By The Right Scoop


This debate was largely a colossal waste of time, but this exchange was absolutely my favorite. Santorum went after Romney on the debate, forcing him to even defend the individual mandate, and basically beat him down with ObamaCare.

This is the full exchange that runs seven minutes. I think this is why Santorum won the debate in my opinion:

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  • Anonymous

    Santorum had a very strong night!

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MJGP4QXZ5PRW2MFA5E25CV2WNU rosalie

      He not only had a very strong night, it proves that these debates aren’t a waste of time. With each debate we’re learning that Romney will not be able to stand up to O.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rick.rsh Rick4Burke

    FINALLY SOMEONE DID IT

  • http://twitter.com/PuritanD71 PuritanD71

    I agree that this is the best part and favorite of the debate. Santorum took it to Romney and demonstrated why Romney must not be the nominee for president.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    I think Santorum did great all night, but yes, this was one of my favorite parts too!!!

  • Anonymous

    Rick gave him no quarter. Excellent exchange.

  • Anonymous

    Tonight helped me decide to vote for Santorum on Tuesday.

  • Anonymous

    Why people don’t think he is strong is beyond me. He has always made great points in the debates. I have heard people say they want him to stop reciting his resume… isn’t that exactly what they are suppose to be doing in these debates along with articulating their differences. Santorum is my first choice and my money has been on him (to him) for the past few months, with Newt running a close second.

    • Anonymous

      It’s a catch 22…

      Sarah Palin never cited her record and I understood why. But it had negative effects. Nobody knew much about her Alaskan achievements .

      Rick Santorum has said in a townhall, he knows sometimes people ask him why he states what he did, but he has to distinguish himself.
      So Santorum, has to state his case, but you’re damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

    • Anonymous

      You and I are looking in the mirror… I feel the same way. :)

  • Anonymous

    Newt’s my guy, but I was actually yelling, “Go get ‘em Rick! Keep after him!” when I was watching this.

    I just like watching Mitt squirm. :)

    • Anonymous

      I’m a Paul supporter, but I was proud of Rick for doing that. Kudos Rick.

      • Anonymous

        I honestly felt this was Dr. Paul’s best debate too. I support Santorum but kudos to Ron.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, Santorum was unwavering in his attack on Romneycare…I also agree that the debate was a waste of time again. I think we have all been spoiled by Newt’s standing O’s that we always want one now. I think Newt had good moments, and so did Ron, and even Romney answered well on Palestine..it just wasn’t SC and now Newt will pay for that.

    • Anonymous

      I think that a lot of people might be rethinking electability now. Romney’ numbers might just come down a bit.

  • http://twitter.com/doorsxp Doors Xp

    Santorum had a very good performance. Unfortunately, since he has no chance of winning FL and will get about 10-15% of the vote, he is about to officially become the SPOILER. (I don’t think he’s going to like what that entails.) By repeatedly equating Newt and Romney on virtually every attack, he blunted the impact on Romney. Net effect is a meaningless boost to his distant 3rd/4th place finish, at the likely expense of a Romney win.

    If Romney wins, I think we all lose, and I believe the net impact Santorum has on this race is a win for Romney when he otherwise would have lost in a Newt vs. Romney only contest. So, it’s kinda hard to get excited about Santorum’s performance.

    • Anonymous

      While you may be right, I am not willing to give up on Santorum. I hope he finds a way to stay in for a long time. I think if he can do what he did last night and let Newt/Mitt keep putting their warts out for all to see, he will get a strong second look.
      In other words, I’m not willing to settle for less just because yesterday’s poll suggests he is trailing. That is dumb.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you (I think). Santorum won’t win Florida… which is regretful.

      But I think he may enjoy a momentum swing after Florida. One can dream… :)

      Romney must be stopped!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_75Q74KBZBS2PVRG6BTHURTH6LI Frank Ross

    Google Translate to the rescue

    input language: trs
    word or phrase “largely a collossal waste of time”
    output language: english
    translation: man i’m ticked about how thoroughly mittsy tore into newtsy

  • Anonymous

    Does anyone notice how Flip has that wry, squirmy, cheshire cat grin on his face.

    Is he not the most weasely character you’ve ever seen. Honestly, Flip’s really make me like Mccain.

    …..Megan

    • Anonymous

      Almost exactly what my wife says.

      • Anonymous

        Your wife has excellent perspicacity.

        Jimmy Carter has that same damn ridiculous look.

        It’s like Flip’s waiting for the director to yell…..”CUT”

    • Anonymous

      Oh. Heh. What do you know? I just commented about that before I read this. :)

      Might I just say you have an excellent point? ;)

  • ApplePie101

    Say I refuse to buy health insurance, and refuse to pay the fine. Are they going to put me in prison now?

    • Anonymous

      That’s nothing to get angry about

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002838321254 Mike Florey

      Yes. Prison. Where, ironically, you will receive free health care.

      • Anonymous

        Nice try, but hat has already been debunked

    • Anonymous

      I think that it is more about taking your property first. You would probably lose everything before they put you in prison. The IRS will enforce the law, so they will take your tax returns, then levy fines, and then take anything of value. It would probably take a while. They would rather collect your fines than do all the rest. It costs too much to take you property, and they figure that most people will probably pay the fines, as many do in Mass. It is just another way for the federal reserve to take the wealth out of society using the IRS, as our tax dollars go to service the debt. The IRS is the Fed’s collection goon. This is what Romney did in Mass. and what Gingrich supported for twenty years. It is called “the globalist agenda”.

      edit: All that government does is at the end of the barrel of a gun, ultimately. (force) You can take the same perspective and apply it to federal income taxes, social security, etc, etc.

      • ApplePie101

        If that plays out, I will make sure it plays out publicly. I wouldn’t be the first nor the last martyr to American liberty. Because that’s what’s at stake here.

  • http://twitter.com/StandWithAZ Stand With Arizona

    The debate was NOT a waste of time, because it helped to expose Newt’s preposterous positions on immigration. With Santorum dismantling Mittens, and Mittens dismantling Newt, hopefully we will see Santorum gain strength in FL and beyond.

    • Anonymous

      Like X 100

    • Anonymous

      “Mittens,” You must be a Micheal Berry listener. Ha Ha. No doubt the leaders are destroying one another. But Santorum is going to need money to stay in the game. God bless his efforts for corageously standing up for what he believes in. Not unlike Ron Paul in that respect.

  • http://onthemark1.blogspot.com On The Mark

    It sounds like Rick has been reading up on Romneycare. Regardless, he is right in saying it will be impossible for Romney to make a credible argument against Obamacare.

  • Anonymous

    David Axelrod is already tweeting his thanks to Romney for defending Obamacare. There’s no point in voting in that slot if Romney is the nominee as Coleman say Romney is not going to repeal it but tweak it to be a great success like R-Care.

  • Anonymous

    Help Scoop … took me 15 minutes to get through this clip.

    • K-Bob

      I think the server is getting hit pretty hard right now.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      Oh I had it set to DVD quality. I switched it to standard.

      • Anonymous

        There you go again. Providing the highest quality to us commoners.

        Just let us eat cake. (Or ganache, if you do not mind) ;)

        GB

  • Mary Beth House

    Santorum won the debate but it feels like a Pyrrhic victory at best.

    If his numbers go up in Florida, they’ll take away from the only viable challenge to Mitt in that state…which is Newt.

    So while I’m pleased the conservative message is getting great attention, in the long run, he’s actually hurting the conservative agenda by diluting the opposition to Mitt and helping ensure a win for Mitt.

    In other words, he’s a spoiler.

    • Anonymous

      I disagree, MBH

      Newt should drop out and endorse Santorum , lol

      Newt rose, then fell.. then rose again. Now he’s falling

      Santorum is one of those candidates that can build a coalition.

      Romney voters can switch to Santorum with more ease, than they would to Newt because of Newt’s unfavorables…

      and Newt people who bash him constantly, will forgive him, if Newt endorses him.

      Santorum proved he can debate because he does his homework and understands the law and can break it down and he proved in the long term he can continue to dismantle Romney…

      he’s actually hurting the conservative agenda by diluting the opposition to Mitt and helping ensure a win for Mitt.

      Or maybe he’s a spare, just in case….

      This is as whack as the theory that Santorum should have droppped out in South Carolina. Because if he didn’t , it would be impossible for Newt Gingrich to beat Romney. Santorum said , “no, i’m staying in”

      and Romney didn’t win under that conventional assumption that Rick was playing spoiler in S.C.

      Conservatives are putting too much Stock in Newt gingrich as if he can run a marathon race . There is no reason for him, to start dropping in Florida…he’s been negatively attacked before..

    • Anonymous

      How about we just vote principle and quit getting twisted up in polls folks? If Santorum best matches your positions, you should be brave enough to stand behind him. Good grief….this Poll watching is going to tank this party.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed that he will not win Florida… wish he would though. Sadly, I hate it but Mittens will likely win.

      Rick and Gingrich split the vote, which sucks.

    • Anonymous

      I agree, but like Ron Paul, his message needs to be heard loud and often. I don’t get why people like Romney. I don’t like that he allows the mud slinging and I like it even less that he is calling Gingrich ‘foolish’ and basically saying he is old and a ppealing to America’s love for youth, money and power. Are we really that shallow? The answer is, “yes.’ Not only is it untrue it is sleezy!

  • http://twitter.com/doorsxp Doors Xp

    Santorum had one of his best performances (when it probably doesn’t matter).

    Newt had one of his worst performances (when probably he needed a great one).

    It’s pretty depressing. A setback to the rebellion.

    Unfortunately the empire struck back hard after Newt blew-up their death star in SC. It’s been an all out imperial assault in FL. Mitt basically said to Newt “Who’s your daddy?” while viciously hacking away at him. Han Solo has been frozen in carbonite. Etc. etc.

    Maybe Newt has a twin sister with the “force” to lead the rebellion against the empire. Possibly some Ewoks will endorse Newt and he can turn Mitt away from the dark side?

    Sorry…I got carried away.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

    Who was the one getting angry? MR does not have grace under fire.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002838321254 Mike Florey
    • Anonymous

      Apparently all three of them have supported it at some point. No big surprise.

      • Y314K

        Read both today’s articles & the original 1994 article before u make up u’r mind…

        • Anonymous

          I don’t really need any article. Santorum and Gingrich were two of the people who took me for a sucker back then. I was a sucker. Not any more. You see, I knew what NAFTA and GATT meant to this country when it was being debated back then. I knew that these guys were sellouts when they supported this garbage. I knew that these treaties would send our jobs overseas.

          If I never heard of them again after that, and then had to choose to support them, or not, now, I wouldn’t have any problem figuring that out. When you sell out your country, you cannot be trusted from that day forward to be in power. This is what people need to start realizing. You will hear distortions, and lots of stories, but for those of us who were paying attention back then, it doesn’t work. As for the rest of the country, well, you can see for yourself.

          These two are globalist sellouts. They will sell us out again. They lie. That is what they spent many years getting good at. The only one on that stage that has been working for you and me, and our sovereignty, is Ron Paul. Don’t give up on the US so quickly.

          • Y314K

            Sorry… Won’t follow u there… I don’t like waiting to play defense till the baddies are in my living room… But I do support u’r not-Romney choice…

            • Anonymous

              I certainly don’t expect a victory for the US in this year’s election. I wouldn’t be in it at all if Paul wasn’t in it. I figure that I have to support the guy while he is making the effort. I believe that the other four guys will take us down pretty much equally. Obama might speed up the process a little bit more. A lot can happen between now and November. We might not even make it till then, currency wise. We now have India trading for oil in gold, rather than Fed notes. Its just a matter of time, and it won’t be long.

    • Y314K

      Nice try… But I am still waiting to find an quote from Santorum… All the reporter says is that Santorum along with another candidate supports a plan… But neither of Santorum or the other guy gets quoted…

      “The Morning Call does not quote Santorum making comments supportive of an individual mandate, or quote any other candidates in the piece, which attempts to summarize several candidates’ positions on health care.” – From the post about the original article…

      What the reporter quotes can easily be interpreted multiple ways…

      “”Santorum and [his opponent] would require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for employee benefits,” The Morning Call (Pa.) reported in 1994. The Morning Call noted that Santorum had also called for a MediSave account and had opposed so-called “sin” taxes.” – NOT A SANTORUM QUOTE but a reporter Quote…

      And what does “rather than forcing” means… Does it mean all residents have to buy insurance like in Massachusetts… Or does it just mean that Employers are not gonna be forced to provide it… And if an individual wants to buy insurance then they will need to choose it… Seems Santorum is more in favor of MadiSave Accounts then Mandated RomneyCare..

      All the Mandate parts of the full article talks about others with some direct quotes… Mandate and Santorum never come together in the whole article… But nice try RomneyRINOMachine…

    • Anonymous

      That’s one of those “newspaper” moments where there is no there there when you examine the instance.

      As Y314K pointed out before.

      Secondly, If it was an issue, then Newt and Romney would have brought up the last few times.

      And Rick Santorum doesn’t come off as one to “hide” a contradiction to make the claim…

    • Y314K

      Talk about being consistent…. Something that Romney & even Newt can not say…

      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/61219-1

      WATCH IT!!! In the first 5 minutes he kills Hillary Care & MANDATES!!!

      The Rick Santorum of 1994 is the same Rick Santorum we saw last night in the debate…

    • Anonymous

      Sorry, this one has already been debunked

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Florey/100002838321254 Mike Florey

        You’re absolutely right,Dave. I pulled the trigger before vetting the ‘source’. It looks like a newspaper said that another newspaper said.
        Scoop, you can pull down this post.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

      No Mike, he doesn’t…. it is another Romney lie. Here is the proof that Santorum did not support the individual mandate…. in his own words.

      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/61219-1

  • Anonymous

    It’s January and we are in the 4th state. Let’s not keep defaulting to the “conventional wisdom”. How has that worked out it the past for us? The longer this thing goes, the better for our side. We will vet these people thoroughly, and keep Obama off balance and not focused on destroying our standard bearer.

  • http://twitter.com/volgeek Tim Jaggers

    As usual, Romney lies. Federal Law does not require that if you go to the hospital and you do not have insurance that you be treated for free. What Federal Law does do is prohibit the hospital from turning you away and requires the hospital to treat you. Afterwards, one of two things will happen. If you are poor, you will have the opportunity to apply for Medicaid and Medicaid will cover the bill. If you don’t qualify for Medicaid, you will get a bill and if you fail to pay it, the hospital will take you court. If the rich were getting free rides at the Mass hospitals, its the hospitals fault.

    • Anonymous

      The hospital cannot refuse you. They may bill you, or try to get it from government, but they have to treat you.

      • KenInMontana

        They are only required to stabilize your condition, at that point they can transfer you or send you on your way. In other words all they are required to do is staunch the blood flow.

        • Anonymous

          Where trauma is concerned, “stabilized” often means surgery, and much more. As for chronic disease, I would admit that long term care may be denied. This is where Paul is the strongest candidate. He advocates for a true free market in medicine. In this case, the cost of care could be reduced by up to 75%. Without government protecting drug companies, stomping out alternative medicine competition, dictating insurance, and punishing the providers of health care through the courts, the cost is far greater than it would be otherwise. Medical technology would be like computers. It would be expensive at first, then get cheap as competition ensued, and new technologies advanced, and they would much faster.

          If government were out of health care completely, a few thousand dollars in savings would negate the need for insurance in most cases. Without the Federal Reserve, and all the legislation that created the real estate bubble, a person could save for seven to ten years and buy their house outright when the market corrects itself. If their house was paid for when they are young, they could save more for their old age health care. If SS wasn’t taken from my check, and I chose to put it in gold, I would be a rich man. Probably less so than now, because the dollar crashing is the only reason gold is so high.

          The entire system is designed to take my wealth, and my ability to prosper if I make good decisions. It is all based on the concept that I might not make good ones. In a free country, the young people look to the older people who made good decisions, and decide to make the same ones, because if they don’t, they will suffer for it, unlike the socialist system that we have now, that will implode with the currency.

          We will either choose to continue this process and decline, or we will change it. We need a revolution to change it, and I don’t see it happening any time soon. Sadly, for my children.

          • KenInMontana

            Sorry no, stabilized does not include surgery even where trauma is concerned, only in the rarest occasions when emergency surgery is the only option. In over 90% of cases stabilizing a patient means bandaging and possibly oxygen, more often than not, that’s it. Some hospitals (usually Catholic ones) will go beyond stabilizing the patient, but only because they have a charitable charter as well as the charitable trusts to back them financially.

            There are a myriad of things wrong with the healthcare industry and not all are a result of government. People insist on exhaustive trials for medicines and medical equipment, most aren’t willing, unless driven by extreme desperation, to be guinea pigs for unproven drugs or procedures. As for what comes out of the average person’s pay for SSI, well at current market prices you won’t be buying a lot of gold with it. At around $1900 an ounce, well I think you can do the math on that, and it is likely that speculation and fearmongering will drive the price even higher. As for the SSI system, that is another very complex and thorny animal to tackle, there are some workable systems out there, like the Chilean model, but the transition to that type of system will be a tricky one. I don’t think anyone really wants to push Grandma off the cliff or hurl Grandpa under the bus, that does not alter the fact that it needs to be addressed.

            There is no viable way to just throw a lever and switch this nation into a L. Niel Smith or Aaron Zelman Libertarian pipe dream of a world. The constant demagoguing about our “Socialist System” and how we are under some “jack booted tyranny” is precisely what drove me away from Libertarianism ( aside from the Rand Objectivists and the loony Anarchists) , listening to people droning on about tyranny that have never felt it, much less even seen it. I found most Libertarians as nonsensical and fantastical in their ideology as the Campus Communists I have had the displeasure of dealing with.
            Is the Federal government too large and in its tendencies too over reaching? Yes. Is it beyond repair with some hard work? No, not yet. But be careful, in what you wish for, Revolutions are as a rule, bloody and heartless affairs and in my experience the ones calling for them the loudest are those who have never dealt with the realities of Revolution up close and personal. You should fervently hope that your children never witness the horrors of Revolution.

            I really don’t feel like writing a “book” on this tonight, so I will just leave this where it sits for tonight, perhaps later but for now fini.

            • Anonymous

              Thanks for your response. I don’t advocate for a total shutdown of the social systems, but I would like the option to not be in them. I have been paying social security for thirty years. If all of that money had gone to gold, during that time, I would be a rich man now. The only reason gold is so high, is because of people taking refuge in it to get rid of dollars. Savings would yield much more than I will ever get out of SSI. As it is, I pay almost four hundred per month in SSI tax. I call it a tax because I have no choice, and it goes directly to government to spend.

              I don’t personally believe that the system will change any time soon. I believe our currency will fail before there is any substantial change. I don’t worry about a revolution in America. Government is too big, and the radical groups are too small. If those guys come out, it will likely be after the collapse. Personally, I’ll be looking to avoid the whole mess as much as possible.

              I would like to see a political revolution. One that is based on the right ideas. We are so deep into the welfare state, that it would end up being a class war. Since our taxes go to service the debt, I would like to see a tax revolution as well. A real currency crisis will be chaotic. So much so, that I believe martial law will be declared. Looting and theft would be at a level that would shut down retail markets. Even food distribution.

              Our society is extremely fragile, and any major change in a short period of time would cause more harm than good. I agree that the Libertarian ideal is not going to happen. It is a pipe dream. I would sure like to see the people’s thinking go that direction. Maybe we could soften the blow when the time comes.

  • Anonymous

    Well… this debate was a complete and total waste of time. To say that I’m disappointed would be a gross understatement. Why did this need to go on for seven freakin’ minutes?! Make your damn point and go. RomneyCare equals ObamaCare. No it doesn’t. Okay, our next question is… No, no, no, no, I don’t think you heard me. RomneyCare is ObamaCare. Oh, well if you say so… I do. It’s terrible. Umm. Yeah, we all heard you the first time, Romney is horrible. We get it. No, no, no, I don’t think you do get it…

    You keep after it and it looks like this great attempt to tube Romney. It makes you look desperate and petty.
    It’s like badgering a witness on the stand. Your point will ultimately get lost because people will only remember the squabble.

    Seriously, where is the discipline? Why are they taking bait that asks them to disagree or agree with other canidades? Everybody should reject those questions and compare themselves to Obama. Oh, but no. We can’t do that. That’d be smart. Instead we end up lookin’ like a bunch of monkeys screwing a football out there! I cannot believe we are even in this position right now.

  • ApplePie101

    Republicans in Congress took action to repeal Obamacare a year ago. Did they repeal it? No. ‘Taking action’ to repeal is not the same thing as repealing it. Weasel words.

  • http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/an-election-year-dawns-without-keith-olbermann/?src=tp Unicon

    Rick looked like the adult in the room… Newt, not so much.

    http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2012/01/26/a-bad-night-for-newt-gingrich/

  • Anonymous

    This is great: A bunch of Romney ‘supporters’ in Florida with t-shirts and literature, when interviewed admit they are all being paid–the fellow says he supports Newt Gingrich! He says Romney’s too moderate, but since he’s unemployed he accepted $80 to wear the t-shirt and hand out the literature…..

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/26/floridian-claims-he-likes-newt-but-paid-to-campaign-for-romney-video/

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

      Mitt Romney is an embarrassment

    • Anonymous

      I thought only democrats and progressives do that.

      • Anonymous

        Exactly.

    • Anonymous

      Another leftist tactic.

  • http://twitter.com/Seanmj63376 Sean Johnson

    Santorum just gave a preview of what Obama will do the Mittens.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Mitt, it IS worth getting angry over! Jacka$$

  • Anonymous

    It opened my eyes to what Romneycare really is, for that I thank Santorum.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

    Vote for value, principle!! Don’t vote for “whoever can beat Obama Care”.The principle logic will win every time, with rational, logical thinkers. If the question is whether there are enough people who can think in bare minimum terms of logical assessments, so be it. America will crash if there aren’t enough anyway.

    • http://twitter.com/cfallon57 Cheryl Fallon

      No it won’t-you are talking to a very small group of people compared to the number that live in America and don’t chat on blogs or listen to talk radio-this isn’t how the game is played. Unfortunately America has lost her way morally and the founding fathers made it quite clear our Constitution was crafted for moral people-you can try but the game being played is to win-and it is about ELECTABILITY! It grieves me as well as you that value and principle isn’t the priority! But we left that along time ago!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

    Come to Hungary, I’ll show you Romney Care that has been working (NOT) for decades.

  • KenInMontana

    Santorum did alright tonight. Although it seemed he was getting a bit lost towards the end. One of his better debates all in all.

  • http://twitter.com/113KriEger 13Krieger

    It is really interesting because you can see the look on Rick Santorum’s face as he cannot believe what is coming out of RINO Romney’s mouth. He (Mittens) is saying he is against Obamacare but at the same time is for mandating healthcare insurance requirements just like Obamacare.

    Sorry Mittie ol boy you can’t have it both ways you twit! Mitt Romney is such a two faced liar and all the RomneyBots applauded….unbelievable!

    Rick Santorum….YOU RULED tonight!

    Too bad all these establishment types are so one sided that they cannot see the HUGE mistake they are making by supporting this lying, two-faced, double crossing, sack of progressive S_ _ _! as the GOP nominee. It just boggles the mind how STUPID some REPUBLICANS can act and think.

    I got news for you Marko Rubio….Romney is not a Conservative…he is a progressive and he (Mittens) even says so himself.

    • Anonymous

      Defending a RINO infects the defender with credibility questions on their own Conservatism

      • http://twitter.com/113KriEger 13Krieger

        agreed….and it is so sad to see because I had high hopes for Marco Rubio.

        • Anonymous

          I’m sure he had high hopes for Rogane, but that’s not happening either. Such is life.

  • http://twitter.com/BlueGoggles Steve

    The Hypocrisy of Santorum is Shocking. After attacking Newt and Romney about individual mandate, It turns out that Santorum also supported the individual mandate for health care.

    http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/01/09/401038/santorum-supported-individual-health-insurance-mandate-in-1994-republican-primary/

    • Anonymous

      Most cons supported a mandate during the 90s. It was considered a conservative policy to make lazy ne’er-do-wells get some insurance.

      • Trust1TG

        To continually accuse the other candidates when he did the same, is dishonest and disgusting.

    • Anonymous

      So, you tote around a think progress link and expect credibility? Easy on the meds Steve

    • Anonymous

      You lie! Your source is a progressive shill. As Y314K notes, watch the 1994 C-Span video as Santorum kills HillaryCare and mandates in the first 5 minutes. Furthermore, he stresses “You can’t force every American to do something they don’t want to do,” without fundamentally changing America.
      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/61219-1
      Santorum is THE consistent conservative willing to hold fast when the loyal opposition calls.

  • Anonymous

    Dear Floridians,
    If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Mr. Romney PLEAZZZZZE at least vote for this guy and not Gingrich or Paul!!!!
    Please don’t waste your precious vote on a whining nutjob, or the good-at-nothing-else-but-Great-Debater!!!
    signed,
    A very concerned citizen who never liked Romney, and thinks we could do better then Santorum

    • Trust1TG

      Please clarify. You seem to be against and not for any of the opponents.

  • Mike Lee

    Santorum may not be able to win the general and I’m not sure that he is POTUS material. (I get the sense that he is out of his league). However, I think he is the most logical choice for CONSERVATIVES if they want to be able to look themselves in the mirror regardless of the outcome of 2012. I’m not what you would call a social conservative, but I really don’t understand why he isn’t the obvious choice for those who claim they are. With Bachmann, Cain, and Perry out of the race – Santorum should be the choice for those voters. You won’t have to vote for Newt, a DC insider, ideas all over the map, low character; not for Mitt, who will say and do anything to win (and will sell out the base if he wins the general – you can count on that) and has the RomneyCare problem; nor Paul.

    To me, this should have been a two-man race: Romney vs. Santorum.

  • Anonymous

    The reply system does not seem to work, but Ariadnea asked on the full Debate page whether the constitutional challenges regarding Obama-care apply to Romney-care. So I searched and found a Hoover Institution discussion on Obama-Care posted 2 days ago by two leading constitutional scholars that addresses that question at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42pSCWSRRyQ . [The direct question on Romney-care starts at the 6:30 minute mark, but I have not finished watching this hour-long video.]

    Scoop should look over the video, and perhaps post an excerpt dealing with Romney-care.

    If you do not have time to watch the full video: On the individual mandate portion, according to noted constitutional expert Prof. Richard Epstein, the interstate commerce argument challenging Obama-care does not apply to Romney-care. But the individual-autonomy argument does apply to Romney-care and would make the individual mandate component in Romney-care unconstitutional in Richard Epstein’s view, though Epstein seems to feel this second argument will not resonate with the current Supreme Court.

    I predict how the Supreme Court rules on Obama-care and what argument it uses is going to shape this issue in the general election debate no matter who wins the Republican nomination. The question at the 1:20 minute mark is ominous, and I want to watch more of the video to find out why they responded that the Supreme Court could help Obama win reelection. [On a political note: Well-respected by conservatives Former Supreme Court nominee Robert Bork is an endorser of Mitt Romney; I wonder if Bork has informed Romney if the individual mandate component in Romney-care is unconstituional. Perhaps Romney in this debate was hedging his bets that the Supreme Court might find individual healthcare mandates constitutional, so Romney is de-emphasizing the constitutional difference between Obama-care and Romney-care and trying to thread the political needle between them.]

  • Mike Lee

    Santorum’s attack displays clearly for all what Mitt’s problem will be against Obama if Mitt wins the nomination. There’s no way he will be able to attack Obamacare. He has no defense. Trying to explain subtle differences won’t matter. The nuance won’t register with voters. Romney is damn lucky there are THREE other candidates splitting the votes the way they are.

  • Anonymous

    Romney tried to explain to this dunce for the 100th time it is not socialized medicine. There already was a mandate for the taxpayers and hospitals to take care of you when you show up sick. Romney, taking his cue from conservative think tanks, and trying to halt the Democrats attempt at Single Payer, signed off on a bill that requires you to carry Private health insurance if you can afford it, which is perfectly reasonable. Romney was overrode time and again (an incredible 800 vetoes, 700 overrides) while trying to make the law as conservative as possible; for example, allowing a person to just carry a catastrophic policy with very low premium payments and high deductible.

    I find it very interesting that so-called conservatives (really liberals who want something for nothing) never complained about Mandates that force the doctors and hospitals to treat you. Never heard a peep from them on that. But as soon as they had to pay their way, oh wait a minute, it’s the end of the world. If you don’t want to carry insurance and you have the means to do so, you should sign a waiver that the hospital does not have to treat you. Let’s see how many phony conservatives sign off on that.

    • wodiej

      I totally agree w your last statement. When someone gets a job they should have to sign a waiver if they are offered health insurance and refuse to enroll they will not be treated at a hospital unless they can put up a bond like a lien on their home or business.

      Illegals are a big problem too but I think all of this is federal law and needs to be changed. People who can’t afford it of course should be given some options. Those options should include maintaining their health w a healthy weight, exercise, no smoking and preventive check ups and testing. If the taxpayers are footing the bill we have a right to ask that the cost be kept to a minimum.

  • Mike Lee

    Face it, folks. Unless Santorum drops out and endorses Gingrich, this is Romney’s. He is too well-organized, he’ll take FL momentum, kill in Feb., and it’s all over. I say Santorum bowing out to endorse Newt because a) Rick is out of money, and b) Newt’s ego would never have him play second fiddle to anyone. lol.

    Gingrich needs to make a deal with Santorum. Fast.

    • http://twitter.com/BatesLine Michael Bates

      Between 1/31 and 2/28, Nevada is the only state with an event that binds delegates, and that’s proportional. Plenty of time in Feb for Santorum to recharge, raise money, and campaign for some Super Tuesday wins. All of the March primaries are proportionally allocated, too. April 24 is the earliest date that anyone could sew up the nomination, and that’s unlikely.

      • Mike Lee

        I hope you’re right. As I just posted elsewhere, I’m starting to think Santorum is the best choice. Too many problems with both Romney and Gingrich. I’m not a social con, and I don’t like social con big govt (e.g. Huckabee), but at least I get a sense that Santorum actually believes what he says. There’s something very courageous about Santorum. Newt and Mitt are both so full of sh*t. I know Santorum is a politician, but I almost trust the guy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XAQ2BUK2FX6ISKFDP6TZQLIH4I Justin

    santorum totally won the entire debate. I like newt but santorum has been listening to bill whittle I can tell that from the point he made about natural law vs. political law in the constitution.

  • Trust1TG
    • Anonymous

      You are the tenth person to try to post this garbage link.

      • Anonymous

        LOL. Same with the Erickson link too.

    • Anonymous

      FALSE. As Y314K notes, watch the 1994 C-Span video as Santorum kills HillaryCare and mandates in the first 5 minutes. Furthermore, he stresses “You can’t force every American to do something they don’t want to do” without fundamentaly changing America.
      http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/61219-1
      Santorum is THE consistent conservative willing to hold fast when the loyal opposition calls.

    • Anonymous

      Think Progress is a John Podesta/Soros outfit.

  • Anonymous

    Newt, again, makes the bogus claim that healthcare reform was/is needed to stop people who can pay from getting free care the rest of us have to pay for. Only last night he doubled down on that false liberal narrative by referring to them as “wealthy”. I hate it when conservatives not only buy into the liberal narrative but promote it as their own. Bad move Newt. I’m still going to vote for him but I wish he’d stop saying things like that.

    As for the exchange between Santorum and Romney? Whoa. When I watched that last night Mitt Romney actually scared me. The man became unglued. It was fascinating and frightening to watch his demeanor as he desperately tried to avoid melting down at the facts Santorum had confronted him with. He looked terrified and confused. But he kept talking. It was almost bizarre.

    Mitt’s reaction made me think of this:

    Somebody needs to expand Romney’s programing.

  • Anonymous

    The repeated postings of false claims that Rick Santorum was for an individual mandate on this thread is most telling. This appears to be the very smear pushed by the then Rick Perry supporter (who launched his candidacy) Erick Erickson of RedState, who now supports Newt, from back on Jan. 7, 2012. Santorum’s opposition to HillaryCare is noted and his push for “Medisave” is what became today’s Health Savings Accounts (HSAs), and the vouchers are today’s subsidies in the Ryan Plan. No individual mandate. Haven’t we learned anything from 18 debates?
    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/01/erickson-was-wrong-on-santorum-and-a-health-care-mandate.html
    Furthermore, here is a link to 1994 C-Span video of Santorum reiterating those views on health care reform. “You can’t force every American to do something they don’t want to do,” without fundamentally changing America he stresses and debates further.
    http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/61219-1
    Gee, Newt, all men are fallen. You need not try to (falsely) take someone down a peg to bring yourself up. Confirmation I want no Gingrich Redemption Tour chasing Obama as your plea for constant pity is beneath the Office of the President. You supported the individual mandate for 20 years, and along with Mitt a carbon tax to control global warming, and the Wall Street bailouts.

    Santorum is right, Newt and Mitt wont exhaust all administrative remedies to repeal Obamacare. Why should they when the progressives keep promising lamestream media kid gloves in exchange? More fool us. The depth of the hatred toward Santorum is not over social positions Obama himself holds but knowing this monstrous centralization of power in Obamacare will not stand. The “inevitability” the opposition craves is not in Mitt as the nominee but enshrining health care as a “right.” Can the Romney enacted Mass. Cap & Trade be far behind? “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead.” No sooner spoken than forgotten by another moderate leader, Julia Gillard.

    Newt Gingrich, with that Wilsonian authority born of long banquets and long Beltway summits, claims conservatives can’t walk away from his debate style to win the day against Obama. No, Mr Speaker. There’s a better reason to walk away: To preserve our republic, to secure state’s competitive advantages and our individual sovereignty, to keep fast the freedoms that we inherited from our parents, and to pass them on intact to our children.

    The TEA Party is told we must submit to working within the Republican party to gain influence. By the same reasoning, if we can’t have influence, surely we must stop submitting to their rules. “Don’t look at the polls. . . Don’t pay attention to what the national media are saying, what the pundits are saying. Listen to your heart. Lead. Don’t follow.” –Rick Santorum

  • Maxsteele

    Yes, I agree that the debate was a huge waste of time. Wolf spent the whole night trying to get Newt and Romney to attack each other asking the most ridiculous questions. Mr. Speaker, how do you feel about Romney being rich? Mr. Governor, how do you feel about Newt being a career politician? There was very little substance to his questions. The questions from the audience and internet were more thoughtful and spoke to the issues in America. But what I did see was Newt trying hard to stay away from the attacks and Romney more then happy to make stupid, passive agressive, comments. Romney, like Obama, is very good at making an initial talking point that has no substance but then when pushed on a topic, like Santorum just did, he falls apart. He actually acts (body language and speech) he is insulted that anyone would push him on an issue and his voice sounds like a whinny, irritating, child.

  • Anonymous

    Romney will not try to repeal Obamacare. Romney will never attempt to gut the Dept of Education or the EPA.

    Mitt Romneybama is a go along guy. As long as he and his family are enriched and more firmly affirmed as member of the planet’s elite, he will allow the liberals to run wild increasing government.

    I’m not rich but I’ve been around it. It is like being on a different planet. These people are more comfortable and accustomed to being served that any normal person can imagine. I’m going to say it again, you can watch actors frolic like the rich on movies but that does not even come close to what is like to be in the same room at the same parties with these people.

    Put a professional man in the WH. Put in a man who understands history and has no forefathers to worship.Mitt is at best a stooge. This Romney must be driven out of national politics once and for all.

    • Anonymous

      I am with you on this. I have been in DC too too many times and it is without a doubt an elitist mentality. They truly despise us as mere serfs. They have known nothing but power and money their whole lives – including the media. It is completely impossible for me to understand why people continue to believe that their politicians represent them. Rush said it well recently, everything in Washington is about only two things: money and lust.

      They have built an oligarchy around the shell of the Constitution. The only solution now is to starve the beast.

      • Anonymous

        The rich need to stay on their “own side of the tracks.” I love the lifestyle. I am astounded at the magic they do with their money. I do not begrudge people who work hard enough or are smart enough to earn as much as they can and avoid taxes in every possible way. I’ll go to their parties, laugh at their jokes, compliment their homes and welcome them as customers.

        But I don’t want a man with nothing to lose, like the little prince Obama and his evil twin, Romney, running my country. There’s something not right about a man who wants it all, e.g. George Soros.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

          This is where the animosity of “the rich” comes in, even within the GOP.

          Few despise honestly earned wealth, but it is the dishonest acquisition of money that most have a problem with. And guess what? The well-connected have earned it just as dishonestly as the welfare recipient. In fact I have more compassion for the welfare recipient because there are many legitimate cases of need. The insiders who have no need but cheat the system invite scorn upon themselves.

          This is not a political problem that will be solved by an election. It is a deeply engrained cultural problem. When people cannot be self-governed they invite more external government upon themselves. It is why our Founders warned that our form of government would only work with a self-governed people.

  • Maxsteele

    The GOP race should, if it was based solely on being a conservative, between Santorum and Newt. Romney the closet democrat and Paul the isolationist should not even be in this race. Does anyone ever notice how Paul never actually says what he is going to do? He just criticizes American history or the other candidates platforms then goes on and says I will just get rid of this and that….Really, how? You cannot just walk in and say, okay, as of today the department of education is gone. What will fill that vacuum? Everyone knows that these programs need to be phased out, just like Freddy Mac. The tentacles are so far reaching you cannot just dump it as it would cause an even bigger mortgage problem, so it has to be phased out like Newt and Santorum say they would do it.
    Where as Paul and Romney just talk nonsense to score political points.

  • Anonymous

    I am no expert but I do not see how the 10th Amendment gives states power to override the US Constitution. Romney and some other “conservative” governors extend state sovereignty under the US Constitution, to claim that states can do pretty much anything they please.

    Out of he other side of their mouths those governors will say that Obamacare is unconstitutional because the Federal government does not have Constitutional power to force us to buy a product (individual mandate).

    So, Romney claims the Feds cannot force and individual mandate, but defend his right to do so as Governor of Massachusetts.

    So it seems clear to me anyway that….. if the US Constitution protects our rights to not be forced to buy health insurance, then the states cannot take away that right and protection. Using Romney’s logic on the individual mandate, why couldn’t the State of Massachusetts also take away citizens rights to bear arms there?

    • Anonymous

      MA is on its way. I understand Romney even raised taxes on each gun owned by a citizen. How can this turncoat even get a seat in a Denny’s?

      “The power to tax is the power to destroy.”–Daniel Webster

    • Anonymous

      It’s a very complicated issue and something I’ve learned a lot about by listening to and reading Mark Levin. But I don’t pretend to understand it, either.

      It basically has to do with the court(s) deciding to “incorporate” the Bill of Rights to the states. Each state is its own sovereign entity. Every state has its own Constitution. The way I understand it, some Amendments have been incorporated to the states, by way of the Supreme Court, and some still have not. The First, Fourth, and Fifth are three that I’m pretty sure apply to the states. The Second is still in that gray area. So far, no court has allowed a state or city to ban private gun ownership but there hasn’t been a definitive ruling yet that settles the question of whether they can or not. And from what I’ve read there probably won’t be in my lifetime.

      • Anonymous

        Interesting. I guess I need to do some reading. I wonder then if this notion of “incorporation” may extend to the Constitution itself or just the Bill of Rights?

        The federal unconstitutionality of the individual mandate looks like it will center on the Commerce Clause which is in the Constitution itself.

        I think it would all be far simpler if we just demand that these politicians – “Leave us the hell alone”.

    • Trust1TG

      “…why couldn’t the State of Massachusetts also take away citizens rights to bear arms there?”

      THE CITY OF NY ALREADY DOES. A number of citizens, including a woman and a Navy SEAL have been arrested for honest attempts to check or declare their guns…for which they had valid permits.

      The states, like Hawaii, are taking away our right to religious freedom by forcing ALL churches in Hawaii to permit same-sex marriages on their premises.

      So much for the Constitution and civil liberties under this regime. It is not an administration in any way, shape, form or fashion.

      Obama and all his agenda groups, including Islam are being backed and orchestrated by Soros to destroy our Constitution, laws and liberties as well as our prosperity, morality and security.

      Make no mistake about that. LINK: http://sorosfiles.com/soros/2011/10/obamas-master-george-soros-supporting-americas-enemies-at-home-and-abroad.html

      • Anonymous

        Hidden in plain sight.

      • Anonymous

        Pamela Geller has yet another media and government coverup of an islamist attack:

        Pentagon shooter records video while firing shots: Ex-marine Yonathan Melaku pleaded guilty Thursday to shooting at the Pentagon and the Marine Corps museum and other military buildings. Melaku recorded himself firing the shots.

        But the Washinton Post says, “motive unclear”

        Video shows the “activated jihadist recorded himself shooting at the Pentagon. Listen to the Islamic prayer in the background and the devout Muslim screaming allahu akbar while shooting (with Hamas-like face mask and keffiyeh).”

        http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/01/the-motive-of-the-pro-jihad-media-ia-very-clear-.html

  • Trust1TG

    American Spectator this morning, reminds us of this bit of Romneyesque deception in the debate last night:

    “Early in Thursday’s Republican presidential debate, CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer caught Mitt Romney flatfooted on one of his anti-Gingrich ads. The ad accuses Newt of calling Spanish a “language of the ghetto.” What, Blitzer asked Romney, did you mean by that? “I haven’t seen the ad, so I’m sorry, I don’t get to see all the TV ads,” replied Romney. “I doubt that’s my ad.”
    But it is his ad. “We did double check, just now, Governor, that ad that we talked about,” said Blitzer. “We double checked. It was one of your ads. It is running here in Florida on the radio, and at the end you say ‘I’m Mitt Romney and I approved this ad.'”

    Weasel. He did the same thing in the other debates.

    Last night (Thurs), he also denied he had questioned Newt’s Reagan credentials on Monday night.

    Romney has waged the nastiest, ugliest campaign, not through his ads or his lies on camera, but through a smear/lies campaign by the so-called conservative media: commentators, pundits and websites like Drudge and Beck.

    Mr. Romney looks picture-perfect, pretty, pristine, principled, prosperous, powerful on the outside, but inside, he’s anything but.

    • Anonymous

      “Mr. Romney looks picture-perfect, pretty, pristine, principled, prosperous, powerful on the outside, but inside, he’s anything but. ”

      The general case is that they go hand in hand.

    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

      I was so glad when Wolf called him out on this.

      So did Mitt really not know about the ad yet it had his approval on it? Or was he lying to Wolf? Either way, he is lying.

    • Anonymous

      Yes. Yes. Yes. And yes.

  • Anonymous
    • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

      Go back up the thread. This is a false claim. There are audio links of Santorum’s debate in 1994, in his own voice , that refute this.

  • Anonymous

    I understand Santorum’s point about the mandate but it I believe states have the constitutional right to enforce such a mandate at the state level. Romney needs only to point to the constitutionality of the issue to demonstrate why the mandate is unacceptable at the national level. However, this is perhaps a prosaic subtlety in today’s political climate.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IA36C2LNCWVWC7VOXRHMHWEZF4 Bradford Tiernan

      So, tyranny is OK on a state level because that’s constitutional?

      LOL, yeah, OK!

      • Elias Kurban

        No, but passing legislation for the health, safety, and welfare of the state population is (i.e. a state’s police power). What happened in MA wasn’t tyranny. The liberal MA state senate president proposed basically a socialized medicine plan. The liberal speaker of the MA house proposed a socialized medicine plan. A liberal coalition that proposed a massive expansion of Medicaid and SCHIP got 75,000 signatures from MA residents to ad their plan as a referendum to the MA 2006 ballot is healthcare legislation wasn’t passed by then. There was intense pressure in MA to pass healthcare legislation, and now way or another is was going to happen. Romney stepped in with market based plan. The legislature passed parts of all four plans, with parts of Romney’s market based plan. Romney vetoed 8 parts of the bill, but he 85% filibuster proof Democrat majority in the MA state legislature overrode all 8 vetoes. That’s what happened in MA.

  • Anonymous

    Rick went IN! I like how Romney said that “It’s not worth getting angry about” yet when Santorum kept drilling him on Romneycare and how it’s no different from Obamacare, you could see him get upset. I hope Rick has a strong showing in the FL polls and that he’s able to stay in the race.

  • Anonymous

    This was easily his finest hour. I love seeing Mittens get nicked and frustrated… and I’m glad Rick drew blood on this. I love the fire Rick showed last night. He’s not as good at these debates as Newt… but man, last night was a VAST improvement. Go Rick!

    • Elias Kurban

      Although that was an entertaining moment, Dick Sanatorium was wrong on most of what he said. Santorum is a dufus and he’s wrong on most of what he said because Romney isn’t solely responsible for MA healthcare reform. Romney’s plan is only one of four that were put forth to the MA legislature. The other three were socialized medicine plans put forth by ultra liberal politicians and a liberal coalition that got 75,000 signatures from MA residents to put a referendum for massive Medicaid and SCHIP expansion on the 2006 ballot if healthcare reform legislation wasn’t passed by then. Romney is the reason MA ended up with a market-based system and not socialized medicine. Romney vetoed 8 parts of the bill, but the 85% filibuster proof Democrat majority in the MA state legislature overrode all 8 vetoes. Romney’s Democrat successor to the governorship also made changes that jacked up costs. Those are the facts. Romney isn’t wasting him time correcting dufus Dick Sanatorium because Romney is saving the heavy artillery for the general election.

  • Anonymous

    I like what Santorum said here, especially that this is far too important to give up on. This was my favorite part of the debate too.

    But on a comparatively irrelevant note (or maybe not in the broader scheme), what weirdly stands out to me is that smarmy smile on Mitt’s face. He does that every time someone says something critical of him. It just screams “disingenuous.” It speaks louder than any words he says, no matter what they are. Genuine people don’t do that.

    By contrast, Santorum also has episodes of keeping a smile on, but he has other facial expressions too, that are appropriate to the comment. Paul and Gingrich looked thoughtful throughout. You can tell all the not Romneys are listening, not posing. Romney is posing.

    • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

      Yeah, Little Lord Fauntleroy bothers me with that stupid smile of his, too. No wonder he and his family were unsuitable for military service; no drill sergeant I know of would tolerate that for 5 seconds, much less 5 debates.

      NSFW:

      I can definitely see smarmy Romney, or his other draft dodging kids getting caught up in this position, real quick. Probably would’ve made a more honest political candidate out of him.

  • Anonymous

    Santorum’s point was further made when Axelrod tweeted that Romney made the Dem/Liberal case for the individual mandate.

    • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

      Axelrod? Consider the source.

      • Anonymous

        Exacly. But what I mean is Axelrod is a mirror..he reflects what the Liberal argument is. Santorum was saying that the Left will use RomneyCare to hoist Romney on his own petard and damage the GOP’s argument against O if Romney becomes the contender.

  • Anonymous

    I am sorry to say that as of now Santorum is not a factor. So there is no reason for Romney to counter his silly arguments on RomneyCare. The huge majority of people who support Romney were going yea, yea, yea while Santorum was carrying on. We know it doesn’t matter. We know Romney is committed to repealing ObamaCare. Romney did the right thing by sticking to the standard lines on the Mass law. It allowed Santorum to look stronger so he can rise in the polls at Newt’s expense. If Santorum gains momentum, or becomes a threat, Romney will easily counter the sophmoric argument that RomneyCare equals ObamaCare. Until then, it only helps Romney if Santorum gets stronger.

  • Anonymous

    If everyone who said, ‘Santorum won’t win’ or ‘Why should I throw my vote away when I know he won’t win?’ VOTED FOR him, Rick Santorum WOULD WIN! We need Rick Santorum in the White House! We want someone who can work with others. What we are seeing now with Romney and Gingrich is a preview of what is to come in the future. We can’t afford FOUR MORE YEARS of BARRY SOETERO who is spending US BLIND! We need Rick Santorum to lead US down the RIGHT Path! The answers Rick has given throughout the debates are the most logical. We Want Rick Santorum! Don’t you?

  • Elias Kurban

    Actually, history shows that the moniker “Romneycare” is a misnomer. Despite the spin in the media, it’s pretty well documented that Mitt stepped in to stop the ultra liberal MA house speaker and senate president and a liberal coalition that wanted massive expansion of MassHealth (Medicaid and SCHIP) from passing socialized medicine plans. The coalition got 75,000 signatures from MA residents to put its socialized medicine proposal on the ballot as a referendum if healthcare reform legislation wasn’t passed by then. As such, MA lawmakers were under intense pressure to pass healthcare legislation. The three plans put forth by house speaker DiMasi, senate president Travaglini, and the ultra liberal coalition were essentially socialized medicine plans that would have destroy MA’s free market healthcare system and MA’s budget. That’s when Mitt quickly stepped in. Amid the intense pressure and the inevitability that healthcare legislation would be passed, Romney proposed a free market plan and worked with the 85% Democrat legislature to pass as much of it as possible. The legislature passed an amalgamation of all four bills that kept components of Romney’s market based plan. Romney vetoed eight provisions that he didn’t want, and the overwhelmingly Democrat legislature overrode all eight of Romney’s vetoes. After Romney left office, his Democrat successor Deval Patrick made additional changes that jacked up the cost. So, that’s the well documented story of MA healthcare reform. Romney was only a small part of it, and he was the reason it became a market based plan rather than socialized medicine. So, “Romneycare” is a misnomer.

  • Anonymous

    Mytt Flunks Pro-Family ‘Report Card’

    Save California.com published a ‘Report Card’ on Candidates and Issues for 2012 and Beyond…

    And Mytt the Mass Fraud Flunked – Badly

    SEE http://savecalifornia.com/images/stories/PDFs/presidential_report_card_on_the_natural_family_011412.pdf

    The nation has more imporant business at hand than Mytts brand of ‘Vulture Kapitalism’

    SANTORUM has shown he is the Only one who Talks the Talk (without embarrassing stumbling) AND Walks the Walk.

    What Mytt the Mass Pymp did to the Citizens of that state would Gaga Maggot

    Then provide it a tax subsidy and make it a ‘hate crime’ to fail to pander to

    SEE http://www.MassResistance.org/romney

    OR Amy Contrada’s Book:
    “Mitt Romney’s Deception – His Stealth Promotion of “Gay Rights” and “Gay Marriage” in Massachusetts”