ROUND 2: Smug Piers Morgan takes on Larry Pratt AGAIN

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I watched this interview last night because I like Larry Pratt and I think he handles himself well against a very smug and elitist Piers Morgan. He doesn’t threaten 1776 all over again if people take away our guns like some, but he does get in a few digs a Piers Morgan as he’s being called a liar for citing something that Piers disagrees with. In fact that’s the central focus of this 21 minute interview.

Larry Pratt dares to challenge Piers Morgan’s statistics on gun murders in England and Wales and instead of Piers telling him his data is wrong or even inquiring about where he got the data, Morgan just reverts to his one and only defense of calling Pratt a liar, liar, pants on fire. Now to be fair, I’m not sure where Pratt got his number of 970 gun murders in England/Wales for 2011. He said it was in the Telegraph after his last interview with Morgan but I couldn’t find it after several Google searches. But regardless, I wouldn’t insult the man as if he were intentionally trying to deceive people. And admittedly 35 gun-murders does seem very low for a population in the 10s of millions.

All in all it is an interesting interview. I love how at one point Pratt nails Morgan on a ‘circular argument’ when he insisted that of all the mass murders on the books, none have ever been stopped by ‘a good guy with a gun’. To that Pratt simply replied that if it had been stopped by a good guy with a gun early enough, then it wouldn’t be recorded as a mass murder. Ha! So true.

Watch the end to hear how Morgan ends the interview. I think he really, really hates Larry Pratt:

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  • Nukeman60

    …if it had been stopped by a good guy with a gun early enough, then it wouldn’t be recorded as a mass murder…

    So what that actually says is that ‘a good guy with a gun’ has never failed to stop a mass murder when the situation presented itself. Interesting.

  • The so called facts that Piers uses in this interview -specifically the number of mas shootings in thel ast 30 years

    • physicsnut

      thanks – i thought it was one (or more) of those left wing sites. By the way – did you notice that they had a list of their top stories for the year, and their bilge about Trayvon Martin was not on the list. They were going to use that to push, but it backfired in their face.

    • Yes – and you can check the figures yourself, and the contemporary news reports are easily available.

      Mother Jones may well be a ‘left wing’ group, but are you accusing them of making up Virginia Tech, Columbine, Aurora and all the other shootings?

      Which of those 62 shootings would you claim never happened?

      • Show us the person who has denied any shootings have happened.

  • To Piers- The cost of freedom is always high, but Americans have always paid it. And one path we shall never choose, and that is the path of surrender, or submission. JFK (35th President of the United States of America

    • Yep – 20 of your schoolchildren paid the price of the ‘freedom’ for anyone who wants one to get hold of an assault rifle. While you celebrate such ‘freedoms’ their parents only have the ‘freedom’ to grieve the loss of the lives at the hands of a madmen with an assault rifle, and those who put it in his hands.

      • Nukeman60

        The worst mass murder total in our history happened with dynamite. It’s not banned yet, but they still died. Do I think of that every time I use dynamite? No.

        There are so many reasons why mass murders are occuring (the biggest reason is the glorification of the Media and the overuse of medications) and you choose to pick banning guns – just ’cause you don’t like them.


        Pretty sad that you would use the death of innocent children to push an agenda.

        • Dynamite isn’t banned? Does that mean you can go and pick some up from Walmart? Do they keep it next to the assault rifles? Can anyone get hold of it without a license?

          Shame on you for sacrificing the lives of small children rather than give up your gun fetish. Doesn’t the gun industry that funds the NRA have an ‘Agenda’. I’m British and have nothing to gain from selling guns or from your politics. I’m suggesting you rethink your attitude to guns in the name of simple humanity.

          • If you use this blood of children ploy one more time, you’re gone.

          • Nukeman60

            Can you pick up an AR-15 at Wal-Mart? You haven’t looked lately, have you. Medication is regulated and assault rifles are regulated. Banning all guns from law-abiding citizens will not (let me repeat, will not) stop criminals from violent crimes. In fact, as your country can attest to, it will increase the violent crime which you now have to live with.

      • This is an excellent example of blood dancing: The cynical use of someone else’s tragedy to propel your sickening agenda.

        Pay attention class, and take copious notes. This blood dancer wants to make even more gun-free zones. Like they had on that island on Tyrifjorden lake in Norway.

  • Piers MoreGun-s……..Crime in UK went UP……..regardless of tools used.
    You are a perverted liar, to put it very, very mildly.
    Why they never discuss cases when a crime was stopped by a good person with a gun???
    Hiding news? That’s an untold lie again, Piers MoreGun-s.

    • I live in the UK and crime has been dropping for over a decade. Gun murder and other gun crime has been dropping ever since tight gun controls were put in place after our own school shooting 17 years ago and we haven’t had one since.

      I challenge you to check out the statistics for yourself:


      • Nukeman60

        So tell me how many occured in the prior 17 years? Was it rampant? You might want to double check your stats. Someone is lying to you.


        • Our gun control laws were far stricter than yours in the years proceeding Dunblane. The final restrictions put in place after that slaughter were to go from making handguns near-impossible to get, and then only to licensed owners at gun ranges – to being completely impossible. One school slaughter was a ‘rampant’ enough for us thanks. Such incidents are commonplace in the US, along with the slaughter of another 10,000 or so people, and you don’t even think there is anything unusual about that.

          There were 39 gun murders in the UK last year – 11,000+ in the the USA. The figures speak for themselves.

          • Nukeman60

            ‘The final restrictions put in place after that slaughter were to go from making handguns near-impossible to get, and then only to licensed owners at gun ranges – to being completely impossible’ – D M

            Doesn’t seem to have worked so well for you then, has it? I won’t post a link, as I have already given you enough links to open your eyes. But, hey, don’t read them, if you feel you must continue to hide. I’m sure the criminals all over your country are thanking you for your wisdom.

  • physicsnut

    My retort to confiscation – we should Keep and Bear Scissors, and call ourselves the Lorena Bobbit Brigade.

    It struck me last night that what the Journal News did is just what Rush says about the DRIVEBY MEDIA – they created an ‘assault map’ that sprayed thousands of law abiding citizens, and then they talk like ‘ we didnt do nuthin’.

    • colliemum

      I love it!
      Especially if we talk proper scissors, which actually cut thick stuff and have sharp points.

      Then the left would insist that only those plastic, children’s scissors could be carried, the one with rounded tips which can’t cut anything …

      • And you’d need a license, of course.

  • sjmom

    If I were Piers Morgan I would consider changing the subject from gun control because he is losing the argument.

    • He’s friggin’ Libtard, he’s too much of a self-absorbed moron to know that when you’re in a hole you stop digging! If he was running a rope factory, he now has enough rope to hang himself and 25 generations of ancestors!

    • Keep telling yourself that.

      In the meantime the NRA’s popularity ratings are plummeting and Pratt has been exposed as a liar – there weren’t 970 gun murders here last year – there were 39.

      Sorry if the facts hurt.

      • NRA’s membership rolls have seen a huge increase. It was at four million before the totalitarians declared war on law abiding citizens. They have grown by 100,000 members in the past eighteen days (that represents a windfall of around 2.5 Million dollars).

        The NRA will see this trend do nothing but continue to grow, as long as the left insists on destroying the Constitution.

        • Nukeman60

          Not to mention, guns are getting very hard to get, not by banning them or confiscating them, but by buying them. That tells a story in and of itself.The American people are speaking.

          • Four weeks in a row I’ve checked Wal Mart shelves, and the only useful ammo is in .22 gauge cartridges or 12 gauge shells. They also have some 4mm that apparently no one in the county uses. Heh.

            Local gun shop still has every type I need, but not in a lot of quantity.

      • 59 gun murders means the UK [2011] ( which by the way has the worst violent crime rates of any Member Country of the EU comparatively) means even with your ‘strict gun control laws’ these murders still happen. Ergo, more laws stricter controls aren’t the solution, and they certainly aren’t working pristine. As the absence of Gun in the hands of private Citizens does little to stop murder by guns in your country. The facts speak for themselves.
        As for your crime rates falling in the last ten years, the same is said for gun related crimes in the US – even with the lapse of the Assault weapons ban. (FBI.gov). Now Britain has 62 million people. The US has nearly 5 times that much (308 Million) when you do Violent crime comparison the UK’s crime rate is 2,034 crimes per 100,000 persons and the US crime rate is 466 violent crimes per 100,000 people. We have more people than you and statistically our crime rate is nearly 5 times LESS than yours.
        Who has the more violent culture now? Apparently the UK statistically and According to other member states of the EU- as alleged by the EU itself.. (stats gleaned from a Local news Report: Ben Swann, “Reality Check” Fox19 news Cincinnati, aired Tuesday 8 January 2013)

        Your argument that compared to the US the UK is safer and more moral society (implied) is False-patently false. Please stop with the Moral high ground Fallacy. The UK doesn’t, no do you as a her subject, have a leg to stand on.

  • CNN is a bias liberal propaganda machine for the far left.

    • Communist News Network.

      That’s an Oldie. but I like the classics. 🙂

  • aposematic

    Hmmm…. In a quick 5 minutes of serch of three sources the murders were 58 in 2011. If you count murders/deaths, serious injury, and minor injury due to all guns, the number approaches 1000. Gun incidents over 5000, includes threats.

    • The official statistics say 39:


      All classes of gun crime have declined significantly – in total by half – over the past decade (Table 19)

      In 4000 of the 5911 cases there were no injuries, and in another 1200 there were only ‘slight injuries’.

      Do you even count the number of ‘threats’ in your country?

      • Why yes, yes we do!

        • That’s not the figure for number of ‘gun threats’ is it – just a sub-set of them. If you can trust figures from a dodgy website – which you can’t.

          • More guns are used to defend from crime than are used in either committing crime or especially committing murder. You can ignore any data you wish, of course. That’s your problem to bear, not ours.

            Say, how many people are killed at gun shows each year?

  • Don

    Piers Morgan makes Ed Schulz seem almost sane. Since I wouldn’t watch either one of these morons at gun point, that is a feeling derived from what is presented on the Right Scoop. MSNBC and CNN have an audience that swims in a cesspool of hate. No reason to get involved.

  • Well done Mr.Pratt..

  • hedyanne

    He is so rude at the end when he said you are no friend of mine as if Mr Pratt had done all the murders…Just because someone does not believe the same way you do does not make them a bad person. I do not own a gun but I don’t think bad of anyone that has one….We live in a different world since I was a child and I think people should have something to protect themselves…..

  • stage9

    Here’s the study cited by Morgan from the “Home Office”. I don’t know where the 970 number comes from:

    While crime by guns has dropped (because they were outlawed), the “most common method of killing continues to be by sharp instrument.”

    “In 2008/09, 39per cent of homicides involved a sharp instrument, although the number of offences has fallen, from 271 in 2007/08 to 255 in 2008/09.”

    First, I WOULDN’T consider 14 less murders by sharp instruments a “fall”. More like a minimal drop.

    Nonetheless, homicides have continued because murderers have found other ways to murder despite the gun laws there.

    What makes you a murderer is YOUR ACTIONS, NOT what you used to commit the murder!

    There are other stats here:

    • Even including all weapons our murder rate is a small fraction of yours, as is our suicide rate. Our total murder rate has been dropping ever since we banned guns.

      Check the figures, then try it yourself.

  • mikeinidaho

    Piers Morgan is an idiot! How about we quit bringing attention to someone who doesn’t have the brain power of a box of Cheerios? Just sayin’…

  • Hey Morgan! Something to remember: We use guns and are citizens you don’t and are subjects of the Queen and her Government! How quaint! So, how’s the plans for the self-deportation going? Need a hand? I can show you the route to the airport or to the nearest harbor if that’s your fancy!

    White House acknowledges Piers Morgan’s deportation petition.

    Get the hell out of this country! The bloody cheek! (like the English word usage there Morgan?) You come to America and have the gall to tell the Citizens here how to live and try to change this country! I’d ask you to swear allegiance to America on the Holy Bible, but you want to change that too** don’t you moron???

    Piers Morgan: Both the Bible and U.S. Constitution Are ‘Inherently Flawed’ and Need to Be Amended.

    I’m sick to the back teeth of people coming to America and then having the gall to try and change every aspect of it suit themselves and make it like the “old country” Well I ask:

    If they old country was so “perfect” why did you leave it in the first place?

    And… If you still love the way they do things in the “old country” why don’t you eff off back to it and leave us the hell alone!

    PS: Don’t let the door hit your pasty white English arse on the way out! Good riddance to bad rubbish!

    • stage9

      White House Rejects Petition to Deport Piers Morgan

      • He isn’t one though is he? I didn’t know NObama’s Regime had rejected the petition.

        Reading it, I see they are falling back on the “freedom of the Press”… They should go tell that to the video maker that they framed and locked up as part of the coverup on Benghazi …. They’re very selective on when to apply the Constitution and when to totally ignore it!

        • stage9

          Tyrants will ALWAYS protect their propaganda machine.

          • Don’t I know it! Thank GOD for New Media!

            New Slogan for Patriotic Internet reports and activists : “The New Media shall set us free!”

            I remember a time before the Internet (most of my life) and the MSM commanded and controlled the message… But NOT ANY MORE!!!

            We must seize this method of spreading truth and facts while we still can!

      • The cruellest fact for people here is that when it comes to the statistics for the number of people killed in the USA and the UK – Morgan is absolutely right. If gun advocates have to make up false statistics or deny the truth, that’s a sure sign they’re scared of it.

        Perhaps Pratt would like to name some of these extra 940 people he said were killed in the UK, but no-one here seems to have noticed?

        • Nukeman60

          If you want to be honest about it, Morgan stated ‘murders’ before Pratt retorted with his number. Even though Morgan corrected himself later, he had already made that mistake and to hold Pratt accountable in the heat of a discussion is ludicrous.


        • Misunderstanding and misrepresenting data is a specialty of the left. The entire Climate Change scam is riddled with proven abuse of data, just as are most of the data used to justify many environmentalist policies, like the banning of DDT.

          Calling them false is bizarre, since the stats are well documented.

          The only fear in evidence here is that you seem to fear guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Law-abiding citizens don’t commit murder. But you know who does?

          Ninety percent of adult murderers in the US have had a criminal record as an adult.

          “Criminal record” is a positive indicator. Specifically, that anti-gun laws will be ignored by ninety percent of murderers. Meanwhile you seem to want one-hundred percent of victims to give up their right to defend themselves.

          • That’s funny.

            I suppose you’re one of those weirdos that believe the American government was behind the Oklahoma bombing, and are also responsible for covering up the little green men they have at Roswell. Once you claim that the entire world’s scientific community is a left-wing conspiracy against you then you reveal yourself as way out on the fringe. Good luck with doing without science by the way.

            The stats are indeed well documented, and don’t support the case you or Pratt are making:


            Incidentally if you are going to accuse our government of fiddling the figures I’ll remind you it is a Conservative one, and not of the ‘left’.

            • Now you are arguing with yourself. This is getting hilarious. Sorry, but a puppet show isn’t a debate. This is devolving into trolling, and getting boring.

              Helpful clue: if you want to know what someone thinks, you ask them.
              Helpful Clue#2: Telling people what they think is a desperation move, in addition to being nothing more than a troll’s gambit.

              If you don’t want to argue honestly, you can join the other trolls in the bin.

    • Nukeman60

      If they old country was so “perfect” why did you leave it in the first place?‘ – Wolfie

      He (Piers) was running from the law.


    • 20 of your younger fellow citizens are riddled with bullets because you made an assault rifle available to one of your fellow gun lovers.

      I’d rather be a ‘subject’ of the Queen anyday than have to grieve for my dead child. And I say that as a Republican who who quite happily be rid of our monarchy. But because they are an anachronism, not because the Queen denies me any freedoms I want that you have.

      • No, that many died because no one else was armed.

        • There is no way a nutter could get hold of any firearm in this country, god forbid an assault rifle. Our teachers can concentrate on teaching rather than worrying that a kid will fiddle with their ‘concealed weapon’ or part of their job description is to get into a shoot-out with a guy in body-armour who walks in the door blasting away with a semi-automatic.

          • You’re dreaming. That’s exactly what they thought in Norway, too.

            God save the children from dangerous ideas like yours.

          • Nukeman60

            Please give me your definition of ‘assault rifle’. I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

      • Nukeman60

        Forcing that school to be a ‘gun free zone’ and then publicly broadcasting it has a lot more to do with being responsible for those horrendous deaths. Stop using the deaths of our precious children to advance you gun control agenda.

        If the Principal had been armed when she approached that gunman, those children may well be alive today (much like the Oregon mall gun shooter decided to take his own life merely by seeing a citizen with a gun confronting him).

        As to you and your Queen, I’d rather die on my feet (and die defending our precious children) than live on my knees. You can keep your style of living. You also may thank your lucky stars that you don’t enter my house uninvited.

  • stage9

    I think I see where Pratt may have gotten his number….

    According to http://www.citizensreportuk.org, the “number of Homicides (victims) in SCOTLAND” 2010-2011 was 97.

    I think Pratt may have just gotten the number wrong.

    Nonetheless, the number of homicides in England and Wales between 2010-2011 was 648, of those 58 were gun related. That means that in 590 cases, murderers found OTHER ways to murder.

    Where there’s a will there’s a way.

    • The total number of homicides by all means in 2011:

      UK = 724

      USA =16,259

      So you have 22 times the total homicide rate, despite having just six times our population.

      That’s for the simple reason that you have 11,000+ gun homicides.


      • Interesting assumption about complexity there. There couldn’t possibly be other factors at play, could there? “Why no, we don’t need to look at those. We’re doing science here! In fact, we can use those same six tree rings to show we should ban guns as a cause of global warming!”

        How many thousands of miles of border does the UK share with other countries?

        How many more large population centers are there in the US versus the UK?

        Have you ever dealt with logistics? You do know that doubling the number of soldiers more than quadruples the problems of transportation, right? Complexity is not linear.

        • Europe is right next door to us, and we have neighbours in war zones such a Libya, Palestine, and Iraq. We have far more miles of borders in Europe, a greater population, more population centres, and a greater diversity a languages religions and cultures. We have huge inward migration from Africa and other poor countries.

          Yet the total number of gun murders in Europe is less than an eighth of yours.

          The single factor that differs – your lax gun laws.

          More guns = more gun killings

          The statistics show it.

          Sorry if the truth hurts.

          • Nice try. Number of miles of shared border is zero, of course. But the foolscap looks good.

            Good luck expanding your argument into Europe. Europe’s crime rate has vastly increased versus the US over several years. It’s no surprise there, with the creeping islamization and the under reporting of it by spineless media.

            The statistics show that more guns equals less crime. Overwhelmingly.

            You don’t have to like it.

  • I posted this elsewhere, but I think it deserves to be posted here as well:

    Top stories:
    Son Uses Dad’s AR-15 To Defend Home
    CA Businessman Kills Five Gang Members
    Citizen Stops Shooting Spree & Saves Cop by Making 150yd Shot With Pistol
    GA Woman Kills Would Be Rapist With .22 Pistol
    11 Year Old Girl Defends Home with .22 Rifle.

    Much more news about guns *saving* lives and stopping criminals here:

    We have GOT to get the TRUTH out about lives being SAVED and Criminal SCUM being STOPPED (Sometimes for ever) by Law Abiding Citizens, exercising their Constitutional Right to Defend themselves!!!) Fight back! Hit them with REAL life examples (like the ones to be found on the website above) to counter their Libtard theoretical garbage of a straw man they have constructed!!

    • stage9

      “Citizen Stops Shooting Spree & Saves Cop by Making 150yd Shot With Pistol”

      I love this story.

      • Good thing you saw it here, because the MSM is NEVER going to cover it! 🙁

        • stage9

          I’ve already resolved that I’m not going to get news from the MSN. That ship has already sailed and there’s no changing its course. It’s up to us to post this info on as many news and social media sites as possible. It’s the least we can do as citizens.

          • You’re speaking my language! 🙂

    • If you saved so many lives with your guns – how come you have a piles of bodies all over the place?

      How come you have 16,000+ murders a year, and we have just 724?

      • Nukeman60

        So tell me where these ‘piles of bodies’ are coming from. Chicago? Gun free zone (totally banned and the largest violent crime in the US). Ok, Washington D.C.? Nope same as Chicago. How about Boston, Ma. Hmmm, the same. And on and on.

        I’m seeing a trend here. The stricter the gun control, the worse the crime rate is. What do you know. I think we’ve put our finger on the trigger, so to speak.

        • How is Chicago ‘gun free’ when anyone can buy a gun in another state without any background checks and travel across state lines.

          The only way to be gun free in your country would be to ban all guns everywhere. We’ve done that in the UK for handguns at least, and shotguns are only allowed to farmers and rifles to hunters under strict license. Even we’re not completely ‘gun free’ which is why we still have some gun killings.

          But only 39 compared to your 11,000+

          We haven’t had a school shooting since we tightened up the law.

          You have a pile of 20 dead little children, riddled with bullets from a gun owned by someone with the same views as yourself.

          If you insist on the right for anyone who wants one to have an assault rifle you have their blood on your hands.

          • Nukeman60

            The only way to be gun free in your country would be to ban all guns everywhere.‘ – D M

            Kinda like the UK is gun free, right? And your crime stats are the lowest in the world (well, maybe at Mother Jones, but ask those in Scotland).

            BTW, you need to learn what an ‘assault rifle’ is.

        • How is Chicago ‘gun free’ when anyone can buy a gun in another state without any background checks and travel across state lines.

          The only way to be gun free in your country would be to ban all guns everywhere. We’ve done that in the UK for handguns at least, and shotguns are only allowed to farmers and rifles to hunters under strict license. Even we’re not completely ‘gun free’ which is why we still have some gun killings.

          But only 39 compared to your 11,000+

          We haven’t had a school shooting since we tightened up the law.

          You have a pile of 20 dead little children, riddled with bullets from a gun owned by someone with the same views as yourself.

          If you insist on the right for anyone who wants one to have an assault rifle you have their blood on your hands.

  • Rightstuff1

    Scoop – the 900+ deaths that Pratt refers to are the total numbers of murders, homicides in England & Wales. So it may have been 38 or whatever gun deaths but there were 900 approx other murders sans guns.

    • Not true – we had 724 total murders. I’ve given the source above.

      Morgan specifically asked for the figure for gun murders which is 39. Pratt fabricated his figure of 970, and Morgan was right to call him out for it.

      But if you want to compare all murders by whatever method, your murder rate is still vastly higher than ours.

      • KenInMontana

        Considering the FBI classifies all crime related deaths as murders, regardless of the final verdict, while the British Government is well known and documented to “massage” statistics, basing their “facts” on whatever the final formal charge is. For example, the FBI still counts a verdict of manslaughter as a “murder” for statistical purposes, while your government does not, and counts them as two different statistics.

        • Interesting. Our country does the same thing with birth statistics. If I recall correctly, we count every visit where a woman produces either a premature fetus or a baby, either living or dead, as a “birth”, and then count the dead ones, or any who die while in the hospital as infant mortality victims. In Europe, only babies born alive, and not obviously in the process of dying are eligible to be included as infant mortality victims, should they die later.

          • Homicide statistics from this country are simply the number of dead-bodies with bullets in, minus the number of self-inflicted suicides. Its a simple count of dead people, regardless of what the perpetrator may later be charged with if caught.

            Get your facts right.

            39 gun homicides – both murder and manslaughter – in the UK last year.

            Sorry if the truth hurts.

            • You are hiding behind one statistic like a fig leaf. Meanwhile you’ve been presented with ample evidence that your one statistic is not comparable, but you’ve ignored that evidence. You have also ignored other evidence about crime rates and the use of guns in self-defense. Then you repeat your cowardly mantra about truth apparently hurting.

              It’s only hurting you. And your schtick is boringly weak.

            • Nukeman60

              ‘Homicide statistics from this country are simply the number of dead-bodies with bullets in, minus the number of self-inflicted suicides‘ – D M

              You’ve said this several times. Why don’t you get an official statement (your supposedly favorite source) to show that terminology. That is something you made up to sound good, but you don’t back it up with an official definition.

              Sorry if reality hurts, because reality is closer to truth than skewed arguments.

  • ArtyS

    Larry Pratt is one of the most mature, calm and reasoned adults in America. He is dealing with a spoiled brat of world class proportions in the same way a responsible parent treats a brat in a grocery or toy store – firmly with no bargaining, pleading, cajoling or surrendering. He is so far above our elected leaders en masse, they look to him like ants. We need so many more just like him.

  • Tommy.. go home and try to make a difference in your own country!

  • WhiteGuy2

    Britain’s violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.
    Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa – widely considered one of the world’s most dangerous countries.

    The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.
    In the decade following the party’s election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million – or more than two every minute.
    The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:
    The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
    It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
    The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
    It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.
    But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.
    In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

    The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609. Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: ‘This is a damning indictment of this government’s comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.


    • barney59

      Great Post WG2 / Thanks

    • Sorry – an opinion piece by someone in the Daily Mail (the nearest thing we have to Fox TV) is not the official record. We don’t have the worst crime rate in the European Union – and as far as gun murders are concerned Switzerland has by far the highest rate – which is hardly surprising since their citizen army are required to keep rifles at home.

      You can check out the official statistics for yourself here:


      • Here are figures from a more respectable conservative source – all crime has been dropping, and total homicides have been dropping in the UK from shortly after we started to introduce gun control legislation in 1996:


        • Nukeman60

          I thought you said to only use statistics and official records. Your article only shows surveys taken. Is that because if the facts don’t fit your agenda, you decry them as false, but if they look good to you, they are spot on? That’s a lot like our polls over here. Do we trust them any more than your idiotic numbers? Nope.

          • That Telegraph report is based on official figures. Figures for crimes such as homicide are not based on survey – that would be plain silly (have you been shot and killed in the last twelve months?). They are based on counting dead bodies with bullet holes in them.

            Minor crimes are measured by survey – this is in order to capture all crime, and not just that reported to the police – some people just don’t bother to report petty crime like mobile phone theft. These give higher figures than police reports, and is hardly evidence that we are trying to massage the figures downwards.

          • That Telegraph report is based on official figures. Figures for crimes such as homicide are not based on survey – that would be plain silly (have you been shot and killed in the last twelve months?). They are based on counting dead bodies with bullet holes in them.

            Minor crimes are measured by survey – this is in order to capture all crime, and not just that reported to the police – some people just don’t bother to report petty crime like mobile phone theft. These give higher figures than police reports, and is hardly evidence that we are trying to massage the figures downwards.

            • Nukeman60

              And here in the US, it is estimated that 2-2.5 million cases of gun defense have successfully occured (most without firing a shot). Without guns, the criminals are vastly more successful, which you appear to want, seeing that it’s exactly what happened in England and Wales after your gun ban.

        • KenInMontana
  • colliemum

    So the slimy git is looking ‘for some sense of humanity’ – does that mean that if Mr Pratt and the NRA would have been on TV weeping and wailing, the British tosser would not have been clamouring for people control?

    Yeah, pull the other one.

  • barney59

    An Obama sycophant spewing his rhetoric across the airwaves…

  • badbadlibs

    Unless it’s that wretched man (piers) being led off in hand cuffs, being put on a leaky boat back to the land he deserted and was spawned….I can’t bare to watch it.


    Larry Pratt quoted the Telegraph as his source for murders in the UK, so I went looking for it. Is this what he meant? (He must’ve been reading upside down.)


  • aposematic

    Really have no clue as to why anyone would waste any of their time to even so much as give this fool Piers Morgan the time of day. Oops, just wasted 60 seconds.

  • aposematic

    Hmmm, 150 yard shot with a pistol?????? Just watched the clip. The man says 65 yards, but that too was a very good shot! He didn’t say type of gun but did say magnum round, maybe 357?

  • You sound like a whiny schoolgirl Piers go back to AGT more suited to your lack of ability

  • Eric Beck

    “Now to be fair, I’m not sure where Pratt got his number of 970 gun murders in England/Wales for 2011. He said it was in the Telegraph after his last interview with Morgan but I couldn’t find it after several Google searches. But regardless,…” NO!!! NOT “regardless”! That number is the basis of Pratt’s argument! Whether you’re s strong supporter of the 2nd (I am) or not, TRUTH is paramount for EVERY American as we attempt to prevent 20 small children – and plenty of adults – from getting their brains blown out. Polarization on the issue is literally KILLING us, because GUARANTEED, plenty of pro-gun folks are getting murdered as well as a result of insane policies coupled with lousy enforcement of existing laws.

  • 12grace

    I’m glad that Larry Pratt did not handle himself like Alex Jones. But, Piers continues to be an elitist idiot. If he likes gun control so much let him go back to the UK where gun control has increased the crime rate exponentially.

    The Latest Murder Statistics for the World From the World Health Organization

    Murders Per 100,000 Citizens:
    Honduras 91.6
    El Salvador 69.2
    Cote d’lvoire 56.9
    Jamaica 52.2
    Venezuela 45.1
    Belize 41.4
    US Virgin Islands 39.2
    Guatemala 38.5
    Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
    Zambia 38.0
    Uganda 36.3
    Malawi 36.0
    Lesotho 35.2
    Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
    Colombia 33.4
    South Africa 31.8
    Congo 30.8
    Central African Republic 29.3
    Bahamas 27.4
    Puerto Rico 26.2
    Saint Lucia 25.2
    Dominican Republic 25.0
    Tanzania 24.5
    Sudan 24.2
    Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
    Ethiopia 22.5
    Guinea 22.5
    Dominica 22.1
    Burundi 21.7
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
    Panama 21.6
    Brazil 21.0
    Equatorial Guinea 20.7
    Guinea-Bissau 20.2
    Kenya 20.1
    Kyrgyzstan 20.1
    Cameroon 19.7
    Montserrat 19.7
    Greenland 19.2
    Angola 19.0
    Guyana 18.6
    Burkina Faso 18.0
    Eritrea 17.8
    Namibia 17.2
    Rwanda 17.1
    Mexico 16.9
    Chad 15.8
    Ghana 15.7
    Ecuador 15.2
    North Korea 15.2
    Benin 15.1
    Sierra Leone 14.9
    Mauritania 14.7
    Botswana 14.5
    Zimbabwe 14.3
    Gabon 13.8
    Nicaragua 13.6
    French Guiana 13.3
    Papua New Guinea 13.0
    Swaziland 12.9
    Bermuda 12.3
    Comoros 12.2
    Nigeria 12.2
    Cape Verde 11.6
    Grenada 11.5
    Paraguay 11.5
    Barbados 11.3
    Togo 10.9
    Gambia 10.8
    Peru 10.8
    Myanmar 10.2
    Russia 10.2
    Liberia 10.1
    Costa Rica 10.0
    Nauru 9.8
    Bolivia 8.9
    Mozambique 8.8
    Kazakhstan 8.8
    Senegal 8.7
    Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
    Mongolia 8.7
    British Virgin Islands 8.6
    Cayman Islands 8.4
    Seychelles 8.3
    Madagascar 8.1
    Indonesia 8.1
    Mali 8.0
    Pakistan 7.8
    Moldova 7.5
    Kiribati 7.3
    Guadeloupe 7.0
    Haiti 6.9
    Timor-Leste 6.9
    Anguilla 6.8
    Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
    Lithuania 6.6
    Uruguay 5.9
    Philippines 5.4
    Ukraine 5.2
    Estonia 5.2
    Cuba 5.0
    Belarus 4.9
    Thailand 4.8
    Suriname 4.6
    Laos 4.6
    Georgia 4.3
    Martinique 4.2
    All The Countries Above America Have 100% Gun Bans Or Are Close To It.
    And United States 4.2


    • What you failed to mention is that the rate for the UK is 0.01 – and if instead of comparing the USA to third-world countries and war zones; you compare the USA to Europe, Canada, Australia and Japan you won’t find a country where the gun homicide rate is as much as a tenth of yours.

      If you wish to compare the US to other countries this is a useful tool funded by the Swiss government – which gun advocates are usually a fan of because it has a ‘well-regulated miltia’:


      • hbnolikeee

        What you dimly forget is that most gun related murders happen in large urban communities where the UK has 30 and the US has 180 such communities so save the cooked numbers.

      • Nukeman60

        So, if the UK has about 63 million people today and the murder rate is 0.01 per 100,000 people, that would mean there are a little over 6 total murders per year in the UK (source- simple math). So if there are 39 gun murders per year and only 6 total murders (your stats), that would mean all other types of murder add up to a minus 33 per year. Nice job. How does that work, by the way. We certainly could use a minus number of homicides everywhere.

        Try to keep your facts consistent. Don’t fall into the Piers Morgan mode.

      • 12grace

        Thank you for the link.

        I am very sorry for the citizens of the UK and Australia, the crime rate is soaring since their governments took away their guns, and the people of these great nations are suffering.

  • Larry Pratt’s 970 figure refers to all homocides within a year (not just with guns). He also pointed out that the figures are massaged.

    • Marky_D

      Yep, and the point is – who cares? Piers Moron would have you believe that being murdered with a knife is fine and dandy it’s only being murdered with a gun that is to be feared.

    • Not true – and it would appear that Pratt was referring to a claim made in the 1990’s that figures for petty theft were ‘massaged’ by shifting the goalposts regarding definitions.

      It’s not so easy to do that with gun homicides. You just count up the number of dead bodies with bullets in them.

      • Nukeman60

        Yep, That’s what you should do. But it appears in the UK, they don’t count a gun murder unless there’s an actual conviction. But that’s not even the issue. Tell me how bad the gun murders were, per year, in the decade prior to the gun ban.

        Piers tries to say that the gun ban is the reason for the discrepancy between the UK and the US and totally ignores the true causes of the violent crime problems, both in the US and in the UK. It appears, so do you.

        • Not true – the figures for gun homicides are the total number of people killed with guns. Which ones are murders and which ones are manslaughter is sorted out after the event.

          Our definition of ‘Gun Homicide’ is precisely the same as yours, and accepted by your and international authorities as such.

          Sorry if the truth hurts.

          As for the decades before the ban, we also had a lower numbers of homicides than you did then. But we also had very strict gun laws – it was almost impossible to get a hand gun for example, and if you did have one you had to keep it a gun range, and could only use it there. What we did in 1996 was to make even that impossible.

          • Nukeman60

            If the numbers don’t change for decades, but other violent crime escalates after your gun ban, then you can’t use some event in the middle of that span to say it was the cause of the differences between our two countries (a difference that has been proven to be a false indicator of what the real problem is).

            Face it, you don’t like guns, you’re afraid of them, and therefore you think banning guns from law-abiding citizens will stop the criminals from being criminals. It appears the decades of your own history hasn’t taught you anything.

            The 2nd Amendment gives us the Constitutional right to bear arms. You don’t have that and I would think you would have learned the leasson of 1776 to understand it. I suppose, to some of you, it still burns.

  • Marky_D

    I like this guy – he is cool as a cucumber. Loved the George III bit.

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  • dangler017

    typical liberal telling larry at the very end “you’re no freind of mine” what haters. because larry’s opinion doesn’t align with his, he must insult him.

  • I live in the UK and can assure you that Morgan’s figure of 39 homicides is correct. If there really were an additional 930 dead people with bullet holes in them, don’t you think that people here would notice?

    I’m afraid Morgan is correct, and Pratt is a liar.

  • freedompatriot

    Hey Obamaboy, Guns don’t kill people Abortions do sponsored by Planned ParentHood!

  • The majority age group for all murders in 2011 was by people under age 22. We should therefore lock up all people until they reach age 22.


    • Nukeman60

      Anybody over the age of 22 who’s raised kids would tend to agree with you (j/k – my kids were perfect, ahem). Plus it would bring down the unemployment rate, so I’m surprised Obama isn’t onboard.

      • Oh, he’s probably down with a late, late, post-abortion bill that would let you end the life of anyone under 22 who isn’t “viable.”

        That goes right in there with death panels, and the Liverpool Care Pathway that lets ’em erase people over 65.

        No tyranny here, folks! Keep moving.

  • The majority age group for all murders in 2011 was by people under age 22. We should therefore lock up all people until they reach age 22.


  • After reading the thread. I want to say congrats to K-Bob and Nukeman60 for your systematic taking apart of Morrison’s argument regarding gun control and murder rates etc. You guys did a really good job. It’s been a pleasure to watch/read. Thanks guys!

  • Pratt got his information from this article in the Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

    The article directly contradicts other Telegraph articles claiming crime and specifically murder is down in the UK. The only issue Pratt had was that he misspoke and said there were 970 when it was in fact 927. While 970 is the wrong number it is at least close. That 927 is a far, far cry from the 30-50 that the lunatic Piers Morgan claims occurred.

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  • StanTheMan100

    The main thing with guns is that they are designed to kill. That is their sole purpose.

    They are extremely dangerous and simple to use. People as a group are much too unstable to be allowed to have easy access to these items.
    The whole discussion never seems to address the basic nature of guns and their purpose.

    Richard Nixon had it right when he said “Guns are an abomination”. So many presidents, political leaders, John Lennon, the list goes on and on..