By The Right Scoop


Hamas was encouraged and started by the Israelis as a tool to counteract Yasser Arafat, so says Ron Paul.

Need I say more? Skip to 1:20

(via Hotair)

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UPDATE: Ed Morrissey described earlier today how Hamas came to be, and it wasn’t as Paul suggests:

So who started Hamas? Was it really Israel? Er … no, not really, and the suggestion that Israel wanted Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO is simply ludicrous. Hamas developed from a network of Muslim Brotherhood charities in Gaza in the mid-1980s. The Muslim Brotherhood was one of the most notorious of anti-Israeli organizations in the region, formed in the 1920s in opposition to the collapse of the Caliphate and the British Mandate that followed. At the founding of Hamas, it called for “jihad” to seize Israel and create an Islamist state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. They formed in direct opposition to the PLO (now called Fatah in the Palestinian Authority government), to some extent because Yasser Arafat was negotiating with Israel, albeit in bad faith while trying to drum up financial and political support in the West. Hamas gets its funding from Iran, hardly a disinterested third party in this conflict — and the main engine of radicalizing Muslims, eclipsing the Muslim Brotherhood ever since the Iranian revolution of 1979.

Also, Ron Paul fans, stop sending me the WSJ article that you think backs up Paul’s argument. Ed Morrissey took that apart as well. Jump over to Hotair and read the update.

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  • Anonymous

    I think Ron Paul is toast as the new Health Care Law doesn’t cover the treatment of political dementia.

    • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

      We complain about Rino’s out there. The only REAL RINO is Ron Paul.

    • Anonymous

      The GOP Village Idiot strikes again with a real bit of wit and wisdom. Someone needs to make reservations for him and a white room (padded perferrably), but not the White House.

    • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

      LMAO!

  • Gabriel Caron

    Ron Paul = 99% moonbat

    • Anonymous

      1% fruitcake

      • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

        Weel said.

      • http://profiles.google.com/isabarini1942 elisabetta barini

        LOL

  • Anonymous

    He seems to get more delusional every day.

    • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

      Finally the vetting has started on this guy.

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    Is there one Paulie out there who will admit that they were wrong about their “Messiah?”

    • Anonymous

      Don’t hold your breath unless you plan on trying out for the Blue Man Crew.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think so. They are all too busy sending me messages about how ignorant I am for calling him the GOP Village Idiot. But his words bear him out to be just that.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    My computer must be messed up because I can’t see this clip. Good thing though- I’d most likely throw something at it and then I’d miss all of you at the Right Scoop. Paul has GOT to quit his campaign.

    • Anonymous

      Put the tin foil hat on. It helps to see him better.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    sorry- double posted.

  • Anonymous

    Jimmah Cahtah without the peanut accent.

    • Anonymous

      Hey that’s a little insulting to carter. I don’t like jimmy either but perhaps this is a little over the line….. LOL

      • Anonymous

        Not really. Catah is a Jew hater also.

  • Anonymous

    What’s next for Paul? I mean what can this guy say to raise the bar any higher for crazy?

    • Anonymous

      Has anyone asked him about the moon landings? Bar codes? Wireless internet? Those little QR codes for smartphones? There’s must be some conspiracies in those!

      • Anonymous

        LOL…I am afraid he would go all exorcist head spinning and spewing pea soup if they questioned him about bar codes…… :)

  • Anonymous

    Oh my Gosh. I’m a bit new to this site and I’m glad you tell the truth about him.

    I have recently left Big Government after posting there for over a year and a half b/c that place has been taken over by PaulBots.

    I hope this place isn’t LOL!!

    • Anonymous

      Over here they’re snacks :-)

      • KenInMontana

        **BURP** Oops, pardon me. ;)

    • Anonymous

      I still visit Breitbart, as I think they still have some very interesting articles, but haven’t posted comments there in a long time because of all of trolls!

      Welcome to TRS! It’s a great community.

      • Anonymous

        I adore Andrew Breitbart and his “Big” trilogy– but I go there to read, almost never to post.

    • Anonymous

      I support Paul – but I’m respectful and try to substantiate positions with fact. I also try to have meaningful and thoughtful discourse without the name calling.
      However – if someone makes a rude whack – I have defended myself – but even then – I try to substantiate with fact.

      • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

        I have to admit you are the friendly Paulie out there. : ) I appreciate your arguments. I do hope that you will rethink Paul as President. He is radio-active and for those who really believe in small government ideas will only hurt their cause by making excuses for him. (I’m not saying you have…)

        • Anonymous

          Ha… the one and only friendly Paulie – eh… Cute. You might be right. Everyone is pretty hacked off right now.

          It’s hard to sort through all the disinformation – there’s a lot of dirty stuff going on right now. I have not been given any substantive information to back up your claim – there’s a whole lot of smearing going on right now – and they the MSM is leaning on Christian prejudice to smash him in Iowa. It does make me angry because he is a sincere Christian.

          For instance – the CNN interview was a hit job – they presented it as though he just stormed out of an interview when he didn’t.

          This guy Kirchik who has been writing all these hit pieces is directly tied to a number of Defense steering committees. Borger is married to a communication director who sits on those same boards.

          Paul isn’t perfect – nobody is – but he’s the closest I’ve seen to a true Constitutionalist – and for now – it’s where my vote and the people I can persuade is going. Even if he were extreme – it’s still got to get by Congress – so at the least he’s going to accomplish the rollback of some of the big government stuff.

          • Anonymous

            I too have been a supporter of Congressmen Paul for quite some time but find it hard to find anybody on this board who doesn’t think he’s crazy. I for one feel (like he does) that our foreign policy has done us more harm than it has good. However, that does not mean either of us hate the US, blame the US, or anything like that. All it is saying is that we’ve made mistakes because we stick our nose into the governments, economies, and societies of other countries and that we should realize the mistakes and not make them again. If we intend other countries to treat us as a sovereign nation, then we owe them the same courtesy no matter who they are. There is nothing wrong with declaring war through congress if we really feel strongly about it, but (like he says) we shouldn’t go to war under presidential fiat, UN resolution, or anything else.

            I applaud your patience with the people on this site that will just name call and ridicule you (and the Congressmen) without really understanding what you (or he) is saying. I’ve basically stopped trying to defend him because it’s kind of like talking to a wall. 99% of the people on this site are convinced that he’s crazy and will not listen to reason anymore.

            From my perspective (and I’ve said this on this site before), the people on this site would probably voice a loud negative opinion about the “welfare state” proposed by liberals and democrats, but for some reason have no problem supporting the “warfare state” proposed by conservatives and republicans. I don’t know about you but to me they are two heads of the same coin designed to keep the politicians in power, control, and money.

            Anyway, all the best to you. I’m glad I’m not the only one who has come to the defense of the Congressmen but I must say I don’t have the stomach for it anymore.

            Here’s an interesting article I read about the comparisons of Congressmen Paul to Hitler that totally blows a hole in that argument. Thought you might like to read it:

            http://www.lewrockwell.com/block/block190.html

            Regards…

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDAKYMXLZIRLMLGEZJXV3AOO7E Vorlath

              “99% of the people on this site are convinced that he’s crazy and will not listen to reason anymore.”

              The problem is that Ron Paul’s foreign policy cannot be defended. It is a suicide pact. That’s why people call it crazy.

              I understand what you’re saying. Don’t be in other people’s business and maybe they’ll pay less attention to you. But this is the real world. Jihad has existed before the US was around. Extremist Muslims bomb everyone that’s different. To think that going away will make things better is not a statement that can be made with any logic or facts. The safety of Israel is a must. It’s more than just the country and its people. It’s the only place in the middle east that has democracy. The geopolitical landscape of the world will be altered for the worse if Israel goes down.

              So everything Ron Paul stands for vis a vis foreign policy is lunacy for good reasons. It’s not just something we say to put Ron Paul down. It’s that there aren’t any roads that will lead you back once you find out the true consequences of Paul’s policies.

            • KenInMontana

              Don’t know if you are aware of this about Rockwell or not.
              http://reason.com/archives/2008/01/16/who-wrote-ron-pauls-newsletter

              If you are going to cite him and you are a Paul supporter, you should read it.

            • Anonymous

              You make a great point about the “warfare state.” Conservatives just don’t seem to get the fact that we are being “played” in these never ending wars. If you speak out against them, you are called names here. It is very hard to get people to logically and thoughtfully have any sort of discussion about the very valid points Ron Paul makes. I still get on this site and occasionally try, but I’m with you; I don’t know if I have the stomach to fight the establishment Republicans anymore.
              We’ll probably end up with a status quo Republican and instead of being on a bullet train to socialism, we’ll be on a slow train to socialism. But, the destination is the same.

              • KenInMontana

                The “name calling” goes both ways, it is just as prevalent among his proponents as it is among his detractors.

                Addendum: For the record, an not a member of any political party. I am one of those “Independents” everyone worries about.

                • Anonymous

                  It’s unbelievable over at breitbart.tv The detractors are freaking there.

              • KenInMontana

                The “name calling” goes both ways, it is just as prevalent among his proponents as it is among his detractors.

                Addendum: For the record, an not a member of any political party. I am one of those “Independents” everyone worries about.

            • Anonymous

              I don’t know much about Lew Rockwell, but he seems to have a good perspective on the events that led to WW2, and the causes of aggressions. I haven’t studied the Treaty of Versailes, but have read that it led to these outcomes. I was never taught in school that we had put Japan under sanctions, but leaned about that a couple of years ago. It is interesting what history tends to leave out. Such as the fact that all sides in that war were bankrolled by the same banks.

              For some reason, people want to say “those who believe our foreign policy is flawed”, are supporting bad guys and are America haters. I simply say that those who support a government who is taking away our inalienable rights are not committed to “America”. Our rights are the country. Without them, we fall out of the category of being anything special.

              I too have grown weary of providing links, explanations, and reasoning as to what Paul’s positions are, or mean. Many people just don’t want to know. When it becomes abundantly clear that my time is generally wasted, I lose the willingness to sacrifice it. Those who come out blasting without any reasoning have some maturing to do before they can participate in a real discussion anyway.

              Take care,

              • Anonymous

                I take a break every once and a while – but it is our duty and you cannot stop – ever – or you fail.

                I don’t know anything about Lew – but somehow he’s linked with Paul.

            • Anonymous

              I don’t know much about Lew Rockwell, but he seems to have a good perspective on the events that led to WW2, and the causes of aggressions. I haven’t studied the Treaty of Versailes, but have read that it led to these outcomes. I was never taught in school that we had put Japan under sanctions, but leaned about that a couple of years ago. It is interesting what history tends to leave out. Such as the fact that all sides in that war were bankrolled by the same banks.

              For some reason, people want to say “those who believe our foreign policy is flawed”, are supporting bad guys and are America haters. I simply say that those who support a government who is taking away our inalienable rights are not committed to “America”. Our rights are the country. Without them, we fall out of the category of being anything special.

              I too have grown weary of providing links, explanations, and reasoning as to what Paul’s positions are, or mean. Many people just don’t want to know. When it becomes abundantly clear that my time is generally wasted, I lose the willingness to sacrifice it. Those who come out blasting without any reasoning have some maturing to do before they can participate in a real discussion anyway.

              Take care,

      • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

        And you aren’t obsessive as many of them are, trolling for arguments through the comment thread stressing out the whole community.

        I’d say you are a good ‘un, for now anyway ;-)

        • Anonymous

          Thank you.

    • Anonymous

      You mean Rhu Paul?

      • Anonymous

        Ah – the joke is RuPaul. It’s a little old – the the spirited thought is appreciated.

        • Anonymous

          It never gets old.

    • Anonymous

      Oh they are here too, OMAM, but there are MORE of us common sense, conservative, folks who love America for all the good she is and does– and we open a mean can of whupp-butt when they come over here and try out their newest SOPHIST arguments and talking points.

    • Anonymous

      Welcome home sister.

    • Anonymous

      They try.

    • Anonymous

      Oh you have nothing to worry about here. We get such profound, deep counter arguments to Ron Paul’s policy, like “He’s a nut.” If that’s how you like to debate, you’ll fit right in.

  • Anonymous

    I want to understand this too – so I won’t claim to be his aPaulogist on this. As a Christian – I have a Biblical world view on this – so I support Israel – however – it is important to know the truth.

    Researching this – I found this link in the Wall Street Journal from 2009.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB123275572295011847.html

    Seems to back Paul up.

    I have no idea who GlobalResearch is – but it looks like this may have something to do with it.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

    Basically – if you don’t have an enemy – there’s no reason for fighting. If you can “stir up” radicalism – you can generate a moral reasoning to fight and destroy them.

    Here is another article.
    http://www.wariscrime.com/2008/12/29/news/hamas-was-founded-by-mossad/

    If Israel’s goal was to stop the PLO from getting a state by creating Hamas – it seems like they accomplished their goal.

    As I recall – other reports came in during the “Arab spring” (specifically Libya) where there were questions of whether or not America was supporting Al Qaeda and whether or not our CIA was in involved in mischief also.

    What I do know – is that Ron Paul wants to end covert and overt operations there.

    • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

      Thanks for the articles. I look forward to looking at them in depth. I still think this is new evidence that Paul has a blind spot for those who hate freedom and freedom loving people.

    • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

      Take your meds you retard

      • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

        dude, chill out with the insults. let’s try and not make this personal.

        • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

          That’s what they are: mentally ill people

        • Anonymous

          Is the picture with the tin foil hat really necessary? It tends to encourage personal attacks.

          • Anonymous

            The pictures actually have the opposite affect if the attacks are not true. I’ve been noticing lately that as the unsubstantiated smears increase – the poll numbers rise.

            The truth eventually wins out. At the very least – it’s making us all research the things that are happening in our country and the world and we are all the better for it – whether Paul wins or not.

            • Anonymous

              I actually posted lately that people should keep it up, because when someone is unfairly attacked, others tend to want to defend them. That is one of my first responses.

    • Anonymous

      Don’t believe everything you read… especially from blatant anti-Israel sites.

      • Anonymous

        Wall Street Journal?

        • Anonymous

          Wall Street Journal is also very liberal and you know how liberals feel about Israel.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not understanding that at all – it’s owned by Rupert Murdoch – the same person that owns Fox.
            Anyway, per Scoop’s update – I’m off to research Ed Morissey.

            By the way – my definition of a smear is to take something that is unsubstantiated or untrue and use it to make someone look bad. We could probably come up with a better word because everyone uses it in whatever way they want to.

    • Anonymous

      I, too am a Christian and huge Israel supporter. However, I am not naive enough to think governments (even Israel!) do not engage in covert operations and creating “enemies” if it will help their cause. I do not know if this is true of Israel or not. I would like to think it is not, but I am open to reading and examining the facts, unlike others, who would rather stick their heads in the sand and call people names.

      • Anonymous

        I cannot and will not support Paul if he is anti-Israel.

  • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

    I want to type up some curse words directed at him right now but I am just laughing so hard at his moronic world views. What’s he? An 18 yr old college kid? And he is running for the president of the United States? Gosh… LOOOOOOOOOOL~!

  • Anonymous

    Here is a wikipedia article on the history of Hamas as a starting place for those who want to do their own research.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hamas

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

      Good link >>

      excerpt – “Hamas was established in 1987, and has its origins in Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood movement”

      Where have I heard about that “bowel” movement before?

      OH YEAH – The “new Egypt” that Odumbo created

      Great job!

    • Anonymous

      Here is another excerpt from the Wikipedia article:

      “With its takeover of Gaza after the 1967 war with Egypt, Israel hunted down secular Palestinian Liberation Organization factions, but dropped the previous Egyptian rulers’ harsh restrictions against Islamic activists. In fact, Israel for many years tolerated and at times encouraged Islamic activists and groups as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the PLO and its dominant faction, Fatah.”

      I am still researching this myself, but there appears to be a bit of truth in Paul’s statements. I don’t see anything that shows that Israel ‘created’ Hamas, but it appears that they encouraged its development as a balance to the PLO.

      • Anonymous

        It’s bee n a long time since I read it, but you might try finding “From Beirut to Jerusalem”, I think the author’s name is Sloan ?, It tells of the rise of the PLO and Hamas in their relations with Israel. You might find it interesting as it was written by a Jewish/American journalist of 1980s vintage that spent time in those two cities when the Palestinian movement really got started. I found it informative.

      • KenInMontana

        There are some qualifications, it is not as simple as Paul’s statements make it out to be. Many of these “groups” began life as charities in Gaza and the West Bank. As long as they were charities, building schools,hospitals and mosques, they were allowed and encouraged to a degree, however when they went “militant” all bets were off.

        Matthew Levitt & Dennis Ross, Yale University Press, 2007, p. 24. “Scholars and historians on both sides . . . agree that from the late 1960s to the mid-1980s the [Muslim] Brotherhood benefited from the Israeli government’s support of non-violent Islamist Palestinian factions, believing these groups would function as a useful counterweight to the secular nationalist Palestinian groups . . .”

        Some info on HAMAS as it now stands;
        http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/printgroupProfile.asp?grpid=6204

        http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hamas.htm

        • Anonymous

          Agreed – and that is what doesn’t make sense. The point is that we shouldn’t be involved at all. As he said – we fund both sides – then we have to kill them? It does not make any sense.

          • KenInMontana

            You are over-simplifying the issue, as is your candidate. Look at it from this perspective if you want simple. You give a person who purports to be a friend a helping hand in doing a good work, but it turns out they are a deceiver and betray your trust by using that help to carry out or facilitate actions that harm or even lead to the death of a loved one. How would you react? I know how I would and it would not end well for that betrayer. This is where people, like myself, differ from other Christians and perhaps yourself, we are able to place aside our Christian “values” and do what needs to be done and accept the consequences of our actions, by the knowledge that we have only God to answer to for our actions, even though the price we pay in this life is to dwell outside his grace. I have accepted this.

            I don’t know how the Obama administration is handling these so called “charities”. I do know how past administrations have dealt with them, when they were discovered to be funding terrorists. We know how Israel has dealt with them.

            • Anonymous

              I have to over-simplify it – my head was spinning trying to stay on top of the wiki article – and when I’m done – I’m saying to myself – “what a colostomy.” I don’t know it all – I don’t want to know it all and I don’t have the time to figure it out and frankly – I think that the actions of Israel and the US and all the covert operations crap is done because everyone is trying to fit into the mold of the political correctness crowd established by the UN and NATO and everyone is seeking to carry out their agendas all the while keeping their plausible deniablity standing. It’s a total mess. (Sorry for the run-on.)

              What I do want is:
              1. An honest man for President that hasn’t been bought and doesn’t have any or minimal baggage and can’t be blackmailed.

              2. I want someone to slash the budget and cut spending down to the confines of Article 1 Section 8. If it’s not there – don’t spend it or amend the Constitution to cover it as the founders designed the thing.

              3. I want to bless Israel and let them do what they need to do – cause the idiots in DC don’t know what they are doing. None of them except Paul is offering anything different than what has been going on over there since I can remember and way before that.

              4. A simple system of just weights and measures and the elimination of usury as an implement of indebtedness and involuntary slavery.

              I/you/we all need simple. Centralized planning just complicates everything and the control freaks in DC aren’t going to give up their power without kicking and screaming.

              I want my neighborhood back.

            • Anonymous

              I don’t think that we have to set aside our Christian values to do what needs to be done. God said “do not murder”, therefor killing is not entirely disallowed. The difference lies within the action taken, and the reasoning thereof. If you kill someone in the defense of someone else’ life, you will not be judged a murderer. The issue is one that concerns the heart. If it is vengeance that you pursue, even in the name of defense, it could be called murder. If you kill someone before they have tried to harm you, then it is murder. If a government is committing genocide, then you may very well have the right to stop it. If a government only “helps” those who have natural resources in their country, while ignoring other atrocities for decades in places that have no strategic advantage, then the motives are in question, and therefor subject the aggressor to criticism, and possibly being called a murderer.

              I have no problem with taking out a real threat, so long as they are well defined, properly authorized (not dictator led), and righteous in their cause. I think that we open ourselves up to this criticism when we support dictators that we helped get into power, and while they commit some of these atrocities, and then suddenly vilify them before we go to war with them without a proper declaration, a clear objective, and a plan to win and get out. We get branded as “occupiers” and the like. I think that if we just went in, took out the government and the army, and handed it right back to let them work it out, we would be on much more solid moral ground. Not to mention the added loss of life, both from here and there.

              If we set aside these values, for anything, we will lose them at home. This is what I fear is happening. The consequence of that is the loss of our personal sovereignty, and rights. If this goes on long enough, we will not stand out as any different than any other country, or dictatorship.

              • KenInMontana

                In the case of radical or fundamentalist ( however one wishes to qualify or quantify it) Islam, we are staring down the barrel of religious war. If you do not understand what winning a religious war entails, I suggest you learn it, because it does involve murder, that is what you call it when those we call “defenseless” are slain is it not? They are fighting it to win, you can only fight and win religious wars by going “old school” (by old school, read ancient) with your warfare. Most Westerners don’t have the stomach for that. You’re intelligent enough to figure out what I am driving at, I believe.

                • Anonymous

                  I suppose you are speaking of warfare which produces the maximum fear factor in its prosecution, or that wipes out a civilization. I don’t believe in halfway war as a good thing. I believe that you should be slow to declare it, then win it. I believe that Islamic nations that would grow in their ability to threaten our survival, and act upon their desires, should be wiped out completely. Then we leave. This is not an anti-Christian value scenario, but it still requires an imminent threat, in my opinion. If we had planned to take over and control the whole region, then we should have gone in and done it quickly, and then left the region. I don’t see a problem with occupying a conquered nation, but declare it US territory if you do this and quit screwing around with rebuilding a Muslim land that is going to turn back on us when we leave.

                  We go in and screw with them. They get riled up, and hit us. We go in and take over their country, bombing their infrastructure. Then we rebuild it, set up another Muslim government, and leave. Its nuts. Bush didn’t have a plan to win, and neither does Obama. The next guy won’t either. This is going to be the final nail in our coffin financially because we didn’t fight to win.

                  I say “if you are going to do it, do it deliberately, and with maximum effect”.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for the references freenca and KenInMontana. I’m not interested in the insults and partisan wrangling that often occurs on these boards, but I am interested in learning the truth, whatever it may be. Let the chips fall where they may.

    • Anonymous

      I read your post on wiki and other links I researched – and it appears that Hamas was already formed – but aided by not only Israel – but also by the US through funding sent to Israel. From what I’ve read – Israel still dispenses American aid to Hamas.
      Hamas was encouraged by Israel because they were fighting the PLO and that “Fatahs” between Hamas and the PLO were taking place up until and as recent as 2006.
      I read Ed Morrissey’s post on Hot Air – and he does quote the WSJ article I posted above. His comment predicating his quote does not reflect the entire contents of his quote and just excludes some of the crucial aspects of the WSJ report. Israel did in fact provide funding for an Islamic college, charities and medical facilities. According to the report – Israel did work closely with the “half-blind” leader of Hamas.

      Given the cursory background I now have – I re-read the text of Paul’s speech. From what I can tell – Paul is only quoting as fact what he would consider common knowledge. I personally recall the US encouraging elections there – and when Hamas was legitimately (democratically) voted into power – it legitimized their existence. Again according to what I just read – the outcome was unexpected and not wanted by the US nor Israel.

      This is a perfect example of Paul’s references to blowback and the unintended consequences of our covert operations and the results not being able to be received by the US public in a proper context.

      If Paul is referencing the WSJ article then in my opinion – he’s repeating information which he has read in an American news report and not promoting some anti-Semitic spew as this Hot-Air article projects.

      For myself – as a Christian – I believe that Israel is a Sovereign nation and their property is a land grant comes from the Almighty Himself (and is much larger than what they currently possess). From Paul’s strong Christian background – I believe he feels this way also.

      However – as a Congressman who has taken an oath to the Constitution – he is duty bound to be neutral in the conflict. (No entangling alliances, etc.)

      From what I’ve seen so far – he is vindicated and the tin-hat can be removed.

      • Anonymous

        That’s the way I read it also. That he is quoting information that is ‘common knowledge’.

        Paul is a very polarizing individual. However, I have researched a couple of claims of his ‘loonyism’, etc. and each time I have found that his actual statements are based on substantiated information available to anyone.

        For instance, the concept of non-interventionism has not always been considered a fringe idea. Many of the founders such as Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson espoused non-interventionism. It has been in the last few decades that the idea of patriotism seems to have taken on a new definition including globalism.

        I would really like to see the blind accusations of craziness to be replaced with rational, well researched discussions of the actual facts. We may all learn something in the process.

      • KenInMontana

        The “No Entangling alliances” is not a part of the Constitution or their oath.

        This is the oath created by the first Congress;
        “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States.”

        The current oath was created and first used in 1884;
        “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

        Neither the Constitution or their Oath says anything about “neutrality”.

  • Anonymous

    Hamas was created because of the Arabs inability to defeat Israel through conventional warfare. Of course Ron Paul logic dictates if Israel didn’t exist than neither would Hamas so of course it’s Israel’s fault. *sarcasm*

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    Paul for President of Planet OUTTHEReEIUS

    No foil hats allowed – so you can get clear reception!

  • Anonymous

    Paul’s dislike of Israel really bothers me…is he anti-semitic? For me, a Christian, his ideas just do not make sense.

    • Anonymous

      Why do you believe Ron Paul dislikes Israel?

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDAKYMXLZIRLMLGEZJXV3AOO7E Vorlath

        If Israel is attacked, Paul would do nothing. That’s something that’s so heinous, so despicable a trait that I cannot imagine that Ron Paul is part of the human species.

        • Anonymous

          Just curious. What do you think of Benjamin Netanyahu’s statement here? Do they need our help?

          • Anonymous

            Netayahu is saying they can go it alone if obama and the United States won’t support them. It wouldn’t be wise for us to withhold support from Israel. How many allies does he think we should reject anyway, Obama has turned our entire foreign policy backwards and Ru Paul wants to keep that policy going.

        • Anonymous

          Israel has proven numerous times that they can defend themselves quite well.

  • Anonymous

    Keep on talking FOOL,(PAUL) let everyone far and wide see what a total WACKO you are!!!

  • Anonymous

    Another fine example of why we must stop giving this GOP Village idiot anything but our sympathy for being so stupid. He certainly does not have the brains to deserve our vote. Anybody who votes for this guy really has serious blinders on to just who he is and what he stands for. Who? The GOP Village Idiot! What He stands for? Conspiracy theory freak everywhere! sMaybe if he becomes president he will unveil the truth about UFO abductions and point in the direction of Hoffa’s body. He can also launch a search for where Adolph Hilter is hiding in South America too. Heck I bet he will look for the one and only D.B. Cooper as well.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Redder/100000544267578 Bill Redder

    As has been said before: Ronpaul is for every conspiracy except the one where Muslim’s want to kill American (and Jewish) infidels simply for existing.

  • Anonymous

    This is so sad. I’m starting to actually feel bad for the little guy.

  • Anonymous

    You all sure are scared of Ron Paul, aren’t you? Almost every other story on the home page is about RP. You might want to go back to pretending he doesn’t exist. Attacking Teflon Ron only seems to bring him new support. Good job!

    • Anonymous

      No. We just enjoy a good comedy. So keep the one liners coming.

      • Anonymous

        Ron Paul is the only candidate who can beat Obama.

        • Anonymous

          That joke is getting pretty worn out, sorry.

        • http://profiles.google.com/isabarini1942 elisabetta barini

          …..that’s your idea and bad opinion about US electors…??? LOL

          • Anonymous

            It’s not opinion…it is fact. No other GOP nominee can beat Obama without the support of Ron Paul’s backers.

            • KenInMontana

              You have overlooked or chosen to ignore the fact that it cuts both ways. Paul cannot beat Obama with only the support of his backers alone either.

              • Anonymous

                While people like you might sit out the election, write someone in, or even vote for Obama in protest, enough Republicans would vote for Paul as GOP nominee to combine with independents and unhappy Democrats and give Paul a chance to beat Obama.

                I did not say Paul WILL beat Obama, I said he is the only one who CAN.

                • KenInMontana

                  Where have I ever said directly or indirectly that I would sit out the election? However, I could turn that back at you by asking you if Paul is not the nominee will you vote for the one that is? Many of your fellows have said they will not.

                  “I said he is the only one who CAN. ” that IS an opinion.

                • Anonymous

                  I was not talking about you specifically, but people who oppose Obama and would support any GOP nominee against him, except Paul.

                  I personally will not be voting for the GOP nominee if it is not Ron Paul.

                • KenInMontana

                  Then on that particular subject, “pot meet kettle”.

        • Anonymous

          Yes Paul could beat Obama in Care Bear Land, where unicorns fly and their farts provide all of the energy needed for the world. This is the same place where Pixie Fairy dust provides the lift required to make people and airplanes fly, and wishing puts food on the table. Unfortunately, Obama is not running in that race, no matter how hard Paul tries to get him to move there.

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

            Where is this place you speak of ? – Sounds cool!

            • Anonymous

              It is under the tin foil hat. You just follow the Yellow Brick Road.

        • http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston

          Dream on!

    • Anonymous

      I am scared of Paul. I’m scared as hell that my country will become the England before Winston Churchill. When the appeasers ran things. Paul is a coward through and through. Teflon? Only people supporting this guy are the people who got their ass kicked all day in high school.

      • Anonymous

        I can’t speak for all Ron Paul supporters, but I support Ron Paul and I never got in any fights in high school. In fact, I was friendly with my entire 400+ person class.

        You are the one who admitted you are scared. I suggest it is you who is the coward, not Ron Paul.

  • bobemakk

    Gingrich for president, he is the most qualified. His baggage doesn’t matter, all politicians have baggage and it doesn’t interfere with their politics.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

      Hi Bob,
      Good to hear from you –

      Unfortunately baggage is related to character

      I am still waiting for all the “baggage” to be disclosed on ALL the candidates

      These dopes should do their OWN research on themselves so they see the bombs coming their way

      If they are not smart enough to do that – I wonder about their competence

      I have not yet decided who to vote for – I suspect more crap is coming

      Ciao!

    • Anonymous

      I care about ‘baggage’, but I really don’t think it matters to most people, either. Sarah Palin didn’t have any, so they just made it up. Barrack Obama had baggage – no one cared. This entire political process is just slimey.

      • Anonymous

        But with Palin baggage (even made up) suddenly seemed to matter to people.

  • Anonymous

    Right on, Ron !! Keep proving to people just how stupid you are.

    He has a looney explanation for the existence of every bad organization or regime. It’s never their fault. It’s the U.S. or Israel’s fault. If we would just keep to ourselves the world would be a completely peaceful place.

    • BeenSoup

      On the surface of this comment it appears looney. That was his point. They have to dig hard and deep then twist his words So that the simple minds will think he is a loon. When in fact here is truth to everything he says. Comparatively he is the sanist candidate I’ve EVER seen. He is the most principled candidate in my lifetime. We can overlook mandating health care or ties to lobbying or all the other crap that is true about the others but if RP mis speaks he’s outa here?

      • Anonymous

        Mis-speaks? Give me a break. They guy spews crap like this all the time, always along the same line. It’s our fault. It’s Israel’s fault. Mis-spoke my ass. This is his typical point of view.

  • BeenSoup

    Ron is right, You are just afraid to hear what he is saying. So you childishly photoshop a hat on him rather than even try to make sense of his words. The conservatives have proven to be as closed minded as the liberals when it comes to Paul. That is why we are in the pickle we are in. I researched and see where he makes sense although it may not have been presented properly or presented without enough explanation for the simple mind. We aren’t looking for a perfect man. Just a true principled person that knows big government won’t and can’t fix big government. A person that knows we can’t support being the ‘American Empire’ and a person that knows government and America is not what the current GOP is making of it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jesse-James/100000225030135 Jesse James

    I guess the truth is “crazy” to those who fail or refuse to understand it. Ron Paul is a smart man who refuses to allow political correctness or this ridiculous idea that we must coddle israel to silence his message of truth. Ron Paul 2012!

    • Anonymous

      Yep, nothing to see here. The Pauley the clown excuse machine is on the prowl. Paul fans will not admit to ANYTHING. I’ve never seen anything like it. The excuses they come up with are incredible. Blind folded.

      In Paul’s mind it is all Israel’s fault. Actually it’s everyone’s fault except the terrorists. Everyone’s fault but Iran. If we only rubbed their feet we would be BFF’s forever. Paul is a dangerous man. A coward and an appeaser.

      • Anonymous

        I cannot think of someone more brave than Ron Paul. Taking on the Federal Reserve and the military-industrial complex as he has takes serious balls. He is likely putting his very life in danger.

        There is a lot to see here, and you had better get used to it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IIIWOY4VC2GIN7SC5GZD7BG5OA Anonymous

    What I’d like to know about Ron Paul’s newsletters is why we’re not hearing from the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on them. Afterall, they’ve made a career out of finding racism behind every rock and tree.

  • Anonymous

    After Ron Paul wins Iowa, will every thread on right scoop be about him? I’m gonna say yes. The picture of him with tinfoil on his head will be like wallpaper.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CBOZS4L26DXX5AXAOBGYPZMFZE Jennifer

    This is the first time I’ve been to this website and was appauled at the lack of courtesy and substance by many of the commentators. The first nice comment was from a Ron Paul supporter and the next intelligent comment, focusing on the issue, was also by what appears to be a Ron Paul supporter. Are the RP supporters the only ones with decorum and intelligence? Maybe I should take another look at him (I’m Independent)

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul is absolutely correct.

    For those ignorant who prefer Fox News, Levins and Limbaughs to educate them what I will post probably won’t matter but here it goes anyways: Read “Devil’s Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam” by Robert Dreyfuss.

    I know some of you are lazy so here’s a little excerpt from his interview to Amy Goodman on ‘Democracy Now':

    “So there’s plenty of evidence that the Israeli intelligence services, especially Shin Bet and the military occupation authorities, encouraged the growth of the Muslim Brotherhood and the founding of Hamas. There are many examples and incidents of that.”

    Entire interview here:
    http://www.democracynow.org/2006/1/26/how_israel_and_the_united_states

    Stop being brainwashed by the MSM! Stop being useful idiots and start educating yourself!

  • Anonymous

    Test

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_56LP5LRPZJWG6QQPF5ESLKPNPA TRAVIS

    WELL I GUESS SINCE YOU GUYS DO NO RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN AND WANT TO KEEP A PERSON IN OFFICE THAT WILL TELL YOU LIES AND KEEP YOU SCARED OF ARABS AND TELL YOU THE “WAR ON TERROR” IS NECESSARY AND THE PATRIOT ACT IS FOR YOUR PROTECTION DESERVE TO LIVE IN THE POLICE STATE WE ARE SNOWBALLING INTO. THERE ARE GOOD PEOPLE EVERYWHERE INCLUDING IRAN AND ISRAEL, BUT THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS..HAMAS WAS FUNDED BY THE MASSAD. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME THE CIA CREATED AL QUIEDA.. YOU WANNA DISPUTE THAT TOO? I COULD GO ON AND ON BUT THE ONLY TRUE HONEST PERSON THAT COULD BRING THIS COUNTRY BACK TO PROSPERITY IS RON PAUL. SO YOU GUYS KEEP WATCHING FAUX NEWS AND CNN AND OF COURSE MSNBC TO GET YOUR LITTLE TALKING POINTS, AND THEN YOU CAN PAT EACH OTHER ON THE BACK AND TELL YOURSELVES YOUR NOT BRAINWASHED. WAKE UP PEOPLE

  • Eugene Cunningham

    WSJ: WORLD NEWSJANUARY 24, 2009
    How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas