UPDATED: ROLL CALL VOTED added – Ugh: Senate passes fiscal cliff bill 89-8 after 2AM on New Year’s Day

I couldn’t believe that I was watching the Senate floor LIVE after 2AM on New Year’s Day. I was just about to go to bed until I found out the Senate had just voted for the fiscal cliff bill. Ugh. So here’s my first post for 2013.

The 8 Senators to vote against the fiscal cliff bill were Bennett D-CO, Carper D-DE, Grassley R-IA, Harkin D-IA, Lee R-UT, Paul R-KY, Rubio R-FL, Shelby R-AL.

Here’s the lowdown on it:

WAPO – The White House-backed legislation would prevent middle-class taxes from rising, and raise rates on incomes over $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for couples.

It also blocks spending cuts for two months, extends unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, prevents a 27 percent cut in fees for doctors who treat Medicare patients and prevents a spike in milk prices.

A last-minute addition would also prevent a $900 pay raise for members of Congress from taking effect in March.

I should note that those spending cuts blocked are defense cuts…otherwise known as sequestration.

The House votes later today when the come back in session.

UPDATE: Jeff Poor tweets out Richard Shelby’s statement on voting against the fiscal cliff legislation:

UPDATE 2: Full roll call vote for the Senate here.

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  • Shelby? The AL Senator I want is Sessions. Grassley? But where’s Toomey or Inhofe?
    I knew Paul and Lee were reliable.

  • Well I’m sitting here reading your first Story of the year at 3 am. Oh joy. We’ve got work to do and a nation to reclaim. Let’s git’er done.

  • Hmmm. Looks like the new Senator, Tim Scott, from SC voted “For” then. Hmmm.

    Good for Rubio to vote “Nay,” but I think he’s been saying all along he wouldn’t vote for it.

    AP says Boehner is saying they will take a look at it in the house later.

    • I don’t think Tim Scott has been sworn in yet has he?

      • He’ll be sworn in on the 3rd.

        • keyesforpres

          I believe you and Scoop are correct….he is not a US senator yet.

      • oops!

        I wish there was some way to find out this stuff. Like maybe a thing that helps look at all the websites and find things. (Then we could introduce reporters to it, so they’ll finally have a tool to do fact checking with.)

        • Hah! I didn’t read to the bottom of the Roll Call link. It shows DeMint as “not voting” along with Lautenberg and Kirk.

    • Is Scott a Senator yet or does he get sworn in in the new session? I don’t know yet. Anybody who knows can clear it up.

      • DeMint still holds that seat. He didn’t vote on this one. Tim Scott will vote tomorrow with the House.

        • Actually, he’s resigned. His seat is empty.

          • He’s resigning as of this month when the new Congress starts.

  • Obama is nuts. And he has the media on his side. This was an unwinnable battle. I look forward to the planning behind the debt ceiling battle.

    • Sober_Thinking

      That’s going to be another ugly affair… imagine how the headlines will scream about the government shutting down and people not getting their checks.

      Same as it ever was…


        14th Amendment, Section 4 reads: “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.” Why don’t T-party people rail against those who would violate their oath of office by disregarding the US Constitution? Everyone screams about “2nd Amendment Rights,” but what about 14h Amendment Obligations? To vote against paying the bills is borderline treason!

        • Sober_Thinking

          Excellent point… perfect reference.

          The sad thing is that for many, citing the Constitution (and the bible) for rules, law and precedent, seems to no longer matter. They are being treasonous and deserve to be fired and preferably jailed. I wouldn’t bat an eye at more severe punishment either – treason is unforgivable.

    • StrangernFiction

      That is the real battle, where the actual cave by the GOP will occur. But the Repubicans want you focused on this fiscal cliff farce.

  • Why are we still awake and here at 3 in the morning?

    • I always work the night shift. Lunch is at 10pm.

      Here’s Rand Paul today –> http://wolffiles.blogspot.com/2012/12/rand-paul-on-fiscal-cliff.html

      • Thank K-Bob. For the link. I’ll watch it in a few hours when I get back up. When my eyes are re focused. Night.

        • Goodnight! I’ll be up a while. Pondering the infinit– ahh, to heck with it.

          • Sober_Thinking


            Don’t go quietly in that good night!

      • Orangeone

        Rand Paul is simply beginning his Potus campaign. Just wait until he and Rubio begin the battle to legalize 12 million illegals and all of the family members and friends still in Mexico. Let’s add millions more to welfare and unemployment.

        • Rand Paul is sincere about cutting spending. This is obviously not a political move for him.

        • A lot of folks seem to think Rand is “the man.” I don’t see him as President. He just doesn’t carry himself like a man aiming to be President. We’re long past the day when a guy like Lincoln, with a high, squeaky voice (like Rand) can succeed on the national stage. At least, this is what a TON of Palin critics keep assuring us.

          • Orangeone

            Oh K-Bob, you gave me my first giggle of the evening 🙂  “squeaky voice”  He also kinda looks like that cartoon mouse, can’t remember the cartoon though.

          • He’d be one of our best candidates on the stage if we want fiscal discipline. He’ll probably run too, criticize Rubio, Ryan, and Bush, carry a few states around his region, but ultimately not win it.
            His voice is not a good enough reason. Reagan was old.
            Nixon was stiff and had a stuffy voice, Clinton faced rape accusations. None of that hampered them.
            And the voice isn’t the give-all factor with Palin either.

            • Well, when it comes down to it, I think any one of the candidates last time could have ended up being a great president. The primary is just not an indicator there. (If anything, it forces the weakest candidate to the front most of the time.) As Harry Truman showed, you can be bad at some things, and still be a decent president.

              But ever since the days of radio, the winning president has usually been someone who can deliver a great speech. I’m absolutely certain Rand Paul CAN do that, but for some reason doesn’t do it very often. So can Rick Perry, when he’s on his game. Not so much Michelle Bachmann (which I don’t understand–she has the ability, but often chooses phrases that are ill-considered). So it has to be more than that. I admit, Rand has that certain “more than that” thing going for him. So I would be fine if I woke up tomorrow and saw that he was being sworn in. But I don’t see him winning any more than Romney did. He just doesn’t reach into people’s hearts the way Reagan did (almost all the time), Palin has done (most of the time), West does (almost all the time), Cain did (about half the time), and so on.

              So it isn’t just the voice. Palin would be eliminated just for that alone, if that were all there is to it.

              I just happen to think that we need someone like West more than any other, at this time. A man who understands war and who can deliver a great speech. Even though he may, in fact be less clear on the financial aspects and responsibilities of a republic founded upon Liberty (than Rand Paul is, for example).

              The exceptions to what I’m describing were Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush. In short, they both sucked at the podium. They both had the great fortune to be running after a major embarrassment to the presidency by the previous officholder from the other party AND, simultaneously, against a weak candidate from that other party. The next Democrat running after Obama will probably be someone with great name recognition and “pull” in the Democrat party.

              I see Rand as about 80% of what we need at that podium during the next election, but with about 30% of his style, and specifically, his incomplete dedication to Restoration working against him. That last bit is what bothers me the most about all of the candidates. A committment to Restoration just hasn’t been in evidence among them. They each see “fixing” the problem as some correction to policies and such.

              I want someone who wants to see the Constitution restored in toto. Not just someone like Romney who would just be a great manager, or someone like Bachmann, who would be a great values conservative. So I’m looking for someone who fits best in two categories. Articulation of a conservative/libertarian philosophy, and desire for Restoration.

              So far, I’d rate them like this:
              Articulation Restoration
              Romney 60% 0%
              Rand Paul 55% 80%
              Allen West 80% 70%
              Gingrich 75% 50%
              Trey Gowdy 70% 70%
              Marco Rubio 80% 45%

              That’s just my sense, based on everything these men have said in speeches that I’m aware of.

              • Those percentages are based on how good they are on meeting the demands of the item in question. So Romney was about 60% of a great speaker. He was totally uncommitted to Restoration, so I give him a zero there.

              • You made a good post, but I don’t see how either him or Bachmann lack in restoration. They both, definitely unlike most in Washington and the RINOs, know major changes MUST be made to keep us afloat.
                Both him and Bachmann can make energizing speeches sometimes.

                After the last election, I want a restoring ticket. I think Rand Paul and Steve King might be good.

                There was also Nixon. His stiff presentation may have cost him against JFK, but he went on to win later when up against Humphrey and McGovern.

                On the Democrats’ side, Andrew Cuomo, the gun-grabber, lacks charisma or any compellingness or warmth. Hillary, I don’t think is either particularly charismatic (like slick hubby) or not, but her mouth, attitude, and actions get her in trouble with most but has her dedicated base. Biden tries to charm people but came off to me as creepy.

                • Good points.

                  As to that “lacking,” it’s only that I don’t quite see 100% commitment to Restoration from *any* politician yet. They all get a little odd about some things. Maybe due to pet projects, constituency problems, money problems, or whatever.

    • sybilll

      Because I love my unborn grandchildren? Not meaning to be snippy, I know we all feel helpless.

      • That’s been my concern ever since I had kids. I don’t want my sons or grandkids to inherit Bosnia or the new USSR.

        When I think at how people laughed at those who talked about “the red menace” when I was a kid, versus what we have today, I am astounded.

        • StrangernFiction

          The red menace has become the red tide, and it has washed over us.

    • blackbird

      Passion I guess.

    • I have problems staying on the computer much too late.

    • Constance

      After a nasty illness over the holidays, I was sound asleep when you all were posting these comments. However, I would have been right here with you in the wee hours otherwise. In answer to your question? You were all still awake at 3 in the morning because you care about this country and are genuine American patriots. No more complicated than that. God bless, all.

      • Amen and well said Constance. I hope you’re feeling better!!!

      • heavyhrt

        So, what you going to do about it?

        As a female do you have any possible response to my posts today??

        Just wondering, and hoping…

        • Constance

          Well, give me a chance here! Just woke up and catching up with a whole bunch of posts to read and digest. I’ve got my box of tissues, my apple juice and my cold medicine – I’m ready…

  • Isn’t the House suppose to initiate all bills to do with taxes? (Course they didn’t do that with the Obamacare bill either, which was supposed to be one loophole after the SC called buying insurance a tax rather than a fee….)

    • Yep, all bills for raising revenue must originate in the House. They got around this with Obamacare with some voodoo. They took a bill that had been passed by the House, stripped out everything and replaced it with Obamacare. Thus it has the same bill number as what the House passed but it was completely different. This is also how they were able to use reconciliation to get it through the House since that is a process for resolving the two different versions.

  • aZjimbo

    Does any of this matter anyway?

  • Angellike

    They have debated for days. They came out at 2am when no one is looking. and spill 4 things to change. We will all see the real devastation when someone deciphers the legal BS that I suspect has been prepared a long time ago. Maybe even during their 2 weeks break while they camped together, as they do EVERY YEAR in California spending OUR MONEY for more than just a few tents. They have had 500+ days to work this through with the involvement of the citizens through transparency. yet they chose to do their dirty work behind closed doors where all secrets are kept in the WHITE HOUSE. Some would say it is fair to call this secret gathering ” The 2013 White House Fiscal cliff new years party for the Black Market Harvard Alumni

    Only 8 nays !?!?!?!? Yet Another Confirmation of who works for the people and who works for their elite party They are dangerously trading our lives as if we are dividends. And we are … To them we are the $ to their cha Ching They have for too long ignored violated and abused the rights of Americans. They obviously feel untouchable. But truth is WITHOUT Thsuch operation, submission #oppression of we the people THE MAJORITY They are POWERLESS

    #ATTORNEYS It is past time to Shut them down ! remove the corrupt from positions of power. You are UR OFFICER OF THE COURT. #civilrightsattorneys. You have the ability to legally turn this ship around RETURN WASHINGTON TO ITS RIGHTFUL OWNERS. THE Tax paying LANDLORDS. NO MORE CHANCES. NO MORE EMPTY PROMISES. NO MORE OPPRESSION AND DENIAL OF OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT. TO LIVE WITHOUT BONDAGE @wikileaks. #revolution #oppression. #corruption

    • Orangeone

      Or who of those 8 have other agendas (re-election and Potus)

  • xjesterx

    I guess I don’t get it. Aren’t bills by the constitution supposed to originate in the HOUSE? Now they are going to “look at it”?

    • aposematic

      Revenue Bills, Yes. Article 1, Section 7, Constitution of the US.

  • Article 1 Section 7 of the US Constitution –
    “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.”

    In other words, if the House passes the Senate bill and sends it on to the President, it will be unConstitutional and unenforceable.

    • syvyn11

      It doesn’t matter. We are no longer a Representative republic. We are now a dictatorship. With Dear Leader Obama as our leader.

      At least there were 8 people with the guts to tell the President ‘NO’!

    • aposematic

      The Senate pulled the same Tyranny out of the hat on Obuma(no)care. Then SC Chief Justice Roberts declaired the mandate a tax to dictate Obuma(no)care Constitutional apparently oblivious to the fact that by doing so he obfuscated the Constitution. Revenue Bills must be initiated in the House of Representatives, the Senate can Amend or concur as on other Bills. Says nothing about replace…bait and switch. We are no longer a Government of Laws.

      • Conniption Fitz

        What can be done when our (SCOTUS and Federal) Judges are traitors to the Constitution?

    • Conniption Fitz

      Both Obama administrations are unconstitutional – his candidacy was unconstitutional. He is the alleged son of a foreign national and the adoptive son of a foreign national and he went to college in the US as a foreign national and was sponsored by foreign nationals. His ideology is foreign as well (Islam and Marxism).

      Obama’s is an illegal, fraudulent, invalid presidency.

  • colliemum

    In spite of this sorry spectacle and the despicable ‘result’, let me wish you a Happy 2013, rightscoop, and the same to all you scoopers.

    Winston Churchill said: “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”

    So my wish for all of us for 2013 is – Courage! Courage and the will to stand firm, regardless.

    • Conniption Fitz

      Sir Winston also said, “Never, never, never, never give up.”

      • Might I add to that one Conniption Fitz, ” …in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.”

    • StrangernFiction

      The desire to be free cannot be extinguished from the heart of man. As long as human beings walk the Earth the idea of America will never die.

    • mark1955

      Thank you for that uplifting message from Winston Churchill. Someone on C-4-P had brought Churchill up yesterday. I responded to that message about the Book i had read on him: Five days in London,May 1940 by John Luckacs. I first heard about the Book when Rudy Giuliani shortly after 9/11 was on an interview program. He related on how he read that book cover to cover repeatedly to give him strength during that difficult time after 9/11.

      I then went out and bought the book and it was about Churchill during a five day period approximately ten days after he had taken over from Neville Chamberlain. The United States had not yet entered the War. Hitler had not yet invaded the soviet union,so stalin was still semi-allied with Hitler. France was all but lost, as almost the entire British Expeditionary Force,was driven to the beaches of Dunkirk with very little hope of rescue and U-Boat Wolf packs had been starving Great Britain out by sinking massive numbers of ships. With all those problems, Churchill’s toughest Battle was convincing the government and his cabinet not to accept any new peace Treaty Hitler might propose after defeating France. And this was after Hitler had broken every previous Agreement. He knew Hitler’s word and signature were worthless ( Much like Obama’s ). Churchill knew that a Tyrant,whether in the form of a school yard Bully or a dictator,does not stop on his own. They have to be stood up to and stopped. Churchill knew that Hitler was only going to be stopped Militarily.

      Tyrants don’t Stop on their Own, they have to be stood up to and defeated!

      • white531

        Good post.

  • ApplePie101

    I applaud the 8 senators who held out against this self-serving bill. That it passed in the senate is no surprise, nor that they have all voted themselves a great big raise. This is, was, and always will be for themselves, not for the nation or for us. They are lethal parasites. Let’s see what happens in the house, now.

    It’s obvious that there was collusion between house and senate. One can imagine Boehner telling Reid and McConnell, ‘I can’t get it past the knuckle-draggers in my party. You’ve got to do it.”

    (I just want to add, thank you to house democrat John Barrow of Georgia, for outspokenly opposing the $900 congressional pay raise.)

    • unclesamnephew

      they were NOT from my state of Ohio. i think i will send out thank you cards to my two POS senators Brown and Portman

      • Sober_Thinking

        Send them a picture of your backside too… self-portraits.

        I’ll do the same for my Senators.

        • unclesamnephew

          no can do! look at what happen to those who do. weiner of NY. i do not need to land on a pervert list. can we consider the senators who voted in favor, as perverts?

          • Sober_Thinking

            Lol… good point. 🙂

  • aposematic

    The Senate votes for Tyranny 89-8 (see Article 1, Section 7, of the Constitution of the US.) We have no longer, haven’t had for a long time now, a Lawfull Government. America’s Constitutional Republic in Intensive Care on life support. The Senate goading the House to pull the plug…

  • BeyondPolls

    Interesting that Rubio voted no.

    • Orangeone

      2016 potus stunt

      • Constance

        Agreed. I’m just not a huge Rubio fan, even though he is touted as some great conservative. I just don’t see it, judging from statements he has put out previously and votes he has cast. He toes the GOP line when told to do so, which turned me off long ago. He is looking at 2016. I will not be supporting him.

      • BeyondPolls

        It’s a good move nonetheless.

        • Orangeone

          Voting no is fine if it is for the right reasons.  Voting no to tout for political gain is deception and I for one have had enough of it.  It’s time the Senate be abolished and returned to the states.

          • BeyondPolls

            I agree that we should have never allowed the Constitution to be amended so that Senators are now statewide elected. This has caused some major problems for our country, but I think Rubio is an excellent person.

            • Orangeone

              You might want to check on Rubio’s position on illegal aliens. Anyone who says it’s okay to violate federal law and be rewarded for doing such is a traitor.

  • Conniption Fitz

    “Our economy needs spending restraing…”?

    NO – our economy needs a screeching halt in spending insanity, irresponsibility, obscenity.

    Our economy needs a government that is not drunk on its own power and privilege.

    Obama and his administration (and the powers that own them: Soros, Big Oil, Big Money, Big Arms, Foreign interests, China, Saudi Arabia, et al) are besotten with their power and are pillaging and despoiling every facet of our nation, morals, Constitutional freedoms, economic security, national defense, schools, churches…everything their dirty, greedy hands can grab and defile.

    They can never destroy our God-given, Scripture-based ideals: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=oOZF4vTAF2M&vq=medium

    They can never destroy Christ and His Kingdom. Many have tried for two thousand years, but the One True Light, Word, Power for Redemption and Good and Freedom and Peace can never be extinguished or forgotten or obliterated from the heart of humanity.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Spot on! Well said.

    • Amen!!!

      I know that my redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
      Job 19:25

      “It is impossible for that man to despair who remembers that his Helper is omnipotent.”
      Jeremy Taylor

      “When you have robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power. He is free again.” Alexander Solzhenitsyn

  • Sober_Thinking

    I’m surprised to see so many Democrats vote against this bill (relatively speaking) and saddened that so few Republicans voted against it. Rand Paul and Lee (Mike?) from Utah continue to score points with conservatives. I’d be stunned if it passed the House.

    There are no more words left to state how ignorant and superficial this lie is on America. It’s like being told you have cancer and then given aspirin for it. No, it’s more like putting just a bandaid on your arm. This is bill only serves to make Democrats look good and that they were right all along and it weakens Republicans even further… plus it allows Obama (the monster) to spend more money on his friends.

    I hate to be pessimistic, but imagine how this would have went if Romney had won. Republicans would still be spineless jerks and Democrats would still be flaming idiots… but the momentum would have swung for more conservative measures.

    Only God can cure what is wrong with this nation and this world.

    • Orangeone

      Boehner will ensure it passes the House. This has all been a game from the beginning and Romney was part and parcel of it. There was always the plan to dismantle this great country and the 500+ in Washington are so high on their own egos they don’t care about the hundreds of millions affected now or in the future.

      Our forefathers missed one very important thing. We The People have no way to dismantle a treasonous government except our 2nd Amendment.

      • Constance

        And, I agree with another of your posts here. I have been saying for weeks now that this was all settled months ago and the political theater of the Fiscal Cliff was perpetrated on the American public to pretend otherwise. The House will pass this bill. Boehner and Cantor will continue as leadership going forward. Obama will get everything he wants for the next four years. During the midterms, the GOP will pretend to be conservative to fool another round of the voting public into sending them back for another term, then they will jab the knives in our backs even further. I long ago lost any respect for the GOP. They make me sick.

        • Sober_Thinking

          Spot on.

      • Sober_Thinking

        I agree Romney was FAR from the solution… but with his victory, I wonder if the attitude and environment would be different. The Democrats are now piranhas in an arrogant frenzy as they taste the blood in the water of the flailing Republican turncoats. There might have been a slightly better outcome or environment if the beast wasn’t re-elected – at least for now.

        I said it before: I expect Obama and the damned Democrats to be all over this (they are wired for insanity)… but the Republicans (like Boehner) have no excuse whatsoever. In 2014, I’m ready to fire ALL of them I can with my vote. And “firing” is too good for them.

  • Well, there you have it. Hundreds of billions in new taxes and almost no spending cuts. I know, I know, Republicans are probably saying they will go for higher spending cuts during the debt-ceiling fight that’s about to come up in a few weeks. Well, we’ll see. But this agreement only proves that, as usual, Congress and the liberals sure do know how to spend money but they don’t have any experience in saving it. After all, it’s not their money. It’s yours.

    • Orangeone

      We hit the debt ceiling yesterday so this all should have been combined.

  • heavyhrt

    Why don’t you guys see that everyone, especially and including rich corporations, got us into this mess and should voluntarily contribute to get us out, in order to start over?

    There are several ideas abounding about collecting $1 a paycheck, etc., etc. that calculates busting the debt after a short while. No more blame, just do it?

    Then start eight economic zones run by hired top CEO’s to engage in regional development with open friendly competition, with strong Buy Local legislation and a hotline for anti-trust violations that thwart small businesses, and tax incentives such as 5% rate cut for every 500 permanent, full-time jobs created within six months…or the like?

    Can’t we stop polemics and do the right things, good action and less empty talk? Time for several petitions and demonstrations in Washington to cut government waste first and foremost, as well?

    Please no more rancor, just rigor?

    We need YOU to really help…

    “NOW is the time for all good men (MEN) to come to the aid of their country.”

    Time also to show that the women’s lib laws really are men’s lib, opportunities to skip out on the woman and child they won’t stand by. Need automatic paternity testing and automatic garnishment of wages from men who impregnate a woman but won’t marry them, relying on abortion and Medicare/aid to cover their tracks instead…

    GOOD MEN reading this, we need you to lead on exposing this–do you understand?

    NOW is the time…

    Please respond.


    • Conniption Fitz

      Big oil, big money and big arms, Soros, etc. are powers that control politicians who loot and pillage economies and defraud the little people.

      Entitlement benefits are 84% of the spending. This is people without jobs, educations, living on the public purse. As many as 40% of those are addicts, children and grandchildren of addicts and totally are unqualified/unable (too unethical-immoral) to work.

      • heavyhrt

        But the questions I’m raising are what can be done about it all? When can we move to good repairing actions? What did you think about some of the solutions I put forth? Please be specific and supportive of somethings. I supported Romney. I am ready to go to Washington to demonstrate for specific measures, one by one, by non-partisans with good ideas. How can we better organize and show what leadership and effective measures look like? Then you will have people follow your ideas, when they become visionary yet concrete, and manageable…Please respond to my original ideas if you would kindly. I am as interested as you in seeing change…

        • Constance

          Some great websites/groups to belong to that deal in petitions and reaching out to elected officials and also public demonstrations and conservative principles. I personally belong and participate in all of these groups, and many others. You have been asking what we can all do. We are already doing it:




          Landmark Legal Foundation – excellent legal group that challenges Washington nonsense every day. You can contribute to their efforts financially.

          Media Research Center – mrc.org


    • ApplePie101

      If the fiscal cliff is a smoldering volcano into which we must throw sacrificial victims, the first victims should be most of the officials on Capitol Hill. Departmental shut-downs on a massive scale before even a word is breathed of raising taxes. Don’t fall for anti-capitalist propaganda. True, many businesses, like GM and Goldman Sachs, had their noses in the trough. But who invited them to the trough? Our elected officials, who are the real culprits.

    • Constance

      Well, a few thoughts here on your post.

      The biggest problem I find with corporations, including non profits, is the tie directly to politicians and political parties. It is all incestuous, on both sides and by both parties. Votes have always been, and will always be, bought and paid for by the powerful. It existed at the founding of our country and will never be eradicated, no matter what. That doesn’t mean we do nothing, but we must understand that those rich corporations that keep skating? They do so at the approval of politicians elected by us over and over and over again. WE are responsible for who sits in Washington. WE are responsible for the 2nd term of Obama and the utter destruction of our freedoms that currently exist. Can’t blame it on the politicians or the corporations. They exist in power because we allow them.

      In my opinion, the Tea Party was the beginning of WE turning this around. The new media of conservative thought is powerful and growing ever more so all the time. Look at the amount of conservative radio personalities on air now compared to just ten years ago, and look at their listener numbers. It’s astounding. Look at this website alone, and how we all reach out and talk to each other and share information. This didn’t exist in large numbers even five years ago.

      What I’m trying to say is that we are already doing something about it. Personally, I have worked tirelessly in my local community and nationally volunteering, contributing financially and in writing, and educating everyone in my circle. Some minds can’t be changed. Some people are truly just too stupid and lazy to care – ignore them and move on. When I talk to someone and hear liberal/progressive talking points coming out of their mouth – I move on. They won’t hear me, and I have better things to do.

      Most of us out here have been doing a lot of hard work for years now. It shows, even though Obama was elected again, and the congress sucks. It still shows if you really look. Reversing decades of public ignorance and political lies will in turn take decades. It may result in all out public insurrection – armed or otherwise. There will come a breaking point, and I believe sooner than later, but it is impossible to know when that will be, or in what form it will come. If the American people marched on Washington (which the Tea Party did in droves repeatedly since 2009), not much would be accomplished without the assistance of the media and the elected officials. It starts at the local levels – state level. Look at the number of GOP governors in this country now, and many of them rock solid. Good things are there.

      As for the women’s lib stuff? My question is how come so many women allow themselves to be repeated victims? How about some birth control, abstinence and responsibility for their own actions? Can’t afford to feed yourself? Then don’t put yourself in a position to get pregnant. Stop the problem before it begins – that’s the real answer. Take away the need for welfare, entitlement, government intervention. We wouldn’t need welfare and Medicaid if people could support themselves and their local communities did the job. So many people stand around with their thumbs up their noses and their hands out – they have no understanding of just taking care of their own problems. It is a mindset that has been decades in the making. Again, it will take decades to turn it around.

      • heavyhrt

        yes. no one should allow being victimized. abstinence outside of marriage is that answer.

        but would like to ask one small question: what about requiring paternity test and mandatory child support for a child brought into the world by two tangoing?

        can’t understand why concerning all the laws that used to protect women (alimony as long as she is a single mom needing to take care of children and child support as well) but no one wants to bring those back?

        better than abortion and entitlements don’t you think ?

  • Conniption Fitz

    UPDATE: Even the Pope is joining in – playing socialist politics – speaking against unbridled capitalism: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/01/us-pope-idUSBRE90004820130101

    Clue to Pope – Sir, That’s what laws are for, to bridle crooks and human rights offenders (including priestly sex offenders).

    Problems occur when judges, legislators, police, authorities in church and state and in the media distort and ignore the law and cover up offenses.

    • Kordane

      Notice how he denounced “the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset”, even though self-interest and individualism are the cornerstones of what made America the most powerful, most prosperous and most advanced nation in the history of Mankind.

      If he’s against selfishness and individualism, then that must mean he’s for altruism and collectivism.

      Collectivist-altruism was the moral code which gave rise to the phrase “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”, and thus gave rise to Communism. The Pope is on the Left for sure.

    • StrangernFiction

      I wish I could say I was surprised. How many Catholics voted for Comrade Zero? With friends like these………….

      • KenInMontana

        How many Protestants did?

    • I don’t want Catholics to get mad at me, but I can’t help but think the Pope when he talks about inequality between rich and poor, he reminds me of hypocrites like the hollywood left who make their millions, yet trash “the rich” and tell others to pay more. I’m sorry, but I’m looking at a guy who is dressed in robes that probably are worth more than my car, speaking from a building that contains art and icons worth beyond what I can imagine to a christian church which is one of the most wealthiest on the face of the planet…. and oddly enough, one which is made up of a lot of democrats.
      Peace, is a good thing to pray for. I do every day.
      Pray to end wars and poverty is also good, which I also pray for.
      But he should well know that we will never achieve peace or eradicate all poverty, only Jesus will do that. Yes we can pray and help the poor, we can pray for hearts to change and we can hope to end wars, but looking to a world governing body to do these things smacks of one world government and the stage set for Antichrist.

    • Orangeone

      Clue to the Pope: The Catholic church ignored the Nazi genocide.

      • KenInMontana

        At worst that’s an outright lie, at best a misinformed opinion.

        • Orangeone

          Ken, with all respect, take a look at history.  The Catholic church was well aware of what was happening to the Jews in Germany. Records have been released and are available for review at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

          • KenInMontana

            “Were I a Catholic, perhaps I should have expected the Pope, as the avowed representative of Christ on earth, to speak out for justice and against murder – irrespective of the consequences. But as a Jew, I view the Church and the Papacy as human institutions, as frail and fallible as all the rest of us. Frail and fallible, Pius had choices thrust upon him time and time again, which would have made a lesser man falter. The 261st Pope was, after all, merely the First Catholic, heir to many prejudices of his predecessors and shortcomings of his 500 million fellow believers. The primary guilt for the slaughter of a third of my people is that of the Nazis who perpetrated the holocaust. But the secondary guilt lies in the universal failure of Christendom to try and avert or, at least, mitigate the disaster; to live up to its own ethical and moral principles, when conscience cried out: Save!, whilst expediency counselled aloofness. Accomplices are all those countless millions who knew my brothers were dying, but yet chose not to see, refused to help and kept their peace. Only against the background of such monumental egotism, within the context of millennial Christian anti-Judaism, can one begin to appraise the Popes wartime record. When armed force ruled well-nigh omnipotent, and morality was at its lowest ebb, Pius XII commanded none of the former and could only appeal to the latter, in confronting, with bare hands, the full might of evil. A sounding protest, which might turn out to be self-thwarting – or quiet, piecemeal rescue? Loud words – or prudent deeds? The dilemma must have been sheer agony, for which ever course he chose, horrible consequences were inevitable. Unable to cure the sickness of an entire civilization, and unwilling to bear the brunt of Hitler’s fury, the Pope, unlike many far mightier than he, alleviated, relieved, retrieved, appealed, petitioned – and saved as best he could by his own lights. Who, but a prophet or a martyr could have done much more?” ~Pinchas Lapide, Israeli Historian, from “Three Popes and the Jews”

            Lapide also credits Pius XII with saving the lives of over 700,000 Jews. To single out the Pope and Catholics, and point the finger of blame of “ignoring the Holocaust” at them, at us, is to cherry pick the facts, for nothing more than the sake of bashing Catholics. Particularly, when every other national government appeased the Nazis and ignored the plight of European Jews. Perhaps you and others that seem to live to bash Catholics and the Catholic Church, should consider the Scriptures that you are all so fond of quoting (Matthew 7:5 springs to mind) before narrowly focusing blame on one particular group for all the ills and wrongs of history. There is plenty of blame and shame to go around when examining history, human beings are, after all, only human.

            Addendum: I would be remiss if I did not mention the fact, that American Catholics, like those of any other “faith” in this nation, are found in nearly every major political ideology “practiced” in this country. We tend to refer to ourselves as “American Catholics”, not the other way around.

            • Orangeone

              Ken, first I am a Catholic and simply outraged at how the Vatican ignored the savage treatment and butchery of the Jews. I did not say in my post that none were aided by Catholics nor did I focus the blame of Nazi Germany and its atrocities on Catholics. In fact, I personally know survivors who were and Catholics that hid Jewish children. But reality is reality. Catholics, and those of other religions and atheists knew what was happening to the Jewish population and did nothing. Humans murdered other innocent humans and went to church on Sunday morning.

              Nor did I make any statement about any other nation. America herself has a lot to be ashamed of not only for the acts during the war but harboring the savages in this country after the war.

              Finally, I made absolutely no reference to scripture.

              There are literally thousands of documents at the Holocaust Memorial Museum documenting how the Vatican turned a blind eye to what was occurring. That is not cherry picking the facts. They are facts. If we do not remember and learn from history, we are deemed to repeat it.

              • KenInMontana

                You stated, “The Catholic Church ignored the Holocaust”. I provided evidence to the contrary.

                • Orangeone

                  The comment was about the Pope. The Pope represents the Catholic Church (ie the Vatican).
                  I absolutely agree that some Catholics assisted but at the highest levels, not so much.

  • conservative58

    I feel like this country went OVER THE CLIFF on November 6, and we are just beginning to experience the consequences. All the shenanigans on these so-called ‘deals’ we see coming from this administration are total BS for the purpose of satisfying the ‘low information’ people who elected these morons into office.

    Hopefully, as we are beginning to ‘hit bottom’, more Americans will wake up and join the fight to save our country. We must hurry before the next season of American Idol kicks in and diverts attention away from the real problem. — Sorry for the sarcasm, but unfortunately I think too many Americans care more about being entertained than saving our great nation.

  • aposematic

    Gangster Government, laws are anvils to suppress the smucks that may continue to resist tyranny.

  • Godisright

    Oh boy, I’m so excited about these last minute, downtown the wire, decisions. Will we get to read it after it’s passed? Since the economy is doing so splendidly, why are we so anxious about unemployment benefit extensions?

    Late to bed late to rise makes a Senator sick, broke and stupid.
    I think I will have another bowl of cereal – I feel so much better about that as well!

  • heavyhrt

    Ok liberty hawks, this is strange to me…why do all of the comments have Like and Reply buttons, except mine, which has Edit or Reply buttons only?? How does this work?

    I have opinions that I wish someone had the courage to respond to. The entitlement problem is hugely serious, yes, but if people got married and stayed together, we wouldn’t have as much addiction nor entitlements. Obvious.

    What about this hits a raw nerve?

    • conservative58

      Welcome aboard heavyhrt!

      “Ok liberty hawks, this is strange to me…why do all of the comments have Like and Reply buttons, except mine, which has Edit or Reply buttons only?? How does this work? ”

      – Click on the LIKE button to show you like/support someone’s post.
      – Click on the REPLY button if you wish to reply/respond to someone’s post.

      – Click on the EDIT button if you wish to make changes to YOUR post. You do not have the ability to EDIT someone else’s post, nor can anyone EDIT your post.

      Hope that helps.

      • heavyhrt

        I see. Thx.

        Still hoping for, you know, dialogue.

        Will try to persevere!

      • heavyhrt

        All such talk about what the Lord wants…

        “Take care of the poor” and “Be father to the Fatherless,” as He rebuked and judged Israel which paid no heed to these.

        What does this really mean and is it a warning for us today? Absolutely.

        As well as, “Those who don’t take care of their family (ie. national family–incl. fatherless children) are worse than unbelievers.”

        Does this also mean something today for the nation? Absolutely.

        But there must be clear vision and an action plan…


      • heavyhrt

        Dear Nice Person:

        Sincere question this New Year’s Day:

        What do you think would happen to entitlements if there was mandatory paternity testing for all unwed mothers and mandatory garnishment of wages for men who will not marry and take care of the mother and child?

        May I ask such a question?

        Thx for your help earlier…

    • Orangeone

      If I may add, you cannot like your own post. If you look to the left of the buttons it will tell you how many Likes you have to that post. Sometimes a name and # of likes will appear. So in looking at the post I’m replying to, it shows “1 person liked this.” That may change if the “liker” unlikes your post or if more people like it.

  • Rubio voted against bill? An embarassment for Florida.

    • StNikao

      Good for Rubio.

  • Terrenceor

    What is wrong with these people? Now I have a mission, and that is to work to unseat Saxby in 2014 when he is up for re-election. At least I have clarity on that. Now I will wait and see about Rep. Woodall.

  • KM

    Today’s political parties: Democrats = liberal-heavy, Republicans = liberal-lite.

    I pity my 25-year old daughter and 3-year old granddaughter.

    On a good note, well…, —– there isn’t any “good” notes…

  • aposematic

    It might get interesting to see on which down Boehner decides to punt!

  • PFFV

    Kicking the can down the road for eternity only makes this game of russian roulette more deadly for working Americans. No cuts in spending? These elected idiots have no spines what so ever! Many of the professional liars promised not to raise taxes but they voted to raise them anyways. I hate Government and I will never participate in their game of deceit and lies again. This country needs a collapse and now to wake up the mind numbed drones. These elected officials are irresponsible and childish! The only solution is to cut spending but they don’t cut anything of course. I say let Rome burn on Obama’s watch! He threw gas on a small fire let him feel the heat!

  • Wow, this was TRULY a bipartisan Senate consensus, as illustrated by the fact that the Nay votes were almost evenly split between the two parties. I hope the House does the responsible thing and brings this bill up to a vote without inserting any “poison pill amendments.”

  • StrangernFiction

    This legislation would not raise rates on anyone. They had already been raised at midnight. It would have simply cut taxes for most people. The “fiscal cliff” is a complete farce perpetrated by both parties. The problem is spending, and the GOP controls the purse strings. If they want to cut spending they can do it all by themselves. But they want to spend more, hence the kabuki dance.

  • Well played by the GOP leadership. They turned a disaster into a fiasco. Here is a lesson for the GOP…if you are going to lose, lose on principle if you have any. Both of my OH state senators voted for this nonsense, without reading the non-existent bill, apparently thinking that passing bad legislation is better than passing none at all. Congratulations to Paul, Rubio, Shelby, etc in the Senate for not supporting this mess. I look for the conservatives in the House to do the same. Given the outcome of this “fiscal cliff” prevarication, I will not be supporting the GOP anymore as long as McConnell and Boehner are in charge.

    • white531

      I agree. This bill should have never passed the Senate. Kudos to the eight Senators who voted against it.

      • mark1955

        With all due respects those senators do not deserve any kudo’s. They were building up Phony Conservative ‘Street Cred’, in order to take the sting out of the liberal votes the plan to cast soon which will be much more devestating. Particularly Grassley on the Assault Weapon’s Ban http://www.southwestiowanews.com/council_bluffs/news/grassley-gun-control-should-include-other-weapons/article_5737b43c-4a48-11e2-b7cc-0019bb2963f4.html and Rubio with the soon to be voted on Dream Act. This was a safe vote for those Frauds as they had NO chance at stopping it. But when it becomes time to stick it to us and either pass liberal legislation or stop Conservative Bills,you can count on the repubs to do the wrong thing as a party and by design. 95% of the repub Party and legislators are fully onboard Obama’s ( Rockefeller/Rotschild ) NWO agenda. Both political parties are working together to destroy Our Republic from the inside. If you check out Grassley on Firearms legislation,he not only would like to Ban many Firearms,but also knives. We need a new Party and we need it now!

        • white531

          I disagree. I think Senator Grassley has an excellent voting record. You can always find some point of disagreement with anyone’s voting record, but overall, I think his is a good one.

          Your main concern seems to be his position on gun control. This might interest you:

          Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
          Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
          Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
          Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004) –
          Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
          Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
          Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
          Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
          National cross-state standard for concealed carry. (Jan 2009)
          Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Aug 2010)
          Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
          Apply concealed carry permit to all other states where legal. (Feb 2009)
          Dangerousness, not mental incompetence, limits gun rights. (Mar 2009)

          As for Rubio, I am not that familiar with the man, but he is in favor of Amnesty, that is for sure. I don’t like the talk of him being a presidential candidate, either. Just like Obama, he does not meet the requirements for the office.

          As for their personal reasons for voting against this recent bill, I have no idea. I would hope they voted their conscience, but only time will tell.

  • ApplePie101

    The senate’s cliff deal cuts spending by only only $15 billion, and increases taxes by $620 billion, a 41:1 ratio, according to the CBO. Sweet.

    • Sandra123456

      Or as Drudge now headlines: $1 in cuts for every $41 in taxes.

      It would be nice to have some patriotic ADULTS in Congress. What a joke.

      • Conniption Fitz


        Socialists/communists/progressives/fascists are dogs who bite the hand that feeds them.

  • BHliberty

    Nothing but a “sock it to the rich” bill! Sad, just sad! And just wait until they take up the sequestration cuts in two months, they pass something in the 11th hour! Hope the house votes it down until all Bush Tax cuts are made permanent and no raise in captial gains taxes!

    • BHliberty

      But I’m not hopeful!

      • RCL

        That’s a joke, right?

        • BHliberty

          Not a joking matter RCL!

          • BHliberty

            Especially if you own a business!

  • heavyhrt

    Thx–got it.

    Now wondering about if there will ever be effective change.

    I miss the days about 50 years ago when folks thought they could really make change here in the US. Seems like people have effectively given up, thinking change can still be made but only in Africa. Kudos to those who go there to try.

    But what about the poor here?

    The dialogue needs to be about working for cultural and economic change here.

    I try but to no avail, I guess. Not that experienced. but still I have eyes to see and ears to hear.

    Don’t give up. Try harder.


    • Constance

      I understand your pessimism, but I do not share it completely. People here have not given up – we are all here, yes? Conservative groups and conversations have grown dramatically in a few short years. Changing the cultural and economic woes facing this country is a long, hard road to fight, but here we are, fighting. We all wish that everything would just suddenly turn around, but it won’t. We are fighting a corrupt media and a corrupt government. We are fighting American citizens who have learned the fine art of getting something for nothing. We are fighting generations of people educated in a progressive garbage pit of unionized teachers and government-run educational think tanks, aka the public school system. It’s a frightening mountain range of manure to climb over, but it is not impossible. We are moving forward. Slowly, but we are. I see it all the time.

  • louisiana_mom

    Some days I really wonder if the Repubs in Washington secretly have a death wish… They always fall for the Democrats traps and never seem remorseful afterwards… This was nothing more than a trap by the Dems to get the Republicans to vote for a tax increase. The Dems one and only goal in this entire fiscal cliff was to destroy the Republican party and it looks like they fell for it! How can it be, that I could see the trap from way down here in Louisiana but they couldn’t sitting in the same room? They have to have a death wish…

    • Constance

      Or, perhaps the majority of the GOP actually agrees with what they are voting for, making them all part of the same gang of thieves and liars running this country. I used to believe in the GOP. Not anymore. I see them as the same garbage as their “friends” on the other side of the aisle. We want to believe that they have our backs, but reality shows us differently time and again. They aren’t the stupid party. They aren’t the nice party that simply gets done in by the evil democrats. They are the complicit party – playing the same game, only pretending they aren’t.

    • PhillyCon

      The GOP is more afraid of the Democrat propaganda machine–the MSM– than they are of the Democrats themselves. They don’t have the courage or the creativity to effectively engage the Dems and/or their PR arm.

  • heavyhrt

    Reasons Obama won: Democrats as a group believe they are doing more, such as seen on this link:


    Hence why Obama successfully aligned himself with Hollywood–brilliant move.

    I don’t like it although good work is good work–

    Would rather see conservatives activate more for good causes here.

    Stop hating. Need to be more positive and more pro-active.

    That’s the only way to get any change you want.

    We need good soldiers to lead, not just talk.

    Ex: Advocate for Right-to-Life abstinance education and men’s Promise-Keepers education.

    Or is this too boring?

    When do we stop throwing stones and start doing more?

  • RocklinConservative

    Does anyone notice that this is how all the supposed negotiations work anymore. Make it a panic for months, pretend to be concerned and offering proposals and finally just caving in the end? And when I say caving, I really mean doing what they know we don’t want them to do and trying to pass it off as a necessary evil. Total BS. The fix was in before it started. They are ALL on the SAME PAGE!!!!

  • Amberson

    “It also blocks spending cuts for two months, extends unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, prevents a 27 percent cut in fees for doctors who treat Medicare patients and prevents a spike in milk prices.” This kind of control is PURE socialism.

    AND did they raise the capital gains rate??? If it’s effective retroactively, that’s extremely dastardly, as it prevented anyone from selling at the lower rate!! In any case, it will drive unemployment higher as investors take their money elsewhere where they can actually get a decent return.

  • Why in the hell is the GOP providing cover for Obama?

    • Constance

      Very intriguing question. God, I wish I knew the answer.

  • Conservator1

    I was one of a few here who supported House Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B.” As I had posted many times, Obama, Reid and Democrats had already REJECTED it. Thus, there was NO RISK of passage or raising taxes on just those earning $1 million per year.

    Most important to me, passage would have offered cover for the the cowardly Republicans in the Senate to support the “Plan B” option. This would have place the onus on Obama and Reid to pass legislation in the Senate. Recall that even when Democrats controlled the White House and Congress, they failed to pass one federal budget.

    Organizations like the Heritage Foundation, various Tea Party groups and conservative political pundits opposed Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ and pressured House members not to support it. That left Republicans with McConnell negotiating with Obama, Biden and Reid and McConnell’s record in this regard has been horrific since Obama was elected in 2008. This became clear when 40 Republican Senators voted for this awful bill.

    Thus, instead of raising income taxes on those earning $1 million, taxes will rise on those earning $450,000 a year. Also, there’s only $1 in cuts for every $41 in new taxes. IMO, the so-called caving charge made against Speaker Boehner created the true cavers – Senate Republicans – and now it’s likely that probably 100 or more House Republicans will vote with their Senate colleagues.

    On most issues, I agree with my conservative brethren here. However, I’m very disappointed with the infighting among conservatives which has left them weaker and awarded Obama a big WIN while making the GOP look like a bunch of clowns.

    • PhillyCon

      Re: Plan B, your argument assumes that it would have passed the Senate. Reid said it was DOA. So, it can be argued that Plan B would not have mattered.

      As for conservative infighting, it was on display during the primaries. Everyone had their niche candidate, while the others were never pure enough. Nothing new to see here, unfortunately.

      • Conservator1

        My comment didn’t make any assumption that Boehner’s ‘Plan B’ would PASS in the Senate. In fact, that was the reason why I supported the ‘Plan B’ option.

        As I noted, Obama, Reid and Democrats had already REJECTED it prior to the House considered bringing it to the floor. Thus, there was NO RISK of passage or raising taxes on just those earning $1 million per year.

        But the conservative infighting caused it to fail in the House which lead to Minority Leader McConnell to negotiate a deal with Obama and Reid – this has been a disaster for Republicans in the recent pass. And that’s what occurred last night when the House passed McConnell’s deal.

        I hope all conservatives know the helping hand they played where Obama and Democrats took the whole jackpot in a big win that will lead to a bankrupt America.

  • BHliberty

    Good for Michael Fitzpatrick and Darrell Issa for discussing on the floor freezing pay for congress and federal workers!

    • BHliberty

      Wow, Michelle Bachman just made an awesome speech on the floor! Goooo Bachman!

      • Conniption Fitz

        Bachmann is always crystal clear conservative.

      • Conniption Fitz

        (Washington, D.C.) Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (MN-06) today introduced legislation that would rescind the portion of President Obama’s executive order that gives members of Congress a pay raise.

        “I am calling on my colleagues in the House and Senate to rescind President Obama’s executive order that gives members of Congress a pay raise. This executive order was not requested by Congress and we should reject it. We have a spending problem in our country and we should be looking for areas to cut spending. At a time when families across the country are cutting back we should not increase government spending and add to the debt burden by giving members of Congress a pay raise. We need to begin with ourselves and I urge my colleagues to join me in this effort.”

  • ApplePie101

    I would be fine with having Darrell Issa as speaker of the house. Good on him for demanding a recorded vote, too.

    • Constance

      Me too! Actually, at this point, Snoop Dog would make a better Speaker than Boehner. Okay… maybe that is going too far, but you get my point. 🙂

    • BHliberty

      A good man!

  • BHliberty

    It appears that the house is using delay tactics (rightfully so) on the senate bill HR8! Putting the delays into good use!

  • I am glad Marco was a no.

  • PhillyCon

    I clearly remember Sean Hannity interviewing Jim Bunning (R-KY) as he was retiring from the Senate a couple years ago. Jim Bunning took alot of heat for putting a hold on a bill approving another extension of unemployment benefits. His main criticism of the bill was that this new spending was not paid for, and he wanted to offset the new spending with cuts somewhere else. As you can imagine, he was vilified for this and called lots of names.

    This was his parting shot, as he was departing the Senate. So, when Hannity asked him about the make-up of the Senate, Bunning stated that “we need 70 Senators” to fix the fiscal mess, and note this was TWO YEARS ago!

    The fact that 8 Senators voted against the bill is telling, and that Jim Bunning said we need 70 like-minded Senators shows you how far behind we really are. Not encouraging at all.

  • sjmom

    I’ve been pretty subdued lately but after this Senate vote I am rip roaring angry. We have one party who is evil and another who is stupid! There, I’ve said it, the Republicans are stupid!

    What really has me livid is Obama bragging he got the Republicans to break their “no tax pledge” to the American people. This man is straight from the pit of Hell to gloat over a broken promise. God forgive me for my thoughts and words earlier because they weren’t Biblical in any way, shape or form.

    Wait until the American people see what they have wrought through their votes. As my grandmother said; you’ve made your bed and now you will lie in it. Oh, the cries will be great when the lack of money in their wallet isn’t able to cover food, gas, meds and other necessities.

    A fool depends on govt and get snookered while a wise man depends on God.
    “The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.” Psalm 23:1

  • heavyhrt

    All the work is not done on the Congressional floor. Much needs to be done outside. They are gridlocked.

    How about this:

    Learning From History

    “Ten Historically Significant Political Protests”

    (per link: http://www.livescience.com/16153-10-significant-political-protests.html)

    and attempts to apply to today:

    Then Now

    Protestant Reformation Speeches, Petitions to Restore School Prayer/Meditation to Prevent More School Massacres

    Storming of the Bastille Marches To Overturn Citizens United Subversion of Elections

    Ghandi’s Salt March 1500 Mile Walk Across America’s Small Farms to Protest Monsanto-Like Anti-Trust Violations

    Boston Tea Party Marches/Demonstrations. to Cut-Obscene-Gov’t-Waste-First & Fairer/Flatter Tax Next

    Mandela’s Stay at Home Day Protests to Stop Gov’t Surveillance of Citizens

    Tianamen Square Protest Against Violations of Transparancy in Gov’t Laws

    Berlin Wall Protests Marches to Make All Environmental Laws Subject to Cost Accounting VS Job Creation

    Iraq War Protests Marches to Make All Wars Require Congressional

    The Ukranian Orange Revolution Protests to Enact Voter ID Laws

    In Honor of All Protests Marches to Hold Fathers Accountable for Paternity and Mandatory Child Support/alimony & Protest Gov’t Payment for Abortions

  • wondrng

    We are all in this together; we must try to get out together.

    Chalk it up to charity.

    Next, eight economic zones that have boards of CEO’s revitalizing business in the region, buy local legislation, anti-trust vigilance, investors given tax incentives of all kinds for jobs created after six months. Paternity, alimony and child support laws, adoption incentives, abstinence education, government waste enormously investigated and eliminated.

    C’mon now. Take it to the streets.

    But do not make it partisan; just good policies.

    No rancor, just rigor.

    Have a good beginning to your New Year.


  • mark1955

    All of Grassley’s supposedly pro-Second ammendment votes are for naught if he capitulates this time. This is the Big ‘Enchilada” which will quite possibly lead us to another Horrific “Civil War”. Also if you read the link i provided,he not only wants to Ban certain Firearms,but would like to add knives to the list

    Another thing he has an “A” rating by the NRA just like leftie Joe Manchin who now has had a rather “Timely” change of heart and now wants Firearms to have a 3 round limit capacity. Finally Grassley’s 1990’s votes,were taken place when there were still even a few Conservative and not pretend Patriotic “Blue Dog” democrats and many real Conservative repubs unlike now. Grassley had no choice to vote the way he did and i believe now we are seeing the “REA”L Chuck Grassley.

  • mark1955

    All of Grassley’s supposedly pro-Second ammendment votes are for naught if he capitulates this time. This is the Big ‘Enchilada” which will quite possibly lead us to another Horrific “Civil War”. Also if you read the link i provided,he not only wants to Ban certain Firearms,but would like to add knives to the list

    Another thing he has an “A” rating by the NRA just like leftie Joe Manchin who now has had a rather “Timely” change of heart and now wants Firearms to have a 3 round limit capacity. Finally Grassley’s 1990’s votes,were taken place when there were still even a few Conservative and not pretend Patriotic “Blue Dog” democrats and many real Conservative repubs unlike now. Grassley had no choice to vote the way he did and i believe now we are seeing the “REA”L Chuck Grassley.

  • mnolan13

    Pat Roberts, see ya in 2014. Jerry Moran, 2016.

    I am so sick of my supposedly conservative Kansas sending big-government, big-spending, big-taxing fiscal liberals to DC. Whatever I can do to make sure these two are ousted will be done.

    The problem is finding a fiscally conservative Republican in this state. Maybe there’s a Democrat who can stand up for some fiscal sanity?

  • kloyd0306

    The Nov election was meaningless. We learned nothing and we changed nothing.

    $41 in taxes for every $1 in spending cuts.

    Are you kidding me!

  • tinlizzieowner

    And the soap opera ‘Congressional Kabuki Theater’ goes on.

  • tinlizzieowner

    I think the House just caved in and passed the Senate bill. 🙁

  • Jay

    Aaaaalllll aboard! Next stop, third world.

  • pryrplz

    Still unfamiliar with this–why each time I log on there is a different thread going for this article, one with 370+ comments, another 17 comments, another 35 comments, all with different comments, and back and forth between the threads?