Religion of peace kills 39 Christians in Nigeria

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(CBN NEWS) – LAGOS, Nigeria – Terror attacks across Nigeria by a radical Muslim sect killed at least 39 people Sunday, with the majority dying on the steps of a Catholic church after celebrating Christmas Mass as blood pooled in dust from a massive explosion.

Authorities acknowledged they could not bring enough emergency medical personnel to care for the wounded outside St. Theresa Catholic Church in Madalla near Nigeria’s capital. Elsewhere, a bomb exploded amid gunfire in the central Nigeria city of Jos and a suicide car bomber attacked the military in the nation’s northeast as part of an apparently coordinated assault by the sect known as Boko Haram.

The first explosion on Sunday struck St. Theresa Catholic Church just after 8 a.m. The attack killed 35 people and wounded another 52, said Slaku Luguard, a coordinator with Nigeria’s National Emergency Management Agency.

Though billions of dollars of oil money flow into the nation’s budget yearly, Luguard’s agency could only send text messages to journalists asking for their help in getting more ambulances.

Those wounded filled the cement floors of a nearby government hospital, with television images showing them crying in pools of their own blood. Corpses lined an open-air morgue.

The bombing and the delayed response drew anger from those gathering around the church after the blast. The crowd initially blocked emergency workers from the blast site, only allowing them in after soldiers arrived.

“We’re trying to calm the situation,” Luguard said. “There are some angry people around trying to cause problems.”

In Jos, a second explosion struck near the Mountain of Fire and Miracles Church, state government spokesman Pam Ayuba said. Gunmen later opened fire on police guarding the area, killing one officer, he said. Two other locally made explosives were found in a nearby building and disarmed.

By noon Sunday, explosions echoed through the streets of Damaturu, the capital of Yobe state where fighting between security forces and the sect already had killed at least 61 people in recent days. The most serious attack on Sunday came when a suicide bomber detonated a car loaded with explosives at the state headquarters of Nigeria’s secret police, the State Security Service.

The bomber killed three people in the blast, though the senior military commander apparently targeted survived the attack, the State Security Service said in a statement.

After the bombings, a Boko Haram spokesman using the nom de guerre Abul-Qaqa claimed responsibility for the attacks in an interview with The Daily Trust, the newspaper of record across Nigeria’s Muslim north. The sect has used the newspaper in the past to communicate with public.

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  • Maxsteele

    Yep, and guess what nation was amongst the first to offer emergency relief–Israel. (Psst, don’t tell Ron Paul cause he may find out the truth that these poor victims brought it on themselves)

    • So what… now we’re supposed to go to war in Nigeria? Um… ever since Stephen in 1st Century, Christians have always been attacked. And according to Jesus, Christians will always be attacked. Really, is it our job to police the world? After looking at the debt clock, can we afford to continue policing the world?

      • Anonymous

        If you stand for freedom, you continue to police the world! Our current financial straights are not related to defense spending as much as lining politician’s pockets and those of their friends.

      • Joe

        We need a leader – with a pair – to take a stand
        in this situation

        Drones would be very effective in these crap laden countries

      • The anti-humanity sentiment is strong in this one.

        • Anonymous

          I wonder if this administration would feel differently if the population murdered were moslems?

      • Anonymous

        So what you say? Your thinking is twisted if you don’t see the assault on Christians as a problem.

        It IS not be our job to police the world NOR is it our responsibility to subsidize them!

        Perhaps if we cut them off financially they would treat Christians with the respect they deserve.
        In 2007 Nigeria got 19 million of our tax dollars. And rest assure obama is giving them even more now. 336,053,916 million to be exact.

      • Maxsteele

        How can you infer by my post that I am promoting that the US goes into Nigeria? As all paulbots you make up your own debate when the real one does not fit into your fantasy world.
        What I was making reference to was how your glorious leader maintains that the victims of terrorism bring such on themselves. As in he blames the USA for 9/11 while ignoring the thousands of terrorist attacks that have happened throughout the world prior to and since 9/11. He completely ignores reality to fit facts into his erroneous argument, as you just have with regards to my post. Should the USA go into Nigeria? Militarily, of course not. Yet, as a virtuous nation it should offer aid to those in need as Israel has. With regards to policing the world, the vacuum will be filled by another nation and who would you rather be the great power in the world?

  • Anonymous

    Issued from CAIR drawer of standard response letters to incidents of islamic terrorism:

    This has nothing to do with Islam. Islam is a religion of peace. We condemn this act of Terrorism. What about timothy mcveigh.

    • StNikao

      They are playing ‘good cop’ to the Islamic terrorist ‘bad cop’.

      Works every time with the spiritually blind liberals.

    • Anonymous

      -Matthew 5:39


      -47:4 Surah

      This comparison says it all.

  • David Boyes

    my birthplace, lived there went to school there am very saddened, can I ever go back?? I wish … very sad…….

    • Anonymous

      David — What is it like for Christians in Nigeria? Do they not organize to defend themselves? Do they not wall off their neighborhoods? Refuse to patronize Muslim shops? What is it like to be dominated by a people with a religion that despises you?

      I have heard you urge Americans to defeat the tyrant in the WH or we will “get what we deserve.” I can understand what you say about your birthplace, but what should have been done by decent Nigerians to prevent the current situation? In no uncertain terms, what are Americans who love freedom, who tolerate religious and racial differences, facing now? What will we face if Sharia become law? If tyrant remain in office? I believe that you may have valuable perspective to share with your new, adopted family.

  • I’m not a big on military intervention, but Obama has us running around Africa looking for a guy that doesn’t add up to a hill of monkey sh*t, in terms of national security. He’s at least an admirer of militant black supremacists, and yet when he has his chance to do something significant along those lines, where is he? He cried a river about Port Au Prince, and didn’t do much more than show up there for a photo-op. He’s ignored Darfur, and now I’m quite sure he’s ignoring the situation in Nigeria. We have an absolute incompetent for a president, though I’m sure everybody here already knew that. If he wants to play black militant and “hey look, I’m a Christian”, then execute a covert and clandestine operation by sending in a Ranger team to hunt down and kill all members of Boko Haram they can sight down, or draw a knife on. Use USAMI Psy-Ops to make it look like a rival muslim group is killing them off for not being muslim, enough, or something. I’m a firm believer in the domino effect, and that, to me, is precisely what we’re looking at, right now. Instead of seeing the red flag popping up over nation after nation, we’re seeing the green one, and Obama is seemingly going out of his way to do nothing about it.

  • Anonymous

    A few prisoners in Iraq get humiliated and virtually the entire world of 6th century troglodyte barbarians go bizerk murdering hundreds of innocent people. 39 Christians are killed on Christmas, and we are supposed to roll over and play dead. I say enough, until I see some reciprocity and action in the Muslim world, they are all culpable.

    And to their western enablers, that have blood on their hands, put up or shut up. If you think this is no big deal, then you should switch places with those living under the sharia guided Muslim insanity. Maybe your perspective would change when it is your family threatened, hopefully before they wipe out your family.

    • Anonymous

      Islam was not invented until the 7th century.

      • Anonymous

        According to whom you read it was between 590 and 610 AD when Muhammad founded his religion of murder. But, why split hairs when you can justify the splitting people’s heads from their bodies at the neck and be promised paradise?

        • Anonymous

          Born in 570, first “revelation” at the age of 40. That would be 610.

          7th century.

          • Anonymous

            That is the standard Wiki answer, other sources I have read place the date earlier some later. Even his birth date is unknown to this level of precision to differentiate between the two centuries. Given the state of affairs at time and the general inaccuracy of the many calendar systems, no less their synchronicity, this is a moot point. Suffice it to say the general gist of the comment was that these barbarians want to take us back to that time. I prefer to have the amenities of the 21st century, even though the same argument applies to my characterization of this century.

            • Anonymous

              It seems that our barbarism hasn’t changed much, just the technology. It could be argued that war drives technology, therefor barbarism furthers itself in to a greater propensity for destruction.

              Barbarism being a human trait, just exemplifies the human condition as one that is inherently sinful. If we could solve our own problems, we would have no need for a savior.

              Without the need for a Savior, we would be lost in our sin forever. Therefor barbarism leads to salvation. All things work together for those who love God.

              • Anonymous


                My meaning for the word Barbarism in in relation to the lack of civilization. More specifically the desire to return to a more primal state, in which a group uses a system that is no longer tolerated, or condoned by society in general. I would submit that barbarism leads not to salvation, but away from the truth and the light. It is in fact rejecting the salvation, and substituting a false idol of carnal pleasure. Yes, all of us are lost in sin, but not all of us accept the grace of God for forgiveness, and salvation. Unfortunately, if the trend continues here and abroad, the message will be squelched, to the detriment of souls.

                • Anonymous

                  I don’t think that we disagree, we are just giving a different perspective. I believe as the world gets worse and worse, that many more will be saved because of it. The bible says that there will be a great revival in the end times. As we know, when we have it good, we don’t look to God, but when times are desperate, we humble ourselves and seek our Creator for help. For some, pride will melt away, allowing them to hear the call of God, and for others, as did Pharaoh, they will harden their hearts. When the church is gone, so will be the Holy Spirit and man’s heart will wax hard. So then will be the tribulation of seven years. For three and a half years, things will get better, but then comes the abomination of desolation, and the world will be turned on its head.

                  Israel will strike a peace agreement, but the whole world will turn against her. There will be a great battle in the valley of Miggedo. Fiery birds of the air will just fall out of the sky. Men in special clothing will place markers next to the dead. The dead will lay there for six months before they can be touched.

                  Before all of this, we will have a one world government, and a one world currency. A one world religion will emerge as well. Humanity will look to these world powers for their salvation, and be deceived by them. Though men will establish this order, Satan will be behind it, guiding it, and manipulation mankind with it. Billions will die from famine and pestilence. This will not come about in a natural way, but will be brought on by this world order to control the masses, and they will fall right into their hands. Do not be fooled by the great deceiver, and liar, for he is the angel of light, Lucifer. He will declare, one day, to be God Himself, and in the temple of God in Jerusalem. Even the elect will have been deceived.

                  We should not believe those who would throw us to the wolves, and help create this one world order. Those who defend man made climate change, social justice, taxation for world domination, the military industrial complex, preemptive war, loss of liberty, the great prostitute (banker bailouts), the IMF, corporate cronyism for corporate domination of world resources, the WTO, the UN, and many other things that serve this system.

                  Though we will not stop it, we must not cast our vote for it. We must be diligent and not be deceived. If these wars serve their purposes, we must vote to bring them home. If the people are dependent on this great prostitute, we must vote to end the central banking system. If our freedoms are being lost, we must not vote to support it in any way. If our taxes are used to further this cause, we must vote to end taxation. If the debt will enslave us to this system, we must vote to end debt spending quickly.

                  If Christians want to stand for something real, we can no longer vote for the lesser of two evils. Any vote for evil, is assisting the devil. We cannot save the world, but we can hold out as long as possible to be a real force for good.

            • Anonymous

              It’s the standard Encyclopedia Britannica answer too.

              Both the birthdate and the 7th century thing.

              Who differs from this?

  • We Christians need to stand up for our faith or we will end up having our religious freedoms taken away. Worse yet, the cowardice of the Communist Zombies to stand up to Radical Islam™ will only lead to more of this kind of violence.

    I wonder if brilliant physicist Rosie O’Donnell is outraged over this. Nope.

    Let us not forget that Pastor Nadarkhani continues to face the death penalty for having become a Christian in Iran.

  • Again. This will come more and more, and the world will turn away. For now, there are empty words of sympathy from many “leaders”- kind of like that pathetic one by dear leader last Christmas when peacefull muslims bombed the coptic church in Egypt- and dear leader had the nerve to send out his condolenses to “muslims and christians”?! he knows darned well that any muslim caught near a Christ believing church would be the one to strap the bomb to themselves. Soon, there will not even be the empty words. There will only be scorn and more persecution… just like has been the case with Israel. The world hates those who do not belong to the world.

    I hate this. I can’t stand this. But I do expect this. Watching Christian persecution around the world for the past 15 years, and every year it’s getting worse. The majority of it is islam, but there are plenty of other groups doing it as well. Jesus warned us, that we who belong to Him would be treated this way.. and persecution is and will be more intense as His time draws closer. Pray for the Christian church.. pray for the survivors that they would show love to their enemies. As heart breaking as this kind of thing is, we can be assured that those who were murdered because of their love and faith in Christ, are with Him now, and that is an awesome Christmas gift.

  • Anonymous

    Although we cannot have another crusade, we should be at least arming these people so that they can defend themselves. If you want to live there, be prepared to defend your life. Christians carrying guns for protection against Islam is a righteous thing. If you cannot protect yourself, due to their laws, then get out and let them fight each other over what sect is right. If you want to be a missionary, then you take the risk. Since we cannot occupy every country in the world, we should do what we can, and let them be. If we want to stop this kind of thing to help in a humanitarian way, then declare war, target Islamist’, wipe them out, and then leave. If they still have the ability to do it, go back, wipe them out, then leave. Eventually Islamist’ will have few supporters and non-Islamist’ will be in the majority, armed and ready to defend themselves.

    • Anonymous

      “If we want to stop this kind of thing to help in a humanitarian way, then declare war, target Islamist’, wipe them out, and then leave. If they still have the ability to do it, go back, wipe them out, then leave.”

      Isn’t that what Saddam did to the Kurds in the North and the Sunni in the South of Iraq? It’s not the Christian way.

      The problem is not only Islam, but all anti-Christians. Christians are becoming a minority to be persecuted. I feel the prophesies speak of this and I’m not sure we can reverse it prior to the Second coming of Christ.

      Only time will tell when the ID wrist-chips will be forced to be implanted in order for us to be forced to do all that the government wants. I personally don’t believe we can change prophesy, so I will be one who continues to profess my Christian belief, refuses the chips and live off the grid. Call me wacko, but the end times ARE near. God help and protect us all in these coming times.

      • You’re not wacko Nukefriend! You could read the Bible and the day’s new’s headlines and try to figure which is which. Maybe it’s my love of happy endings, but I for one do not believe Christian believers will be around when the really bad stuff starts up.

        • Anonymous

          The most important thing is to never give up our faith. That is the only way, no matter what happens.

      • Anonymous

        You are correct, I must admit. I was angered by this news, and the first response is how to stop it. We cannot stop all of the suffering of the world. When we do, we usually do more harm than good.

        We are in the end times. We have seen the great prostitute of Revelations. Though I believe that the world will likely see many bad things before Christ returns for His church, I agree with AborninCan. We may see the implementation of such things as the Mark, but it will not be forced until the Anti-Christ comes on the scene, and after the church is gone.

        the great prostitute being the world financial system, will soon destroy our lives as we know them. Our dependence on her is a an affront to God, as we should only be dependent on Him.

        Christians have been deceived as was prophesied “even the elect would be deceived”. We must repent, be diligent and watch for these things. We will know the season, though not the day or the hour. The season is upon us as is the sun on a hot summer day. The earth is experiencing its birth pains, and the days are short for Satan and his demons. They know this, and will wreak havoc on the earth until the destruction of this world is near.

        Yet we can take heart that there will be a new earth, and a new heaven, and Christ will reign upon the earth for one thousand years, until Satan is released once again. Those who stand with righteousness will enter the New Jerusalem.

        Though we must live in the flesh and battle these powers and principalities, we can also know that our Lord is returning to take us home, and then return with Him to rule and reign on the earth for this thousand years.

        This life is but a spec of dust in the vastness of eternity, and so we should put into perspective the insignificance of this life, while recognizing the significance of life. We should not strive to save this world, for it would be fighting God Himself.

        Therefor we should stand for truth and justice, righteousness and love, for all things are dead where love is not present. No child would survive without the love of its mother, and no soul will survive without the love of God, for God is love, and He holds all things together. All things can be used for good for those who love God.

        I pray that we will extend our love to the world, and show them who our God is, that they may turn from their false gods, and know Him who sent His Son to save the world, for He does not condemn the world, but the world can only condemn itself.

        • Anonymous


      • Anonymous

        Just a side note. I will be off the grid by next fall, if God allows. I am food self sufficient, and will be energy self sufficient by then. God gives us the knowledge, and the ability, so we should take advantage. If we were taken tonight, I would not count my efforts useless, for others might have use of them.

    • Anonymous

      We don’t have to go to war with them all we need to do it cut them off financially and stop all aid.

  • Joe

    Islam IS NOT peaceful – PERIOD

    I never hear or see any clerics forcefully condemn all the violence that occurs every day

    Once in a while some cleric says something – only rarely

    “They” are very intolerant of insults against them – but ask tolerance if
    they offend us – an example is that BS “mosque” by the Twin Towers disaster

    From Pat Condell >>>>

    Captain Obvious here

    • Joe

      BY THE WAY

      I heard there are a few “fellows” in NY who vow to open a PORK STORE and a BISEXUAL STRIP CLUB proximate to the “mosque” if it goes up.

      Open 24/7

      • Anonymous

        Is this to offend the Jews, as well as the Muslims? lol I hope not.

        • Joe

          Of course not –

          I think a Kosher shop could be on the opposite end of the block thereby
          closing off the entire block

          • Anonymous

            It’s really funny! I heard that in the protest against the Mosque in NYC that many protesters brought ham sandwiches with them, I don’t know if that’s true.

            • Joe


              Also talk of sprinkling pig’s blood on the site –

              The ground would be desecrated

              That is the simplest way

      • Anonymous

        LOL! Is that true?

  • Anonymous


  • KenInMontana

    Africa, “the bloody basin”. Sadly this is a never ending cycle in Africa.

    • Anonymous

      The harvest is truly great, but the workers are few. Therefor pray to the Lord of the harvest, to send out workers into His harvest.

      It may be that some of these were some of those who were sent.

    • Anonymous

      Yes, it is very sad.

  • DCGere

    How utterly sad. And the outrage from the “moderate” Muslims is…”crickets”. Just sickening really. Prayers for these people that were killed.

    • Anonymous

      Paul said “to live is Christ, and to die is gain”. If these people knew the King, they have gained, and are praying for us in heaven. Though our prayers may go out for the living, such as the ones left behind, they would be wasted for those who have gained, or lost, in the spiritual realm of eternity.

  • Anonymous

    Islam, the religion of the coward.

  • StNikao

    Islam hates Christmas and Christians, because they remind them that their system cannot and will not bring God’s JOY to the world or or God’s Peace and Good Will or freedom or forgiveness or grace or mercy or justice or all the Fruit of the Holy Spirit to all human beings, male, female, young, poor, rich, friends, enemies, strangers, aliens… rather, their system produces and does the polar opposite.

  • Anonymous

    These type of events happen around the world so often that I have become numb to the reports. I am saddened by my own lack of anger. Only when an American is involved do I become outraged. I’m wondering why. Self preservation maybe?

    • Joe

      NO – Selfishness

    • Anonymous

      I think many people are becoming desensitized to discrimination and violence against Christians because they feel that it does not effect them or their families.

      However,perhaps, you and others with your perspective, can learn from history before it is too late.

      When the Nazis came for the communists,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a communist.

      When they locked up the social democrats,
      I remained silent;
      I was not a social democrat.

      When they came for the trade unionists,
      I did not speak out;
      I was not a trade unionist.

      When they came for the Jews,
      I remained silent;
      I wasn’t a Jew.

      When they came for me,
      there was no one left to speak out.

      -Martin Niemöller

  • “If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first.
    John 15:18

    All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.
    Matthew 10:22

    The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. John 7:7

    Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.
    1 John 3:13

    The scriptures are clear-we must go through hardships to enter the the kingdom of God

    • Anonymous

      While we cannot stop those who have been warned and still submit to their oppressors, we must warn them and we cannot remain silent in our knowledge of what awaits them……

      Proverbs 24:11 Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.

      Ezekiel 33 ” ‘But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’

      We must not let ourselves be led like sheep to slaughter. We cannot stand by while other Christians are corralled and slaughtered who do not have the voice, knowledge and defensive strength that we have been blessed with.

      Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked……..

      We can no longer stand by and participate while global powers like the UN and their local henchmen deceive us and force Christians to surrender their tools of self defense.

      While the New Testaments scriptures foretell of persecution, hate and injustice they do not at the same time forego our self defense or the defense of those who cannot defend themselves. They do not remove our obligation to shine a light on evil or to fight it. I am not talking of offensive violence. We have been blessed with many tools especially those to expose the truth and defend those who do so. Our elected leaders and their oracle of media are using our goodwill, our power, our tools our money to disguise evil and to deceive those who are weaker that they.

      Nehemiah 4:14: “Do not be afraid of them; remember the Lord who is great and awesome, and fight for your brothers, your sons, your daughters, your wives, and your houses…. 20 “At whatever place you hear the sound of the trumpet, rally to us there. Our God will fight for us.”

      We must do all we can with the tools of truth, insight and self defense that God has given us, but in the end revenge will be his.

      Rom 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord.

  • Anonymous

    I gave up thinking the world would care about Muslim aggression the day the seize at Beslan ended. If that wasn’t enough to open peoples eyes to the truth about Islam nothing else they do ever will be. Iran could get nuclear weapons, destroy Israel and most of the region, and people in the West will still defend it.

    The truth is that Islam has already won. Christianity is our only hope and so it’s hopeless. The West has done such a great job of putting Christianity on the defensive that it’s defenseless. It will take a Crusade and we’re fresh out of Crusaders.

    • Anonymous

      Not so Jaynie. There is one left, the likes of which we have never seen before.

      “He [Jesus] will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. … We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.”

      • Anonymous

        What the f*ck is he waiting for? How many little kids need to be shot in the back before this god of yours gets fed up enough to do something about it?

        Never mind. It’s been 1600 years since Mohammed decided to make up his own god and that seems to be just fine and dandy with the real one you believe in.

        • Anonymous

          He has given us all the knowledge and tools we need. We have failed to act.

        • Anonymous

          Everybody believes in the same God. We just don’t know it. Mohammed’s God is my God, as well as everybody else’s God. Even those that profess to believe in no God, have God in them. Just because we don’t know the purpose of God’s ways, doesn’t mean they are wrong.

          Earth is a training ground for our souls. Those children that are taken at an early age, while tragic to us, are blessed in God’s love after they are taken. They may well have been more deserving to be with him than you or I. We must travail on this mortal coil a while longer.

          God Bless you this Christmas season and may His plan be shown to all of us soon.

          • Anonymous

            Are you insane? I haven’t seen a statement this dumb in quite a while.

            Take your first paragraph and toss in the garbage. It’s pure trash.

            • Anonymous

              Thank you. You beat me to it.

              If Mohammed’s god is your god, I hope you enjoy warmer climates.

            • Anonymous

              I feel you misunderstand me. I believe in a Christian God with Jesus as His Son. Mankind has always twisted things to fit their own purposes. God rules all men, whether they try to disavow Him or try to come up with a separate religion of their own. That is only blind man acting through ignorance. It is still God that rules us all.

              I am sorry if my words were not clear enough.

              • Anonymous

                “Mohammed’s God is my God, as well as everybody else’s God.” (Nukemann)

                No. Your words were crystal clear and blatantly untrue.

                • Anonymous

                  Ya, I can see what you are saying. I said it wrong. All men are children of God, in my opinion. Bill Maher (the piece of dirt) is a child of God, even though he has rejected the notion. Islam is a false religion, in my view, but they are still children of God (my God). Once again, I apologize for misstating the point.

                • Anonymous

                  No, you’re still wrong sir. Bigtime.

                  John 8:42-45

                  “Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!”

                  I’m not the one to apologize to. You haven’t blasphemed me. You have blasphemed God, the Father and God the Son.

                • Anonymous

                  I know you mean well. You need to study more before saying stuff. They are not His chidren. They are His creation, but not His children.

                  While God is their judge! He is our Father. When we sin we do so as He is our Father. Romans 8:14-16. So He will judge them as their creator. He will judge our sins as a Father.

                • Anonymous

                  I see your point. But then, can we not ever try to get any of them to see the light? Are they lost from the beginning?

                • Anonymous

                  They are lost until they repent. Truly repent. To understand the nature of sin (and the differences) we must understand the nature of repentance (and the differences). Repentance for the believer is different than repentance for the unbeliever. My nature is a relationship with God. I know what I should be doing and not be doing (“though sin is never far away”) The Voice Romans 7:21. Some translations say “though sin is right there with me.”) The unbeliever’s nature is his relationship with sin. I am a slave to God. He is a slave to sin.

                  When we sin we are going against our nature (the spirit that is guiding us. Romans 6:1-2) see also 2 Peter 1:4 CEV “God made great and marvelous promises, so that his nature would become part of us. Then we could escape our evil desires and the corrupt influences of this world”. When they sin they sin according to their nature (Romans 8-5). So repentance for us would not be to change our nature, but to conform our attitudes and actions to our true spirit nature. Continually shaping ourselves to look and live like Him. Growing, learning, etc (WWJD). For the unbeliever repentance must be evidence of a change in nature. For both people it all starts inward (in the heart). It is there where the war starts and is continually waged.

                • Anonymous

                  God’s foreknowledge is not causative.

                  We can not only try, we can succeed.

                • Anonymous

                  Regarding Ishmael:

                  Genesis 16:12 “And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him”.

                  The Bible called Ishmael a wild man; the Koran called him messenger and a prophet. Big difference.

                • Nukefriend, I’ve been reading all of these and I do believe you know what the others are saying, and all make valid points. Rshill and Goldni are correct, in that we are all created by God, but we are not all His children. I can’t say that all other gods are demons, but they all have the same source, and that is Satan who plants false ideas and spreads false gospels (with just enough truth to make the lies more believeable). I believe in some predestination, but not so that everyone is predestined whether to believe or not in Christ. Some will obviously remain lost due to pride (where fear, stubborness and anger stem from), but there are many who will come to faith and see the light of the truth- but we must keep shining that light! Some may be blinded to it because it’s so bright they close their eyes, but even then, they will eventually squint and see 😉

                • Anonymous

                  Thank you. I was truly not trying to justify other false gods, but to say there is only one true God and He rules over all of us, which is what I believe. I don’t have the knowledge of the scriptures as many on this site do, but I was merely attempting (and failing) to say that. For the firestorm that I created, I am truly sorry. It pains me greatly that anyone would think of me as less than Christian.

                • Anonymous

                  You’re fine buddy. I am learning everyday too. Believe me, I stick my foot in my mouth often. Keep reading, studying and learning. I love Timothy Keller. Anything by him is awesome (and not overly scholarily). I also read a book by a guy named Mike Yaconelli called Messy Spirituality. He died in a car accident a few years ago. Awesome..easy to read book. Short favorite kind! I can’t say I agree with all of it, but there were parts that really made me get that funny felling inside..if you know what I mean. -cheers 🙂

                • Anonymous

                  Thanks. I’ve written those down and will pursue.

                • I admit for a minute there I was shaking my head, but that’s why I didn’t reply at first. I wanted to see what you thought after reading the others. We’re all learning Nukefriend, some of us are farther along than others- it’s a life long process, but what’s important is that we are willing to learn. 😀

                • I just thought of a couple of resources for you too Nukefriend, one’s that have helped me over the years. One is a free download Bible (King James) which has Greek and Hebrew meanings for all the words- it’s excellent. It helps too because along the side, you can click on any book of the Bible, and whatever verse to look up. It’s got all sorts of things which are helpful for all learning stages.
                  And also check out Ravi Zacharius both on you tube and his webpage. He’s an excellent apologetist, and has a lot of information about other religions, atheism and humanists. He’s great! Just Thinking Let My People Think (this is excellent!)
                  And Ravi’s popular questions and answers- these are GREAT!

                  Hope this helps!!

                • Anonymous

                  Thanks for the sites. I appreciate it and will check them out.

                • Anonymous

                  Great Post, ABC.

                • Anonymous

                  I don’t think less of you. If I was overtly harsh, I apologize. I was just trying to correct an error or two. I take it all quite seriously.

                  If I were talking about nuclear energy, or something else you’re very proficient in, you could correct me.

                  The sword is back in the scabbard and I am breathing deeply 🙂

                • Anonymous

                  One of the reasons I love this site is because I learn so much about politics and religion, from people like you. Keep putting me in my place when I type something stupid.

                  I will go have a cup of coffee now to get my brain up to speed with my fingers. I will be sure to double read what I type from now on, to be sure it says what I want it to say and not come out completely backwards of what I meant. Thanks.

                • Anonymous

                  R, it takes a big person to admit their mistakes. Bravo to you!

                • Anonymous

                  We can pray for them, N.

              • Anonymous

                Yes I kinda of took it that way because unfortunately the notions of a kind benevolent God of all religions a fine line that the secularists push on us.

                While I am no scholar, I will say that although Mohammed may have lived in the light of the same God as I do, the word of God which he scribed could not be of the same.

                Mohammed in his day was nothing more than a Jim Jones – a common criminal until he figured out that he could convince murders, rapists, thieves and plunderers that Jesus was not the son of God and that God spoke the true word, only to him, Mohammed. His followers took well to the notion that they did not have to worry about going to hell anymore because they were then killing, raping, stealing and plundering in the name of God.

              • Anonymous

                It’s OK nukeman, we all sometimes say things in a way that does not convey our true thoughts.

          • Anonymous
            • Anonymous

              No, I don’t believe any false god is the same as our Christian God . I typed my comment poorly and it came out 180 of what I meant. Sorry.

              I did not go back and edit it, as I deserve the rebuke I’m sure to get for the next several days.

              • No more rebukes, at least not by this duck! 😀

                • Anonymous

                  I downloaded e-sword. Thanks for the link. I’m anxious to use it.

                • YAY! You’ll be glad you did!!! I’ll pray that His Word is made crystal clear to you, and that He will lead you to places you need to go. I know He leads me to some amazing verses sometimes!

        • Anonymous

          Wow, you folks sure play fast and loose with facts. 1600 years???
          You’re off by approximately 2 centuries! Good grief.

          While you’re at it, please spare us your God hating. When Jesus does come, you will be left behind, so don’t worry about it. You can coexist with the Muslims and atheists. Learn to love it now. Dingbat.

          • Anonymous

            Christians can co-exist but not sure Muslims and Atheists have the same inclination these days.

            • Anonymous

              Right, which is precisely why you don’t want to be left with them. Yikes.

              • Anonymous

                OMG! LOL! You are right again, R.

        • Anonymous

          Probe Ministries
          A (Not So) Brief Defense of Christianity
          Jimmy Williams

    • Anonymous

      People’s eyes have not been opened. I would say less than one thousandth of one percent of people in the free world even know that Beslan was muslim aggression.

      How many Christians know that it was muslims who filled Hagia Sophia with the blood of Christians? How many even know of the Armenian genocide in the name of allah?

      Few Christians know that islam has exterminated tens of millions of people for simply refusing to accept allah, and still do today. Yet nearly every Christan will apologize profusely for the Crusaders and Knights of Templar who killed but a thousand or so ruthless mulsim rapists, thieves and murderers.

      Our history books omit it. Our media whitewashes it. Our churches ignore it.

      No our eyes have not been opened. A comforting sack of self delusion has been placed over our heads.

      • Anonymous

        Excellent post, sD.

      • Anonymous

        The left won’t attach terrorist activities with Islam. The Fort Hood shooting is now being called workplace violence. The media will immediately tell you if they think it’s a conservative…which they are usuallly wrong….but they are annoyingly silent about Christian churches getting burned down when they are full of Christians. If we want to defeat Islam, we first must defeat the commie bastard liberals in this country.

    • Jaynie, it will never be hopeless while there are believers in Jesus in the world. It only seems that way because that’s what Satan would like everyone to believe. I realize not everyone believes in the spiritual part of things, but to those of us who do believe, it will never be hopeless. Jesus Christ is the Hope.

      • Anonymous

        I don’t think it’s the terrorism by radical Islam that we have to worry about. They are migrating into western nations at an alarming rate, rapidly growing in population. As their population increases they start demanding more and more from government, then the riots and car burning starts happening. Last step, Nigeria type tactics. Do what we say….Sharia Law….or else.

        I believe it’s all by design to dominate the world. Defeat us from within by taking advantage of liberals that refuse to call a terrorist a terrorist.

    • Anonymous

      I find it rather offensive that there is a war on Christianity by the left and the athiests, yet they bend over backwards kissing Islamic ass. I mean, the Fort Hood shooting is now being called workplace violence by the left and the Tea Party was called a threat to national security by Janet Napolitano. It disgusts me to no end. Do they somehow think that Allah will pay them favor because they show themselves to be weak?

  • Does Ron Paul blame the Zionists for this?

    • Anonymous

      Lol, I’d like to see someone address this with him. He basically claims that terrorism is forced by us, and I’d like to see him squirm trying to explain how this happened without us invading something first.

  • StNikao

    UPDATE – more on Christmas Day ATROCITIES:

  • Anonymous

    Yea, the religion of peace: my ass.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think we have as many nukes as what I’d like to drop on these peaces of crap.

      • Anonymous

        Enough to inflict lots of damage!

        • Anonymous

          Lol, we have enough nukes to wipe out the Middle East entirely….which I wouldn’t do. I was being facetious and making the point that I would wipe them out 10 times over….in rhetoric.

          • Anonymous

            Well I would wipe out a portion of the middle east in a NY minute.

            • Anonymous

              Wow, why so slow? Lol, I agree.

              • Anonymous

                Well a NY minute really is about 5 seconds in real time. Load up the Stealths ASAP.

  • Anonymous

    “The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts–so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and have me heal them.” John 12:40

    I like the God’s Word Translation-

    “God blinded them and made them close-minded so that their eyes don’t see and their minds don’t understand. And they never turn to me for healing!” John 12:40

    Nothing to see here with this news story.
    *Goes back to watching another episode of American Muslim*

  • Jesus did not try to covert nonbelievers with use of force nor did he try to conquer tribes or nations with armies. The Prophet Mohammad did use force and conquest to spread the religion he created.

    When Muslims or their apologists say Islam is a religion of peace are they referring to the deliverance of eternal peaceful slumber?

    The Prophet Mohammad use violence and waged war, how is that peaceful?

    The fish, or in this case religion, rots from the head down.

    • Anonymous

      Yes. Islam is the called the Religion of the Sword. Christianity is the religion of the Cross (Love). Though it’s more accurate to call it a philosophy rather than belittle it by calling it a ‘religion’ imo.

      • Anonymous

        I call it a death cult.

  • Dan

    “radical Muslim” sorry no such thing….the whole filthy man made religion is all the same they will lie to your face and smile while doing it…until we understand that and deal with it we are at the mercy of the religion of filth…they choose the time and place to kill us…and they will…ITS IN THERE DAM BOOK….its what they believe it is what they will do…when will we wake up to this satanic religion

    • Anonymous

      Tiqiyya is practiced at the highest level of government now.

      taqiyya! Obama is no Christian

      Obama’s 50 Lies – Pt.1/2
      Obama’s 50 Lies – Pt.2/2

      • I’m so glad to see you, sDee and a couple others talking about tiqiyya 12grace. I’ve posted about it on my own blog. It’s a practice that is common in Islam, but too many ignorant people have no idea what it is, and that it’s so common.

        • Anonymous

          Thank you, ABC. I appreciate your support.

    • Anonymous

      Satanic cults are more peaceful than these cucksockers.

      • Dan

        so true….sad….but so very very true

  • Joe

    TO – 12grace – RE: The mosque in NYC

    have a gander at this >>

    sprinkle Pig’s blood at the site – end of mosque idea

    • You fail to see the destructive potential of this low-tech double edge weapon Joe.

      Alert Homeland Security and the Pentagon! This old weapon can be used on offense and defense and it uses the same delivery system for both.

      Simply fill the tanks of a crop duster with pig blood and spray a defensive shield over New York City and any other potential targets or spray terrorist camps, cities or whole countries.

      The half-life of the pigs blood can be determined with an equation utilizing yearly rainfall and average wind speed tables as your variables. Repeat deployment as necessary.

      Pig Farmers, slaughter houses and governments unite against radical Islam with a daily douse of anti-Paradise juice.

      • Anonymous

        OMG! LOL!

    • Anonymous


  • Rshill7:

    According to Frank Luntz 60% of the registered voters are fed up with attack adds.

    As one of the 60% I’d like to add that I’ve reached my tolerance threshold with conservative commenters insulting or attacking other conservative commenters on this site.

    In the future, please try to relax your sphincter when constructively criticizing your fellow conservatives.

    • Anonymous

      Hopefully, you were not referring to what he said to me, because he was fully justified in his comments. If you were not referring to me, then please disregard this post.

      • I am referring to his comments to you and to Jaynie59.

        Insulting people on this or any other site is not justified…it’s just bad behavior.

        I welcome constructive criticism as it adds to my vast knowledge base [hehe].

        • Anonymous

          Well, as to his comments to me, I typed something that came out completely 180 of what I meant to say, and may well have insulted him inadvertantly. His comments straightened me out, and I, for one, appreciated it.

          • You’re a gent and I admired how you handled that lengthy criticism. I normally show those comments, leading with an insult, the attention they deserve.

            • Anonymous


          • Anonymous

            Thanks Nukeman. You are indeed a Gentleman. I liked you before and I like you still. When I grow up I hope to have better manners.

  • Anonymous

    Where’s Ron Paul? I’m waiting for him to say they did it because of our occupation of Nigeria.