Saturday Open Thread – 11 months and 3000 pictures Jun. 30, 2012 1:52 pm by The Right Scoop • 274 Comments FacebookTwitterEmail report this ad This had to take a freakish amount of work and is quite impressive for this non-mechanic: FacebookTwitterEmail report this ad Comment Policy: Please read our new comment policy before making a comment. In short, please be respectful of others and do not engage in personal attacks. Otherwise we will revoke your comment privileges. RELOAD DISQUS AmericanborninCanada LOL- yeah a freakish amount of time! I loved the ending. I was thinking, yeah, I could do this too, but there’d be quite a few parts left over! Thanks for the smile Scoop 😀 toongoon No big deal, just throw the extra parts in a box and nobody will be the wiser. AmericanborninCanada lol freenca Just like what we need to do for our country, disassemble the parts, clean up the corroded parts, reassemble the parts, repaint and shine them all, restart the engine and zoom away! And, yeah there might be a few that no longer are needed, just the old Constitutional ones. Free and independent, in the home of Justice and Liberty for all. Conservative_Hippie Well said! freenca Thank you! You were the first one to tell me I had words to say here, so I stayed. Rshill7 That had to have been a freenca-accident then sister. Cuz you’re in the top exhelons of the regulars here I think. freenca Thank you, that means a lot to me to have you say so. toongoon We’re glad you did. 🙂 freenca Me too Toongoon, I feel as if I have found a better family here.:-) AmericanborninCanada I’m glad you stayed to sister!!! 😀 Conservative_Hippie 🙂 RighteousCrow_JustCaws Good point: throw away the old corroded parts, like Pelosi and Reid, into a psycho ward – they won’t know the difference. freenca You get it my Crow, Happy Independence Day! And every other Day, too! RighteousCrow_JustCaws And likewise to you and all Scoopers! Independence Day – one of the truly valid, not-so-Hallmark holidays! A grand tradition. las1 Maybe I won’t, but my mechanic sure will. Rshill7 Please check out one more article which I have pasted in full, near the end of this thread. It is not too horribly long, but also takes the position that what Justice Roberts did was genius…outsmarting the libs/progs, and putting that entire side in a very precarious position, which they are too dumb to realize. Also, I have completely let go of those things you said that bothered me. Your friend, Rs. Brian Jones There is ALWAYS extra parts when I’m done! LOL! That’s why I take a picture before I do anything, and take SEVERAL pictures for completeness. toongoon Yeah, me too. Leftover parts are usually some holding bolts or brackets that weren’t obviously necessary in the final assembly, but not important parts. librtifirst If you still have one of the new crank bearings on the bench, you might have a real problem. toongoon Nope, all bearings in, pistons, oil pump. Just one of them goofy little round things about an inch and half long and 3/4″ diameter, but heck, I put a bunch of them in anyway. librtifirst I don’t think that you need all of your lifters. toongoon My eighteen year old son has been doing all of the work on the engine himself. I have him tell me what needs to be done next and correct him if he misses something. He bought the Bronco when he was fifteen and only pulled the engine for the experience, so experience he is getting. Salvatore Anello I appreaciate the distraction, but now that words mean absolutely nothing, rendering our Constitution an old piece of toilet paper, it’s hard to be happy. Not to repost, but http://www.therightscoop.com/new-rnc-ad-repealing-obamacare-is-now-in-your-hands/#comment-570592492 really says it all for me. AmericanborninCanada I admit, the government to me makes me want to ask, “who’s on first?” I understand your sentiments Salvatore, but I have to thank Scoop for putting stuff like this on so we can catch a breath every now and then. Rshill7 Yeah…what she said! GiantM YOU!? Could do this!…lol. Well you certainly have me beat. I can swing a hammer every day of the week, but getting under the hood of car….well it’s just to scary! 🙂 AmericanborninCanada I could do this yeah, but I never claimed it’d work after 😉 librtifirst I think that most home mechanics got started when they were sixteen years old, and were motivated by the fact that they were not going to cruise unless they fixed it themselves. 911Infidel Awesome. Great mechanics are one of the backbones of this country. And who hasn’t rebuilt or partially rebuillt their car or truck component parts in their lifetime. Now tell me that you didn’t enjoy doing that on a weekend? A little beer and music blaring from the radio…a few friends…lots of cigarette smoke and nothing but a$$holes and elbows flying around with lots of tool boxes…wreches scattered everywhere, grease all over your clothes…Yeah like you didn’t grunt like Tim Taylor on Tooltime… AmericanborninCanada I’m SO NOT mechanically inclined, but I always loved watching my older brother working on his cars. That was how I learned to love good ol’ 70’s rock 😉 911Infidel My first experience with mechanics was in the military. I spent most of my three years in a Self-Propelled Arty unit, pulling transmissions, engines, power packs, lock outs, busting track, replacing track pads, etc., etc. When I got home I couldn’t wait to start learning how to do my own tune-ups and repairs, same as the rest of my home boyz. I still suck at mechanics. The only repairs I do anymore are computers and printers. And that’s only a hobby I do for S&Gs. AmericanborninCanada My grampa was a mechanic in the RCAF. He was stationed in England during WW2. I remember when I was little, he had a lot of car parts around. Lord I miss that man. I used to love hanging around my brother and his friends as they’d work on a junker. Now, I help (hand tools to) my husband whenever he works on our car or truck. A lot of good memories around car parts. 🙂 911Infidel I miss those old cars & my old F-250. It was a piece of junk, but I kept it on the road for 15 years and fixed pretty much everything myself and me and tools do not get along. Rshill7 It’s fun and rewarding, but my hands bleed, every single time, without exception. However, my best fishin’ buddy does a lot of it for me, and I throw money at him, which he kindly accepts. He bought a new house two days ago. My cutie beauty and I are fixin’ to head on over there, as soon as we eat more stuff from the backyard GRILL! (which he also fixed last weekend for me.) Aaahahahaha! Yay! 911Infidel My mechanic is a good old boy who’s been twisting wrenches since he was 10. He’s well over 60 now. He’s got the biggest collection of old Chilton manuals I ever did see and operates a small car repair business out of a garage and body shop that he built on his property. And oh yes he does NASCAR and has his own racer. He’s not as much fun as your guy. He works, I watch or go home and come back later. NYGino My hands are a road map and a history of every time I ever picked up a tool and tried to use it, it always leaves a scar or a vivid mental image which usually is somewhat South of pleasant. PJRodman My son is rebuilding a ’79 4×4 we call Buttercup because the original color is a rather un-studly creamy yellow…but with the lift kit and the big tires she’s a beaut. The 390 has low miles and there’s hardly any body rust. We love the F series trucks. My hubby has gone to Houston and Oklahoma buying duallys with the 7.3 powerstroke..which they quit making in ’02…he’ll keep working on those until they gasp their last because the new 6.9 is crappy. (you wanna ensure a cavity search buy 2 one way tickets to Houston from Louisville and explain you’re going to buy a farm truck….ooooh la la that was fun) 911Infidel I still miss that old truck. Did you know that I could paralel park that thing in the tightest places and still manage to get out w/o hitting anyone’s bumper in the process? That sucker was fun to drive. LOL. Cavity search huh? Must have come from one of Janet Reno’s ugly little sister’s “situational awareness” memos. Gee I wonder if the TSA has a big pic in their office of Genitalia Nipplitano with her in a swaztika and jack boots? And does the TSA also salute her each morning with a hearty “Heil” Hose Bag? NYGino You do know your truck engines PJ. librtifirst The old ones were practically fun. These new ones make me want to throw a fit once in a while. 911Infidel Too much design tinkering. They should have left well enough alone. Well that and allowing foreigners to manufacture parts. librtifirst They have improved some things, but when your cooling fan is controlled by a computer that uses the oxygen sensor to judge engine temp that controls your fan, it is getting a bit insane. I had an Olds that had ninety wires going in and out of the computer, and even the door locks went through it. When you have and engine control module that interfaces with the vehicle computer and ten different sensors that a slight variance from specification can cause intermittent symptomatic problems, well……………you know. The mechanic part is the easy stuff, while the rest requires a technician that has to rival the knowledge level of a neurosurgeon. 911Infidel I’m still at a loss to understand the whole point behind integrating computers with cars. Cars are simple machines. They don’t need all the complexity of computers to make them run. We’ll see how stupid that idea was when someone like Iran launches an EMP strike on America, and the only cars still running will be the old ones. librtifirst Its funny you said that. I was actually thinking about it yesterday, and am considering going back to the sixties or seventies in a four cylinder car. The interesting thing is that technology and efficiency did not lead the way, but rather government forced most of these things on us through regulation. Technology can make them much more efficient, but government limits the efficiency. Take the Smart Car for instance. In Germany it gets over seventy miles per gallon, but in the US it gets in the forties. If free markets controlled the technology and production, we would all be getting 100 miles per gallon. It is an economic control that they put in place as they shut the country down. I do have an 85 f250 that is naturally aspirated and only has one electronic module. I have a spare. It is only an ignition module, and can be replaced with good old points. I have heard that an EMP will only kill electronics that are powered, unless it is very powerful. 911Infidel Right you are. The government doesn’t foster innovation it stifles it. Stupid ideas like devoting corn towards energy production was moronic. All they’ve done is drive up the prices of feed and as a consequence … the price of food. The biggest losers have been the third world. Case in point, the Arab Spring nonsense started as a food riot in Tunisia. Stupid government actions, can and do often have dire consequences for everyone else. Don’t get me started on those mercury light bulbs, or those useless new flush toilets. librtifirst We could go on all day on the details of government stupidity, but I have converted my thinking to include the concept that it is not stupidity, but rather part of the big picture. Government forcing the use of ethanol by law, and then giving their corporate buddies a clear path to an ethanol monopoly, which leads to a higher cost structure in food and energy, which creates shortages of food that creates unrest in third world countries, goes perfectly with shutting down America and taking over control of the third world and all their resources as we wage new wars due to supposed humanitarian crisis’ and terrorist threats. It fits quite well in the scheme of things. I don’t believe that government believes it is a good thing, or viable. Simple math tells us that it is too obvious for them to believe the lie themselves. Many governors are in with the plan as well, hence the creation of the council of governors. 911Infidel Nah. If a lie is told long enough eventually people buy into it. If a country has an education system that teaches one view that is always political, bought and paid for with union dues…If a scientific community stops using science and goes political for more grant money, the result is an epic failure at all levels of society. What you end up with is lab-coated graduates that are so smart they’re stupid. Coupled with an equally ill-educated media, you have an ignorant society who will in turn elect equally ignorant leaders over them.This society on the whole is dumber than dirt. Their leaders are not any better. All have been absorbed into the indoctrination U borg. Government is stupid just like the constituents that they represent. librtifirst I don’t disagree with your point in general. There are a lot of stupid educated people. I have an occasion to work with engineers in my trade. You know, they know it all and tell us how it is done. In the end, they don’t understand practical application, and can rarely consider more than one or two factors at any given time. The common sense is rarely there. I have had an occasion, as well, to work with “smart” engineers. It is a nice change when it happens. They have usually worked within the trades successfully. I would put bureaucrats in the same category, but I believe that the higher power structure in government is very crafty and smart. In fact they actually hire professionals to determine how people will react, and how to manipulate the people. I suppose that guys like John McCain have been doing it so long, that they don’t need much help anymore. 911Infidel I too worked with engineers at a previous job. They were pretty good at their profession, but when it came to everything else they were excellent products of Indoctrination U…and not much else. As to Mclame, he never was a people person. He liked to think that he walked on water and his sh_t didn’t stink. Those he couldn’t manipuate for his own ends he tried running over.His shipmates hated his guts..or so says guys I know who served on ships that he served on. Ego is the by-word with guys like McLame. He’s not stupid, he’s just another a-hole. However with this government, stupid is the only qualification necessary to hold a post. AmericanborninCanada That’s what my husband says. 🙂 911Infidel Great minds think alike. Tee-hee. poljunkie You had me at 70’s rock. AmericanborninCanada lol! Of course! 😉 poljunkie I know, right? AmericanborninCanada LOL you crack me up pol. We’d have so much fun if you lived near me. But then again, our husbands would probably hate it 😉 poljunkie My husband would love for me to have you to hang out with. Amy My garage resembles that frequently – with a few colorful words thrown in because something didn’t go as planned. 🙂 And he does grunt like Tim the tool man… 911Infidel LOL. librtifirst Good man, then. Try to have some sympathy, as I will empathize. Amy He is a good man 🙂 Saved us hundred’s of dollars by crawling under all our vehicles and getting greasy. LOL He’ll be replacing my brake rotors & a/c over the next couple weekends, so we’ll be hearing those colorful words aplenty! CentralFlaGirl 911infidel said, “Great mechanics are one of the backbones of this country. And who hasn’t rebuilt or partially rebuillt their car or truck component parts in their lifetime? ” (With hand raised in air..waving..) me for one!! O, I have tried, and did change out the spark plugs in my old VW Bug…then it caught fire on I-95…do you think the spark plugs did it?a 911Infidel Couldn’t say. The only thing that I ever did with a VW, was get out and push ’em. Rshill7 My Dear ole’ Dad, when he was stationed in Ramstein, Germany, was rushing to the airport in a VW Super Beetle he had, on the autobahn. He was going in excess of 90mph and wishing it would go faster. The engine exploded 🙂 My older brother was there with him. He had a ’69 BMW. When I started selling insurance, door to door, in Texas in 1982, and doing extremely well at it, bought a brand new BMW 320i. Sold it to a friend and got another one in ’83, which was even nicer. Drove it off the showroom floor. Black on black, still remember the sticker price: $15,700.00. Suhweeet. Here’s the thing…didn’t wreck either of them. Unlike the ones spoken of below 🙂 Haven’t wrecked a car in 11 years. It’s a new record for me. 911Infidel “The engine exploded”. Now that’s funny. I had to push and help work on several VWs and VW busses that friends drove. They were good but cheap when they ran. Just don’t wreck ’em or else you’d end up like Harry Chapin. Kast time I wrecked a car was when I was so stoned drunk (around 22 yrs old), I fell asleep at the wheel, missed a 90 degree turn and slammed a mint conditioned ’68 Ford LTD into a tree. Funny thing is I woke up cause someone was banging on my car door. It was a cop. I stepped out and was woozy, and the cop and ambulence people tried putting me in an ambulence. All I had was a slight concussion and a bloody nose. I got a ticket for negligent driving and a visit from the cop the next morning. He was a squared away cop. One of the few that I’ve met over a lifetime that had common sense and actually gave an eff about people. Anyways, I still admire those old cars. I still see a few beauties that people have restored trolling down the road where I live once in a while. I always tip my hat to ’em. Rshill7 Heck yes! I love old cars and have a problem selling anything. We have 6 vehicles and none of them are newer than 2004. Four of them are trucks or truck-like. The insurance is ridiculous. I have the last year of the Bronco II which is near perfect. It is beee-you-tee-full. My Mom bought it for me and it looks better now than when it was purchased. When in HS and college I made money buying and selling cars. Usually could turn them in less than two weeks for $500.00 plus profit. Have had lots of different sportscars, including Porsches and a Corvette. NYGino I’m breathing hard Rs. And my pupils are dilating. Rshill7 Dat’s a good one G. Aaahahahaha. AmericanborninCanada lol! Hi NY!! 😀 NYGino Hi ABC, hope you’re doing better than yesterday and not as good as tomorrow. (Better late than never) AmericanborninCanada LOL. No problem NY. I’m doing fine 😀 I’ve been keeping odd hours on here now that my husband AND the boy are competing for computer time with me lol. Hope you have a Blessed day my dear friend! 911Infidel If the gaia-worshipping spider mites at the EPA get their way, gasoline will be 2% Ethanol. If that ever happens we can say good-bye to all those old cars. librtifirst Did you make sure to pay your taxes on that profit? 🙂 Me neither. AmericanborninCanada Gee wiz! I wish I had your mom or pol junkie as a mom! I got my old honda off her, but I had to pay her a thousand bucks for it, then I had to spend another 5 hundred to get it to pass inspection before I could drive the thing! I had it for 3 years, then sold it for 5 bucks because I couldn’t bring it into the US! hahahahaaa!!! oy. poljunkie Now thats just pitiful. Selling it for 5.00. 🙂 I love the oy on the end. Actually made me laugh ( out loud) AmericanborninCanada LOL! 😀 AmericanborninCanada lol. Mybear, you sound like me only with speeding tickets 😉 Havene’t had one in 20 years, but my I did get a few back then. NYGino It was Bush’s fault. librtifirst My first car was a 62 Bug. Before it was all over, I could pull the motor and rebuild it in a day. They have their issues, and like owners who know them well, and spend lots of time with them. Cindy09 I have a hubby who just loves fixing up his old cars. We own a 1972 Camaro that he keeps as a piece of collection. He’d sell any other vehicle to buy new parts for the Camaro. He’s been faithful to that car even since he’s owned his first dollar! She is a beauty – but heck all that love…. sometimes I wonder. 🙂 toongoon It’s hard to compete with a 72 Camaro Cindy. Cindy09 I know. He! He! Boys and their toys!! DebbyX Yes, I know. My dad bought one, I learned to drive on it. It was beautiful. Deep purple with a white stripe around the front of the hood. All my boyfriends loved it too. Gee, do ya’ think………….? Nah. toongoon I’m sure you were the purtiest girl in town. DebbyX awww……………..that was sweet 🙂 Cindy09 I think the same too! Camaros and Marilyn Monroe. 🙂 Our Camaro is blue and have a couple white stripes that run in the middle. I hope to go out on a ride on one of the next car shows. Rshill7 Mine was blue with white interior 🙁 After that one, I got a 66 Mustang…which also got wrecked. I still sold it for more than I paid for it. OK, now I’m apoplectic. Darn you Scoopers! Darn you to heck. librtifirst I rebuilt a 66 mustang. Took out the six cylinder and put in a 289. Got rid of the C6 tranny and put in a five speed stick. Changed the front and rear ends to five lug V8 and installed disc brakes. Put in power steering and the original air conditioning equipment. I converted the ignition to electronic, and put in a new dual exhaust system with turbo mufflers that purred like a kitten. Then my wife left and took it. Oh well. Rshill7 Mine had the 289 already. I’d get a cavity if I could have it back, tis so sweet. The AC in mine was fabulous. That thing had power to spare. A V-8 in a car like that? Slapstick? Fuhgetaboutit. AmericanborninCanada OK quit it! I’ll see your cavity and raise you a full house of root canals if I could have a car like that. AmericanborninCanada I’m sorry librtifirst…. I would have stuck with you, but you’d never drive it 😉 librtifirst It was her car. I built it for her. It is better that I don’t have it, but thanks. poljunkie Oh bummer. Rshill7 Hey sister! Get right! I had a 69 Camaro that got cremated…in a freakin’ parking lot! (By a women driver I might add) Ok, now I need to cry a little bit…again. Women are better than Camaros anyhow. 🙂 Cindy09 Could you talk to my hubby and tell him that “Women are better than Mustangs”? LOL!!! 🙂 poljunkie Im not sure my son would agree. AmericanborninCanada I’m not sure I agree! Lol!! Rshill7 Sure, put him on…silly. toongoon Cool video, I’ve got a Ford V8 almost ready to go back in the Bronco now. I wish we could have seen the car he put it in. KenInMontana From what I could see of it, I would hazard a guess of a Triumph, possibly a TR-5 or 6. Just a guess though. NYGino Sharp eyes Ken. It is a British. Right side steering wheel, Spaghetti wiring by Lucas (Prince of Darkness) wood dash. Year range is 60’s, early 70’s, bias ply tires, manual choke. And it is a Triumph, but not a TR5 or TR6, both of which were 6 cylinder cars. It is a Triumph Spitfire. 4 cylinders with dual SU carbs and the hood (bonnet) which opens forward by use of the vertical chrome latch on the side of the car. toongoon This one huh? http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Triumph+Spitfire&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1163&bih=644&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=DXohaQvqEk00tM:&imgrefurl=http://world-viewer.com/triumph-spitfire-mk-3.html&docid=hv7uXsxr1-tyIM&imgurl=http://world-viewer.com/data_images/triumph-spitfire-mk-3/triumph-spitfire-mk-3-02.jpg&w=496&h=301&ei=5F_vT_KRG4XSqQHcsJDEDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=718&vpy=190&dur=2044&hovh=175&hovw=288&tx=115&ty=113&sig=105336712190341831254&page=1&tbnh=127&tbnw=187&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:150 AmericanborninCanada Now THAT’S what I’m talkin about. Oops, sorry actually it was you guys talkin’ about it and I’m inturrupting again. I used to love Triumphs almost as much as Mustangs. Rshill7 OMG. No wonder we’re buds. Rshill7 Yep…mine was a ’72. AmericanborninCanada Nice! Tell me that wasn’t the one you “bumped” ?! Rshill7 Mine was not yet restored, his was perfect…same year. My goal was to get mine as nice as his. I crashed mine into his trying to start it while in gear without the clutch depressed. What a dingbat. Ok, gonna call him now 🙂 Cindy09 LOL!!! AmericanborninCanada OY VEY!!!!! Rshill7 Haven’t felt that dumb, or wanted to disappear as much, in a long time. Fairly minor damage. AmericanborninCanada Crap I’m late reading some of these, but mybear, you’re cracking me up! ROFL!!! Tell your dad I said howdy. 😀 KenInMontana Yep, didn’t think about the cylinder count, probably due to my unholy lust for a TR-6, a “proper bloke’s sports car”. Cindy09 You’ve got good taste!!! Excellent choice! AmericanborninCanada Oh yeah! Ditto on what Cindy said! 🙂 NYGino Sweet! Rshill7 Way to go NYGino. I haven’t heard that “prince of darkeness” thing in a while, but you are certainly right. That’s what they used to call it 🙂 NYGino I’m sure you know why the British drink warm beer, their refrigerators are made by Lucas. Rshill7 Doooooood. Aaaahahhahaha! Rshill7 In college I had a Triumph Spitfire. The teacher parking lot was waaay close to the buildings, and was pass protected with a gate. Guess what? With that little whippersnapper, Daddy could drive under the gate. Rule-breaker! Yay! heshtesh Right now i have 2 snowmobiles half tore down making sure they are perfect come winter, during the winter i dismantle the 4 wheelers to make sure thier perfect for the summer.:) Cindy09 I don’t mean to change the subject but it amazes me that in the old days you learn shop at school. My hubby would take down the engine of a vehicle to the last bolt and nuts, I would be “Waow! Do you know where everything goes? How do you put that mound of parts back up together again?” Well, each time, he would unmistakably put it together again. And all this due to hours doing shop in school. Nowadays, you hardly can have a youngster doing that without first going to some vocational school. Then it was a must-do for the guys. I used to think that “America is truly the greatest country of earth” and I still love the can-do attitude!! AmericanborninCanada The thing I remember about shop in 9th grade is that I’d have rather done that than home ec! That was the year some boys took apart a VW Bug and rebuilt it on the roof of the school!!! LOL! 😀 Cindy09 I would have loved to do that!! I went to Catholic school and the nuns taught us girls to sew our own uniforms – in white and blue. That was blah!! I would have preferred doing something more fun!! AmericanborninCanada I didn’t mind the cooking part, because I love to cook, but trust me, sewing uniforms is the same blah as sewing any other skirt or shirt which is what we had to do 😉 Cindy09 I loved and still love cooking. But man, the sewing part was a bit difficult. Now and then, a girl got called into the Principal’s office and shown the little mascot wearing the school’s uniform, more than often the student would have shortened the length of the dress to barely above the knees and that would get all of the nuns “educating” us on modesty. Yet, if someone were found with a Mills and Boon or Barbara Cartland book, it ended up getting confiscated and read by the Nuns while they were monitoring us during our exams. I thought it was incredibly funny and crazy!! AmericanborninCanada lol! I’m SO glad I never went to Catholic School- public school was bad enough 😉 wodiej I would have liked it better than Home Ec too. poljunkie We made stuffed animal/dolls. ha ha I still have mine and wow its definitely not a show piece. AmericanborninCanada Dang girl, you guys had fun?!! Not fair!! Amy Home ec was NOT my thing. I was so, so bad at sewing. I’ve decided though, that I’m taking quilting classes. It’s always annoyed me that my sisters could sew and I couldn’t. 🙂 Cindy09 I was around 12 when I met the wife of a Baptist Pastor down the road. She ran a small patchwork – quilting business. I volunteered to do some patchwork. At the beginning, my fingers were bloody and bruised from assembling the patchwork. The material was so thick. But I stubbornly stuck to it! Childhood days! Yeah!! Amy My grandma taught me to do embroidery, cross stitch and some crochet. The embroidery is what had my fingers bleeding but I still remember all the stitches. I just couldn’t get the hang of sewing any of my embroidered pieces together! I’m determined to learn though ~ poljunkie Speaking of quilts…when our son moved out ( well who am I kidding? His room is still a shrine!, and he does manage to stay over 3 or 4 nights a year!!! ) Anyway, we took all of his tee shirts, from past swim meets, rock concerts, and other events, and picked our favorite 35. AND turned them into a quilt. He loves it, and has it hanging over his sofa in his family room. I wish I had one. AmericanborninCanada What a COOL IDEA!! Pol, you rock! 😀 poljunkie Thanks ABs. We are always trying. Amy That’s a cool idea! 🙂 My youngest gets a new t-shirt for each black belt he’s earned in TaeKwonDo. They wear it during all test times on the mats and on the very last day of testing all the candidates & instructors sign each other shirts. I’ve hand sewn the openings closed and stuffed them so they are pillows that he throws on his bed or futon. Kind of cool to see how much he’s grown throughout the last decade. poljunkie Thats a great idea Amy. I love it. I bet you have pillows all over the place! Our son used to “swim a mile” fund raiser every year. AND you “earn” a tee shirt. We started writing the time in sharpie on the tee shirt. AND after the season when he grew tired of wearing it, we would hang it on the wall. For at least ten years. The time went from 45 min, to 38 min, to 33 min, to 27 min, to 25 min, and when he was in high school 17 min. We used some of those for the quilt. Amy I think it depends on where you are. Up here in N Wisconsin, the kids are still heading into vocational classes in high school. They have auto mechanics, electrical courses, metal working, etc. They work with the local technical college and have a good program. The surrounding area is heavy in manufacturing so they work hard at getting the kids interested in the trades. My son is taking a full year of auto mechanics next year – so he’s pretty excited. He and his pops are looking for an old car to work on. I have a feeling I won’t be parking in my garage for a few years. LOL AmericanborninCanada I hope that when my boy gets interested enough to actually be a help to dad when he’s working on our vehicles, we can find an old VW Bug for them to work on for his homeschool shop course. The boy loves Herbie and it’d be such a cool thing for him and dad to work on!! Amy Old slug bugs are cool. Did you guys play slug bug up north? Every time you saw a VW bug you slugged the person you were with. My arm and leg were usually bruised all summer long. LOL Sisters are brutal! My boys are looking for an old truck or a mid eighties mustang. I’ve been to way too many swap meets/old car shows. It’s okay though – one day I’ll have all the time to myself and be extremely bored. 🙂 AmericanborninCanada Punch buggy!!! My son does that to me now dang it and I have bruises to prove it lol. Sons are brutal too 😉 Old car shows are fun. We’ve gone to a few. It’s amazing to see the work some folks have put into their cars…. and money. wow. Tell them to get an old truck instead. mid 80s mustangs stink lol. I love the mid 60’s models, but they’re getting harder and more expensive to find. A truck would most likely last longer too. Amy Ouch! Boys are rough – I used to spar with my youngest and he has always had a powerful punch & kick. Now that he’s so much bigger than me, he just humors me on the mats. LOL They are leaning toward the truck – this week anyway. LOL I’m not too crazy about the mid eighties body style of the mustang either. For some reason, they think it’s kind of cool looking. They would prefer a late sixties – but finding one that is reasonably priced is just not going to happen. Most that we’ve seen are either completely finished & pricey or rusted out and in need of way more work than they can afford. AmericanborninCanada LOL mine is only 11 and he’s a hair taller than me. Yikes! Hope your boys find a cool ride 😉 PJRodman My hubby was driving a ’69 Camaro SS 396 when we first met….and get this…this dates me….we were cruising Frisch’s and the A&W and the strip between the two in Jeffersonville and New Albany IN. I had a booger green ’74 Maverick with 2 squirrels and a rubber band under the hood…I asked him if he wanted to race. Must have been love at first sight…the next weekend I was planted right on that console…helping to shift don’t ya know…ahem…that’s all I’m going to tell. Unfortunately a couple years later someone rear ended it and pushed us into the car in front too….we were stopped in traffic waiting to get into Freedom Hall to see Ted Nugent…missed the concert. He wishes he’d kept it…worth a lot now for sure. He kept me, but I’m not sure old gals retain their value…tee hee. AmericanborninCanada LOL you’ve got a way of describing things PJ! LOL. Too bad about the car though. Too bad you missed Uncle Ted too 🙁 I think you’ve probably gotten better with age 😉 I’m sure your hubby would agree! Cars are great, and our boys love ’em, but at the end of the day, they’re cold hunks of metal that can’t cook and… well you know lol! PJRodman LOL…I know….and if memory serves he had trouble being a focused driver with me on the console AmericanborninCanada 😉 That’a girl! Cindy09 Did you just ….???!!! Darn, those catholic school days!! LOL!!! 🙂 PJRodman The “SHIFTER” girls…think gear shift…When I speak of going past third its just the gear…I’d always feign difficultly with 4th so he’d have to help though…we were always way out of Sister Mary Frank’s binocular range of the parking lot by then…LOL Cindy09 I remember those days. When you’re wearing the school’s uniforms, you shouldn’t be talking to boys. If caught, the Principal would stop by and give you a ride home! Oh, Shame!! NYGino I posted this before on this thread but It applies here also, ‘I’m breathing hard and my pupils are dilating’ AmericanborninCanada LOL!!! NY!!! NYGino PJ, that booger green ’74 Maverick, by any chance did it have a houndstooth canvas roof? Ted Nugent! You were a conservative all your life, yeah! PJRodman Gino, if memory serves it had a vinyl roof and the cheapest plastic seat covers that would either freeze your butt to it in winter or have you sitting in a puddle in the summer. I also remember it had a one barrel carburetor on the squirrel…you’d have to get out and push on an entrance ramp….total piece of crap. Yes, have always loved Ted. AmericanborninCanada Oh crap I hated vinyl seats back home!!!! You’d freeze to death even through long underwear in the winter and you’d have to get someone to use a spatula to get you unstuck in the summer, and leave half your backside skin stuck to the danged seats!! PJRodman Laughing…certainly never needed to shave the thighs the vinyl gave you quite a “wax” AmericanborninCanada LOL I never looked at it that way. ROFL!! poljunkie Its a riot that we have all always loved Uncle Ted. The second time I saw him was a year after I graduated high school in 1978. At a Day on the Green concert. They were an all day out door concert. Sooo much fun. Ted Nugent, Blue Öyster Cult, Journey, AC/DC, Cheap Trick. Im not sure but Santana may have played too, but I cant remember if that was another show. There were a lot of Day of the Greens, and we used to go all the time. You had to be careful- you would fry – I mean get so sunburn it would be insane. AmericanborninCanada That would have been so cool! I love Journey too!! PJRodman We called it punch buggy in Indiana and Kentucky. It aggravates the snot out of my kids…which makes it that much more fun. poljunkie slug bug Amy LOL – It’s fun now that there are more on the road. For awhile we never saw them often enough to play. My kids played PT Cruiser Bruiser. freenca I had a bug for my first car too, 18 years as the economical mode of transport around. There are days NOW when I wish I still had that little guy! Rshill7 That little guy…I like that. AmericanborninCanada My main memory of a VW Bug other than the one the boys at highschool rebuilt on the roof, was when I got hit by one in 2nd grade. OUCH! Glad the hippies driving it weren’t going too fast 😉 Cindy09 You’ve got great boys, Amy! My boys are still young and seem inclined to help their dad. I love the spirit! poljunkie Yep, in junior high and high school, the boys took auto shop and wood working , and us gurlies took cooking and sewing. When I was a senior ( in 77) they were just starting to let boys and girls co mingle in the classes and both loved it. Cindy09 And don’t forget drawing!!! The Nuns used to grow a vegetable garden and each week will charge us money to draw a split cucumber or other greenies which were then tossed. One day, one of the students jumped the classroom window and filled in her bag with veggies which she took home!! The rest of us gasped. They never found out, we know we’d be spanked! poljunkie Spanked. Wow. Times have changed huh? Rshill7 in 4rth grade I used to get spanked regularly. Also had to stand in front of the class holding a thick text book straight out, with arms extended, until I couldn’t hold it anymore. I’ll bet I got at least 50 spankings in school. Air Force Base schools. Got many more spankings than that from Mom and Dad too. But don’t believe I ever got a spanking that I didn’t deserve. Makes my tail hurt just thinking about it 🙂 It’s good for ya’! poljunkie My parents used to spank. My mom more than my dad. My dad would say, I’ll give you three to get over here…and then count. one, to , three. On three, I’d take off running. Hee hee Rshill7 It’s tough for a Dad to spank his girls. I have two of them. They are so precious, I can’t even believe it. In their early 20’s now 🙂 I did what you describe to Mom. She has always had a soft spot in her heart for Rs…and me for her 🙂 poljunkie Yep. We never raised a hand to our son, but I did rant and rave quite a few times…on and on and on. AND then later usually went into his room and back tracked. Due to mom guilt. Hes a great kid- young adult, fine young man now ( knock on wood). So we must have done some thing right. AmericanborninCanada My boy’s too big to spank dang it. Has been since he was 5. DOH! Going to his room, yeah right. The only thing I can do is take away stuff he wants, like computer time, TV or dessert 😉 AmericanborninCanada My mom spanked more than my dad too- you knew my dad was awful mad when he showed up to do it. I never ran, but I did try the old “stuff the book down the back of my pants” trick. Didn’t work- I was too skinny and my dad saw that I all of a sudden had a big square butt. I think he and my mom laughed after 😉 poljunkie Big square butt. Hilarious. AmericanborninCanada Even more so if you could have seen what I looked like back then! hahahahaha!!! toongoon When my oldest boys were still hadn’t quite reached ten, we watched my two nephews everyday for a few years, they were all close in age. One particular day the four boys were rambunctious and my wife was her wits end. I came home from work and she told me that they all needed a spanking. I could see that they were just cooped up all day and mama was not going to be deterred, so I brought the four boys into the other room and told them to scream and cry while I slapped my own thigh. By the time I got to the last boy, the other three started laughing and mama realized something was up. We told her, she had a great laugh too, and it brightened up the rest of the day. poljunkie Thats awesome. NYGino I have four sons, when they were little and needed ‘attention’ I would take a newspaper, fold it in thirds and wack them on the butt. It made a lot of noise but didn’t hurt at all. When I did this they would start crying as if it hurt. A few minutes later, when all was forgiven and forgotten, I would take the same newspaper and laugh and chase them around the house and whoop them again on their butts, only this time harder and louder and they would laugh their heads off. LIBERTYUSA …BRAVO !” DebbyX NEAT!!!! I wonder where those left over screws belong? Joe PISSIOLI the alien pdmd Progressives have been removing parts from the American Constitutional engine for sometime. Who has the keys? aquaviva England’s Iowahawk gearhead doppleganger poljunkie I love the word doppleganger. 911Infidel In case you missed it…another interesting Afterburner: “Follow the Ideology” KenInMontana Thanks Scoop- This brought back some great memories for me. When I was 16 I got my first car, a 1963 Ford Fairlane Sport Coupe. It was ivory white with a red leather interior, low back bucket seats, just a few minor cosmetic issues (an easily repaired rust spot on the fender) for the whopping sum of $575 . My Dad and I spent a period of two weeks swapping out the 260 CI for a 289 block, had the heads from the 260 boiled and dressed, then slapped them on the new block (an old gearhead trick to raise compression and horsepower without boring out the block etc). Of course Dad drove it first, while cruising the drag downtown, Dad decided to humiliate another local gearhead’s GTO sporting a beefed up 426. Dad beat him by 3 lengths! Good times, I sure miss Dad. The Right Scoop I thought this would have been the car you’d have gotten for your 16th birthday – brand new: http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1908/tbig.jpg GreenBeretWay Ouch!!!! KenInMontana Hey now! I’m old but not ancient LOL. Almost got one of those, lol . A friend of my Dad’s restored those old beauties. He was going to offer me a 29 Chevy, but we moved from Northern California before he could bring it in from the farm where he kept them. Probably still be trying to restore it. 🙂 AmericanborninCanada LOL! kong1967 Learned on Friday that my employer is probably going to drop our health insurance coverage. I really hate Obama and the libs. They sell the healthcare bill as if it will make it so everyone can have healthcare. What they have accomlished is forcing millions of people of their private healthcare plans. They sold us one hell of a bill of goods (not that any of us believed it to begin with). toongoon They didn’t sell it to us kong. They bought, intimidated, and lied to pass it. kong1967 Yeah, you’re right. Nukeman60 This administration, the liberal left, and the Media all are trying to sell Obamacare as a great thing for us, for our healthcare, and for the nation. I’m just wondering why people can’t see that it is an overbearing burden to the healthcare system. All people would have to do is look at what it wants to do, see the “benefits”, and ask themselves, “How is this going to be paid for? How does it actually reduce the cost of healthcare?” They want to keep people on their parents insurance till they’re 26 (how is that paid for). They want insurance with no pre-existing conditions clauses (wow, just don’t buy till you get sick). The states can opt out of the program now (increases the cost). They want to expand Medicare (but take 500 billion from Medicare to help pay for it). The penalty will be cheaper for companies than the insurance they have now (as with Kong, there goes your company insurance). They want to pay doctors less for Medicare/Medicaid fees (so how many doctors will remain?). The medical device tax is going to increase, as well. They want to reduce prescription drug cost (who pays for that?). They will give Tax credits to companies (where does that payment come from?). They want to eliminate lifetime limits (so who pays for that cost?). They will be eliminating Medicare Advantage, the only part that has been successful. It goes on and on and on. Obama was smart to institute the benefits first, and then later institute the means to pay for it (in 2014-2016). By the time we get the final total bill for medical services, it will be entrenched into our system, much like Medicare and Social Security was, and can never be removed. Nothing this program gives us is free. Somebody somewhere has to pay for it. Name any benefit this program gives us and you can see that it will raise the cost of healthcare, period. This program should have been called the UNAffordable Care Act. Repeal Obama, then repeal Obamacare. There is no other alternative. kong1967 Fantastic post. You’ve hit the nail right on the head. We have to retake the WH and it has to be in November. Anything later will be too late…literally. All the idiots that have been so gung-ho on supporting this bill are going to have a rude awakening. I will laugh in their faces and say “You voted for this.” Patriot077 And even if it could possibly turn out to be “free”, who on earth would want insurance from a party that offers no recourse, no choices, no quality assurance. I don’t want subpar medical care at any price. And that’s not even considering the potential “care path” the IPAB will adopt – as they practice in the UK. From admission to death in an average of 33 hours on that path; an astounding 130,000 elderly people a year according to one of the NIH doctors. Medicaid for all; quality for none. I can’t stand to even think about it any more. It’s just sick. Joe WELL You know this is coming !! That was Pissioli’s engine – That’s why there are some missing parts! Have a nice “cool” weekend all – I am putting on my speedo I keed – I keed! Rshill7 Crazy ass 🙂 NYGino Joe, my cursor was placed right above “Like” and I was going to click it until you said that thing about the speedo, so I’m not going to give you a Like after seeing that. AmericanborninCanada lol! Joe I found out that this guy was in love with an “OLDER WOMAN” I confess – Me Too! http://youtu.be/tdwoaP9_b0w Again – Stay Cool! poljunkie Our son has a girlfriend on the side. Sally. Mustang that is. When we finally scrapped up the cash to buy him the car in 2007 we actually had someone paint “her” name on the back bumper. We took our son out to lunch, and as we were walking out my husband had an ipod and mini speaker in his pocket playing this: Our son was totally bewildered as we walked to a mustang with a huge red ribbon on the hood. BEST DAY EVER. toongoon That’s cool! poljunkie Yes, we loved every minute of it. Joe BEYOND COOL! poljunkie Thanks Joe. He was blown away. We are so glad we did it when we did. GreenBeretWay Great story poljunkie. Do you need another son? You can take me to lunch and give me a cool car with a ribbon on the hood. poljunkie It was a lot of fun, and we loved it…he loved it, he still loves it…. We are so glad we did it in 2007. Couldn’t do it now. The best part was the look on his face. Even walking to the car, and the song playing, he still had no idea. He was totally in the dark. We actually pulled off the surprise. Rshill7 We did something like that for our son, only it was a Fender Telecaster Deluxe, and a Line 6 amp…the big one. he’s really good…way better than I. Also bought him a 16-track recorder for his 16th birthday. I taught him how to play guitar, piano and drums and he taught me how to multi-track record. We have made several CD’s together…right ABC? poljunkie Thats awesome!!!! AmericanborninCanada Not to mention, they can sing too! AmericanborninCanada So, in other words, you bought your son the toys and you’ve played with them as much as he has! 😀 YAY! That’s what’s so fun!! And YES, you guys are AWESOME! AmericanborninCanada My son had a crush on one of the girls in our homeschool group. He was 9 at the time and she was 13. That’s my boy lol! I know yer talkin’ cars and stuff, but I thought it was funny. Conservative_Hippie LOL! Nukeman60 And now, the rest of the story: As he pulled out of the driveway, beaming with pride from what he had accomplished, he suddenly gets pulled over, yanked out of the car, cuffs slapped on his wrists and hauled away, never to be seen again. WHY? The EPA claimed it was a blight to the environment and could not be allowed. The DoT claimed that he had not procured the proper tonnage of permits to be able to own, work on, startup or drive the vehicle. The Government forces claimed the oil waste was not disposed of properly, the Union hall and NLRB were not notified and compensated for the proper labor force for the work, the Screen Actors Guild was not compensated for the video, and the NTSB wants to know where the spare parts came from. All in all, 11 months of work, 3000 photos and a lifetime in court, fighting the audacity of hope. Did I mention that the video was pretty cool? toongoon LOL Nuke. Always putting it in proper perspective. wodiej that was cool. I’m not mechanically inclined but think it’s fascinating that some are. GiantM The human mind is an amazing creation…..tis it not!? Sober_Thinking Cool! 🙂 PJRodman That was great. All the guys in my house are gonna love this…they can all make about anything out of metal and work on all the vehicles and tractors. Having mechanical people around sure is a great thing. I wish I was creative enough to do something like this on one of their rebuild projects. ConnieConservative That was amazing! And the music was perfect too. My Father-in-law was a mechanic all his life. He served in 5 WW2 campaigns taking care of the trucks in the Army Air Force. This gives me a visual of his work. ConnieConservative Watched this a second time with my husband. To my surprise he was able to name each and every part. He worked week-ends in his Dad’s garage as a kid. (25 cents/ hr.) Thanks TRS. Learned something new about my Sweetie! PAWatcher I have a drawer full of “leftover” parts from hubby’s projects. Never know when or if their rightful place will be found. Every project has been success without them, go figure. poljunkie I need help. We live in a semi-wooded area. The darn chipmunks and now rats have invaded our engine compartment. They are feasting on our wiring. The mechanic said it is because they are coating the wires with a soy based insulation now. We just replaced the wiring on hubbys car and that set us back 1200.00. This is the second time. We have no room in the garage for the cars. Does anyone know of any repellent that works? We have tried everything. Peppermint oil. Ammonia, traps. They eat the bait and run away…its astounding. If I didn’t know any better I would think they had opposable thumbs. Amy Cats?? 🙂 My bro swears moth balls work to keep critters out of his old Chevy. It sits covered and he pours moth balls around it on the ground. poljunkie YES CATS would be great but we dont want to adopt cats to leave outside- its just too hot for them. When we went to the shelter they woudlnt let us get a cat if we had 2 dogs inside. We are going to pick up the moth balls too, and put them in the lingerie bag and put them all around the car. Thanks Amy. PJRodman Falcons, Hawks, Barn Owls and big black snakes or corn snakes. Had a great big black snake that hung out around the barn…it would scare the Sh** out of me when it surprised me in a bin or behind a bail or something…but it sure ate the varmints. Someone thought they were being helpful and killed it sadly. poljunkie Do you think a plastic owl would help? PJRodman No, people put those over their boats in the marina and the birds sit on em…LOL. Might work for a short time but they figure it out. poljunkie Thats funny. AmericanborninCanada We had one in our garden, and it only seemed to attract more bunnies and squirrels. DOH! GreenBeretWay Rats? Try a meatball massacre.Buy some cheap hamburger,tuna in oil and some Decon rat kill.Make a bunch of meatballs and put them out especially along the wall edge. They will be droppin like rats before you know it.The Chipmunks? Make a catapult that’s spring loaded and watch those bad boys fly. poljunkie Sounds like an idea, but we have to be extra careful due to our dogs. Thanks for the tip though. Maybe we can make the meatball massacre and put them in the covered bait station things. GreenBeretWay Count them out and when you put them out make a map of when you place them so you know you got them all back up once the rats have had their fill. Just don’t let the other animals near the massacre until you are done.The smell of the tuna/hamburger draws them right in. poljunkie Thanks!The meatball massacre is going to take place tomorrow night. That gives me time to go to Safeway and buy the meatball stuff. Yes it is all out war here. We have been leaving the lights on at night, which is not within the rules here. We have a dark skys policy in our town, and the city inspector enforces it too. ….. AND we also have the “boom box” on from midnight-8 am. I keep picturing the gopher from Caddy shack, rocking out when the moon comes out. Rshill7 Sinner. poljunkie ha wodiej Above All ConnieConservative Thank you Wodie. So beautiful. Brought tears to my eyes. wodiej you’re most welcome. Cindy09 Thanks Wodiej, this ends my week under the right perspective. Above All Things, rulings, taxation, kingdoms you name it!!! There’s no way to measure HIS worth! God bless you all guys! And God bless America!! AmericanborninCanada Amen!! AmericanborninCanada I love that song! Thanks wodiej! Here’s another one I just listened to, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwjTT2bqKk0&feature=related Libertyship46 Ah, but can he make a ham sandwich, that’s what I want to know! Conservative_Hippie Um…yeah…I could that…yeah…sure…er…um…yeah, that’s the ticket. AmericanborninCanada lol! Hi C_Brother! 😀 Conservative_Hippie Hi my AbC sister! Fancy seeing you here! LOL! AmericanborninCanada 😀 bejocy Now…why did he paint his Triumph engine Chevy blue? aZjimbo Kind of looks like what we have to do to this country ASAP. JoelDick Please help me get this petition off the ground: http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-congress-restore-hail-columbia-as-the-us-national-anthem AmericanborninCanada I’m sorry Joel, it might just be me, but one of the biggest things I loved about America before I even came was the Star Spangled Banner. To me, that was the whole freedom and perseverence that America was built on. The fact that so many men died, a long night of battle against a huge navy with a small group of men in that fort, kind of like the Alamo… yet in the morning, the flag still waved proud. I can’t imagine America without The Star Spangled Banner. poljunkie I concur. anyonebutbarry2012 No Thanks. How unpatriotic and during the week of 4th of July poljunkie NO Thanks. NYGino Your avatar says it all. Good luck getting encouragement for your unpatriotic cause on this site. You might want to try some other fishing hole. JoelDick Look closer dierardo BENISSIMO AL TRE TANTE Whitewolf2009 Ha! I can do that kind of work on an engine in my sleep… When I’m dreaming… When I’m awake… erm… Not so much. Entertaining video none the less! Rshill7 This was written by a political analyst and attorney in SC on the day of the ruling: “To all my friends, particularly those conservatives who are despondent over the searing betrayal by Chief Justice John Roberts and the pending demise of our beloved country, I offer this perspective to convey some profound hope and evidence of the Almighty’s hand in the affairs of men in relation to the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare. I initially thought we had cause for despondency when I only heard the results of the decision and not the reason or the make-up of the sides. I have now read a large portion of the decision and I believe that it was precisely the result that Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts and even Kennedy wanted and not a defeat for conservatism or the rule of law. I believe the conservatives on the court have run circles around the liberals and demonstrated that the libs are patently unqualified to be on the Supreme Court. Let me explain. First let me assure you that John Roberts is a conservative and he is not dumb, mentally unstable, diabolical, a turncoat, a Souter or even just trying to be too nice. He is a genius along with the members of the Court in the dissent. The more of the decision I read the more remarkable it became. It is not obvious and it requires a passable understanding of Constitutional law but if it is explained anyone can see the beauty of it. The decision was going to be a 5-4 decision no matter what, so the allegation that the decision was a partisan political decision was going to be made by the losing side and their supporters. If the bill was struck down completely with Roberts on the other side there would have been a national and media backlash against conservatives and probably strong motivation for Obama supporters to come out and vote in November. With today’s decision that dynamic is reversed and there is a groundswell of support for Romney and Republicans, even for people who were formerly lukewarm toward Romney before today, additionally Romney raised more than 3 million dollars today. Next, merely striking the law without the support of Democrats and libs would have left the fight over the commerce clause and the “necessary and proper “ clause and the federal government’s role in general festering and heading the wrong way as it has since 1942. As a result of the decision the libs are saying great things about Roberts; how wise, fair and reasonable he is. They would never have said that without this decision even after the Arizona immigration decision on Monday. In the future when Roberts rules conservatively it will be harder for the left and the media to complain about the Robert’s Court’s fairness. That’s why he as Chief Justice went to the other side for this decision not Scalia, Alito, Thomas or Kennedy, all of whom I believe would have been willing to do it. Next let’s look at the decision itself. Thankfully Roberts got to write it as Chief Justice and it is a masterpiece. (As I write this the libs don’t even know what has happened they just think Roberts is great and that they won and we are all going to have free, unlimited healthcare services and we are all going to live happily ever after.) He first emphatically states that Obamacare is unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause saying you cannot make people buy stuff. Then he emphatically states that it is unconstitutional under the “necessary and proper” clause which only applies to “enumerated powers” in the US Constitution. Justices Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan all went along with these statements. They never would have gone along with that sentiment if that was the basis for striking the law in total. This is huge because this means that the Court ruled 9-0 that Obamacare was unconstitutional under the Commerce clause which was Obama’s whole defense of the bill. They also ruled 9-0 on the “necessary and proper” clause. Even better both of these rulings were unnecessary to the decision so it is gravy that we got the libs to concede this and it will make it easier to pare away at both theories in the future, which we must do. Well done. Roberts, through very tortured reasoning, goes on to find that the taxing law provides the Constitutionality for the law. Virtually everyone agrees that the Federal government has the power to do this as it does with the mortgage deduction for federal income taxes. This too is huge because Obama assiduously avoided using the term “tax” and now he has to admit this law is a tax and it is on everyone even the poor. That will hurt him hugely in the polls and will help Romney. More importantly though is the fact that this makes this a budgetary issue that can be voted on in the Senate by a mere majority instead of 60 votes needed to stop a filibuster. That means that if the Republicans can gain a majority in the Senate, it can vote to repeal Obamacare in total. Finally the Court voted 7-2 to strike down the punitive rules that take away money from states that do not expand Medicare as required in Obamacare. This too is huge because we got Kagan and Breyer to join this decision and it can easily be applied to many other cases of extortion the Federal government uses to force states to do things they don’t want to. This is also amazing because Obamacare has no severability clause so by striking the Medicaid mandate portion as unconstitutional the whole bill should have been struck. If that happened none of these other benefits would have been accomplished. I haven’t read far enough to know how he did it but I am sure it is brilliant. So to recap the Roberts court through a brilliant tactical maneuver has: strengthened the limitations of the commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause by a unanimous decision, made Obama raise taxes on the poor and middle classes, converted Obamacare into a tax program repealable with 51 votes in the Senate, enhanced Romney’s and Republican’s fundraising and likelihood of being elected in November, weakened federal extortion and got the left to love Roberts and sing his praises all without anyone even noticing. Even Obama is now espousing the rule of law just 2 weeks after violating it with his deportation executive order. That is why I have decided this was a genius decision and that I did in fact get a great birthday present today not to mention U. S. Attorney General Eric Holder being held in contempt. What a day.” 🙂 J S I have to disagree. Although I was not mad at the decision, mostly because the IRS was so much a part of the Ocare bill and thought it was being implemented as a tax by the govt dept in charge of taxing. I still think that the court should have struck down Obamacare because it was before the court to decide if it was Constitutional through the Commerce Claus, as that was the justification through Obamas administration. I am not a lawyer and do not know all of the descretion the court has in this instance, and it is now obvious that CJ Roberts thought it was within his power. The most disturbing fact of the ruling is that this ruling gives the “Federal” Govt the power to force every citizen to purchase a good or service under the guise of a tax. If the Chief Justice was trying to be clever and show that the court was not political in it’s rulings, he failed in the fact that he eventually used a political tactical move to try and disprove that claim. Note the recent polls showing a lower approval rating for the SC than before the ruling. Rshill7 You are quite a shallow thinker who is simply floating down the proverbial river along with a dimwitted crowd. How difficult is that? Polls, scmolls. Results are what matters. Long term results. I don’t think you get it. That’s OK though. Most people don’t, including democrats, who’ll get their clocks cleaned this year. No offense, but you have said slightly less than nothing here. Don’t worry about it, you have plenty of company. The Governor of Florida, along with others no doubt, will ignore this entire thing, because it is now toothless. The Government has lost it’s ability to coerce the states. There are only 4 types of taxes, and the court did not label which kind it was. This business that says the government can coerce us to do anything in the future and call it a tax, is baloney. Once the first person is assessed this “tax” more lawsuits from people with standing will ensue. I don’t think it’ll get that far though. The people through their representatives will toss it, in full. I believe the conservative justices on the court did this in concert with each other because they actually care about our country and it’s direction. Progressives will look like absolute liars and idiots. Only this time to many more people. O’ should be saying to himself something like,”be careful of what you ask for, you might get it.” You’ll see. Stay tuned. J S Shallow thinker along with a dimwitted crowd? Sigh, it must be nice up on that high horse you are riding. What a sad exposure of the content of your character. What happened to respecting others opinions? I guess some people just know everything. Enjoy your almighty intelligence over us shallow thinking dimwits. Excuse me for expecting the SCOTUS to do what they are supposed to do RULE by the laws and Constitution instead of political influence. But then again I’m just a shallow thinker Rshill7 Yes, you are. NYGino Rs, please refer to my post under the thread “Mark Levin analyzes SCOTUS ruling upholding Obamacare, one of the last postings on that thread. Are we on the same page, somewhat? Happy Birthday. Rshill7 I will. Rshill7 Had not read that sir. That thread brings back bad memories. Aaahahahaha. That was eloquent, and extremely well written. I really appreciate that NYGino. And don’t be wishin’ birfdays on me. It ain’t time 🙂 NYGino Thought if you got a birthday present it must have been your birthday. Oh well, remember I already wished you a Happy Birthday when the real day comes around. toongoon This will take the wind out of the sails of the professional protesters. How do you get people to protest a win they wanted. With them quiet for a while we can get the message out about how high every bodies taxes will go up and some of those people just might come to their senses. The brilliance of this decision is starting to make my steps a little lighter and my grin a little more sinister. Short of martial law, November is looking quite good. Rshill7 Thanks Toon. You got it. Very well said sir. poljunkie I just read this on another site 🙂 I was so depressed last night thinking about Health Care Plans, the economy, the wars, lost jobs, savings, Social Security, retirement funds, etc …. I called a Suicide Hotline. I had to press 1 for English. I was connected to a call center in Pakistan . I told them I was suicidal. They got excited and asked if I could drive a truck…… Jude O’Connor Aaannndddd it takes zero amount of mechanical talent to drive it away.