Watch the ENTIRE 2nd Presidential Debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama Oct. 17, 2012 8:55 amOct. 17, 2012 9:01 am by The Right Scoop • 761 Comments FacebookTwitterEmail report this ad Below is the entire 2nd Presidential debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama: FacebookTwitterEmail report this ad Comment Policy: Please read our new comment policy before making a comment. In short, please be respectful of others and do not engage in personal attacks. Otherwise we will revoke your comment privileges. RELOAD DISQUS poljunkie RScoop- You have been the place to be thru out this entire election cycle- from the first campaign sign and primary debate. I thank you! Off season you are a great hang out as well! Edit: spelling error!!! p m Thank you yet again, Scoop, for these links. Steven Valdez I hope Mitt Romney has a ‘there you go again’ moment to Obama. GetWhatYouPayFor Before we begin, this election has always been about Obama. The idea that he has a huge task tonight is overstated. All he has to do is give the Media a chance to say, “there he is, the President of the United States and showing everybody that he is our leader. Why would you take a chance on that elite guy who is short on specifics?” It is all about Obama and he failed miserably in the first debate. He fails again and he is done. Romney is the challenger and needs to win. Draw goes to the champ. Hope Romney brings it again. No time for defense. Donald Arey III I won’t be posting, I’ll either be laughing or drinking too much. Wish us all luck! AmericanborninCanada Thank you so much Scoop!! Are we ready to rumble?! poljunkie I’m ready. I am not usually a hater- but I have to say, I really hope Obama has a major gaffe or something. I hope he is rude, obnoxious, or says something that even his die hard supporters wont buy. Steady as she goes Gov Romney. Rshill7 Hey Pally! Do you like this? http://www.therightscoop.com/politico-on-obamas-broken-promises-says-hes-most-vulnerable-on-promise-to-cut-deficit-in-half/#comment-684606677 AmericanborninCanada Sorry mybear, I tried to respond earlier, but I can’t hardly get on here lol. That was great!!!! LOVE It. It would have been a lot less painful to watch you there, than what I just saw. JohnBarry2012 http://blisstree.com/live/candy-crowley-first-female-presidential-debate-moderator-in-20-years-vegetarian-meditates-689/ WHOA! upon TSA inspection (Dana Loesch video taped it), Candy Crowley bears close semblence to Moammar Gaddafy (incarnated without the staches). No wonder both sides object so instinctively and vehemently to CNN moderator. Channeling Jokester Biden/sarc: Rightstuff1 Scoop – you are the man !!!!!! unclesamnephew thank-you dear scoop! i have been sending prayers for mitt. on the michael berry show today, he asked his listeners what 1 thing if they were mitt, would they ask Obama? i would ask why has he declared jihad on non-muslim Americans? keyesforpres Yeah, Romney needs to hit him on his “The future does not belong to those who insult the prophet of islam”. cassandra/kes scoop, thank you so much……….. NYGino Here it is, the beginning of the very end of 4 years of national destruction. marketcomp Let’s hope so, NYGino! jim Asherman I have confidence that he can handle himself tonight. Candy Crowley, I do not trust. I have been watching her since she was young and cute (OMG) Highly partisan. What we have to do is continue to hold our cards tight and not go postal. Because we know now from last weeks VP debate that any kind of behavior by the dem will be not just tolerated, but praised. The President could pull down his pants and moon the crowd, he will still be counted the winner by the media, because they are ashamed that they let their guy down and cried on TV, and Biden’s melt down proved that anything goes, and any kind of shocking nuttiness can be declared victory. So when they do that, we are not going to yell too loud, because we are pretty sure that these polls show that people aren’t buying it. So I am just going to watch quietly. Orangeone 1st time voter directed his question only to O’Bambi when Mitt won the coin toss to response first. Instant set up. cathmom Mitts not telling him HOW he can get a job tho marketcomp Mmm what about those part-time jobs and why haven’t you done it already Mr. President? p m 5 million private sector jobs?? marketcomp Lying and long winded! keyesforpres Good grief! Obama’s pants are on fire right out of the gate! cathmom Looks like Obamas answer to Jeremy is better than Mitts, he is giving red meat. Come on Mitt dont screw it up. marketcomp But he’s lying! Galatiansch2vs20 Retrained for the jobs of the future- is that what college grads with debt want to hear? I don’t think so! Joe I have a BRIDGE to SELL you ! iHeartLife Because that’s what we need to save the economy…What in the world is Obama thinking? marketcomp He’s lying! Romney taking it to him again! cathmom Hes lying on the energy jobs too!! Like the way Mitt took it to him on GM bankruptcy. Orangeone Did the moderator just call Gov Romney Romley? WTH? poljunkie Yes she did, and then she didnt let him respond to Obamas BS. jlbs I thought I heard that too. librtifirst Weak opening Romney. Too many generalities. (which the media has hit him on) You will make sure he has a job? Obama came out more authoritative. No specifics either. Romney needs to step it up. Good. Romney is turning back to Obama. Maybe this will be a face to face. tshtsh Thank God for mute buttons! Orangeone Mine too 🙂 I only wish my TV would fade to black when the idiot is pointing, shaking and waiting to pee keyesforpres LOL…you said fade to black… Orangeone I expect the Obamabots to scream racism any minute now. Galatiansch2vs20 Yay- Romney brought up that those auto places went into bankruptcy! cathmom But here comes the liars rebuttal lying lying lying iHeartLife Clearly putting the blame on Obama’s shoulder! Galatiansch2vs20 Obama used tax payer funds and the auto places wound up in bankruptcy anyway! iHeartLife That’s right and Romney is making sure the voters know who is to blame for the stupid decisions that have lead to the weakening economy. UGH! Obama is disgusting…GO ROMNEY! Getting in O’s face, hehehe… Joe Obama sounds foolish He does not like this hard work stuff PLUS He looks EVIL! marketcomp Joe, he is evil! You and I have been paying attention to this! Joe I like you! Joe ZERO is screwed Didn’t answer the question about high gas prices PLEEEASE Mitt – Nail the bastard! MaxineCA Gosh, I’m watching this of Fox….. don’t know how long I can listen to O. What an obnoxious A$$!!!!! Crowley just cut Romney off from replying to O. Orangeone Find your mute button! jlbs I watched on cspan. My husband sat down to watch with me and after 30 seconds of 0 talking, he said “I can’t stand it…….I’m going to bed!” p m Wind driven cars??? marketcomp Oh Lord here we go again! Clean energy! Galatiansch2vs20 The local sources of energy- oil and gas- increased not because of you, Obama, but in spite of you! What about the moratorium on off shore drilling and investing in Brazil? What about private land versus public land? jim Asherman Hasn’t been on long but… Lousy TV direction and audio control. (A mess with all those wireless’) The President seems like he is throwing out the kitchen sink, And Waffle the Hut is letting him do it. freenca The empty suit arrives again, Up your @@@ with a gallon of gas! Hahahahahaa!!!! The BO isn’t gonna cede the jobs to the foreigners ? What a rube!!! Bombs And Dollars Question: “Is Chu right that we shouldn’t try to decrease gas prices?” Obama’s answer: “We need to waste money on so-called ‘green energy.’ China is currently wasting money on wasteful subsidies. We need to follow their Communist lead.” jleinf Cowlady is letting Barry get away with lying. So lame librtifirst Maybe Romney should mention where the resources that we do mine go. (not the US, largely) Art Telles Right on Romney… He did not let Candy Crowley stop him from clarifying the Obama comment about Detroit and bankruptcy. Art marketcomp I love this! Joe The question was about CHU and HIGH prices NOT Energy marketcomp But it addresses the high cost of gas with this stupid green energy policy and money. keyesforpres It’s the same. keyesforpres Wow! Didn’t know Obama sued North Dakota over dead birds to stop them from drilling. Outrageous that the federal gov’t is suing anyone. drphibes Romney’s kicking arse already. Obama looks bad attacking. Romney looks good, and sounds credible. cathmom I dont know about that……..I hope you are right tho jleinf Fix the economy and everything else won’t matter. keyesforpres No…get our freedoms back, turn back to God, and turn back to the Constitution…the economy will take care of itself. Galatiansch2vs20 In a documentary called Monumental, it tells of a monument designed to show people the way back if America ever strayed from her roots. p m Aaaarrrggghhh – the ‘New Normal’ strikes again… jleinf Barry’s lying big time on energy independence. Joe Candy is doing her job! ZERO is lying – Darn it Mitt – Nail him now !!! Mitt – WAKE UP! Jim James Obama is consistent. He lied in ’08, he’s lying now. He’s lied all his life. The End. MaxineCA Arghhhhhh, O is such a lying sack of crap! Dodoforever Canspell Just 15 minutes into the debate is enough to tell me that I can go ahead and bet that Mitt Romney is gonna win this debate too. Any takers? Bombs And Dollars Obama just claimed (“lied,” perhaps would be a better word) that more drilling is occurring now that under Bush. He even pointed out, “Bush was an oilman.” So I guess by those standards, Obama hates the environment. Linky1 I just called BS to my TV with that lie. Orangeone But Romney pointed out it is on private land and emphasized North Dakota! Zing. jleinf Go Romney take the liar to the mat. B-Funk Yah! ^_^ drphibes Yes, we’re driving our Volts to Solyndra, right? Nukeman60 Hit him! Hit him! jim Asherman Oh Crap ! Face off ! underconstantatack here we goooo B-Funk Nail him Romney! librtifirst The coal, oil, and natural gas are going to China and to global markets. Who cares how much we produce if we cannot produce enough to effect the world market, which is the only way to lower “our” prices. Romney is ignoring what a lot of people already know. He would get massive applause if he pointed out the truth. Currency devaluation is a big part of it, and he could tie it into Obama’s debt spending. Orangeone Moderator already letting O’Bambi take over the debate. Shut him up! Galatiansch2vs20 If there’s so much increase in oil production, Obama- how come gas prices are up so high? Joe SMACK DOWN! marketcomp I love this! Go Romney! iHeartLife Romney to Zero: “That wasn’t a question. That was a statement.” YEAH BUDDY! Linky1 I normally reserve jumping up and down in my living room for either the NO Saints or Philly Flyers. Not tonight – I just jumped up and down and fist-pumped Romney…..Romney OWNED Barry – he wouldn’t look at him, he was walking away, he can’t handle the truth. jleinf All Soebarkah can do is say Romney’s lying. Turdboy Barry drphibes Mitt is an animal! marketcomp He’s awesome! Bombs And Dollars Wow, Obama is pretty shameless lying about how much he supports drilling for oil. poljunkie Ok, I cant stand this. iHeartLife Hang in there. Romney is doing great irritating Zero and showing his true, arrogant nature. poljunkie Thank you. I can barely stand Obamas responses. His BS drives me nuts. iHeartLife I hear you! ARRGH! Zero’s talk about tax cuts is all based on his thoughts and beliefs – NOTHING CONCRETE AND SURE… jleinf Facts are tough to beat right Barry? Nukeman60 Romney has to be careful asking Obama a question. Obama will take over the microphone. AbdulBX WOW! Galatiansch2vs20 The price of gas was at 1.80, 1.86 because the economy was on the verge of collapse??? celestiallady Can you believe he said that – wtf poljunkie People have actually responded that line to me when I have said how high gas prices are now. jleinf Obama’s a fricken liar freenca The energy discussion graphic was sooo cool the empty chair in the background Romney was talking to was terrific!! poljunkie Oh geez, they laughed. Theconservativechic Pulverize that mother ——! drphibes Pipeline is popular – O is damning himself by putting it down. underconstantatack trillions of dollars later Joe What the hell is ZERO talking about ? The economy is bad so the prices were down BUT Now it’s worse and the prices are higher WTF marketcomp BS! Linky1 Socialist Economics. Living in Wonderland, like Alice-everything down is up. jerryrob I know a wind turbine manufacturer laid off 700 people because they feared for the future. jleinf Cowlady is covering for Barry’s lies. Good job Romney not play that crap p m Candy, Candy – I’m still here! Don’t forget about me… Art Telles Right on Romney… I really like how Romney is responding to the obfuscations of Obama… … so, for the future eye-to-eye responses by Romney… … Right on Romney! Art librtifirst That was a tag team by the moderator and Obama. drphibes Romney is the alpha male tonight. librtifirst I’m glad he didn’t back down to the moderator. Linky1 Candy’s getting cranky as Barry is flopping. p m Middle income, not middle class – yeah! marketcomp I love it when Mitt uses facts! jerryrob Mitt quoting Biden, “The middle class has been buried the last 4 years”. Joe BTW – I went to HOFSTRA U Lot’s of CHOOMING THERE ! ZERO should feel comfortable there! jleinf The Middle class got crushed the last 4 years says Romney and Biden. Sweet! poljunkie Wow thats a good round up of the taxes- I was worried about the deductions. Galatiansch2vs20 No tax on interest for the middle income people! jerryrob I don’t buy the statement from O about the gas prices being low 4 years ago because we were on the brink of economic collapse. marketcomp That’s full of crap! jim Asherman Of course you don’t. It is insane. JohnBarry2012 Obama is on the short-end of the truth to defend his sorry records, gasping for bandwidth to argue desparately in vain. jleinf Why is it that Romney seems to know what he’s talking about and Barry just seems to be saying what people want to hear? jim Asherman Obama is engaged. But so far all he has is “we are going to build on that “. But He didn’t build that ! jleinf Barry added 6 trillion to the debt underconstantatack My arse cut taxes!!! Joe NOW – It was ———————————–Carter’s fault Good one ZERO! jerryrob I work for the Illinois Department of Transportation. The dems have stolen our pensions under Blagojevich. jleinf Any tax rate over 20% in stealing librtifirst Federal income tax is theft. Consumption tax is the answer. Susitna You won’t believe it but Obama gets red when he is nervous. He started to lie from the very beginning of the debate. He lost the second debate already! And, I guess he will cancel the third debate by reactivating the war in Lybia. Romney pushed Obama into a corner and the President-good-bye had to defend himself all the time. Great strategy! Galatiansch2vs20 Even if there were some kind of tax cut, it doesn’t do any good, Obama, for those who are out of work because of your policies of failure! iHeartLife Who cares about his tax philosophy? Zero is an idiot if he thinks his philosophy over-rides the reality of his policies. LIES LIES LYING LIAR! opinionatedhermit When do we start talking about foreign policy? Isn’t that what this debate is about? Obama keeps filibustering. p m I think the thrid debate is on foreign policy opinionatedhermit OK, my bad. Thanks! jlbs That one should be a barn-burner!! drphibes Obama losing. NOBODY thinks their taxes are lower. jleinf What’s fair is EVERYONE pays the same rate retard SaraPFan Romney is kicking butt. jleinf Affirmative action/choom logic is sucky stage9 Um WHERE are all of these “tax cuts” Obama has given me exactly? Did I miss this? Joe My tax was cut I have no job! marketcomp My tax cut plan—get rid of Obama! Joe ******************BAMMO!********************* marketcomp Why bring up the military! Libya and weakness! Galatiansch2vs20 How does it grow the economy with a tax credit to have your kids go to college when the college kids come out and can’t find work? SaraPFan Calm down Joe Biden 🙂 jleinf Hey Barry if you cut spending GDP increases just ask Sweden CG patriot Obama’s flustered again…………………… ,) Romney’s got “O”blunder on the defense. Slow and steady Romney, just let Obama lie himself into a tizzy! iHeartLife He’s speaking an octave higher, hahaha… jleinf Barry’s smirking jerryrob O’s a liar about the 2% and 98%. The poor in this country think they’re part of the 98%. They’re not. O is thinking globally. The American poor are in the top 2% globally. He wants to take away what the poor have and make you government dependent. That’s why the number of people on food stamps has gone up so much. cathmom Barrys been handing out food stamps like candy. Nukeman60 Hey, Obama’s in the background laughing. Did Biden coach him? jleinf Cowlady just teed one up for the record sealer JohnBarry2012 Obama is chanelling Jokester Joe, sneering and laughing. Bombs And Dollars My internet connection is so damn slow. I ended up turning on both the CBS news feed and the ABC feed, so now I can hear sound bytes from 5 minutes ago and from 3 minutes ago simultaneously. Joe Try http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/ Orangeone No worries, it’s just rhetoric for O’Bambi with no clock running on him. I’ve yet to see the clock when his mouth is moving but it’s always in the pix when Mitt is responding. jim Asherman CNN has the clock. And the split screen and the voter reaction real time. drphibes the old canard that tax cuts = spending. liberal pap. iHeartLife OH MY GOSH! THE MILITARY HAS TO ASK FOR MONEY TO GET MORE SUPPORT?! [expletive! freaking expletive!!!] jerryrob JFK 1962 librtifirst Romney needs to throw Obama off his game with some side issue zinger. jleinf Romeny time to ask the big questions about fast and furious/Libya cover up. marketcomp Oh God thank goodness for the mute! poljunkie My husband leaves the room when Obama has a turn. marketcomp I certainly understand that, poljunkie! Joe Good Exercise! drphibes obama lost in stats, sounds wonky. jerryrob How much have we lost in the last 4 years you _________. Bert Payne He just lost the debate. The fact checkers will blow this up. jleinf Romney the problem solver,Barry the jive turkey jerryrob Go Mitt Go!!!!!! Let him have it on the debt. iHeartLife Zero, did the military also asked to have their budget cut too? What about the Bengazhi embassy asking for military support? Or is it only money issues you stick your nose in? stage9 Actually, I work in the defense industry and they are scared to death if Obama gets reelected. marketcomp S we are all with you, my friend. Bert Payne Candy coming to the rescue. “Before we unravel all that bull sh**t, lets change the subject.” jim Asherman At least twice so far. Galatiansch2vs20 Brought up broken promise about cutting the deficit in half! jleinf Cowlady is covering for the lame one drphibes romney slaughters on the trillions in deficit answer. librtifirst This moderator sucks. drphibes disagree. freenca Only if you mean that she is sucking up to BO! drphibes Cite specific incidents. freenca during the discussing of Bengazi, BO gave miz Crowley a look and she immediately cut Romney off, for one. drphibes I found her fairly even handed. Although she was wrong on quote about “act of terror” remark – context was 9/11/01, not 9/11/12. freenca Yeah, I got that correction too. To give her the benefit of the doubt is what I try to do too. Yet I know I am a bit more in the Romney camp, as I just get the feeling that she was more sympathetic to the president than I am. More people that I know are suffering as a result of his policies than are prospering. drphibes Good point. I’ll have to watch that exchange again. She admitted she was wrong later that night in an interview and that Mitt was right “in the main.” jleinf Barry was raise by his grandparents-LIAR drphibes frank marshall davis. keyesforpres His REAL Daddy. Joe He was raised by his drug dealer marketcomp LOL! cathmom Bet there wont be any question on Libay huh??? Its gonna be up to Romney to bring up that subject and Mitt you better do it!!!!! librtifirst Not sure that this debate is supposed to include foreign policy, but he could tie it into financial issues. Art Telles Right on Romney… Obama’s math ‘doesn’t add up’ Art jerryrob I don’t know who this black guy is. This isn’t the same president we’ve seen the last 4 years. Or… is it? marketcomp It is! He’s just trying to get re-elected. Bert Payne Here come the Obama relief questions. jleinf Choombaya- I make it up as I go Obama Rightstuff1 Maybe but he is doing more than holding his own……this is a different guy to who showed up last time. Romney is not doing as well as we need…. Bert Payne Glass ceiling? Wasn’t she a bank VP? jim Asherman retroactively downgraded during the “war on women”. underconstantatack O easily forgets his “stories” he has about growing up~there are too many (lies) to remember Linky1 He should watch “Dreams from My REAL Father” or read the Communist for a refresher course on his life story. stage9 Inequality in the workplace? I know, Obama will force businesses to hire more women! WHAT??? drphibes woman in O admin paid lower. stage9 Talk about a stupid question. jleinf uh er ah uh AbdulBX why is Obama yelling? iHeartLife He’s trying to shout down reality. jenndee WHY does he have to make everyone a freaking victim!! It drives me crazy! jerryrob Is your deep concern for women why Hillary got thrown under the bus on Benghazi? What a ladies man. jim Asherman If there are no questions on Libya then we know whose fat feet to lay that at. Linky1 Foreign policy is the next debate. there will probably be more questions by then. jleinf Soros took Barry aside and reminded him there is no quiting thus a new level of lies from Obama iHeartLife There is an excellent video on Youtube of Thomas Sowell dealing with this issue of pay equity. drphibes romney wins on women’s issue with REAL anecdote, not rhetoric. marketcomp Fantastic answer! SaraPFan Didn’t Obama have 4 years to create jobs for college kids? He doesn’t have any credibility now. More college grads are moving in with their parents at an historic percentage. jlbs Right!! He talks as if he is not the incumbent……no doubt hoping we won’t remember he has been in the Oval Office for the last 4 years. Wish I could forget!! stage9 PC POLICE! Bert Payne Uh oh. Making dinner? librtifirst Oh no! Romney is buying into sex division. marketcomp You have to admit its a good answer! librtifirst Not sure. It is essentially “women’s affirmative action” and group (socialist) mentality. I would rather see him talk about “equal” rights and non-intervention by government. Susitna Obama had the guts to serve us yesterday’s cold coffee and it just doesn’t taste anymore. I was looking at him and I had only one thought: We need to get out of the time of darkness. jerryrob I have a bad case of Obama-itis. When he talks all I hear is waaaa, waaaa, waaaaaaa. Like Charlie Browns teacher. She made more sense to me than O does. Joe Keep this handy http://www.thewambulance.com/ Joe Those EARS are freakin’ HUGE! Orangeone Slam dunk from Mitt. I know math and I know when it adds up. I have run businesses all of my life. The President promised to cut the deficit in half and he doubled it. He mentioned the Olympics with balanced budget. MA with a balanced budget. jleinf It’s spanky time for the red diaper weenie jim Asherman The president is calling Candy, Catherine. What a BOOB ! poljunkie Oh here we go…Abortions for everyone!!!!! Joe Can we still do ZERO’s??? jleinf Yeah CONTRACEPTIVES FOR WOMEN! SaraPFan Women have lost their healthcare because of you Obama!!!! Because they’ve lost their jobs!!!! Art Telles Romney’s comments… … filled with substance Obama’s comments… … filled with rhetoric Art p m Contraceptives?? marketcomp Not a job! drphibes mentioning reimbursement of birth control not effective. Galatiansch2vs20 It’s a negative! underconstantatack O seems to get A LOT of time iHeartLife CONTRACEPTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ECONOMY! Galatiansch2vs20 Well- in a way it does. Use of contraceptives have prevented a lot of babies from being born… babies who might have grown up to be productive members of society! marketcomp Which is also a byproduct of a weak economy. Galatiansch2vs20 Clarify? stage9 if women are all about contraception how come I’m still single? SaraPFan I was thinking, Romney should have continued, “The middle class has been buried the last 4 years to quote Joe Biden!!” jleinf I find it ironic that Barry support abortion because he would not be here today if it was available in 1961 drphibes he doesn’t want to punish his daughters with a baby poljunkie Exactly. Galatiansch2vs20 Government should not decide companies have to provide birth control pills! Bert Payne How do you know the woman who asked the question (about pay) doesn’t practice abstinence? drphibes good hostile question from audience – disappointment in last four years jenndee It is the TRUTH!! We make dinner, and have to be home to get the kids from the sitter by 5 and when the kids are sick we need flexability to work from home. Not contraception for free and taxpayer funded abortions from planned parenthood! MaroonRepublic I think that’s obamas job bill. More abortions and contraceptives means less unemployment in the future. Surprised they don’t calculate that in the unemployment numbers. Galatiansch2vs20 And with the disregard for human life at the beginning, not giving proper care to the elderly at the end part of life so they die more quickly is a natural progression down the evil slippery slope. The money the elderly invested was spent already by the government and not enough younger people are replenishing what government took away from them, so it follows those with disregard for life would next focus on making sure the elderly die off more quickly! AbdulBX Are you serious? jleinf OYEAH , IT’S BUSH TIME! JohnBarry2012 Disadvantage forum for Obama, he has to address to the audience to slander Mitt and lie about the facts to answer the audience’s questions MaxineCA Oh good grief, first the war on women and now the blame BUSH! jim Asherman The Bush question. And some very poor moderation. Nukeman60 He should say, “I’ll have a Republican Congress.” poljunkie Perfect, although I dont think she would like that. jleinf Barry say no no no toCandy the Cowlady keyesforpres Liar! Planned Parenthood does NOT give mammograms. poljunkie Wow Obama is a petty little man. 3D 81 Ooooh here comes Obamas answer to what will get the country back on track….CONDOMS AND ABORTION! Joe ZERO’s DINNER just came up a little! iHeartLife If zero is so concerned about his girls being trapped with a baby maybe he should educate them on the worth of their purity and to save themselves for men who will treasure and protect them…INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THEM TO SLEEP AROUND when they’re older. IDIOT! drphibes brilliant answer on Bush differences. stage9 What was failed about Bush’s policies exactly? It wasn’t until Obama came along that Iraq and Afghanistan fell apart! keyesforpres Wish Romney would have explained to that woman about the Community Reinvestment Act and showed that it was all democrat policies that manifested themselves near the end of Bush’s second term. jleinf Economy,economy,economy will kill the libtards marketcomp My TV is on mute! Joe That’s not fair! marketcomp After years of this crap I have a real appreciation for the mute button! drphibes Obama whining again, blaming Bush. Childish and unpresidential. Joe There you go again – Bush – Bush – Bush ! jleinf LIAR, dems created the housing crash jenndee It is all Bush’s Fault and the rich’s fault. There has been a gazillion new jobs created. This man is nuts! Susitna Addressing women issues……I am still shocked that Obama thinks that these issues are always related to sex and to the „result“ of having sex. But with whom are women having so much sex? The guys never show up in this issue. Maybe we need protection from rapists or pro choice fanatics. But besides that, we actually need food, education and jobs like everyone else. Mrs. Fluke who seems to need 3000 USD for her sexual health per year is not representative for any regular citizen but a great supporter of Obama because she likes free candies! Obama has destroyed the image of the American Women worldwide and if this is not a real war on women I don’t know how to call it. Jihad? stage9 Obama’s very very defensive! cathmom good thats exactly where Romney wants him. Cheryl Fallon I think so too! drphibes obama’s halting speech. he’s blown synapses in this debate. Bert Payne Obama is strutting now… He must think his lies are working. It’s easy to lie about Bush, so he must be winning. underconstantatack O spends more time trying to target Romney and shoot those arrows than give educated answers. Filled with hate (fear) and put downs jleinf Hey Barry where did most of the stim dollars go-overseas? jleinf BUSH,BUSH and BUSH he’s soo evil Art Telles Excellent distinction with Pres. GWBush… GWBush was a ‘manager’ as President, not a leader. Hopefully Romney will NOT be a ‘manager’ but a leader and hire the ‘managers’ Art jleinf BLAME,BLAME and BLAME jim Asherman These questions suck stage9 Extreme place.? GOOD! jleinf Barry you didn’t do shit for the economy drphibes this is a family show, no cussin. jim Asherman Bin Laden is dead. Cue the burning flags. drphibes audience questions are tough on O. Black man less enthusiastic in 2012! Bert Payne Mitt’s answer was ok. To win an argument you have to confirm what someone already believes (though you have to help them see it). What problem did she have with Bush. The war. But did she have a problem with the tax breaks. No she did not. jenndee Mr. President, I like puppies what kind of puppies do you like? Governer Romney, Why do you want women to die of cancer? GEEZ stage9 LOL! Joe Zero – Big dogs taste better – not puppies jlbs I would think that puppies would be more tender. Joe Bla – Bla – Bla Give that man a CIGAR! librtifirst You have grown Al Qaeda, you idiot traitor. stage9 “We went through a tough four years. I want you to go through 4 more with me.” jleinf Barry struggled with only 82 games of golf Nukeman60 I thought we borrowed that money to go to war. How can we spend it on other things? librtifirst Have the fed give it to the banksters, then sell it to the government. Bert Payne Obama has his generic talking points to answer the black guy. Suspicious that the black guy asked such a generic question. drphibes huh? that was a negative question by a black man, not generic. stage9 A lot of us are (struggling)! LOL! You aren’t! marketcomp What is he talking about?! stage9 He’s talking about trusting him that he will destroy America for four more years. jleinf Romneycare is not working well Soebarkah Brian Take money from rich and give to failed solar. keyesforpres Oh wow…I didn’t know he killed Osama! stage9 If you elect him, in the next four years he’ll kill Osama again. Joe He’s probably lying about that too He has him hidden in the WH keyesforpres Barry didn’t give the order to kill Osama. They knew he was there for at least 6 months and Barry refused to give the order. Also, that photo of them watching Osama being killed was photo shopped. Bert Payne Obama’s face just changed. The black guy must not have been nodding. Obama looked angry. Joe EVIL !!!!! underconstantatack Hes (O) breathing awfully heavy jim Asherman Obama is 5 minutes ahead in two minute answers. drphibes romney KILLING obama reciting O’s own broken promises and failures. Galatiansch2vs20 Pointing out broken promises on unemployment and social security and medicare; also on immigration reform, deficit cut, etc. drphibes uh oh. food stamps. dog whistle! jleinf The Islamotards sure don’t want the economy to fire up Bert Payne FINALLY! The truth about the “5 million jobs”. Good Mitt. Galatiansch2vs20 More food stamps, slower growing economy with each successive year. Cheryl Fallon Way to go Mitt!!! poljunkie woo hoo Galatiansch2vs20 except some of Obama’s tries did work- working toward destruction in this country! marketcomp Romney is tak’in it to him! iHeartLife And look! He’s cool, calm, and has a smile on his face…Nice. jleinf Spanky time for Barry keyesforpres Oh, Barry would like that! opinionatedhermit Mitt is not putting forward the arguments like he did before. I liked the way he took it to Obama with facts such as 2 million teachers for a single year of green energy. librtifirst He is not offering a new twist to his answers. He needed to. opinionatedhermit I agree. I would describe it as Mitt taking his ideas down the lane a bit farther … underconstantatack Y E S !! Cheryl Fallon Mitt knows his numbers and Obama knows how to be a charlaton! iHeartLife zero is the king charlaton. Bert Payne Lay it out Mitt! Things are going to hell buddy. SaraPFan That’s it Romney!! Obama does have a record. I don’t know why the media pretends that he doesn’t. librtifirst Yes you do. Joe —————I ——————————————- SMELL ————————————————————TOAST BURNING! stage9 OK, Romney just hit the ball out of the park with that answer! jleinf fix the tax code and let those that want to better themselves succeed librtifirst I guess that all of the talk about major tax structure changes that we heard in the primary debates is now gone. keyesforpres Yeah baby! Joe Stop saying KIDS They are children KIDS are GOATS ! keyesforpres Now Joe, you know that muslim men like to date goats.. Galatiansch2vs20 Is speaking against amnesty to illegals and pointing toward those who are trying to get in legally being shut out because of illegals! iHeartLife That’s right. Great point. keyesforpres Yeah, you could tell the chick was pissed about that. He should have asked her if she’d like it if millions of Americans snuck into Mexico and took millions of jobs from Mexicans would she think that is alright? I don’t like the talk about giving kids legal status though…you do that and they can petition for all their family members to stay. It’s just a back door amnesty for all. Galatiansch2vs20 I did not like that Romney said he wouldn’t go back on what Obama did (illegally I might add) re: offspring here illegally brought by parents . Orangeone Here comes Romney illegal alien amnesty speech. No amnesty for illegals! BOOM! There are 4 million waiting in line to immigrate to this country. Boo on the pathway for kids whose parents brought them here illegally (benefiting from the fruit of an illegal action) bad, bad, bad Mitt Romney. keyesforpres Agreed. They all need to leave. Orangeone Double boo on not rounding up the 12 million illegals. That’s the same as saying it is totally okay to violate our federal immigration laws, and oh by the way taxpayers, suck it up and pay for them and all of their offspring. CG patriot There’s that word again, social policy! Yep, Romney is different then Bush, and Romney sure the heck is a lot different then you Obama. Mitt’s a Leader in waiting, your a con man who got lucky in 08 and your policy’s…………….Pfft’ are 3 1/2 year’s of complete disasters! cathmom Is Romney winning yet? librtifirst No. cathmom shoot! But Obamas not winning is he? Joe ZERO is LYING his way through ROMNEY has FACTS librtifirst Obama is losing on facts, but time and demeanor………….not sure. drphibes Strong answer on immigration plan, O’s squandering of chance to do something. stage9 yeah, we’re all immigrants. For instance Obama is an illegal immigrant. Joe ********************BAM!************************ keyesforpres Ding! Ding! We have winner! Nukeman60 Pure BS appears to be a winning answer for people who don’t fact check or know the truth. That is how Obama gets away with his answers in any debate. RosiesSeeingRed Yep. I’ve been watching and swore I’d stay away from my computer so as not to distract myself, but the LIES just got to me, and I had to come here to see if I’m the only one who thinks Obama just stands there and lies through his teeth… and that the uninformed public HAVE NO FREAKING IDEA that he’s lying. Joe Openly lying drphibes flow across border lowest in 40 years because NO JOBS librtifirst Flow over the border is down because of the drug war, white slavery, and no jobs for them. jleinf Barry might be our first illegal alien POTUS iHeartLife Might? He is….He is no American. Was being educated in Muslim schools during the Civil Rights movement. Has no roots in it. During his formative years he was being educated in by anti-colonial, anti-american minds. stage9 Go after criminals??? Um, hey stupid, illegal immigrants ARE criminals! You buffoon! underconstantatack TIME?? drphibes rambling WAY past clock. jleinf Barry does have legit papers- he knows this topic keyesforpres Why should we make it easier to come here? We need a moratorium on all immigration. Nukeman60 Why does Romney let him have these 3 1/2 minute answers? keyesforpres Because he knows it gives us all a chance to catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz’s……………. stage9 How do you know if someone’s illegal unless you check his papers? LOL! jleinf Mitt don’t say E-verify around Barry poljunkie I dont think he had to mention he lost to Mc Cain. keyesforpres Ah it’s good to be able to poke fun of oneself. Cheryl Fallon He promised to leave after 4 years if he doesn’t get the job done…so go! cathmom Romney needs to bring that up at some point…….. jleinf e aa,ii eh ah ooo keyesforpres Ya gotta hand it to Barry…he knows his vowels! Galatiansch2vs20 Rude moderator! iHeartLife Obama was the one interrupting but she tells Romney to shorten his answer? Galatiansch2vs20 Don’t remember the detail now, but she had been rude to Romney! jleinf aa oo uh ya ooo woh stage9 ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A CRIME!!!!!! keyesforpres Yup, approx. 25 Americans die at the hands of illegals everyday. Close to 100,000 Americans have been killed or murdered by illegals since Sept. 11, 2001. jleinf Barry said E-verify jerryrob I like Arizona immigration policy. poljunkie I love the blind trust thing. Obamas pension probably has the same investments. Thats why he was trying to interrupt. jenndee Yes!! Obama can go on and on about Romney’s finances and all hell breaks loose when you mention Obama’s. BULLCRAP!! underconstantatack time is so unfair!!! Art Telles Right on Romney… Obama was silenced conveniently and appropriately… Yes. Art SaraPFan Wahhhh, waaahhhh. My pension isn’t as big as yours Romney. 🙁 Bombs And Dollars On immigration: There are folks all around the world applying to immigrate to the United States. And Obama denies them. Because he wants to allow law breakers to illegally immigrate instead. underconstantatack Exactly…..I thought Romney spoke well on that whole Legal issue too.He had good points. keyesforpres Obama has doubled and tripled visas for muslims. They are being flown in by the thousands every month. Many are in polygamous relatioships and the pilots are told to ignore it. They are being distributed across the country to midsized towns and they are put on welfare. poljunkie LIBYA!!! keyesforpres What a d!ck. Can’t even answer Romney. BlueGood The questions to me seem to be planted…. keyesforpres They were screened ahead of time. I would have submitted something I know they would approve and then ask the question I really wanted to ask when called on. Hee! Hee! stage9 They start companies like Intel and Google?? Aren’t those AMERICAN COMPANIES? They aren’t foreign companies! librtifirst Google was funded by government. Sorry to say it, but they are essentially a spy wing of the CIA. jleinf Kerry’s a plant with a nice libtard hair part jim Asherman Libya. Deflect. underconstantatack buying time by pointing at Romney stage9 Uh oh, Libya coming up! jleinf Planted question for the coverup liar Galatiansch2vs20 You waited until the embassy was being overrun to decide to beef up security? cathmom Romney better catch him on that one Galatiansch2vs20 Hopefully he will do it later. Cheryl Fallon so not true barry…you could have cared less…it took six hours before anyone moved on this….heard it on Rush today…. underconstantatack BLAME AGAIN drphibes now obama is patton. jleinf Barry got to the bottom of F&F too right? Brian He bows to our enemy. cathmom Oh oh here come the Libya lies, and he is now trying to blame Romney!!!!! Are you kidding me???? Bombs And Dollars Obama just said our ambassadors are not representatives of America. “They’re my representatives.” He thinks the government and its people serve him, not the Constitution. Cheryl Fallon You politicizied it Barry -you all said it was about a movie! keyesforpres …and then stood in front of our enemies at the UN and said, “The future does NOT belong to those that insult the prophet of islam”! He was letting them know he supports the blasphemy laws!! He was saying Americans should be killed for speaking the truth about islam. RosiesSeeingRed OMG, Obama is making a fool of himself on the Libya question. Galatiansch2vs20 Sibling going ha, ha, ha- what do you think he did with that movie? jleinf Libya planted question stage9 YEAH BUT THIS WAS ALL AFTER THE FACT YOU TWIT! You CUT security before the attacks! RosiesSeeingRed Exactly what I screamed at the TV! jenndee Like making up a you tube video and then bringing out false statements in front of a caskets for a photo op. I truly dislike this man! underconstantatack You nailed that one iHeartLife LIAR LIAR BENGHAZI LIAR! How was your night’s sleep when Amb. Stevens’ was still unaccounted for? The question: Who is responsible for denying B. emb. extra security? What the hell does it matter what Romney said? tshtsh Who needs b.o. let cc answer. tshtsh I take it he never replied to the question that was the only thing I wanted to hear from the liar. keyesforpres He went to bed while it was still going on. stage9 AFGHANISTAN IS A DISASTER! Bombs And Dollars On Libya, Obama said, “Everyone will be held responsible. [Except for me.]” (“I will be responsible for throwing anyone under the bus and putting the blame on them.”) jleinf It was the video and spontaneous Islomtardedness keyesforpres I think you meant perpetual islamtardedness! 🙂 stage9 yes, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOOL! Jim Land ugh……Obama is more compelling that Romney tonight. Obama might by lying through his teeth, but he is performing better than Romney right now. librtifirst Sucks, but true. Cheryl Fallon No he’s not he is weak-his record reveals the truth-look at where America is today and then four years ago! jleinf Fast and Furious anyone? Galatiansch2vs20 Too soft on Obama, while saying he thinks Obama says buck stops with him which wasn’t soft, going on to say those things happen from time to time re:security. Did someone not tell him of the more than 200 security problems reported prior to this attack in Benghazi? cathmom Yeah he should have been tougher on that but maybe he is holding his ammo for next weeks debate I hope Galatiansch2vs20 Not the time to hold on to ammo! Cheryl Fallon Yessss….way to tell it Mitt!!! MAKE OBAMA ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS ACTIONS!!!! poljunkie mention that Iraq was “ended” because of the timeline Bush set. poljunkie AND today your admin is neogiating to stay in Afghanistan longer than 2014 as you and Biden promised. John3_3 Romney is smart. jleinf Appeasement never works on bullies and islamotards jleinf The day after the attack I was partying in Vegas keyesforpres Oh but only after he stood in the Rose Garden doncha know? stage9 Going, going GONE! Galatiansch2vs20 GREETING the caskets??? msverde1 Our current POTUS is the ultimate prevaricator and a joke. No healthy economy, no chance at social reform. He MUST go and it is so refreshing the attack dog Romney is on his game and sticking a fork into this charlatan and poor example of leadership, exhibiting the same damn condescending smirk like his sidekick. He has no credible record to stand on and Romney is doing an admirable job emphasizing point for point the fact. Now he has been posed the question about Benghazi and is once again lying about having no knowledge about the security dangers Steve and his cohorts and protectors warned this administration prior to the occurrence of the tragedy. CYA in the nth degree! He must go now!! BlueGood SET UP QUESTIONS….O’Buma bin Lyin is trying to claw back from the fiasco of Benghazi! librtifirst Romney has no passion tonight, and Obama is coming across as firm and confident. cathmom I dont agree I think Romney is passionate enough…..hes been pretty forthright and pushing when he needs to librtifirst It doesn’t seem to be matching zero though. He was fighting in the beginning, but seems to be winding down. cathmom Media is going to call it a tie I think librtifirst Not this time. Obama will get the favor in the post debate dialogue. librtifirst Looks like you were right. It seems like they are reporting it as being fairly neutral. jenndee Bring on the CASKETS!! You just played politics you moron! jleinf liar in chief be lying stage9 Why is it that everyone knew it was a terrorist attack but the President? iHeartLife It’s offensive but it’s the truth. ZERO ADMIN ARE CRIMINALS. jleinf BaBOOM! underconstantatack CAUGHT poljunkie Oh geez, Really, you dont play politics?????? Really Obama? Bombs And Dollars Fact check: Obama didn’t take responsibility for Libya. He threw it on Hillary. If Obama wants to walk that back and take responsibility, then he needs to answer for why his administration lied about the event afterwards and why his administration denied requests for enhanced security. stage9 Did he not play politics by blaming it on a video? jleinf Cowlady covering for the teleprompter boy. TJinNJ Thank you Kerry Ladka…you knew Libya would be last to minimize impact…Candy covered up nicely for Barry… Cheryl Fallon When did he say on Sunday that it was a terrorist attack??? Nukeman60 He didn’t. He said it was an act of terror, not a terrorist attack. Killing our Ambassador is always an act of terror, but Obama is BSing his way through this. librtifirst Romney is stuttering. RosiesSeeingRed Pres. Eye Candy Running to Candy for Cover. VERY OBVIOUS. Cheryl Fallon NOONE SAID IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK INITIALLY!! jlbs By my recollection, it was 10 days before they admitted it was a terriorist attack. And then it was presented as if they had said it all along. Well, there are more of us out here who were paying attention and can remember what was said and when. jleinf More libtard planted questions BlueGood I think Mitt wants to Slap him!…I know I do! jleinf attacking the second stage9 I love how they are rewriting history! jleinf a prayer? jenndee Were those two really just stupid enough not to realize O completly stepped in it? jerryrob Can we go ahead and vote now. I don’t think I can listen to O for another debate. librtifirst I don’t know that I can stand to see Romney perform like this again. stage9 now THIS is a planted question! freenca Bengazi—– fail fail fail! Mr. BO!!!! Galatiansch2vs20 Romney clarified-Obama did not the next day attribute it to terrorist act done by a specific terrorist group. AustindPowers i hope Romney brings up Fast and Furious here… Galatiansch2vs20 ME TOO! drphibes Yes. jleinf 2000 AK’s to Mexican terrorists without the mex government knowing? iHeartLife The questions on Benghazi shouldn’t faze Romney because the truth will come out as time will show. jleinf Hammer the F&F mastermind marketcomp Yes! I hope Romney brings that up! JohnBarry2012 Fast and furious walking guns for Obama. Rightstuff1 Romney is losing this debate. He has missed several really clear openings to zing this guy. I just heard the discussion on Benghazi – why didn’t Romney bring up the 60% of all PDB’s that Obama has missed throughout his Presidency? Romney was doing well on immigration and needed to follow up with the closer which was that Obama spent 2 years chasing healthcare reform than focusing on immigartion and instead he goes back to his blind trust in China. Stupid !!!! I’m frustrated. Obama is an aggressive liar and this partisan hack is troubling to me…..but we all knew she would be a partisan hack so deal with it… Stewie why didn’t Romney bring up the 60% of all PDB’s that Obama has missed throughout his Presidency? THIS- jenndee If he did, which he said he did. Then that proves that Biden, Rice, Hilary and everyone in the administration was lying. Because they have been saying they didn’t know. That is why Romney was making sure he said ” I did say that on Sunday”…am I right?? Bombs And Dollars Q for Obama: “What have you done to ban ‘assault weapons’?” He actually hasn’t done shit to ban assault weapons. He never advanced that bill, which might be for the better, but from a liberal standpoint, he did just as much on that bill as he did on immigration reform. Now everything he is saying in this sentence is a stream of crap he doesn’t believe. stage9 Working with FAITH GROUPS!!!??? LOL! p m yeah – the ones in the mosques – the piece-lovers… jleinf Attack on the first ammendment will be next from the undecided PLANTS librtifirst Already happening. Don’t have time to provide the links, but it is there. Marky_D Mention fast and furious!!! aaaahhhh Galatiansch2vs20 Hope Romney finds out what was behind Fast and Furious! Marky_D Yay! jleinf The second ammendment is a biggy for all commie orgs Galatiansch2vs20 Yes- moms and dads raising kids, training them in the way they should go! Fast and Furious- he’s mentioned it! iHeartLife YES! Fast and Furious BOMB! jleinf Barry F&F? librtifirst I would love to see Romney “accidentally” call Obama “Barry”. It would make my night. FarmingMan Tell me when Obummer starts telling the truth. His crap sandwiches are [not] something we are eating. Even a person with no senses at all would beleive Obummer. jleinf Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! stage9 DOHHHHH! F&F! Cheryl Fallon http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/14/The-Big-Lie-Obama-Did-Not-Call-Libya-Attacks-Terrorism-on-September-12 jleinf FU Cowlady redirecting to protect the F&F mastermind. opinionatedhermit She just cut off Mitt Romney and Fast and Furious. Even worse, he went along with it…. Aikalo80 At work here not watching, but hopefully Obama loses stage9 The 2nd amendment ENSURES THAT NO GUNS ARE BANNED! jleinf Skipped over F&F quickly hum? p m zero is such a lying hound – it’s all he knows librtifirst This is Obama capitalizing on Romney’s liberal record. We knew it would happen. cathmom Well at least Mitt brought it up but yes Candy cut him off and now Barry is rebutting but of course he wont go near the F&F issue, schools, parents etc etc. iHeartLife Obvious protecting of zero by moderator. Romney was doing great hammering F&F and just as zero was about to interrupt him, the m. did. LOSER! Orangeone This debate was Mitt’s to lose. He had the opportunity to drive home Libya and he failed. He had the opportunity to slam dunk Fast & Furious, lies to the American public, cover-up with Executive Privilege and he talks about schools, parents and marriage instead? WTH is up with him. stage9 Maybe he’s seeking the endorsement of the Constitution you FRAUD! librtifirst I like that one. “liked” underconstantatack Every time Romney makes a point O BEGS “Candy? Candy?” RosiesSeeingRed And it’s obvious too, don’t you think? I haven’t seen Romney run to Candy once for cover. As soon as Obama gets hot under the collar, he runs to her to change the question. Does he think we’re blind? stage9 O’s used to running to the media for cover. jlbs Yeah, he thinks we are blind and deaf……..I pray he gets creamed on Nov. 6! jleinf ah,ah ih,ih oo duh drphibes i want Candy. i want Candy. (sorry.) keyesforpres Good job Romney….getting Fast and Furious in there! Galatiansch2vs20 The problem is, public schools are indoctrination centers. Natural selection brainwashed kids at Columbine took their belief to a violent conclusion. Romney was onto a better track when he mentioned moms and dads. jleinf Lets go back to F&F stage9 Yeah the kids involved in BLACK MOBS are really going to Nasau College. iHeartLife Oh, for crying out loud! That Teacher statement is so old and already has been fact-checked. Brian Not as many people will be watching this time so it does not matter as much this go round. jleinf Cowlady will be rewarded big time for saving Barry on F&F stage9 I understand but I’ve got a few more minutes of BS to wade through here. librtifirst Wow. That hour and a half went quick. drphibes trickle down gov’t. love it. Stewie I think Mitt missed a ginormous opportunity during the question about who denied security to the embassy. He should have noted that the POTUS did not answer the question, and deferred 30 seconds of his own time for the POTUS to give the man his answer. That would have been masterful. keyesforpres Folks watching know that O did not answer the question. Stewie Possible, but if Romney had made a point of it, it would have hit the media like a tsunami……and Obama would have blamed the economy on it. jleinf Barry’s gaining confidence after that last msm save librtifirst What about the Fed being a currency manipulator, you………………. Come on Romney. Art Telles Re 2nd amendment… Obama lost that point… all by himself. Art Bombs And Dollars Have to disagree with Romney on Chinese currency. “If they put the currency down low, prices are down low,” true, which also means that we can afford to purchase more. If the devalue their currency, they hurt themselves. Now Chinese people can’t afford things, but Americans CAN afford things. INEEDACOUNTRY O was such a big baby tonight FarmingMan Please let me know when Obummer starts telling the truth. Any one who can read and has half a brain knows Obummer is feeding us his crap sandwiches. stage9 The Mexican lady in the background is NOT happy! Didn’t like Romney’s answer about immigration. keyesforpres Yeah, it’s always about themselves and their illegal buddies. No loyalty to this nation…they just want to keep invading and want to take over. freenca Fast & Furious fail BO! College ed– off topic! Romney is getting the mud on BO all over the place!!! And the mud is the stinky kind! Currency manipulation, yes Mitt. Playing by the rules! Most important as a tenet of the free market! drphibes romney is so credible and effective describing his solutions to the economy. Art Telles Dittos… Substance over style, aka rhetoric. Art Cheryl Fallon Canada-15% corporate tax rate, US -35% corporate tax rate-where would you go? Good point Mitt! BlueGood We’re open for Business Cheryl……JK… jleinf Obama wanted to raise corp tax rates_wtf liar BlueGood Canada gets an Honourable Mention from Romney! 😀 15% Tax Rate on Business! LOL Chris Listening to rose garden speech now: Used the word attack twice. Used the phrase : “terrible act” NOT ONCE DID HE SAY TERROR OR TERRORISM ! stage9 WE KNOW! He thinks we’re stupid. iHeartLife Excellent. cathmom Yeah but will Media call him on it? Even Candy Crowly agreed with the One Galatiansch2vs20 Charles K. at Fox did. Galatiansch2vs20 Thanks for being a fact checker! iHeartLife zero, you’re in power right now. Why haven’t you put you so-called tax cuts into practice already? STUPID! RosiesSeeingRed Well, that’s it in a nutshell. He owns the last 4 years, and nothing he says can change the reality of what Americans know. librtifirst He had the congress as well,……………………………………nothing. Orangeone Gotta give this debate to Obama. Romney handed it to him on a silver platter. When asked about AK-47’s Mitt talks about schools, parents, and marriage before children. Did he sleep through Fast & Furious? The door was wide open and he stepped aside. Outsourcing. Mitt goes on and on and on about tax rates. No Mitt, you needed to turn around and point to Obama and tell the audience and viewers that he outsourced GM plants to Russia, China and Mexico and built them with our tax dollars. WTH. stage9 He spoke about F&F! Did you miss it? Orangeone 15 seconds of his response and he referred to government. He needed to use the entire amount of time to drive the message home. He needed to name names, it was Obama and Holder’s plan, Holder was held in civil and criminal contempt by bi-partisan members of Congress, they are hiding behind Executive Privilege, etc. etc. and raise the similarities to the Benghazi cover up. I could care less about schools, and parents and marriage before children in a response to AK-47s and gun control. cathmom Did you miss the F&F part? go back and watch it. Orangeone See my other post. And I’ve been Tweeting with Katie Pavlich, the author of F&F and she said similar to my response. Worthless from Romney Please remember, we know this scandal, the average American voter does not. Stewie Although he was right to talk about family and values….it wasn’t Mitt that lost it (although he missed several extremely important opportunities)- the format made it impossible to have a discussion like he tried early on. He had 2 choices: Combat the lies, or give his argument for himself. The number of lies told would have occupied all the time leaving little for his own solutions. Orangeone But Stewie he started strong and then he simply dropped the ball. He said he agreed with Obama and that Obama was right over and over just like Paul Ryan did. I actually think this forum was much better than Biden/Ryan at the same table. I don’t know who was coaching Romney but I’d like to take over for debate #3. Stewie But Stewie he started strong and then he simply dropped the ball. I know— I was doing a lot of yelling at the radio. I saw Romney had pen and paper. He should have been prepared enough to have a number of expected lies, and a set of rebuttals, but he just let them slide. I do think the format was terrible though. This is important stuff, and it’s almost hard to believe that candidates only have a couple hours to discuss the issues and their records in front of the people for the mothersmurfing presidency of all things. I still have to watch this again to make sure I’m not judging too harshly, but I think it will end in disappointment. Too many opportunities missed and it was although Romney didn’t anticipate certain things. Several people here have mentioned various points on some of the issues, and I know we are all just arm-chair quarterbacks that aren’t in the live debate and we don’t know how we’ll react, but allowing all the lies to get through, whether true or not, if unchallenged, people will believe it to be true. Orangeone Well said. And with a moderator who favors for Obama he should have been even more prepared, especially around Libya. The moderator lied and hundreds of millions of people now believe Obama. Check out the poll on TRS. Almost 1/3 believe Obama won the debate. keyesforpres Doesn’t mean he won on the facts. Galatiansch2vs20 Someone who doesn’t win on facts doesn’t win! Orangeone Apparently Crowley has now said Romney was correct. Too little, too late. keyesforpres He needs to mention that O is now outsourcing NASA! Orangeone Good one! Stewie ….and technology, national security plus whatever GM is doing. drphibes “tens of thousands” of jobs mr. o? we need millions just to keep up with population. Galatiansch2vs20 If it’s creating 10s of thousands of jobs across this country, why are there less people in the workforce than when you took office? jleinf Barry out sourced stimulus jobs-jerk SaraPFan Obama says he wants to lower the corporate tax code to keep jobs here not outsourced to China, why hasn’t he done it? He’s had FOUR years. I don’t believe what I’m hearing. He keeps saying, I want to create jobs, I want to double our exports, I wanna I wanna. He’s had FOUR YEARS. FarmingMan Please tell me when Obummer starts telling the truth. Any person with half a brain and can read knows Obummer is feeding us his crap sandwiches again. cathmom All those “undecideds” dont know when they are being fed a crap sandwich. INEEDACOUNTRY O made way more mistakes tonight and of course lied most of it Mitt did not do BENGHAZI very good. jleinf Change a few laws- it’s not rocket science Cowlady librtifirst Romney is attacking China more than Obama. Brian Let the parents choose the kids lunches. marketcomp Romney is just soooooooo knowledgable! Cheryl Fallon Obama wants to show the crowd he is fighting but we will still wake up tomorrow with the same problems and issues tomorrow that are taking America down! Nukeman60 Obama has the time lead bigtime and now he’s telling Crowley how to manage time AustindPowers Romney should’ve said something like president obama believes “if you own a business you didn’t build that, somebody else made that happen,” and in his mind you owe it to them and the government to pay higher taxes. he doesn’t believe you should be rewarded for your hard work, for your good ideas, for the risks you took… and that’s why our economy is struggling today. jenndee Government doesn’t create jobs!! Love it!! Cheryl Fallon GOVERNMENT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS!!! Unfortunately people on the left don’t think that way! jleinf Obama plant-last question- notice the hair part again underconstantatack what do you mean hair parts? what did I miss? Galatiansch2vs20 Some jobs that aren’t going to come back, Mr. President? Low wage jobs are excellent jobs for high schoolers and those working while in college in getting work experience. Excellent point Romney made about government not creating jobs. RosiesSeeingRed At the end of the day, the last 4 years sucked. That’s just a fact. None of Obama’s lies can change that. People can watch him “be assertive” or whatever during this debate, but his words defy reality, and he didn’t say anything tonight that would give them the confidence that the next 4 years would be any more successful. He’s toast. jim Asherman 100% Good Romney here. stage9 Oh Gosh! SIT DOWN YOU IDIOT! jleinf Barry believes in Barry or god because he’s the one Nukeman60 I hate that smirk of Obama. JohnBarry2012 Rommey’s preemptive strike before Obama bring up the 47% narrative. stage9 If you were a color, what color would you be? Galatiansch2vs20 The color God created me to be! stage9 The question was stupid. Galatiansch2vs20 Just as a lark? jleinf Can we go back to the F&F question? stage9 Independents are idiots. jenndee That is what the “I” stands for. librtifirst I don’t know about independents, but undecideds for sure. Rightstuff1 Maybe but this guy is a consummate liar and he is unfortunately winning this debate from where I sit…… jenndee God forbid Romney goes over time! I cannot wait to see the time clock on this one. Nukeman60 Obama is guaranteed a 3 minute 15 sec lead. Cheryl Fallon Oh Barry but you have worked hard to create jobs for the government librtifirst Is Obama talking to himself? “Barry”. Oh, he was talking to the guy who asked the question. jleinf Barry has this one rehearsed RosiesSeeingRed Fundamentally different vision as to how we move our country forward — YEP, and YOUR VISION ISN’T WORKING IDIOT. Cheryl Fallon YOU DON’T BELIEVE in the FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM! stage9 Barry…….HEEEEEYYYY that’s MY name! jerryrob Welcome home President Romney!!!!!! Cheryl Fallon BEWARE OF THE MAN THAT SEEKS TO DIVIDE LIKE BARRY JUST DID jleinf You would have to be a blind shiek to not notice the planted questions stage9 Everybody should be fair, except me. jenndee Really, you want to fight for the soldiers….BULL! Cheryl Fallon FAIR SHARE!!!!????? stage9 Everybody should pay their fair share except higher income folks. They will be unfairly penalized. poljunkie Ended on the 47% ehhhhh stage9 This WINCH gave Obama more time than Romney! jleinf Hey what about F&F who approved it? drphibes Romney wins, not as big, but wins. drphibes Candy did great job as moderator. No complaints. Art Telles Obama said he believes in the free enterprise system… As a ‘crypto’ commune advocate, of course he would say what commonsense ‘we the people’ agree with. So, why does he have so many advocates of the ‘commune’ in his administration? Art Mike Bittner That was the BIGGEST LIE in the debate IMO! RosiesSeeingRed It wasn’t a slam dunk for either. Each party will think their guy won. I wonder what the independents think… personally, I think if they’re unemployed or working 3 part time jobs, they’ll think Romney won. stage9 If you’re “undecided” there’s something seriously wrong with you. librtifirst You could be independent, and never vote for a democrat. There are some advantages in being independent. I am considering it after 22 years as a republican. stage9 Yeah, but what other choices do you have? You can either vote for a liberal or a Republican/Conservative! No other time in history has there EVER been a more distinctive choice in ideology! librtifirst I’m looking at third parties. I am really disappointed with republicans right now. I am starting to advocate for a mass third party movement. If the pubs get enough Tea Party types to make a difference, then I will reconsider. I have two more years to decide. stage9 But that’s so unrealistic. Paul nor the Green Party are even legitimate contenders. librtifirst I don’t like the green party. Thinking Libertarian or constitution. They have a ways to go before they can compete. stage9 I don’t think either one is a reasonable vote. If you vote that way it’s a “statement” vote. Nothing more. As America continues to lose its moral standing folks will begin to become more liberal in their thinking. Liberals are the party of the anti-god vote. And God is a name of the past in many people’s minds today. We’re noticing that shift in the youth vote already. A generation or two from now you’re going to see an entirely different America. The libs will regroup. Repackage their message to a younger generation and the vote will shift as the older morally aware gernation passes on. The only thing that can stop it is a shift in moral aptitude and only God can do that in the heart. But folks don’t want God, so the downward spiral will continue and radicals will capitalize on that. Look at France. It is a model of things to come unless we change course in the heart. The Founders knew this. Unless we figure it out, and I don’t think we will, we’re doomed already. librtifirst I don’t think we will either, because I have studied bible prophesy. Libertarians are much more conservative than republicans nowadays. People tend to think that they are liberal on social issues, but they actually follow biblical principles better. They advocate the same thing that God does for their fellow human beings, which is don’t use force to change people (doesn’t work anyway), and let people suffer the consequences of their own actions to reform them. Republicans have been supporting socialism for too long, and are still advocating “shoring up” the social systems, while libertarians are saying “get rid of them”. I just don’t see republicans taking any ground, even when they can. This includes abortion. Libertarians, largely, advocate for abortion to be called murder, because they are staunch believers in “do no harm to others”. There are liberal Libertarians, but most of the ones that I have followed are staunch conservatives. I have been listening to Gary Johnson lately, and he makes a lot of sense. He advocates for getting rid of the IRS and creating a consumption tax. This gives government incentive to grow consumption which means that they have to get out of the way to get income. I am not defecting any time soon. I want to see what happens after this election cycle. If Romney continues the Obama/Bush agenda, I am probably out. The GOP really screwed up when they changed the rules at the convention. They will have many defectors over that, as they take power from the local and state republicans and put it in the hands of a “presumed nominee”. It was the antithesis of free election by the people. Stewie Whenever I hear conservatives/tea party/constitutionalists speak this way, I shudder. Not because you’re wrong, but because your strategy is wrong. How did Communists/Marxists/Socialists get their power in this government? They infiltrated the power structure, which is the same thing we have to do within our own party. It will take time, but the progressives learned over 100+ years how to do it…..it would be stupid to not follow their lead, considering they were successful. While it is true that the Republicans are clamping down on their power structure to keep people out- it can be done, although it will also take time. Too many voters are only partially informed or misinformed so it would be nearly impossible to create the vast movement to a new party without ceding valuable time and progression that we can’t afford to lose. Reconsider, please. librtifirst I haven’t decided yet, and won’t for quite a while. I am predicting that we will have a major financial crash within the next year. It may be severe enough to lose our sovereignty as a nation. If we go the way of Europe, the people will be taken out of the process completely, because we will be merged with other nation states after the collapse. I don’t see the Fed Note lasting much longer, and we are about to lose world reserve status. It is not that finances are the main priority, but the consequences of a financial collapse will override any other issues. The executive orders are in place, and the police state is as well. We could lose our elections and see a complete infrastructure takeover by government. This perspective doesn’t really allow for a long term solution. I will wait it out, and we will see. Stewie I agree with you….I think it’s staged, and it has been setup over the past couple years. It’s the only way to explain the Fed’s actions and the actions under this POTUS. I’m not a wacky person, I’m just a realist that deals with what I see going on and draw my own conclusions. …..but before that happens, lets at least fight the good fight. The Federal government has taken land, which I think is collateral for debt owed (think I……but if the people don’t let it happen, it can be curbed- provided that they are informed. This is the beginning of a long fight for freedom, but don’t allow or facilitate the potentially anarchic situation which may arise. I don’t want it because it opens the door for government to subdue any threat and act against its own citizens. I don’t want to put my country through a possible century of hell, just because I was dissatisfied with the current government’s direction. Lets work to turn it around, rather than shake it all up and see what happens; because the truth is that when you have almost 50% of the people that think they deserve someone else’s property, and only about 20-30% that believe otherwise (and maybe 1/3 of those that believe it’s worth fighting for), you are cutting your own throat, because the mushy people in the middle will side with the largest show of force, which will be those with the power of the government/military/population. librtifirst Couldn’t have said it better myself. I have been saying that a rebellion would never win anyway, and you stated the reasons why. Stewie Thanks bud- librtifirst My vote doesn’t count anyway, so I was thinking about helping their numbers. Waiting to see if my vote could possibly make a difference for Romney, but it has been several decades since Oregon counted in a presidential election. Galatiansch2vs20 If they get a pro-life, pro-marriage tea partier running against Romney in 2016, I’d like to vote for them! librtifirst Most libertarians identify with the Tea Party, so it is quite possible. The GOP pushed and forced Romney on us. Due to that fact, many will abandon the pubs if Romney screws up. Galatiansch2vs20 I don’t agree with libertarians on legalizing harmful marijuana and leaving abortion and marriage to the states. librtifirst Those issues are the greatest divide between the two conservative parties. (other than foreign policy) It is tough trying to figure out what would yield the best results overall. As I said, the pubs are not doing it when they have the power. How long should we put up with it, and how do we get them to move? We fight and spend our money supporting them, and they turn on us every time. They have the electoral process tied up and control the power structure in the states and D.C. The RINOs are holding the process hostage, along with the democraps. I fear that we need a revolt to change anything. (political) Galatiansch2vs20 Oh, yes. I forgot about that… I don’t agree with Ron Paul thinking Iran is not a threat. When we know about an impending threat, such as Iran’s rapidly developing nuclear capability, that’s in our interests and Congress ought to support a preemptive strike before Iran strikes both our ally Israel and us! librtifirst Abortion is already covered by federal law. They can prosecute murder. They just need to declare it murder, and negate Roe V Wade. Galatiansch2vs20 I wish I heard libertarians, such as Ron Paul is pretty much, articulating that. Romney has the same position of leaving it to the states- bad position. librtifirst Paul calls it murder. He also said that the republican congress under Bush could have negated R-V-W with a simple majority vote. This would put it back to the states, but I don’ think that he was saying the states should decide. He was simply wanting to make a difference for a change. He did say that drugs should go back to the states. This makes me wonder if it wouldn’t be a bad idea. https://imageshack.us/a/img607/7854/13v152.gif Drug use is up due to abolition, so something should change. The welfare state is actually funding most of the drug problem as well. Get rid of welfare, and most of the drug purchases go away. Galatiansch2vs20 I remember in debate, he wanted the decision to go back to the states. I felt Ron Paul was naive in what seemed to be his assumption that all the states’ majorities would be on the side of life. Drug use is up due to ‘medical marijuana’ being legalized in some states, due to the war on drugs being diminished compared to how it was back when Nancy Reagan took up the cause, due to the rotten public school system, and most of all due to sin and the fiber of the family being largely demolished in this country. Can you imagine if someone used the argument (if it were true) that people not wearing safety belts has increased in this country since it became a requirement by law in front seats, so maybe we should do away with the requirement? Not wearing safety belts in the front seat of cars leads to more fatalities with accidents. And marijuana often leads to addiction to harder drugs, besides having harmful side effects of its own. Bring back to work requirement Obama has messed with when it comes to welfare. librtifirst I can totally empathize with your position on the drug issue, as I held it for a long time. I have been forced to consider what the limits of “force to curb behavior” are. This has caused me to consider alternative tactics on these issues. None of the answers I have come up with are probable, so I don’t hold my breath, but I do see how ending welfare would end a lot of drug use. I also understand the concept that legalization would end the cartels, and limit the damage through regulation by the state. (such as the case with alcohol) I also just don’t see any of it going away, and it is getting worse every year. As Christians, we also need to provide a good example for society, and a good alternative to a destructive lifestyle. Galatiansch2vs20 Why would end cartels? Drugs would still be profitable, I imagine, as it already is here with ‘medical marijuana’. And people often don’t stick to marijuana, which has its own detrimental effects, but move onto harder drugs from there. Then there’s meth and bath salts and synthetic drugs. People can steal for their drug habit, they prostitute themselves for their drug habit, they endanger children with their drug habit. What if shop lifting was getting worse every year (might be true with this bad economy, I don’t know)? Would you say, we should just go ahead and make it legal, because it’s not going away- it just gets worse every year? I don’t think you would because it hurts other people. But I see that drug usage has a way of hurting not only the person taking them, but other people as well. The alternative would be a relationship with the living Saviour! librtifirst The cartels would lose their customers. The industry would move away from criminals and into the regulatory system in the US. Marijuana imports would literally evaporate, as it is easily cultivated with the homes of people who want to use it. Drugs in general would still exist, but usage would be reduced considerably. This can only happen by ending welfare. Most of the destructive drug use is directly linked to welfare recipients. They receive free money and rent. They use their food stamps to trade for drugs, and they lose any moral integrity through the process of being a part of the welfare system. It used to be that people were ashamed to be on welfare, but that is not the case now, much of the time. When anything that people may want is made illegal, the price goes up, and it never ceases to exist in society. This creates an underclass of crime that is not just directly linked to the drug, or whatever it is. The more laws that we have, the more criminals we have. When we have more criminals, the criminal mindset changes morality in society. When government has so many laws that literally everyone in society is in jeopardy of breaking laws without even knowing it, the people lean toward rebellion. Rebellion is a negative mindset that parallels criminality. This is why making new laws and using force on society has its limits as to how effective it can be to maintain a peaceful society. As criminality compounds through this process, the people running the government become more and more criminal. The people in the private sector become more criminal due to the laws that other criminals make. Government has to increase its use of force to control the criminality of society. The more force that is used, the more rebellion we have, which compounds criminality. It is a vicious cycle of perpetual criminality that leads to the economic and moral destruction of a society. This is where the drug war is headed. We are doing a lot more to destroy the economic prosperity as well, which compounds criminality as well. Poor people do things that they would not if they were not poor. I am not saying that money will solve all of our problems, but I do recognize the pragmatic consequences of actions taken by the State, and toward the people. At some point liberty has its benefits above that which a repressive government can offer. When people have to produce to survive, they cannot afford to be drug addicts. Other people who have to produce don’t tend to support the bad habits of those who don’t produce, and without welfare drug addicts don’t have any support for their addictions. Libertarians look at what our society is producing now, and what this alternative would produce, then they choose the course that would do the least amount of harm, and with the least amount of moral hazard. I see this as the more Christian thing to do. It does not equate to supporting drug use. Galatiansch2vs20 Do you think that maybe those people wound up on welfare- at least some of them- due to their drug addiction? Drug addiction crosses soci-economic lines, not only affecting the poor, though I believe addiction can drive a person to the streets. But famous people, such as Whitney Houston to name one example, also have done drugs. You said: ‘The more laws that we have, the more criminals we have. When we have more criminals, the criminal mindset changes morality in society.’ Criminal mindset comes from people being in rebellion against God. Rebellion against authority when it comes to choosing to do illegal drugs in the first place just a symptom of it. To borrow your logic, what if someone suggested if we made abortion illegal, the cost of abortions, since they would be against the law, would go up? And the more laws we have, the more criminals we have. But you believe abortion is wrong… the act of abortion is wrong, regardless of whether government makes a law about it or not. And the problem is, doing drugs is wrong too and can even kill in some cases. Marijuana is often a step toward harder drugs and has side effects of its own. Ruined minds, aged bodies, hurting those around them they love, child neglect, leaving drugs lying around for them to get into…. where does it stop? With a mind wasted by drugs, where do these people wind up? Sometimes on the streets as prostitutes (drug addicts often find ways to support their addiction), and even sometimes dead. I’ve been hearing of big tax revenues raked in from ‘medical marijuana’ and it likely won’t be long if the country continues on its current trajectory before you get your desire (if you still feel the same way) of drugs becoming legal that aren’t under federal law now…. and likely will wish you hadn’t. You said: ‘When government has so many laws that literally everyone in society is in jeopardy of breaking laws without even knowing it, the people lean toward rebellion. Rebellion is a negative mindset that parallels criminality.’ What you are saying makes me think of God’s law (Who also instructs on the role of government)… everyone is breaking God’s law every day! People are bent on rebellion against God. And it is definitely criminal that people sin against God! Romans 7:7 NAS ‘What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.”‘ http://www.thelandofthefree.net/quotationchristian.html (source of quotes below) “The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evil men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.” – Noah Webster “History fails to record a single precedent in which nations subject to moral decay have not passed in to political and economic decline.” – Douglas MacArthur, Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in the Pacific during WWII “Human law must rest its authority ultimately upon the authority for that law which is divine…far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other.” – James Wilson (signatory of the Constitution) For myself as a Christian, I find Scripture informing me I should take care of my body. (I Cor. 6:19-20) I believe that study showed that drug use was HARMFUL to society, otherwise, it would not have been outlawed in the first place. There is the burden on families, the medical costs of drug addiction that can drive of medical insurance costs, the neglect and abuse of children, driving while under the influence with impaired concentration. librtifirst There is nothing that you just said that I disagree with, if we lived in a world that was 100% professed Christians. Everything that you said is absolutely true for those who have entered into a covenant with God, and through Jesus Christ. The law was given to show us our sin, and that we could never live up to the law. Jesus said that He did not come to change the law, but to fulfill it. In fulfilling it, he meant applying mercy, love, and forgiveness. This was a new concept at the time, as you may well know. When Christians seek to use force to manipulate society toward our moral precepts, it has consequences spiritually that are negative toward the cause of saving those who do not know Christ. Paul the apostle taught that we cannot judge the world, but that we can other Christians, so what you speak about is ok within the church. Christ led by example, and not by the use of force and condemnation. We are to save others through example, and are to never use force. Paul also talked extensively about legalism. He even had a falling out with Peter about it. Peter got caught up with a crowd that was preaching circumcision for salvation, which is no different than many today who preach baptism for salvation. Works do not save, and the law only condemns. Are we to save the world with the law, or with love, mercy, and acceptance? How do people respond to religious legalism, who are not saved? Christians cause others to rebel against God because of what we do in forcing our morality on them through government, as well as other means. The distinction that I use to differentiate between that which is righteous in the law of the land, and that which is not, is that anything that does harm directly to another person or their property should be illegal. Anything that is only damaging to the individual, or their property, is not righteous within the law of the land. Liberty is a concept that is lost if we pick and choose which ones we are going to allow people to engage in. Abortion kills babies – illegal. A child getting into a controlled substance – illegal. Legalizing drugs doesn’t mean that we don’t consider them to be a controlled substance. Alcohol is a controlled substance. Some people may end up on welfare because of drugs, but if welfare is not there, then natural consequences will have a chance to regulate behavior before drugs become a habitual problem for people. Natural consequences are God’s creation, and they are also God’s regulation. We infringe upon God’s plan by intervening with welfare. It is wrong, according to the bible, to take those consequences away. Another reason that the social systems are immoral. Rather than letting God work, we step in with welfare. Behavior regulation through the use of the force of law goes against biblical teaching as well. Did biblical law change the morality of the Jews? The Pharisees are the best example to answer that question with. Why do we think that we can create a more moral society by forcing people to obey our moral constructs? One practical application of this concept is the fact that many liberals are flocking to Libertarianism. They do so regardless of the fact that the moral basis for Libertarianism is the concept of Christian non-interventionism. The bible teaches that Christians should avoid offending others, even when they practice their pagan rituals and immorality (under God’s law) that is not harmful to others. These liberals say “hey, I don’t have a problem with these people because they don’t want to tell me what to do”. Then they learn the principles of liberty, and accept conservatism on many issues such as finances. As Libertarians accept them, they come into the fold and progress toward a higher level of morality. This works the same with Christianity. When non-Christians understand that Christians don’t want to control their lives, they accept them into their lives. That gives Christians the opportunity to witness by example. Main stream Christian conservatives go out into the world to pass laws to stop personal behavior that only harms the individual practicing the behavior. Non-Christians see this and reject God based on our bad witness, and use of force. We don’t have to give up what we believe, nor keep quiet. We just need to quit using force to control people when it isn’t critical to do so. Legalizing drugs will not curb usage unless it is regulated, and there is no welfare system to fund it, and take away the consequences of doing it. We will never improve the situation with laws, and we will never end the behavior in a fallen world. Galatiansch2vs20 Had a migraine yesterday- sorry to be late in replying. Did Jesus not fulfill the law by living a perfect life? Mercy, lovingkindness, and forgiveness are all talked about in the Old Testament. You said: ‘When Christians seek to use force to manipulate society toward our moral precepts, it has consequences spiritually that are negative toward the cause of saving those who do not know Christ. ‘ To carry your statement to its logical conclusion, you would have to also believe when Christians used government to put laws on the book not to steal and not to kill, it has consequences that are negative toward the cause of saving those who do not know Christ. Please see: Romans 13:1-6 I Peter 2:20 NAS “For what credit is there if, when you sin and are harshly treated, you endure it with patience? But if when you do what is right and suffer for it you patiently endure it, this finds favor with God.” Now you say the distinction you draw is when you cause harm to others or their property. This is what illegal drug use typically leads to. You are not only harming yourself, you could harm others if you get behind the wheel, you harm others when you don’t properly care for and abuse your children, cause medical costs to go up for others by the medical problems incurred with drug use, often steal to support the habit or turn to prostitution and spread sexually transmitted diseases, have abortions, can cause fires while you are not with it enough to realize what you are doing, encourage kids to start doing drugs, etc., etc., etc.. If welfare is not there (and even for some though it is available), you get more homelessness and people living on the streets from those who get addicted to drugs. Not having welfare will not be a sufficient deterrent for those seeking the high, the escape, the ecstasy of drugs. But if someone is seen to be on illegal drugs, I would agree to a law that would prevent them from collecting welfare from the government. Welfare within the church is to provide for the widows and the orphans and if we see a brother in need. If a man is able to work but is lazy, he should not eat. You said, “Behavior regulation through the use of the force of law goes against biblical teaching as well.” This is an utterly false statement. God ordained many laws that had to do with behavior regulation. Your concept of Christian non-interventionism flies in the face of Romans 13:1-6. You said: When non-Christians understand that Christians don’t want to control their lives, they accept them into their lives. Who non-Christians are really rebelling against is God Himself, libertifirst. They who are not chosen of God also would willfully reject their Creator (Romans 1) even if they did not see any Christians who were a poor testimony. You say “Legalizing drugs will not curb usage unless it is regulated” I believe there is supposed to be regulation on medical marijuana, legalized by some states. Yet, I also think with this legalization, that the use of the legalized substance as not decreased, but has instead increased, and I don’t think that all of the people are dying of something painful, such as cancer who use marijuana. (I also don’t agree with legalization by the states for medicinal purposes.) People are required to wear safety belts in the front seat for their own protection. This is a law that when followed, has improved the situation of car accident deaths in our country. I believe that not only for the protection of others, as I mentioned before, but for the protection of our citizens themselves, harmful illegal drugs should remain illegal. “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams (The Works of John Adams, ed. C. F. Adams, Boston: Little, Brown Co., 1851, 4:31) (quote source: http://www.cancertutor.com/Quotes/Quotes_Presidents.html) librtifirst I just wanted to add that the criminality in government is now using our military to protect opium crops in Afghanistan. The opium industry there has increased ten fold. That opium makes its way to its largest market in the Us in the form of heroin. Galatiansch2vs20 Does this mean you are not in favor of legalizing opium in this country, since you are pointing out the criminality in government of using our military to protect it? librtifirst Heroin is one of the most destructive drugs in our society. It can cause addiction with the first use of it. A working society with no welfare system is a more moral society, as the bible teaches that being idle is the devil’s workshop. Those who are addicted to heroin cannot be productive and safe workers. They would not be able to provide for themselves in society. Others who work hard to make a living would not support them. Their addiction to heroin would end before it became a problem for themselves or others. Those who could afford to be heroin addicts would be those who are independently wealthy, and do not have to function on a productive level daily. The rest of society would see the destruction of these people’s lives and reject the behavior based on the outcome. If we have free government drug addiction programs and social welfare, the lessons won’t be learned, and the consequences won’t take hold. Legalizing it, in and of itself is not the answer. Galatiansch2vs20 Legalizing it is not the answer period. And as I mentioned, drug addicts find ways to support their habit (prostitution is an example). If a man does not work, neither let him eat. He who does not provide for his own is worse than an unbeliever. Even wealthy people have to be able to function at some level and there are people who were doing fine financially whose lives were ruined by their choice to start drugs (and likely a lot of them started with marijuana). librtifirst I don’t know that we can bring our opinions together on this issue, but it has been a good conversation. librtifirst Many of us are not going to forget the fraudulent vote on rule changes that took power away from local and state republicans. (at the convention) Galatiansch2vs20 Perhaps it’s time for a Conservative party? librtifirst I am open to that. We need to consider how much organization it takes to get people on ballots. It takes time, money, and a lot of people to get it going. That is why I am looking at established third parties. We don’t have much time left. Galatiansch2vs20 Or what about weeding out the bad apples in the Republican party? librtifirst It appears to me that some of the guys who have been in long enough, and are part of the establishment, are able to defraud the voters through “election” fraud. I have seen some cases where it didn’t seem possible for them to win, but the pulled it out in contradiction will all the polls. Electronic voting, and vote counting, needs to go away. Some of us have been trying that for over twenty years, or longer. No progress yet. Galatiansch2vs20 Vote counting needs to go away? What are you talking about? librtifirst “Electronic vote counting”. I separated the two. Sorry. librtifirst Democrats are no different. Galatiansch2vs20 I think if they stay Democrats with the current platform, ALL the Democrats are bad apples. librtifirst I don’t think any democrat is a potential “good guy”. librtifirst What about a “Christian Conservative” party. Churches could be used to spread the word and organize. Except that they would have to give up their tax exempt status to be involved. Galatiansch2vs20 I think there are some non-believers who are also conservatives. If the candidates make their positions clear & have the track record to back up their claimed positions, that’s what it takes. librtifirst I think that is why RP has so many ardent supporters. People believe him when he says he will do, or not do, something. It is so rare nowadays that those who have that going for them are going to get a lot of support. Just think of how many people would jump ship if Palin went third party. Galatiansch2vs20 I don’t know- probably a number. As for me, I don’t believe a woman was designed by God for the role and stress of being President. librtifirst The bible says that a woman cannot be in authority over a man in the church. This causes some to consider how this translates into society. Why does God say this? I tend to think that God says this because a woman is designed for the purpose of nurturing. She takes things to heart much more than a man does. (generally speaking) God designed men to be more capable of making the hard decisions and sticking with them, and holds him accountable for it in the home. Does this transfer to societal leadership? Galatiansch2vs20 God did make women different than men- both made in His image, but both different. Women are the weaker vessel (I Peter 3:7). Women should nurture their children and train them up in the way they should go- if they are distracted with all the stresses of being President, how much will go neglected with their offspring, how much quality time will be lost in those growing up years? Women tend to be more emotional generally, whereas men are generally wired for logic. Logic is very important for a President. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. I Timothy 2:13-15 I don’t believe a woman should be the Commander and Chief of the armed forces. Being President is tough enough on a man- look at how they age when they are president! And what gender did God pick when Israel rejected Him as their King? librtifirst That is not a popular position, but it is a Christian one. It cannot be denied by Christians when the bible teaches it clearly. (I suppose they can deny it, but…….) Galatiansch2vs20 You’re right, it’s not popular today, but what God says is what counts! Galatiansch2vs20 But then have you no say in who becomes the Republican candidates, in trying to get the most conservative ones? librtifirst My state is so liberal that the pubs don’t have a chance. It sucks. Galatiansch2vs20 They’ll have even less of a chance if more people can’t vote for them anymore! librtifirst I really have to study up on it a bit more to decide. I will make a decision that will yield the best result. If republicans in my state are headed the right direction, I will stick with them. If they continue their fraudulent tactics to keep Tea Party types out, I will not. Even the pubs in Oregon don’t seem to want conservatism to prevail, and the two parties control the rules that shut out anyone else. We’ll see how it goes over the next two years. I have actually been considering running for local office myself, and probably would not switch if I did. Galatiansch2vs20 Wow, I don’t envy you in that idea of running for office! You must have grit! librtifirst I don’t enjoy the thought either. But, hey, someone has to step up. I am considering county commissioner. Someone needs to get in locally on apposing Agenda 21. B-Funk Easily a Romney win. Acted graciously, but didn’t take any crap. Very presidential. opinionatedhermit He didn’t buckle. Keep going forward … opinionatedhermit Jim Leherer is looking better and better …. p m zero’s signing autographs for the plants – crikey. cassandra/kes he did the 47% at the end, was wondering when he would pull that one out…………gads, i need a drink, the bs coming out of bambams mouth…………. RosiesSeeingRed Seriously… he didn’t even bother to talk to citizens. He used his time to zing Romney with the 47% knowing Romney wouldn’t be able to respond. I didn’t think my opinion of him could go lower, but it just did. BlueGood Watch O’Bama go right to the People who asked the questions….FIXED and PLANTED! Brian I do not like any after debate reporters. iHeartLife Debate was a tie in terms of performance. In terms of facts, Romney takes it out. Giuliani was right. Romney is never bad at a debate. He’s good and could have been better. And can be great, but never bad. puma_for_life The line that did it for me is when Obama said that when gas was at $1.82/gal that was a sign of a bad economy..omg, he has no idea how the economy works. He thinks that high gas prices are a sign of a good economy..omg…that is really stupid and scary. stage9 He got the better of Romney because of TIME, nothing more. puma_for_life Why is it that in every single debate, Obama gets more time? PapaLouie It appeared to me that Obama got the last word on the final three questions, so I went through a transcript of the debate to make sure. It turns out I was right. In fact, Obama got the last word on four of the five final questions. That’s a huge advantage because Romney had no chance to respond to Obama’s lies near the end of the debate. Even when Romney had the last response on the fourth-to-last question, he was interrupted by both Obama and Crowley, and he was cut off before he could finish his rebuttal. That was the “terrorism” in Libya question where Crowley interrupted Romney to defend Pres. Obama with false information. Was this an oversight? Or was it planned ahead of time to help Obama? Cecilia A. Russell obama couldn’t answer a question about what he had accomplished, he would simply go off on some tanget without ever answer anything. poljunkie Well, I need a drink. I cant believe the outright lie about Behghazi and calling it a terrorist attack. Now the media is spinning that he said something about terror on the sunday, What? Its not the same AND we all know it. poljunkie On FoxBusiness 68% in their poll, say Romney won. I had the sound off, so I dont know the specifics. Galatiansch2vs20 CBS said they didn’t think it turned the needle much or something. Their poll had Obama up a little over Romney’s percentage, with I think over thirty percent thinking it was a draw. freenca BE AU TI FUL !! Thank you once again Right scoop!! Bringing it to us in truth and honesty, one nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all! Just like our pledge of allegiance, On the backs of our heroic patriots. NJK None of these debates matter. I didn’t watch, because I can’t stand watching that dangerous psychopath. Romney wins in a landslide. It’s going to be a humiliating defeat for Zero. A deserving humiliation, though. NCHokie02 I watched the first half-hour or so then turned on SOA. I got kind of bored with it. I already know who I’m voting for so it didn’t appeal to me as much as I thought it may. Cheryl Fallon Priebus said Obama is a man of many words but not a man of his word…so true. ssenecal5000 It wasn’t a townhall, it was a Candyhall chatterbox365 OMG…someone on Frank Lnutz’ focus group said Obama has been “bullsh*tt’n” the people for the last four years!! LMAO!!!!!!!! Donald Arey III Obama gets a draw. Not only did the emperor have no clothes, he made it extremely evident when he bent over and started talking out of his rear end……and it’s considered a “Draw”. Romney hooked and baited Obama so many times that I started to think that Candy was on Romney’s side, considering some of the questions that got asked. Did anyone else see Romney try to get Obama to bring up the 47% line more than once? Romney mentioned how he cared for 100% of the country right away and (in my opinion it was deliberate) when did Obama bring it up? Right at the end when Romney couldn’t respond. PFFT! That was worse for Obama than the first debate against Romney. Not only did Obama have no answers, but Romney seemed to know what Obama’s excuses were going to be before he made them. Did you hear the audience laugh when Obama said that we didn’t want to go back to the kind of economy when he was elected and gas was a “buck-eightyone or whatever” because that was sign of an economy in free-fall? Lazarus_Returns Romney did Great. If you agree take the CNN Poll in the lower right corner. http://www.cnn.com/ Galatiansch2vs20 Assessment by CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/16/politics/debate-mainbar/index.html Rich Wojcik ROMNY MUST correct that in the next debate and say something like this: ______________________________________ “Candy admitted later that Prezzy did NOT called it a terrorist attack next day, which means BOTH of them WERE LYING.” Brian Jones Thanks Scoop!!!! This is always fun coming here and interacting with the folks! 😀 Rich Wojcik If I were a liberal, my first words would have been about much too much fat in Candy’s brains and “all around, on the right, left ,front, back, and on her face”. But I am not, so I will not say so 😉 However, helping FuBar Ack by giving him extra 10% or so time, “Explaining” to Romney his position, and many more “infractions” shows that she is a liberal hack. Rocco11 I see Obama still has his Muslim ring on… Rich Wojcik News: “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” – Barack Hussein Obama Rich Wojcik who cheats and lies? News: “a top Obama campaign worker gleefully helps an undercover reporter obtain ballots in two states. The reporter identifies herself as an Obama supporter who has illegally registered in Florida and Texas.” Any doubts??? Wolfie Well, having a quick look at the various news sites this morning, I’m not seeing any “comeback kid” or “NObama knock out punch” or any such nonsense. I’m seeing items about how feisty the debate was and how it compared to other debates. So I guess that’s a BIG WIN for Romney! Because if the MSM aren’t cheerleading for NObama this morning, it means he lost, but they won’t admit it. Romney all the way! Can’t wait for the next debate!