UH OH: Dr. Ben Carson not sure you should be able to own a semi-automatic weapon if you live in populated area

Dr. Ben Carson says he believes in the 2nd amendment, but he also says that if you live in a populated area where your semi-auto weapon might fall in the hands of a crazy person, then he’d prefer you not have it. But if you live out in the sticks, then he’s all good with that.

He says it’s an issue for local governments to decide.

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  • E. Lee Zimmerman

    Wow. How quickly the mighty fall, eh?

    • deTocqueville1

      Yes, not ready for prime time!

      • Aworldinchaos

        This morning watching the whole 3 segments, there was more than this issue that he wanted govt regs which is far more than he makes out. Each to there own i guess but ideas on health/taxs seem logical but he is no constutionalist

  • It’s the CONSTITUTION… doc.

    (to borrow from the brightest moment in Bill Clinton’s entire campaign, when someone reminded him of THE CORE ISSUE then).

  • skspls

    I think Dr. Carson may come around if someone would educate him on the matter of firearms. Maybe he and Bill Whittle should have a chat.

    • deTocqueville1

      If he is seriously contemplating elective office of any kind he should have educated himself already. Further, at his stage in life this is something he should have thought and informed himself about already.

      • agreed.

      • StrangernFiction

        No kidding. It’s the 2ND Amendment. There is only one before it.

        This is a disqualifier.

      • DocinPA

        When you’re the chief of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins (where, by the way, neurosurgery was invented), you’re just a “tad” busy. I think he’ll be fine. And I say that as a physician and a 2nd Amendment absolutist.

        • I hope you’re right. I had high hopes for him.

        • What does being a tad busy have to do with knowing what the Constitution is all about? What makes you so confident that he’ll be fine?

          • DocinPA

            Neurosurgery, especially pediatric neurosurgery (and most especially at Hopkins) is a brutally busy one. I doubt he’s had a whole lot of time to think about many of these issues. He’s incredibly inspirational and that was one hell of a speech that he gave. I’m willing to cut him some slack until he elaborates further.

      • skspls

        I don’t believe Dr. Carson has made any decision to pursue and elective office. It’s certainly worth giving him a second chance on this Second Amendment postition.

  • RefudiateGOPe

    People better pay attention. Carson is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    • He’s not a wolf in anything. He’s an honest man who apparently has different ideas on the 2nd amendment than we do.

      If he was a wolf he’d be lying about everything, not telling the truth.

      • I might agree with the first part, but as far as wolves lying about everything, remember that a lie is most convincingly told between two truths.

        • They tell the truth to their own people…not the people they are trying to con. #context

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        ??? I don’t know whether he’s being honest or not. That’s something each of us must judge. Yes, I’d agree that in appearances we have an honest disagreement. How do we know he didn’t say what he originally said (about healthcare) to create his own viral moment? We don’t.

      • skspls

        I doubt if Dr. Carson is really familiar with firearm issues. We just need to educate him in the field. I’m sure he would be a quick study.

        • MissMyGuy

          you dont need to know anything about guns. all you need to know is history and the Constitution. then it doesnt matter what kind of gun can do what. criminals dont care about the constitution, but we must in order to protect ourselves

        • OneThinDime

          You can’t say I support the 2nd Amendment in one breath and say local gov’t should decide if you own a gun in the other and be okay in my book. All he needs to do is look at Chicago to see how well gun bans in highly populated areas don’t work!

        • TonyToye

          No he is not, you could tell he winged that answer!

        • CalCoolidge

          Did God tell the Israelites no weapons in populated areas?

          Did he tell David not to bring his sling to Jerusalem?

        • What is all this with people saying he just needs to be educated on firearms? This is about knowing what the Constitution is about and the 2nd Amend. He didn’t get to where he is by not reading. It’s either you strongly believe and adhere to the 2nd Amend. and the right of the people, or you don’t. There’s none of this “educating” him on the subject. This head of Neurosurgery guy doesn’t need to be “educated.”

      • Don

        You are exactly correct.,Right Scoop. He is an extremely intelligent conservative with a slightly different opinion on semi-automatic weapons. Although I tend to disagree with him, I completely understand where he is coming from and respect his opinion. I have had the honor to lead men in combat in two different countries. I know what can result from the exchange of semi-automatic weapons in the matter of seconds. Thats why they call them body counts. For someone who has not been trained, it could be devastating to innocents that could be caught in the line of fire. When you can fire 20 rounds in a matter of seconds, they can easily pentrate walls and windows and create a killing range much more than you would think. Family menbers have died because of those trying to protect them. The major reason I am against any ban on weapons that are available to criminals is that it is a deterrent for those who would have firepower they know you would not have. Address the cause of the rage that causes mentally deranged killers to commit carnage, not a piece of metal that has no heart, no brain or no soul. It puts the innocent at the mercy of those who are evil.

        • So Don; you truly believe that the Second Amendment’s purpose and reason for being so specific is up for debate or worthy of a conversation? Which Constitution did you swear an oath to protect and uphold? The approximately 8,000 word one or the 800 billion word one subject to opinion polls.

          The Second Amendment is to guarantee weapons as effective as the ones held by the GOVERNMENT, not the ones held by criminals. It’s to protect the people from the government agencies, not other individuals.

        • I am of the opinion that training in the proper use of weapons should be required. Not the banning of said weapons.

      • RefudiateGOPe

        A sly wolf doesn’t lie about everything. Someone who says that the government should pay for catastrophic health care is not a friend of Conservatives. Someone who thinks that insurance company profits should be taxed an additional 5% is not a friend of Conservatives. ( http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705328925/Let-government-provide-catastrophic-health-care-coverage-doctor-says.html?pg=all ) Someone who thinks that an urban dweller has different constitutional rights than a rural dweller is not a friend of Conservatives.

        A sly wolf understands what his listeners want to hear. IMO, Carson has recognized Conservatives to be his new marketplace, resulting in paid speeches and more books sold. Carson has tapped into the Conservative need for a voice.

        • sabra3182

          You sound like a liberal – so quick to pass judgement and demonize. We need black, brilliant, common sense conservatives that resonate with the people on our side – people that can articulate conservative principles and this man can do that. Maybe just maybe Dr Ben Carson can reach those on the fence and many who will listen just because he’s black and has a compelling life story.

          Conservatives will differ on some issues…although maintaining fiscal responsibility and protecting this country are crucial issues for us.

          • RefudiateGOPe

            I don’t think that just because someone gives a good speech he should be canonized and declared as a savior for the Conservative movement. It’s pretty silly that so many people jumped on the Carson bandwagon and started chanting Carson2016.

            Carson is a man with opinions. I agree with some, and disagree with others. I do believe that he’s trying to turn his prayer breakfast speech into a revenue stream, and that’s fine. That’s capitalism.

            • OneThinDime

              And he has been raising a lot of $$$$ for his nonprofit from it. I’m glad to see Hannity and Beck vet him, very politely, giving him a chance to explain his views.

        • You are so ready to call him a liberal based on what? This? Please; if someone disagrees with your tax plan, are they a liberal too?

      • exactly, rs.

      • JohnCraven

        Right Scoop, I agree with you about Dr. Carson’s position on the 2nd Ammendment.

        As for Dr. Carson needing the healthcare breakfast to create his own viral moment, anyone who’s known of Dr. Carson knows his entire career has been one long and very important “viral moment”.

        He’s clearly thought a great deal about healthcare and education and taxes judging by his brilliance at the National Prayer Breakfast where he clearly and convincingly slapped down everything Obama stands for.

        I suspect if someone were to sit down with him and have a dialogue about the 2nd Ammendment which I don’t think he has thought too much about, he would come around to the position that most who post here support.

        As for being a wolf in sheep’s clothing, again anyone who’s known of Dr. Carson for the last 30 years knows he’s genuine in what he believes and stands for.

        John Craven
        New Orleans

      • Lets not forget who he was speaking in front of when he first caught our eyes…..Obama

        It might have been all planned out
        1 give a speech, where you hammer Obama a bit…not that it changes Obamacare in any way
        2 then get embraced by the oppositioon
        3 then inject liberal views to influence the positions of the oppostion

        I guess what Im saying is …..We should not latch on to every single person that says something we like. We should be wary and careful

        With that said , I see the good Doctor as not really having a position thought out.

      • I do believe he’s someone with morals and common sense, but then again if you’re a person who strongly believes in the right of the people and the Constitution then you wouldn’t even hesitate to voice it. He may have different ideas but we don’t want anyone with different ideas about the 2nd Amend., that’s what we already have and are trying to eliminate.

    • c4pfan

      I don’t think he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing, but he’s no leader.

    • G_unitttt

      nice name there “RefudiateGOPe”…..i get the reference. so you really hate sarah palin and the GOP huh? do share. you can cry on my shoulder

      wolf in sheep’s clothing? like you’re fool dressed like a retard?

    • I disagree the man has a simple but effective message educate your self and make educated decisions. He is not politicaly correct he believes in the values of family and free markets He believes the path to prosperity lies within ones self

  • That flash in the pan is officially over.

    • c4pfan

      Well, I hope people at least people see that he’s not getting it on this one.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Or, at least, not so flashy.

  • Local governments to decide? Yeah I don’t think so. The Constitution already spells out our rights and ‘local governments’ don’t get to pick and choose which ones WE are allowed to have.

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Precisely. That’s why I’m hoping this was one of the rare moments when a presumably eloquent man simply misspoke. Doubt it. But a kid’s gotta dream …

      • lanahi

        He wasn’t too “eloquent” in this interview.

        I agree with those who think conservatives grabbed onto him too soon. Probably an act of desperation to find a leader. He needs to be vetted before we consider him some kind of conservative savior.

        We need to concentrate on the message, not the messenger. Thank them for the right message, tell them when they are wrong. Then encourage those with a track record to run for office…the ones who actually walk the walk. Carson knows about medicine, apparently not guns or the reason for that 2nd Amendment, and that’s an important failing for any kind of leader. He’s not our leader, he’s a voice sometimes for conservatism: Important in its own right, but not enough to be a leader.

        The acid test for our next president: Will he or she actually move strongly and boldly in restoring this nation to what it was meant to be…back to our Constitution and Bill of Rights? We don’t have many who can and WILL do that, certainly not Dr. Carson.

        • I really don’t think that he “doesn’t” know about the reason for the 2nd Amend. He’s much too intelligent to “not” know.

          And anyone who actually stands strong for the Constitution, like Bachmann or Palin, people on the left absolutely hate with a vengeance and most certainly see to it that they don’t last, and they will never be able to reach those out there that are truly ignorant of history and who have no interest in learning.

          • lanahi

            It hasn’t worked for Sarah Palin yet. She is still “lasting” and still getting her message out, and this is just the start.

            The left hates anything that is against their own agenda. So what? Let them be eaten up by their own hatred and anger instead of trying to please them, which means compromise their way.

            A person who is willfully ignorant and not willing to change will not be educated by anyone.

            What Dr. Carlson understands or not is beside the point if he thinks we can compromise on the 2nd amendment like we have everything else.

    • OneThinDime

      And they are God-given rights. For a man who brought such great biblical reflection to taxes, you’d think he would know this.

  • marketcomp

    This is why we must be careful to not jump too soon to support until we know positions on particular issues, like the 2ud Amendment. With training and safety we should be able to have a gun at anytime. Not sure if he really thought this through although he says he believes in the Constitution.

    • skspls

      Where does it mention training in the Constitution?

      • E. Lee Zimmerman

        Right next to that passage on the Separation of Church and State.

      • marketcomp

        It doesn’t. But, training gives respect and appreciation for the 2nd Amendment and the right to bare arms. I think the NRA would support that but it’s not necessary.

    • lanahi

      They ALL say they believe in the Constitution. Even Obama says he does.

      • marketcomp

        I would’t equate Dr. Carson with Obama! Dr. Carson is a true American and there’s no question about that!

        • lanahi

          Who was equating Dr. Carson with Obama?

          • marketcomp

            “They ALL say they believe in the Constitution. Even Obama says he does.” I think that’s an insult to Dr. Carson but it reads like a comparison. However, if I am wrong then I’m wrong. So I apologize.

            • lanahi

              You’re wrong…I don’t compare anyone to Obama. But we cannot pick and choose which parts of the constitution we accept or reject.

              They ALL say they believe in the constitution, but then they fudge on details. But everything is in the little details. Dr. Carson was ready to compromise over the details, which makes him useless as a possible leader.

              • I couldn’t agree with you more lanahi! It’s either you stand strong for the rights of the people and the Constitution, or you don’t. There’s no room for exceptions and picking apart things you have a different opinion about, it’s like the Bible, you take it as it is and do not add to or take away anything.

  • I don’t hold it against him. This is the metropolitan/rural divide. He looks like he is center-right on the political spectrum. Not exactly full blown conservative, per se. This guy is too nice for politics. I’d hate to see what liberals would do to him.

  • It shows the brightest aren’t brilliant across the board. He should stick to writing about neurosurgery. In all fairness, however, it was a rapid-fire segment of the show.

  • deTocqueville1

    So let me understand, he believes in the Second Amendment if you are a rural dweller. He obviously has no clue about the rights involved under the Constitution. Is the Constitution subject to local interpretation? Perhaps better than DC interpretation but not at all satisfactory.

    Before he even thinks about running for office he better do some reading of history and philosophy. Sarah Palin always says: Vet the candidate!

    • E. Lee Zimmerman

      Precisely. This reminded me of that Gowdy moment from yesterday, when he clearly caught representatives from the Odministration kinda/sorta splitting hairs on geographically where a citizen of the US had all Constitutional protections.

    • OneThinDime

      Thank you! Somewhere a bit back I put out a similar thought: Vet, vet, vet. Dr. Carson, on the last Hannity show, side-stepped who he voted for. From his comments, IMO, he voted for Obama in 2008, again IMO based on what he said, that it was the “Hope and Change”. There is no way he did the prayer breakfast w/o Obama knowing what he was going to say.

      • Actually not. He donated $1000 to the Romney campaign. He wouldn’t donate money to one campaign and then vote for another. Lets not behave like the Libs. Those of whom live in a fact free zone.

        • c4pfan

          The poster said 2008 election, not 2012.

          • OneThinDime

            Thanks for catching that!

        • trump donates to clintons so…..

        • OneThinDime

          I’m not sure where you are but our businesses donated to both Romney and Obama. And as c4pfan says below, it was my opinion he may have voted for Obama in 2008, not 2012. And I am not behaving like a liberal. I listened to what he said on Hannity, he would not say who he voted for. If he voted for McCain, why doesn’t he just say so?

        • cabensg

          I thought the way he described who he would vote for made it pretty plain it wasn’t Obama even though he didn’t name names.

      • bworei

        Vet, without question. Can’t disagree with you there. Carson has said, however, that the only thing he gave the White House beforehand was the Bible verses he recited at the beginning of his speech. That, he said, was because he never transcripts his speeches and, according to Carson, the White House shouldn’t have been surprised at the content of his speech if they had read the verses. In other words, as hard as it is to believe, I don’t think Obama knew what he was going to say. Not to mention the fact that, if he did, he’d have found a replacement for Carson in nothing flat.

        • OneThinDime

          Then we agree because I said: There is no way he did the prayer breakfast w/o Obama knowing what he was going to say.

          • bworei

            Huh?

  • chatterbox365

    The man is entitled to his opinion and even though I don’t agree with the Dr. on this one, I would not throw him under the bus. This is a far cry from what the democrats are trying to do.

    The thinking is misguided because people who want to do evil will find a way to carry out their rampages.

    • williamm

      The second amendment is the most important of all amendments so his statement is huge. The fact that he is being honest should scare everyone.

      • I agree williamm! It disappointed me to no end! I had high hopes!

  • c4pfan

    He better step it up, if he wants to beat the others for the nomination. 🙂

  • bjohnson55

    Sorry Dr. Ben the “but monkeys” do not belong in a sentence that contains the words “2nd amendment”. No hedging around the right to bear arms, period.

    • Conservative_Hippie

      Well said!

  • garyinaz66

    more reason for vetting, dont just go for the flavor of the month. none of us knew rubio, paul and flake would be with johnny “amnesty” mccain, bob mcdonnell would be mr tax icrease etc…..

    ask the tough questions and get pledges on how politicians would vote, govern.

    that being said Dr. Carson is a wonderful, thoughtful man and a good role model for us all in many ways and is entitled to his opinion. at least he answers questions honestly, heck hes not even a candidate for anything hes a man thrust into the spotlight for giving oblamer a little comeuppance.

    • OneThinDime

      He walked into that spotlight and his “foundation” has been raising alot of money from that speech.

  • 3d81

    Hmmm this will be a good exercise to see how fast people on this of the political spectrum eat each other when one says something they don’t agree with.

    • 57thunderbird

      I haven’t thrown him under the bus yet,but unless he changes his tune on this topic he has lost my support.His answer seems to say that he thinks guns are only for sport,and not for defense against tyrannical govt.The founders never intended for the people to be outgunned by the government.

  • 57thunderbird

    This is the reason I did not jump on the Ben Carson for Prez bandwagon.I decided to give it some time.A wait and see attitude.

    • OneThinDime

      And I was with you 🙂 I was burned when Gowdy started talking about citizenship out of compassion for illegals…..

      • 57thunderbird

        Yep.Often times when you give one of these possible candidates enough rope,they hang themselves.

  • TexasPGRRider

    If we could have a townhall setting featuring Dr. Carson, Col. West, Herman Cain, and Dr. Keyes, a summit if you will, about their shared views of what America affords those willing to make an effort….

    • c4pfan

      Take Keyes out.

      • TexasPGRRider

        How `bout ZO or JC Watts c4???

  • DCGere

    Well this is disappointing….

  • skspls

    I think it’s well worth giving the good Doctor a chance to elaborate on gun issues. It would be unfair to judge him on the one statement alone.

    • lanahi

      No, that one statement alone was enough. At the least, it tells us he is squishy about one of the most important amendments there is.

    • There is no elaborating on it. You would never make such a statement about it if you truly believed in the 2nd Amend. as it is written. There is no changing it to fit your opinion of it, it is as it is. A person has to know their views on 2nd Amend. and gun control issues regardless of some interview or not, it’s not a difficult question and if you are someone who adheres to what is right you will most undoubtedly state it very clearly and without hesitation.

  • I’m not counting him out yet. I like where he stuck his magnet on the “Liberty Tyranny” Board Beck’s got. He didn’t seem to know much about the “state’s rights” vs. Federal either. He has good common sense and I don’t think if he were Leader, he would try to make for big Government actions in our lives. He is a smart guy and we will just have to watch him in future interviews.

    I frankly would love to see people in our Government that don’t know the ins and outs of all of it. It may make it a better place to hear other’s ideas without making so many deals.

    We need smart amateurs in our Government, if that makes sense?

    • sharpley

      Lisa, you may catch some flack for this comment, but I like it.

      Picture this: NO attorneys allowed in congress (just smart amateurs). When legal advice is needed, the congressman simply hires a lawyer. There are plenty of them, and it would be cheaper for the gov’t to pay hourly fees, as needed, than to allow the smartest and shrewdest crooks to “work the system” for their own benefit.

      • OneThinDime

        Well I commend you on your discussion but it is really not fair to omit an entire profession for serving in Congress. Yes we have too many lawyers in Congress. I would like a mandatory requirement of military service for potus though.

    • cabensg

      I don’t think anyone should be elected to any office in the Federal government unless they take a course on the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the Federalist papers. I’m not saying they need to know this to run for office but to serve they must take and pass a course on what they’re about to take a sacred oath on when they assume office. I don’t think this is asking to much.

  • not defending carson’s comments but those of you waiting for the “perfect” person (to worship) have a long wait.

    • johnfromjersey

      Gee wizz Bill, I’d like to buy you a beer sometime. I’ve been yelling about that with Romney. Here we had an honest, decent man. A man of character, a man of accomplishment, a good family man who loves America, and he wasn’t good enough. I guess we have to talk Jesus into running.

      • c4pfan

        You are out of it, if you don’t think Romney wouldn’t be going for gun control. Wake up already. Didn’t Christie and Bob McDonnell teach you anything?

        • johnfromjersey

          Actually I don’t think Romney would. The reason is that I doubt he would go against the will of the people, like the current administration does. Romney wasn’t my first choice but there is no doubt in my military mind that he would’ve been a better President than Obungle by light years.

      • lanahi

        It’s not enough just to be a “good man”.

        And do we really know how honest or a “good man” Romney was? He did not act like a principled man during his campaign. He did not act like a “good man” in some of his business dealings.

        Dr. Carson says we need a big tent and Christie should be allowed to speak at CPAC. What is Christie’s conservative credentials? A big tent, these days, usually means compromise with the RINOs and left, but there is no room to compromise on deeper principles. That’s what the GOP is doing in congress now, and look what it is getting us.

        We are not asking for anyone “perfect”. We are asking them to boldly and totally stand on conservative principles, damn the torpedos. Did your “good man” Romney do that? Boehner seems like a “good man” too, if you just want a “good man” to lead. It’s just not enough.

        We need a complete restitution of our nation. It takes more than a “good man” to do it.

  • proverbs2611

    What do you expect? The guy gives a good speech telling the pres (to his face) why his policies are wrong. Suddenly he’s on every conservative news program and people want him to run for office in 2016. Guess it’s human nature to keep lifting people high up on the pedestal but sooner or later they’re going to fall.

    • Betsey_Ross

      Just don’t lift them up so fast. Dr. Carson is a doctor and so far we don’t know if he has any political aspirations. You also have to remember where he works. Downtown Baltimore. Just don’t need any gunfights down in that area. I get what he means, but if I were Dr. Carson I would have been packing heat most of his career. The only problem is that MD is very strict about having guns. We have a friend that has a business and has to carry large amounts of money to the bank. I can’t tell you how long and arduous that process was for him to be able to carry. It’s even worse now.

      • deTocqueville1

        Exactly. He is just not ready.

  • MissMyGuy

    if the constitution is not your foundational blueprint, you are likely to stray eventually. constitution first, then personal opinion

    • TexasPGRRider

      WELL STATED !!!!

  • Rshill7

    Those highly populated areas are where you need them the most Mr. Carlson. Think about it and get back to us.

  • Edward La Guardia

    I’m an independent who comes on here because in the age of Obama I have aligned myself with the right since I believe that Obama is a truly evil man who is economically destroying our nation. However, I get so tired sometimes of how the far right cannot seem to tolerate anyone who disagrees with them no matter the issue. It’s like unless they believe everything they’re “supposed” to believe some of you guys want nothing to do with them.

    Case in point: Dr. Carson is a wonderful human being with a strong faith and a good mind. He deserves respect and admiration for everything he has accomplished. I understand frustration that some may have with his views on guns BUT no one person or candidate for office is perfect and his good far outweigh his bad.

    • c4pfan

      Who is saying he isn’t a good man?

    • 57thunderbird

      Well I am a constitutional conservative.If that makes me far right then so be it.When one steps outside the confines of the Constitution then I have to take a step back and consider my options.I will wait to see what Mr.Carson really believes.I don’t think he is well informed on this issue.

    • tolerate?
      really?
      we vet people.
      if they don’t like it tough shit.

    • aposematic

      I don’t think anyone here is impugning Dr. Carson; just his view on Guns/2ed Amend.

    • johnfromjersey

      Edward.
      While I agree with you on principal, I don’t have patients for anyone who cannot understand the importance of the issue of Gun rights. Without the 2nd, all the others are easy to take away. THAT is why the founders made it short, sweet, and easy to understand.

      • clockwindingdown

        There you have it, if one cannot back the second amendment 100% as written then all else is mute. Once the second Amendment is altered, contracted, regulated, removed, denied, the door has been open to quash all other rights with out recourse or redress…

        If you doubt this look at what is happening in our country, ask yourself what if our last action of recourse is as our founders intended, the implementation of our 2nd Amendment right. What if the 2nd Amendment is not there, what then?

        Those with weapons will be in control, history shows this to be true. Former citizens become subjects, subjects become slaves…

        • OneThinDime

          Bloody spot on! We need only look at Canada, the UK, Australia and heed their warnings about confiscation. We need only look at Nazi Germany and how Hitler first started with registration, the confiscation, then Krystal Nacht, then the trains with the end result cold-blooded murder of innocent citizens.

    • OneThinDime

      Everyone needs to decide what “faults” in a candidate they are willing to accept. If you read through our threads, we come to this great forum to share our thoughts and have discussions, albeit through a keyboard rather than in person or on the telephone. No one has said he is not a good man, hasn’t worked hard to achieve what he has.

      I don’t speak for anyone else on this site, for me upholding our Constitution and our federal laws for the security of our country and the welfare of our military are non-negotiable.

  • tinlizzieowner

    “semi-auto weapon”.
    In other words, everything except single action revolvers, bolt action rifles and ‘muzzle loaders’, right?
    You want to do something about having your ‘semi-auto weapon falling into the hands of crazy people? Do something about crazy people.

    • OneThinDime

      Exactly spot on! And shouldn’t the doctor have said exactly that, that treatment for mental illness in this country needs to be readdressed?

      • tinlizzieowner

        We can start by getting rid of the insanity defense. Sure, some lawyers are going to have to go back to chasing ambulances but actions have consequences no matter how ‘crazy’ you are. The victims aren’t any less dead if the shooter is ‘insane’.

        • OneThinDime

          Agreed! The McNaughton defense is the toughest of the insanity defenses and most time the defendant loses. But many states don’t utilize the McNaughton defense criteria. Andrea Yates comes to mind for me, should have fried, along with her husband for getting her pregnant again, for drowning those beautiful children.

          • tinlizzieowner

            There should be some provision for the mentally disturbed. Hell, I’m ‘mentally disturbed’. Some call it ‘PTSD’ but I’ve always had a problem with that term. Almost everybody who came back from WW2, Korea, my war (Viet Nam), or any other war is ‘disturbed’. War is disturbing, DUH! I have a hair trigger temper, I know it and it’s my responsibility to adjust for that, not society’s responsibility to adjust for me. The term ‘innocent by reason of insanity’ is what has to go. It should be ‘guilty by reason of insanity’ instead.

            • OneThinDime

              You make great points. Technically it’s not guilty by reason of insanity. I’ve always felt like you, they are guilty and the “insanity” might be part and parcel.

  • MadAsHellJack

    Well Doctor Ben, I think ya dun shit in your mess kit!

  • iaintlyin

    hey, if he doesn’t know thats fine with me. How often do you hear someone say I don’t know. To me it shows a person with an open mind on the issue. Besides, if he were to have a logical position on the matter, even if I didn’t share it, that would not veer me away from till likimg this guy. Theres only one person in this world that shares the same view as myself on every single thing, me.

    • lanahi

      Even I understand the importance of the 2nd amendment and the reason for it. Is it so hard for a neurosurgeon to understand it?
      If he DOESN’T understand, it says something about him, doesn’t it?

  • daimon1

    I can understand the Good Doctors opinion but the Good Doctor needs to become a little more familiar with the pharse; This shall not be infringed – for a very good reason.

    The last thing this government needs to do right now is create more Gun Free killing zones for lunatics.

    With the recent news that Adamn Lanza, the Newtown school shooter, was aiming to top the death toll of Norway’s Anders Breivik (who gunned down 69 helpless teenagers in Norway in 2011), it’s now clear that gun free zones are potential mass killing fields.

    http://thepoliticalwarzone.blogspot.com/2013/02/why-gun-free-zones-are-mass-killing.html

  • This is why you don’t rush to claim someone should run for president without knowing more about them.

    • cabensg

      I agree. I still appreciate what Dr. Carson did at the prayer breakfast but it’s one speech, hardly enough for calls to run for president.

  • aposematic

    Dr. Carson, the Constitution is the Constitution and would never have been adopted without those Bill of Rights being added. What part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?

  • Bears in in the woods, animals live in the city.
    Respectfully clearly a man of peace

  • Watchman74

    I’m wondering if Dr. Carson knows what a semi-automatic weapon is. In any case let’s face it, the only person we will agree with 100% is ourselves.

  • jgilman1

    At least he thinks it should be left to local governments, not state and not federal. It is much easier to beat down a local gov.

    • RocklinConservative

      Local governments don’t trump constitutional rights.

    • c4pfan

      Are you kidding? No, they aren’t.

      • jgilman1

        I’ve seen 3 stories in the past week or so where local residents stopped oppressive gun restrictions. When was the last time you changed the mind of your state govt? When was the last time the Feds listened to the people? It’s much easier to have a conversation with your councilmen especially when you live next door and buy groceries at the same store etc. When was the last time you saw your state or fed representative outside of a cattle car townhall meeting? (which they don’t have anymore because of the heat from ocaid)

    • lanahi

      Drudge has a report that Colorado may even ban shotguns. So much for local governments understanding the 2nd amendment!

      The Supreme Court ruled that local government cannot infringe on the Bill of Rights in the matter of DC banning guns. The Bill of Rights is supreme.

      • jgilman1

        The state gov. isn’t what I or Dr. Carson were talking about. Read my post again.

        • lanahi

          Local governments must also abide by the constitution. This was spelled out by SCOTUS when they overruled the ban of guns in Washington DC.

    • lanahi

      Yes, it is easier the closest to the people that government is. However, ALL governments are ruled by the Constitution at any level.

  • He is just the shiney new thing that the Republicans will latch onto to avoid reality.
    I just hope they don’t get burned again.

  • Learning how to use tools takes effort. Clearly, being good at some tools (like surgeon’s tools) doesn’t confer abilities or knowledge about others (the care, use, and safekeeping of guns).

    I’d urge Dr. Carson to read “The Constitutional Right And Social Obligation To Carry A Gun”

    Specifically, Robert Boatman pointed out in several instances that “carry” is not something you do once in a while, like when you go into strange territory. “Carry” is a way of life. If you take your social obligation to carry seriously, then the only way your gun will fall into someone else’s hands is if they pry it from your cold, dead hands. (And if you train with your gun, that is likely going to be a very costly experience for someone.)

    I’m fortunate to live in the country, where we don’t really have a pressing need to carry concealed, so we mostly keep our guns at home, for home use. We’re also an Open Carry state. But if I lived in the city, I would have concealed carry permits for all family members old enough to get one, and we would all train regularly, and carry regularly.

    More importantly to Dr. Carson’s “belief,” is the fact that a LOT of women of color carry a gun in their purse, and most of them aren’t registered. He needs to get in tune with his old neighborhood, I’d think.

  • sDee

    Worse was the way he set up the argument:

    with this argument going on, the way we solve it is we ask, what is each side afraid of, and then we address it that way

    It is not an “argument”. It is a deception by those power, promoted and covered up by state propaganda press, to strip away our unalienable rights.

    • Also the word “afraid” is a bad way to begin an analysis.

      Like the old joke about a guy who was pulled over for speeding, and the cop discovered he had several open carry guns, including in holsters, and the cop says, “Man, what are you afraid of, anyway?” The answer he gave, which is correct: “Not a damn thing.”

      • cabensg

        Decades of liberal brainwashing can even effect brilliant neurosurgeon on some issues. I’ll worry if he runs for office until then I’ll assume he doesn’t understand the second amendment so was just voicing his opinion which is in opposition to the second amendment.

  • “gun free zones” are “murder zones” – that’s where criminals come to shoot their victims, because no honest person will be there with a gun.
    “nice” job, you brainless leftist idiots.

  • Conservative_Hippie

    The vetting process is alive and well!

  • edsmanedup

    The only way my semi-autos are falling into a crazy persons hands is over my dead body…and my last words will be “AMMO”!!!…be very afraid…

  • RocklinConservative

    Ruh-roh!~

  • chuck jenski

    got me thinking.

  • ernst1776

    On the the next flavor of the month. GOP and followers are so deperate for leadership the hang on to anybody who sounds conservative.

  • OneThinDime

    Wonder what his thoughts are on the 11-20 million illegal aliens. Is he “compassionate” and wants open borders and amnesty?

    • c4pfan

      Probably! LOL

  • anth Japonez

    no seasoning required. Just don’t trust him.

  • Well shi**…

  • Amjean

    One thing about politicians….they are mostly always too good to be true!

  • StandProudNow

    Truth is, we don’t know enough about Dr. Carson. The speech at the prayer breakfast was awesome. He seems to be making sense… and I like what I’ve seen ‘xsept this and another detail about de-regulation… and who knows what else? (and we DON’t know what else, if anything…I REALLY like what he has said, more or less)

    But…

    We.
    Don’t
    Know.

    It’s PATHETIC that we are so totally STARVED for a leader that as soon as someone makes a bit, or more than a bit, of sense, it is “So-and-So for President!! Just a GLIMMER of something we like and the president thingie is there…

    We need to VET and VET again and again and again!!!! Maybe Dr. Carson will be standing even taller after being thoroughly vetted?? (I’d hope so!!!)

    Now, Gov. Palin is vetted a hundred (thousand!) times over, and not only that, she has a RECORD of walking her talk. A RECORD!!!! A Historical, factual record. WHO else is not only clean as a whistle, (25000 pages of emails came up dry!!) but can back up their “Schpiel” with a past history showing that what their mouth is spewing is not just some game to get re elected but how they Really believe and would govern.

    SARAH 2016!!

    • c4pfan

      I agree. But, then I don’t get the 2016 talk. Anything can happen in 2 years.

      • At the rate we are going, there won’t be a 2016. The economy and the Dollar will collapse long before then.

  • I think I should repeat my comment about Dr. Carson from a few weeks ago here:

    I know there’s such thing as “currency,” but I wish folks on the right would temper their tendency to swoon over every new guy that speaks the truth. I loved his speech, but I’m a little put off by his distancing himself from a “side” in this political era. Reminds me a bit of Rubio, frankly.

    Kudos to the man for speaking truth to Obama. We need more like him. But honestly, people are already calling on him to run for President, and like we saw with General Powell back in 2000, and more recently, General Petraeus, they really have no clue where the man’s allegiance lies. I’m sure he’d say something like “it lies with the truth,” but the truth isn’t putting up candidates for office.

    Let’s watch the man for a while and see what he does. If he starts talking about Restoration of the Constitution, then let’s sit up and pay attention. But so far, he’s simply mentioned a few well-known concepts already articulated by people like Allen West, Sarah Palin, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Mark Levin, and many others. What, we throw them all under the bus now?

    Give ’em hell, Doctor Carson! But let’s stay vigilant, everyone.

    • Conservatives had an instacrush on Colin Powell not too many years ago, how did that work out ?

      Ditto Chris Christie.

    • OneThinDime

      You were spot on K-Bob! And that great advice should be followed for any potential candidate, not just for potus, but for House and Senate (state and local too)

      I don’t have the energy to research my post from a bit back where I posed the questions about where he might stand on 2nd amendment, illegals and why he won’t disclose who he voted for and suggested vet, vet, vet.

  • Jeff Carlson

    another intelligent man who doesn’t understand the limits of his own intelligence and desires to “help” others who aren’t asking for his help …

  • Les_in_NC

    Amendement X “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”. Amendament II “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”. I liked his speech at the prayer breakfast but somehow had that feeling not to rush to elect him. (remember that Kroening (sp?)(kid at CPAC?). Feeling confirmed.

  • Local governments can decide? So in one city you have more rights to certain products (That are Inalienable Right) than in another city. Really we are not talking big gulps here. That’s worse than having states decide this issue. Why should citizens from city to city, state to state have varying degrees of freedom in the first place this right is not negotiable anymore. I think we’ve had enough, It time to get the mentally ill out of our homes and off the street, plus go nation wide with 3 strikes you’re out. Some say it’s costly to incarcerate these people but it’s it’s cheaper and saves lives.

    • c4pfan

      Seems like he just plain doesn’t want to deal with it!

  • Guess it’s time to move to the country, after every one else does I guess I’ll move back to the city.

    • c4pfan

      LOL The more I think of the answer, the dumber it sounds.

  • cabensg

    It has nothing to do with where you live. The only people who shouldn’t have a gun is a criminal or the insane….period. Stop being confused by 24/7 liberal media brainwashing. The second amendment is the second amendment and should be honored.

  • This is why I told everyone who got an instacrush to wait and see. That we should have learned our lesson with Colin Powell.

    • cabensg

      Don’t forget Condolezza Rice. She’s no Powell but far far from conservative on most issues.

  • 911Infidel

    Alas poor Dr Carson…we knew him well…Shakespeare I believe… A misquote of Hamlet. Who cares. Bye, bye Dr Carson. You couldn’t have been great…you could have been a contender…Now you’re just another palooka.

  • lambfound

    What a shame – the Democrats are smiling ear to ear. We still have Ted Cruz…….

  • Grumpa37

    The crazies among us are almost all in urban areas. Those are the places I won’t go without one or more weapons and an adequate supply of ammunition. I’m sorry Doctor Carson has taken a foolish position.

    • 57thunderbird

      “When we pile upon one another in big cities as they do in Europe,we will become as corrupt as Europe………………Thomas Jefferson.

      • Grumpa37

        A great quote. And a behavioral researcher named Tryon demonstrated Jefferson’s truth by putting rats in cages, giving them all the “material benefits” they could use, and let them multiply until every corruption we see in our cities leveled off the rat population through “homicide” and societal suicide. Thank you much for your response.

  • SineWaveII

    It sounds like he doesn’t understand what “semi-automatic” means.

  • FreeManWalking

    i’m getting slow, it took me about 1.375 sec to turn bec off.

    Scoops commentary is sufficient, I really liked Ben’s common sense, so what happened in the last two weeks, did he take a nasty fall?

    If Ben can find a way to glue everyone’s feet to the ground so they can’t move from the sticks to the cities and versa visa he may be on to something.

  • DilloTank

    Hopefully, someone can talk some sense into Mr. Carson. Very few people are ready to be President.

  • c4pfan

    Dr Carson needs to see this vid about this http://equalgunrights.com/press

  • valerie rhodes

    We can rely on each other to always rush to judgement and not allow anyone to have a contrarian thought…Yup, we Republicans are open minded .

  • JoJo58

    Lol too funny. People were wee weeing themselves thinking he should run for president. How about waiting for more than a made for tv movie and hearing bits of a speech before thinking he’s qualified for the job? Compared to the dictator we currently have, I’m sure he is, but I think conservatives need to be a bit more selective. Look at what we ended up with. A crap candidate running against a crappier president.

  • Jay

    That’s his opinion. He’s obviously not a participant in the shooting sports or a constitutional scholar. Unlike the left, we don’t get talking points on every issue and walk in lock step to music played by the Centralized Government Band.

    • OneThinDime

      You don’t have to be a constitutional scholar to know about the 1st and 2nd Amendments. The 17th maybe.

  • spin43

    I knew when so many conservatives were idolizing this guy you were falling into a trap. He was just softening you up and trying to sell books because liberals are too cheap to spend their own money. The apples doesn’t fall far from the Obama tree. I hate to sound racist but 95% of blacks now lean toward Marxism. The question is why? Please submit your answers. I have my own theory.

    • misterlogic0013

      Ethnicity, for the most part rules .. independent thinking takes secound .. Mr. Carson most likely a good man although no ones perfect. Most highly intelligent people have little common sense, if he thought about it for a minute or two he would have realized guns travel well .. people the issue ..

      • OneThinDime

        What’s interesting is that he went to the gun instead of treatment for the mentally ill. In his justification he said people should not own a gun if it could get into the hands of a mentally ill person. Treat the mentally ill person, don’t prohibit law-abiding citizens of the 2nd Amendment rights.

        • lanahi

          “…people should not own a gun if it could get into the hands of a mentally ill person.”

          Well, that means no guns.

          “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.”- Thomas Jefferson

          Yes, freedom is more dangerous than slavery…you have to put up with all sorts of crap if you want freedom, including less security for the nation. You can’t have both.

        • misterlogic0013

          right

    • sDee

      Your observation is not far off but if we simply try to correlate what we observe to a conclusion, freemen fall into the tyrants’ trap.. being labeled bigots, racists, uncle tom etc.

      Relinquishing our natural rights makes us natural slaves. What varies is but the degree.

      What you observe in America’s entitlement class, is seen around the world across all races, genders and ethnicity. We here in pop-America however do not see this and observe the world with “blinders of the moment”.

      In the 60’s the first, most visible and highly charged entitlement class that America’s statists created, were blacks. America is easily convinced by the media that a particular group are victims and we relinquish power and liberty to our politicians to “protect” that group. Once created, the statists must maintain the victimization mentality and the corresponding dependency on government or lose their power. They cultivate “natural slaves” because anyone with the soul of a freeman would reject such mental control.

      Rinse and repeat with “hispanics, women, homosexuals, and isalmists. This is why the statists designed the 1965 Immigration Act to bring in more natural slaves of all races, genders and national origins.

      When Plato and Aristotle observed and explained what they termed “natural slaves”, slaves were taken where conquered, not by race. They have of course been smeared by modern “historians” as justifying slavery, but that was not their point. It is uncomfortable to admit but, some men can find comfortable balance in the protection of the elites, in return for their labor.

      The current model of European socialism is a good example of modern “natural slavery” and how a comfortable cradle-to-grave life can be balanced by relinquishing “natural rights”.

      America was built by those whose left the cultures of tyrants – our very genes reject the economic slavery of tyrants.

      Give me Liberty. Or Give me Death

      Some of us know in our hearts that we will die fighting for liberty rather than finding comfort in its compromise. Others’ minds draw them to socialism like moths to a flame.

  • putthehammerdown

    MeThinks Doctor Ben has committed A Big Boo-Boo here. He is effectively endorsing messing with The Second and it’s not going to do him one eensy-weensy favor.

    SCOTUS has already established that Local Govs. really cannot do what he espouses, and being the intelligent fellow he seems to be , why isn’t he calling for an Additional Amendment to give him the results he seems to seek?

    Ben, it was a nice few weeks, but ‘we see you’ just fine and dandy,… thanks very much.

  • There are alot of people that liked Obamacare at first, till they saw what it really is. What it was originally touted for many people thought heck yes let’s stick it to insurance companies and get everyone paying their fair share too. Unfortuneantly as I told them they were not hearing the truth. Now many of them think Obama is a power grabber that wants to control every American.

  • RKflorida

    My, my that episode of hero worship didn’t last long. Who will be the next “savior” of our nation? Rubio? Oops, too late for him. Judge Janine? Alan West? Seems like they are all flawed.

    • OneThinDime

      You have to decide what is important to you and which of your rights you are willing to sacrifice. If you are okay with illegals rewarded for illegally entering and remaining in our country, okay with a candidate lying to get elected in 2010 about this very issue, Rubio might be your man. He isn’t mine. If he lies about this, what else is he lying about.

  • Grandma Go

    Thinking out loud is NOT a crime. The good doctor is a thoughtful person and is entitled to his opinion on this issue.

    • c4pfan

      Who said it was a crime?

  • Steven

    This is why we are the stupid party. We tear each other down, just because a person is not 100% on our side. It’s a throwaway issue for this man. Obviously, he is not familiar with guns and his experience with guns has been in the urban setting where guns have been use predominantly in a violent way. In the rural areas, people’s experience guns differently and so can see the usefulness of guns easier than someone from an urban setting. For goodness sake, he has lived in an urban setting his entire life being a surgeon at the top hospital in the nation! Cut the man some slack and understand that he is light years better than what we have in the White House today.

    I seriously doubt Dr. Carson sets this as his number one issue and highly seriously doubt he would seek legislation to control guns. That’s what the Left does. One thing you will be sure of with Carson is that he will nominate the most conservative Supreme court justices and he will focus like a laser on the issues he spoke about at the pray breakfast. That’s where his passion is and that’s what the nation needs right now is commonsense fiscal policies and better solutions to raise our level of education. All the rest are peripheral issues that the Left distracts (yes that includes Glenn Beck) to tear us apart and keep the growth of government and the erosion of our freedoms going.

    We need to get wiser about what the most important issues really are and who is on our side that can really solve these issues, or we won’t stand a chance! Stop dividing yourselves conservatives and rally around a candidate so that we can turn this nation around! Dr. Carson would be an excellent choice (if he chooses to run) along with Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, or Rick Perry. Just choose one! None are pure, but they are awfully better than Obama or Christie! And speaking of Christie, I will support him over Hillary all day. We swallowed our pride and voted Romney in the end, it will be no different if Christie emerges. Given how puritanical conservative voters on this thread are, it is very likely you all will be divided and Christie will get the nomination.

    • c4pfan

      Where are you getting that this thread was put up to bash Dr Carson?

    • Oh simple vetting of someone who is being blindly worshiped is now bashing? I’m sorry but I’m not a sheep. I’m not like a democrat just going on with the herd. You need help. Notice how he leaves Palin out of his list of those who meet his approval. See, people like you don’t get it. The reason we got Obama is because of a spend thrift Republican grew our national debt and created a climate in this country for a nobody like Obama to rise. I no longer want the conservative movement getting blame for spendthrift big government RINO republicans. No I would not vote for Christie because of fear of Hillary. I’m not buying that nonsense anymore.

      • Steven

        Who is blindly worshiping Dr. Carson or anyone for that matter? Funny coming from someone who has to mention Sarah Palin at every turn (she’s done). I do get it, but I am not foolish to think that if we are going to get all bent out of shape about a snippet from Dr. Carson, after he has written books, he has given so many speeches, and interviews over the years, that we are not marginalizing ourselves. It’s maddening to me that conservatives continue to find reasons not to coalesce behind someone while moderates and liberal republicans always do and win! That’s my point! Our attitude has to change otherwise we will wind up with Christie in 2016. The moderates know their candidate already. We conservatives better get our candidate too, ahead of time or else we will have to swallow again and vote for someone we really don’t want. With that said, I would still vote for Christie over Hillary all day. We can’t afford another 4 years of socialism in this country.

    • lanahi

      The 2nd amendment is not a “throw-away” issue. I’m sorry Dr. Carson can’t consider this important enough to bother with. He has “lived in an urban setting” all his life but should be smart enough to figure things out anyway.

      The nation needs first of all loyalthy to the Constitution. A candidate who is squishy about that is not the right one. Nearly ALL of our economic and educational problems would be more easily resolved if government got out of the way and allowed free men to handle it in a common sense manner. The federal government is not staying within the bounds spelled out by our Constitution…therein is the problem.

      The economy is not our main problem. Neither is education. The departure from constitutionally limited powers IS the main problem.

      • Steven

        Sorry, but I meant throwaway in the sense that it’s not at the top of his agenda. When you think about Dr. Carson, do you think 2nd amendment? So, why crucify the guy if he doesn’t recite the exact beliefs you may have on the 2nd amendment? It doesn’t make Dr. Carson suddenly a RINO because he expressed his opinion where he is very likely out of his depth. I cut him slack here, because I know base on his writings, his speeches and interviews he is a very conservative man and I would surely bet that he is not going to be a danger to any constitutional right much less the second amendment! On the contrary, he is the exact type of person we need in Washington to restore the freedoms and liberties we have lost, especially in health care, education and regulations. His thoughts on these areas are indeed what is most pressing right now and focusing on a snippet of an entire interview is to me ridiculous.

        • lanahi

          You are either for the God-given rights in the constitution and Bill of Rights or you are not. Once you start “modifying” it, you’ve given the whole idea a death sentence. That is not just a “belief”, it is what happens with government.

          No, we do not need anyone in Washington who does not uphold these rights as spelled out in writing, no “compromise” on that, and no cutting some slack for him if he is “out of his depth” there. It isn’t hard to understand…what “depth” do you need to understand it?

          IMO, if it is NOT at the top of his agenda, it should be. I would not vote for him based on that snippet from an interview.

  • Well, if more states do the crazy things that New York has just done with their new illegal gun laws, then this will all be irrelevant soon. People are going to have to take a stand and say if they are for the Second Amendment or not. You can’t modify it or take only “some” of it away, just like you can’t modify or take some of the First Amendment away. These are OUR rights as handed down from our Founding Fathers and the same rights that Americans for generations have defended with their lives. NOBODY has a right to just give them away. Nobody.

  • Steven

    Scoop, I am disappointed that you cherry picked the interview. Why not post the whole interview than simply look for something to impale the man? Post the whole interview and then let the people truly decide if Dr. Carson is truly unacceptable. I will say this, there is video on Carson’s first pray breakfast talk with Bill Clinton present at the time and it was excellent. This man has very strong, core, conservative beliefs and articulates them better than anyone I have heard who is running for president in 2016. This man would be a Godsend for our nation and the conservative movement but all you can do is try to tear the man down once he says something that is not 100% to your liking. It makes me not question him, but you RightScoop and your true agenda. Are you trying to promote effective conservatism or are you pushing the party to the extreme, which would make us unelectable?

    • c4pfan

      How is Scoop making anything more ‘far right’, when he’s talking about our RIGHTS? In no way does he bash the man.

      • Steven is a typical RINO who trolls around various threads touting his faves for 2016, even though 2016 is a far, far ways off to be even be thinking about right now. Of course, such folks accuse others of bashing and trying to cause division because we’re simply vetting whatever flavor of the month they choose. Yet, guys like Steven have no problem bashing good conservatives and known commodities like Sarah Palin who have done A LOT MORE for the grassroots conservative movement and for the republican party. Don’t believe me? When you see such folk in these threads it’s always good to check their disqus comment history. This was from Steven is a disgrace. My comments to his diatribe on another website are in ():

        “Let’s face it, Sarah Palin is done. Her time came and went. She blew it when she resigned as governor and didn’t follow up by running for the GOP nomination. (that is something only fake conservative and liberals say about her. its cheap and many of us know the real reason she resigned)
        She squandered whatever political capital she had by going after being a celebrity and making her millions. (again typical leftist or GOP establishment comment against her) The choice was hers through and through, but now she has painted herself in a corner and frankly she will never rise to the level John McCain put her in 2008. It’s time for the bitter clinging Palinistas to let go. I am sad to say it, but it has to be said because it was always there in front of us.

        To be honest I let go as a Palinista when she decided not to run in 2012, though I should have let go when she resigned the governorship. I knew that that move was ridiculous, but for whatever reason I just wanted to believe she had something up her sleeve and that she would outsmart the Left and the elites yet! Boy, that was foolish! Fundamentals are what they are. You can’t defy gravity for long and in politics, Palin couldn’t continue to do the things she and her family were doing the past few years and still come out smelling like roses! (disgruntled fan boy of Palin, now applies his fan boy mentality to other flavors of the month. Palinistas are not fan boys. we’re supporters and we believe in Sarah Palin her record, her convictions and her ability to galvanize the grassroots for the conservative cause)

        When FOX doesn’t want to have anything to do with you, then you know that your prominent spot on the conservative pecking order has diminished. (Again, such a comment you’d see at the Daily Kos. It’s a known fact that FOX never disputed Palin’s claim that she turned down a contract) I wish Palin good luck in her private life (yeah Ok.) and if she has political aspiration again, she will have to regain the trust of Alaskans again, (Why? BTW, in many Senate race polls in Alaska, Palin is either in a dead heat or just a little above other candidates and she’s not even in the race. So I guess gaining the trust of the Alaskan is already happening. But I’m sure the trust she has to gain–according to you– is with those dirtbag ethics whores who forced her out of office?) but I doubt they’ll give her another chance. Sad day, especially because she is one of the few genuine articles in politics. But the country will get on and there are others who can lead and I am sure she’ll be there to support them in the future. I just hope now people will stop wasting their lives in hope that Palin will somehow become president of the United States. Ha! She’ll be lucky to ever be Mayor of Wasilla again!”
        (The last sentence is really all you need to know about this putz loser. Steve, you have crossed over to the dark side. Seek help)

        • c4pfan

          Oh, I see.

      • Steven

        The implication in the title is that now Dr. Carson is someone to be looked askance about his conservatism. Dr. Carson is very conservative and zeroing on one thing he said, when he did say he supports the 2nd Amendment. His view on guns in the urban setting actually sheds some light as to why some people favor gun control vs those who don’t. So, it isn’t bashing, but it is jumping the gun and I think that it’s ridiculous especially since Dr. Carson has articulated so well concerning conservative issues. Release the whole interview and then we will have a context. A snippet defining Carson, I think is unfair.

  • I did a podcast about this man a few weeks ago telling people who were worshiping him as the next savior and who think he should run for president that they should proceed with caution. I got a lot of flack for it, however, I don’t care. I believe that this is only the tip of the iceberg. I believe that if you continue to peel off the skin of the onion you will find that–while he’s an accomplished surgeon and most likely a good man– it’s highly likely you will find a progressive at the center.
    For those who are still going ga ga over this guy, please tell me why he couldn’t tell Hannity who he voted for in 2008 & 2012? Why was that so hard for him to reveal? And he didn’t and I think that he voted for Obama. And that revelation would be troubling.
    If you haven’t already please watch this video of an interview he did Patrick Henry College and especially pay attention to his comments at around the 27 min mark in the Q&A. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orY6M0Ex0BM&feature=youtu.be&t=26m26s

    He makes a quick comment that you could almost miss if you’re not paying attention. He thinks America should have another Constitutional Convention. I’m sorry, but that should worry anybody thinking this guy should run for president. A constitutional convention in this day and age would be a disaster. Some of his comments on Obama care are troubling as well. Most troubling is where he says he advised the White House not to push Obamacare all the way through at once. But rather, implement it little by little. I also want to share with you a comment from a listener of my show who is also skeptical of the Carson craze:

    Where was Dr. Carson all the time when we were fighting the Affordable Care Act? In his interview with Hannity’s Forum he said he would “rewrite” the Obamacare bill. Why? What would he change about it? Would there still be a mandate? No one asks. Are Republicans low info voters as well? How did Fox news put this forum together so quickly? Even The Blaze was right there, immediately after the Prayer Breakfast speech, with big kudos for Dr. Carson. And Frank Luntz ready to roll out a Fox Forum within days, that smells of Karl Rove to me; or take it further, David Axelrod, both? Are they ramping up to weaken up and coming viable Tea Party candidates? Who knows, but we better wise up fast. So I did some research:
    in 2004 Dr. Carson was appointed by Pres GW Bush to serve on the President’s Council of Bioethics; in 2006, the NAACP “bestowed upon him its highest honor, the Spingarn Medal” and Pres. Bush honored him with the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2008 (photo on Breitbart for link to video above). Side note: In 2005, Pres Bush appointed Michael Leavitt to be HHS Secretary and we know that Leavitt is a govt health care guy (Exchanges), just under the moderate Republican banner. (http://www.hopkinschildrens.or/… I found this in-depth interview, days ago, of Dr. Carson by Marvin Olasky at Patrick Henry College and took notes:

    The following are quotes from the interview and some of my conclusions based on Dr. Carson’s comments:
    1) “I would be the first one to admit we need health care reform”
    2) Regarding fraud by medical practitioners “There would be some real teeth in the punishment…” (my problem w/this is we’re depending on govt to be follow through on enforcing the law – formula for failure.)
    3) “The amount of money we spend [on healthcare] is far more than adequate to make sure that everybody has good healthcare in this country.”
    4)Talking about phone calls from/with White House, talking to David Axelrod and Sr. Obama Administration officials about Obamacare: “some of the good things about it like lifetime limits and pre-existing diseases, I said these are things that I think everybody could agree about, that perhaps could be placed on the table for a vote, but don’t just jam this gigantic thing through because it will alienate people..”
    5) When Olasky asked Dr. Carson if he were “king of the forest”… what would be the basics of Dr. Carson’s health care system, what are the basics…?
    Dr. Carson’s Answer:
    1) Electronic records and billing;
    2) Would make govt responsible for catastrophic health care and insurance companies only responsible for routine health care bc they hide behind the catastrophic thing to keep jacking up their rates…you could regulate them [insurance companies] just like you do utilities;
    3) And, in terms of people who have no health care, I would basically set up a system similar to food stamps, where you give them electronic health accounts and it’s replenished every month just like food stamps are, but now they would be incentive-ized not to blow it by going to the emergency room…”When asked about government having electronic health care records Dr. Carson says this regarding the intentions of the founding fathers for our government “No, I don’t think making everybody’s medical records available to the govt is good. The govt is big enough and intrusive enough as it is…It is absolutely critical, if the U.S. is to maintain itself as a free and prosperous nation, that the people be well-informed and that the people be active in government…” He goes on, so it’s worth the time for Constitutional Conservatives and Libertarians to listen to the whole thing here and “You decide”:

    Carson’s been a guest speaker at Liberty University where I see a lot of promoting of moderate Republican candidates by Mark DeMoss’ PR firm (DeMoss has been a consultant to Romney since the 2008 campaign), to make them appear palatable to evangelical voters of which I’m one, but sadly, many evangelicals and Catholics are the low-info Republican voters influenced by these Big Religion cronies like Ralph Reed and Mark DeMoss.It’s ironic to see that Dr. Carson wisely recommends that people get informed and at the same time, he’s become a media sensation over a short speech. Some have read his books and know a lot about him, many of whom are libs, Donna Brazille, a few days ago, tweeted his quote and a link, but there are far too many who jump on board without doing some research into his background and positions first. They need to take his advice in that regard.It’s safe to conclude, after viewing enough of Dr. Carson’s speeches/interviews, that what he had to say was nothing new to Obama. Unfortunately, this makes the many tweets of joy by Conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians over one speech, look desperately foolish.

    • c4pfan

      I agree with some things, but some I don’t. I don’t see any problem with what he said about putting things up for a vote and not jamming it through. If that was done, it wouldn’t have passed!

      BUT, I do agree that the man needs to say who he voted for and give a reason why. If he can’t even answer that simple question, forget about it.

      As for the forum that Hannity set up, I am very sure that they have a set of people they ask who would be interested in going in general whenever needed and Frank Luntz too.

      Lastly, I do think he is a conservative that we should be happy is out there confronting Obama when the GOP won’t. Doesn’t mean I want him as President.

      • The bill wouldve went through whatever which way. The dems had the super-majority for the first two years of Obama’s first term. I’m not sure I can take someone seriously who says that there are things in Obamacare that he likes and that we should keep. Mitt Romney said the same things. Look how that worked out for us.

        • c4pfan

          I don’t think it would have. I think the American people really let their voice be heard.

    • OneThinDime

      Great information! I had some of the same thoughts and have posted here my concern about him not disclosing on Hannity who he voted for. I too think it was Obama, because he is black and because of the Hope and Change.

      • Also, I want to be clear: I’m not hear to bash the man. I happen to think he’s just going along with the 2016 fanfare to get money for he and his wife’s education fund. Which I do not fault him for doing so. I would have to imagine that the website got swamped with donations in weeks since the prayer breakfast speech. I also thought it was a disgrace that hypocritical Dems to accuse him of using God to promote an agenda that’s anti Obama. Yeah like the Dems never used God or religion when they want to push an agenda they have. granted the jury is still out if he’s totally anti Obama. I happen to think that if he does run it will not be as a Republican or a Conservative. Most likely as an independent and don’t be shocked if he’s not already linked up with the fraud “No Labels Cuz We’re Really Liberal” organization.

        • OneThinDime

          Thank you for sharing your additional insight! He has been raking in donations since that speech and the Hannity and other appearances. Education is a good thing as long as it isn’t progressive indoctrination.

  • xthred

    Lol

  • harglide

    CRAP! He sounds like he doesn’t have a clue! OH well, I DID like him. He is a respectable man…..
    ………….NEXT!

  • Joengima

    Ben Carson is clearly a Dual-Federalist. He believes Local Government should handle issues. What is so awful about that?

    I think it’s funny we keep on rejecting people from ourside and then we wonder why they betray us.

    • OneThinDime

      Constitution is not a local gov’t issue, the Bill of Rights are God-given rights and for a man that speaks from the Bible to not comprehend that is a travesty.

    • lanahi

      Yes, the local government should handle issues, as they were meant to do under the 10th amendment. But even THEY cannot infringe on our other rights clearly spelled out in the Bill of Rights.

      The Supreme Court ruled that DC cannot ban guns because of the 2nd Amendment. Even local government MUST obey the constitution of the land.

      Why is that so hard to understand?

      • c4pfan

        I don’t get it either.

  • DebbyX

    That’s definitely a big UH-OH!! The argument doesn’t even make sense. Another case of the government deciding whether or not someone has the right to protect themselves. Where I live should not make any difference. What if I live in the country and move to the city, do I turn in my semi-automatic as I cross the line?

    There goes another one.

    • OneThinDime

      He still could be valuable speaking to youth about responsibility, accountability, education, tax reform, etc. Should not hold public office but can do a great job with high school and college students on the above.

      • DebbyX

        I liked just about everything he said at the prayer breakfast about the issues you list. I am just disappointed on his gun stance. But it didn’t seem like he was convincing himself with his opinion. You could almost see him wince just a little as he said it.

        • OneThinDime

          Good point! My original thought when he was first doing Hannity, was whether or not he had seen the innocent children physically injured by drive-by shootings and how that might influence his thoughts on the 2nd Amendment. But I’m disappointed that he did not come out with a strong response on improving identification of and treatment for mental illness.

  • nimei576

    tinyurl.com/cnaff79

  • WTF??? I can see recommending safe gun storage, and the like, but this position is nonsensical. Big oops!

  • CardiLover

    “Shall not be infringed.” I didn’t read anything about where you live being relevant in the Second Amendment.

  • B-Funk

    Ok, he’s halfway there. I like everything else he believes. Local gov’t should be the only deciding body on weapons stuff, if at all. Honestly, I believe we should be able to own tanks if we have the means and the desire, but oh well…

  • Very disappointed!!!! I had high hopes for this man. They’re all the same is seems.

  • lanahi

    Maybe he was wincing because he didn’t have the backbone to stand up strong and firm on gun rights?

  • lanahi

    Maybe he was wincing because he didn’t have the backbone to stand up strong and firm on gun rights?

  • banger377

    The ONLY purpose of government is to protect life, liberty and property. That means defend God Given Rights. I don’t care how good and correct a politicians ideas are, it’s a NO GO without including Rights as the MAIN purpose.

  • ArmaBorealis

    I seem to recall that the Democrats pushed for a regional exemption to the 13th and 14th Amendments for some time as well.

    One would that Dr. Benjamin Carson would be familiar with the likes of Bull Connor & Gov Ross Barnett.

  • pingan

    tinyurl.com/cnaff79

  • What the heck! I loved this guy and thought finally someone coming on the scene that has so much common sense and morals, but then I hear him say the 2nd Amend. is location dependent and it’s just all gone for me now, all the excitement I had about this guy rooting for us, is just gone!! The 2nd Amend. is NOT dependent on where you live, that is called control. So disappointed!!

  • wbonesteel

    I knew it.

    There’s no such thing as a perfect candidate. A few weeks ago, the right was all but on their knees worshipping this man.

    Now? Let the vitriol spew!

    The right does this time, after time, after time… First, they worship The. Next. Conservative. Saviour. Then, they crucify him/her. If the candidate in question doesn’t give them a reason, they’ll make one up, on the spot.

    That said: What part of “Shall not be infringed” do you not understand, Doc?

    • lanahi

      The “right” grabs onto the first promising candidate they see and vets them later. Not good, and a recipe for disillusionment when they learn more about that candidate and his record, the same as was done with Dr Carson.

      It is not spewing vitriol by saying that the 2nd amendment is not open to compromise. I reject any candidate who tries to compromise on our rights, period.

  • Kordane

    I’m not at all surprised.

    Republicans are always inconsistent about something in their defence of liberty.

    Just talk to any Republican for long enough, and eventually you’ll find some statist views.

    • lanahi

      “Just talk to any Republican for long enough, and eventually you’ll find some statist views.”

      Maybe that tells us how succesful the left has been with invading our values. You hear it enough and it is taken as truth after awhile.

      We’ve got a job to do in educating people, including the “elite”.

      • Kordane

        I think it was best summed up by Ayn Rand:

        Politics is based on three other philosophical disciplines: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics—on a theory of man’s nature and of man’s relationship to existence. It is only on such a base that one can formulate a consistent political theory and achieve it in practice. When, however, men attempt to rush into politics without such a base, the result is that embarrassing conglomeration of impotence, futility, inconsistency and superficiality which is loosely designated today as “conservatism”.

        Today’s culture is dominated by the philosophy of mysticism (irrationalism)—altruism—collectivism, the base from which only statism can be derived; the statists (of any brand: communist, fascist or welfare) are merely cashing in on it—while the “conservatives” are scurrying to ride on the enemy’s premises and, somehow, to achieve political freedom by stealth. It can’t be done.

  • lanahi

    The “right” grabs onto the first promising candidate they see and vets them later. Not good, and a recipe for disillusionment when they learn more about that candidate and his record, the same as was done with Dr Carson.

    It is not spewing vitriol by saying that the 2nd amendment is not open to compromise. I reject any candidate who tries to compromise on our rights, period.

  • A_Winter_disqus_NGX39XIi9K

    oh good god. What is with these supposedly “smart” people. How do we get from “right to keep and bear arms” to the question of semi automatic vs repeating vs single shot weapons? That question is not even relevant.

    When the 2nd refers to “arms” it refers to “arms” that are the equivalent to those possessed by the military. If the military has them then you have a right to own them as well. The second amendment is all about keeping the argument of force available to the citizen when dealing with any tyranny imposed by their own government.

    Good grief people. It may not be very pleasant to think that one of your responsibilities as a citizen is to take up arms against domestically imposed tyranny but that is exactly what the American Revolution was. And, to prosecute that war the people NEEDED to have access to the same or better weapons (ARMS!) used by the forces of what was then their own duly constituted government! (i.e. the British Crown).

    Yes it is scary! Yes it can lead to an absolute horror! But it is the first half of the 2nd amendment that was supposed to address that aspect of things. “A WELL REGULATED militia being necessary for the security of a free state, …” indicates that the appropriate action then was to keep the general militia well regulated and under observation, in order to curb excesses that could lead to horrors. The individual States were supposed to do this! They waffled on the deal. The states, and by extension the people of those states, failed in their duties to regulate the militia well.

    That is where we are now with regards the 2nd amendment. The people have an untouchable* right to keep and bear arms, but the militia is unregulated, undisciplined, and there is no mechanism in place (anymore) to keep the militia from spinning completely out of control. This has produced the essential conflict in all this.

    *Remember that there is a difference between having a right and being able to freely exercise that right. The right to keep and bear arms is an individual thing that can not be separated from you as a human being. However, main force can always be brought to bare to prohibit you from exercising that right. (Rightly or wrongly, this is the nature of “law”). That you have “a right” gives you the moral and political authority to use force to ensure that you may freely exercise that right. Hence the right to keep and bear arms enables the individual to protect the free exercise of their rights, by force, if need be.

    Yes this is really disturbing stuff. But please remember that the folks that wrote the constitution actually did it. It was not just some academic exercise for them. They did it, with fire and sword, they did it.

  • MaryJoLincoln

    Love Dr. Carson, but I think he needs to better understand that more crime is committed in populated areas.  I would think the likelihood is no greater per capita in more populated areas (perhaps even less), but the need for people to protect themselves from criminals in possession of this type of weapon is greater in these areas.  Remember the saying “Don’t go to a gunfight with a knife.”  Don’t face a criminal with an AR15 with a two-round shotgun or a 5 round revolver.  
    Still I love and applaud this man and hope he at least has major influence in the next election.  I’ve read his book, America the Beautiful, and wish it would be required reading in every school.