Teacher defends Christian students who walked out after being berated by anti-bullying speaker Dan Savage

Turns out Dan Savage is a complete jerk, and that’s me being nice. Fox and Friends had on Rick Tuttle, the teacher of the students who walked out in protest of Dan Savage’s anti-Christian message, who said that he, on behalf of all his students, was offended that he was duped into bringing his students to a seminar that turn out to be little more than a profanity-laced anti-Christian bash-fest. The bullied has effectively become the bully. Tuttle said that it’s his job to protect all of his students from bullying and was more than willing to grant his students leave of the offensive seminar.

After the students leave, Savage, mocks the Christian students as ‘pansy-ass’ for not being able to handle someone who is ‘pushing back’. Tuttle hits back at that characterization, saying that his students did exactly what they are taught to do when bullied, which is to walk away. He said his students showed courage for leaving.

Watch the interview below:

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  • Thats ok, He can say that. Hes a comedian.

    • NYGino

      Right. Just like Bill Maher can say the vilest things, because he is a comedian. BTW, I thought comedians were supposed to make you laugh? I see lots more humor on TRS than from these lowlife, so-called comedians.

      • RighteousCrow_JustCaws

        “…lots more humor on TRS…”
        Yes, and intelligent humor!

        The kids who were cheering upset me more than the jerk at the mic.

        • NYGino

          He’s pandering to juvenile schoolyard humor. Shows the level of his intelligence.

        • maynardb50

          Kids who were cheering apparently have been successfully brainwashed. How sad indeed.

      • Colonel Neville

        I do believe the comment by AmericanborninCanada was being sarcastic and is in agreement with you.

  • bjohnson55

    Once the word Homosexual or Faggot or Queer is spoken the conversation is owned from that point forward by the afore mentioned. So now that I said those words no sense in saying anything else because the perverted heads are already spinning 360 degrees spewing forth green pea soup and yelling profanities.

    • NJK

      Personally, because of their bullying and pc, I think we as a society need to go back to calling them, Faggot or Queer. They need to be taught a lesson. I call them the gay mafia. They are nothing but perverted bullies, trying to make everyone think the way they do. I’m sick of it. I don’t give a darn what anyone does in their private life, but don’t go around flaunting your sexual preference in public, and try to force everyone to believe as you do. No one has to like you, or agree with you. That’s life.

  • wodiej

    Teaching anti bullying by bullying and being coarse, vulgar and offensive to Christians. Another liberal exposed for hypocrisy-imagine that.

  • rls77

    I have been an educator for 34 years. I have seen many companies put together these assembly programs and make much money from them. It was “just say no” then “Students against Driving Drunk” and now “make bullying extinct”. It is the latest cure-all for the latest fad coming down the pike. Most are well intentioned but a few people make money and not much changes.
    That being said, this guy is an idiot.

    • If he’s an idiot, what does it say about the people who hired him? But he’s so much more, and it’s all bad. He’s bitter, unhappy, unforgiving, and has not accepted his own homosexuality.

  • Rshill7

    Definition of HYPOCRISY

    1: A feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion. (Merriam-Webster)

    I heartily applaud those students who left this scene of bullying. The anti-bullying crier, demonstrates firsthand how bullying works, by acting like one himself. Very effective.

    What’s his name? Savage is it? Appropriate nomenclature if ever there was. Have we the perfect portrait of the left here with this guy’s words and deeds? Sure. It’s a microcosm of that side. Is he scheduled to give this same talk to CAIR? How about any Mosque in any location? I guess it’s qiute a bit safer for a bully to bully a group of High School kids, along with those parents who’ve tried to raise decent kids in an indecent world.

    We watched “Waiting for Superman” last night, finally. There wasn’t a dry eye in the house. Of course it was only my wife and I. Our nations public school children, rich and poor alike, are imprisoned, mentally, spiritually and physically by our public schools and teacher unions. It’s incorporated insanity on expresso and steroids. Institutionalized failure. What is our nation doing about it? Making it even worse. Many words can describe these unfortunate facts. Pathetic, is one that seems tailor made.

    • Arrrggghhh

      That was an incredibly powerful documentary. Along with I.O.U.S.A., it is a must see.

      I’d love to see a man like Geoffrey Canada be the Secretary of Education. If we don’t break the teacher’s unions and empower great teachers, we’re doomed to fail as a country.

      • Rshill7


  • stage9

    I know this is long, but please indulge me…

    This whole idea of “bullying” goes much deeper than you think.

    “Safety” in the context of the h o m o s e x u a l agenda helps to paint the h o m o s e x u a l as a victim who is being t o r m e n t e d and abused, h a r r a s s e d and maligned. And the word “safety” was purposefully chosen for its soft tone as a counterbalance to the nasty picture people have of h o m o s e x u a l i t y.

    When h o mo s e x u a l s were fighting to bring the h o m o s e x u a l agenda into the school system in MA they immediately jumped on the word “safety” as a preemptive measure to silence opposition. “Anti-bullying” is the umbrella curriculum.

    In 1995, in his speech, “Winning the Culture War,” GLSEN Executive Director Kevin Jennings (yes, THAT Kevin Jennings, Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar”) recalled how he used the word “safety” as a theme to deceive the Massachusetts governor and the state legislature into adopting the h o m o s e x u a l agenda.

    He made these sobering comments:

    “If the Radical Right can succeed in portraying us as preying on children, we will lose. Their language–‘promoting h o m o s e x u a l i t y’ is one example–is laced with subtle and notsosubtle innuendo that we are ‘after their kids.’ We must learn from the abortion struggle, where the clever claiming of the term ‘pro-life’ allowed those who opposed abortion on demand to frame the issue to their advantage, to make sure that we do not allow ourselves to be painted into a corner before the debate even begins.

    “In Massachusetts the effective reframing of this issue was the key to the success of the Governor’s Commission on G a y and L e s b i a n Youth. We immediately seized upon the opponent’s calling card–safety–and explained how h o m o p h o b i a represents a threat to students’ safety by creating a climate where violence, name-calling, health problems, and s u i c i d e are common. Titling our report ‘Making Schools Safe for G a y and L e s b i a n Youth,’ we automatically threw our opponents onto the defensive and stole their best line of attack. This framing shortcircuited their arguments and left them backpedaling from day one.”

    “Finding the effective frame for your community is the key to victory. It must be linked to universal values that everyone in the community has in common. In Massachusetts, no one could speak up against our frame and say, ‘Why, yes, I do think students should k i l l themselves.’ This allowed us to set the terms for the debate.”

    “In Massachusetts, we made creating an environment where youth could speak out our number one priority. We know that, confronted with real-live stories of youth who had suffered from h o m o p h o b i a, our opponents would have to attack people who had been victimized once, which put them in a bully position from which it would be hard to emerge looking good. More importantly, we made sure these youth met with elected officials so that, the next time these officials had to vote on something, there would be a specific face and story attached to the issue. We wanted them to have an actual kid in mind when they had to cast their votes. We won the vote in the Senate 33-7 as a result.”

    Anyone who doesn’t think that we’re in a culture war for the soul of America is highly naive at best. The threat of secularism and cultural depravity as a manipulative ideology is set against the American ideal and is acting like a cancer–eating away at our morals, values, and our very way of life. This isn’t about homosexual “rights”. It’s about forced homosexual acceptance.

    • The book of JUDE: Clearly about heaven or hell.
      They may win on earth for the short term serving their father who is Satan, but for those who do such, their is the the rewards of Sodom and Gomorrah.
      Teach Your Childern the way they should good that you may have peace in the latter years.

      In the masters service

  • NYGino

    Wish the captions spelled out his full name, Dan Savage, rather than just Savage. Would lead people to believe this was a piece on Michael Savage.

    • or Fred Savage?

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Or Randy ‘Macho Man’ Savage?

    • stevenbiot

      I love Michael Savage. I’m gonna get his new book after finals.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Or the Green Lantern character, Vandal Savage!

  • Maxsteele

    Really??? People do not know that Dan Savage is a militant gay rights activist that hates all things even remotely against gays. After the smear campaign that he has launched against Rick Santorum for over 6-7 years and the ridiculous stuff he has had in his columns for years. This is no mystery folks and even quickest google search of this guy will show you what he is about. Bashing heterosexuals, religion, and straight white males especially.
    Right now there is a war on men in this country along with the war against religion. At every turn media, hollywood, is tearing about the male archetype and trying to replace it with this immasculated, efemminate psuedo-male.

    • stevenbiot

      Some of us still love the opposite sex very, very, very much, hunting, and whipping the occasional as$.

  • Shameful, the bully being a bully.

  • stevenbiot

    Dan Savage loves peni$. Enough said.

  • W.

    UPDATE ON VANDERBILT – “Vanderbilt Forbids “Personal Commitment to Jesus” in Student Group’s Bylaws”

    Indiscrimination had become discrimination.

    This is tyranny, intolerance, bigotry.

  • Dan Savage is a pitiful little person who uses his position as an antibullying advocate to bully others. But yes, we are now in a society where everyone must be tolerated, must be accepted, must not be harrassed or bullied….except for those Christians who actually believe in the Bible. These kids who walked out made me proud. Good for them.

    • Rshill7

      Right. Don’t you think Christians who believe in a Holy God would like for those who engage in what The Holy Bible says is sinful, do so to help them avoid the final judgement which could very well condemn their souls to Hell for eternity? Isn’t that intent an honorable one? A potentially helpful one? Christians and Christianity itself, seeks to help and save others.

      What is the intent of militant leftists toward Christians? Do they do what they to to save Christians? To help Christians? It seems to me that what Christians do is selfless and what leftists do in response is pure selfishness. Christians try to help them while leftists attampet to advance and insulate their own lifestyle choices. Big difference.

      Selfishness versus Selflessness. No contest? No contest.

      • Well said myRshill. You summed that up perfectly, we do what we do because of love, they do what they do because they hate the fact that we do it out of love, and they hate the fact that they know we’re speaking the truth- but they’d rather continue to love the darkness. Sad.

        • Even more well said AmericanborninCanada, lets just make sure we all live up to being all that (loving and truthful etc.) or else we’ll be the hypocrites. I think the best thing to remember is that we not pursecute ppl for being wrong, instead, as cliche as it may sound, pray for them that hate you and love them all the same.

  • What troubled me the most were those other kids cheering as the kids were walking out and Savage was calling them names. I can’t begin to understand how you stop bullying by bullying other people. Worse, Savage was encouraging this sort of behavior. Just shows you that liberals can tolerate anything except people who disagree with them. Then they should be destroyed, or at least made fun of. Disgusting. The school that had to pay for this “lecture” should not only demand their money back, but actually get the company that hired Savage to force Savage to apologize to these kids. I’m sure this will be on the O’Reilly Factor tonight, as well it should.

    • Perhaps we ought to demand Savage attend Biblical Christian sensitivity training? :-/

  • demsaresatanic

    Dan used to be my next-door neighbor when I lived in Seattle. He is not these terrible things I read. Trust me, he is kind, civil, and respectful. People who know now from whence they speak should just shut the heck up!

    • Rshill7

      Should we believe you or our lying eyes and ears sir? We will not shut up regardless of how much the other side demands it. Free speech will flow both ways or it will not flow at all. Dan Savage would also like us to “shut the heck up”. Here’s my personal answer to that request.

      No. Not ever.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      You need better neighbors. And better manners.

    • Really? THIS is what you would call civil, kind and respectful???

      “I wish all Republicans were fucking DEAD”….Dan Savage, July 2011

      He said that on cable television program. He wishes ALL Republicans were dead. He is proud that he created an entire website and google campaign to smear a politician with the most vile, filthy language imaginable just because that person happens to disagree with Savage’s own political positions.
      If you are kind and civil to ONLY those who either agree with you or keep their mouths shut, it DOESN’T COUNT.

    • I have a feeling that there are a few closet cases on here (rshill for one) that are really REALLY testy when these things come up

      • stevenbiot

        “When things come up.” That’s what she said.

      • 3seven77

        I’m sorry. Perhaps I’m dense but I didn’t get the point of your comment. Could you explain what you’re talking about? Perhaps define what you mean by “Closet cases”? Closet cases of what?

    • stevenbiot

      When you say that he was your next door neighbor, are you implying that he borrowed sugar and milk from you? Do you love him? Yes or No?

    • Says the same thing a neighbor of a serial killer and your point is what?

      • 3seven77

        Yep. Rober Lee Yates own family thought he was a really nice guy. They had no idea he was a serial killer.

  • Many of you on here posting are making HIS POINTS relevant! Calling gays queers faggots etc and making hateful remarks about ALL gays just serves to further this shit. All of the men and women on both sides that spew this nonsense need to grow up.

    • Rshill7

      Nice selective outrage comrade.

      • I would take the time to point out the unbelievable hypocrisy that you and others show on this site time and again but I have to go to work like a big boy

        • Rshill7

          That’s ok big boy. I’ll have the reuben on rye please. No, I don’t want fries with that. Some onion rings and some thousand island dressing would be cool though as a dipper, and some iced tea.

          Feel free to point out the hypocrisy whenever you can big boy brian burlingame. We’ve already pointed out the hypocrisy of Savage, and to a lesser degree, yours. You and he do not make strange bedfellows. Take pride in that.

          • Well why don’t you post your name on here if you are so brave? I think guys like you are just cowards who hide behind their computer screen all day long. I actually have never worked in the food industry but I would never deride those who do. Keep turning the other cheek, just as God asked you too…

            • Rshill7

              Is it a question of bravery? Should I put my family’s address on here as well? Should I also invite the occupy crowd, the unions and the left in it’s entirety to join us for dinner? Do you not know why highly visible conservatives hire fulltime bodyguards? Should I put a target on my house?

              You see I know the left quite well. There are no rules for them other than the rules for radicals, a book dedicated to satan himself by it’s author. They have no restraining influences in their lives, thus, “Thou shalt not murder” holds no weight or sway with them. The end justifies the means.

              If bravery means lying down in the middle of a Nascar track during a race, then wisdom, not bravery dictates that I refrain from that. Now if you personally would like to hurt me, we can arrange a private meeting. Mmmkay? I’d be ok with that 🙂

              • Who said anything about hurting here? Again, you are painting yourself to be a coward who makes cheap shots from a computer. I guarantee that you are the type of “man” who would never say this type of crap to someone’s face… private meeting?? Hmmmm maybe you should amend that before someone takes that as a threat…

                • E. Lee Zimmerman

                  Awww. You’ve gone and proven yourself a troll, now.

                  What’s that about not supporting Savage’s tactics again?

                • I am sorry, but you are a complete and blithering idiot. I would call you an imbecile but I am afraid you would have a stroke trying to look it up…

                • stevenbiot

                  Is that your education surfacing again, Brian? Please, go on.

                • Rshill7

                  Naaa, anyone reading it would simply consider the source and flush it. Twice.

                • sigh… gonna need to call a plumber

                • E. Lee Zimmerman

                  So long as you spell it right, I can copy & paste just fine.

                • Galatiansch2vs20

                  flagged for personal attack on someone, which is against Right Scoop’s rules.

                • E. Lee Zimmerman

                  Meh. One man’s attack is another man’s burling game, you know.

                • KenInMontana

                  After reading the through the thread, it should look like a lawn being prepped for a sprinkler system or a 90 hole golf course. All things being given equal consideration.

                • Galatiansch2vs20

                  Hope you will edit out all vicious personal attacks. Noticed the particular one I mentioned flagging (not only one I flagged) had quite a bit of deriding and had name calling.

                • KenInMontana

                  Seems to me it is flying in both directions, although I have yet to see anything I would categorize as “vicious”.

                • Galatiansch2vs20

                  I felt the one I posted a message of flagged was rather, but you are the moderator. :0)

                • Rshill7

                  Huh? You want me to put my full name on here. Why? It doesn’t matter to me whether folks put their names on here or not. I like my privacy. The left tends to be violent and quite desirous of shutting people up who disagree with them. The right is perfectly happy to debate them, much as I am perfectly happy to debate you.

                  Granted, engaging in a battle of wits with an unarmed man is kinda’ boring. But it’s a burden I’m willing deal with right here with you. Either your ideas can withstand that or they can’t. The foolishness of the left should not go unchallenged. If you’re on the left, feel free to fill those shoes dude.

                  The only people I’ve ever physically hurt was in self-defense. Those I hurt the worst were bullies in need of a life lesson. They were also much bigger and dumber than I.
                  They didn’t bother me after that. They didn’t look the same either. I have no desire to hurt anyone. My desire is to pass along common wisdom and attempt to put the brakes on common foolishness.

                  The only thing I’ll threaten you with is “truth, justice, and the American way…up, up and awaaaaaaay!”

        • williamm

          This is about his attack on our religion, not about him being gay. I’m surprised a big boy like you can’t see that. I hope the work you are going to doesn’t require the ability to think.

          • So attacking your religion is off limits (free speech) but attacking gays and anyone said religion disagrees with is? These kids had the right to walk away and they did. Good for them. I DO NOT agree with Savage’s tactic however, that said, many gay students in schools do not have that same opportunity. Live and let live. They Christians should keep to them selves as should the militant gays.

            • sorry lots of typos I am in a hurry and YES I do have to think on the job… a few degrees and a high salary sort of demand that

              • E. Lee Zimmerman

                Really? You gotta have a degree for Arby’s these days?

                • Really, I want to know why you have a problem with people who work in the food industry? I am serious. Are you so uncomfortable with people who work fast food that you have to use them to slam people? At least they are working… What do you do??? I do not work with food and I never have. I have a great job that pays 5 times minimum wage per hour. I worked hard to get it and I work hard to keep it.

                • E. Lee Zimmerman

                  Who said I have any problem with people working in the food service? Again, you try to malign people by inferring something that clearly wasn’t implied. What I said was that I was surprised to learn that Arby’s required a college degree.

            • williamm

              I am not anti-igay and have never bashed anyone that is gay. I am against anyone that attacks my religion whether they are gay or straight. I am against this a-hole for other reasons also. This kind, civil, and respectful POS saIid this.

              Dan Savage: ‘I Wish [Republicans] Were All F–king Dead’

              Sure sounds kind, civil, and respectful to me

            • Love the argument from the left here. We have the right to attack your beliefs but keep your hands away from my choice of practicing my sexuality as I see fit.

              Then, slightly distance yourself from what happen since it is public than agree with it in theory. Love it.

            • E. Lee Zimmerman

              Sure, you don’t agree with Savage’s tactics. Sure, you don’t. You clearly have no problem with anyone attacking religion, but … wait a minute! Attacking homosexuals for what they believe? That ain’t right!

              Sure, you don’t agree with Savage’s tactics. Sure, you don’t.

              Unfortunately, the militant gays appear utterly incapable of keeping to themselves.

          • wodiej

            could have fooled me. Many comments about gays when the point should be his attack on Christians.

        • Accuse then leave, that is the way to go about things. Attack a person’s integrity with no evidence and then go about claiming not to have the time. If you were so deeply disturbed by this, time would be irrelevant. Or better yet, you could have responded when you did have time, if you did desire dialogue.

          But, that was not in the cards was it?

          • E. Lee Zimmerman

            Typical Liberal tactic.

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          Well, you appear to be many things. A ‘big boy’ ain’t one of ’em.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      I’ve read the whole thread. I don’t see anyone using the names you claim they are. Methinks it’s you who oughta grow up.

      • Hmmmm do you read this site often??? ANY TIME gay related threads come around the fire and brimstone meme comes up…

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          I would think that a coward and a liar would have the decency to own up to his or her cowardice and/or his or her lies when caught red-handed. To persist with a falsehood once proven wrong only further indicts the integrity of that person and demonstrates an inability to accept facts when presented with them.

          To further obfuscate the matter by now pushing a new meme (i.e. “fire & brimstone” vs. “using divisive language”) makes you no better than those you seek to indict. The fact of THAT matter is that many people who have some “bias” against homosexuality (not homosexuals, per se) take that position due to their personal convictions. When you indict a person for their beliefs, YOU are engaging in the very bigotry you seek to denounce, and, sadly, you can’t have it both ways AND still appear credible. Now, in your defense, there’s nothing wrong with your having a problem with their religion … but what you’re trying to do is smear individuals, and that ain’t kosher.

          And, yes, for the record, you can check my profile to find out how often DAILY I’m here, and, yes, you can see that I read many, many threads … even many that don’t interest me all that personally precisely because I try to understand the people I engage in effective dialogue. Unlike you and many others, I may not be very nuanced (I try to call ’em like I see ’em), but I always try to remain civil because that’s how my mom raised me. No, I’m not above called someone a ‘dirtbag’ but I take great pride in keeping my snarkyness relatively respectful.

          You wanna indict the whole site? Fine … then here’s a tip: read and post elsewhere. Your profile indicates you’re not here all that much. Maybe your “observations” wouldn’t be all that missed. Besides, I’m sure there are other websites who would appreciate what you have to offer. God knows, there’s plenty of ’em out there.

          For the record, no, I’m not calling you a coward or a liar. That’s beneath me. I’m just explaining my position on the matter.

          • E Lee how are you today? I hope it is going well for you! To your point, my original post was not off the mark at all. It was a valid point. Did anyone jump on the guy saying crap? No. Did nearly everyone on this thread jump all over me? Yes. I fail to see how raising a very valid point about treating others with decency is worthy of the vitriol spewed in my direction. Here is my first post…

            Many of you on here posting are making HIS POINTS relevant! Calling gays queers faggots etc and making hateful remarks about ALL gays just serves to further this shit. All of the men and women on both sides that spew this nonsense need to grow up.

            Now, you tell me how calling people out on jumping on the gays are terrible band wagon all the while decrying the Christian “bashing” is not a valid point to make? My POINT was that BOTH sides need to knock it off. For that, I got taken to the wood shed by about a dozen of you. My point, proven.

            • E. Lee Zimmerman

              Again, you make baseless accusations with no back-up.

              What people here have a legitimate gripe with Savage’s tactics, not “Savage the homosexual.” To point at them for pointing out Savage’s ire is pure trollish drivel, and you ought to know better.

              Look, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt: if you have as many degrees as you say you have, then you’d understand the point I’m making. As you don’t, would it be proper for me to call your degrees into question? No. That’d be small and petty. If you’re so superior to all of the folks you’re trying to trash, then why are you here trying to trash them?

              You’re an adult. Act like one. Otherwise, find another board.

    • You are full of it. You say “many of you on here”…I see ONE. ONE comment using those words, and they are NOT directed at anyone, no one is “calling” gays any of those names, but merely pointing the impact using those words has on a discussion. That ONE commenter has used those words in the exact same way YOU have. (You make two, two people who have used those “hateful remarks”. Hope you are happy with yourself!)

      • ok Kim thank for that… moving on

      • Now that I have some time, Kim (may I call you Kim?) what on earth are you talking about? How am I full of it? How did I start using homophobic language? I am really not at all sure of what you are speaking of… especially given how this thread has played out. If anything, it seems that I was quite correct.

    • stevenbiot

      Nobody on this site is berating you for being gay, Brian.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        EZ, stevenbiot. We stand with you. This is coming from a guy who has 18 posts on this website (most of them in this thread). He’s clearly here with an agenda.

        • stevenbiot

          He’s got a good job and many degrees. Be careful! He’s extremely smart. Haha!

          • It makes me sad to read things like this… No agenda here but raising a valid point. I have a great job and degrees, yes. Is that a point of derision now as well? Where did it become fashionable in this society to mock the educated? Food for thought I suppose…

            • stevenbiot

              I’m graduating Med school after this semester. So don’t whine to me about an education or a good job. You just wanted to make your education and your amassed degrees an issue; so, I helped you out. Why did you tell everyone that you are gay? We don’t care. Are we supposed to think that your commentary has more substance because you are gay, conservative and a christian? I could care less if you are any of those. I think you are pompous, came here with an agenda, and got pounced on, pardon the pun, like a cat on a ball of yarn.

              • good for you!! I rather doubt that but good for you…

                • stevenbiot

                  I’m blushing right now!

            • E. Lee Zimmerman

              Erm … you’re now seriously trying to peddle that Showbama doesn’t mock the educated? Al Gore doesn’t mock the educated? Really?

    • Josh

      Praying for you, whether you like it or not.

      Christians are not Christ. We are flawed and broken and sinners who hurt people’s feelings and make mistakes sometimes. However, it is the heart that matters. No Christian should ever hate someone because of their actions. If they do, they are not showing the same love that Christ has shown them. I, personally, have messed up. I have judged. But, I am human.

      I think this is a valid point to consider, though: When have you ever seen an angry mob of Christians flipping over police cars and busting out windows? If you are homosexual, or know someone who is, tell me the truth… would you rather declare your preference in a church or a mosque? So, don’t give me any of that “crusades” crap or “more people killed in the name of Jesus” garbage that the left just loves to spew.

      I don’t have the figures, but I would stake my life that more lives have been saved because of Christianity than for any other religion that has ever existed.

      • Did you not read my original post? Read it, then read everyone’s replies, and tell me that I am off the mark. I have nothing against Christianity, I am one. I just find the behaviors exhibited by many on this site to be repugnant. Thank you for your prayers and you are in mine as well. Peace unto you

        • stevenbiot

          If I find the behaviors of people on a site “repugnant,” I don’t visit them. I guess you need another degree to understand that concept.

    • Interesting, I haven’t seen Rshill use any of those words. I had gay friends back home that used those words more than I’ve ever heard a straight person say them. To me, gay still means happy, queer means strange, faggot means a bundle of wood.

  • Akabosan

    The law of unintended consequences… The speaker at the conference was pushing an agenda to the age group which other than gray panthers is most likely to push back. Tee Hee.


  • Sober_Thinking

    Gay, liberal, foul-mouthed, intolerant… why are we surprised? This guy is a bad piece of work… let God deal with him.

    I applaud the brave children who left this idiot. I applaud even more, the teacher who defended them. And I appreciate this getting air time. It’s becoming open season on Christians… just like the bible said it would be.

  • So the christians left the room after listening to the anti-christian secular humanism jerk.
    The christians did ask they should have , they turned the other chick and more than likely said a quite prayer for him that his may be saved.
    excellence in matters of manners and respect.
    I know we know their master….Jesus.
    Sodom and gomorrah found their riches in sexual pleasures, perversions as we see today, and so they are examples liftied up to show the world their rewards that are eternal for those who practice such unnatrual behavior.
    The Book Of JUDE, Jude spoke of those that unaturally burn after the flesh and their destruction by the Living God Jehovah.

    There are no non-believers in hell.
    Impeach Obama, Youtube Larry Sinclair, see and hear truth.

  • d1carter

    The NSPA should be held responsible for this jerk’s performance. Parents of these students should demand that their schools disassociate with such an organization.

    • Rshill7

      Right. Anti-Christian bigotry trumps any gay bigotry out there. Bigotry in general is a nebulous pick and choose thing. Bigotry towards traditional values and Christianity is cool. Anti-semitism is also increasingly cool. Is that the new fair? The new “tolerance”?

      So, bigotry and bullying is actually peachy keen as long as it is properly directed.
      Do unto others, thereby drowning out what they might do to you? I just never hear about gangs of Christians running around hurting anybody. Why then are they the targets of so much mistreatment and hurt? They are hated all day long all over the world.

      Must you, in having your freedom, destroy theirs? That seems inconsiderate, to say the least. Try this bullies: Live and let live. Vote your conscience. Christians will do the same.

      • I just never hear about gangs of Christians running around hurting anybody. Why then are they the targets of so much mistreatment and hurt?

        You make a very interesting point. It seems ‘gay agenda’ activists consider it a greater threat to be shown the Truth and the love of God than to being tortured and beaten to death by brutes.

  • Joe

    This guy is ANOTHER – SICK liberal

    He should be banned from any school

    Where is the MSM ?? — They must be as perverted as he is!

  • libertyandtyranny

    his man is an anti-Christian bigot. No surprise the Obamabots are supporting him. When it comes to homosexuality, In the spiritual view, homosexuals asserttheir personal desires (lusts) are superior to the intent of God. In an evolutionary view, homosexuality would not work through natural selection. It removes humanity in one generation, since the entire history of humanity is dependent on heterosexual unions.
    The human genome project has shown NO difference between homosexuals and heterosexual sex genes. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A CHOICE. And that choice is to act on one’s lusts and desires instead of God’s plan. How could anyone say, putting one’s sexual organs in a place designed for EXCREMENT is natural?
    Thus in both biological or spiritual views, homosexuality is a mental disorder orsin, a point of agreement between the secular and religious. Yet no one talks about this.
    There are all sorts of peoplewith emotional and mental problems, but no one seems to think they should bethe ones reordering society. But the homosexuals want to reorder society. As Christians, we don’t want to abandon them to their mental disorders, but they insist on doing so.
    The average age of death for gays is 44 years excluding AIDS. If you includeAIDS, it drops to 42. Thus AIDS is not even a significant cause of mortality.Homosexual behavior is far more deadly than cigarette smoking.
    Homosexual behavior is an integral part of disease transmission; >70% of allsexual diseases in heterosexuals are traced back a homosexual vector.
    Danish studies find the average gay “marriage” lasts 1.5 years. Of thesmall percentage that last more than 5 years, all included provisions formultiple partners.
    Gay marriage seems to be a mechanism to obtain access to social statusand benefits such as the obviously critical health care that is thecenter-piece of homosexual life.
    People can “declare their love” when they want but the POINT of MARRIAGEas far as the state is to create an obligation and the social atmosphereneeded to properly raise the future generation. The state’s interest. Gaymarriage is pretty irrelevant to everyone else.
    It seems like gays know this and want to create a society in which they cannotbe challenged for their behavior. But I don’t see any accomodation bysociety making them happy because their problem is internal and linked todisordered sexual impulses.

    • wodiej

      Your comment shows ignorance about gays at best. If promiscuity is related to mental illness, then all men are afflicted. Most of the problems in the world are due to men being in charge. Don’t like it you have only yourselves to thank. Irresponsible behavior by anyone will bring suffering.

      And who in the world would purposely choose to lead a gay life where a person is ridiculed, ostracized, rejected and judged daily? Unless you have walked in someone else’s shoes, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

      Oh, and the Bible also says “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” John 8:7

      • If promiscuity is related to mental illness, then all men are afflicted.

        Not all men are promiscuous, so that can’t possibly be true. In fact, in spite of what is portrayed on television, I think most men are not promiscuous.

        And who in the world would purposely choose to lead a gay life where a person is ridiculed, ostracized, rejected and judged daily?

        You have not described the “gay life”. What you saw in the video is far more commonly representative of our culture. Nevertheless, there is no logical basis for suggesting homosexual behavior is not a choice. Our bodies are a necessary component of our sexuality. The heterosexuality of human beings is an undeniable biological fact. If someone is unhappy with that fact, it cannot be rationally ignored that such a person is uncomfortable with his sexuality. Help is available, but the first step is to admit to having a problem. Whether or not homosexual behavior is sinful is an entirely different question (answered decisively by the Bible), but the physical, biological reality of the heterosexual nature of all human beings is irrefutable.

        Unless you have walked in someone else’s shoes, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

        Nonsense. I don’t need to light myself on fire in order to know with absolute certainty that it will hurt.

        Oh, and the Bible also says “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” John 8:7

        It also says, “bring the cloak that I left with Carpus at Troas”. 2 Timothy 4:13. Do you recommend obedience to this passage as well? Or perhaps the context is important. If so, then the context must also be important for John 8:7. I saw no indication that libertyandtyranny was suggesting that anyone should be stoned to death.

      • libertyandtyranny

        Oh, and the Bible also says “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” John 8:7
        You support Dan Savage, an anti-Christian, anti-bible bigot, yet you quote the bible to support your claims. Hard to believe. Homosexuality is a choice, and homosexuals choose to sin, instead of getting help. But that’s besides the point. Homosexuals have all the rights in the world-no one is stopping them from engaging in their immoral behavior. This is an anti-Christian bigot peddling his smut (he actually made some lewd remark about his lover in front of children) , and then makes horrible comments about the children who walked out, and you are crowing about intolerance? Give me a break! This man is a child! Promiscuity is one of the defining characteristics of the homosexual community. This is NOT true of heterosexuals, and wasn’t true of most America before the anti-Christian, secular humanist elites started changing the culture in the 1960’s with their pornography and marxist BS.

      • AllantheK

        John 8:7 Jesus said that to the Pharisees who were guilty of ADULTERY (towards GOD). It was not a general statement. You can use it that way if you want but that means that you can NEVER call sin SIN.

      • Watchman74

        “And who in the world would purposely choose to lead a gay life where a person is ridiculed, ostracized, rejected and judged daily? Unless you have walked in someone else’s shoes, you have no idea what you’re talking about.”

        There are some who do choose the gay lifestyle and are proud of it. I understand a person may not always choose to have “gay feelings”. The way I see it we are all born predisposed to some sins more than others, that’s why one person may have a drinking problem and someone else may not. But to actively engage in the gay lifestyle, and all the acts thereof, is certainly a choice just as much as choosing to get married.

        • For wodiej: Who would purposely choose to lead a life that mocks, ridicules, ostracizes, rejects and judges others on a daily basis, and does it in a lewd and disgusting way? Dan Savage does. This has nothing to do with his sexual behavior, it’s his public behavior that is foul, unkind and based on ill-will. Unless you have walked in the shoes of those victims attacked by this jerk, you have no idea what you’re talking about and no right to silence those standing up for the victims of his ranting hatred.

      • spot on

      • thank you for being a voice of reason on here btw!! kudos

        • GraceKnows

          There are plenty of voices of reason here. And compassion, respect, intelligence, understanding.

          • You are one of them, thank you. God Bless

            • stevenbiot

              I could care less who you marry, what religion you practice, as long as it isn’t Islam, and which idiot, who insulted children by the way, you support.

      • GraceKnows

        I have to ask you a question or two, wodiej. If it is a choice, why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? In the New Testament, Paul talks about men and women giving in to the “unnatural.”

        Romans 1:26-27 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

        You ask why someone would choose this lifestyle. I have a nephew who is gay. I love him. But I don’t believe he chose to be “gay.” I would ask, why would God make someone this way, and then condemn their behavior? It makes no sense.

        The verses above are extremely important. Please notice the words “natural” and “unnatural.”

        I’m not trying to start an argument here. You’re a good person. I just disagree with your characterization of homosexuality, as though God caused this. Sorry.

        • May I ask you a question? How do you feel about your gay nephew?

          • GraceKnows

            As I already stated (maybe you skipped over it?), I love my nephew. I also said I don’t judge. There is a difference.

            Question for you: Do you believe the Bible?

            • Then Grace, have you ever talked with him about how he feels being gay? Have you ever asked him if it is a choice? You say you love him on the one side and then say you believe that is a choice and therefore illegitimate. I am really truly not trying to be confrontational here.

              Do I believe the Bible was written by men with agendas? Absolutely, yes. If we take everything that has been written in the Bible at literal face value and acted on its creeds we would be in serious trouble. I believe that God is love and that relationships with him is deeply personal and not to be hashed in the public square. Just my two cents…

              • stage9

                What you “believe” is utterly irrelevant. Since when is the Gospel limited by your distorted view of reality? The Gospel is not up for your “review”! It is God breathed! Divinely inspired! and Holy Spirit ordained! Talk about the height of arrogance! Since when does the CREATION have the authority to dictate to the CREATOR what is morally acceptable?

                God is the moral lawgiver not immoral culture. not corrupt governments. not man!

                • My lord, REALLY?! THEN read it!!!!! If it was so divinely breathed then why all of the inaccuracies and inconsistencies etc… why are there DIRECT contradictions? I just don’t see how the argument for infallibility stands up if you ever actually READ the whole book.

                • stage9

                  This is a ludicrous talking point that has absolutely NO basis in fact whatsoever. I have heard this ridiculous charge so many times and have answered it ad nauseum that it’s silly.

                  Introduction to Bible Difficulties and Bible Contradictions

                • OH wow Stage9 thank you. Excellent. God Bless.

                • Watchman74

                  What contradictions are you speaking of? If you really believe the bible is so flawed why even call yourself a Christian at all?

                • Direct contradictions? That is a good one. Love to hear what these are. I am sure there must have been something missed by the hundreds of atheists who have tried this same argument and have failed. However, you may be one of the first.

              • Watchman74

                May I ask what you believe there agendas were? And why we would be in serious trouble it we took the Bible literally? Yes God is a God of love but he is also a judge.

                • Well… I could OWN you for one… and don’t give me this whole THE NEW TESTAMENT crap… if the New Testament cancels out all of the idiocy of the old then why not just scrap the first 2/3 of the Bible and just use the New? I could stone you, beat you, take many wives, women would be subjugated… it is all there.

                • Watchman74

                  You didn’t really answer my questions but to respond to your statements, with the New Testament came a new covenant and grace, the ritualistic and sacrifical laws of the Old Testament were done away with but the moral laws remain. And some things were specifically meant for the Jews at that time.

                  There’s also adultery, murder, and incest in the bible does that mean that God condoned it or that makes it okay to do? Of course not, its just telling the story of what happened.

              • GraceKnows

                My nephew lives in San Francisco. I see him at a large family gathering, once a year, at Christmas. We don’t get to talk much, and if we did, I doubt that I would ask him whether or not being gay was a choice.

                When he was about four, I used to drive him around in my VW through the countryside, and I taught him to say, “How now, brown cow?” – for the sake of silliness. Somewhere around that time he started calling me “Mary Ant” instead of Aunt Mary. It’s still a joke with us. He’s not only gay, he’s black/white mixed race. He’s also not the only gay person I’ve ever known. I’ve had a number of friends and co-workers over the years who were gay. Like anyone else in my sphere, I try to look for the best in people, period.

                We’re just trying to define a problem that we see with this character who came into this school conference, and then, very immaturely spewed a lot of anger at God, the Bible, who knows?

                I don’t know what to tell you regarding your less-than-wholesale belief in the Bible. I’m not certain of a lot, but if I take Jesus as my Savior, I believe He’ll show me the way. So, no, I don’t claim to have all the knowledge there is, but it’s hard to reconcile taking one part of the New Testament without the other, ascribing prejudice to those who wrote it. Maybe Jesus’ words alone contain what you believe? I really don’t know, so you would have to share that with me.

                Yes, we all need each others’ prayers.

                • Mary, you seem like a wonderful woman. Regardless of our thoughts on gays or the Bible etc… the world needs more like you!! I hope you have a wondrous day!!! Thank you for thoughtful and encouraging replies!!!!

              • Interesting, Grace asks a question. You rephrase the question to your own liking and then answer it. Why don’t you first answer the question? Take Grace in full context, for you know exactly what was being asked.

              • I think we’ve drifted a little, and I don’t know whether to leave this comment with you or someone else. Looking at things Biblically, homosexuality is not a sin in itself, but practicing or living a homosexual lifestyle is…. it is a sin just as any sexual sin. I believe it was Liberty in a statement above brought up promescuity. You would have to be a blind liar to deny that there is much promescuity in the homosexual community, but you know what, there’s sexual promescuity in the straight community too, and that is as wrong and sinful as homosexual promescuity.

                I don’t see that many of the folks here are gay bashing, as they are frustrated at the double standard and hypocrisy of a HOMOSEXUAL ANTI BULLYING ADVOCATE used his speech not only to bash Christians, but also mocked openly those who chose to walk out. Think about it Brian. The guy was doing the exact same thing that he and others, not necessarily just gays either, have been trying to speak out against.

                While many of us get to hear about people like westboro baptist church on a regular basis in the news, I have yet to hear this guy and others like him in the lamestream.

          • Gtrjag

            You claim to be a Christian, that’s great, yet you seem to be substituting your own version for what is right and wrong for what God says is right and wrong. The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin. That does not change just because society no longer accepts it.

            We all have sin in our lives and we all will continue to sin until we die or Christ returns, whichever one comes first. Just because a person sins does not mean they are unsaved. We are saved by grace through faith, not by our own good works. However, if you continue to live a sinful lifestyle without the conviction of the Holy Spirit you really need to question your salvation.

            What I or anybody else thinks of your lifestyle does not matter one bit. What does matters is What God thinks.

            • What God thinks is known only to Him…

              • Gtrjag

                He gave us his word so we will know what he thinks.

              • Rshill7

                No, there is book out about it. It’s the best selling book of all time. It is also quite plain. I’ve read it and it says that your lifestyle choice, yeah, choice, is an abomination. It is crystal clear on that. If you pick and choose which parts of it you want to believe, you are on the highway to Hell, whether you believe that part or not. Try disbelieving gravity and jump off the cliff of your choosing. If it’s high enough you will die. The wages of sin is the same. Your disbelief or belief is irrelevant here as well, just as it is with regards to Biblical law.

                Maybe you’ll get lucky and have the opportunity for a deathbed conversion. You will need to confess your sin and repent from it. If that sin includes homosexuality, then so be it, but it is nothing more or less than sin. You apparently think that societal views can change that? No they can’t, no more than they can change any of the laws of physics. It doesn’t matter which human you convince. Your soul’s destination is your problem, no one elses.

                You have no control over yourself and you want to blame God us and anyone else but yourself? Tough. It’s your fault, your activity, your behavior and your choices that will send you to Hell. Start dealing with it. Other people have other sins of their own to deal with. Gluttony is one many will have to deal with. The sin that clings to your soul though is yours and yours alone whether the entire world is for it or against it. Your huge problem is that God is against sin. He’s for you but against sin. If you cling to sin, your destination is assured. There’s much more to life than sex and what God calls sexual sin…with homosexuality, it is an abomination.

                Abomination is not a snowman. It is a grievous offense against an all-powerful creator. If He sends a murderer to Hell but allows you into Heaven, then he is a liar. I assure you, He is no liar. He is a just God who cannnot allow sin to coexist with Him in Heaven. You have many issues to deal with, the most important is where you’ll spend eternity and who you’ll take with you.

                Did I write this post for me, or did I write it for you? Think about it. I and others have tried, not because they want to hear themselves talk, but because they are caring human beings who do not want anyone to suffer throughout eternity. It doesn’t have to be that way. Believe what you will, just realize that there are indeed consequences to behavior. If you don’t believe these things, your professed Christianity is a complete farce, AKA, a lie.

              • Locked_and_Loaded

                Wrong. He has told us in His Word much of what He thinks. Do you have a scriptural reference for the condoning of homosexuality?

              • Galatiansch2vs20

                As much as God chooses to reveal through His Holy Word of His thoughts, those thoughts are revealed only to those who belong to Him. I Corinthians 2:14

  • libertyandtyranny

    This is so sick. The whole audience goes along with a BULLY!!!

    • wodiej

      only until they get bullied then they will be upset.

    • Galatiansch2vs20

      Not quite the whole- numerous young people walked out.

  • PFFV

    This is just another indoctrination tool and attack against Christianity used by our Union corrupted and controlled School System. They are teaching our school kids to hate the Bible as well as the morals and values it stands for. Be prepared for the big battle to come.

  • Karl Rogue

    *He’s* calling others “Pansy-asses”? That’s rich.

  • NJK

    He and Bill Maher are not comedians. They are marxists and bullies, using the term comedian for cover. Jeff Foxworthy and Larry the Cable Guy are comedians. Jerry Seinfeld, even though I think he’s an ignorant useful idiot, is a comedian.

    Just like when the communist left says Christian groups support forced birth control and Obamacare. They aren’t Christian groups, they are radical communists using the term Christian for cover. Just like Obama. They need to be called out for what they are, and not be allowed to get away with labeling themselves as something other than what they really are.

  • I would not have left.

    This clown would have gotten about 3 minutes into his profanity and he and I would have been having a seriously loud discussion.

    He would not have been able to finish for all my questions.

    You don’t win by walking away from bullies. You only demonstrate clearly how to get to you.

    Stop teaching that message.

    • It’d be interesting to see Dan Savage go up against Ravi Zacharias. He wouldn’t have lasted more than 3 minutes. People like Savage have childish means of defense, bullying when they can, crying about bullying when they can’t. They blame everyone else for their own behaviors. People like Ravi would be too truthful and intellectual for much of a debate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIw6ngIqaD0

  • stage9

    When you begin to realize the true face behind the homosexual agenda you can see the evil for what it is.

    ‘I Wish [Republicans] Were All F**king Dead’: Dan Savage’s History of Bizarre Rhetoric & Ties to the Obama White House

  • nibblesyble

    This guy is a man-pig who coined that sludge about Santo(I shant put it down here, but needless to say it requires a shower afterward) he is small-minded, narrow-thinking, vengeful and bitter about whatever childhood issues he hasn’t been able to maturely deal with. The saddest part is that he is given an avenue for his spiteful rants disguised as ‘anti-bullying lectures’ I hope this push-back tempers his approach, but I highly doubt it.

  • The genius logic of Dan Savage. Let’s demonstrate his fallacy in detail:

    Because brutal homosexual rape occurs in prison; Dan Savage is guilty …….

  • Wow, if anyone comes to these forums as a guest and reads this crap they must really have a negative opinion on the so-called Christian right. I am a republican, a christian, and gay. However, it seems to me that the majority of posters on this site cannot abide ANY kind of variance from their own social norms. It should shame many of you that you read, like, and just allow people to gang up on others ad hoc with zero thought that the behaviors so exhibited are exactly what Christ taught us to not do. I am sorry I stirred the pot so to speak, but really, I have been reading this site for well over a year and EVERY time a gay subject is raised this exact thing happens. What ever happened to just saying you would pray for those who you disagree with? Well, I pray for many of you on here whether or not you think you need it. I need it. We all do.

    Really, some of you need to take a look at what you post and ask yourself if you really feel good about it. Libertyandtyranny, onthemark, rshill, stephen, kimberly, and others. Look and TRULY read what you write and how you respond and then tell me that I am a troll for raising valid points. I am no lib or bleeding heart. However, you must know that many gays and lesbians are sick and tired of being treated like shit by the Christian mainstream and THIS is what comes of it. Live and let live people… Peace be with you

    • And to clarify, I DISAGREE with how Dan Savage presents himself, completely. That being said, go and read and listen to what he has to say and why he said it in follow ups. I may not like the delivery (most should not) but the message is worth hearing as it shines a light on how many LGBT people in America feel.

      His point is that if the norm were reversed and Christians were all of a sudden a small minority in this country and were constantly being told they were sinners, cast out, evil, agenda driven, immoral, etc etc etc… Christians would feel very uncomfortable and probably act out and do it loudly. Therefore, you get your Pride demonstrations and vocal and angry gays. Just food for thought and CIVIL discussion.

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Right. Sure, you do. We get it. Everyone else alive is reading you wrong. Everyone else here is not being civil, and you are. Right, sure you are.

      • Rshill7

        Christians are the ONLY group in this country it is still OK to insult. Gay people are celebrated all over this country, especially in the media. Christians are vilified. So go be celebrated sir and leave us in peace. Go where that celebration lives. It does not live here. Most of us believe what we believe. If we can’t change you, you shouldn’t be floored that you cannot change us. You go ahead and be you and we’ll go ahead and be us. You have to live with you and we have to live with us. Try to deal with that. I don’t think any of us have a gay trophy to award you with.

        Good night.

    • stage9

      If you are a Christian and practicing homosexuality then you’re backslidden and need to repent.

      “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

      Not sure what part of this is so confusing for so-called “gay theology” adherents.

      You can call yourself a lot of things, but a born again Christian isn’t one of them.

      • stevenbiot

        Oh, Snap!!

      • Thank you for your concerns!! I will take it up with my minister on sunday!!

        • stage9

          If your minister isn’t confronting you about your sin then HE’S backslidden to! You need to find a new church. Wearing a smock doesn’t make you a doctor; wearing a collar doesn’t make you a minister.

          • Really… sigh… I suppose we should all be what, Southern Baptists? Really? I guess the Church of Christ and Episcopal and Presbyterians and the like should just fold… and those damnable reformed churches!! You do realize that your church probably has many gays in it right? Who leads your praise and worship? Choirs? Ringers? Before you cast your stones at me for being a gay man in Christ’s church I humbly submit to you that my relationship with Him is between us. You have nothing to do with it.

            • stage9

              No, we should all be CHRISTIANS as outlined by the Word of the Living God. If you have a problem with God’s Word, you have a problem with God and by association a problem with Christianity.

              I hope struggling gays ARE in the Church! But someone who is STRUGGLING with homosexual feelings and someone who is OPENLY PRACTICING homosexuality are two different things. The first is seeking to be conformed into Christ’s likeness, has repented and turned away from sin. The second is in open rebellion against God and seeks to justify his sin.

              It is NOT just “between us” (you and Christ)…sorry friend that isn’t how the Body of Christ works. You don’t just show up to church practicing open sin and expect the church to conform to you! The Church is a Body of BORN AGAIN sinners who have TURNED FROM sin. Those who are IN SIN sitting in the pew, if they aren’t convicted of their sin, the church is damning them already.

              “It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.” 1 Corinthians 5

              Immorality was confronted in the first century and needs to be confronted now. Read your Bible friend. it’s all in there.

              • Well… I don’t think you’d like my church much. Again, thank you.

                • stage9

                  If Jesus were to preach what most preachers preach today He never would’ve been crucified.

                  And it doesn’t matter one iota what “I like”…The Gospel is not a Gospel of personal opinions…it’s the Word of the Living God which rules and reigns over all. It only matters what God says, not what you or I say. And His Word is holy and final.

                • stevenbiot

                  Stage9, my father-in-law is a preacher in Texas. I made a bet with him that by the time I’m his age, to bring in revenue, preachers will be preaching that the bible tolerates homosexuality. I’m an agnostic, used to be atheist. I see church becoming very politically correct, with the coffee shops, bookstores, etc.. You think church is becoming that way?

                • stage9

                  Yep…it’s sickening…and I’m sorry you’re agnostic. Please don’t allow the background noise of “modern Christianity” to dissuade you from the Lord. The two are completely independent of one another.

                  The Bible has prophesied the sin of this modern church..

                  And I’m not an old timer either.

                  “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils…” 1 Timothy 4:1

                  That age is upon us.

        • Please Brian, don’t wait to take it uo with your minister- take it up with the Lord NOW. Do not wait, as Jesus will hear you any time, not just in church. Ask with a sincere heart and listen to what He says. We don’t always like what He says, but like a parent with wayward children, He loves us enough to discipline us!

      • And yet again, no one is READING what I wrote. Instead, it’s time to bash me for being gay… really it is not hard… read then discuss.

        • stevenbiot

          “It is not hard.” I’m sorry, but that’s what she said.

        • stage9

          I’m not bashing you…stop being so defensive…stop deflecting. If you’re a Christian brother then it is my obligation to you as a Christian brother to confront you about your sin. Don’t justify it. Don’t condone it. Repent of it. (turn from it)

          “For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.” –1 Corinthians 5:12-13

          • I kindly just ask you to pray and mind your own business 😉

            • stage9

              I will pray, but you are still in direct rebellion against God. I encourage you for your own sake don’t lie to yourself. You know what you should do. Do it. If not, don’t call yourself a Christian. And to be fair, I say that to ALL who are living in immorality right now and expecting God to just embrace it. Not just homosexuals. God will not be mocked.

              “Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you…” 2 Corinthians 6:17

        • E. Lee Zimmerman

          You appear to be the only one going on about your gayness. By your avatar, I never would’ve guessed. And unless your name was something equally banal like “Dick FitzBrian” I wouldn’t know, either.

        • crosshr

          no one freaking care whether you are yellow, blue, gay or virgin,you can not drag all into the hole you fell in. since you bring it up in open, it’s a waste of time to focus on your own view that is not taught in the Bible.

      • Omegaomni

        I find that ironic when you say “If you are a Christian and practicing homosexuality then you’re backslidden and need to repent.” where you when christians started every American war? or when christians had slaves or did not let women vote or hold office?
        where was the pope or ministers; pastors condemning those as unchristian?
        where the christians condemning child labor? or the creation of the nuclear bomb or chemical weapons?

        where are christians when more innocent people have died from the war on terror than the people in 9/11?

        • crosshr

          even in the teaching of the Bible , you can never find a place that approves two wrong makes a right ! slavery, war, homosexual, drunkenness, sexual perversion, killing, lying,and so forth, there is but one place they all end up at if they don’t turn from their act, that is one HELL for all.

    • stevenbiot

      I hate Stevens that are spelled with a “ph.” How does a “ph” make a “v” sound. Rubbish!!

      • KenInMontana

        It doesn’t make a “v” sound, unless it is being mispronounced, it should be pronounced with a “f” sound the “e”s being pronounced in the short form.

      • Galatiansch2vs20

        The Stephen in the Bible who was stoned to death for his faith has his name spelled with ph.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Here’s a tip, Brian: don’t come here.

    • Galatiansch2vs20

      I Corinthians 6:9-10 NAS
      Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

    • Rshill7

      I feel great about each and every word, every jot, every tittle that I posted sir.

      You stirred the pot. You have issues. Those issues are yours, not ours. If you did not want any input, perhaps you should have left it alone. You cannot expect to give your opinion and have it go unchallenged. If you want your opinion unchallenged, keep it to yourself. This entire site is 95+ percent opinion and the rest, news clips etc.

      Again, I am quite proud of what I’ve written on this page. I am also proud of what I’ve written on every other page. No one wants or needs to know what kind of sex you have, OK? We also do not care what color your underpants are or whether or not you eat boogers. Too much information. Get it?

    • By coming into this thread so late, I have been able to read all the comments Brian and added a few of my own. While I see humans acting human as far as getting our dander up when we are shown such hypocrisy of Dan Savage bullying at an anti bullying forum, I also see passionate folks who, all being different, have different ways of responding.
      I’m not one to usually call out people or nit pick others’ comments, because I think everyone who comes here to Scoop has a valid opinion, whether I agree with it or not, and I appreciate so many putting up with my butting in and often giving my own opinion when it’s not asked for.
      If you’ve been coming to this site for so long, and not just to the stories having to do with gay issues, I think you’d know many of us by now in the way we respond to stories and to those who comment to us. Some of us have been very passionate over some story or another, but you know, we’ve all got a different way of responding. If you have been coming here for a long time, you would know- and I’m going to use Rshill as an example because he is the one you have made a point to single out, but you’d know that yes, he does have a very abrasive way when it comes to defending the Bible. He can be swift with a word, which sometimes could leave someone stinging a bit- but you know what? He is also one of the most loving, honest people on this site. He does it because he cares. I have some other friends who are just as hard, and they are from military back grounds. Either raised in it, or joined themselves. Am I using this as an excuse, no not at all, just pointing out the fact that every one of us are different and come to issues in a different way.
      Some of us are a little more bold in our “preaching” because, well for me anyway, I look at it as Jesus called us salt. Do you know what salt does? For one, it stings, just like Rshill’s and a couple others words do. It cleanses, much like Grace and a couple of others. It purifies, just like the Word of God preached by those who trust in His Word, like Puritan and Galations and others do. We are being salt Brian. In each our own different ways. And you can be sure of one thing. That you may not believe it, but I know a lot of folks are praying not just for you- but for a lot of us here. We pray for each other. We tell each other the Truth. Jesus is the Truth, the life and the way Brian, and while non of us are perfect none of us deny Him either. And I think there in lies the problem. It’s not us that folks have a problem with, its Jesus.

  • earlgrey133

    It is a little sad that I am surprised they were able to get a teacher from liberal CA to speak out against this speech. He was right in every way (IMO).

  • DebbyX

    Why all the Christian hatred. I think it’s because so many cannot live up Christian values, that it’s just easier to hate than to try and live a moral life. God have mercy on their souls.

  • c4pfan

    He’s right. They did the right thing by leaving.

  • Galatiansch2vs20

    I am thankful for those students who were brave enough to go with their convictions and walk away from this reviler of God.

  • Galatiansch2vs20

    Disqus not working properly: @ Debby:

    To walk out when someone is verbally disrespecting God, His Word, and His children is not expressing hatred of that person, but of the evil spewing out of that someone’s mouth.

  • Jude O’Connor

    My faith in our American youth is restored to very high standards, Thank you.

  • Who is Dan Savage “pushing back” against? Have these high school students bullied him in the past? Or is he lumping all Christians together into a group?

  • KenInMontana

    You are assigning the teachings of Ancient Judaism (Old Testament) to Christianity (New Testament). Do a bit more research on theologies and faiths before running your mouth and coming off as unlearned fool. I would also advise you find a dictionary and look up the word “tantrum”, you’ll find the definition closer to the behavior of Mr.Savage than to the actions of the students who actually showed a great deal of restraint by just walking away.

    I am now going to give you the free time to work on it, good bye, good luck and have a nice life.

    • nibblesyble

      Best retort I have read on this site!

  • nehemiahreturns

    Savage’s argument is not with these kids – it is with God himself. So, let him throw his fist in the face of God and argue with Him.

    The pace at which persecution of Christians is accelerating in America is astounding. For decades we have prayed for and supported the persecuted of Asia, Africa, the Islamic nations, and communist countries, and I have often heard it said that more Christians were martyred in the 20th century than in all the centuries since Christ combined, but I think American Christians have supposed that it cannot happen here.

    We have been like the frog placed in a pot of cold water on the stove; that by the time we realize the water is beginning to boil it is too late and we can’t jump out.

    Persecution begins with angry lies. We are now at the point that our children can be publically harassed, ridiculed, and bullied with the approval of public educators and the majority of their fully indoctrinated young students.

    Never mind that the battle for the abolition of slavery in England and America started in the pulpits of Christian churches. The truth has no place in anti-Christian propaganda.

    It is a sad day for those of us whose ancestors were martyred in Europe because they loved the Word of God and would not bow to powerful, ruling, apostate religious authorities.

  • basmith77

    Maybe if D.Savage had a little more s e x he wouldn’t be so uptight.

  • Dave B

    So is big brave savage going to go after Muslims too?

    I mean if he finds Christianity offensive, then how does he feel about Islam and Islamic states sanctioning the murder of homosexuals?

    This guy has zero integrity.

  • B-Funk

    I’ve seen this. He may have been picked on when he was young, so now that he has his chance, he’s going to be the bully to someone else instead of being a bigger man and ending his bullying with himself. It happens from time to time. One of my classmates was picked on, is now a pretty powerful guy in the community, and now pushes others around.

  • stevenbiot

    Scoop, please don’t take this down. Everyone on this blog needs to open their minds to this. I kid you not. Rap has even been taken over. Hahaha!

  • MassManny
  • Andobus

    I’m a pro-gay Republican, and I would have walked out too. I may disagree with my brothers and sisters on the Right, but I’ll always uphold the dignity of their views against the bullying “anti-bigotry” of the radical Left (and no, I don’t think I’m exaggerating in calling Dan “All Republicans should f*cking die” Savage a radical). He’s a hypocrite, and a bully, and a would-be Stalin shackled only by the chains of democratic decency. I won’t dignify him with respect or time, except as far as I need to ensure he stays as far away from the reins of power as possible.
    Besides, he’s not exactly a role model even for the gay conservatives I know. They believe in strong families and traditional sexual morality (suitably adjusted for gender neutrality), and he’s exactly the sort of promiscuous gay stereotype that they don’t want to be. They remember what AIDS did to the community in the 1980s, and what the slower but all the more insidious poison of sexual “liberation” is doing to our culture going forward. Dan Savage is not the future of the gay community, can’t be the future of the gay community.