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Some nut has already created a video game that allows someone to shoot the president of the NRA:

TOWNHALL – A new online video game is taking political discourse to a whole new level. We already reported the death threats being received by NRA executives and now, a video game which allows users to shoot NRA President David Keene in the head, has been released. The creator of the game identified as gizmo01942 Ediot says, “Share this everywhere, especially gun-nut and anti-game websites. Also see if you can’t send it in to the NRA somehow, like through the feedback on their website or something.” Gizmo also provides screen shots to viewers, which can be seen below.

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  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

    I have no sympathy for the NRA in this deal— they have been trying to point the finger at video games to draw attention away. It’s just as stupid to attack the first amendment as it is to attack the second.

    • http://www.therightscoop.com/ The Right Scoop

      The NRA didn’t attack the first amendment. They simply suggested that video games may play a part in this. Is it wrong to suggest that parts of our culture are contributing factors?

      • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

        I’ve seen at least two instances in which they’ve attacked (or pointed the finger) violent video games. That’s as absurd as attacking violent movies. Yes they may be indicative of a cultural issue, however, it works to attack the first amendment. The inevitable coercion, by the government, against video game studios, or any restrictions placed on them will be an attack on the first amendment, and the NRA is playing into it by playing the same blame game as the left. There is only one person to blame for what happened and blaming a type of entertainment is irresponsible.

        • marketcomp

          Stewie, violent movies are not exempt. Look, a child’s brain can be easily manipulated and to a developing brain and constant interaction with these games and violent movies can become reality. These young minds grow-up to become young adults. By that time their brains have been shaped by these violent video games and violent movies. Playing video games and watching violent movies as an adult have no effect on the brain but it is just the opposite for the developing brain of a young child.

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

            So what do you propose is a solution?

            • marketcomp

              Just holding back the violent video games, like movies that already have ratings, from the little undevelped minds. They can enjoy them when they become adults with a fully developed brain. I think that’s a common sense approach. Don’t you?

              • Amy

                ?? Just guessing you don’t have any young ones in the house ??

                There are already ratings on video games. If you can’t produce an ID to show you are 17 or older, you don’t get to buy anything with an M rating. It doesn’t work – just like all the other regulations out there on people’s behaviors.

                • marketcomp

                  Ok well go to 21 years of age instead of 17 years.

                • Amy

                  ??? My kid is joining the Marine Corps in a few months. It’s okay for him to go actually pull the trigger but not play a video game?

                  Look – it’s called personal responsibility. I know plenty of people who play all kinds of video games, but they aren’t out there shooting people. I also know really violent young men who don’t even have the capacity to play video games. You are assigning blame in the wrong spot.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  You’re a special kind of stupid aren’t you???

                • marketcomp

                  You know I am really going to hold back becasue I have the capability to really UNLEAHISH. But since I have already been edited I will have mercy on you, Brian Jones!

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  That’s alright…I’m pretty sure I got edited somewhere along the way too! LOL!

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  Sorry Brian. I have to be fair.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Oh, about the edit?!? LOL! I know AbC!!! I wasn’t thinking when I wrote that! Sorry! Nice to see you though! :-D How are you doing today?

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  LOL. I hate having to edit my peeps! Had to edit marketfriend too lol.
                  I’m good. How are you feeling today? Better I hope!

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  I’m doing better Thank God!! I thought I’d have to go to the E.R. on Sunday, since my Primary Care doctor is all booked up until next month (Gotta love Kaiser Permanente)…

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  I’m doing better Thank God!! I thought I’d have to go to the E.R. on Sunday, since my Primary Care doctor is all booked up until next month (Gotta love Kaiser Permanente)…

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I’m glad you’re doing better! You must have been really yuckie- I put a totally COOL photo on your FB wall and you never saw it! I was hopin’ you’d see it to make you feel better. :-) Glad you are though Brian.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Hmmmm…I seem to have missed it!!! Let me look for it now…

                • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

                  I’m glad you’re doing better! You must have been really yuckie- I put a totally COOL photo on your FB wall and you never saw it! I was hopin’ you’d see it to make you feel better. :-) Glad you are though Brian.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  Here’s the problem- Parents will still buy their whining kids the games they want. What’s to happen then if we’ve already established the game’s guilt?

                  Can’t start putting people in jail for buying their kids a game they thought was fine as it is their job to raise their kids–just like many train their kids with guns at a young age, which I assume you would also leave up to the parents to decide. It’s getting silly to try to control people that much. People just do what they do and it’s scary that some would seek to blame anyone but the person.

                  Do we as a society still blame the rapist when he rapes, or do we blame the person that molested him for his crimes?

                  This particular topic illustrates exactly how conservatives differ from libertarians, and perfectly expose the ugly head libertarians fear in conservatives. Just a different flavor of the same oppressive leftists….with different fears and different controls. I’m not putting myself or you in any one camp, but it’s just a thought I had that needed to come out so that people can rethink exactly what they advocating.

                • marketcomp

                  You have a point Stewie and I am all for training the little ones about guns and by far why guns are apart of our society and the rationale behind it. But, right now many are not teaching thier children about guns and saftey. So these extremes leading to taking away violent video games and movies is necessary. Parents are not engaged in teaching their kids so the Government and by default the video games are taking on that role. And that is the real tragedy.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  I can agree with that….so lets not play the same game and blame a correlated issue. Parenting and the cultural rot are absolutely important to discuss on the national level, but lets not isolate one manifestation as a way to deal with it.

                  As we all know- correlation is not causation.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Oh…so I guess since you know best we should all just thank you for your wisdom huh…don’t you see how ARROGANT that argument is?!? You CANNOT tell people they can’t have something because YOU think it’s harmful to them. THAT is wrong, and I thought Conservatives were all about empowering the PARENT to make the decision.

                • 57thunderbird

                  I frankly would have no issue with this game if it did not single out one particular citizen.This particular game has one motive which IMO is to incite violence against a private citizen because his stance is opposite the left’s stance on the issue of gun control.

                • marketcomp

                  As a responsible parent I can indeed decide what my children watch. You however are suppose to be an adult and I don’t even advocate coming close to telling you or any adult what to do, Brian Jones!

                • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                  Your view is to fall in line behind liberal big government as form of parenting: You say liberals are destroying our culture, and rather than building a better culture, you are lining up behind the liberals and encouraging them in expanding the nanny state.

                  Doing so even without evidence. Is there any evidence to suggest that video games can turn a sane moral person into a violent premeditated murderer?

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  There is a difference between Libertarian and Libertine. too many Libertarians confuse that very definition of themselves by themselves. It is of little wonder Libertarians have been dubbed Liberaltarians.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  I believe in morals. I don’t believe they come from government, or from democratic coercion.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  I believe in morals. I don’t believe they come from government, or from democratic coercion.

                • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                  Morals are something that an individual applies to himself. He doesn’t try to govern other people’s actions. If someone thinks it’s wrong for his 15-year-old kid to play a violent video game, he shouldn’t let his kid do that. You can’t run into a parent in the checkout line who is buying a rated M game and ask them if it is for their kid and how old their kid is. That isn’t called being moral. That is called being tyrannical. That is an example of the nanny state. That person would be the same person who says no one can buy 16 ounce soft drinks because he himself doesn’t want to buy one. Hello, Michael Bloomburg.

                • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                  It shouldn’t be changed to 21. People at age 17 are old enough to handle violent video games. Hell, people at age 6 are old enough to handle playing cowboys and indians. Anyway, changing the age to 21 would have a very small impact on how many 17-year-olds actually play rated M games in practice. (Many parents would be willing to buy their 17-year-old a rated M game.)

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Why are you replying to me with complete and utter nonsense? I am not talking about morals on the micro scale which is what you are referencing. I am talking about morals on the macro scale as in society. Do not even remotely equate me to Nanny Bloomberg who practices tyranny under the guise of morals as you try to practice morals under the guise of liberty. Neither of you are correct and neither of you know the difference. You are two sides of the same coin.

                  What I am seeing is gamers living in denial that constant gaming just might have an effect on the minds of people. I have no problem with gamers. Play away but don’t live in denial while you are doing so. Everything in life has a cause and effect.

                  Besides I don’t think gaming had a thing to do with Sandy Hook. The kid was mentally deficient and IF a game did set him off then any single thing could of set him off. I have as yet to see anyone prove any of the shootings have a root cause in gaming. That is not the point though. The point is people living in denial about violence in our culture and our increasing immunity to it. Not just games either. They are actually the least of it. Movies and tv play a bigger part IMO.

              • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                Amy beat me to it. :)

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Stewie to an extent you do believe in democratic coercion since we do have laws on the books voted in by our elected representatives. We don’t have a free for all society. Morals don’t come from government in our society, they come from God, however they are implemented by government. Hence the reason murder is still a crime and the government will punish you if you commit it in the name of the victim of the crime and the ‘people’.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  You are misinterpreting what I typed. I do not believe you can force anyone to have morals. You can force them to comply with law, but you can not force their morality.

                  Sure, moral behavior is often legally supported, but it’s because they often overlap. There are many immoral things that are legal, just as there are many legal things that are moral.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Correct. Thank you for clarifying that. I didn’t misinterpret it you didn’t delineate it properly. However it is still democratic coercion of a stripe my dear. When people agree to form a civilizations and society they agree to that coercion. In this country we agreed to a certain type and in other countries they have agreed on other types.

                  Listen to a great extent I agree with you, Brian, and Amy but I am going to challenge your arguments until you hone them. I don’t want the government censoring a darn thing. The government doesn’t have the collective brains God gave a swarm of gnats. However if we as a society do not start policing our culture and quit lowering the bar to it then the government will because society will demand it. As society breaks down more government is always inevitable to shore up society. That is human nature and that is history. That is also why our Founding Father’s warned that our Republic was for a moral and just society only.

                  I think as adults people have the right to play as many violent video games and watch as many violent movies as they want. I personally love action movies of just about any stripe. Doctors, psychiatrists, sociologists, educators all have a duty to study and warn of the effects it has on the mentally weak and children. If people don’t heed that warning and police themselves then in the end they can serve as a horrible warning in lieu of a good example. That may sound harsh but it is reality. However there simply is no denying that those things don’t have an effect. I as a parent have seen it first hand. Please be aware of that.

                • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                  So many people have a confusion about what creates culture: government or society. Civil society IS NOT government. Civil society is non-government institutions: Churches, non-profits, advocacy groups, etc. Civil society can only promote a viewpoint; it can’t force the viewpoint on other people. Why do people oppose social conservatism such? Because social conservatism has taken their own moral and cultural viewpoints and tried to force it on others through big government social engineering rather than through advocacy in the civil society market of ideas. If you want to change the culture, change it through civil society, not through government, because most people oppose the tyrannical policies of government moral decisions on the government level. That act not only makes you lose the fight, but moreover, it goes against your broader goal of decentralizing and cutting down on the size of government. It is only an invitation for liberals to use the government to govern what kind of drinks and guns people can buy and to censor talk radio under the claim that talk radio is a form of “hate speech” that is hurting our culture.

              • http://www.facebook.com/paul.christian.942 librtifirst

                If there are not enough people willing to boycott these games and movies, then it is too late already. The media will not put the focus on this issue, because they are being handed down orders to go after guns, and this would detract from that psy-op. The best we can do is pray for a grass roots movement to make the game and movie problem a bigger issue. Nobody would even be talking about the games and movies if they were not moving on the guns. It is a defensive tactic to bring it up. Not invalid, just defensive.

                • marketcomp

                  Yeap, you are sopt on librtifirst! These 19 executive orders that Obama is advocating has been waiting in the wings for a long time. But, I think they were originally for Fast & Furious but that didn’t quite turn out the way the marxist had hoped so they use the Sandy school shooting. As Ben Shapiro said, they are dancing on the graves of the Sandy Hook children and that is a shameful.

                • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                  What’s a “boycott” against a violent video game or movie? If you don’t like a certain film, why would you watch it? If you do like it, why would you boycott it? Thus, if you start a boycott effort, there would be no difference. Anyone who doesn’t like it is already not watching it. (In theory, you could go with the liberal bullying tactic of boycotting all films produced by a certain studio if you don’t like just some of the films that studio produces. That’s the hateful tactic that liberals use against Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.)

                  I would never boycott violent films because violent films can be good entertainment, and they don’t cause violence. I have watched many violent films in my lifetime and still haven’t murdered anyone. Only a psychopath would watch a violent movie and think that it’s a good idea to murder someone, and, by definition, psychopaths don’t need to watch a violent movie to kill someone. They are psychopaths, so they kill people for any random reason they can think of simply because they are violent and crazy.

                • http://www.facebook.com/paul.christian.942 librtifirst

                  If you read what I said, I was talking about the fact that there are not enough people who feel strongly about it to boycott these things. Meaning that they have been publically accepted, and therefor it is alr4eady too late.

                  Denying that a person’s mind cannot be influenced negatively by this kind of stimuli is a mistake. I do not call for banning anything, just that there would be a movement to educate people as to what can come from this kind of stimuli.

                  Those who are no aware of psychological programming will be succeptible to it. Everything that you give your mind over to will subconsciously influence how you think, and ultimately what you do unless you are taking care to counter the negative influence.

                  You should consider what propaganda has historically been used for. Hitler had Joseph Goebbels as his chief propagandist. He was successful in getting people to do really bad things through psychological manipulation. Goebbels came to the US and was hired by the media, government, and corporations to help them to psychologically influence an entire society. It worked quite well.

                  Desensitization of the mind toward violence is not a myth, it is scientifically proven to be effective in influencing people toward doing bad things. It is used by the media and government to get people to be involved in unjust wars, and to help carry out police state tactics on an entire society.

                  Deny it all you want, but at your own risk.

              • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                We ALREADY have this solution. It’s called rated R movies and rated M video games. If you are under a certain age, you can’t buy them or watch them in theatres. Of course, people can get around it by having others buy it for them. In that sense it’s no different than the drinking age. But you can’t go any further than that in terms of regulation, because going so far as to actually go inside people’s homes would violate too many of our freedoms and be impossible and impractical.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            That’s what PARENTS are for…all of these movies and games are rated to allow parents the ability to keep their poor little Johnny safe. If the parent refuses to do so, it is NOT my fault, and I should NOT be punished for their lack of responsibility.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              I agree that is what parents are for but you seem to think that the cultural rot going on doesn’t effect people and how they parent. Parenting skills aren’t picked up in a vacuum. Take a look at Honey Boo Boo. The culture made her mother and her mother is making her. She is one of a million examples. What about those idiotic shows glorifying teen pregnancy? If enough people demand decency then decency will happen. So perhaps attacking gaming in the culture and not the industry itself is what should happen. We need to wise parents up and really I think Sandy Hook has nothing to do with it. It was just the lynchpin that got the statement that got the debate.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                There ya go! NOW we can have a discussion…I will NEVER agree with an American Citizen that believes they have the right to restrict ME or other Americans from activities we enjoy (whether it be shooting or playing video games).

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  If you can talk to me politely and not tell me how to post we have a discussion. To an extent my dear you do agree because we do have limitations on our behavior via the law and society.

                  I think what you are getting at is you don’t want to be punished by your games being restricted because some nut-job played games and then went on a killing spree. I agree…just as I’m sick and tired of my gun rights being limited because some nut-job I don’t know went on a killing spree. Reality is their is another agenda there and killing sprees having nothing to do with it. Those mass shootings are an excuse not a reason.

                  Unfortunately our society has been doing this for decades and decades because we don’t hammer our neighbors and our politicians about not making decisions based in emotion. When my daughter was in school if someone acted up in the lunch line then everyone in the line got hammered instead of the singular person responsible. That is called using peer pressure to discipline…despite the fact we teach our kids not to cave into peer pressure lest they end up drug addled or pregnant or all of the above. Congress and society do that same thing on a much grander scale. They use peer pressure to punish via the law. Have you bought any sudafed lately?

                  We as a society should use peer pressure to police ourselves and coerce change in behavior instead of continually defining deviancy downward. I think video games don’t need to be censored but I do think we need to put pressure on parents about what games they let their kids play and how much.

                  Adults should be free to do as they please so long as they alone suffer the consequences.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Totally agree! And now that Sudafed is behind the counter, I don’t waste time with it and go straight for the Bronkaid or Primatene (actual Ephedrine, rather than the much weaker Pseudo-Ephedrine).

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Did you know you won’t be able to get Primatene any longer either? And for people like me Sudafed is the only thing that works on my allergies and a condition known as lichen plantitus. So i have no choice but let them see the bottom of my feet. It is frustrating.

                  My dear I am so glad we are learning to communicate.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Where’s Primatene going?

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Enviros got it removed off of the shelves. Something new is going to replace it though. I don’t know if it will be any good though.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Oh, you’re referring to the mist (because it contains CFC’s). I’m referring to the Ephedrine tablets, which last longer.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Can’t get the tablets in California.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Sure you can. I’m in SoCal, and I get them all the time…

                • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                  People shouldn’t be punished for the actions of others. You say, “Unfortunately our society has been doing this for decades and decades,” but that’s not an argument in favor of the practice. That’s just saying, “They did something wrong in the past so let’s keep doing it out of tradition instead of doing what’s right.”

                  Bringing up the topic of peer pressure, there is an important distinction between legally applied pressure due to laws and societal pressure. If you want to use your rights to shame people who play violent video games or who allow their children to do so, that is perfectly fine and well within your rights. But to make a law against certain kinds of video games is not right.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  I have never called for making any such laws. Do not make assumptions with me. It is not intellect and will not fly.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                There ya go! NOW we can have a discussion…I will NEVER agree with an American Citizen that believes they have the right to restrict ME or other Americans from activities we enjoy (whether it be shooting or playing video games).

              • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

                Unfortunately, America has a lot of idiots. Now part of the idiocy can be attributed to idiots watching idiotic shows and then becoming more idiotic. But we have enough non-idiots in this world to know that pop culture isn’t everything. Look, I don’t watch Jersey Shore or Honey Boo Boo or any other stupid TV crap because it’s stupid. But what is my not watching it going to do to prevent other people from watching it? What is your solution that isn’t tyrannical, unconstitutional, and morally wrong to prevent other people from being idiots? You can’t, because you can’t control other people’s lives. The best you can do is to advocate through civil society for people to make individual changes, but you should not advocate for the government to add more pages of regulation affecting media to our already huge government regulation book.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  The best I can do is to advocate for that and quite frankly that is a good solution IMO. Take note that the stupid idiotic show about the rapper and his multiple children and baby mama’s is now cancelled.

                  Leading by example and not watching this stuff is a great start. You think it is futile but I don’t. I use ridicule to those that I know personally that watch that crap as well. ;)

                  “The best you can do is to advocate through civil society for people to make individual changes,”

                  YES! that is best thing to do!!!! I have never advocated for government intervention. Why would I do that? Everything the government touches turns to mud and makes things worse and it doesn’t solve the overall problem of the dumbing down of society. Society needs to be educated and it needs to be done by it’s peers.

          • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

            Violent movies don’t cause people to be violent. You talk about a “child’s brain”? What kind of a parent lets their child watch Pulp Fiction at a young age? Violent movies aren’t aimed at young kids! Granted, some parents let their kids do anything they want and don’t give a damn about what kind of media they are exposed to when they are young, but that isn’t an indictment of violent media: It’s an indictment of bad parenting. OF COURSE bad parenting will cause kids to be worse off.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              Dear there are absolutely tons of studies about the effect of violent movies on children and people’s brains.

              What kind of parent let’s their kids watch Pulp Fiction at a young age? My mother let me watch Exorcist at the age of 9. I come from an upper middle class background and have an education that rivals many.

              There aren’t too many parents that are intentionally bad parents. Most parents make mistakes out of ignorance.

              I agree bad parenting is a problem but it isn’t the sole problem. Saying or refusing to examine that violence in our culture might play a role in it is like refusing to acknowledge the sky is blue. It is worth examining and re-examining upon occasion if it goes to the overall health of our civilization. Learn from the Romans and their mistakes! It’s like a check up in my view. It’s a pain but it has to get done.

        • colliemum

          Stewie – the same arguments about not blaming video games came after the mass shootings in Germany and Finland, some years ago.

          While those games per se may not make people into mass shooters, I think it is worth remembering that these shooters were reported to have been playing those games for hours, day in day out.
          So I think it is indeed valid to ask which role these games played in the shooters’ mental set-up.
          I think this is on the same, forensic level as asking where these shooters obtained their guns.

          It does not mean that all who play those video games are potential mass murderers, same as having guns doesn’t make someone into a mass murderer.

          But it is valid to ask these questions, same as it is valid to ask about the psychiatric medications they were on, which also down’t mean that all who take Prozac will turn into raving mass murderers.

          Not asking these questions means we leave it to the progressives to condemn guns alone, as the only thing which made those people into what they were, and thus end up with no guns – but with potential murderers nevertheless.

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

            So I think it is indeed valid to ask which role these games played in the shooters’ mental set-up.
            I think this is on the same, forensic level as asking where these shooters obtained their guns.

            So, if video games are found to have played a role, what, if any, change would you effect?

            IMO, video game influence is different than finding out how a criminal obtains a gun because there are other potential criminal actions that may have taken place in obtaining a gun. There is no criminality in video games, other than the actual crime that may be scapegoated.

            • colliemum

              Stewie – yes, game playing is different from finding out where they obtained these guns. What I am saying is that this excessive game play, which was documented in the case of those German shooters, may indicate that there is trouble ahead, especially when these people are also on psychiatric drugs.

              I am arguing this because this is about prevention, because it is not normal to play those games for 12 and more hours a day, every day, to the exclusion of everything else – is it!

              It is not about the video games as such, their content, and it is not about forbidding all such games. It is about seeing who might be in a bad situation, and to get help before it is too late.

              It is simply absurd to think that someone plays a game, once, then goes and steals a few guns and commits mass murder. But it is not absurd to taken notice when someone does it incessantly, excluding themselves from social contact.

              This is about prevention – so that law abiding citizens do not have to pay the price by being deprived of their guns and their rights under the 2nd Amendment.

              • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                I agree with your first two paragraphs. The drugs are a different issue that shouldn’t be lumped into this very specific argument because it dilutes the discussion. The second paragraph is spot on, so I don’t see why we have to disagree, if we can both acknowledge the much larger role parenting has…..especially over the entertainment they presumably control in their own house.

                The third paragraph is where I start to take issue because any proposed solution would involve government…..that’s where it starts to get into your house. That’s a responsibility of the parent(s).

                Prevention is the parents responsibility….they are the first layer. In this case it was bad judgment. From what I’ve read/heard- the kid found out he was going to be institutionalized and reacted. The mother was taking the rights steps, but she never saw her kid doing what he did. He was certainly mentally ill, and she made a mistake that cost lives. Nowhere in that equation do video games even enter the arena…..and if they did it’s because she allowed it, possibly to appease him.

                • colliemum

                  I fully agree about parenting – and that there is far too much bad, irresponsible parenting about.
                  I think you might have misunderstood me: I am not for government deciding which games are to be censored, or forbidding some. AFAIK, there are some age guidance rules anyway – so yes, it does in the end come down to parenting, and while I feel for parents who try their best and get scant help from the ‘caring’ professions, due to these rules and regulations which mean that parents are no longer informed about the illness of their children, we also need to acknowledge that parents can be wilfully blind to the needs and problems of their offspring.

                  The one thing to bear in mind is that we are not tarring everybody with the same brush, we’re not saying video gamers are potential murderers, we’re not saying all psychiatric patients will run amok one day – same as we’re not saying having guns means we’re likely to go on a murder spree.
                  But we must try and find out if and where there are indications that everything is not as it should be, where there are red flags which should be taken note of.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  I just don’t see how we can take a rare event like this and extrapolate that our society is forever hanging by a thread. These things happen and will always happen. I heard yesterday about a semi-local group of kids that killed and dismembered two of their own friends as a group (boys and girls). Are we going to claim that Iron Chef may be influencing kids, or just admit to ourselves that we can’t control the world or what free people will do?

                  I know I used a ridiculous and somewhat offensive way to make a point in that last sentence, but we have to stop treating every incident of violence as a disease that would be cured, if only we could find the right treatment. As far as I know, there is no cure for crazy. You can find millions of ways a child is influenced, but the fact is that they are all variables that can’t be controlled and can’t be applied to everyone.

                  We just disagree, I’m fine with that.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Well said! “You can’t fix crazy”!

                  Humans tend to be pretty egotistical in general (kind of like when the Mexicans in front of you are speaking in Spanish, look in your direction and then start laughing with each other, and you instantly get self-conscious and feel like they were making fun of you). As such, we also tend to think that when bad things happen, that it was our fault or that we could have prevented them from occuring if we had just made different choices.

                  Well, hindsight is 20/20, and just because a cause-effect relationship can be established after the fact does NOT mean that all events of that nature are somehow avoidable. THAT is the nature of life…we CANNOT accurately predict what will happen even one minute in the future, and to attempt to legislate on that basis so as to prevent murderous tragedies in the future from occuring is simply naive and almost juvenile.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Cuz they are talking bad about you. ;)

                  Hindsight is 20/20 but we can learn from the bad as well as the good.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  That old saying ” Rule #1: Bad things happen to good people. Rule #2: You can’t prevent ALL bad things from happening to good people”.

                  Both are true but we can prevent some bad things from happening by serving as a good example of being responsible especially around children.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  But the overall occurence of these mass-shootings are so rare to begin with it’s extremely statistically improbable that we’ll actually be able to change anything to do with their occurence rates by playing with movies, games, or anything similar. These things will ALWAYS happen (and always have happened).

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            Video games are presently the preferred choice of entertainment for over 50% of America…statistically speaking, you’re going to be hard pressed to find a mass-shooter that DOESN’T play video games. That does NOT mean the games turned him into a mass-murderer.

            • colliemum

              I did actually say exactly that: that watching these video games does not turn people into mass shooters.

              However – those mass shooters (certainly in Finland and Germany) were playing these games, and only these games, for hours and hours, day in day out. This goes towards indicating that there are some mental issues present, and these issues then led to the shooting.
              So why not ask if such excessive play, especially when combined with psychiatric medication, might give rise to serious concern?

              Or are you actually saying that those 50% of Americans who play these games are doing it for 10,12 and more hours a day, 7 days a week? And that that is normal?

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                I grew up playing these games for almost EVERY HOUR of the day (when I wasn’t doing schoolwork). It was pretty much my childhood. I’m a nerd…THAT is the one thing MANY of these mass-shooters have in common. We are almost universally outcast from society because our interests don’t match up with the rest of Americas’ interests.

                So yes, when I buy a video game, it becomes a goal of mine to “beat it”…and usually, that is the only game I’ll play until I achieve victory! LOL! MOST kids (Hell, most PEOPLE) are like this…that is an AMERICAN quality (focus, attention to detail, never quitting until the job is done, etc.). And many people have virtual friends (much like facebook) on these games, so by playing the games it’s a way to connect with their friends online.

                They’re just GAMES…MOST of my childhood REVOLVED around video games, and I (like most teenagers) had issues growing up but they had nothing to do with the video games and EVERYTHING to do with being a teenager.

                • colliemum

                  Brian – were you also on psychiatric medication? That’s what I am trying to get across: there are signs in the life of these shooters which ought to ring alarm bells.

                  I do get what you’re saying about being a nerd, being an outcast – so why, if this isn’t too personal, do you think you did not become a shooter and mass murderer?

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  My parents raised me better than that. It’s just that simple. I *KNEW* it was wrong. And admittedly, there was one point where I ALMOST did cross the line on a certain person, but that had A LOT to do with ACTUAL crime and drugs (and being a know-it-all teenager whose parents kicked him out of the house for being a know-it-all retard). But thanks to my parents actually instilling a good set of morals in me, I DIDN’T cross the line, and I even went on to turn my life around!!!

                  I was NOT on any psychiatric medication…my family doesn’t believe in that. Only ONCE did I take any of that crap, and that was in the Air Force after an “incident”. The Prozac I took almost caused me to kill myself, so I stopped taking it…it was very strange and sudden too…that’s why I don’t believe the medication is to do with these murders, since the violent impulses are SUDDEN and fleeting. These mass-murders were all planned out so well…they had a far more “permanent” mental deficiency than something that could be cured with a pill.

                  It ALL boils down to the parents. And in my opinion, the best thing my parents ever did was to FORCE ME to be involved with the Church (every weekend, I was there painting, mowing the lawn, cleaning, etc.), and I was an altar-boy during Sunday mass. Baptism, Catechism, Confirmation, Communion, etc. were all INTEGRAL parts of our family lives. We ALL knew the important dates of the Church, when Lent started and ended, etc. I even went to Catholic School for many of my school years. All of this helped to instill a set of morals in me that served me for the rest of my life. And THAT is the problem today…kids just aren’t raised that way anymore…

                • colliemum

                  Thank you for sharing your experience, Brian – you actually illustrate what I am trying to get across: you had good parents, who laid the foundations so that you did not go astray, and who did not swamp your developing brain with medication.
                  And – you were raised in the Christian faith.
                  Therefore you would not have got into a situation were you were drugged to the eyebrows, with just your video games as company – and nothing to balance that.

                  You are right: kids are not raised that way any more, and there are too many parents who have abdicated their responsibility and have let TV, games, psychiatric drugs, doctors take their place. And then there are parents who are trying hard, but are helpless in face of all those rules about patient confidentiality so that they are not even told what is wrong with their kid.

                  It is a mess, isn’t it, and while isolating just one strand of this mess is not going to help prevent these crimes, like ‘guns’, ‘video games’, ‘drugs’, ‘mental illness’, ‘the culture’, we can say that where all of those come together, there may be danger – danger which only good parents can prevent.

                  Thank you.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  I completely agree with you!!! I just hate when Conservatives propose that Video Games are EVIL and should be done away with, since that’ll deprive me of video games that I enjoy playing. Just as the Liberals say that Guns are EVIL and should be done away with, which deprives me of guns that I enjoy shooting and provide me with a great feeling of safety.

                  There is no difference between Conservatives looking to infringe on the 1st Amendment (to remove EVIL video games from American culture) and Liberals looking to infringe on the 2nd Amendment (to remove EVIL guns from American culture).

                  I would AGREE with attempts to reinstall God into the public square, and to convince people to become more involved in religion. But that is an ADDITIVE effort, not a DETRACTION. Taking away from Americans is NOT the answer, because that is nothing more than one American saying they know what is best for another (in this case, it’s Conservatives saying they know what is best for people and trying to eliminate video games). And it’s instances like this that make it EXTREMELY difficult for me to call myself a Conservative, knowing I’ll be lumped in with all the crazies…

          • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

            If people play games for hours on end day after day, that might indicate they have problems. It might indicate they are not socially adjusted or that they have mental illness or simply that they are losers with no life who are wasting their time. For ordinary people who just play video games not every day for a million years, then there’s no problem. Everything is best in moderation generally, including alcohol, etc. That being said, there’s no practical or legal way for the government to monitor how long individuals spend engaged in a certain activity.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          I don’t recall any instance where the NRA attacked the 1st Amendment in any way, shape, or form…or in short your right to play mind numbing violent video games or watch violent movies.

          The NRA suggested that cultural rot might be playing a part in these mass shootings and they are correct. Show me where they called for a ban on those games. The problem is they touched a sore tooth on your part and got at the truth that you know deep down to be correct and you don’t like it. You have to justify, defend, spin, rinse, and repeat. How much time to you waste on cultural rot?! Your avatar says it all.

          And before you continually say you aren’t sympathetic you had better remember that the 2nd Amendment is what keeps the 1st Amendment intact….YA KNOW THE ONE YOU SO MISGUIDEDLY THINK IS BEING ATTACKED.

          Next up…pull your naive head out of your backside. While those movies and games are entertainment for you, in the wrong hands they are a rallying cry for certain types of the mentally ill. Denying otherwise is to ignore history…SEE CHARLES MANSON AND HELTER SKELTER.

          No one is demanding a ban. what people are asking is a little acknowledgement and perhaps some self policing.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            You should probably tone it down a bit, since you’re blatantly wrong and all…

            The NRA DID, in fact, blame video games.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              No I’m not. I did not read, see or hear where they called for a ban on violent video games or violent movies. They did point to them and did say perhaps that we should take a look at it.

              Reality is they didn’t go far enough. Those games and movies scratch the surface.

              And you tone it down. you are trying to justify a behavior that you know perhaps is part of the problem.

              THOU DOTH PROTEST TOO MUCH.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                I actually know it IS NOT part of the problem. And the NRA focused on the video games because they knew people like YOU would call for the ban…they didn’t need to. Why else would they point to video games, unless they were suggesting there was something to do about them?!?

                I grew up with those video games my entire life…I still play those games, and I (like every single person I know) are responsible, adults now (and many of us are veterans). I can’t even tell you how many military folks I played these violent video games with when I was in the Air Force…

                THOU KNOWS NOT WHAT YOU SPEAKETH…

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Perhaps you should put down the damn video games because it is impairing your reading comprehension because neither myself nor did the NRA ever call for a ban on video games.

                  And apparently the Shakespeare quote went right over your head as well because you play too much video games.

                  And let’s get something straight…PLAYING GAMES WITH MILITARY MEN AND VETERANS DOESN’T GET YOU A FREE PASS WITH ME ON ANYTHING EVER. So what if you are veteran? Thank you for your service but it doesn’t give you a free pass on every subject or topic nor does it give you any extra special kudos or credit. I don’t buy that PC pablum and all of the veterans I know don’t try and pull that crap in some sort of special one up-man-ship. You don’t get use your service or the service of others to shut down free speech.

                  Furthermore the stats on veterans as of late isn’t bolstering your case. Highest PTSD rate in the history of this country. Highest suicide rate in the history of this country.

                  Don’t get me started on all of the court cases of so called responsible adults that their children were neglected to the point of abuse and in some cases death.

                  Not everyone is as responsible with those games and perhaps it would behoove society and the culture at large to take a look at it and revisit the issue occasionally. That is what responsible people of intellect do. We look at how things effect the least among us.

                  “I actually know it IS NOT part of the problem. ”

                  Really? How is that? Anything substantial to back that up?

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  ONCE AGAIN, tone it the F*CK down…

                  When the Hell did I EVER try to one-up you?!? I simply stated that when I was in the Air Force (I’m only 26, so it’s not like I have a whole lot of other experiences to refer to), that was the way things were.

                  As far as your “not calling for a ban”, what the Hell does “Reality is they didn’t go far enough. Those games and movies scratch the surface” mean?!? Yeah…you ARE calling for a ban…

                  Keep blaming video games, but you are behaving EXACTLY like a Liberal. Since you apparently know what is good for us, I guess we should just acquiesce to your beliefs and thank you for the free advice, huh…

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Once again I will not! Who do you think you are to talk to me or anyone in that manner? I have parents. One died and one is in a nursing home and if I need you to parent me I will let you know. If your posted age is correct I am old enough to be your mother so apparently I do know a thing a two more than you do about raising children and how the culture effects them especially since I have already done so.

                  And you still lack reading comprehension. You know full well what you posted in regards to veterans. Apparently not only have those video games impaired your comprehension but it also impaired your manners with that filthy mouth of yours. Did you pick that filthy mouth up gaming? You kiss your sweetheart with that mouth? Your Momma? Your Grandmother?

                  What my quote means is they didn’t call on the industry to police itself and rethink those games since apparently you need it spelled out for you. You lack reading comprehension. You lack manners. You lack overall education since you can’t comprehend a basic cultural Shakespeare reference. You can’t back up one thing you say or address a valid point then you have to post an epithet because you have nothing else in your arsenal. Yep pun intended if you know what an actual pun is. Furthermore you don’t know what my beliefs are either. You can’t comprehend the words on the page in front of you so how in the heck could you possibly know what I believe?! Are you suddenly omniscient?

                  Stop talking Brian because with every post you weaken your case instead of bolstering it.

                  Now excuse me. I think I will go write my Congressman and Senators since it seems I pay tax dollars for a lot of military men to play violent video games and perhaps like you the connection hasn’t been made to the HIGHEST IN HISTORY PTSD AND SUICIDE RATE. Yeah read that again and again until it sinks in.

                  P.S. Dear: I have never ever called for a ban on anything in my life including pornography…despite the fact that I could indeed make a case for banning that. There are better ways to do things than ban them, which of course turns the banned item into some sort of forbidden fruit that makes people want it more not less.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Wow…you have a LOT of anger and hatred in you. Perhaps YOU should not play video games, but that probably has more to do with the underlying mental instability…

                  The ONLY time I raise my voice, swear, or speak out like that is when people are being verbally abusive to another member (which you were to Stewie). After I called you out on it, you then began to be verbally abusive to me. You continue to do so. So…good day to you…

            • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

              Perhaps they did it in a round-about manner (I don’t remember exactly what was said), but they did so in a way that EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT WATCHED IT understood they were blaming video games and movies.

              That is exactly right.

              ….and in response to final post in this line. “Wow!” is right.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                How did you quote that like that? I wish I knew how to quote someone else’s post in my own post, but distinguish it apart from my own text…

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  Where you see “[" or "]” use one of these corresponding keys: “” (no quotation marks)

                  [blockquote]Text that is quoted[/blockquote]

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Where you see “[" or "]” use one of these corresponding keys: “” (no quotation marks)

                  Ahhhh…sweet!!! Thanks!

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Where you see “[" or "]” use one of these corresponding keys: “” (no quotation marks)

                  Ahhhh…sweet!!! Thanks!

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  Where you see “[" or "]” use one of these corresponding keys: “” (no quotation marks)

                  [blockquote]Text that is quoted[/blockquote]

        • sjmom

          I assume you’ve never been a mother????? As a mom I did try to curb the violence my son saw. Children copy what they see; hence, all the teens wearing the same fads as the rappers and athletes.

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

            If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you follow them? It’s an age old problem, and it’s still up to the parents to do a good job at home. The problem is more likely linked to bad parenting by an overwhelmed single parent than it is to video games.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

              EXACTLY!!!

              • Rshill7

                Exactly stupid.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  I (and most of my friends) play these video games on a regular basis, and we are APPAULED at the sight of violence. Hell, I still cry whenever I think about anyone getting shot in the news reports. When I was in the Air Force, virtually ALL of my friends and co-workers played these games after work in competition matches…

                  The gamer population is NOT as small as you think. In fact, the “gamer population” is LARGER than the gun-owner population, so if anything we are LESS responsible for the violence in America…

            • Rshill7

              Not too long ago our society wouldn’t have to breathe a suggestion that games like this should be banned because no one would have been evil or tawdry enough to produce them in the first place!

              The proper method here should be pure societal shame. Doing the right thing because it’s the right thing to do.

              But please, use the “if everyone jumped off a bridge” cliche’ and hope your thumb doesn’t get caught up in the bubblegum filling the cavernous crevice which houses both your thumbs on this issue.

              How about some simple, rational societal upset that the movie industry and the gaming industry turns out garbage which desensitizes violence. Where blood, guts, and the lack of empathy for other humans are fed to folks round the clock.

              Yes, please keep feeding society garbage. Feed it to them with repetition, as much as they can handle and more. Keep preaching, in high definition, how to murder, and rip people limb from limb. Make sure there is no decency whatsoever left in society, then pat yourself on your hunched back and say, I was for the first amendment, while a pack of gangbangers or that lone gaming soldier who now wants to get all real for a change, target you or yours…for fun.

              Keep saying that these games and movies that people watch for hour after continuous hour have no effect on anyone, while wondering why an advertiser will pay millions of dollars for 30 seconds of ad time. If showing something didn’t inspire people into action, there would be no such thing as an advertising industry.

              Hmmm, 5 hours of continuous blood and gore does nothing to anyone, but 30 seconds of ad time moves millions to action. Does that make any sense at all? No it does not.

              • Rshill7

                This has nothing to do with the first amendment. It has to do with our society becoming an evil shithole, while you stand on a soapbox shouting “bring on more shit!”

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  BRAVO!

              • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                Go ahead and point out where in my posts I made any of the following claims:

                [I] support feeding society garbage.

                Keep saying that these games and movies that people watch for hour after continuous hour have no effect on anyone.

                5 hours of continuous blood and gore does nothing to anyone

                ….and here you go again-

                But please, use the “if everyone jumped off a bridge” cliche’ and hope your thumb doesn’t get caught up in the bubblegum filling the cavernous crevice which houses both your thumbs on this issue.

                Can you ever make a point without bringing the discussion down?

                • Rshill7

                  Did I make a point Stewie? Good. I trust you were pricked by it, right in the thinker.

              • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                BRAVO!

            • sjmom

              Like I said apparently you’ve never been a mother and don’t understand how impressionable a child’s mind is. Even the best parents cannot always stop a child from viewing violence when they go elsewhere.

              PS. Would you also agree then that viewing violent porn doesn’t affect a child’s mind?

              I hope not.

              • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                Like I said apparently you’ve never been a mother and don’t understand how impressionable a child’s mind is. Even the best parents cannot always stop a child from viewing violence when they go elsewhere.

                I get it, and I realize the job is hard, but I made my point in the first response to you. I would also agree that it is impossible from stopping all exposure to your children, even in your own house depending on how strict you are…..however, will you also agree that the argument, although about the content, is largely also attributed to hours and hours, if not days, of immersion? That kind of behavior definitely can be controlled by most parents.

                There is surely a difference between simple exposure and long-term immersion in this kind of material, but that would once again touch on the point of my previous response. It is more attributable to bad parenting than to the content.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            I’ve never seen kids copying other kids that were KILLING PEOPLE at school. Kids can only emulate their friends’ language, manerisms, comedy, and clothing…nothing else. So unless the other kids are actively SHOOTING each other, there is nothing to emulate.

            And thus, if you didn’t want your kids playing those games, you (for the most part) still have the power to limit that experience.

            • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

              Well, kids are shooting each other here in Chicago……but it’s 100% not related to video games.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                Ahhh…good point! LOL! I guess if anything, it’d be the music convincing them that was the “cool” thing to do. And while I would NEVER suggest banning a style of music (or video game, or gun, or ammunition, etc.), I do wish parents would get their act together and RESTRICT their children from listening to that kind of music.

                All of this violence seems to have eminated from the advent of Rap music, and then exponentially expanded with Gangsta-Rap…parents are failing, but the answer to that is NOT to make their job easier by banning things, but to convince them to step up to the plate and do their freakin’ jobs…

                • Amy

                  I think the music is just an avenue to express what is at the core. A lust for power, money & control. The same thing that is always at the core of evil. ;-)

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Hmmmm…good point! So you think the music is just manifesting what the “city rats” already feel, and the other kids are emulating it to try to be “cool”…makes sense. I sure wish there was a way to fix that, but I fear that the popularity of Rap has to do with the fact that it is a predominantly black music. And since black people seem to mostly distrust (and disrespect) White people, I doubt it’ll ever go away because there is NO WAY they’ll switch from Rap to any “White” music like Rock or Country.

                • Amy

                  No… LOL I don’t think you’ll get much of a listening audience for country in most inner cities. I’m not ready to give up hope though – the answer is far deeper & greater than the problem. There are some amazing pastors & missionaries reaching the inner cities with God’s Word. You just don’t hear about them.

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  Not the music-

                  If you have ever seen bad parenting on TV, it’s probably at least that bad, and it’s the norm in entire communities, not the exception.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  But from my experience from living in those communities, the other constant is that they all listen to rap EXCLUSIVELY…

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  I [used to] listen to Rage Against the Machine almost exclusively in my car…….I’m far from a commie. With music, it could be the message or could be the beat that you like.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Sorry, I meant “ALMOST exclusively”! LOL!

                  There does not exist a gang-banger that does not listen to gangsta-rap…very few independent drug-dealers listen to anything other than rap. Rap is considered to be a common language between criminals, since that is the only langauge they understand. Swearing, violence, immorality, drugs, enslavement, premarital sex, racism, hatred, etc. is all present in rap music in overabundant quantities, and I’m pretty sure that all of this does have a hand in raising inner-city hoodlums to be societal losers with no value for human life…

      • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

        Video games and violent movies in general aren’t causing people to become violent murderers. Even if they increase violence marginally or (even) more than marginally, they should be allowed. Violent movies like Tarantino’s can be entertaining and thought-provoking art. It is a better nation that we have (First Amendment-protected) access to watch them if we want. We will always have to allow for freedom even if it might contribute negatively elsewhere. For example, are you going to completely stop eating deserts because it will make you marginally fatter and make it marginally more likely for you to die sooner for each desert you eat? No, most people wouldn’t. Should alcohol be banned, because alcohol causes some people to die from drunk driving? No. Should violent films and video games be regulated because some people think they might increase violent acts marginally? No. These are the consequences we live with in a free society, and we would be worse off if we weren’t free.

    • marketcomp

      I think this video proves the point that the NRA is making, Stewie. Violent video games are responsible for brainwashing young minds and those who can be easily influenced.

      • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

        Violent video games are responsible

        • Biggbear52

          There are virtually a 1001 and one guilty parties. None of us can name all of them. But when it gets right down to it, we put these morons in office. No I did not vote for this freak or his string masters. But we have to stand and soon, and say unequvically NO! i wont accept this any more!

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

            Wont accept what?

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

            Wont accept what?

            • Biggbear52

              You truly do not know what do you! The oppression smart guy. Any of it. WE THE PEOPLE whooped there butz 250 years ago and we can by God do it again! In whatever manor is necessary! Notice your avatar is that of a disrespectful child of an excessively socialist program that this aging fella NEVER allowed his children to watch. My oldest is 25 and youngest 22 and all four of them think stewie need a butt romping!

              • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                What does any of what you just posted have to do with my excerpted quote, to which you were responding?

                • Biggbear52

                  If you had any inkling. You wouldn’t need to ask!

                • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

                  I asked you to clarify a point that you were trying to discuss. It’s easier to try to condescend from the sidelines though, right? Have fun!

                • Biggbear52

                  If you had any inkling. You wouldn’t need to ask!

    • Biggbear52

      Alright smart guy. I defy you to get an AR-15 and show us all how it can pick itself up, walk a couple miles and then blast 20 + people into oblivion! Gaming studio’s spend ten’s of million on advertising, which by the way is a slide of hand trick, to dupe the targeted demographic of 8 – 24 year old persons. Science dictates that the male brain is not fully developed until between age 25 – to 32 years. So once again smart guy. LETS SEE THAT GUN USE IT’SE SELF AND COME OUT THAT VIDEO. JUST LIKE THIS ON!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

        Gaming studios make games the emulate what people are already thinking. Violence is, and has always been, in the hearts and minds of Americans at some point in their lives. The fact is, video games give people a means to emotional/stress relief.

        And your argument makes no sense…you’re saying that by saying that video games are NOT to blame, that we are ALSO claiming the gun killed people by itself…do you see how insane that is?!?

        The fact is that sane people are able to differentiate from reality and fantasy. Insane people are not. And what you are doing is EXACTLY the same thing as what the Liberals are doing: trying to strip people of something that makes them happy but is of no interest to you personally.

        Liberals want to ban guns because they don’t have any interest in them
        Conservatives want to ban games because they have no interest in them

        Why can’t we EVER seem to get to the HEART of the matter (getting treatment for the universally INSANE person) without getting into the conjecture and ridiculous arguments of both sides trying to ban that which only hurts the other side?!?

        • Biggbear52

          When you gain in education and decent in ego which ought take about 35 to 40 years, come back and we’ll talk. Until then bye bye!

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            Yeah…see you then…

    • Biggbear52

      By the way there are at least 50 games do horribly violent that they should not be on the shelves. Boys especially want to play cowboys and Indians. That has no gone to the point of boys just want to KILL. It has also only been a littler over a generation since these stats in the last 24 years. The exact time it has been since the advent and introduction of the VIOLENT VIDEO GAME. For those parents that use such for a baby sitter, don’t deserve kids. Just like the one that smoke dope in front of them.

      • Amy

        If only someone had taken those violent video games away from Gengis Khan or Caligula – oh wait…

        • Biggbear52

          Just the egotistical Narcissistic arrogance I was expecting. Remember this from those history lessons. Caligula was eviscerated by his subjects much like Mussolini in 44’. Kahn was beheaded and it is thought to be by his own lieutenant’s in the field of battle. By the way young lady both males you mention were spoiled rich little brats that did not have a clue as to what guns are as it was another 250 to 300 years before the advent of GUN PWODER. No I am not trying to fight or argue. Just that if you are going to strike up this side of a debate, you best have better ammunition. EVERY PUN INTENDED ON THAT ONE AS WELL! I’d be willing t bet you are a good decent girl. But please read more and find the facts. Please! Virtually 99.5% of mass murders of this country are done in gun controlled area’s by people registered as or having to do intimately with democrat affiliation. The Amy is a fact that no one can spin. Look up Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, the Hillside strangers and so on. Morbid yes but it is history that cannot be changed by anyone no matter how hard they try. Napoleon was a mass killing machine and he never used a rifle or gun. So get educated first!

          • Amy

            I am not young – I’ve already told you that so stop with the condescnding garbage.

            YOU totally missed the point. Evil exists and doesn’t need prompting or reason to be evil. Evil showed itself in CT at that elementary school. It didn’t need a video game to prompt it. By your own post, you are admitting that evil doesn’t even need the current weaponry to wreck havoc. Think about that for a little bit and maybe you’ll see my point in trying to ban & scapegoat something for the actions of someone who is evil.

            • Biggbear52

              Which is why we rid ourselves of the evil as stated hundreds of time in the Bible. Condescending huh. Well if having people of various ethnic groups that have no honor or morality with weapons gained illegally with the intent of using them to commit illegal acts. These people have no fear of recourse because there isn’t any. So when “WE THE PEOPLE” demand of “THEM OUR SERVANTS” which is precisely what the powers that be are, to implement a stricter death penalty for ungodly crimes like this, pedophilia, rape and so on, it is actually going to get worse. The downright ugly freaking truth of it is that the socialist powers that be bank on that crud. They are making freaking millions off of it. Did you speak like this to those that do not care for this FOURTH REICH selling illegal fire arms to know drug cartels that have killed no less than 600 in the last three years. That includes by the way, four of our uniformed border patrol officers on American soil. Do you even know that act is an act of war committed by this administration? Condescending: Not Hardly!

              • Amy

                Perhaps its the language barrier (if English is your second language) but calling me toots and young girl and uneducated is, indeed, condescending.

                You are arguing a very strange argument right now and are all over the place. I have no quarrel with you that our society is full of crud. That’s not what I pointed out in the first place. My original point is about the freedom the 1st amendment affords for even those who I don’t agree with. I don’t want the government censuring anything because once they start, they then decide what is fit for public consumption. Eventually, (as I’m sure you can attest to) they decide that my Bible, or the federalist papers, or the constitution isn’t fit for anyone to read. At that point, I have no point of egress because I’ve already given them the right to censure. I just let them start with the things I didn’t like.

                • Biggbear52

                  I can only pray that you have sat there at your computer and conveyed these concerns to your Congressman. Have you sent bills to this Reich in order to gain back some of what has been illegally gained by them. Yes the 1st amendment is vitally important. I point out that it has only been for the progressive’s that wish nothing but harm on all of us so that they, they alone may gain. This guy is forcing his insane ideal on those that do not know better and if Mom and Dad do not see what they are playing, then he gains ground on MANCHURIANIZING KIDS. That will one day think it is o.k to do what that sick little bum in Connecticut did. His Mother and Father were blood clueless. He even bragged about a game that gave him the idea. Emotional rant you called it. I call it passion about wanting my fellow American’s safe, entirely from the like of any nut ball including and especially the one claiming to look out for us. Which we both know is back asswards!

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Now that I agree with. But there is indeed a difference between self censure and self policing and the government doing it. If one doesn’t do it then the other always will.

                  I have no problem with most of the games. I actually own a few and play them myself however one cannot deny that they do have an impact on the culture and the lesser among us. I personally believe those that play games for hours and hours continually are displaying a symptom of a greater problem. Yes the game will warp their brain because that is what is available but if it weren’t that I believe it would be something else.

                  The real problem is the overall cultural rot. Games are a part of that along with books, tv, movies, theater, and media which includes the internet. We need to simply clean it up if it can be done.

                • Amy

                  Yes, that is the real problem. The government isn’t going to fix it though. They will, like always, make it worse because they seek control over citizenry rather than moral behavior.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  Government is part of the problem and not the solution as always.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

        Funny you never mention the advent of the violent movie…always MUST be blamed on the video game. Funny it’s ALSO never the fault of the parent…only the video game.

        • Biggbear52

          Point of fact I did mention the parent. Or should we say NON-PARENT.

      • MiketheMarine

        But, but, but……..

        I love playing Grand Theft Auto.

        • Biggbear52

          To make jest suggest that you are perfectly fine with it. Is that your stance?

          • MiketheMarine

            I’m sort of split on it. I don’t think it is the games or the content there of as much as it is the amount of time they spend playing those games which I blame on a serious lack of parental involvement in the raising of kids in this day and age. When I was I kid, I was rarely out of slapping range of an adult pretty much, ever.

            That is what the problem REALLY is….

            • Biggbear52

              Well mike I shall respond thusly. Strife begets strife. Violence begets violence and so on. Meaning the persons that make the games know the kids what to play adult, they target that demographic. Just like about twenty years ago with cigarette advertising. Virtually the same thing. It is called, in the marketing field, “PLANTING THE THOUGHT” So what you have is the following. “if you tell a big enough lie, tell it often enough. Soon, very soon the masses will believe your every word”. That statement was made a a fellow by the name of John Smithe from Sussex England whom immigrated to the east coast of the U.S. He wrote that line in a book entitled, “HOW TO INDOCTRINATE THE CHILDREN” This book in 1851 became one of many new books in the school systems at that time. The title was obviously changed to not sound so progressively socialist. Fortunately it was never implemented thanks to the Civil war. It was also considered to be a great addition to Marxism in America. That was 154 years ago my friend. Now look at our schools! Kind of scary aint it. As to the video game. It is a direct terrorist threat on a living breathing human being whom is already getting masses of death threats by fascist from every state. This should have never made it to view anywhere as it is the planning of a terrorist event. I know you disagree and that is o.k. But this is in no way o.k by any degree.
              There were four people that made a similar video depicting the kidnapping, torture and killing of George Walker Bush. These four were tracked down and are still awaiting trial and possible execution for attempting to assonate and American President. I do not agree with everything Bush did. But I most certainly would not wish him harm. This video definitely states otherwise. In today’s world that starts with the people that develop such vile imagery!

              • MiketheMarine

                I agree that they should never use an actual person,known or unknown as a character in the game and all that is well thought out. But I still believe it is the difference in what passes for parenting in most of the country versus when WE grew up. In my neighborhood growing up, if ANY kids parent saw you doing something you shouldn’t be, they would smack you in the head, drag you home, tell your parents, then THEY would spank me or ground me. And being grounded back then was no joke. You came straight home from school and acted like a slave to mom cleaning the house, cutting the grass, whatever needed to be done. Kids today raise each other with nearly no parental input whatsoever. As teenagers we ran around the neighborhood with BB guns. No windows were ever shot out noone ever shot at each other. We would target shoot and got good but we had an entire neighborhood of Parents ensuring our proper behavior. Today, kids are home alone 75% of the time.

                It’s easy to blame an ouside force but it’s the parents that allow that outside influence unsupervised time with their children. It starts at home. Personal responsibility. You have a kid? Then you have a responsibility for raising that kid to not be a defective a-hole as an adult.

                • Biggbear52

                  Mike

                  You and I both know that in most cases in today’s world, parenting leaves much to be desired. Not in all cases ,just of them. My wife and I are in fact attempting to get our grandchildren away from they’re mom and dad as we both feel that they are, at this time, incapable of rearing children for various reason. Mostly moral issues. In fact the dad, my eldest son plays these types of game in front of kids as young as 4 months old. Not to mention some other vile crap. But that is neither here or there. The point is that if the violent game, movie, t.v show or song on radio are not there then it makes it that much easier to parent them. At least in that realm. Yes parents have a big part. However with that having been said. We have to go back to the dawn of time and sit cane down and explain to him why he can not end the life of his brother after mom and dad are gone from this earth! Yes that is perhaps being a bit lateral but that is where this concept started. So we are talking for the last 6600 years the parents, no matter what, are to blame. Sorry got to disagree there buddy. Therre are outside sources dictating things they have no business delving into. In today’s world it is a pandemic and vile in the extreme.

                • MiketheMarine

                  I have no problems with any of that. In fact, you have children and grandchildren you are actively attempting to protect. I have no children. Not from lack of trying but being old fashioned, I plan on being married first, THEN children so I am willing to give your position MORE weight than my own based on your experience with it.

                  BTW, excellent exchange. Any lurking trolls can take some notes on how a mature conversation about a serious subject should go.

                  Semper Fi, my Bear Buddy.

                  :-)

                • Biggbear52

                  You are welcome and I pray your marriage is soon before things dry up. Know what I mean. J A lot of people disagree with my wifes and mine view on child rearing but all our kids are grown and healthy at bear minimum. Two struggling but that is to be expected. You go with God my friend and we’ll talk soon.

                • MiketheMarine

                  Amen, to that, my friend

    • RobertMahoney

      Yep, you don’t defend the 2nd amendment by pointing suspicion to the 1st amendment.

    • Godisright

      The NRA is pointing out simple cause and affect. The first amendment has nothing to do with the second amendment unless it involves a person like the PRESIDENT WANTING TO IMPOSE HIS THINKING UPON LAW ABIDING CITIZENS BY USURPING THE FUNCTION OF CONGRESS.
      Draw attention away? The attention should be drawn to the responsibility of parents to educate their children and bring them up in solid moral grounding. Quite frankly—that’s the problem!

    • Godisright

      The NRA is pointing out simple cause and affect. The first amendment has nothing to do with the second amendment unless it involves a person like the PRESIDENT WANTING TO IMPOSE HIS THINKING UPON LAW ABIDING CITIZENS BY USURPING THE FUNCTION OF CONGRESS.
      Draw attention away? The attention should be drawn to the responsibility of parents to educate their children and bring them up in solid moral grounding. Quite frankly—that’s the problem!

    • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

      This isn’t a violent video game: It’s a threat. The First Amendment doesn’t protect open threats. Even if it does, this game is immoral, hateful, and incites violence, because it calls for the murder of a specific law-abiding civilian. That means it is wrong, whether or not you can stretch the First Amendment to protect it legally (you can’t defend it on moral grounds).

  • aposematic

    I started to say: that’s capitalism; but. this really does sound more like a real threat?

  • sjmom

    This seems to cross the line because the threat has been made against an individual. Wonder if charges could be pressed?

  • Philo Beddoe

    Shoot the pro-gun guy with a gun because you’re anti-gun.

    So it’s ok for the President of the NRA to be targeted but how about the President of—–never mind, would it still be no big deal?

    • WordsFailMe

      I think the communist and their racist dogs are trying to get gun owners to react like stupid arrogant, entitled moronic inbred welfare scum do when they see an incident on tv. It’s more likely that a commie moron racist yellow, bitch democrat will break first and go screaming through the streets, shooting everyone they see.

  • WordsFailMe

    It’s a cartoon. Everyone knows the difference between the cartoon and the pissant, needledick turnip pansy who created it.

  • http://onthemark1.blogspot.com/ On The Mark

    It looks like this guy concerned about ‘anti-game websites’ is trying to pass the buck, but inadvertently demonstrating the point some have made about the dangers of violence in games.

    The NRA is about protecting potential victims.
    Games like Call of Duty and Battlefield celebrate military victory (though I’m not familiar with recent versions). Games like Grand Theft Auto celebrate murder and other violent and criminal activity. To lump them together would be unfair, but they are both pretend.
    Movies celebrate all manner of things, both good and bad.
    Abortion is about having the right to kill the innocent and helpless.
    Which is more likely to negatively influence our perception of the lives of others?

    • marketcomp

      If not seeking to brainwash then why a video, and not a poster or a flyer? A video to a young mind can be a form of indoctrination and it works. Afterall we have seen the results.

  • TitaniumEagle

    I couldn’t see the images because I was blinded by the irony.

  • Amy

    Not to pick a fight – but the 1st amendment is the 1st amendment. If you don’t like the video/app/game/movie then don’t buy it. I don’t have an issue with this – or any of the ones out there that allow you to punch the President of the United States of America – or any of the ones that ‘disprespected’ George W. Bush. Aren’t we the ones who preach that you don’t have a right to not be offended? Maybe we need to practice what we preach?

    • Biggbear52

      Amy that has virtually nothing to do with the point of the app. It is to indoctrinate youngsters like your self. into believing that this is o.k. When in reality that entire premise of the game is criminal at it’s core. Which indicates that the designer is to. If anyone is remote hurt because of this persons leftist behavior, then he and the person that initiates the harm are BOTH at fault. You can not have a fight of any kind with only one party. That goes against all natural law. Not man’s law, but NATURAL LAW the law of GOD.

      • Amy

        LMAO – I’m no youngster so back the self righteous truck up a little. I’m also well aware of God’s laws & nature’s laws, thank you. I’m also well aware of this little thing we espouse called personal responsibility. Either we believe it – or we don’t & we assign the blame for all our ills on whomever or whatever we don’t like at the moment…

        • sDee

          I am old enough to remember when Al and Tipper Gore were the darlings of conservatives and the religious right when then came out as the champions of our youth with a campaign against “offensive” song lyrics.

          As all that Gore does – it was all about subverting the First Amendment and political control – never about the kids.

          • Amy

            Yes, I was in the unpopular minority then when I opposed Tipper’s push. It made for lazy parenting. It appears I’m in the minority on this issue as well. Which I’m oddly fine with…

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              Actually you aren’t. You just communicate better than others.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

            Thanks for reminding me how old I am sDee…sheesh!

            I don’t remember them getting any backing for it though.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

          THANK YOU!!! Finally, a voice of reason and common sense!!!

        • Biggbear52

          Now your talking MANCHURIANISM. You call me self -righteous yet don’t wish to fight. So what phrase would put on the remark as to what I am speaking of. Self- right, NO. Defender of this country and a patriot with first hand knowledge of what socialist gun control does, yes. Excessively first hand. Spending nearly two years in a cesspool of tyrannical fanatics gives anyone the self-right to speak in that manner. The cesspool Amy is called the Milled east. Where I had the grievous displeasure of being sold out and lost 14 of the best brothers anyone ever had because some son of a biscuit eater wanted to get re-elected to seat he had no business filling with the communist butt. So self-righteous, you bet toots!

          • Amy

            I’ve already responded in another post. Perhaps in that post you will understand my point. Other than that, your emotional response has you rambling about personal past that I am not privvy to.

            Also, why do you fight me & my view that the 1st amendment applies to even things we don’t like when you’ve seen first hand what government oppression can do?

            • Biggbear52

              Tell you what Amy: I’ll give you the benefit of doubt here. If you can explain in one small paragraph, your point, have at it. Now before you start: note how I put that. Oh and by the way this game app has virtually nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. Until the idiot that made the game is in need of it for personal agenda. Also bear in mind that it is inciting to commit VIOLENT ACTS AGAINST OTHERS. The way I put my phrase there actually LIMITS your RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH which has truly existed in this country, for that matter any other, since way before you and I were ever thought of let alone born. So in brief, what is your point. The floor is yours! One final thing. My speaking of things in my past was not to gain sympathy, but indeed to have you see that outside sources would have us believe things that are nowhere near the truth! So please fill me on your precise point

              • Amy

                Here ya go… From a post further on down in resonse to you.

                My original point is about the freedom the 1st amendment affords for even those who I don’t agree with. I don’t want the government censuring anything because once they start, they then decide what is fit for public consumption. Eventually, (as I’m sure you can attest to) they decide that my Bible, or the federalist papers, or the constitution isn’t fit for anyone to read. At that point, I have no point of egress because I’ve already given them the right to censure. I just let them start with the things I didn’t like.

                • Biggbear52

                  Again Amy: please educate yourself. Please: you tell all of us the last time the 1st amendment actually mattered for a tax payer in this country. That is as direct as I can be. I guarantee I am way more of an advocate for the Constitution then 99.85% of this wonderful country of ours. Just this week I have written both my Congressmen, the state capital and the White House. I do not referee to Obama as the title would have us do. I actually, to his face if he were here, Call him by what he is doing to OUR country “ODILDO” Excuse the vulgar verbiage but that is precisely what he, by order of the commies that CONTROL HIM dictate to him. The first amendment has only been used in the last 175 years to advance the strength of those that abuse it most of all. Mainly the media! And those that are truly cowards that hide behind it and other amendments. In every court room in this land, unless you are rich or super well known, you best just sit there and shut your mouth. If not, generally you are threatened with contempt. To protest and exercise your 1st amendment right takes a permit costing anywhere from 10 to 3000 dollars. The occupiers claimed there right to freedom of expression and over 4500 rapes occurred just in New York alone. You and I cannot walk down any street in Chicago for fear of being killed because some freak thinks his right is more of a right than yours. The worst offender of this tainted design, is the Illegals. They, when accused of some Heinous crime, cry foul and suddenly cannot speak our native tong. And get a private attorney where you and I get a county paid mouth that is in fear of job loss if they do not play along. So yes their freedom of speech, expression and numerous others are out the blooming window.

                • Amy

                  BibBear52 – are you laboring under the assumption that I’m a democrat or liberal? If so, you would be mistaken.

                • Biggbear52

                  First of all Amy: welcome back Secondly I assume nothing. I do not believe that you are an ass. I know beyond a shadow of doubt that I personally most certainly am not. But seeing how you asked. It is quite clear that you have sense of rightness. This indicates that you care, hence there is no way in the fiery pit of the lake that you could be a zombicrat, or for that matter an idiot. What does concern me though is why it seems to be important to you. For instance I could personally care less what people think of me. I am me, people either accept me or they do not, their choice. Notice I use “CHIOCE” there. However my person view is that you have gracious concern as to what take place and where as well as at what point. So God Bless ya kiddo. Your fun to talk with.

                • Amy

                  I didn’t ask because I care what you think… I asked because you seem to spend a lot of time trying to convince me that the current administration is criminal. I already believe that. Most likely, you and I agree on much more than we disagree on.

                • Biggbear52

                  You say that it takes my a mighty long time to get the point, Right? So how is it that it has taken you this long to come to that awakening? J Like I said, your fun!

                • Biggbear52

                  You say that it takes my a mighty long time to get the point, Right? So how is it that it has taken you this long to come to that awakening? J Like I said, your fun!

                • Amy

                  I didn’t ask because I care what you think… I asked because you seem to spend a lot of time trying to convince me that the current administration is criminal. I already believe that. Most likely, you and I agree on much more than we disagree on.

                • Biggbear52

                  First of all Amy: welcome back Secondly I assume nothing. I do not believe that you are an ass. I know beyond a shadow of doubt that I personally most certainly am not. But seeing how you asked. It is quite clear that you have sense of rightness. This indicates that you care, hence there is no way in the fiery pit of the lake that you could be a zombicrat, or for that matter an idiot. What does concern me though is why it seems to be important to you. For instance I could personally care less what people think of me. I am me, people either accept me or they do not, their choice. Notice I use “CHIOCE” there. However my person view is that you have gracious concern as to what take place and where as well as at what point. So God Bless ya kiddo. Your fun to talk with.

      • sDee

        Whether to indoctrinate or not, once we go down the slope of picking and choosing what fits under the First Amendment we lose those rights ourselves.

        • Amy

          Why is that so hard to understand??? GAAAAHHHHH

        • Biggbear52

          Which I explained to Amy that we have not had in the country: unless you are stupid rich or in the commie media for 175 plus years. The only reason we are all on here is that they have not figured out to CONTROL IT. Free enterprise is a direct form of of the 1st amendment and look what this Nazi group is doing with that.

        • stage9

          So NOW the founders intended the First Amendment to cover violent video games that simulate murdering innocent people?

          That’s a leap, and I’m not a libertarian!

          If the video game showed Obama being murdered, would we endorse that too? If you say yes, then that’s just deranged. I’d expect that from a liberal but not a Conservative.

          The law has already established that there are limits to the first amendment. You can’t threaten the president’s life. There are certain limits on sexual pornography such as child pornography that are not covered under the First Amendment.

          The First Amendment isn’t a “free-for-all” do whatever the heck you want document. It operates within the parameters of morality.

          “Because we have no government, armed with power, capable of contending with human passions, unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice (greed), ambition, revenge and licentiousness (Lacking moral discipline or ignoring legal restraint) would break the strongest cords of our Constitution, as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. ” – John Adams

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

            Very articulate!

    • Biggbear52

      So much for a rational debate huh Amy. To bad it was getting good!

    • stage9

      I don’t think the issue is whether you can or cannot buy it. The issue is: IS VIDEO GAME VIOLENCE CONTRIBUTING TO CHILDREN SHOOTING CHILDREN?

      And the answer is YES!

      You can’t feed your mind on violence and expect to come out the other end virtuous. Why do you suppose so many soldiers have issues returning from war? They are constantly inundated with violence on the battle field and just because they come home doesn’t mean the war goes away. The war is still waging in their heads. Some to the extent that they can’t cope in society anymore.

      Teaching children to shoot and kill someone using a MILITARY OR GUN SIMULATOR is immoral. We should be teaching children responsibility and the proper respect for guns, not teaching them that it’s a toy. We also need to be teaching them how to handle their problems sensibly and morally and not solving their problems through violence.

      • Amy

        Then how do you explain the darkness that existed in the past even when there weren’t video games, TV or movies? We have had some very demonic times in this world’s history. There’s more to this cultural rot than just the current enablers of video games & movies. They are symptoms of the underlying disease – not the cause.

        As for PTSD, that’s been around since the beginning of our fall from Grace. No one takes another life without the ramifications of that act. Even if it’s justified in battle.

        • stage9

          I agree Amy. The world has ALWAYS been a violent place, but for the same reason I don;t give my 9 year old the car keys, I also don’t allow him to play Call of Duty. I do play Call of Duty from time to time, but even I, as an adult refuse to play the level where I’m expected to join a group of terrorists, walk into a crowded airport mall and open up on innocent men and women. It is despicable that they would even PUT that in the game.

          Simulating fighting evil is one thing. Killing innocent people in cold blood is another thing entirely. As a society we are better than that. That’s what separates us from third world countries.

          But to the point of children, their minds are not capable of handling that sort of senseless violence, and it is no wonder they are simulating it in real life.

          I recently sat and watched a teenager play the new Call of Duty online on YouTube. He was obviously a gamer because he was really good at it. But as he played I watched his face as he took in the violence he was expected to engage in, and even HE admitted much of the game was grotesque. After watching the game, I refused to buy it. (“choice” at work I know) I couldn’t play something that was just that vile. The old games weren’t that bad. You knew there was a real enemy — nazis. Even the earlier Modern Warfare version wasn’t that bad. But they’ve grown progressively worse.

          A child who is unstable or comes from a horrible home life and has no good stable moral upbringing, will take that violence and replicate it in real life. No one taught him to express his anger in healthy ways, so he expresses it in the only way he’s accustomed to — violence.

          All of these mass murderers have been relatively young. Teens to college age.

          • Amy

            We seem to agree, but the government clamping down on anything & everything they deem violent isn’t going to help. I’ve had progressives tell me I’m horrible for reading the Bible and Bible ‘stories’ to my children because it’s a violent book. THAT is what I fear when I start up on my soap box for 1st Amendment rights.

            The rest of this issue resides in personal responsibility. The shooters made the personal choice to pick up the weapon they did and walk down and commit evil atrocities. Perhaps some of them where on drugs (legal or not) that made their thinking process whacked. Perhaps some had personality disorders. Perhaps some had parents who didn’t give a rat’s rear end and therefore never taught morality and right from wrong. In the end, it still doesn’t change the fact that the shooters themselves committed the act. Those that didn’t kill themselves should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. We are creatures of free will and therefore responsible for our actions.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        You and Amy both make very valid points. I agree with both sides. We simply cannot have the government censoring but we must have people be responsible and self regulate.

    • stage9

      I don’t think the issue is whether you can or cannot buy it. The issue is: IS VIDEO GAME VIOLENCE CONTRIBUTING TO CHILDREN SHOOTING CHILDREN?

      And the answer is YES!

      You can’t feed your mind on violence and expect to come out the other end virtuous. Why do you suppose so many soldiers have issues returning from war? They are constantly inundated with violence on the battle field and just because they come home doesn’t mean the war goes away. The war is still waging in their heads. Some to the extent that they can’t cope in society anymore.

      Teaching children to shoot and kill someone using a MILITARY OR GUN SIMULATOR is immoral. We should be teaching children responsibility and the proper respect for guns, not teaching them that it’s a toy. We also need to be teaching them how to handle their problems sensibly and morally and not solving their problems through violence.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      I have an issue with it not on 1st Amendment grounds but simple decency grounds. None of our rights will remain intact if we devolve into cave men.

  • Sober_Thinking

    Sickening. Animals.

  • sDee

    It is all moot. We have been set up in a well laid plan. Obama plans a backdrop of children to announce his dictates on guns.

    With many sites reporting it will include “assault weapons” ban and magazine restrictions, it is clear we live in a dictatorship. And over half of America will be OK with that.

    None of this matters.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      Unfortunately you are correct…except it does matter a great deal.

  • MiketheMarine

    I have no doubt that there will be a video game that allows you to kill some other pres. before the month is out. Guaranteed.

    • Biggbear52

      Like they did with President Bush!

      • MiketheMarine

        Exactly

  • Watchman74

    These sort of things are best ignored.

    • Biggbear52

      with that attitude: which train to the camp would you have been on with hands to face hiding like the wea frightened child.

  • BeyondPolls

    So…like…I thought gunphobic people didn’t like guns…

  • celestiallady

    Kinda hypocritical if you ask me. What an idiot he is to make this game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

    Keep blaming video games, and you will NEVER see another young person join the Conservative cause. Video games were many of our childhoods. So keep alienating the younger population (which many Conservatives are SOOOO good at doing), and you will virtually guarantee this party dies out…

    • Biggbear52

      spoken like a true zombicrat you go insane one, you go!

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

        Yeah yeah…I’m a Democrat, Liberal, Communist, etc. I’ve heard it all…

        The fact is, I AM THE ONE saying that EVERY ADULT has their own freedoms. Freedom to own whatever firearm they want, watch whatever movie they way, play whatever game they want, etc.

        I am ALSO the one saying it is the PARENTS’ responsibility to raise their own children properly, and to restrict their children from being exposed to these “dangerous” elements if that’s what needs to be done.

        YOU are the one suggesting that these types of media are EVIL, and that YOU know best and as such these types of games and movies should be removed from society.

        Who among the two of us actually stands for MORE freedoms??? Yeah…thought so…

        • Biggbear52

          No young fella you haven’t The problem is that you go out of your way to make light of it. And that to your own undoing.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            You’re not making any sense. And quit with the age thing…we know you’re old as dirt, and you know exactly what the dinosaurs REALLY looked like, etc…but that doesn’t make you smarter than us, nor does it make your arguments any more legitimate than ours…

            • Biggbear52

              There’s that infamous and very youthful ignant arrogance again. That slow boat is loading hurry baby bot hurry! Truth hurts don’t it pitcher. To bad ya’ll never learned to catch. So get your freak punk assd out of my country. You have no respectful concern for it. You are a product of what us good folk despise! Go with God. Oh wait you don’t believe him either do you. To your demise once again when he is ready.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                WHAT are you talking about?!? LOL! Man, your brain has seriously derailed dude!

                A. I’m a veteran (so screw you dude)
                B. I’m Catholic
                C. I’m NOT a “punk ass”…I can assure you of that
                D.

                You are a product of what us good folk despise!

                GOOD FOLK?!? You have been condescending and arrogantly rude to EVERY SINGLE PERSON in here except for the ones that 100% agreed with you. You are NOT “good folk”…
                E. I’m Catholic, and I MOST-DEFINITELY believe in God. I also believe in freedom, which you do not.

                • Biggbear52

                  Easy to say hard to prove. What division were you and what unit. I have personally never met one Veteran who would speak of his/ Her country in the manor you do. I personally served in the U.S Calvary from 1977 to 81’ while serving under Patton’s grandson George S. the third. Seventh Calvary and the 1-10th group and later went to every corner of this globe. There is nothing I wouldn’t do for this land of mine.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Before I answer you: How did I speak ill of my country? Please…enlighten me…otherwise, go away.

                • Biggbear52

                  I am not going to explain you own words to you. You spoke them you live them. Though I will say this. No one but God almighty has the right to incite anything. So when one accepts an oppressive assault, regardless of how subtle you have in essence, GIVEN UP! The word you is in generality not specific!

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  You can’t provide even ONE iota of proof that I did so, because I WOULD NEVER speak ill of America (the country I served). You, Sir, are exceptionally annoying, and not nearly as educated as you seem to think you are…

                • Biggbear52

                  I call them as I see them Brian. Sorry you do not remember or have the intestinal fortitude to look up your very own words. As far as annoying, I do not care! I care about this Country and my Fellow American’s. It’s sovereignty. I care about who and what is allowed in or out for that matter. So do not defend anyone whom would go out of their way to do anything that would harm anyone born of this soil. That include moron’s like this video making putz whom does not care about HUMAN LIFE!

              • stage9

                Dude, take a deep breath and regroup. You’re among friends here and most of us will probably agree with the same things. Just relax and chill. We’ve all had our moments of outburst. I did last week, lol. Just take a step back and relax.

                • Biggbear52

                  First of all I am not DUDE that term to me is highly offensive. Secondly when I hear things being said about my country, whoever said it best be willing to back up with fact. If fact cannot be produced. Then them is fighting words. When people bad mouth my fellow American graciously FREE land I will call a spade, spade. So now that, that is clear perhaps we are on the same page. A lot of us on here took oaths. By God stand by them

                • stage9

                  “Biggbear52″ and you’re not a dude? OK. I can respect that.

                  Hey, I can understand your frustrations. Trust me, a lot of us feel the same way. You’re among like-minded folks.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  WHO said ANYTHING bad about “your country”?!? I’m STILL waiting on proof “bubba”…

                • Biggbear52

                  As I am still waiting for when what where and with whom you served. You want answer from me, then give answer when asked. That is how it works. As far as disrespectful. That entirely remains to be seen

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  What do you mean “remains to be seen”…you have clearly illustrated how disrespectful you are…and I’m not going to attempt to “prove” my military qualifications to you, since most people on here already know about them (and I’m not really too concerned about your opinion of me).

                • Biggbear52

                  Your opinion of me is at best, insignificant as is most of ours towards others. What matters is how we protect the innocents around us. This guy doing the video is a pedophile at best at worst. I doubt any of us want to think of. I say pedophile because he knows kids will see this and think it perhaps cool. In reality it is despicable and loathsome. As far as the Military thing. Thanks for proving my point. So much for blood in mud huh Bubba Have you seen the very recent stats from the southern border. Crime on it and across is on the definite climb. It is guys like this putz that make video’s depicting MUDRER that think the recent crime rise is cool. If you were truly in the service then you know the fanaticism that it takes to deceive at every turn. This drone is doing no less than that. That Brian is my whole point. You presumable defended this Country. Then defend against the like of that sorry sack. It is all our duties to do so. Are we clear??

                • Biggbear52

                  This guy has the kind of nads I am speaking of. He just put his entire career on the line because he “ DID THE RIGHT THING” NO MATTER WHAT!

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2rRSUEaLKvA Please view it

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            You’re not making any sense. And quit with the age thing…we know you’re old as dirt, and you know exactly what the dinosaurs REALLY looked like, etc…but that doesn’t make you smarter than us, nor does it make your arguments any more legitimate than ours…

        • Biggbear52

          No young fella you haven’t The problem is that you go out of your way to make light of it. And that to your own undoing.

        • Biggbear52

          My guess would be that you think Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Delano were really hep cats huh bubba ? or is it the other end of the tyrannical spectrum and you wish you could visit Count Vlad of Carpathia. Perhaps the raids of Quantrill are more your speed while fleeing the scene of the mass extermination of no less than 1500 women and children simply because they were in his way. Or perhaps we come closer to the twentieth century and you can sit in the Oval office and help Franky Delano plan the attack on his own soil. No before you call me out on this, check it out for yourself. Be sure to search all available informant at your very fingertips. Or lets just send you to the north tip of Korea and see how long your mouth lasts!Nah you wouldn’t do that. That would be reality and your severely afraid of that.!Arnet you?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            Wow…you don’t have a respectful bone in your body…you’re not even making sense anymore. And by the way “BUBBA”, you’re not the only veteran on this website, nor is your opinion the only one that deserves to be heard (as much as you might like to think so).

            • Biggbear52

              There is virtually not a doubt in my 50 + decade aging body that it is most certainly the other way around. Your every word dictates precisely what I posted and ya dad gum well know it. So pack your bags and join Piers on that slow boat to Korea. They do like you type of folks. Apparently ya’ll make good subjects! Have fun.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                Talking about me being a “subject”, and yet YOU are the one DICTATING to people what is and is not acceptable in society!!! YOU, Sir, are insane!!!

                • Biggbear52

                  Define “INSANE” and do it without using the use of your ipod or some sort of. Use, if you are able, what the good Lord gave you.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  Insanity: Repeating actions of the past, while expecting different results.

                  Attempts to restrict people’s Freedom of Speech has been tried before, and it never worked out well. All those attempted resulted with America HOLDING Freedom of Speech SO DEAR to our souls because we understand that once it can be “defined” and “restricted” and “shaped” by “concerned citizens”, we are no longer free…

                  And, while I don’t have an IPOD, I also don’t understand what purpose it would have in helping me answer your question.

                  So, please, explain to the rest of the class what an IPOD is, and how exactly it would have helped me answer your question. And, lastly, do so without being an absolute TOOL…

                • Biggbear52

                  Now take a moment and think of what this Nazi regime in Washington is doing. That dictatorial regimes throughout the world have attempted especially the Japanese and German’s of WWII. Isn’t that insanity Brain? Isn’t it insane treason to forcibly make and entire Nation and its people indefensible with virtually no hope of survival. How about you ask the current 2254 people held in custody for no other reason than their opinion. I am speaking of American citizen that you have never heard of and you are supposed to. That is how severe this issue is. Every day this Nazi party is making over 4250 laws making it impossible for us NOT to be guilty of some federal law. Because they are extremely scared of us. A people able to stand up and say is a danger to the totalitarian way, to the Kingship. Which by the way Odildo has already hinted at doing come 2016 so his family will be of royal blood by self-proclamation. Look it up. I actually the pauperized son of a Kenyan communist dog say it. It is also in all three of his books! It is also in every single word and action he and his minions do illegally. Not one thing since his first placement is legal. NOT ONE. Because Brian, we have been with out a signed budget. The fast and Furious thing proved him a treasonous son of commie. He does not want any freedom. This is because the power that be want utter obedient drone. Look up your history of WWI and WWII especially the Nazi Bible “MINE CAMPH” this oval office robber is following it almost to a tee. Verbatum!

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  I already know this…what does that have to do with the current topic?

                • Biggbear52

                  It has everything to do the current topic as it is it’s core. The Nazi’s went out of the way, way out, to take any possible freedom, especially that of opinion to progress they’re global attempt of domination. That is at the fore front of communist indoctrination. As is mass brain washing by way of school kids. This in effect takes any remote individuality out of said subject to the point they are oblivious to speak out for they know they will be killed. Our school were forced into indoctrination camps on January 5th 1979 when Jimmy Carter implemented the National Education system. The media spends 100% of their time spinning every story to either bolster the left or demonize the right to push and agenda into the minds of those that listen.
                  “WHEN YOU TELL A LIE, TELL IT LONG ENOUGH. SOON THE MASSES WILL BELIEVE IT AS TRUTH. Any idea who might have made that statement. Muhammad over 600 years ago. The Muslim have been forcing that down the throats of the Middle east ever since. It is now the main frame of the American communist.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

                  The Nazi’s went out of the way, way out, to take any possible freedom, especially that of opinion

                  Hmmm…”taking any possible freedoms” kindof like the Democrats trying to ban guns, and you trying to ban video games…

                  And AGAIN, I already know about the NAZI’s, and the Middle East, and Communism…I know you have such little respect for ANYBODY other than yourself that you automatically assume we are all ridiculously young idiots that would be zombies if it weren’t for your good graciousness to “train us” properly, but that is far from being accurate.

                  You criticized me, claiming that I put down our country. You STILL haven’t shown me a SINGLE TIME when I did so, but you are still yapping like you have. I have no intention, nor inclination, to carry on a conversation with you. That being said, I would LOVE to hear your “proof” that I badmouthed America, which you are somehow using as your permission to become Billy Bad-As*…

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
                • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

                  When you figure out what Bear is talking about will you explain it to me please? I read that whole thread twice….

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones

            Wow…you don’t have a respectful bone in your body…you’re not even making sense anymore. And by the way “BUBBA”, you’re not the only veteran on this website, nor is your opinion the only one that deserves to be heard (as much as you might like to think so).

    • Biggbear52

      Your favorite annoyance is back :0 :) :) he he he he

  • 57thunderbird

    I’m sorry.Who is it that is promoting gun violence?The right?I’m so confused.

    • Biggbear52

      Was that direct sarcasm?

      • 57thunderbird

        Yes it was.

  • stage9

    Nawwwww….I’m an idiot to suggest that violent video games contribute to cultural violence.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tracy.mitchell.9421450 Tracy Mitchell

    They are so blind by their anger they can’t see the hypocrisy. That’s just like a smoker telling their kid not to smoke.

    • Biggbear52

      All the while dragging the innocent down with them.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      This ex-smoker did indeed tell their kid not to smoke. Threatened her within an inch of her life. Why? Because my smoker parents took the same stance you posted and I wished they hadn’t. I wished they had threatened me.

      It’s that old parenting phrase…”Do as I say not as I do!” ;)

      And it worked!

  • 57thunderbird

    This is not your typical violent video game.Those games have nameless faceless targets.This game is promoting violence against one private citizen.Namely Mr La Pierre.If any harm should befall him as a result,this game designer should be held responsible.

    • Biggbear52

      BING FREAKING GOSKI’S Thunderbird. by the way great year for that car.

  • stage9

    Parody Video Shines Light on Celebrities ‘Demand a Plan’ Gun Control PSA
    http://www.gunsandammo.com/2013/01/03/parody-video-shines-light-on-celebrities-demand-a-plan-gun-control-psa/

    • 57thunderbird

      That was great.

    • 57thunderbird

      That was great.

    • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Stewie

      Even with the bountiful hypocrisy, it was hard to tolerate watching the self-righteous stalwarts of moral authority for those half second intervals at a time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

    Brian Jones: “Wow…you have a LOT of anger and hatred in you. Perhaps YOU should not play video games, but that probably has more to do with the underlying mental instability…

    The ONLY time I raise my voice, swear, or speak out like that is when people are being verbally abusive to another member (which you were to Stewie). After I called you out on it, you then began to be verbally abusive to me. You continue to do so. So…good day to you…”

    Don’t tell people how to post. And most importantly learn to communicate properly without trying out some veteran trump card on me and we will get along just fine. Develop your intellect by putting down your video games or don’t blog. Your posts speak for themselves. Claiming verbal abusiveness is what people do when they have nothing else. You never addressed not one point I made and inferred things I never ever said replete with assumptions. Your emotionalism is not a defense.

    • Biggbear52

      Laurel aren’t you rather you rather making an extremely god poster for the topic here. You are virtually TELLING this young man that he hasn’t the right t speak. Really and who are you EVE in the flesh? or just some wench with a wannabe third leg??

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

        What in the heck are you talking about? And no I never said he didn’t have the right to speak. Where did you English? Grammar? Sentence structure? And that crap you flung at Amy was ridiculous.

        So tell us little bear…do you l=always resort to misogynist condescension because you don’t have two brain cells? Is it all women you hate or just people in general?

  • Biggbear52

    This folks is what our freedom are entirely about. Any questions?

  • Biggbear52

    This folks is what our freedom are entirely about. Any questions?

  • Godisright

    Wow! And if this were the president, the FBI would be all over it,

    • Biggbear52

      As well as the NAACP, the State media and God knows who else. However when it was George Bush the same media made jest of it.

  • keninil

    Looks like this game might be great for self-selection of mental defectives.

  • Biggbear52

    Had some decent conversation here and was called some pretty harsh things. Yet here we are discussing something that in most countries would have us standing before a firing squad or much worse. So i aint sure about you people but i am super proud to live in a place where that is possible and there is hundreds of thousand currently serving that have made that possible for us all.

  • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

    That’s just like liberals, fascists, and communists. Demand gun control and if anybody disagrees with you, then shoot them. Now you know why we NEED a Second Amendment. To protect ourselves from people like this.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

      O/T

      Is your handle in regards to the Liberty Ships like the Jeremiah O’Brien that were the worker bees during WWII?

      • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

        You bet! Very good catch on your part Laurel. Not many people today know about the old Liberty Ships, let alone what they did during World War II. Given all of the men and supplies that needed to be moved literally all over the world during that war, the conflict probably could not have been won without them. True unsung heroes of an almost forgotten war. Thanks for noticing it!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

          We have one here in San Francisco called the Jeremiah O’Brien that my husband and I support. It comes out Fleet Week and does certain events, etc. It is fully restored and operational. It’s amazing. My husband serves on it when they do certain things and I have toured it many times.

          The new WWII museum in New Orleans has a section dedicated to the Liberty Ships.

          • http://navalwarfare.blogspot.com/ Libertyship46

            Hold on, you and your husband are conservatives who live near San Francisco? Well God bless you two. Don’t know how you survive that. I’ve been on the O’Brien and she’s a fine ship. When I went on board, a tour guide told me that some shots of her engines were used in the movie “Titanic,” because they used the same type of engines (although Titanic’s were far larger). Also, the ship is in great shape. We need A LOT more ships like her as naval museums, because far too many young people today don’t have much of a clue when it comes to our vast naval heritage as a nation. America was literally built by the sea and we became a powerhouse when it came to trade because of our merchant ships. To have this heritage slip away from us would not only be sad, but it would do a disservice to all the people who built up our once-vast merchant fleet and powerful Navy. Ships like the O’Brien keep that history alive for future generations, and we need that now more than ever. Many thanks to you and your husband, Laurel, for helping to keep that history alive.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/44F4AB4VSCTOCHBMBG4ZWWD5OU Laurel

              Yep. We live in the belly of the beast. You are correct in that people have no clue what it took to get the fleet up and running after Pearl Harbor…what was left of it that is. We should be turning the mothball fleet into floating museums as well as much of Richmond and Vallejo. I bet Californians are clueless at just how much of the Navy was built here to fight the war in the Pacific. I know Bay Area residents are! Just as we had Rosie the Riveter, my grandmother was Wendy the Welder, and she was an expert welder at that including underwater. She would work in Vallejo and Richmond during the week while the kids stayed with Grandma and come home on the weekends. The men asked her welding advice for the rest of her life. She had a knack for it to say the least. I remember her teaching my Dad and brother how to weld.

              You are so correct about the O’Brien. Come out for fleet week and you will see her running in the parade of ships. She is absolutely awesome to be on when she is going full bore.

  • Conniption Fitz

    MEANWHILE – the NRA has developed a decent shooting game that is about skill and not about fantasy murder like the usual violent dark horror video games.

    The NRA is about responsible use of guns for hunting and self-defense.

    America has a gang problem and a dark violent media problem, an addiction problem and an irresponsible parent problem.

    America does not have a gun problem.

  • 12grace

    “If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.”

    “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”
    Adolph Hitler
    Chancellor, Germany, 1933

  • stage9

    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Airport Massacre Scene

    Call of Duty 3 Club Massacre Scene

  • PatrickHenrysBody

    Children have impressionable minds. Young children cannot separate fantasy from reality. Remember the whole zombie attack garbage that the media was spewing out? How about all these shows about vampires and werewolves? Children don’t have to be watching the shows to learn about these things, they just hear people talking about them. However, to young children, these things become real to them because they haven’t learned or been told that they aren’t real. It’s takes persistence to hammer it out of their heads that vampires, werewolves, zombies, etc. aren’t real. Some video games promote those things and more. Children process the information from those games and base their conclusions on what the game promotes.

    I don’t believe video game companies are to blame for violence that occurs because they are consumer-driven and operate on the premise that only those over a certain age will purchase their games and play them. They know this to not be true, but they will not change the content of their games to fit every scenario or situation in the world. That would be an impossible task. There are ratings on games for a reason. It is not the video game creator’s responsibility to regulate the purchasing habits of those who buy their games. It is up to the individual purchasing the game to exercise his/her judgment in regards to what is and what isn’t appropriate. It’s just that people don’t exercise good judgment. We all have been guilty of that at one time or another.

    Where does the problem lie? The parents? There are many parents who are doing a fine job in bringing their children up to be fine, decent adults who are self-sufficient. Some try the best they can and hope their kids turn out right. Still more are at their wits’ end because they have one or two wayward souls that are a point of contention and frustration.

    How about the children? Some children have only one parent. Some don’t have any at all and are bumped from pillar to post, never really knowing what it’s like to be part of a real family. Some are in violent street gangs and are conditioned to think that stealing, raping, killing, etc. are okay. Yes, many, many more are psychologically damaged or deficient. Sure, more money can always be spent on care for needy, neglected, and mentally ill children. Money from where? Our government is broke and on the verge of bankruptcy. Perhaps money from community or religious organizations? Voluntary contributions? A kind stranger? That will only go so far because it’s looking like more and more of us are traveling down the same financial road as the government. Tighter regulations? Stricter controls? Sure, but then we inch closer to totalitarianism because all that is being done is the regulating of behavior and the exercising of more control over people’s lives, which ends up solving nothing. Tougher laws and regulations have not worked in the case of illegal drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography, and the list goes on and on. As long as there are people who want to use illegal drugs, drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, watch pornography, and play video games; there will always be the resulting problems that arise out of such behavior and exercise of judgment.

    My advice to those parents who feel that violent video games, movies, and TV programs are contributing to violence in the country and don’t want their child to become the next mass-murderer: don’t buy them. Don’t watch them. Don’t let your children play them. Don’t let your children watch them. Lead by example. Explain to your children why they cannot play a certain video game or watch a certain movie or program. Stand firm. Let your yes mean yes and your no, no. Your rules apply to them, as long as they live under your roof, no matter how old they are. After they are out of your house, they can do whatever they want and make their own decisions. Hopefully, will do the right thing and follow the good examples you have set.

    In regards to the children who have absentee parents or no parents at all: God help them. Maybe there will be someone in their lives who comes along and teaches them how to live a decent life. Maybe there will be someone who comes along and instills them with fine values.

    That’s all I have to write. It’s just my opinion, take it or leave it. I really have no other solutions. I wish I did, but I honestly don’t.

  • tinlizzieowner

    Old ‘Nam’ Vets like me prefer this one. :-)
    http://www.owencounty.org/terror.html
    See if you can beat 30,000 ;-) Make that 39,500 ;-) ;-) Make that 42,000. ;-) ;-) ;-)

  • Biggbear52

    The first video game ever in America was PONG. Do any of you know what the second game was? I’ll give you a hint. It had violence in it. It was called donkey Kong and the advertisement for it depicted a monkey beating up everything in sight. Small children as young as 5 loved it. That was 1981. look where we are now. Are you absolutely sure you want to bet the life of your child on a game?? Or shall we say those that design them. Also remember not so long ago the Japanese were ordered by our own supreme court, to discontinue sending anime games filled with subliminal messaging negative to America in them. That has been less than twenty years folks. We could also touch on violent lyrics as well. Back in the late 90’s Ray Stevens, song writer and musician was sued to have his presumed insensitive song” JAPANESE RADIO” removed from the airwaves. Yet Ice t was able to sue and retain the playing of his song” COP KILLER’ advocating the hunting down and killing of police officers. Anyone care to disproves those facts??

  • Biggbear52

    One really needs to contemplate the FACT that by nature we are mimics. Meaning that we repeat what we see and hear. That is our mode of learning. So indoctrination is not difficult to achieve. Especially if it is intended!

  • kong1967

    It allows you to kill the NRA President……with a gun.

    ROFLMAO!!! Let’s just SHOOT all the people who don’t want to ban guns with the same guns we don’t want ANYONE ELSE TO HAVE !!!

    Them stupid mother effers can’t get an freaking more idiotic.

    They become what they claim to be protecting against.

  • http://twitter.com/WaiGuoGuizi 学中文的美国男人

    People who accuse the NRA of promoting violence making a video game with the express purpose of inciting murder.

    In related news: Anti-NRA activists are very tone deaf to irony.