I'm sure it will not mince words and pander for votes like the Reps are trying to do.
Amy Kremer took a hit today on Twitter. Read her hits she took. People think she has been promised something by the GOP, they are saying what happened to her I thought she was tea party.
Rubio is not listening to what Byron York wrote about today and the study out of Rutgers, and that more Americans are hurting, they Blame Illegals, and they have had enough.
So out of touch.
I maybe missing something, am not a tweeter and I do not know Amy Kremer but if she tweeted this, I can hardly take her seriously.
"This is a victory for the #TeaParty movement for @marcorubio to be giving the official GOP response to the SOTU! I am truly excited! "
Blame Illegals, and they have had enough
Of course!! - they are a major drain on our courts, our insurance, our schools, our Medicaid, our hospitals! The data is there. The emotion is there. It is a keg worth lighting.
Damn this is exactly what the left does but they target innocent victims.
Freeze our target!
New poll shows majority of Americans want illegals returned to home country. Strong belief to deport.
Here's a run-down on Rand Paul's Heritage speech, which had some disturbing points:
"Rand Paul delivered his big Heritage foreign policy speech which consisted of
1. Conceding that Islamic terrorism exists and it's a large minority, not a tiny minority, and that it exists even apart from American foreign policy.
The first half of that would be a big admission from any American Senator and the second half is important from the Camp of Paul, which insists that terrorism is blowback. It's probably the most significant thing he has said on foreign policy so far.
2. Dismissing the threat of an Iranian nuke
3. Urging that we do less and take some sort of middle path that isn't rash or reckless
4. Attacking military spending
5. Promoting Reagan as a moderate for being willing to sit down with the USSR.
6. Slobbering all over George F. Kennan and proposing a containment of "Radical Islam" in some general sense.
7. Claiming falsely that the United States funded Bin Laden
8. Not actually laying out much in the way of a foreign policy.
"I recognize that foreign policy is complicated. It is inherently less black and white to most people than domestic policy. I think there is room for a foreign policy that strikes a balance," Paul said.
This is ironically almost exactly Kerry's reply to Paul's question about providing F16's to the Muslim Brotherhood.
"Not everything, and this is always the complication in dealings with the international sector, not everything lends itself to a simple clarity, black white, this that, every time,” Kerry replied to Paul.
That's the trouble with foreign policy nuance.
It's easy to sound very enlightened by repeating truisms like "it's not all black and white" truisms, but that doesn't define the point at which things do become black and white. And that's the point that truly matters."
(h/t Dan Greenfield - http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/rand-pauls-obama-foreign-policy/)
Your link is not working Fitz. here it is
Not good. Paul's got a lot of work to do. The reality is that what we have ahead of us, is an ugly fight.
It is absolutely clear to me that the GOP is part and parcel of America's submission to the global Progressives.
Conservatives, Libertarians and the Tea Party have no home in the Republican Party - we need only look at what it did to Allen West and Sarah Palin.
JOIN, OR DIE
Rand Paul is far superior to West or Gov. Palin, for instance he just delivered a speech without notes for 20 minutes with several references at Heritage on foreign policy. None of those could do that
Rand Paul has never been in the military unlike Allen West. Rand Paul has never lead anyone in the military, unlike Allen West. Allen West understands the threats to our national security because of his experience.
Allen West has given numerous speeches without ever having notes to speak from. Both he and Sarah Palin speak eloquently, intelligently and in a way that people can understand and relate to their messages.
Just out from Breitbart, Allen West has Unquestionable Fundraising ability. http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/02/10/Allen-West-Unquestionable-Fundraising-Ablility
Sarah Palin is a tremendous force. She got behind Ted Cruz and overcame the establishment that wanted someone else as US Senator for TX.
Rand Paul ran on the Republican ticket although he is clearly a Libertarian. Allen West and Sarah Palin ran as the conservatives they truly are. Either of them would be great at POTUS or VP.
He is smarter. That doesn't necessarily mean he is a better leader. Take a look at Ron Paul, he is very smart, but his adherence to an ideology cripples his ability to lead. Sarah Palin is beyond every other politician in this country to have the 'average' American believe she will govern in the manner that is beneficial to them. Notice I didn't say 'Educated' Americans, because they believe Palin can't bring anything to the table that would interest them. They are already winning the game, and are happy with the status quo. They want to be led by someone their equal: thus their willingness to vote for a Hillary Clinton, even though they know she is corrupt and Incompetent. By announcing that your for an EDUCATED Elite, you are permitted to be in their presence. That is how the game is played.
Because Rand Paul gave a long speech without note cards he's "far superior" than West or Palin. Look, I'm not a big Palin fan but West is quite accomplished and would be an excellent president.
Is the Republican Party deliberately sacrificing itself for the final phase of the global Progressive agenda?
Rubio championing Amnesty, makes no sense no matter how the GOP and Time Magazine try to spin it. It will tear apart the Republican Party. So why is he doing it?
Cambrian Dissenter writes of a not-so coincidental similarity in "Conservative" PM David Cameron's railroading of homosexual marriage, despite major damage to his Party.
A.....ComRes poll indicated that the marriage issue was not a priority for the majority of homosexuals, less than half said the opportunity to get married was important, only 27% said they would avail themselves of the opportunity to get married. That's 27% of 4.2% of the population.
The same poll claimed that 70% of the British people agreed with the Church that the definition of marriage should be left alone........but actions speak louder than statistics and it has been reported that membership of the Conservative Party has dropped from around 250,000 when Cameron became leader to 150,000 today.
Cameron's own MP's are predicting that after this vote, 10% of the remaining number will lost this week alone.
As these repercussions were known in advance and coupled with the fact that Cameron is attacking his own MP's as bigots and out of touch, it would appear that he is deliberately trying to destroy his own party.
Traditionally, politicians were chosen from the community, by the community, to represent the community. These have been replaced by career politicians who are chosen or approved by remote party machines to impose their particular agenda on the people whether the people agree to it or not.
They are incapable of independent thought and can only speak in slogans and soundbites which are given to them by the party whips at the start of each day.
Advances in technology have enabled politicians from all countries to meet and communicate on a regular basis allowing those with a similar ideology to act globally and with the advent of the United Nations the global 'progressive' movement was born.The global Progressive movement cannot be sustained without leveling America and destroying the Consitution. Amnesty and open borders will bring us down.
It is becoming increasingly clear that the GOP is the Progressive Republican Party.
This is good news, this could be the beginning of conservatives moving away from the damaged brand of "republican". We already have a traditional liberal republican Karl Rove who disparages conservatives like they are another party anyway. So, what is stopping the TEA party vessel from moving away from the sinking ship called the Republican Party.
I've a feeling the Libertarian Party is part of that. Say what we like about Ron Paul, he has campaign and party machinery in place.
yep and the machine built between 2007-2012 by Ron Paul will be activated in Iowa, NH and SC for Rand Paul. BRING IT MARCO!
The sad truth is that Rubio nor Rove understand that just as the Republicans did not get the credit due or future support that they deserved when they helped to pass the landmark civi rights legislation in a much higher percentage than did the dems (around 80% yea vote vs mid 60% dem vote), they will not get any credit for anything on immigration if it is passed under a democratic administrarion. The fools will still step into this well laid out trap. As an AA who marched with MLK and was in tune with this history my hats off and respect have always been for the repubs more so than the dems. Thank you Dirksen (rebub minority leader), Percy (repub senator from IL) and others. My race should have been eternally grateful but we decided to worship at the alter of the racist democrats.
I agree. The repub party as it is is dead to me. My thought is that
I would rather lose by voting or not voting on principle than vote for another rino squish. The repub rinos and the leftie dems are two sides of the same coin. I would rather vote for a conservative candidate from a third party and lose than vote repub again. And I am sorry folks, but
Rubio is not the one. It is insulting that the repubs do absolutely nothing about massive voter fraud that is stealing elections for the democrats, however, throw a hispanic out there thinking they are going
to get that vote. How dumb do they think we are?
At this point I will cast my lot with those who want to restore liberty. The Republican Party has cast its lot with the globalists who are bleeding it to death.
We have to be organized. We need leadership. That will not be found in the GOP. It is the right arm of the Progressive movement.
I need no more proof than to have watched my part of 40 years destroy West and Palin, then I see them put Rubio front and center to push the poison pill of Amnesty.
Disgusting. I am done with them.
I thought of that too. Ron Paul has quite a few supporters; many are nutjobs, however, remember that they too vote. And many are young, 18-30