Ugh! Pro-abortion ad uses little girls to say “vote for Obama” so I can have an abortion if I want to

This is deeply disturbing. Another fear-mongering ad exploiting little girls advocates for abortion by telling women to think like ‘moms’ and vote for Obama so that these little girls can choose to have an abortion one day if the want to (h/t: Life News):

The video is bad enough. Below the video is this explanation by the creator of the video which I find repulsive:

A few months before I was born, my grandmother got pregnant. She was well over 50, and had two grown up sons including my father. She did not want to have another child and she was scared for so many reasons including the baby’s health. But it was illegal to have an abortion so she had no choice. My grandmother had always wanted a little girl and she gave birth to one – my Aunt Felice. Felice was an adored child, dressed beautifully and doted on.

But Felice was born with Downs syndrome. I remember her because she was my age and we used to play together. I also remember her funeral. Because when Felice was 6, she died of Leukemia. Her death devastated my grandmother who was heartbroken and never fully the same. This is the kind of situation we’re facing if we elect government officials who are pro-life.

Please pass this video on especially to mothers of daughters who could very well face a similar situation if we don’t act and vote responsibly.

The famous Christian singer Rich Mullins, who died in the 90s, had a sister who gave birth to a special needs child that had a birth defect. Initially she was devastated wondering what she had done wrong to deserve this. But Rich called her after the baby was born and told her “I’m so proud of you, I’m proud that you are my sister.” She asked him “Why?” He told her in such a loving way “don’t you know that God only gives kids with special needs to special people that He knows can give them special love?”

That floored me when I heard her tell the story. Such a Godly perspective.

Rich Mullins also wrote a song about a special needs child who wasn’t supposed to be born. Her name was Madeline:


Madeline fusses and Madeline laughs
The angel who watches says, “Hey look at that”
There’s your faith, mountains will shake
Cuz God gladly bends just to hear Madeline when she prays

Madeline stretches and Madeline kicks
The angels in heaven say, “Hey look at this”
There’s your faith, mountains will shake
Cuz God gladly bends just to hear Madeline when she prays

And the only angels that I’ve ever seen
Look like tears on the face of the sky
Though it sure breaks your heart to see heaven all streaked up
With sorrows like theirs, still you know all the while
From where cobbles shine golden like emeralds shine green
From where gems stud the streets and the walls
God looks out a window at us just to see
If anything frail as a sparrow should fall

Madeline fusses and Madeline laughs
The angel who watches says, “Hey look at that”
There’s your faith (there’s your faith)
mountains will shake (mountains will shake)
God gladly bends just to hear Madeline when she prays

God gladly bends just to hear Madeline when she prays

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  • Using kids to push abortion is worse than selling girls Obama as their first sexual experience. I really didn’t think they could get any lower.

    • keyesforpres

      Isn’t that the truth and I see those black girls and think, you were Margaret Sanger’s target.

    • Cindy09

      What bothers me is: how can those kids’ parents tell them that they love them? What if one of the kid had a dispute with her parents? What would the parents tell her? “I hope I aborted you?”. This is cruel to little kids, to use them for politics and make them believe that abortion is such an “awesome” right. This is pure propaganda with a backdoor to child abuse…. not to mention with murder being the ultimate goal! Poor kids!!!

      • bobemakk

        Keep it up you fool Obama, you will LOSE big time.

    • Jazzee


    • bobemakk

      Just another nail in Obamas coffin like the favorability of gay marriage. However, the song in the second video proves one thing….think twice about abortion. What a nice song.

  • Tiffini

    I have a daughter and this is absolutely disturbing. What are these parents thinking? Can’t we just let our kids be kids. I’m just ugh. I don’t even know whether to mad or sad.

    • PurpleBoomer

      I think mostly sad but so, so, so horrifying. I, too, have daughters and when I showed my middle girl this disgusting ad, she is as horrified as I am. To use little girls to promote an agenda that they couldn’t possibly understand is beyond despicable. I agree with Stewie, I didn’t think they could get any lower than that nasty first time video, I have proven wrong! smh!

      • warpmine

        Lower than whale dung at the lowest point on the planet.

      • Jazzee

        sad and angry….what the heck is wrong with these people????
        these are children

    • sDee

      This is dark and powerful reinforcement advertising. It provides rationalization to avoid guilt and remorse for decisions made in the past. It provides the rationalization to twist abortion into an intellectual and moral high ground, while demonizing those who would challenge thier superiority in claiming it.

      • Jazzee

        it’s also very Marxist

      • famouswolf

        It certainly reinforces my disgust and loathing for democrats and anything left.

        They need extinctifying.

    • warpmine

      …………and have sex with anyone at all including adults of any age. Because we know they can make the right decision regarding sexual activity.

      Makes you sick doesn’t it?

      • ColoradoTim

        Yep. That’s exactly what they are getting at. The creators of this ad want the sex without the consequences. And it doesn’t matter what the age. From this ad, they seem to be getting more blatant about it. Even minor children are fair game for these despicable predators.

  • tshtsh

    I wonder do they thank their mothers for making the right or wrong choice?

    • warpmine

      Thinking the same thing.


    … this exploitation of the innocence is the last straw that will break OBAMA’s chance of returning to the Oval Office for it is certain that Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his minions in his REGIME are ,


    Romney will also WIN because the G-d of Abraham will answer ALL OUR PRAYERS .”

    • Did God answer prayers in the last election? Remember, there are a lot of very fervent Black Christians – did they pray harder than you?
      Or is your god getting kinda feeble? Remember, the Islamists have the same god, just the new improved version.

      • warpmine


      • 3seven77

        “Remember, the Islamists have the same god, just the new improved version.”

        Frank, I truly feel sorry for you. You have made a fool of yourself with this comment. You clearly have no clue about the differences between the ‘god’ worshipped by islam and the True God of Christianity and Judasim.

        You may want to do some actual research before you post again and display your ignorance to anyone else.

      • Galatiansch2vs20

        Yes, God did. He answered no to prayers McCain would win.

        Fervent true Christians would not have prayed for a man (Obama) to become President who is pro-abortion, even pro-letting babies born alive despite an attempted abortion die if the doctor so desires, who is for advancing special rights for homosexuals, and who hung out with an unrepentant terrorist.

        The Lord of heaven and earth, who made you, Frank, is all-powerful and you will be judged by Him after the number of days He appointed for you to live is over in this world. Be advised, the god of Islam is a false god. There is no god besides the Lord God.

      • Sorry Frank but the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob is NOT the allah moon god of Arabia. God Almighty, the Alpha, Omega, the Beginning and the End, the Word, the Same God who came as Immanuel, God with us, God the Son, who will Come again is NOT the moon god, and He is not improved upon by men. The Creator Lord of lords and King of kings is the same as He was in the Beginning, the same today as He will be the same forevermore. He is Jesus Christ, the Lord, whom every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. He is the Truth, the Life and the only Way to God the Father.
        I pray you will know Him.

  • Suzyqpie

    Weak Democrat women, govt must pay/resolve/deal-with the consequences of the choices I have made. Strong Republican women, get out of my way, I am prepared to deal with the consequences of the choice that I gave made, I don’t need you, want you, or require your interference in the lucrative path that I have chosen. When I pulled the trigger on my choices, I prepared to deal with the consequences. Nothing is “free.” Quit, please Democrats, Nothing Is Free. Somebody else pays is not a plan.

    • WordsFailMe

      Well said!

  • Chaitealover

    Disgusting, there is no other word but disgusting. What is WRONG with those people? Little girls shouldn’t even know what the word abortion means [actually, they probably have no idea it means to kill your baby before it’s born, they’re probably taught that it means to get rid of tissue in your body].

    Thank God Republicans teach their daughters to think with their brain instead of their vaginas. There’s more to life than recreational sex with whoever happens along.

  • you are disgusting. what if Felice was normal? Just disgusting and circular argument for murder. and FYI — GET IT THRU YOUR FAT LIBERAL HEADS — NO ONE IS TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO MURDER YOUR BABIES, IF YOU WANT TO. NO ONE. GET IT? STUPID SCARE TACTIC DOES NOT WORK

    • warpmine

      Tim Tebow

  • SKL53

    Obama wants to give babies birth controL!!! GIVE BIRTH CONTROL TO SASHA…see how the OBUMA’s like it!!!

    • Orangeone

      Sharia for the Barky Boy girls!

  • degeme

    So Felice was born with Downs syndrome and her six years should never have been? The creator of the ad thinks it would have been better for Felice to never have been born at all? How very sad for the memory of a little girl`s life of six years to be wished away as if it never happened. The video is disturbing and to the little girls I say….There but for the grace of God……

    • Ditto! It’s amazing how fools believe they can speak on the dead’s behalf. That girl may have been very happy while alive. And here are people who just don’t want to support those who aren’t able to support themselves. As a Republican, I don’t want to support those who are able to support themselves but refuse to. There’s a BIG difference!

      • keyesforpres

        Well said. Also, every Down syndrome child I have ever met was very happy and oh so loving.

        • True, it seems like Downs syndrome children open our eyes to a huge capacity for affection. Truly loving parents are thankful for the opportunity to experience the ups and downs of a special child; it teaches us as a society compassion. Those who have lost their compassion can speak of abortion as if it were a normal function. God help our nation.

      • degeme

        Evidently the niece of Felice, who was the creator of the ad did not have a positive view of Felice. Maybe she was jealous. Says a lot for her that she feels that a little girl she once played with should never have been born. Liberal women who want abortion on demand and our government to pay for it may find themselves living under a government someday that forces them to have an abortion.

        • iHeartLife

          Like in China.

          • degeme

            Exactly! some people should be careful what they wish for.

    • 3seven77

      “Felice was an adored child, dressed beautifully and doted on.

      This child, in spite of her disability, was loved and cared about. If not, why would she be dressed beautifully, doted on and why would her mother be devasted and heartbroken when she died?

      Clearly the creator of this horrible ad did not bother to ask her own grandmother if she thought Felice should have been aborted. I think he/she already knows the answer.

      It is beyond disturbing to see someone using this child’s life and death to promote their own agenda.

      • degeme

        Absolutely! I agree with you wholeheartedly! I think Felice`s mother would be devastated over the crass political agenda Felice`s story was used for. I can`t decide which I find more disturbing..those little girls being used to push an abortion agenda or Felice`s story being used as an example of why there should be abortion on demand.

  • shield1

    Liberals is not the correct term… its Marxists, that is who we are fighting. When I was a child in the 50 my father told me their philosophy… ‘The end justified the means.’ Here they seek to demoralize us and destroy our moral foundation.

    • keyesforpres

      Exactly. David Horowitz said it a year ago or so, “There is nothing liberal about liberals except drugs and sex.”

    • warpmine

      “Liberals is not the correct term… its Marxists, that is who we are fighting. When I was a child in the 50 my father told me their philosophy… ‘The end justified the means.’ Here they seek to demoralize us and destroy our moral foundation.”

      No, I think Satanist should be a better term.

  • Wow… that is pretty offensive. I hope they are running this in every swing state.

    • keyesforpres

      Oh dear, didn’t think I’d be able to laugh on this thread!

  • 911Infidel

    “But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” – Matthew 18:6

  • WhiteGuy2

    WTF! ………………….

    They should be thanking their mothers for not aborting them! In fact, under Obama its never to late to abort a child, or a rescue mission to Libya. Under Obama we are all expendable.

  • The joke’s on that little girl. If her mother exercised her right to have an abortion, that little girls would never have been born and could never have made that commercial! Just like that joke Dennis Miller said a few weeks ago. Liberals are all for “cradle to grave” entitlements. The trick is getting TO the cradle to begin with.

  • WordsFailMe

    Screw the libs and their spawn. You might say these young ladies are the perfect example of what happens when a mother chooses life. But that concept is far over the heads of liberals. Irony is wasted on the moronic selfish entitled and arrrogant bastrds. Even a muslim wouldn’t waste spit on a Democrat.

    Could some really creative, loving person do a video featuring actresses portraying aborted daughters and what they might have said had they survived their mother’s “choice?”

  • tvlgds

    That is one of the most reprehensible things I’ve ever seen. Kids that age shouldn’t even know the TERM abortion!

  • Is there never an end to this president’s depravity???? Dear Lord, let’s bring Mitt home to victory.

  • swimkin

    If you are a practicing Christian you should NOT be voting for Obama or anyone else who does not support life from conception until natural death.

    From Luke Chapter 23 Vs. 28-31
    Jesus was on his way to the cross when he said this:

    “Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ Then they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
    and to the hills, “Cover us!”’ For if men do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?

    Jesus is speaking of the greenwood (child in utuero) and the dry (elderly). If abortion is to be promoted than Euthanasia will soon follow. Seems to me that Obama promotes both. Obamacare will be implemeting euthanasia next.

  • I’m sorry I just can’t do it. I watched about half of it. I just finished praying for America, the first of many prayers, and I see this. This is what is wrong with our nation. I pray God will help these little girls to know that as a MOM, I would vote for LIFE, which includes their own. As a Father in heaven, I pray these little girls and their moms would know that He loves them, He adores them, and He adored them before they were known. My heart weeps for America.

    • WordsFailMe

      Too bad the Mayo Clinic is not set up to conduct a twenty year study on these girls to determine what the effect is of including your children in a commercial promoting murder as if it were the same as choosing one pair of socks over another?

      What kind of adults do such as these become? Flukes? Wassermans? Hillaries?

      • God help us is all I can say. This tears my heart out.

        • TitaniumEagle

          This ad has, unfortunately; had a stronger [negative] impact on me than any other. How could anyone EVER want to vote for Obama after seeing this? It truly makes me want to cry.

          • Well said. I hope it has a negative impact on many independent voters who see it. Thank you TitaniumEagle.
            I wish it were a better place, but welcome to TheRightScoop.

            • TitaniumEagle

              After tonight, I certainly hope [and believe] that it will be a better place. Thanks for the welcome (:

      • sDee

        Sadly, they are the study results. This is the fruit borne from 40+ years of plowing the strength, compassion, nurturing and beauty of femininity, into “feminism”.

  • Sick, sick, sick! I only wish that his mother had believed in it!!!

    • WordsFailMe

      I think its mother probably lived in a coven during its gestation.

    • Orangeone

      His mother wanted the welfare benefits and intentionally chose minorities to lay with fror the Affirmative Action benefits.

  • “Mom, make sure to vote for the guy who will protect your right to murder me.”

    This just shows you how selfish and thoroughly bereft of rational thought abortionists are.

  • Not4TheGimmeParty

    Right in line with the Demoralcrats—had enough of these people.

  • toongoon

    I think it’s quite possible that grandma would have been devastated, heartbroken, and never fully the same if she’d had the abortion. This guy is whacko.

  • NYGino

    Pro choice. I hate that term. They can’t even say what it really is…pro death.

    • in commie new-speak, “pro-choice” means: “no choice, only abortion”.
      Like FuBar Ack’s: “we created 5 million jobs” really means: we lost 5 mln jobs, or his “unemployment wend down to 7.8%” means: it went up 7.8% three times (approaching 25%), etc.
      Orwellian speak……have you seen how many idiots applauded those lies???
      S H A M E

  • …….oh, you little girl…………… might had been aborted, or, like Whoopi told us she did, scraped out with a wire hanger.
    Perverted libs are so, aah, liberal………….
    S H A M E

  • The creator’s reasoning behind his ad makes me sick. Basically he’s saying it would have been better if his aunt with DS had never been born. That her six years of life meant nothing.

    I have a brother with DS, and he’s about to turn 52. My mother was 18 when he was born. Children with special needs are born to people of all ages. Perfectly ‘normal’ children get leukemia. Yes, there is increased risk of birth defects as you get older, and everyone hopes that her child will be perfect, but the message this man is sending is that people born with disabilities have no worth. When my mother passes away, I will be the one to take care of my brother, and even though I’m sure there will be times when I find it difficult I’ll be glad he’s still here.

    • Patriot077

      That is what normal families do. Only these godless marxists believe their “liberalness” is an adequate solution. They are so open minded their brains have fallen out.

      This ad is disgusting and it makes me sick too.

    • 3seven77

      God Bless you and your brother Kate. 🙂

  • TexasEnforcer

    Damn!!!! That’s all I can say.

  • BeyondPolls

    This is disgusting. It shows the Left’s war on special needs people.

    • keyesforpres

      Precisely, and under ObamaNOcare they would get zero medical care.

      • BeyondPolls

        Yeah. The Nazis loved to experiment on special needs people.

  • It bothers me to the pit of my soul that someone as repulsive as this is able to live and thrive and make videos like this. God change this man’s heart or please take him off of the earth.

  • hramirez18

    these people passed the limit of nastiness

  • Malkiel_kol_hakavod_la_el

    The lunatics behind this ad should have been aborted……. Those words should have never been uttered by a child period…..

  • Thanks for calling attention to the Rich Mullins’ story and song. I know of Rich but did not know of this song.

  • Gel

    This ad is so wrong on so many levels. All life is precious of course. Having been around many individuals with Down Syndrome, I can truly say they are more valuable and contribute more to us “perfect” individuals than we ever give to them. Also as to the heartache of losing a child with DS experienced by the grandmother, it is no more or less painful than losing any child. It is heart wrenching in any situation. And finally, the pro abortionists never mention the horrible effects on the woman who chooses abortion. An OB doctor told me once that it has been his experience that those mothers are never the same. Besides…..who is talking about changing the current law???? Nobody but the scare mongering Democrats whose moral values are deplorable on this question.

  • Pablo

    Because when Felice was 6, she died of Leukemia. Her death devastated my grandmother who was heartbroken and never fully the same. This is the kind of situation we’re facing if we elect government officials who are pro-life.

    I lost a daughter to cancer at 5. I can’t conceive of any of her relatives wishing she’d never been born. Debra Kent is a degenerate.

    • Laurelfork

      I am very sorry for your loss.

    • keyesforpres

      I’m so sorry.

    • I’m sorry too Pablo for your incredible loss. I pray God’s peace and comfort for you.

  • sDee

    We should not be surprised at the face of evil.

  • Jaels_Song

    That is reprehensible.

  • Jaels_Song

    I want my grandchildren.

  • theresaaa

    That’s just sick !!
    I have 2 daughters and they will help vote Obama out of office tomorrow!

  • Medaton

    This has to be the sickest ad I have ever seen. It is so sad that our country has come to this.

    • Suzyqpie

      The Olympics of Sickest Ads Contest. I nominate The Life of Julia for the Gold. The war on women for the Silver. And The First Time for the Bronze.

  • Suzyqpie

    Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) “I regret that my Mother lacked the right to an abortion.”
    We’re thinking, we’re thinking. (hat tip NRO)

    • iHeartLife

      WTH? Because she regrets being born? Or she hates her siblings? That’s insane!

      • Suzyqpie

        Operative word there, iHeart, is insane. It permeates Maxine Waters (D-CA) to the very core of her being. She’s been a resident in Victimville for decades & can’t move out or on. Victimville town square has a giant magnet that keeps all of the victims in firm residence towing the party line. I’m a victim I’m a victim I’m a victim. Oh wait, Maxie, after years in govt you’re a millionaire, I’m a victim I’m a victim I’m a victim. It’s not Tourette’s, it’s ideology.

  • Rich Mullins still gives me chills.

  • Choice – So I can still have one.
    Is the consensus here that ALL abortion should be banned – life begins at conception?
    I assume that life of the mother should be allowed?
    Rape or Incest?
    How about variations on post-coitus birth control – banned or not?

    Pretty effective ad for women, and just the subtle code word – Choice.

    Please, where does Romney stand?

    • Choice…. ADOPTION, not murder. THAT’S choice.

    • Galatiansch2vs20

      Sadly, you still legally can participate in murdering unborn children in this country, though you still would break God’s law to do so and would be held to account by Him.

      There are people with varying views who post on here in regards to abortion. I believe the killing of human babies not yet born should be banned in all cases… and if the mother’s life is at risk, the doctors should put forth their best effort to save both moher and child, leaving the results to God.

      Romney states he is pro-life, but makes exceptions- such as in the case of rape and the life of the mother.

      • And the exception of incest as well…

        • Galatiansch2vs20

          I wondered about that.

    • iHeartLife
    • toongoon

      Romney stands at the podium before thousands and thousands of supporters, way more than Obama has produced in a week, oh OK, Springsteen brought in a few fans.

      Oh, you mean where does Romney stand on abortion. Sometimes he’s for it and sometimes he’s against it, we’ve been dealing with that for decades now with our presidential candidates.

      But where does Obama stand on it? Well he stands on killing babies anytime between fertilization and birth. No restrictions whatsoever. If a baby should have the audacity to remain alive after an abortion he wants it killed then too. When obamatax is fully implemented and knowing his blatant disregard for life I suppose we’ll looking at euthanasia for our elderly too. But why stop there? I’m sure there is a whole bunch more crap in that bill that nobody wants, even you, you just don’t know it yet. We had to pass it to find out what was in it and we still don’t know, it’s too big and the rules are still being written, 13,000 pages at last count.

      Is that close to the answer you were looking for?

      By the way, murder of the most innocent is not a choice, it’s just murder, even with lipstick.

      • Oh Yay! TOON!!!!! YAY!!!

      • We’re just a few steps behind China. What’s next, two year old children with autism? Since their vaccines are causing it, they can complete the job with disposing of the toddlers.

        You know, I think that we need to start a new tradition in the US. Conception day. We need to quit celebrating birth days. Maybe “creation day”. Celebrating birth days is just playing into the hands of these sickos by giving them a point at which to define the beginning of life, which is wholly inaccurate.

  • hventure22

    This may be one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen. How could you let your child do this?

  • sjmom

    Teaching a child in this manner is abhorrent.

  • Orangeone

    I hope these girls realize when Sharia law is instituted that it was their mother’s that did it

  • stage9

    I secretly believe God brought Rich Mullins home just so he could sing “Awesome God” to Him in person. A truly great song.

    This one isn’t bad either:
    Your Great Name

  • TitaniumEagle

    This is the most disgusting, deplorable and downright villainous political video/advertisement I have ever seen. Having lived during the Obama era (2008-2012, good riddance), that’s saying a lot. Using kids to push a political agenda (especially an agenda of murdering defenseless unborn children) is sickening — this is even worse than the video of the “Obama choir” children. I sincerely hope that this form of indoctrination isn’t slowly replacing our public ‘education’ system. What kind of mother would explain to her young daughter the concept of abortion and then tell her that it’s a good thing? What hypocrisy. “You should support legalized abortion so you can kill your children! By the way, you’re lucky I didn’t choose to use that ‘right’ or we wouldn’t be sitting here, discussing it.”

    I’d rant more but I need to run to the bathroom. Ugh.

  • Chicot

    Has anyone thought about what these girls are going to feel when they are old enough to really realize what they did when they made this video. May God have mercy on them and help them through the trauma that these idiots making the video and their parents letting them have bestowed on them…

  • Sober_Thinking

    The ad is beyond sickening. It should be against the law (and enforced) to create such child exploitive trash like this. Those people aren’t sane.

    Obama is a monster and his followers are nearly as bad. I hope they lose HUGE tomorrow so we can turn this nation back over to God and undo the evil these animals have done.

  • FreeManWalking

    So Sick on So Many Levels.

  • Rising Butterfly

    Their mothers did think of their futures, they are alive.

    I have a daughter with special needs and she is the joy in my life. God gave me a very precious gift when he laid her in my womb.

    I pray these young girls will grow to understand that abortion is not a choice for the child only the mother.

  • Nannv

    Actions have consequences, period. Mother’s need to be teaching their daughters abstinence not abortion.

    • iHeartLife

      To value themselves as gold not to be wasted on any man but to be gifted to one who will invest in her that they both prosper together for life.

  • lambfound

    I was thinking about the liberal men who are pro-abortion. They benefit from free contraceptives and abortion on demand for women. They want their gals to have protection before and an escape hatch afterward so they aren’t punished with a baby. And, they don’t have to have any responsibility for their actions. It makes perfect sense. It’s no wonder Teddy Kennedy and Bill Clinton are pro-abortion.

  • MaxineCA

    Wow – Just when you thought they couldn’t get any lower. After reading the comments posted so far, there not much more I can add. It’s disgusting.

    Perhaps they should check with Rick Santorum. I remember when we all here at TRS were crying, and praying for his precious daughter.

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  • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

    While I am pro-abortion myself, do they not understand the fact that more abortions means less little girls to care about whether they can have abortions when they grow up?

    • Galatiansch2vs20

      It sounds like your conscience is not yet entirely calloused and you haven’t entirely gotten over your former pro-life leanings.

      • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

        My conscience isn’t calloused. My conclusions are based on empathy, logic, and my personal experience combined.

        • Galatiansch2vs20

          You are searing it with your faulty conclusions. Your conclusions are not based on empathy with the unborn child, logic about it being murder to take their lives, and nothing in your personal experience warrants your position.

    • iHeartLife

      I agree with your logic. They also don’t understand that the little boys they abort may one day be great athletes, businessmen, engineers, politicians, etc, etc. Or just simply great fathers.

  • That is the really war on women, to make our young little girls “slut”, an abortion unit and make them the mother/grandma as in the Two and Half Men. Who are those evil that are targeting our young girls? WETHEPEOPLE please stop the fundamental transformation of America tomorrow!

  • My brain is going into overload. Blood pressure rising. Hope for mankind fading. This should be unbelievable, but it is not. I don’t like what I am believing right now.

    • famouswolf

      I’ve almost gotten hardened to stuff like this from exposure to liberal propaganda here just in the last month.

      I want to go kill some liberals. God help me I do. The bastard that made this piece of garbage would do fine for a start.

      • The Restrainer is the only thing keeping me in check. (Holy Spirit) I have often wondered whether or not I could control myself if someone harmed my children. Everyone has their limit, and I don’t want to find out what mine is.

      • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

        So you want to kill me?

        And you are telling me I should watch what I post?

        Look into the mirror, my friend. I understand that you’re feeling pain over bad things that happened, but you have no right to tell me what my opinion is, what my own reaction to pain has to be, or what to say.

        Nor to level threats, while self-righteously calling other people’s carefully considered philosophical opinions inappropriate, and telling them to shut up.

      • Famouswolf, believe me, I understand your disgust, but please don’t say stuff like that here, OK. Thank you.

  • Constitution Lover(underconsta

    WOW….Disturbing and sad 🙁

  • Very disturbing to see children promote abortion. I’m speechless, really.

    • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

      I’m a fan of abortion in general, since children are the ones who have to pay the costs of being born, including all the hardship and pain, and the inevitable death of themselves and everyone they will ever know and love, and possible estrangement first in many cases.

      Plus war, disease, rape, murder, torture, social ostracism, and all sorts of other pains, which are unequally distributed, to say the least.

      Even if life is on balance sometimes good, it’s a tremendous risk, and ends always in death. The ones who face the risk are the children, and it’s a game they must ultimately lose one way or the other.

      • You sound very sad and I will pray for you.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          I don’t imagine it will do any good, but thanks. It’s a nice gesture.

      • You do a disservice to your name Samwise. “It’s like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn’t want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn’t. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something…. there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo… and it’s worth fighting for.”

        I’d venture to think that Sam thinks life is worth fighting for.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd


          And that’s why I support Romney, or the military, or any number of things.

          But I still think the better solution would be nonexistence, were it possible. Which it isn’t. Natural selection has assured our psychologies are otherwise oriented.

          • If you truly believe that and not trying to sound so crass, why are you still posting?

            On the other hand, the idea of natural selection is flawed at best and a hoax at worst. You and this child are living beings to be respected because both are made by a Creator in His image.

          • toongoon

            You need a teddy bear.

          • famouswolf

            You need to take care what you post. There are people here-like me-who have lost loved ones for no particular reason and would never, ever say they are better off. I am not in the MOOD to listen to your self absorbed pity party.


            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

              We’ve all undergone pain and lost loved ones, me too.

              It was a key point in me forming my opinion.

              I will post what I feel is right. I am taking care what I post.

              • famouswolf

                P*ss off.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          Well, AmericanborninCanada, thanks for posting that beautiful comment.

          At another blog, a commenter is despairing after the election and is considering suicide. I don’t knock him for that in the slightest. I was considering it myself.

          But I and others there are trying to inspire some hope in him. And even though I think I understand a little of how he feels, I know that there’s at least some love and light. So I shared the quote in your comment on that thread, for what good it may do.

          It’s something I’ve read many times, of course, growing up, and you reminded me of it. I disagree with you on some ideas, but after seeing your comments in total, I don’t doubt that you are a fine person.

          Take care.

      • toongoon

        As humans it is our responsibility to make life better. We can only do so much but there are many who give up all of the luxuries that they have and go live in the most dangerous places in the world to help those who live in those unequally distributed places and their life is fuller than they would have had if stayed in their comfort. My spidey senses pick up that you are a fatalist, everything amounts to nothing. If it interests you want to make your life better you should look into dedicating yourself to helping others, it will do you a world of good.

        As ABC said, Samwise did dedicate himself that way, it is a good name choice for you. Fight for it. Don’t let anyone tell you life is not worth living.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          Such people are wonderful, it is true.

          And obviously I don’t believe life is going away. It’s part of the universe.

          So trying to make it better for as many people as possible, including ourselves, is a noble path.

          I don’t buy everything Sam Harris has to say, but one thing I do (and it just so happens to be, in my opinion, the foundational difference between pro-life and pro-choice positions, and how people who wish the best for others can reach radically different conclusions) is that subjective experience is what matters.

          That it’s the only thing that matters.

          And helping others in various ways is fully in keeping with my values. So is thinking long and hard about whether one should bring a child into this world.

      • I would have the same opinion if I thought that this life was all there was. Your viewpoint is one that denies the spirit and the soul of humanity. If we are but animals, then we have the same fate, which is ultimately hopeless. The things that transgress the physical realm are hidden from many. Some marvel at the natural world as being created by natural selection. How cold and empty that is. The very creation of the natural world is a marvel that goes well beyond the odds of being the product of natural selection.

        Love cannot be fully understood without a supernatural connection to the Creator. Love transcends all scientific explanation of human nature. Science can only take you so far. Love can override the self preservation instinct. Animals will abandon their young when they realize that they are at great risk, but a man who loves his child will not. Love moves people to do things that don’t make sense to the world, but true love is not known by the world. Love is only known by those who know the One who created it. All others fail in love for a lack of understanding.

        Only man will defend a child who is not his own. Only a Godly man will give his life for another, for whom he does not know. To defend the innocent is the great commission of a Godly man, but the dead in life only seek the death of others.

        Why would you want to live your life, dead? Have you ever held a new born baby in your arms and felt its innocence and fragility? Have you ever been charged with caring for such a one?

        I pray that you get to experience true love, in this life, because the only other thing that you will experience is death, and then death again.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          “I would have the same opinion if I thought that this life was all there was.”

          I would argue that we evolved a tendency toward religion — any of thousands of different religions throughout history with completely different cosmologies and gods — through natural selection, precisely because views such as mine, while logical as you yourself concede, do not aid survival and reproduction.

          That’s what I would say.

          I believe you’re sincere and decent and well-meaning, and have an evolved tendency toward supernatural thought including believing in life after death … because otherwise you’d think as I do, and your genes would never be passed on.

          So our complex brains, able to understand our mortality and the futility of existence, had to evolve something else to keep us going (and reproducing) in the face of this.

          • So, if genetic spiritualists have a greater sense of self preservation, and the preservation of other human life, then at some point, if the futilist gene pool becomes greater, then humanity could cease to exist. While the futilist may disagree with the spiritualist, he must recognize that if he has any sense of self preservation, that he should support the spiritualist for his own good.

            Interestingly enough, I was not an easy sell on spirituality, or religion. I still don’t subscribe to religion, because it is man made. Without the scientific proof of my spiritual belief system, I would not be able to embrace it, and experience it.

            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

              “then humanity could cease to exist”

              Well, it will, eventually. And “eventually” will be a tiny fraction of time compared to the age of this universe.

              “he must recognize that if he has any sense of self preservation, that he should support the spiritualist for his own good.”

              I don’t consider self preservation necessarily for one’s own “good”. My point is that existence is frequently horrible.

              And even if you like it a great deal, you can’t keep it.

              The whole bias that “existence is good” is something most people, including me on some level, innately hold. It’s bred into us through natural selection.

              But this means a desire is bred into us which is impossible — we can’t keep living. This is so startling to our animal, yet intelligent, brains that we literally evolved delusions of keeping living past our obvious deaths to help us process this painful fact.

              • So, you believe that my belief in life after death is just a genetic and psychological coping mechanism.

                It’s been fun talking with you, but I have to get up in five hours.

                Good night, my friend.

                • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

                  I do and take care.

                  Thanks for the conversation.

                  I assume you’re also a Romney supporter, and good luck to him tomorrow.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          >>>Love cannot be fully understood without a supernatural connection to the Creator. Love transcends all scientific explanation of human nature. Science can only take you so far. Love can override the self preservation instinct. Animals will abandon their young when they realize that they are at great risk, but a man who loves his child will not.

          All of this is just completely wrong.

          Our own survival is of only transient importance to nature. Our “purpose” (I’ll put that in quotes, because it really derives from certain statistical realities, such as that anything which didn’t have this quality would be weeded out from future lines, by definition) is to pass on genes, information, into the future. It isn’t to preserve ourselves at all costs.

          Protecting others, especially one’s child, is also protecting the only part of ourselves that can go on into the future.

          It’s mainly about the genes, not our own psychological survival.

          • Science has proven that our physical state of health is dependent on our psychological health. The mind can destroy the body. You may say that this is a chemical reaction that is made through electrochemical reactions in the body which can manifest themselves in negative or positive ways, but to recognize that is to recognize the complexity of the human biological make-up, which goes beyond any reasoning that determines that this was the result of an evolutionary process over time, and in a volatile and harsh world.

            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

              “Science has proven that our physical state of health is dependent on our psychological health.”

              Well obviously.

              For example, suicide. Also, eating Cocoa Puffs. And monitoring one’s blood sugar. And carrying a .357 [for self-defense].

              But our psychological state is also a manifestation of our body. It’s a false dichotomy.

              • I didn’t mean to limit that to a one sided statement. It goes both ways with the body and the mind.

  • This is immorally disgusting. So downs syndrome babies should be aborted? Or basically any human being n not physically perfect? These people can’t believe there is a God of any kind

    • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

      There is no god of any kind.

      • There is and the time will come when you will need his mercy, you will see.

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          Should be by Friday.

  • wereon2uB0

    This is SICK! I sent link for this video to local Denver am guy, hope he discusses & posts at his site as well.

  • eyewatcher1960

    Obama is a sick human being. A mother should teach her child that abortion is not necessary if one is moral. For rape or incest or medical reasons, there are other avenues. Anyway, it is pure bullshit to put children in these ads. It should be against the law.

    • Kind’a throws out the progressive lie that they all claim, that abortion should be rare. Evil.

      Sorry about the edit, but you get the idea. Thank you.

    • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

      First Amendment?

      Heck, *I* had strong feelings on abortion when I was a minor (I was fervently pro-life).

      Should I not have been allowed to express my opinion to an audience?

  • Having an abortion isn’t something you plan to do, and it’s not something you take pride in doing: It’s something you do if you made a mistake and are in bad circumstances.

    • Not so much if you understand life is in God’s hands and just because you “made a mistake” doesn’t mean you go and make another by taking an innocent life. I promise you as the parent of an adopted child I know for a fact that there are many families out there that would love to adopt. Even if you don’t view life as sacred God does and many others do as well…there is always a positive solution to problems when we involve God in the answer!!! Besides, you don’t know the child that was created but God does-He has a purpose and a plan for every life!

      • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

        You know this based on?

        • joyfulgiver

          The WORD of God…The Bible tells me so…Psalm 139…You might want to check it out, it’s beautiful!

        • Samwise, you’re getting a little too much like a troll with these comments. Give something to back up your argument or don’t keep commenting against people’s beliefs. Thanks.

          • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

            I’ve given stuff to back up my arguments. A great deal, actually. You’re just discounting it.

            You haven’t addressed any of it.

            I don’t care if this discussion continues. Either yes or no, but I won’t shy from it. I can talk about this here, or something elsewhere, as can we all.

            But I’ve already made my argument — it was pretty clear. Anything else is just additional details, of which there are many, and they aren’t especially pleasant.

            • And fortunately for you, you don’t buy your own arguments so you are stuck in a very sticky quagmire.

              • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

                I do buy my own arguments.

          • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

            And specifically, in the last comment of mine you replied to, I asked her a question.

            She said: “He has a purpose and a plan for every life!”

            I asked her how she knows this. It’s a fair question.

            The last two words of my question linked to a google search for the term “children tortured to death”.

            There are > 0 search results for that term. There ought to be 0 search results. The fact that that is not so, is a valid argument — perhaps not a conclusive one, but an eminently fair one — against bringing children into the world.

            It raises the additional, entirely valid, question about the propriety of God’s plans for children, assuming her premise is correct.

            • It’s heart breaking that children are used, abused and thrown out as trash, but Sam,how,if you don’t believe in God, can you believe that evil does not exist when you see things like this? God did not create evil, but evil came into the world none the less and this is the result. God says in His Word that He knows us before we are known, and that He has plans for each of us. It is not His will for these things to happen to children, but what,should we compound that by torturing them in the womb? Have you ever seen what a saline solution does to a baby? What about partial birth abortion- do you not think the baby feels pain when sissors are stabbed into the back of it’s head and it’s brains sucked out? Are you aware that those babies who survive abortions are often either thrown in a garbage, or left alone in a dark empty room, cold, untouched, in pain… until it is dead?
              Is that how we should be if the world is so tough on children?
              I know from your posts you don’t believe in God, but I don’t know how you can justify murder, painful murder, to save a child from being maybe having a painful life later on.
              Suffering happens. All sorts of crap happens in life. Doesn’t have any culture/race or income barriers. Crap happens, and a lot of it is horrible, painful and senseless. But a lot of good happens too. You can go through life looking at all the bad, but you’ll miss out on so much good if you do. I shudder to think of what this world would have been like if people like Jesus, Beethoven, Michaelangelo, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Winston Churchill, the thousands of doctors and scientists, engineers, dreamers, inventors, had not been born. It’d be a darker place than it is now.
              Ask a parent who is raising a severely handicapped child if they think their child has a purpose. Those I know who do, would give a resounding YES! Everyone has a purpose, but it’s up to each of us whether we’re going to bless or curse another.
              What happens to children daily is heart breaking. I agree with you on that, but they also give joy, melt the coldest hearts and give more wisdom than many adults give them credit for. And each has a right to live.

          • famouswolf

            Not just that, but he is really beginning to annoy me.

            ‘The better choice would be nonexistance’, he spouts. Just so happens I lost my mother and little sister because she chose to carry the little one to term, and I don’t want to hear stuff like that here. It’s not what I expect, even in threads with such disgusting subject matter. It sounds like he’s saying there isn’t any point to having children since they cause pain.

            His posts are disturbing, and in this thread, inappropriate.

            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

              I’m sorry for the pain you underwent.

              But you misunderstand my position.

              I feel it’s an ethical error — albeit a very understandable one in light of biological motivations as influenced by natural selection for over a billion years — not because children cause pain.

              Children are wonderful and bring joy.

              It’s because children feel pain.

              And because this pain is so widely and unfairly distributed and because it continues over a lifetime, and because the best case scenario is a person mostly enjoys their life, but it ends anyway, as do the lives of everyone they love.

              It’s the pain, and the risk, that lead me to this position, but I am not saying children are the cause.

              It sounds harsh (and it is harsh) but the only intellectually fair characterization you could make of my argument on or about this point is I’m saying parents cause pain.

              That is a logical inference. It’s an unavoidable one, actually.

              Yes, I’m aware parents cause joy as well.

            • I am SO sorry for your loss famouswolf. I can’t imagine it. I can’t stand these kinds of thoughts and opinions either, but unless folks are threatening or attacking, they have as much right to voice their opinons as we do. Believe me friend, I find such arguments sick and disturbing, and downright pitiful. God Bless you famouswolf.

              • famouswolf

                What’s done is done.

                Sam is EXTREMELY offensive, just not quite as much as the video. Almost. These things are tragedies, not mercies.

                My comment on what I would do to a certain individual was directed at the maker of the film, however. I-meant-every-word.

                If I had not been so angry last night I would have edited it approx. as you did. There was no intent to break your posting rules.

    • It’s doubling down and making a bigger mistake!

    • joyfulgiver

      “I knew you before I formed you in your mothers womb…” God Psalm 139

  • Wow! Especially disgusting and ironic using little girls who are not too far removed from their own birth. Asking their mother to give them the choice that their mothers could have used to end their lives before birth.

  • JimNEPA2_0

    Child abuse, pure and simple.

    • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

      My point exactly, although in reverse.

  • My niece and her husband just lost their 2nd child at 4 months of pregnancy. They learned early on that the child had serious malformations and that he/she probably wouldn’t make the 9 month journey and even if they did they would be stillborn or would never make it out of the hospital. They chose as Christians to leave it all in God’s hands. My niece just delivered a stillborn baby boy one week ago. I am positive this little one’s short life has taught these two people and perhaps others as well many things about God and His care and love in all situations. All life is precious and has a purpose no matter how long or short one lives!

    • eyewatcher1960

      So true!! My best girlfriend had the same situation happen to her. We were in the Navy overseas and this would have been her second child. The doctor NEVER told her that anything was wrong and it really did not matter because the military does not or rather did not perform abortions. When the baby girl was born, she cried and passed away. That was ONE of the hardest days of my life. Some 8 years later, I had my own daughter and I have always asked myself how my gf managed her grief and there is only ONE answer…. God held her hand. Life is very precious!! Every day of my life I thank God that He Blessed me with a daughter.

  • stage9

    COMMUNIST GOALS (From The Congressional Record, Jan. 10, 1963)
    Hen. A.S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida in H.R., Congressional Record-Appendix, Jan. 10, 1963, pp. a34-35

    18. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

    19. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and T.V.

    20. Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity, as “normal, natural, healthy.”

    28. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    • eyewatcher1960

      Exactly what I have taught my daughter. The government wants to make sin easy so that people are MORE dependent on the gov’t. Then the people are SLAVES to their government. Our Founding Fathers did NOT intend this scenario.

      • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

        Okay, I can understand your opinion.

        The reason I can understand your opinion is, while most often secular, I was opposed to abortion most of my life for the same basic reasons that Christopher Hitchens expressed qualms about it.

        The idea that it is wrong to take a person’s life against their will, and that it’s grotesque and unnatural.

        Those are strong points.

        As a child, I was strongly pro-life. It was always arguably my pinnacle moral principle, my acid test for judging others, including others I wished to date, until well into my adult life.

        Also as a child, I was fairly bright and while in elementary school, I was part of a very small group of students from my school in a group that discussed the issues of the day, often removed from the regular class. I even went on TV once with this group.

        A commenter here makes the argument that it should be illegal for this girl to appear in a political ad expressing a view on abortion.

        It seems to me, that conflicts with the First Amendment.

        Further, it would or could also have prevented me from publicly expressing my pro-life views as a child.

        Further, I’ve seen compelling arguments from children that are pro-life in nature.

        Granted, full disclosure, I am no longer pro-life.

        But … do you believe the other side, including children, should be allowed to legally express their opinion publicly, including in election advertising, under the First Amendment?

        I am honestly curious what your view on that is.

        • toongoon

          Interesting. Did you become pro-abortion and a fatalist at the same time?

          • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

            I’d have to know how you define fatalism before answering that.

            As I said, I believe life can, on balance, be good. This is contra the David Benatar antinatalist position.

            However, it’s a tremendous risk to take with another person, and there’s no way it ends in anything but their death anyway.

            Ethically, I don’t have an obligation to do good things for people, although that’s nice when I do.

            But I do have an imperative not to actively and grievously harm them.

            Grievous harm is guaranteed in life, and aside from death and various pains, it is dispassionate in that many people’s lives are on balance horrors.

            And I don’t think that’s fair to do to kids. Birth is the inevitable cause of these predictable outcomes.

            I’ll say more and answer your question specifically, but I have to change locations.

            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd


              I reached a point in my life where I decided that, on balance, it would have been better if I hadn’t been born.

              This isn’t an especially unusual conclusion, although it’s something most people who have it hide. In fact, a study as far back as 1932 in American Journal of Sociology shows that 30% of children wish they had never been born.

              Perhaps they should not have been.

              • kong1967

                You’re off in la la land. We aren’t your psychiatrist.

            • kong1967

              “Grievous harm is guaranteed in life, and aside from death and various pains, it is dispassionate in that many people’s lives are on balance horrors.

              And I don’t think that’s fair to do to kids. Birth is the inevitable cause of these predictable outcomes.” — samwise

              OMG! It’s not fair to expose kids to the horrors and pains of life so you should just abort them? I don’t know what satanic ritual you are indulging in, but if I read your statement right you are flat out disgusting.

        • eyewatcher1960

          I will say that CHILDREN are minors and mostly repeat what they have heard. My child, I believe and as life as revealed 19 years later, is that it is very rare in today’s society that parents have the TIME and/or desire to teach the children everything that is NEEDED in order to be a good “productive” adult citizen. It is the parent who should be teaching the child religion, responsibilities, organization, and sex NOT the school system. After all, I produced a child so she can care and understand MY beliefs; but, hopefully I can instill enough for her to have a sound foundation to grow into her own belief system. It has been wonderful to see a beautiful flower BLOOM. Ok back on track, in today’s society, I have found that even 14 year old girls have NOT been taught the truth or MUCH about sex and in this video, I really did not see the majority being 14. Girls hurl themselves at boys these days and little, if any, is taught about RESPECT. Therefore, lasting relationships are NOT. I use to laugh so I wouldn’t be a MAD cow when my daughter would come home and say that a girl was dating a boy in fourth grade!! Really, where did he take her? Just talking, rather giggling, was a date…totally ludicrous!! Anyway, beings the girls in this video are minors and odds were they probably did not know the exact subject matter then the ad is a lie because they did not know what the REAL subject was. If they did know the ad was pertaining to abortion, then they were just repeating some story they heard or they have been totally misinformed. My belief is that however this ad came to light, minors should NOT be involved and it should be illegal based on them being minors. Now in your past, you may have been on local tv, not national, not POLITICAL ads for a grand election; but, I bet your parent had to sign a waiver form for you to be on tv or for your info to be released. This is the privacy issue. Again, I bet that the ad people made these parents sign a waiver as well so that the campaign did not find themselves in HOT water. At any rate, these are mere pups and know not what they say and should not be repeating it.

          Also a local mother who went to jail because she gave her minor child (10 yrs old) a tattoo at a local parlor. She should be in jail because that should be an adult decision that the child makes for herself one day. I mean would you have like it if ur dad would have drawn something awful on your arm as a child? His beauty could be your ugly. Children should be children for there is ENOUGH life ahead. Personally I feel a mother is a bit cracked up to take her kid to the tattoo parlor!! Also to let her kid be in the political ad for Obama or Romney. It’s just not the place or time.

          • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

            Thanks for answering my questions.

            I believe children should have the right to speak out on political topics, including in ads. If they reflect their parent’s views, well that’s natural on both sides of a topic. They can later recant their position if they wish.

            • kong1967

              Lol, where do you get this stuff? So now it’s ok to put children on t.v. to express an adult’s view (not their own) because they can recant it later? Geez. How about you don’t spoon feed this crap into their heads to begin with? How about you don’t use little girls to spread the opinions of others because they don’t have a clue what the heck is coming out of their mouths? Stay away from kids.

            • eyewatcher1960

              Still, it is AGE inappropriate!!

        • kong1967

          The First Amendment does not give you the right to say whatever you want and wherever you want. If that were the case then why do television programs get fined for cussing over the public airwaves? You’re saying these girls should be able to say whatever they want on t.v. because of the First Amendment, and that is flat out wrong.

          I’d bet you $1,000 that none of these little girls were telling us their opinion. They were repeating the opinion of immoral liberals that don’t care that they’re feeding this crap into the girls’ heads.

          • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

            For the record, I was 9 and 10 when I was in the school-led group I mentioned above, involving the brightest students in my public elementary school, talking about serious issues, and even abortion (there was no coercion to believe a particular thing: I was pro-life).

            kong, the First Amendment doesn’t protect sedition and doesn’t even stop the FCC from banning 4-letter words during broadcasts. The saying one’s opinion on important political topics that are distasteful does not equal that. That’s exactly the type of speech the First Amendment was most designed to protect.

            So it’s fully in keeping with the spirit of the First Amendment for anyone, including a child, to express their view on something … such view, of course, largely shaped by their parents’ teachings.

            People, by and large, are smart enough to realize a child may not have the same depth of understanding of an issue as they will in 20 years, and also to understand that the child is more often than not simply reflecting their parents’ views.

            Let them get the speech and make up their own minds.

            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

              Oh, also, other than abortion, we talked about the Cold War.

              A lot.

              The fact the Russians could be lobbing ICBMs over our heads within half an hour was a big deal.

              That was a pretty heavy issue, man, as much so as abortion.

              So are other things we learned, such as about World War II, the fact there’s crime in the world, and even mortality (not that we learned that necessarily in school as such, but these are all things a child will think about, especially a bright child).

              To say that kids don’t even have the right to TALK about what they’re thinking, wherever they learned it, doesn’t seem right to me.

              It’s up to the listener to consider the fact that the speaker is a child and weight the content accordingly.

            • kong1967

              Well, we all know these children didn’t go public with their views on their own volition. This was pushed by liberals with a view they used the children to project. If I get angry enough about an issue I might find a way to go public with it and draw attention. That’s not what happened here. The children did not have a burning desire to let us know how they feel about abortion. They were used, and I think that’s appalling and wrong.

    • Sounds more like the curriculum found in public schools that our tax money is funding. When oh when are we going to get a clue that school isn’t what it was when we were in it?

      • eyewatcher1960

        Yes and they sure were not handing out Trojans. They were handing out paddle whippings!!

  • LiberalBoycotter

    Abortion, was always focused on limiting the birth of black people, and now we have this child propagating the murder of her own race. This is who Barry is, he will do anything to get reelected he will even watch the murder of 4 people in Benghazi. So I say if you want a murderer to stay in the White House then by all means give a vote to Barry!

  • bjohnson55

    The incredible irony in a message like this is astounding. If this little girl’s grandmother had an abortion or this little girl’s mother had an abortion then the issue of abortions for this little girl really would be mute now wouldn’t it. An estimate of 54,559,615 murders of innocents since Roe Vs. Wade and the sick bastards who want more use the very same innocents to lobby for more. Oh what sweet irony. Truly sick…

  • Jazzee

    this is the most disgusting ad I have ever seen
    ‘mom’ save me so I can have free pills and abortions???? seriously????? this is pathetic what is wrong with the women of America? Stop being victims no one is taking anything away from you….I just don’t want to PAY for them
    enjoy your pills and abortions

  • colliemum

    This ad is horrible on so many levels – the worst, IMHO, is the constant admonition by all those girls: “think of me-me-me-me-me-me” – dreadful, and showing further how disrespectful of girls and women the left really are. As if nothing matters in real life for females but having abortions: not education, not debt, not jobs.

    After today, it is urgent that we all keep the left’s feet in the fire for this blatant disrespect.

    • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

      I think it’s illogical and incoherent.

      Well, there is a way you could make it somewhat logical, but you’d really have to thread the needle to do it.

  • 3EYE

    We had to separate church and state. Looks like politics, need to be separated too.

  • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

    I notice people like famouswolf care a lot about their own pain, which I acknowledge was real and important and extremely large, and feel it should receive special consideration, but other people’s pain not.

    For example, I said that I came to the conclusion it would have been better if I had never been born.

    This conclusion — like the same conclusion of the 30% of children surveyed in the study I referenced earlier — is not arrived at because of a lack of pain. It’s arrived at because of great pain.

    But to famouswolf, my feelings don’t count.

    OK, I can accept that he feels that way because of the pain he is feeling. I really can. I hope he puts this thread behind him and remembers the good of those he lost, and the pain is lessened, even though I know he doesn’t want to hear that from me.

    But I cannot accept that as a valid reason that I cannot express my own opinions and feelings on this, or any, controversial topic.

    • kong1967

      Express your feelings all you want, but you are very controversial with the comments you make. I’ll read them, but you have to expect that there are going to be people that get disgusted with what you say. Should we not be honest about that when it happens?

      • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

        Of course you do.

        Less so telling me I have to shut up and telling me you want to kill me.

        • kong1967

          Lol, I knew what you meant. I wouldn’t say that to you. I had said a few nasty things to you, but I went back and edited to tone it down some. I’ll try to disagree with you without getting out of control with my reactions. I apologize that I did say some things that were over the edge.

  • kong1967

    I can understand his reason for his beliefs, but WTF is up with them using children to send their messages for them? These kids do not understand that if their mother had aborted them they wouldn’t exist. It’s appalling to use kids in this way.

    • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

      “These kids do not understand that if their mother had aborted them they wouldn’t exist.”

      I don’t know how you can be certain of this.

      However, maybe this girl doesn’t, but I was very much interested in, and had well-formed beliefs and reasons for said beliefs, on abortion when I was quite young.

      So you could be right in this case, but I would not apply it to children in general.

      • kong1967

        Ha!! No way are you telling me that it is appropriate to teach 7 to 10 year old girls about abortion. They don’t even understand what death means. They don’t know what conception is. Yet you say children at that age in general know about this stuff and understand it? Right (sarcasm).

        • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

          I’m saying if the 7 to 10 year olds are ESPECIALLY bright, you may not be able to stop them from learning about it.

          Some children, especially those with a high IQ, are just exceptionally curious about grown-up adult topics, and are way above their age group in thinking about them.

          They may well be far above a typical adult with an average IQ in thinking about them.

          • kong1967

            Ok, that’s a little different. You said earlier that it was “in general”.

            Well, they aren’t learning about it at school at that age, so the only people teaching them would be the parents. That’s wrong.

            • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

              As I said, I was part of a small group of students at my elementary school and we talked about that and other issues (even often nuclear war) at that age.

              Once even on TV.

  • ColoradoTim

    After thinking about this commercial, I’ve come to the conclusions that it means the Liberals still don’t have their base locked up. This is a pure left-wing issue, and the appeal is therefore to the left. Usually by this time in the election, you’d appeal to the middle by offering to reach across the aisle and work with the other party. That is not happening in this campaign. This is further proof that this is going to be a landslide.

  • Rarely have I ever been repulsed by and ad or even worse, the piece of S%&# explaination below it. “Don’t have babies because the aunt that I play with might die of cancer…I blame Republicans !!!!”………….I hope she ties her own tubes and saves everyone the burden of corrupting her own child!

  • Haywoodjbl

    This is child abuse pure and simple. Indoctrination of this kind is right out of Nazi Germany.

    Everyone experiences heartbreak, it is part of our lives. No one escapes it. I am sorry that this “grandma” had to experience it, however to use a child like this is repulsive

  • Samwise Gamgee the 3rd

    I’m going to give some personal context to my opinions on this thread.

    At this moment, a young woman I know and I are chatting on Yahoo Messenger.

    She is a new mom and is marrying the father on the 17th. She loves being a mother and is one of the sweetest and kindest women I know. She’s fun to hang out with, but she REALLY loves being a mom.

    You know what I am not doing? Expressing my antinatalist opinion to her, or pointing out the downside of bringing a new being into the world. Instead I’m telling her I think she’ll be a better than average mother and also a great wife.

    Both of which I absolutely believe are true.

    A part of me would love to be the father of her child, with her as my wife (I don’t want to break them up; I’m just saying she’s an above average woman), or another fine woman as my wife with another child being mine. I love children. I even have a strong desire to have children.

    Here are the reasons I’m not telling her my opinion on the downsides (and eventual futility) of creating children:

    1. It wouldn’t make any difference. Having children is at the (perfectly understandable, it’s natural) core of her being.

    2. Her child is going to be well loved and has a good a chance as a kid is likely to have. So yes, there will be harms to the child in their life and death, but it’s spilled milk. The best thing to do is love the child and do the best for her, which I am sure her mother and father will do. I will too to the very small degree I have a role.

    But 3. And this is the big one. She didn’t pro-actively choose to go on a blog where serious and often disturbing issues are discussed. And not only be on that blog, but choose to address one of the most disturbing topics imaginable, and to engage in debate on it.

    So what I’m saying is, when you comment on something you find vile (and I really do understand; I cannot overstate how much I felt the same way for so long and how much the actual process of abortion I still find sickening), you take the risk upon yourself that someone who is on the other side of that particular issue might express their views, and their reason for their views, and it might be emotionally upsetting to you.

    Which I regret. I knew my words could upset some, but I strongly feel the points I was making have merit and were worth making.

    I am not as extreme in antinatalism as is University of Cape Town Philosophy Professor and Dept of Philosophy Head David Benatar.

    He believes life is always a net harm. The main reason he thinks this seems to be that humans have a well-studied bias toward optimism, and if you strip away that bias, life is on balance bad. He makes many other points, some of which I’ve raised, but that’s a big part of his argument.

    I think his argument is facile and silly.


    He’s right that most humans have a bias toward optimism (which makes sense; it is a tendency which natural selection would have rewarded since it keeps us striving to survive and reproduce). I agree with that.

    But since that bias toward optimism actually makes people FEEL better, then that really does add to the quality of their lives in the way that matters in my opinion, which is subjective experience.

    So I think his antinatalist argument fails there.

    My argument is based on the fact that life is very risky. That some, even most, people may enjoy their lives more than not, but that the degree of harm and horror and sadness suffered by those who don’t are so great that it’s wrong to impose that risk on non-consenting people, and children can’t consent to be born into the world obviously.

    That’s my position. It’s based on love and empathy, not on hatred.

    You may disagree with my evaluation, and find it abhorrent, but nonetheless that is my position and my reason for it. It’s in part formed by my own personal pains at times in my life.

    Which, for some reason, a lot of people seem to think is a good idea to start mocking, rather than expressing some understanding that I and others could feel that way.

    That said, there are also some really kind people, who disagree with me (and maybe see my points also), who express compassion as their first reflex. So I definitely don’t mean to slag you all.

    Further, I’m having a good day and feel fine. I enjoy much of life and the parts I enjoy, I enjoy a lot.

    I want to say a word about this host of this site, who I don’t know personally.

    He clearly disagrees with my position. He has to, because his commentary on this video itself in the front page picture link to it is clearly a pro-life position (which I can respect and understand since I used to hold it, and am still emotionally although not intellectually drawn to).

    Yet he’s seen that I made my comments sincerely, with both an attempt at intellectual honesty and speaking in a calm tone if not calm words.

    He’s allowed my comments to stand, and even edited the angriest comments made by a commenter who was very understandably emotional over my words, and who has my empathy for the pains he felt in life and as a result of reading my words also. That commenter won’t feel better reading that from me, but I can’t help that. It’s still true that I understand his reaction.

    But the host’s actions are exactly what I would have done even if a commenter on an imaginary blog I ran had opinions contra mine and someone who agreed with me went a little over the top, understandably.

    So I my respect for the host has grown.

    Before now, I just considered this a great video blog on politics with an editorial stance similar to most (obviously not all) of my positions.

    Finally, it’s election day and believe it or not, I strongly support the Romney-Ryan ticket, and despise Obama. I suppose life contains a lot of ambiguities, paradoxes, and even compromises, because Romney’s still my first choice (because I believe he’ll make life better for the living than Obama would) … and yet, the Mormon position on creating children is clearly the opposite of mine. At least they strongly believe in loving and raising them after they’re born.

    Good luck to the GOP up and down the ticket.

  • Obama needs Jesus, just like any other person in this country that favors this Bull**** I have never seen any other president as anti-Christian as this dude, Osama bin laden, Obama bin laden, somedays I cant tell the difference.