STUNNING LOSS: Replacement refs get it wrong, give game to Seahawks


This is exactly what instant replay is for and the replacement refs still got it wrong. You just got to see it:

Consider this an open thread.

UPDATE: Here’s a photo from right after the catch that leaves no doubt. Click to make larger:


UPDATE 3: Not sure which NFL replacement refs they are referring to, but seriously, go read this now.

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  • AustindPowers

    i’m from seattle and was rooting for the seahawks… but yeah… we didn’t win.

    • johngalt30

      If we lost today, then we should have won a Super Bowl however many years ago. Ref’s generally seem to root against Seattle pro and college teams (am I rite?), I’ll take any win we can get… but yeah it was a bad call.

      • warpmine

        Par for the course for these amateur refs. Look, the Packer player clearly caught the ball and the Seahawk clearly caught the Packer. So he had special help, after all, the ball is a small object and is difficult to handle at times so why not invoke the “I caught the other player rule which states that if the other player catches the ball and you got him, you essentially caught the ball. Sounds a little like affirmative action.

        I’ve been watching this fiasco play out these last three weeks and you can write these stats in the same column as steroid baseball because that’s what it’s like. Horrible calls all the way around and the owners/league better get the pro refs back on the payroll or watch the credibility vanish along with much of the disgusted fan base.

      • Is that some kinda BS ?

    • 3seven77

      My hubby works for a local TV station and was at the game. As part of his job he was able to see shots of the play that were taken by local cameramen at the immediate sideline where the catch was made. These angles were never aired by ESPN. He told me those tapes show the Seattle player actually did make the catch.

      • Jeff Vallier

        Unequivocal crap.

        The NFL would have clearly shown these in its BS explanation if they existed.

        Looking at the enlarged photo above also demonstrates beyond a shadow of a doubt what utter and complete idiocy it is to claim Tate “actually did make the catch”.

  • modoc1873

    We are stunned here in WI. That could have cost us the playoffs.

    • Rshill7

      Playoffs!? Playoffs!? Don’t talk about playoffs! Playoffs? 🙂

      • tvlgds

        Is that your best Jim Mora imitation? LOL!

  • joeschmoebies

    Everyone’s going to focus on the final play, but the Packers got a free first down in their Touchdown drive as well. Ultimately bad officiating giveth, bad officiating taketh away.

    • 1st down ? are u kidding me ? I guess you think these refs are top-o-the line? u goofball, SeaHawks didnt earn that win, it was given to them. Grow up wuss

      • halfmadjesus

        Packers would have had to punt, thus removing 7 of their points off the board. They were manhandled by the Seahawks pretty much the entire game, so if the Pack hadn’t come up with that earlier TD the refs helped them get, they wouldn’t have been in a position to win the game in the first place.

    • tvlgds

      And the Saints had a clear touchdown reversed. There were FIVE reversals in that one game.

  • marketcomp

    Wow, Rush was talking about the amateur referees today. There is so much riding on these calls that a review of the new refs is just a matter of time.

  • proudhispanicconservative

    I think the referees got it right by rule when two players go up for the ball and comedown with the ball, the touchdown or catch is usually given to the offensive team.

    • Except only one player caught it. Tate only had one hand on the ball initially when means he didn’t catch it.

      • proudhispanicconservative

        I think the problem for Jennings was that he was not able to put his body on top of the ball. But all the problems with the stupid referees is another example of unions measing things up for us. Now scoop I was trying not to know the score of the game I was recording it at home since I work at night ughhh ……. I forgive you though

        • OOOPS! Oh man, well, I guess I just ruined it for ya. Ha!

        • If you land on the ground with both hands on the ball, and said ball is clutched tightly to your chest, YOU have the ball.

          It should have been ended on the interference anyway.

          • PFFV

            Righto Bob 🙂 I just posted was it just me that saw the interference before he jumped. Glad it wasn’t just me… hee hee

        • WI4Walker

          No kidding – it’s like bring government into something, it gets screwed up. Same thing with unions.

      • PFFV

        Was it just me? Tate should have been charged with offensive interfereance shoving the defender forward on his face before he jumped. These officials are horrible, that is clear. I would love to know the details that are holding the regular NFL officials back from doing their jobs. This is one of many reasons why unions suck!

      • halfmadjesus

        ESPN repeatedly SAID that Tate only had one hand on the ball, but I think his left hand, which you can’t see very well in the replay angle, was also on the ball (behind the Packer defender’s arms). Otherwise, the officials, who were standing right there, couldn’t have possibly been confused about what happened — even replacement refs aren’t completely blind. What Tate did do, indisputably, was push off on the defender to get into position.

    • by rule: “It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.”

      • Cindy09

        Translation: Redistribution of wealth??!!

    • sybilll

      But only if the offensive receiver makes a presumptive catch, then the defensive player grasps part or all of the ball. The video shows that is not the case.

    • That only applies if both caught it at the same time. That didnt happen. Jennings had it all the way down, the chawk grabbed at it after it was caught.

    • WI4Walker

      Yes that is the rule if two people catch the ball. That didn’t happen here.

  • Thomas Sorensten

    Funny how we can easily forget how horrible yesterday was. Go to youtube and search for horrible calls in the NFL 2011, you’ll see the same types of calls from the “Good” refs. Last year the refs were blind, stupid and ignorant of reality. This year those same refs are the gods the press begs to return and save us.

    No thanks, I’ll not trade honest mistakes of today for the self serving tyrants of yesterday. Keep them locked out and stop being duped into hating the replacement refs.

    • tvlgds

      The one thing the crappy scab zebras are doing is making the crappy regular zebras look good!

  • You can clearly see Tate grab Jennings arm then let go of his arm and then try to grab for the football..
    Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3
    Item 5: Simultaneous catch

    If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers.

    It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control.

    Yeah the packers got screwed, good thing this is only week 3, but if a was a Packers fan I think I might be worried in the long run, because this doesn’t look like the Aaron Rogers Packers offense I seen last year and that’s not good, Aaron Rogers can’t throw a TD pass on Monday night football? wtf!

    • proudhispanicconservative

      Lol I hate the packers too but I said it by rule the score belongs to the offensive team.

      • I would agree with you if tate had the ball first, which he didn’t.

    • halfmadjesus

      It’s hard to throw TD passes when you’re lying on your back for half the game. The Seahawks sacked Rogers 9 times – they terrorized him all night. If the Seahawks offense had done a better job itself, or one of Rogers’ sacks had resulted in a fumble, or something, the game wouldn’t have even been close. In spite of getting robbed at the end, the Packers were beat in 3/4 of a football game last night, so they can only complain up to a certain point.

  • Aikalo80

    I hate the packers, sooo no comment! hahahaha

  • Aikalo80


    • TLaMana

      Nice win yester.. ohhhh nevermind…

      • Aikalo80

        oh you must be that browns fan, bless your heart!

        • TLaMana

          Native from Baltimore. You know, the team that swept yours last year.

  • Aikalo80

    people are giving these “replacement” refs a hard time, but the “real” refs make the same blown calls all the time. Its a mistake, its a part of officiating.

    • AustindPowers

      that’s kinda how i feel. i think refs, be they replacement or regular, always manage to mess things up. they make bad calls, they don’t make other calls, they call things that aren’t really penalties… i just think people are more willing to jump on the replacement refs backs. watch when we get the regular refs back we’ll want to go back to the replacements.

  • Martin2717

    Tate gets away with offensive pass inference.

  • Sad part is the NFL and it’s owners doesn’t give one damn about these bad calls… they care about their bottom line dollar in the long run against ‘real’ refs.

    • proudhispanicconservative

      The real problem is the unions that want a pension for a part time job, I am in the thought that you should earn your pension, and lets not forget the real refs make a lot of mistakes.Me as a fan I am prepared to suffer and not let the unions win again.

      • I’m not sure if the union is the problem because the NFL it’s owners are in a lock-out with the refs. It’s the owners that want changes, just like they wanted changes with the players last year. Problem for the Refs they don’t really have leverage, like the players did, NFL couldn’t put replacement players out there again.

  • You want some CHEESE to go with that WHINE?


    • A_Truism


  • Steve Young has it right saying replacements just aren’t in position to succeed. Game too fast at this level.

  • Well, I know the feeling of bad ref’ing. Yesturday in Dallas, one blown call, and that may have changed the pace of the game. Unfortunately, I am liking the “replacements” all in all, and would rather have too many penalties, weak calls, than the old blind as a bat calls from last year. Give these guys a chance, this is a new thing for them, just like any rookie, they won’t get it right at first, but, I think these guys will be better than the regs any day.

    And before Scoop and the rest of the Texas crew hear kill me, yes, I know, I am an anti-Cowboy(ex-Oiler here, and the rule as an Oiler, you NEVER root for a Cowboy). But after Bud Adams left Houston, I took on rooting for the worst NFL team(hate bandwagon jumpers), so GO BUCS!!!

  • ok , I am a football official. Simultaneous catch always goes to the offense. That, however, was not simultaneous…

  • proudhispanicconservative

    I take it back after seeing that picture, there is no doubt Jennings had the ball in control.

  • At some point, you’ve made enough points.

    I believe in redistribution.

    I’m Barack Obama, and you’ll approve of this message and like it.

    • StrangernFiction

      The Packers have enough Super Bowls.

      • WI4Walker


      • That’s exactly right! Let’s get some mastermind in Washington to select the next winner so we can all feel better about ourselves. Yay.

        I don’t know. Football just isn’t the game it used to be.

    • Cindy09

      Heck!! You read my mind! I thought of it as redistribution of wealth too. The one at the top always get screwed no matter how tightly he hold onto his assets. Someone always jumps in to claim the winnings! Ha!

  • Being a Patriots fan, I can understand GB fans’ pain. However, also being a Bear’s fan, let’s hear it for the refs!!! (until they cause the Bears to lose).

    Seriously, I agree that all refs make mistakes. However, one thing going for the “real” refs is that they generally keep the game consistent. Players generally will have an idea of how physical or not physical a game will be and adapt accordingly. When you do not make a call consistently and then make it here or there, it is fairly difficult.

    We are all use to the one or two missed/bad calls per game. The only thing here is that inconsistency are driving fans nuts.

  • Amjean

    I watched the play and heard various pundits, officials state that the rule is when both players have their hands on the ball the offense wins the tie. One must look at the play
    from multiple angles to get the grasp of what happened. The play was reviewed.

    That said, if Green Bay had only scored more points in the first place they would not
    have had to worry about a bad call. That is what I tell the kids I coach. I also tell
    them to get used to it, not to fret, live to play another day because life is not and never
    will be “fair”.

  • TLaMana

    If this doesn’t force a settlement in the strike then I don’t know what would.

  • michael carpenter

    It’s so fun to have a non political argument. Here’s to eight years of pure sports partisanism after Tuesday November 6th 2012.

  • BS61

    What’s this thing you call Football?!

    • A_Truism

      LMAO! Seriously? You are so funny.

  • The tie goes to…

    … the runner in baseball
    … the receiver in football


    Before the Packer interceptor’s knees touched the ground the Seahawk receiver had half control of the ball.

    The tie goes to the receiver.


  • I don’t understand the rules to this game at all. Much like the current administration.

  • I am from Seattle and was at the game as well and saw this unfold with 8 seconds left on the clock and this is not what I saw when the players started peeling back–a Seahawks player and a Packer’s player both had possession and the refs ruled that since Seakhawks were on offense they won possession and thus got the touchdown. So I don’t agree with this frame of the replay or what some of the other posters from Seattle who claim that the Seakhawks did not win the game. There is more to the story than this pic shows.

    • WI4Walker

      “There’s more to the story” What? Most ridiculous comment yet.

  • mike3e4r7

    rof lmao!! Great analogy Scoop, and funny as hell. The refs are Obama and The Seahawks are GM getting a bail out. Thanks for the laugh. I needed that!

  • havetoask

    The on field call will continue to be discussed for years. What bothered me for a while is how/why the “first line” replay officials also blew it so badly?
    Then, an epiphany: They are the “A” team but because they are a different union they are working. Their cohorts in the other union are locked out and the replay refs are tired of working so hard and decide their counterparts could use some help. What a better way than to support a tragically executed call on the field of play. Now everyone will be loudly clamoring for the labor dispute to be settled. Believe me, I am a Packer Fan for many decades and will continue to be. We got the short end of the stick tonight and there were so many blown calls by the field refs. This is expected. But why should we put up with blown calls from the replay “A” team? They are the ones who should be expecting a call from the league office.

    • Nukeman60

      That is an excellent analysis of the replay booth. I was wondering that point myself when I saw the game live. How could the replay judges, who are not replacement, get it wrong as well? Your answer explains a lot about Unions in general. Well done.

  • Juan_Rico

    That was ridiculous. The other big bonehead move I’ve seen these guys do this week was when one of them tripped Kevin Ogletree in the end zone by throwing his hat at him and made him miss a touchdown catch. Dallas still won or I’m pretty sure people would be making a bigger deal of it. Here’s the video of it:

    • That ref didn’t intentionally try to tip Ogletree, he screwed up tossing it in the field of play, but not to trip Ogletree.

      • Garym

        Why did he throw his hat in the first place? Usually a hat is thrown to mark where a player steps out of bounds or to mark a fumble. There was no reason to throw a hat on that play.

        • Juan_Rico

          Exactly. I never said he threw it to try and trip him. He just had no reason to throw it and why did he throw it right in Ogletree’s path of travel? He was nowhere near out of bounds.

          • Garym

            He had money on the game perhaps?

  • Like Obama says: everybody gets a fair shot, including lousy refs and the Meanhawks.

  • I would like to punish the refs by having them count to 16 TRILLION. It would only take over 300,000 years. Ready, start counting.

  • WordsFailMe

    Scoop–got any more on the LFL?

  • KenInMontana

    Unions, nuff said.

    • Nukeman60

      Interesting how when the Unions are screwing everybody left and right in the public sector, people yawn and say, “we gotta help these poor workers get their rights”. But when the Unions screw the fans of pro football, they finally get mad and open their eyes to what Unions are really doing to us.

      Better late than never, I guess. 🙂

    • Garym


  • Landscaper

    Watched the game, could not believe the end. The lock-out refs…. fire their asses. Cull from college cream of crop and lets play ball. Enough. Can’t even football get it right. Screw me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 911Infidel

    Roger Goodell is such an a$$. What the real refs are asking for is chump change. Lets get the rent-a-refs out of there.Already you got one coach grabbing a ref and one assistant coach throwning some papers at them. Its only a matter of time before they get hit with something a whole lot worse than paper…

  • A_Truism

    LOL! This thread is hilarious.

    Where I live, Rugby is the major sport and when someone says “football”, we think Soccer. But you guys/gals are far more lenient on bad officiating. You don’t want to mess up when our teams play, haha. We never forget 😛

    • A_Truism

      Never mind…Just been to Twitchy. Everyone is the same, hahahaha…

    • kong1967

      I never could get into Rugby.

      • colliemum

        Why not?

        This is not a snarky question – I’d really like to know.

        • kong1967

          Well, it’s not so much the sport itself. There’s not much opportunity to see it over here in the states on television, and when I occasionally do I don’t know the rules. It’s very difficult to get into a game when you don’t understand what the goal is or what the rules are.

          If there was more support for it here I’m sure I would learn the game and love it.

          • colliemum

            That’s understandable. One can’t learn abut a game,never mind love it, when there’s no way one can play it or watch it, never mind finding a team to support.
            The goal is simple: carry the oval ball across the opposite try-line and touch it down (with force). There’s one law (rugby, for some weird English customs hasn’t got ‘rules’ but ‘laws’): the ball must not be passed forward. After that, thigns get complicated …
            Oh – the refs for rugby are also afflicted with blindness, stupidity, and all sorts of bias!

            • kong1967

              Similar to American football. We all get some contact sports to watch. 🙂

              • colliemum

                Yep – great contact sport, no prisoners taken, football and rugby being similar but slightly different. I really must try and watch some of your football games, I have no idea if there’s as much skulduggery going on between players when the ref isn’t looking!

                Rugby has been tamed down, sadly. Used to be that absolutely no replacements were allowed. If a player had to be carried off the pitch – tough luck, play on. Now they even have to come off when there’s a bit of blood … Ah well, good old days when men were men, aye …

                • kong1967

                  Well, nowadays you have to take them off the field if there’s blood because of health reasons…HIV.

    • colliemum

      Too right, a_truism!
      Mind – we should tell the guys and gals that it’s us, the fans, who get to stick our knives into the refs. The players are true gentlemen and take what the ref says. They know that arguing with the ref means ten in the sin bin.

      As to this fascinating video clip: in rugby, this would have been crystal clear even to the blindest ref: attacker doesn’t touch the ball down, ball held up – play on. No argument.

      Note to self: must try and watch some NFL games …

  • CalCoolidge

    I have seen the regular refs blow replay calls, too. Hardly the first time something like this happened.

    • kong1967

      True, but the bad calls were extensive. During the Chiefs game there were 5 overturned calls, and some of them were inconclusive and I couldn’t figure out why they were reversed.

  • Rshill7

    C’mon man!

    • WI4Walker

      No kidding. Will be everybody’s “C’mon Man” next week.

  • kong1967

    Pretty bad, but I don’t blame them. I blame the refs that went on strike. I’m all for someone making as much as they can, but I never like a strike…for sports or for business. Every time the NFL or any other sport gets mass increases we pay for it on our end. Commercials get played more, cable costs more, it costs more to get into the games, and the advertising makes the products we buy more expensive. Sooner or later the fans are gonna decide they can’t afford to watch.

    “I have to pay how much a month for cable t.v. to watch football? $350?”

    Ok, maybe that’s a tiny exaggeration, lol, but I made my point.

    I know the following reference isn’t professional, but I’m just making a point. At one time I could watch all of my KU college basketball games, or most of them, on one channel. Then they started separating the games on different channels for the same network and you had to subscribe to each individual channel. I was pi$$ed. The day might come when their greed outweighs the ability of the market to pay for them and they will find themselves on an assembly line making $10 an hour.


    The real issue here is not the initial mistake, but the fact that they had video replay available and even after going and looking under the hood, came back with the same conclusion. Shut the front door, this is just crazy. This kind of reminds me of the DOJ and how they do things. Too many bad calls to list here.

  • Rocco11

    Obama socialism at its finest. These refs deserve a “fair shot,” don’t they?

    • MiketheMarine

      That’s right. Starting this year, regardless of who wins the Superbowl, all replacement refs will receive their very own Lombardi trophy in the name of “Fairness!”

  • Nukeman60

    If you watch closely, at the 1:30 mark, Tate’s left hand is between Jennings chest and the ball. Then Jennings closes both his arms around the ball while Tate wraps his right arm around the ball and Jennings right arm. Does this constitute ‘simultaneous possession’? I don’t know.

    All I know is Obama is putting out an executive order tomorrow to address this issue. He will state that “In the event of an assumption of ‘simultaneous possession’, the ball goes to the black player (or any other minority deemed worthy of redistribution). Should both players be black (as in this case), then the ball goes to whatever uniform is darker. Should both uniforms be of the same darkness, then the ball goes to the Seattle player (since Washington State is voting for me and Wisconsin can go suck eggs).”

    End of edict.

    • Landscaper

      nuke, if you don’t have an article published somewhere in the dead tree media you should. you are mark twain and warped at the same time.

      • warpmine

        Did someone call my name?

    • RosiesSeeingRed


    • MiketheMarine

      That is how I saw it. A tie in a catch always goes to the receiver. The wrestling around later was after the play was dead.

  • Obama should have a “beer summit” to iron this out.

  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    LOL! I hate the NFL. Serves ’em right.

  • AmyInWI(formerly just Amy..)

    There are some really unhappy Cheeseheads here today…

  • Sober_Thinking

    I’m a Seahawks fan. I want them to win… but they lost last night. I watched it over and over and there’s no denying it… they lost.

    They say a “W” is a “W”… but this “W” looks a lot like an “L”. What a shame.

    • Landscaper

      Two refs making two different calls and both on the spot. GB clearly had possession.

  • Garym

    Bottom line, Jennings should have batted that ball behind him and left no doubt. He went for the interception and gave Tate a chance. His fault.

    • MiketheMarine

      Yep, volleyball slam that pig skin to the ground. Then there is no question.

  • David Boyes

    Politics is a LOT like football … good quote Hume !!
    Brit Hume

    Replacement refs doing the best they can. That’s the problem. Sort of like President Obama.

  • aposematic

    Welcome to the new American reality: Everything upside down; now even our sports!

  • maynardb50

    ….And, they need to bring back Hank Williams Jr. to sing the intro!

  • MiketheMarine

    I did not see it live but after watching the replay of this, I am of the opinion that the cath was a tie and the tie goes to the receiver. Therefore, Touchdown. Just because the GB player wrestled the ball away means nothing, the play was dead as soon as the hit the ground and started fighting over the ball. The replacement refs suck, but I think they got that call right.

    • the greenbay pack player caught the ball and the seattle player tried to take it from gb. if you had watched it live, you would have seen what happened. gb player had the ball against his body. one of the replacement refs called it td for seattle bu the other ref called it a touchback.

  • I’m still ticked over this.

  • GetWhatYouPayFor

    Green Bay got “JACKED UP”!!!

  • AmyInWI(formerly just Amy..)

    GAAAAHHHHH!!!! I hate Associated Press!! They are reporting that Governor Scott Walker is calling for the return of UNION refs to the NFL. Of course they emphasize UNION and you can almost hear them sneer through the radio. Of course, that’s not what the Governor said, but hey, it’s the press & they can say whatever they want, cuz, hey, we’re the press!!!

    ugh… sorry about the rant. Just really tired of so called MSM.

    • GetWhatYouPayFor

      MSNBC will have a field day with “Scott Walker Union Buster” tonight.

      • AmyInWI(formerly just Amy..)

        Oh, I am sure of it… Because there is nothing else pressing going on in the world right now. I love football, but the attention a striking team or referee’s union gets is just insane.

    • WI4Walker

      Oh head over to if you want to see some screwed up leftists piling on Walker. Batshit crazies they are.

      • AmyInWI(formerly just Amy..)

        I think I better stay away from Twitchy today… LOL My blood pressure can’t handle it. Twitter is like the Lord of the Flies of the internet. There are some seriously messed up tweeters out there.

  • sjmom

    First, would someone please tell me what the LFL is?

    I did not watch the game but my husband did and said it was a bad call. Saw the replay and agree.

    RS, I thought of the comparison of politics to football as well because the NFL is now so politically correct.

  • PapaLouie

    If the replacement refs had made the opposite call, it would still be a big controversy. People act like there were never any controversies in the past with the regular refs. In this case, they could make the call easier by changing the rules to allow them to fight to the death (or until one gains sole possession of the football.) That might add some excitement to the game…


    I don’t believe anyone who says they are from Seattle and feel bad cause they know we lost. Anyone who is a real Seattle fan is saying Thank God we finally get a break and have horrible officiating go our way!