The Right Scoop
I'll have to watch this later but peeps remember Jesus himself said only the Father in Heaven knows when the End Times will come. Because of that fact I don't take too seriously anyone claiming to be an expert on End Times.
It took me 3 sittings to finish watching all of it, but it was worth the time. Thanks!
It goes hand in hand with our pastor's sermon this week Thy Kingdom Come: The Now and Future Kingdom. In his message, he says that we are the new Israel. We, who believe in His Son Jesus are the ones made righteous by His sacrifice. Although they have different styles, and different approaches to the subject, the message is the same. America is very much involved in the end-time prophecies and we are called to act.
http://www.cornerstoneforlife.com/clientimages/24970/sermons/thenowandfuturekingdom.mp3
Walid knows about as much about biblical prophesy as the Pope knows about speaking in tongues. He makes up stuff as he goes along and gets by with it because people are taken in by his Arabic accent.
While I really struggled to understand parts of his discussion (especially the names of the countries to which he was referring), this was an absolutely amazing video/lesson. Mr. Shoebat has been blessed with the gift of teaching. He's engaging, humorous, and most importantly, well-studied. Thanks so much for posting this Scoop.
Thanks SCOOP! The more I listen to Walid, the more sense it makes that the anti-Christ is or comes out of islam.
The battle or envy of Cain & Able, Jacob & Esau, there has always been and will always be the battle between Issac & Ismael, the Chosen over the works or ideas of man.
Some of the comments I've seen here sound like they didn't even watch the video. I didn't observe much opinion. In fact I made a copy of the video to give to a couple of Christian friends who only believe in biblical teaching not opinion teaching. I think he has a unique perspective since he's fluent in Arabic and the teachings of Islam. I found his sermon more fascinating and informative than any I've heard from any pulpit.
Since we're on the subject of biblical eschatology, you might want to stop by Joel's Trumpet (Joel Richardson) and check out his excellent "Gog As Anti-Christ: A Historical Survey".
http://archives.joelstrumpet.com/?p=4373
Also read Walid and Joel's "God's War on Terror". You can download it for a small fee.
I can recall back in the 80's and 90's when I was devouring commentaries on Revelation and hoping that maybe Hal Lindsey or Tim Layhaye could provide some insight. But the more I checked their references the more that I was convinced that they were off the mark.
I prayed for a teacher who could better interpret Biblical prophecy, Cause all of the aforementioned were well...full of crap...in my view.
Along comes Walid and Joel. Prayer answered.
Walid is right all the countries mentioned in Judgement are in the ME. Eschatology needs to be approached with an eastern mind not a western one. Forget everything that you think you know about end times that you have learned. All of the end times countries are Muslim nations except one. And they are all in the ME.
Kitima is the exception.
Now, go read his book, and listen to his presentation for yourself. Walid's arguements are compelling, and logical. He'll teach you a little Arabic too. I've been through all of his lectures and read his book. This guy is definely on to something great.
Praise and Honor belongs to God who made him and sent this fine teacher to us.
In the video, Walid talks about a well-known church/pastor/preacher that has teamed up with MPAC. But he never said who it was.
Any idea who he's talking about?
Took me a few days to finish it, but truly and awesome video. Sent it to a chaplain of mine, who is a true warriors chaplain. He honestly knows how to preach the word of God to warriors. I also sent it out to some other friends of mine that are Christians. Thanks for the post rs.
One simple illustration about how Shoebat is on the right track about "why no America in the Bible"... There's no Germany either, and given that the mass murder of the Jews is a German exploit, if America is in there as the great ally of Israel, wouldn't Germany rate a mention in the same literal terms?
"You can't be a coward and inherit the kingdom...so get with the program."
I wish I could convince a lot of Christians I know of that!
I've never heard Walid speak before. This was amazing. It's better than any other talk I've ever heard on the bible and Islam.
I was amazed at a Messianic Jew's explanation of the picture of Christ the redeemer in the preparations, food, and actions of the Passover, and also a pictorial description of Christ in the construction of the tabernacle.
This is a MUST save, as I love what this man has to say. Almost two hours will take me a while to watch (probably almost two hours, lol). I'm sure there will be much to comment on afterwards. Thanks, Scoop.
Yep - and seconded: thanks, scoop!
I need to listen very hard because the sound is a bit .... low. Can't get it any louder on my PC.
I noticed that too so I turned on the closed caption. It was hilariously inaccurate. But, it was worth the effort involved in listening.
I only have over-the-air antenna TV, and a TV Tuner card in my PC to turn it into a DVR. With a 25' HDMI Cable I can play anything from the net on my TV, so I was able to turn up the volume on the tv to my satisfaction.
If you use a free download video program and watch it on your PC the audio should be much better. I turned mine clear up to watch the first part online and it still wasn't high enough. I downloaded VLC video player and used it to download the video from YouTube and watched it on my PC was able to adjust the volume just fine. You could even watch it in Windows media player after downloading with VLC.
When I get a video like that, I have to crank up the video volume to max, the monitor volume to max and the speaker volume as well. It usually works, but if I forget I did it, I get blasted out of my chair on the next video. :)
LOL, so I'm not the only one that has been sound blasted...
which reminds me, I cranked it up before transferring to the TV, I better adjust the player and my speakers back to normal.
I know that sound effect as well!
I've found the video on youtube, where I can get it just that little bit louder.
One book that has clarified end times prophecy for me has been "Apocalypse Code" by Hank Hanegraaff. It challenges a lot of what you've heard from guys like Tim LaHaye and John Hagee but brings a lot of common sense into a subject that has been sensationalized in the last fifty years. I've read it a few times and highly recommend it.
May I highly recommend this book by Tom Wright, the foremost New Testamentarian of this generation: 'Revelation for Everyone'.
It is part of his outstanding series of commentaries on all the books of the NT. You couldn't wish for a better way to learn what Revelation is really about, written from a deep knowledge of the Second Temple, the OT, and the world view of the people and Jews living at that time.
Oh - and it is indeed written 'for everyone', in spite of Tom Wright being an acclaimed academic.
I do believe Islam has a part to play in end time event's but I'm not ready to jump on the Islamic AC bandwagon just yet.
W-man,
Good to know you don't jump on bandwagons, so kudos for giving lots of time considering a change in this position.
There are not many others defending the positions that Mr. Shoebat has articulated.
Why?...Unfortunately, there are few Muslim converts who bring the cultural and language perspective to the study of Biblical Prophecy, and fewer still who have the depth of knowledge of both the Bible and the Muslim scriptures.
I give audience to many prophecy teachers until they fail the smell test. My first introduction to Mr. Shoebat was on Zola Levitt's TV program. (Zola is a Jewish believer and respected prophecy scholar who received training at Dallas Seminary back in the 60's before the onset of the progressive dispensational ideas.) On one program, Zola interviewed Walid and made a special request of the viewing audience to give consideration to Walid's ideas (even though many of the ideas were foreign to Zola). Why? I think it is because Walid based his arguments on the text from the scriptures.
Zola had earned credibility with me as an honest scholar. He lent his credibility to Mr. Shoebat in front of his entire audience, consequently I gave Mr. Shoebat my attention. I have been rewarded with a new and better informed perspective on the culture of devout Muslims who honestly desire to follow what they understand and believe to be the Truth.
I have observed that Mr. Shoebat has consistently and patiently appealed to Western prophecy scholars and teachers to examine a larger corpus of Old Testament prophecies, the relevance of which is more apparent to him because of his unique pedigree as a former Muslim submitter.
Just before I wrote this post, there were already 4 trolls attacking Mr. Shoebat as an individual. I am defending Mr. Shoebat to you because of the importance of the subject matter, the benefit I have received from Scoop's posting of Walid's other material, and the hope that same courtesy might be offered to me in the future.
islam is of the antichrist but don't fall for the "prophecy" gimmicks . Sad to say I fell for these prophecy stuff that came out in my first 2 decades preaching and teaching with influences from hal lindsey, jack van impe, john walvoord, charles ryrie and even billy graham. Many have finally left that failed path of eisegesis. Let's focus on the problem at hand: islam is of the antichrist and we must preach the Gospel in season and out of season at whatever cost.
Prophecy is part of the Gospel. Jesus spoke many words of prophecy himself. Maybe he wanted those words heard?
Oh well.... What prophecies? Who has made this so called ex terrorist an expert on geopolitics and international relations? Give me a break.... He has found a money hole to milk people for their money and what not.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/11/terrorism.expert/index.html
Intersting link. But then again, its CNN. So, Caveat Emptor!
While I don't know if I agree entirely with Mr Shoebat on all points, you have raised an important issue. I'll have to do more research into Mr Shoebat it seems. The accusations laid against Mr Shoebat in the CNN hit job are by no means child's play. They must be taken seiously. I will say, however, there is a way to express your caution which does not read in an overly dismissive and abrasive manner, especially when citing CNN as backup. Your comment doesn't do that well and so might cause a lot of people to dismiss your misgivings outright. But I'm open. No man is beyond vetting.
Ah, Winston returns...and with such animos toward the messenger.
Attack the messenger.....let me see...what tactic is that.....and who uses it? Hmmm?
You wouldn't happen to be friends with or employed by Mr. Norquist would you? The new self proclaimed head of the TEA Party second wave?
I might trouble myself to inform you that Mr. Shoebat has made effective inroads within the community of Christian believers, even those who study and teach Biblical prophecy....But I expect you already know that.
Is this why you are attacking him on a blog where potential 'coverts' might give a favorable ear to his thoroughly studied position?
Thank goodness someone else said it. I got my head ripped off by 911 when I said the exact same thing.
"...expert on geopolitics and international relations?" (Winston)
Try "expert on Islam" and "expert on Christian eschatology".
Notice the slight differences in spelling between what you said and what Scoop said.
Absolutely not. Far from an atheist. I just personally don't trust Shoebat. Not trying to offend people but there are things that I don't like about him and don't wish to get into why as it seems to be a hot button issue. Understandably so.
Could you show us a glowing CNN piece of "journalism" on any conservative at all please? How about any Christian?
CNN is a fraud, and part of every progressive democrat's unofficial staff.
Get your facts straight before you smear Walid Shoebat like CNN did. And STOP being so naive to believe CNN:
Thanks for that link. Rebuts CNN's piece very pointedly. I recommend that everyone who has seen the CNN hachet job should see your link also.
I have been tracking Walid Shoebat for many years now and find him quite credible. (I am a graduate of a 4-year Bible College and know how "measure" presenters).
Also - for those who are quite interested in this - there are at least two other speakers who present a credible argument for Islam being the Beast. Irvin Baxter (his video on the 7 Trumpets is an easy overview) and Perry Stone. Perry is sometimes a difficult speaker to follow but his arguments are nonetheless quite solid. Both have quite a few videos on youtube. I am not posting links to specific videos because assessing the speaker matters so much in these types of things and I think it's a valuable process to research and watch in different presentations and settings.
I haven't watched CNN regularly in years. I watch Fox News and listen to talk radio when I can, yet I can appreciate investigative reporting done by cnn on this fraudster. And I believe these ex terrorists are scammers and Fradusters who appeal to religious beliefs of naive people in North America. He is no expert. He is an expert in ripping people off. CNN is biased and anti America, I get it. But this guy is no expert.
First of all, the Roman Empire can't be the legs for reasons I've described above.
Secondly, it's not just the Ottoman Empire, but the Islamic Empire (Caliphate) that came before it as well. Between the two they have conquered the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, and Grecian empires.
Also note there are two legs on the statue, one for Caliphate and one for Ottoman, all part of Islam.
But you are right about Rev. 17. #6 was Rome, 7 and 8 are the Islamic Empires and the revived Islamic Empires.
I know Walid. I've gone to see him speak several times and have alot of his material. He came to our church once. I consider him a friend of mine. I've compared what he says to other Bible scholars and prophecy teachers. I believe he is a genuine believer and I will believe what he says long before a lying media who only investigates people who aren't leftists. As for Walid being right or wrong, he is just as capable of speaking incorrectly as anyone else who tries to teach. I don't know any Bible scholars who won't freely admit that they used to believe something that they don't anymore. As we get closer to the end times, we will be able to tell about things more easily. We are instructed by the Bible to test everything that is being said. Use the Bible to test everything. It's the only truth we have left. The first time I heard Walid speak he talked about the seven kingdoms in world history that have directly affected Israel. #1 Egypt, #2 Assyria, #3 Babylon, #4 Medo-Persia, #5 Greece, #6 Rome, #7 Ottoman. This is what Walid said when I first saw him. The 4 kingdoms of Nebuchadnezzar's statue are Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. The five preceding Rome are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece. These are the five kingdoms spoken of in Rev 17:10
Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The five that have fallen are the five preceding Rome. The one that is (at the time this was written) is Rome. Rome absolutely was the kingdom in power during the first century. I am not so sure about the Ottoman Turkish empire being the seventh. It's very possible and I'm not saying it isn't. I could see the Otoman Turkish empire being the seventh if it represents Islam which I believe it does. Take the areas of all of these empires and see how it lines up with the formation of Muslim nations today.
Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
This verse predicts the reformation of the Islamic califate that is taking shape now. The news calls it the Arab spring and cheers it on as if it is a good thing for the world. You have to remember that Islam used to rule the land of Israel. They can't stand it for a none believing state to exist inside an area that they used to rule.
In a world full of lies, it's nice to have one Truth to hang on to. The Bible is that truth. I don't care what anyone says to argue that.
It is a lot of information bu tit's totally worth it. Many Christians will be duped because they were looking for the wrong enemy.
Winston, it appears you have been taken by hucksters in the past (eg, CNN) and having been so taken, you dismiss legitimate arguments straight out, without hearing them out. That's unfortunate.
There's an old saying - fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Well, it seems like you've fooled yourself many times over and are now the worse for wear because of it.
Too bad. You could learn something from this man, if you only listened. That's all it takes - to listen.
Scoop, Thanks for posting. I'm about 45 minutes into it and am taking a 10 minute break.
This man has a treasure trove of great information.
I subscribe to his website: http://shoebat.com/
Winston Smith is wrong about Walid Shoebat. Probably one of those evil cyber stalkers who stalk anything with Walid Shoebat's name in it and leave disparaging comments just to turn people off from the truth.
RS, it's funny you say it that way. On one of the clips that Scoop posted, Walid said he went around the country saying all these things at churches and different groups voluntarily (for free) and nobody took him seriously. Finally, he decided to write a book (I think it was "God's War on Terror") saying the same things, but organized and bound with a price tag; then people started to listen to him.
He made the observation about American culture that, "Americans don't value what they haven't paid for. If they paid something for it, then they value it." So his choice to go the 'profit route' by writing a book was for cultural reasons. (at least I bought his argument)
If he did it for free, would he then be an expert?
CNN talking heads make a heck a of a lot more money than Shoebat. What are they expert in, other than actively campaigning for democrats?
Sorry man, I can't allow you to smear Walid Shoebat. You'd be better to have kept your mouth shut.
But given that you are unwilling to even entertain the fact that Walid Shoebat is who he claims to be, that you are unwilling to read his side of the story, that you continue to smear him by calling him a 'fraudster', I'm gonna have to take a pass on you as a commenter.
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